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>>2579641Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet vuvuzela
I'm already seeing a army of cia bots and anime profile picturers on social media telling me why killing and raping venezuelans for oil is based actually. You can't make this shit up.
honkoid status?
>>2581439The world is getting burgerfied.
>U.S. officials working on Middle East issues have fumed for months at what they see as Netanyahu's shoot first, ask questions later approach to Syria.
>"Syria doesn't want problems with Israel. This isn't Lebanon," a senior U.S. official said, drawing a distinction between Israel's recent strikes in the two countries. "But Bibi is seeing ghosts everywhere." "We are trying to tell Bibi he has to stop this because if it continues he will self-destruct — miss a huge diplomatic opportunity and turn the new Syrian government to an enemy," the official continued. This isn't the first time such sentiments have bubbled up. After Israel's brazen strikes on Damascus in June, a White House official told Axios: "Bibi acted like a madman. He bombs everything all the time. This could undermine what Trump is trying to do."
where were you when american and israeli interests in the middle east diverged
>>2581470Guess I'm not poor anymore lmao
>>2581480israel doesn't want status quo, they want greater israel. they cannot be controlled by washington if they start gobbling up american allies in the region
>>2581484yeah, it faintly reminds me of how UK kept appeasing Nazi Germany, until the interests diverged. Just like Third Reich was supposed to be the West's cudgel against Bolshevism, Israel was supposed to be the west's cudgel against MENA nationalists. Now the mad dog is off the leash, and the people who brought us to this point through endless enabling cry for a return to the status quo of 1967-2023.
>>2581500we'll see. the US also sends Cuba (insultingly small) checks for Guantanamo bay facility, even though the Cubans want that facility gone. So it might just be a formality.
>>2581465>>2581470He's just saying (and I'm not defending him) that Democrats use the word “affordability” as a political slogan without offering real solutions, which is true, because they are bourgeois, though he and his party is bourgeois also.
He argues (in his own stupid way) the term is empty rhetoric and something Democrats repeat to sound like they care about how high prices and rents are for the workers. Those who like him and will probably interpret him charitably even when he says stupid sounding things like "affordability doesn't mean anything" because they will interpret it as "Democrats use empty rhetoric to pretend they care about high prices"
He is also implying that he inherited extreme inflation and fixed it. Inflation was highest in midterm Biden, so about 8-9% throughout 2022. By the time he was back in office in 2025 it was something like 2.95%:
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/Right now it's 3% as of the latest data I could be bothered to find (September). So pretty much the same as when Biden left office.
>>2581508nobody wants to dress in their sunday best when going through post 2001 airport security
>>2581508Give us more space and actual food on airplanes and I'll consider dressing nicer
>>2581514it's funny how fast we went from "Conservatism is the new punk rock" to "p-please dress nice for aeroplane or i will be very disappointed"
>>2581512>>2581514You WILL get nothing and you WILL be happy. In fact you'll get less and still be happy.
>>2581516Actually you're not even allowed to be happy, because happiness is woke and soy
>>2581508is body armor allowed? i'd like to not feel the agent groping me "for my safety"
wassup in da free world
>>2581475kash is crossdressing now, time to get him out! no woke in my FBI!
>>2581508Maybe make planes that don’t poison people with jet fuel fumes and are held together by shoestring. People might treat it less like a dump.
>>2581543Think of the shareholders
>>2581475I didn’t realize Kash Patel was short
>Stranger Things-KFC discussion
the what
>>2581570it should say "ffucking douche". or perhaps "wwar criminal"
>>2581570>>2581554Hegseth just claimed they've been blowing up submarines off the coast of Venezuela
zohran status?
Trump to speak, making an announcement at any moment
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/happenings>>2581539crazy how every accusation is a confession always turns out to be true
>>2581573He meant to say sub humans
>>2581439Those are rookie numbers.
>>2581572Let’s hope that benefits us a lot more than the Democrats
>>2581567Aren’t they supposed to be teenagers to early 20ish? She looks 40
TRUMP: MADURO CAPTURED ALIVE
>>2581606I hope for pig on pig violence
>>2581605The fuck what did Maduro do. Its not like he personally twarted Guaidos coup attempt via the CIA.
>>2581606the nytimes just ran an article about how somalis defrauded the state for million of dollars during the pandemic
>>2581612smh shoulda defrauded for billions
>>2581612American Lenin is gonna be a Somali immigrant
so apparently the guy who got trump to back the rightist candidate in honduras was an argentinian named fernado cerimedo who has also worked with bolsonaro, milei and the new rightist president of bolivia, rodrigo paz:
https://contracorriente.red/2025/11/27/fernando-cerimedo-el-asesor-tras-el-post-de-trump-que-se-le-adelanto-a-nasralla/this makes me wonder why are rightist latin american lobbyists so prominent now? a coincidence of circumstances?
>>2581629
Most people hate western propaganda in the west though
it's over
maduro just died
it's over
Are the trump funds being promoted to get people to breed?
>>2581647it really is the most honest administration, isn't it?
>>2581475Kash sounds like he is about to cry.
>>2581646Not really, it’s more like pseudo bribe money
>>2581648long live the butcher hitler who works in spite of himself to bring about the world revolution
>>2581641after reading through this description it sounds pretty dumb. I don't see how the parent controlling the account coudn't just withrdraw the money for themselves as soon as their kid turns 18. plus it assumes the stonk market won't ever go down lol
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/12/landmark-dell-gift-supercharges-trump-accounts-for-americas-kids/ >>2581647Ted Cruz just reaffirmed this is about bribing kids to support capitalism because they will own stock in american companies lmao. The Trump Accounts will apparently not actually be cash but investment accounts lmao. So this is both an attempt to dish out socdem treats AND a way to sequester stocks to insulate them from market downturns since you can't sell them until the kid is an adult.
>401k for childrenlol
lmfao
>>2581657>401k for childrenthat's exactly what it is. seems like there are a whole bunch of fees and penalties for withdrawing the money early too
>>2581657What a great idea.
>WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration said Tuesday that it will move to withhold SNAP food aid from recipients in most Democratic-controlled states starting next week unless they provide information on those receiving the assistance.
speedrunning the national divorce
>>2581671>speedrunning the national divorceI hope it does, but Trump would probably just use it as an excuse to nuke blue state cities he doesn't like because he's a jealous bitch.
>>2581673If it escalates that hard, he won’t even get the chance to hit the button.
>>2581372holy shit that video is insane
I'm from uruguay and I say kill them all
Banks r fucked
>>2581657>Making even the children guilty of imperialismmy god…. leninhatsisters…..
>>2581719who's that woman who looks like a demon
>>2581721Susan Dell, wife of Michael Dell, who's to her right. The CEO of Dell, the computer company.
nobody can escape direct financial connection to Venezuelan children being shelled, even kids.
we did it anons
no more wealth gap in the US
>>2581719Is it a good or a bad thing that the white house is so desperate that its giving kids their own 401k in an attempt to appease them and not want to see the system destroyed
>>2581734It's a not going to work thing because it only starts with people who are 10 so millennials and gen z are not getting shit and those are the people they need to worry about.
yang gang won but only for kids? this is BULLSHIT
LABU LABU LABUBU
LABU LABUBU
LABUBULABLALABUBU
>>2581748the war in drugs: part 2
hey guys I know I just pardoned a drug trafficker, but this massive build up of naval and air assets in the Caribbean and these land strikes against Venezuela is definitely because of drug trafficking
>>2581748>we know where they live, we know where the bad ones livehe's just openly saying he's going to kill Venezuelan govt. officials in their home and not even bother to plant cocaine on their charred bodies
>>2581776>knowthis shit was obvious 20 years. As soon as the Bolivarian revolution happened and America became dependent on proxy wars to preserve some form of competitiveness with CHINAH and the BRICS bloc this was inevitable.
Maduro: "They can't say I have weapons of mass destruction, nobody would believe it. So they invent Hollywood stories where I'm the villain and they're the heroes, sending tall, blond guys to hunt down the Latino villain.
But people know the truth: the real villain is the one who writes the script."
>>2581783no fucking way is that real
"Neoliberalism" is such an outdated 1975 term. This form of capitalism should be referred to as Retardoliberalism.
*disco elysium music starts playing*
>>2581793But there's so much they haven't finished hollowing out yet! They need to finish privatizing education. They haven't even started calling federal credit unions a chinese plot yet!
3 more years of this administration, btw
>>2581782BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
>>2581811not happening unless something utterly catastrophic happens
>>2581532>>2581532Now you admit your true alignment by posting anti-Lenin imperialism apologists. Michael roberts is fake marxist who defies Lenin. You and all other imperialists say imperialism does not help american snakes despite fact their lives are founded and sustained by enslavement of billions and genocide. This is factually disproven by real wage data. You are imperialist. You are fascist.
To say the roman plebian does not benefit from roman imperialism is scientifically wrong and materially unfounded upon basic historical inquiry. The plebian, like amerikkkan, only struggle is to fill their own mouth with stolen bread. The plebian is exploiter and oppressor. The plebian struggle, like american struggle, is thousands of years of demanding free stolen bread and free stolen land.
>>2581819genuinely where the
fuck did this supposed 25% increase in wages go
how is it at 77.5k when the median wage wasn't even close to that
what the fuck is that measuring
so the invasion is a go? the USA is effectively at war?
>>2581836Third worldists really are just edgy radlibs
>>2581838ikr they should just stfu. get invaded bitch lmao. genocide ur whole nation watchu gon do about it.
>>2581839… i've noticed people try to prove each other right when fighting instead of prove each other wrong… is this the nature of escalation?
>>2581839Lmao what a reaction
>>2581839Thank you for your deeply gross and repulsive reply.
fragile turdies lol
where my firsties at
>>2581849idk you kinda make me want to joint the "turdies"
>>2581849Fuck off, cunt. You don’t speak for us.
Are you a TWist pretending to be one of us to try and cause trouble?
>>2581839>>2581849wait…. post wall socket….
>>2581849kill yourself you rule 14 violating cunt
>>2581865Nah, fuck that. What, we wanna jerk ourselves off trolling forever and never saying a single thing of substance?
>>2581874so people universally agreed to be labor aristocracy
>>2581736so they're trying to make the gen alphas more reactionary than their millennial parents.
>>2581873truth nuke
>>2581877I'm stupid, I misread your question as where did this increase in wages come from, and I was speculating that possibly only people with already high salaries saw significant real wage increase, since high salaries are sometimes included in misleading American "real wage" statistics
>>2581881
Didn't say they didn't.
>>2581881
Yeah no kidding. Lawyers make a lot but rack up like 60 billable hours a week. Fuck that lifestyle
fellow americans, how does it feel knowing that both parties which claim to "represent" you are war mongering psychopaths with bunkers in new zealand who have used your tax dollars making the whole world hate you and thirst for your destruction? They will fuck off on permanent vacation while you are left to pay for their crimes unless you do something about it.
>>2581734If this is the best idea they can come up with to solve our biggest issues then long-term the current economic framework is fucked. Children being born today will likely never see the benefits of it lol. The market just needs to crash once
>>2581889>They will fuck off on permanent vacationand leave the levers of power unoccupied? we would surely welcome that. We're not paying any foreign debts btw
>>2581894>We're not paying any foreign debts btwthe whole world will come knocking then
>>2581895this country is invasion proof, send some debt collectors and see for yourself
>>2581873
>prolly it'll be another redlining policy, which will accentuate the income gaps between the already rich kids and the poor.
Correct.
Humorously they stated that the policy would be for families in neighborhoods with median income under 150k a year. So like
>segregated by neighborhood ✔
>means tested ✔
>inclusive of the high end of families ✔
and of course
>additional contributions (max 5k a month) are subject to discretionary stock distribution by the corporations ✔
This is how they're reinventing white neighborhoods with special privileges.
>>2581889You also forgot to say they’re apart of international pedophile cabals
>>2581914no they're not apart. they are a part of international pedophile cabals.
>>2581899>This country is invasion proof<THEY'RE SENDING MIGRANTS IN WAVE AFTER WAVE OF INVASIONpick a narrative, americans
>>2581919pick a narrative, goombas
>>2581924
>butthurt white burger TWist
God, trolls are such boring people
>>2581932
You have to be 18 to post here
>>2581937
Are you serious right now?
You know what, I'm gonna return to something folks talked about over the summer.
Does anyone wanna just make a community with better moderation somewhere else? This place has gone to shit, and trolls basically face zero consequences.
This thread is one of the worst offenders, it's a magnet for the most immature posters on the site.
>>2581736If anything this is going to make Zoomers and Millenials even more pissed off at porky.
>>2581945is it based then?
>>2581930Honestly Trump is pretty based for alienating all of the basic pillars of political power
>>2581930good god lmao
It was bad enough when Kegsbreath was calling the military personnel names but now they're simultaneously threatening them if they don't follow illegal orders and throwing them under the bus if they do. Doing damned if you do, damned if you don't
for your military is like world historic fumbling of imperial power.
>>2581826The vulgar egalitarianism you exude is most ancient, utopian form of liberalism. Communism is not vulgar egalitarianism. The snakes bemoan their own inequality because they want to equalize distribution of super-profit. The Great Satan Is The Logical Conclusion of Imperialism, so of course inequality is highest in Great Satan. The line of vulgar equality is imperialist.
>>2581834That infographic is mean. Despite your efforts, imperialist median wage data further validates Lenin Theory. Your protests prove you faithful plebian to the empire. The median snake has indeed pilfered the blood of workers and peasants. You cannot deny the evidence of your crimes.
>>2581970…Are you actually arguing that averages should be taken over median?
>>2582027
>MIGAtards are guaranteed to pump all their money into.
They’re already going broke
>>2582027
he is so desperate to make it seem like hes doing anything
>>2581962>>2581968burger military coup status?
>>2582001You only confuse yourself with vulgar, bourgeois means and medians. Mean or median, there is no difference. The median wage is the imperialist spoils enjoyed by labor aristocrat
>>2581968don't get your hopes up. the trump admin regularly fucks everyone over in various branches of the government and people always expect that this time people will have some dignity and self respect and stand up but they always take it like a bitch. it will happen with the military as well
>>2581970how about you just fuck off and die you insipid retard
>>2582050>Mean or median, there is no difference.Bro, we all know education in the States is bad so you probably can't be entirely blamed for not learning the difference before. But you should take the time to try learn it now instead of wrongly doubling down.
>>2581930fingers crossed they kill all their good will with the "warrior class"
Daily reminder that MTWs are just spoiled trust fund kids who assume that everyone else in the first world are also spoiled trust fund kids and that's why they find it so difficult to believe that there exists an actual proletariat in the developed world. I have yet to meet or encounter a single one that does not fit this description.
>>2582054You asked me questions. You recieved facts and data. Your needs for treats blinds you and makes you a rabid dog of your empire.
>>2582060You fail to see the facts: mean or median, the labor aristocrat recieves more and more treats over time thanks to imperialism. This is proven by the real wage data
>>2582063Lenin was trust fund kid. You are anti-Communist who defies Lenin Theory
>>2582065Lenin also routinely talked to working class people, something you have never done in your life.
>>2582063turds want you to believe that everything wrong in the world is because of white people. literally nothing bad about their countries is because of anyone but themselves lmao. like just get good at capitalism?
(Reactionary) >>2582063Daily reminder that if you're not an internationalist you're objectively not a Communist and never will be. Marx and Lenin are clear on that regard. None of you first worldists will ever be communists and the only way Communism can ever emerge in the west is if everyone with your mindset and ideology is ruthlessly purged.
>>2582064>This is proven by the real wage dataDoesn't account for inflation or increased cost of living
>>2582027
how are chuds at /pol/ reacting to this?
>>2582067It really is all projection with you burgoids lmao, Wypipo dis wypipo dat. The self-victimization complex you people have would only be more hilarious if you were actually being genocided, but instead all you can do is project your evil and wickedness onto others. Everything you people have done to the third-world for the past centuries is coming to haunt you, all actions have their equal and opposite reaction burgoid. Death to Amerikkka and its vassal states.
>>2581783#rapepetehegseth
>>2581930Trump uploaded this to his social media.
So many weird things….
>>2582066I've spoken to countless american workers. They are generally fascist. They are a bourgeois people, the most bourgeois people. They voted for trump. They are all exploiters and oppressors, as lenin said. They are the most reactionary people in history and as such, as Engels once said, must be eradicated for Communism.
>>2582080Can you even give a non-liberal definition of fascism?
>>2582067You spammed the same meme four times after you got called out. I think anon has you clocked
>>2582076You are a burger
>>2582067imagine being so mad you have to keep false flagging over and over
>>2582064You don’t even understand your own data and can’t distinguish between mean and median.
Just posting a graph and screaming “this is proletarian science” is vapid
>>258209
The tor node was a mistake
Legit haven't touched a computer all day. Up at 9am, out the door by 10am. Selling by Noon. Hour of prep. Last call on the grill? Midnight. It's 1am before I'm getting in. Under the table kitchen work. Getting in where I can fit in. $45 cash for this, its all based on sales.
>>2582103Why are you blogging in the USApol thread
>>2582093In a sense he is right. No nation decided to move global manufacturing to China though. Capitalism made the choice for them.
>>2582103bruh you'd make more at a grocery store or something, good god
vuvuzela status?
>>2582093>It was all done to us by the Chinese.Well, the rest of the world won't buy this cope, especially not when the American government, military, bourgeoisie, petty bourgeoisie, cops, and MIC "workers" are all in an unholy alliance to commit war crimes against the whole planet in a sad desperate effort to maintain your hegemony. Nobody buys this revisionism that outsourcing wasn't 50-60 years of deliberate economic policy.
Did the Chinese also force us at gunpoint to make all our awful foreign policy decisions too? Are we a "COG" now?
>>2582103Why are you doing that for 45 a day when you could make more at a real job not underground under the table shit.
>>2582111>The rest of the world won't buy this copeThat is exactly it. There's nothing the west can do anymore but be dragged like a whining toddler into the future of socialism. It won't be a war. It'll be a stoic influence that requires participation.
>>2582114Houdini unironically reminds me of my dad, who is probably undiagnosed autistic. He was a white guy doing day labor with 20 year old hispanics in his 50s despite having a master's degree in accounting, and I quote, "because I'm afraid I'll go to jail if I make a mistake in accounting."
>>2582117Your dad sounds way cooler
>>2582120he's destroying his body when he doesn't need to and making shit money for it. He also never goes to the doctor. I worry about him. Like most people in the world don't have the privilege to live in a 1st world country and have a master's degree and he doesn't even use it. I don't get it. He's borrowed money from me before and I'm way less educated.
>>2582117He should be more worried about getting scooped up in an ICE raid.
>>2582127Sheesh
>>2582126Yeah we mentioned that to him once.
>>2582139Wrong. No Marxist will forget that capitalism is progressive compared with feudalism, and that imperialism is progressive compared with pre-monopoly capitalism. The reactionary Venezuelans must die.
>>2582145>>2582139Mods, rape these falsifiers now, thank you.
>>2581530
> You say The Great Satan WAS temporarily so fat and imperialist that the snakes don't even do general strikes
The U.S. is at its LIMIT
>>2582062>warrior classWhats that?
>>2582139>Dodges the question.>Talks about imperialism instead.Again, how do you define fascism?
America is not fascist, okay?
>>2582150It's the new class Pete Hegseth invented while out binge drinking.
>>2582114At this point it's a mild humiliation fetish combined with a savior complex
>>2582117>>2582125my dad, who is undiagnosed bipolar, also does physical labour even though he's skilled in so many ways physically, he could get a good job utilising any of them, like doing light carpentry or a handyman or something. Properly drives me insane to see him destroy himself for capital.
>>2582117>>2582169Materialist explanation for your dads behaviour?
>>2582117>>2582169You guys should pressure your dads into getting better jobs then yeah?
>>2582171I don't know but my dad also had a degree in accounting and also did construction and masonry work like my grandfather.
>>2582180Why do they invoke Hitler? Why?
>>2582117>>2582125Your dad kind of sounds like me except I'm not skilled in any manual labor. I've mostly held labor intensive or low wage jobs despite having a bachelors degree. I now work as a school night custodian but I haven't told most of my coworkers about my degree which is in history. I don't have any kids though don't plan on having any ever.
>>2582171>Materialist explanation for your dads behaviour?literally just mental illness, i think, his job gives him the flexibility to act in ways others couldn't.
>>2582173spent my youth trying, he's an old man and he's not going to change.
>>2582182because the phrase "social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism" dates to weimar Germany, the death of rosa luxemberg, the rise of fascism, etc.? It's in the historical context of the phrase itself. What kind of answer did you want to this?
>>2582180The cpusa is a fascist party that has never armed a single worker. Social fascists, like that demented one, always blame Communists, not the social fascists, for rise of fascists. They take Dimitrov Report which calls for temporary tactical alliance with social fascists (which can only exist under very peculiar conditions) to arm workers against fascists. That is why they are revisionists who cannot be Communists.
Joe Simms thinks he is applying Dimitrov United Front. Joe Simms hasnt armed single worker. That is why we say Joe Simms and all who follow him are liquidationist dick riders. They just want to ride social fascist dick eternally and call that a united front
>>2582182The CPUSA literally said that ww2 and the rise of Hitler was actually Rosa fault for not working with Ebert. This is total revisionism. This is fascist line par excellence
>>2582180>>2582184both can be true
if they were honest they could just come out and say "we think the best strategy right here and right now is to be the left wing of fascism" and most people here would agree
>>2582245>>2582194Put your trip back on felix
>>2582263
Yeah, it's called Marxism
>>2582180HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA
>>2582079>Biden asked Maduro to send drug gangs into the U.S.!Yknow it amazes me how much reach just completely infantile propaganda has. Like “drug dealers will give drugs to kindergarteners cause they just love being bad” kind of thinking. Biden asked Maduro to send gangs into the U.S. cause he just loves crime?
>>2582298>>2582079Biden no, knowing the CIA someone in his administration and them probably did, I believe it.
>>2582180Objectively correct analysis, but it commits the “sin” of pushing against a meme within left wing circles so it’ll be met with the gnashing of teeth and howls.
If one of your primary concerns is social democracy at the present moment you’re substituting actual analysis for dogmatic phrase mongering.
>>2582180social democracy will fail which is why its important to be given a chance to
>>2582180This some bullshit only the nerds on here would care about. Lot Americans are just completely devoid of historical understanding or context, especially communist history. They would be better servers ignoring those punching from the left and pushing forward a plan of action. The people punching from the left should continue to do so in till they can grow in numbers.
>>2582324I mean beyond even that, Lenin repeatedly pushed back against phrase mongering as a substitute for sober analysis of material conditions and planning. Just relying on one Stalin quote about “the left wing of fascism” as some eternal truth everywhere for all time (while this board also funnily enough loves social democrats in the global south) is literally that exact kind of phrase mongering and it’s how you get jokes like the Austin Red Guards disrupting DSA meetings.
>As Trump loyalists weigh in on Western culture wars, they sound ever less willing to help allies deter an actual war with Russia. A second official from Europe relates Washington meetings in which MAGA types lay out their reasoning. European governments of the centre-left and centre-right are accused of destroying Western civilisation by allowing mass migration, betraying traditional social values and censoring conservative speech. Those governments are further charged with surrendering their sovereignty to the EU, an organisation that Mr Trump says was created “to screw” America, as MAGA loyalists point out. Meeting after meeting ends with the same conclusion: Europe is an enemy that does not deserve to be defended by America.
EU bros its over
>>2582332they're just intellectually lazy. why think or do any sort of critical analysis whatsoever when you can just parrot ideologically comforting slogans from a hundred years ago
Nearly four in ten in the Current GOP (37%) believe the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated or did not happen as historians describe. Younger men are especially likely to hold this view (54% of men under 50 vs. 39% of women under 50). Among men over 50, 41% agree, compared with 18% of women over 50. Racial divides are particularly striking:
>77% of Hispanic GOP voters
>30% of white GOP voters
>66% of black GOP voters
>>2582341What’s especially frustrating is that what
should give Leninism an advantage over Fascism is actually sober and rational analysis. Fascists go with their gut and Leninists should work with their head.
But the actual reality is that many self-proclaimed “Marxist-Leninists” adopt the ideology only in terms of phrases, as a set of words to invoke without understanding. It’s like how I heard from my mom and my grandparents how people would repeat the old mantras in Latin Mass but no one
actually knew what they were saying.
Without actually making an effort to use analysis or understand Lenin, then in some ways this vulgarized Marxism-Leninism becomes a bizarro version of Fascism. But where Fascists invoke ghosts and phrases that at least have root in the masses already (as nationalism is something people are often immersed in) this vulgar MLism invokes ghosts and phrases that only affect others already on the left.
>>2582180>>2582321Holy shit! Iron felix was right about you!
>>2582357CPUSA anon and iron felix work together, actually.
>>2582357No matter what supposed ideological transformation one undergoes, the American Protestant habit of basing ones’ belief on quotes divorced from context and stripped of content remains.
>”The world wasn’t actually made in 7 days!”<“Heretic!” >>2582354not reading this Xslop
>>2581918
>Since the outset of the cold war, the US government has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on infrastructure and processes designed to ensure that the sitting president and other political and military leaders would survive a nuclear war, and be able to govern in its aftermath. As Garrett M. Graff documents in his new book, Raven Rock: The Story of the U.S. Government’s Secret Plan to Save Itself–While the Rest of Us Die, these plans have largely been kept a secret.
>As Graff argues, the secrecy of such policies for “continuity of government” has obscured questions not only about their effectiveness, but also about their legal, constitutional, and moral legitimacy. Raven Rock, the first comprehensive history of these mysterious plans, is both a lively story with vivid details of secret bunkers, and a thoughtful analysis of how bureaucratic plans for the apocalypse illuminate the relationship between government, industry, and the American public.
>>2582354I wouldn’t envy someone who had to argue that Ezra Klein doesn’t believe that. The leading lights of the Democratic Party and the “liberal establishment” have been spending the election and trumps term attacking its activist/pro-immigrant constituency and their meek to non-existent opposition to ICE directly attacking their cities/communities and voter base means Will is not just right, but actually late.
>>2582332you are Agent Kochinski tier
>>2582247he's never used a tripcode to my knowledge, just a name without a tripcode
>>2582385fuck tripcodes, I'm gonna start PGP signing all of my posts
>>2582382Phrase-Mongering.
>The Knesset overwhelmingly approved my proposal to endorse and adopt President Trump’s 20 point plan on Gaza with a vote of 39 in favor and 0 against.
>Israel now officially endorses and adopts President Trump’s plan.the entire Netanyahu coalition walked out and boycotted the vote btw
https://xcancel.com/yairlapid/status/1996209783637156221 >>2582395Lie. As an autopen expert who has dome many autopens, This is autopen.
>>2582347<The holocaust was real<the holocaust was real but commies did holodomor<the holocaust is exaggerated and commies killed way more<you are here<the holocaust didn't happen at all and neither did any capitalist crimes, only commie crimes are real<everything we're doing to you right now is a fake AI hoax, and all fake AI hoaxes we make are the truthyeah this country is gearing up to do it again so of course they have to start denying in advance.
inb4 some groyper crawls out of the woodwork to say
>le zog therefore there's no way america would do another holohoaxjews weren't the only victims of the holocaust you fuckin idiotas
>77% of hispanic GOP votersnaztec meme is real especially since we have so many anticommunist diasporas from south america.
>>2582405>jews weren't the only victims of the holocaust you fuckin idiotasCool it with the antisemetic remarks.
>>2582405You are doing structural antisemitism.
>>2582357Whoops typo delete the "ron Felix"
>>2582409>>2582412yeah yeah yeah say something NOT smug/smarmy/snarky/retarded for once while all of society around us becomes more revisionist and reactionary at the worst possible moment
>>2582415What reading ultroid bordiggers does to a mf. You read The Grear Alibi, didnt you? That's holocoast denial.
>>2582418>bordiggers the reactionary imageboard tendency to turn every word into a racial slur while simultaneously trolling you in bad faith about some supposed holocaust denial that's allegedly going on in a post that is lamenting the genuine article
>>2581514I'll be happy with more space. I don't want to fly for more than 3 hours at a time because of the sardine can planes are.
>>2582425Neolib Lies_
>You don't actually want full employment, then we won't be able to bring in scabs when you unionize whoops i mean you won't be able to quit your job and find a new one
>You don't actually want universal healthcare because then all the middlemen working in all the competing insurance companies would have to either get new jobs or work in the nationalized health care system umm i mean it's a treat you get by killing people or something.
>You don't actually want an end to imperialism because then the world would be a less hellish place oof i mean actually your life would get way worse and you would get lynched by glorious JDPON or something
>You don't actually want low prices because then you would be able to save more money oopsie i mean you would have a crisis of overproduction which can only be dealt with properly by abolishing the mode of production did i say that i mean destroying surplus commodities instead of selling them, until demand goes back up. Revolution status?
>>2581520true, feeling any emotion other than the smug stoic sociopathy of the sigma male is woke and soy
>>2582430I have some cringy pictures from when I was a baby where I'm smiling. I wonder if my mom fed me soy milk.
>>2582074>Doesn't account for inflation or increased cost of livingtbf the graph in
>>2581819 is adjusted for purchasing power and inflation. So even taking the relative purchasing power into account, this says a pretty clear story.
>>2582180>dude if the SPD and KPD worked together Hitler wouldn't win the electionspure idealism
>>2582457yeah it IS pure idealism because hitler didn't win any election, he was appointed chancellor by Hindenberg
>>2582425Yknow I’ll say this, it seems like Bezos has some restraint in his PR. Maybe it’s cause he isn’t trying to do the Silicon Valley thing of portraying himself as a genius.
Like Thiel is going on rants about the antichrist and publicly boosting a bunch of Dracula-looking dudes. Musk is posting free kekistan in 2025. Bezos just kind of lets himself disappear into the background.
>>2582180trvke and if you disagree you are a delusional accelerationist who just wants nuclear war because youre suicidal
>>2582468Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t Hitler/NSDAP in a parliamentary coalition with the German Right and so a joint SPD/KPD electoral alliance could’ve prevented him from even being appointed?
Social Democracy is dead anyway. It died in the 70's. Any and all revolutionary ideals within Social Democracy are dead. Because Social Democrats are slaves to the financial sector, where they get their budgets. So when neoliberalism overtook the previous mutation of capialism, SocDems simply became the left wing of neoliberalism. They don't even believe in reforming the bourgeois state anymore. They can never associate with communists.
>>2582479People just really don't like the word communist
>>2582495It's also the highest concentration of people
>White House officials told Zeteo that the Trump administration uses popular music in its videos, including "vocally anti-Trump performing artists, in order to trigger a negative response from a famous liberal and provide further amplification of their pervasive culture war."
>“We do it on purpose,” one White House official told the outlet.
>>2582506
Semyon Budyony recounts a similar incident in his autobiography. The Cavalry Army received Trotsky as a speaker. This was maybe 1918. He begins talking about communism and gets booed, weapons are drawn. Budyony steps in and explains that the Bolsheviks and communists are the same to thunderous applause and cheers. Trotsky shits his pants and then complains to Lenin that the Cavalry army are LITERALLY COSSACKS
>>2582495So it looks like California,Texas and Florida are gaining jobs maybe? The Midwest as well so possibly the Chicago area?
>>2582321This is embarrassing
>>2582487You are ultra sectarian. You just want to keep us poor americans from healthcare. Social democracy is the only way we get free treats and free healthcare.
>>2582505i said way back in 2015 that trump would win because the media couldn't help but amplify him nonstop with their civility fetishism. for them, trump being rude and using mean language was more newsworthy than obama double tapping weddings. That's the open secret of this empire. To get billions of dollars of free attention all you need to do is say taboo things out loud, even if you're not
doing anything bad. That's why you Chuck Schumer wasting your taxpayer dollars to cry about Fuentes, giving him free attention in the process.
>>2582515yeah Californias doing good but I'm guessing Texas is west south central, so breaking even, and florida is south Atlantic so they're among the heaviest hit
>>2582475>JUST VOTE TO STOP HITLERA united Front is not voting. You really are a fascist. Answer these questions: Werent social drmocrats killing Communists in the streets by hundreds and thousands during this period? Didnt the social fascists collaborate with the fascists in every way throughout this period? Should rosa have worked with ebert, you fool
>>2582495Source? I thought they were censoring this info now. Also it's interesting how this country is so huge they can always just move or redistribute the misery, in order to tamp down revolutionary (or, at the very least, riotous) sentiments
>>2582519One has to wonder if it goes both ways. Hasan Piker is an open socialist and says inflammatory (by their standards) things all of the time, and hte media gobbles it up.
>>2582495>>2582497>>2582498The Mid-Atlantic region, particularly Northern Virginia, is also where most of the AI stuff is concentrated. There's a couple of counties in NOVA that are home to like 70% of the country's data centers and most of its internet traffic
>>2582526Yeah, and they are gobbling power up from surrounding states all the way up to New Jersey
>>2582510I wonder how felix squares his constant quoting of Lenin to say Americans are beyond any use to the left when the red army had divisions of cavalry made of an heritary military caste that was bribed into loyalty by the russian empire with stolen land from Eurasia ethnic groups, but since they had a skill the bolshies needed and were willing to join the red army they were used,
Comrade felix how do you square the circle
>>2582530He's already on record as saying that he considers Kolchak objectively to the left of the DSA and CPUSA on account of the Russian Empire being exponentially less "evil" than the United States. There's no squaring circles with a man who denies shapes exist.
>>2582475You’re right that Hitler became chancellor through a right-wing coalition deal, and you’re also right that the split between the SPD and KPD helped make that possible, but it's not exactly a complete picture of events to say that a joint SPD/KPD electoral alliance could’ve prevented him from even being appointed chancellor by Hindenberg. Hitler did not win a majority. The NSDAP was the largest party, but even after the November 1932 election it lost seats. His appointment as chancellor happened because "regular" conservatives thought they could “use” Hitler. Hitler was chancellor, but conservatives held most cabinet positions (initially only a few nazis in the cabinet). They underestimated him. But the reason the alliance was politically impossible was because the KPD considered the SPD social fascists, so the alliance would never have happened anyway. The SPD and KPD hated each other due to the 1919 revolution. The SPD leadership used the army and Freikorps to crush the Spartacist uprising, killing KPD founders Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht. That memory poisoned relations for the next 15 years. To many in the KPD, the SPD were traitors who murdered revolutionaries. To many in the SPD, the KPD were “Bolsheviks” who wanted to "destroy democracy." This trauma made reconciliation nearly impossible. The comintern saw the SPD as a greater threat, because they were reformists who would prevent German revolution. The NSDAP was therefore seen as a greater accelerator towards German revolution. So I think the SPD made the initial social fascist mistakes in 1919 that prevented reconciliation, but the KPD made accelerationist ideological mistakes that were passed down as wisdom from the Comintern, i.e. "After Hitler, Us." This is especially tragic in light of things like the CPSU seeking an anti-fascist alliance with bourgeois liberals (despite them being even more reactionary than the SPD) and getting rebuffed, while at the same time the CPSU thought it necessary for realpolitik reasons to do the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, since it would buy them time to move their factories East, out of the reach of the luftwaffe. So many things were happening at once in the 1930s that nobody really found a consistent line. You had the comintern calling the SPD social fascists while simultaneously trying to build an anti-fascist alliance with bourgeois liberals, who were all secretly or openly hoping that the nazis would destroy the USSR, and the KPD and SPD refusing to reconcile because of the SPD's betrayal of the working class in 1919. It was the perfect storm. The CPSU was stupid for thinking Hitler wouldn't betray the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, the KPD/SPD couldn't reconcile because of 1919, and the Comintern was pushing a line of "no collaborating with social fascists" even while trying to collaborate with bourgeois liberals who were more reactionary. Make sense?
TL;DR
>The KPD would never collaborate with the SPD because the SPD crushed the Spartacists>The SPD would never collaborate with the KPD because the KPD tried to overthrow SPD-led governments>the CPSU-led comintern said no collaborating with social fascists despite trying and failing to form an anti-fascist alliance with bourgeois liberals who were even more reactionary than the SPD>the bourgeois liberals secretly wanted Hitler to destroy the USSR, and waited until it was far too late to form an anti-fascist alliance with the USSR>the CPSU used the M-R pact as realpolitik to buy time, but Hitler betrayed it anyway and started Operation Barbarossa. >>2582425You want deflation like in COMMUNIST CHOYNAH?! THAT'S BAD FOR YOU, WESTERN PROLE!!!
>>2582180>the split was a tragedy (not the actions of anti-proletarian classes who collaborate with finance imperialist bourgeoisie)Zero historical materialism and class consciousness, the CPUSA are radical liberals
>>2582321>Objectively correct analysis, but it commits the sin of<"to paraphrase Marx"You soyfaced at this tweet because you are also an idealist radlib who completely rejects Marxist historical materialism and class consciousness. At no point in his smug gamerchair boomer scolding about "Marxism is a religious cult" (the Jeffrey Epstein PMC social democrats who write for The Atlantic agree!) has CPUSAnon ever mentioned class war.
>>2582321>If one of your primary concerns is social democracy at the present moment you’re substituting actual analysis for dogmatic phrase mongering.Actually Existing Social Democrats who have all the counter-cultural hegemony right now:
<"Graham Platner is a committed anti-fascist"Socialists will never escape the accusations that they are agents of finance imperialism lol. There's a reason why the "Abundance" Zionist psyop from housing developers has so little resistance, the social democrat Zohran and the fascist Trump literally agree, they agree on more things than leftists would like to publicly admit
>>2582541>the social democrat Zohran and the fascist Trump literally agreewait, many on leftypol told me you're a hysterical radlib if you call trump fascist, and that he's actually based retard JDPON Don destroying the imperial core through incompetence.
>>2582050>Mean or median, there is no difference.$50,000
and
$50,000,000,000
are basically the same number, fuck the labor aristocracy, all my homies hate people with multiple zeroes in their annual income
>>2582530>>2582541Comrade felix could you answer my question about the cossasks in the red army
if this isn't felix i apologize for confusing him and you as you both sound similarly deranged >>2582544>be mexican construction worker >make like 10,000 pesos over a few monthsNow an evil labor aristocrat
>>2582551I needed a little reminder of what an evil bitch this celebrated war criminal is.
>>2582551She seems to be saying Israel shouldn't take US support for granted, and that both the US "right" and the US "left" (a 250 year old ideological framework that is rapidly breaking down) are getting sick of Israel, even if Israel is ultimately just acting like America Jr. in MENA.
>>2582551actual insanity. ultimately though she's right, the anti-israel sentiment is something the left and the right both agree on. there's no coming back from this unless israel abandons zionism completely
>>2582557Israel might be able to exist in a weaker position with out us support, they still have their own weapons industry and nukes and what not
But a weaker is Israel. Is a better Israel
not as good as a destroyed israel >>2582557>there's no coming back from this unless israel abandons zionismisrael existing IS zionism. so really you are saying "there is no coming back from this unless israel is destroyed." That being said, I suspect that many of the "anti-zionists" in America would rapidly demobilize if there were another "two state solution" that kicks the can down the road, or if it the "extreme" zionists of the likud party and kahanist faction within it were replaced with softer and more "liberal" zionists with slightly less reactionary ambitions.
>>2582558I think about those things also I just needed some fresh things to hate that bloodthirsty cunt for.
>>2582561a one state solution with equal rights for jews and palestinians would destroy zionism just as equal rights for jews and germans would have destroyed nazism
>>2582567>equal rights for jews and germans would have destroyed nazism>germans and jewsFirst of all, Germans jews were Germans.
Second of all, Aryans and Jews already had equal rights under the law, in Weimar Germany, when Nazis took power, even if there were discriminatory attitudes towards Jews, they weren't legally barred from anything. Emancipation of Jews in Europe had been a political project starting with Cromwell in England, and carried out by the subsequent liberal revolutions, which was mostly complete by the time of Nazi ascension to power. Nazis were actually a reaction to this state of affairs.
>>2582569rare anime pfp w
>>2582567Look I'll soft ball some things from time to time, agree on compromise and reformist/incrementalist positions for this or that etc
But Israel is different lol. Whatever gets the Palestinians some reprieve from violence in the moment is good. But the push to abolish the Israeli state in its entirety is really the only possible solution to something this grotesque. It's not even about Justice, it's about the direct material and social consequences. The only way to stop the fighting and get people back to living normal lives is the total abolition of Israel. Some scars run too deep
>>25824791. What is the source of the text?
2. lol at this alleged antisemitic exchange between two red army soldiers, who were apparently unaware that commander Trotsky was jewish, as well as other prominent bolsheviks like Yakov Sverdlov.
>>2582571you're right but i was talking moreso about the situation post-1933
>>2582577right, I'm just saying the situation post 1933 was not going to re-establish the status quo of equal rights which had existed in weimar germany, since it was a result of the breakdown of those conditions in the first place. It's like trying to take auygh out of the frying pan and put it back in its shell.
>>2582579an
space egg for some reason gets filtered as "auygh". Mods please fix this already
>>2582575zionism is rooted so deeply in israel that i think such a state demolition would be inevitable with a one state solution. at the same time though there are seven million jewish people there you're gonna have to deal with and give representation to eventually
>>2582579ok sure. but was there ever a status quo of equal rights in palestine? they've never been their own sovereign nation
>>2582541>the social democrat Zohran and the fascist Trump literally agree, they agree on more things than leftists would like to publicly admitCompletely hyperbolic phrase mongering with zero analysis.
>>2582569They REALLY aren't beating the "everyone is twelve" allegations. What's next, they're going to make some dirty playground rhymes about Barney the Dinosaur killing immigrants? Sure they will, they're twelve years old. Are they going to draw Dora the Explorer getting arrested by ICE? Of course they will, they're twelve, that's what twelve year olds do.
>>2582530The difference is that amerikkkan fascists are not joining a red army, so this post is worthless apologia for fascism and imperialism
>>2582530>since they had a skill the bolshies needed and were willing to join the red army they were usedthey were purged later, no?
>>2582589because there isn't one to join yet
>>2582587You so goddamn stupid, boy. Ziohran just went and rode trumps dick and that prompted your fascist Party to make this disgusting cope
>>2582180<New York Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani said Saturday that he still believes President Donald Trump is a “fascist” and a “despot,” but he viewed their first face-to-face meeting at the White House on Friday as an “opportunity” to work together on lowering the cost of living for New Yorkers.Their interests are totally aligned, as are yours as an imperialist individual. That's why you and your party ride their dicks.
>>2582592Ok. What Party is on track to building red army
>>2582594there isn't one, that's the problem 😒
>>2582515Even if Texas is gaining jobs it's most likely crappy day labor kind of stuff
>>2582600Texas is actually where all the AI data centers are being built actually. They're wrecking the electricity grid and using up all the water there. Total looting of public resources to fuel the biggest bubble in US stock market history.
>>2582603
I'm not surprised by that in the least. She did the same with gay marriage. It doesn't matter how important the issue is, they will be against anything until way more than 50% of the population support it
>>2582589Well there's no red army for them to join right now but hey let's screech on leftypol instead of building a movement of any kind , then we can get mad
Just so we understand each other
Are all Americans reactionary regardless of class position
except you *
If not all of them which ones?
>>2582593More phrase mongering. Substituting vibes for analysis.
apparently it's big time illegal to convince US soldiers not to follow illegal orders or propagandize them in general. this is actually the kind of illegalism that lenin was talking about not that other nonsense like terrorism
>Whoever, with intent to interfere with, impair, or influence the loyalty, morale, or discipline of the military or naval forces of the United States: (1) advises, counsels, urges, or in any manner causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty by any member of the military or naval forces of the United States… Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
<18 U.S.C. § 2387
>>2582592Not all of them and for some original sin, felix theory,
>>2582612Are you saying zohran didnt suck trump's dick and ride that shit and then say he loved it and will do it again?
>>2582607
Yes, it is mostly privatized. Idk if it is entirely privatized. You often find that things get privatized first where poor people and ethnic minorities live, and last where rich people and ethnic majorities live.
>>2582619More petite-bourgeois moralism and phrase mongering.
>>2582572>comparing the US american "left" with the glorious red armymeds
>>2582593>Donald trump and zohron both admitted to enjoying "eating food" and "breathing" Social fascists destroyed by facts and logic!!
>>2582621Americans are doing genocide and enriching themselves from it. Will you call that petty-bourgeois moralism too
>>2582627>>2582631Hitler drank water. Does that mean we must ride his dick
>>2582619>coming on putins picture and now this postRepressed felix homorage hypothesis is being supported by more and more evidence
Im all seriousness i think mamdani met Trump and tried to be diplomatic but inevitable there will be a showdown and we will see then if mamdani has the courage of his convictions
That or someone more radical will take center stage in the near future
>>2582634its always about dick riding with you. dick dick dick. is there something you'd like us to know
>>2582633uygha dick Cheney enriches him self and I dont get shit
not i want looted iraq moneyI actually get funding diverted from shit I need to pay for this bulshit because they use my money to defend their investments in neocolonies
>>2582634>A and B have comminalities>A is bad>Therefore B is badPlease upload brain scan
>>2582644
>A is imperialist
>B serves A
>Therefore B is imperialist
Please upload brain scan
>>2582641Ziohran is bad. He said he would work with fascist despot to best serve imperialists. A Social fascist would object to Hitler, not ride his dick. He speaks exactly like Hindenburg to Hitler. That is why all who support him are imperialists
>>2582646Ziohran called hamas war criminals. Ziohran called Maduro dictator. Is that not the line of a fascist imperialist
Maybe Aluminum Ferdinand has dyscalculia and can't conceptualize logical relationships in the abstract. Under socialism with American characteristics he'll be put in a home
>>2582538Thanks! Was pretty informative.
I’m not necessarily saying that a KPD/SPD alliance was likely, just whether such a thing could’ve stopped Hitler if it happened.
Which is why the seething about SocDems today and in the context of the U.S. is silly. I think it was Felix but there was some jackass on here earlier saying something like “REAL Communists would’ve raided the DSA and killed everyone there!” And it’s like that is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever heard. “Real communists would randomly slaughter a bunch of young people that want some social safety net”
The SPD at least actually sent the freikorps after Rosa and the Spartacists, they voted for war credits, there was some fundamental conflict there. Meanwhile the DSA? It’s loathed by some ultras who read that “left wing of fascism” line and declared it 100% true for all time. They treat these people as enemies not for any real reason, nor real conflict, literally just because they treat quotes as dogma. They then look for confirmation of their beliefs and it amounts to hyperbole that is just comical when they try to use it as “proof”—“Zohran said October 7th was bad, betrayal!” “Zohran wasn’t scowling when he met Trump!” “Zohran is LITERALLY a Zionist!”
He said he’d work with Trump on affordability—a completely innocuous statement, and suddenly that becomes “Yes master, let’s murder all the Palestinians” to these types.
>>2582633Yes you’re continuing to avoid actual analysis and doing more phrase mongering.
>>2582654>He said he’d work with Trump on affordability—a completely innocuous statement, and suddenly that becomes “Yes master, let’s murder all the Palestinians” to these types.You still dont get it, boy. How do you think ameriKKKans get their goods? How do you think amerikkkans depress the costs of their goods?
God this place fucking sucks
>>2582654>The SPD at least actually sent the freikorps after Rosa and the Spartacists, they voted for war credits, there was some fundamental conflict there. Meanwhile the DSA? It’s loathed by some ultras who read that “left wing of fascism” line and declared it 100% true for all time. They treat these people as enemies not for any real reason, nor real conflict, literally just because they treat quotes as dogma. They then look for confirmation of their beliefs and it amounts to hyperbole that is just comical when they try to use it as “proof”—“Zohran said October 7th was bad, betrayal!” “Zohran wasn’t scowling when he met Trump!” “Zohran is LITERALLY a Zionist!”Ziohran is actually a democrat, and democrats have done worse than the SPD. Are democrats not fascist and imperialist?
>>2582659he's a member of the dsa
>President Trump pardons Democrat US Rep Cuellar who was indicted for money laundering, bribery and conspiracy.
>He is alleged to have accepted nearly $600,000 from Azerbaijan and a Mexican commercial bank in order to influence U.S. policy
>>2582658and yet, you come here to post :^)
>>2582656More moralism and ridiculous phrase-mongering. If free buses and a rent freeze in NYC means third worlders dying in your mind you’re clearly not mature enough to actually hold coherent views.
>>2582659Again, that isn’t analysis—thats just accusing people of guilt for cultural proximity
>>2582656I didn't know calling people boy in a condescending way really helps your cause. But yes keep using kkk like a sakist to the core. But I will indulge your claim its racism by having latin american on expired work visas work for pennies on the dollar or get threatened by deportation. The other has been the black community because they need to continue another form of slavery through wages.
But not everything is idpol and should be viewed through a class lens. Once you do that you can despook yourself, then you can truly help those who are oppressed.
>>2582585>ok sure. but was there ever a status quo of equal rights in palestine?under the ottoman empire, which was incredibly reactionary in many ways, Christians, Jews, and Muslims somewhat peaceably co-existed in Palestine for the most part, including in Jersualem.
>they've never been their own sovereign nationNo, they haven't
btw my previous post wasn't intended to deny the palestinian situation, I was just speaking about to the german analogies you were making.
>>2582658every place has problems. this is still one of the better ones.
>>2582673I was referring to this website
Disregarding how ZOGran Mamdani instantly folded to democratic party leadership and dissuaded DSA from following through with their silly ambitions of a friendly takeover or "always be primarying", the ultimate test is whether he will deliver on his promise of making NY a sanctuary city from ICE, a topic he has been noticeably VERY wishy washy about since the Trump meeting, that's where we will definitely know if ZOGran is a fascist collaborator or not, or in the words of phallic-anon, if he is riding Trump's dick. But in my view as the "pragmatic" strategy to advance the DSA, the guy has folded already, he's hakeem jeffries' guy. As I said before, I'm fully prepared for this shitty board to excuse ZOGran allowing ICE raids, in exchange for concessions from the executive, a move that would be pretty straightforward imperialist in nature.
>>2582674So am I. Are you confused?
>>2582675You're just saying words
>>2582679I'm sorry you're a little baby and you're confused, what point would you like me to clarify for your short bus kid brain
>>2582675the governor of new york deals has the ultimate say when it comes to ICE
>>2582679nah, his analysis seems more or less correct, even if his wording is too vulgar for your tastes
>>2582637>not knowing Boondocks' dick riding Obama.are you even burger?
>>2582679we're all just saying words on the saying words website
>>2582682he has yet to explain in each pardon how these people are innocent. he never did, he never does, he will never do.
>>2582686Well yeah all the best warlords are US-backed
>>2582692we have finally CIA-couped ourselves.
>>2582675Yknow I heard it remarked that there’s a kind of bizarre quality in Zionism where gentiles who are nevertheless Zionists feel comfortable in “taking away” the Judaism of non-Zionist Jews (“you’re not REALLY Jewish then!”) or declaring them “self-hating Jews”
Now we’re seeing the inverse where anti-Zionists in the west feel comfortable with declaring a Muslim man whose spoken out against Israel a “Zionist” and even altering his name (“Ziohran, ZOGhran”) for being insufficiently anti-Zionist.
>>2582691My favorite is Eddie Gallagher, a man who stabbed an Afghan child to death, and after his pardon, became a right wing merch grifter
>>2582697>Now we’re seeing the inverse where anti-Zionists in the west feel comfortable with declaring a Muslim man whose spoken out against Israel a “Zionist” and even altering his name (“Ziohran, ZOGhran”) for being insufficiently anti-Zionist.leftist politically incorrect dot org moment
>>2582697>(“Ziohran, ZOGhran”) for being insufficiently anti-Zionist.His name is ZOGhran GLOBAmdani, chud, but your non-answer has been filed on the cabinet of taking jokes seriously.
>>2582700I thought it was Ziohran BombDummy, per TRIF's canon
>>2582700You’re literally calling him a Zionist though, you aren’t “joking” that he’s a Zionist, you actually think he is.
Christ this is like how /pol/ hides behind some supposed “irony” when they say Jews run the world but they actually believe it, too. It’s wanting to state your position but be uncriticized for it.
>>2582703I'm sorry for deadnaming Ziohran, anon :(
>>2582712>you actually think he is.you read minds now?
>>2582713You’ve literally been arguing he’s a Zionist in this thread. If your convictions are so soft you’ll rely on pretending you don’t hold any positions whatsoever then your claims shouldn’t be taken seriously.
>>2582682what did he get in exchange of pardoning cuellar?
>>2582714>You’ve literally been arguing he’s a Zionist in this thread.I think you're confusing me with someone else, maybe your psychic chops are not so hot. Perhaps you want to dedicate your time to fabricating quotes from Lenin instead.
>>2582718if you're not the anon he was talking to then why did you even jump in
>>2582727I was kind of frustrated phallic-anon (the guy whose every reply involves dick sucking or dick riding) was not doing any actual analysis lol
>>2582458>succdems allying with National Socialist Party lol
>>2582718Yeah no mate; you’re literally arguing he’s a Zionist and now you’re trying to do some “tee-hee, no I’m not!” And given you’re pushing that “you fabricated a Lenin quote” lie it’s pretty obvious you’ve been in this thread pushing that “Zohran is a Zionist” lie.
Shit you can’t even say “I don’t think he’s a Zionist” when called on it. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too
>>2582618Income and wealth studies have right-skewed distributions because of extreme inequality and both median and mean by themselves give inaccurate pictures. Here's a study that breaks it up by percentile.
<Differential wage growth over 1979 to 2019 affected wage inequality within and between demographic groups. The superior wage growth at the 90th percentile, alongside weaker growth or declining wages at the bottom half of the distribution, translated into growing wage inequality within all demographic groups, but groups varied by the degree of increased inequality.<Considering first wage growth at the 10th and 50th percentiles, Figure 1 reveals that the 10th percentile wage declined in real terms during the 1980s for all groups, and, with the exception of women, the median (50th percentile) wage declined as well. Low-Wage Workers
<Men's wages at the 10th percentile fell by 7.7% ($14.09 to $13.00) from 1979 to 2019. <Women's wages at the 10th percentile rose by 9.6% between 1979 and 2019, from $10.25 to $11.24.Middle-Wage Workers
<Overall, median wages for men fell by 3.0% but rose by 28.8% for women.https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45090This study is pre-covid so it's probably worse now.
>>2582728 (me)
at any point my post was not in direct reply to anyone in the conversation, so I don't understand the confusion, I even used separate lingo (ZOGran) to distance myself from phallic-anon, if you're confused, maybe reddit is more to your speed, they have usernames there.
>>2582730You literally falsified a quote from the second congress from the communist international and I will never not remind everyone from it that you're a fundamentally a dishonest person who falsifies shit when cornered.
>>2582733You’re pretending you don’t think Zohran is a Zionist (or you do—chances are you’ll get pedantic with “I didn’t say I don’t think he’s a Zionist either!”) and then accusing me of lying. At no point did I make up a fake quote; frankly it’s just projection on your part about others being dishonest.
>>2582729Guy with some familiarity in Czech history here, allow me to interject for a moment.
Despite the name, the "National Socialist Party" of Czechoslovakia has no connection to Nazism or Fascism whatsoever. Having been founded in 1897, the CSNS was primarily made up of old school social democrats who believed that achieving Czechoslovak national independence from Austria was a more pressing matter than proletarian revolution. Essentially they were progressive liberal nationalists, and while early on they did have something of an antisemitic streak they abandoned it after World War 1, and also probably the most active resistance movement against the Nazis in Czech lands. Also their leader Eduard Benes expelled the Sudeten Germans after World War 2, which was based as hell
>>2582735to be fair, and I'm not either of the anons you have been talking to, zohran is objectively zionist if your goalpost for what qualifies as zionism is the idea that israel should be allowed to continue existing or if there should be a two state solution. that being said, he is probably very much against the likud-led, kahanist version of israel that we currently have. it's strange that american leftists have made "israel's right to exist" the goalpost for anti zionism while disagreeing simultaneously with people who say america shouldn't exist, but here we are. A strange impasse of hypocrisy and confusion.
>>2582736Cool; didn't know that; thanks
>>2582698my favorites are the 6 January rioters pardoned, that end up back in jail, for other crimes. one, I remember, was asked "what will you do now you are free" and his answer was "wait and see" (as threatening those libssss), ends up robbing homes or something similar.
>>2582735>At no point did I make up a fake quote; frankly it’s just projection on your part about others being dishonest.Yes you did, I don't care enough to look it up but you're a known quantity, you're a sloppy revisionist who isn't even good at arguing given you derailed the entire conversation into this stupid, frankly ridiculous tangent, to defend a guy who went out of his way to protect Hakeem Jeffries' seat, an actual zionist, before he's even sworn in lol. I hope you're at least doing this at work and are not spending your free time doing this miserable shit of defending democratic party patsies.
>>2582737People love purity spiraling.
For example, Zohran said in regards to Israel’s “right to exist” that it should “exist as a state with equal rights” and if one considers Zionism to be the explicit project of a
Jewish Nation-State then ending Israeli apartheid and granting Palestinians rights
would functionally be anti-Zionist in much the same way that ending Apartheid in South Africa fundamentally changed that state.
As for the two state solution, shit didn’t even Hamas say they’re open to it temporarily? So is Hamas Zionist now? I don’t think there’s really any situation where Zohran can be thought of abetting and aiding the currently existing Zionist project, even a two state solution would be a defeat for it at this point.
>>2582682It's actually obscene the amount of people that will have to be arrested even under a -moderate- Dem presidency.
>>2582741>People love purity spiraling.You've been doing it here, retard
>>2582697 >>2582741>For example, Zohran said in regards to Israel’s “right to exist” that it should “exist as a state with equal rights”right, and I'm saying, to most people, these days, that qualifies as zionism, because the bar for what qualifies as anti zionism, is "israel must be destroyed" and this bar is even true among "america first" types who don't see the hypocrisy of a country very similar to israel, america, which has overwhelmingly enabled israel, to also continue existing. make sense?
>>2582658Gets much better when you filter all namefags
>>2582743it seems he is commenting on the purity spiraling of zionists, who call anti zionist jews "self hating jews."
>>2582745even when you do that, half of Anonymous are still replying to them, making the context of the conversation difficult to follow
>>2582745>>2582747Also, if we finally disabled namefaggery altogether, many anons would be constantly accusing each other of secretly being certain namefags, as already sometimes happens, so it seems there is no good solution.
>>2582740>doubling down on the “fake quote” lie.>”You derailed the thread!!!”Again you’re just projecting. You’ll declare everyone to be some chauvinist or fascist and then make up the most tenuous hyperbole to “prove” it in hopes that if you lie enough it’ll be established fact.
>>2582743>Take a post that’s undeniably against purity spiraling<“This is purity spiraling!”You may have oppositional defiance disorder.
>>2582749>Again you’re just projecting.Is this all you can say? Truly a midwit.
>>2582738It's all good, I'm part Czech myself so I've taken it upon myself to do some research into their politics. If you're looking for the actual fascist movements in the interwar period, the two main ones were the National Fascist Bloc, which were more aligned with ᴉuᴉlossnW and had a pretty strong anti-German stance, and the Vlajka, which pretty much worshiped the Nazi model and continued carrying out terror attacks on synagogues even after the Nazi occupation because they thought the Nazis weren't sufficiently antisemitic. To add to the hilarity, the only causalities of these terror attacks where Vlajka members themselves, who accidentally blew themselves up. They later got abandoned by the Nazis because they began accusing some prominent collaborators of being Jews due to, you guessed it, not killing Jews fast enough.
Is there any way to make this a productive thread or are we forever doomed to argue about increasingly granular sectarian bullshit?
Maybe the left in America is just bored because we can barely do anything. Or maybe we just aren't looking for specific instances of opportunity in real local politics across the usa
My personal, materialist oppinion is that u guys are already rotting in Dante's hell. You will literally not see a workers uprising, you will see a melting down of US Hegemony right before your eyes.
>>2582751I'm one of the peeps here who likes and respects you, so I say this with love and also out of a need for help: if we could, what topic could we focus on that is positivist and specific to local American politics right now? Any townships facing pollution issues? Local DSA elections anywhere? I'm legit asking and when I get back from errands maybe I'll try to find some myself to share
>>2582755>the left in Americathere is no left in america
>>2582755>Is there any way to make this a productive threadNo. Not really. Education and Agitation can happen online, but the Organizing needs to happen in real life. Most people either cannot or do not desire to organize in real life, so they argue online. This place has an even bigger problem, which is anonymity + free speech, which leads to it being a shit flinging zone by nature.
>>2582758Ah right on man, I think some DSA types out here were talking about patrolling to keep an eye out for ICE so they can warn people when they’re in the neighborhood, was thinking of getting involved in that. Right now I think the Left should focus on stopping ICE and opposing them wherever they are as that’s the vanguard for Trump’s fascist agenda.
>>2582753In the original post he is commenting on the purity spiraling of zionists, who call anti zionist jews "self hating jews."
>>2582766up is down
poopoo is peepee
inside is out
- jorge ohwell
>>2582755>Is there any way to make this a productive thread or are we forever doomed to argue about increasingly granular sectarian bullshit? The left in America will always be undermined by chauvinist factions who will always prioritize pursuing small concessions which will get quickly erased down the line, because it's in their interest to do so, and they will even sabotage revolutionary movements abroad (e.g. DSA candidates calling Cuba dictatorships, etc) and chauvinists will manufacture excuses for them, again, because it's in their immediate interest to do so.
>>2582731I appreciate your effort but the study concludes this
>In summary, analysis of the data shows that overall wages rose in real terms over the 1979 to 2019 period at the top of the wage distribution, increased more modestly at the middle of the wage distribution, and rose to an even lesser degree at the bottom of the distribution.Mean or median. Rising or falling real wages. Every single motherfucking snake in this goddamn country is an exploiter.
>>2582766It's so funny that with one hand they renamed the Department of Defense to the "Department of War" and with the other, they refer to Trump as "the president of peace", anon said it
>>2582770 and it's indeed cliche but i do wonder what would gorg orwell say about this shit.
>>2582762Zohran said he would work with Trumo and ICE though
>>2582771That sounds like a you problem. I'm gonna start trying to make my own way soon and avoid and ignore sectarian nihilists ITT like you, and stay on topic. Blackpilling is for Nazi fags and lonely NEETs. We'll keep pushing in the face of armchair contrarians like you.
Coming soon ITT: Optimistic American communism. Pessimists are not to be engaged with, they are to be ignored and talked over.
>>2582755We can stop calling each other moralists, or gusanos because they do not support the empire. We can seek truth from facts. We can engage as men and not boys. From this post onward, insults without supplementative, coherant, materialist argumentation are low quality and bannable
>>2582778Trumo is Trumps hairless 3 foot clone that lurks around the white house in charge of ICE, so he can eat all the migrants they catch, as 2 feet of him are mouth and he distends and eats them in one bite like a cartoon character.
>>2582779>I'm gonna start trying to make my own way soon and avoid and ignore sectarian nihilists ITT like you, and stay on topic. I like how any hint of analysis is immediately shot-down as nihilism, this kneejerk reaction at the slightest hint of criticism is why the left in the US is so myopic and will eventually undermine itself again.
We need to focus on specific things on the ground in a more detailed manner than constantly arguing about empire or whatever the fuck. My position is that imperialism is solving itself (in great part thanks to AES countries like China and Vietnam etc) so actions within the USA working class domestic sphere are essentially causatively detached from foreign imperial processes and policy.
From here on out, I will be focusing on specific politics unique to American interests because that is the topic of this thread. TWisters will become irrelevant when the topic shifts. 2 birds one stone. Errands now, but I'll come back and engage more
>>2582779i don't see what they said was wrong. there are indeed national chauvinists calling cuba a "dictatorship" to delegitimize it while simultaneously pursuing small concessions that will be erased down the line. The DSA itself was founded by Michael Harrington, a splitter from a previous party that didn't want to oppose US involvement in the Vietnam war. That's not good.
>>2582788>I like how any hint of analysis is immediately shot-down as nihilismits crazy how self-centered they are, they think being pessimistic about the left in the US equals rejecting the existence of "good" in absolute terms
For the sake of discussion:
What do we know about ICE and its Tactics?
We know they hide their identity, they frequently arrive in unmarked vans, but what about their communications? Think a scanner would be able to (theoretically) pick up their conversations? Would it be possible to use that to figure out where they’re gonna raid in advance?
>>2582781>Optimistic The drunk optimist thinks he is sober enough to drive home. What use is "optimism" when it results in disappointment. By all means, set goals and ruthlessly pursue them, but this "smile or die" optimism is silly. The pessimist is pleasantly surprised when a realistic goal is finally achieved. The optimist is constantly disappointed, and sets unrealistic goals
>>2582790>My position is that imperialism is solving itself (in great part thanks to AES countries like China and Vietnam etc) so actions within the USA working class domestic sphere are essentially causatively detached from foreign imperial processes and policy. This is wrong. Imperialism cannot solve itself. You are rebranding Kautsky Ultra Imperialism theory
>>2582793If you're remotely serious about this and are not just trying to derail, there's an unlocked Chapo premium episode with the guy from LA Taco that goes over it , it sounds silly now that I reread it but it's good
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/unlocked-ice-is-coming-to-a-city-near-you-feat-memo-torres >>2582803
What's worse is that migrant groups already have cobbled networks of watchers and communication channels to give early warnings, he wants us to discuss these strategies freely here, I dunno why but it's high sus if you ask me
>>2582793No, officer. P25 encryption can't be decoded afaik but crosstalk with locals might be possible to intercept and decipher from codes.
https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Customs_and_Border_Protection >>2582805>he wants us to discuss these strategies freely here, I dunno why but it's high sus if you ask meno discussion, only shitflinging!
>>2582803
Can you explain why you think helping migrants not get put in camps is treatlerism
>>2582801Sorry if discussing “how do we stop ICE from grabbing people off the streets” derails from the “you’re all treatlers” discussion.
>>2582805Okay you guys are obvious wreckers at this point.
>>2582813something something all migrants are anti communist gusanos something something
honkoid status?
>>2582790>From here on out, I will be focusing on specific politics unique to American interests because that is the topic of this thread. TWisters will become irrelevant when the topic shifts.You are an imperialist. Imperialism is the principal contradiction in america that all things revolve around. Anti-imperialism will always be forefront of american politics
>>2582818
This post glows so hard it's blinding me.
>Americans being roughed up a bit for hooliganism or drug trafficking
GENUINELY only a propagandist would write something like this.
>>2582790Vietnam is not socialist and they are also insanely pro usa.
>>2582825Vietnam is socialist, and their relationship with the USA is realpolitik, same with China.
>>2582825Also if you are going to try to cite china hating Lunaoi who tried to sell land in Vietnam kys
>>2582828Vietnam is not socialist and it's not real politik with china. They have legit hatred. You are clueless.
>>2582830> They have legit hatredChina's relationship with the USA is very much realpolitik
>>2582831I am not mad about anything. Modern Vietnam is not socialist
>>2582832You can see polls of their population they are very much pro usa.
>>2582827Seems like it's one retarded anon posting this shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he's a glowie at this point.
>>2582825Wrong. Vietnam is socialist. The State of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a socialist state ruled by law and of
the People, by the People and for the People.
>>2582837No they are not.
>>2582827So the fact that imperialists are wholly content with their system is "Third Worldists" fault? Please explain
>>2582425who owns a bourgeois grocery store chain and food delivery service?
>>2582834>You can see polls of their population they are very much pro usa.because you pet the donkey in the direction its hair grows. trust the plan
>I am not mad about anything. Modern Vietnam is not socialistVietname is Socialist. China is Socialist. Stay angry.
>>2582843China and Vietnam are not comparable. Vietnam today is not socialist at all. Idk why you are grouping these two together.
>>2582838>“Sexual assault” in the era of postmodernism just means “a man made eye contact with me or was ugly in my vicinity without my permission”ok incel, we are discussing actual confirmed cases of women in ICE detention. maybe fuck off to your containment thread in
>>>/siberia/>>2582838
This is such reactionary drivel that it reads like parody. "Ragebait" as the kids say.
>>2582846Vietnam is officially a socialist republic. The country is governed by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV), which is the only legal political party. Vietnam’s political system is based on Marxist-Leninist principles, and it aims to establish a socialist society. The government has a strong central role in the economy, and while there have been significant market reforms and liberalization since the 1980s (especially with the "Đổi Mới" or "Renovation" reforms), the CPV remains firmly in control of political power.
The government promotes itself as a socialist-oriented market economy, where the state retains a key role in sectors like energy, banking, and natural resources, while private enterprise is encouraged in many other areas. This blend of socialism with market elements is sometimes referred to as "market socialism." It is very much similar to China.
>>2582770>poopoo is peepeesniff ze cloaca provides ze hegelian syntheschis
sniff of ze anoose, and ze urethra
>>2582851Using a term does not make you socialist. Vietnam is not a socialist economy.
I am convinced you are trolling at this point so I will stop here
>>2582844Proof of what? That imperialist wages have trended upwards for the past decades thanks to imperialism? Its in the post. That every snake is an oppressor and exploiter? Because lenin said so. These are facts that we must accept to move past
>>2582836there are at least two.
1. iron felix
>the VAST MAJORITY of americans are WILLING and GLEEFUL collaborators>you just want more treats for your precious volk>America MUST be destroyed2. dickrider anon, formerly known as magacom schizo (
>wrong. you deny proletarian line>you dick ride imperialists>REAL WAGES have gone up, enriching imperialist exploiter >>2582856>dickrider anon, formerly known as magacom schizolol. it really is just one guy
>>2582855You are a regular shit flinger, like all imperialists. You just excused the imperialists and blamed their complacency and constant predisposition to fascism on any call it out for what it is
>>2582827 >>2582857as I said, it's two. Felix has a distinct voice and posting style from dickrider anon.
>>2582861no, he just pointed out that no matter what tact burger communists take with you, you reject the possibility of them being anti-imperialist or communist
>>2582861Brother you are the definition of a shit flinger, you are no different from a hasbara agent (which makes your "but Gaza" bullshit all the more tiresome).
>>2582859Cuba and China are not comparable to Vietnam. Idk why you keep doing this. Vietnam is not socialist. They are not like the first two at all. You are clueless.
>>2582863This is not true. Some americans consistently fight imperialism, but this number is very little and dwarfed by those who defend it. When someone dick rides zohran (and dick rides trump by proxy) this is considered defense of imperialism. This general tendancy to can be overcome but never as long as the imperialists are tolerated
>>2582867Castro himself says Vietnam is socialist as I demonstrated. Read what he says in that image.
>>2582869>Some americans consistently fight imperialism, but this number is very little and dwarfed by those who defend it.I actually agree with this
Marxism–Leninism has lost its ideological stronghold in Vietnamese politics since the introduction of a mixed economy in the late 1980s and 1990s.[3] Because of the Đổi Mới reforms, the party could not base its rule on defending only the workers and the peasants, which was officially referred to as the "working class-peasant alliance".[99] In the constitution introduced in 1992, the State represented the "workers, peasants and intellectuals".[3] In recent years, the party has stopped representing a specific class, but instead the "interests of the entire people", which includes entrepreneurs.[3] The final class barrier was removed in 2006, when party members were allowed to engage in private activities.[4] In the face of de-emphasising the role of Marxism–Leninism, the party has acquired a broader ideology, laying more emphasis on nationalism, developmentalism and becoming the protector of tradition.[5] Minh himself stated that what originally attracted him to Communism was not its doctrines, which he did not at that time understand, but the simple fact that the Communists supported the independence of countries like Vietnam.[11
>>2582870Vietnam today is not the same country economically as it was decades ago. It's not stagnant. It's not socialist at all today.
>>2582873Castro said that in 1994.
>>2582875Many decades ago. The economy has completely changed in the 21st century to now. Please go read about it instead of living in the past and saying it is today with nostalgia
>>2582812I'd say the conversation is misguided at best, like I said, these sort of things have already being discussed by migrants and migrant advocates alike, there's already strategies in place, workplace evacuation routes, ICE sweep reports, the works. This guy comes here, with 0 knowledge or context, and starts like "yo peeps how do we stop the popo, eh", and it's like, either he's trying to deliberately switch the topic into something he has 0 clue about to not engage in the self-crit conversation, in which case it's a useless conversation at best (and he's unwilling to listen the chapo ep. I linked to at least get some cursory information), or at worse, he's opening it up this kind of info to prying eyes, anyone can browse this board.
>>2582877I'm pretty sure more cops will listen to a c chap episode that discusses anti-ICE tactics than will browse this stupid shitflinging imageboard thread
>>2582876how about you recommend some reading then or elaborate on what about vietnam's economy is different from 1994
>>2582866I hear you. I tire of them as well, but to fight any and all imperialist thought is to clean the imperialists' brains of the shit that rots them. When even most insidious forms of social fascism are tolerated, all is lost. When people fall more and more for social fascism, a higher stage of dick riding is born and our efforts must be doubled again. The most fervant and longest lasting dick riders may never be won over; they will always fling their shit at Communists and workers and peasants. They will die with the dick in their ass as they choose but they must be combated.
>>2582877>”Not engage in self crit”It’s retards shit flinging, not anything worthwhile.
Soon as someone asks “How can we actually oppose ICE?” Suddenly you’ve got people fedjacketing and calling it “treatlerism”. That you think that discussing how to oppose ICE is the derail from shitflinging really makes me think there are provocateurs out here that actively attempt to demoralize people and try to steer the conversation away from doing shit.
>>2582883>It’s retards shit flingingWell yeah you often resort to that, but we legitimately try to reach to you
>>2582887see
>>2582838 and tell me that isn't shit flinging
>>2582887Nah you’re just idiots accusing people randomly of fascism. You’re actively trying to wreck discussions on how to practically oppose Fascism in favor of demoralizing people.
>>2582878He asked for something very weirdly specific like intercepting ICE comms which is either comically naive (which, again, useless conversation), or somewhat sus. To be fair, I think it's naive, a bit of a stupid question, if anyone would know how to do that, they wouldn't expose it freely on this web zone
>>2582894Are you asking me for feedback?
>>2582883Have you considered the fact that you have been exposed most ruthlessly and as such that your reputation is ruined and any thinking person will question your every word
>>2582899It was opening the conversation to “how can we practically oppose ICE” now I got the ICEblock app on my phone but it’s been not that useful (lots of false positives) and I’d like more opportunities to do something practical.
I don’t think I’ve got any undocumented coworkers but talking to a few I know I can trust about an ICE evac plan might be smart just in case.
>>2582873>Vietnam is not socialistname the companies state-owned that were privatized completely. I want in particular the strategic companies. like energy sector, telecom, bank, and services.
go on.
>>2582905That doesn't mean it's socialist. I think a socialist state can adopt liberal market reforms and yet still genuinely be attempting to build socialism. But I don't see that with Vietnam.
>>2582906yeah, the vibes are off
Amerifags, who the hell is Graham Planter?
>>2582916A fascist pretending to be a leftist
>>2582916he describes himself as a communist mushroom growing hippie. does mutual aid and firearms training with some leftist militia in maine
>>2582920leaving out a lot aren't ya ?
see
>>2582922 >>2582923So did that guy lol
>>2582917Why would a fascist pretend to be a leftist?
>>2582920Why would a fascist do those things?
>>2582922And leftists support this guy? I wouldn't even run him as a candidate if I were a democrat liberal. He stinks.
>>2582926if we say that people can not change we make existence impossible. yes it's true
>>2582928>Why would a fascist pretend to be a leftist?you should ask hitler
>>2582907What's his location?
>>2582931Hitler was an incoherent retard. I don't even think he knew what he believed and was just floating around performing for whoever would pay him and stroke his ego.
>>2582889of course he had to throw in "muh both sides" at the end even though it's not remotely comparable
>>2582936Sounds like Graham Palantir
>>2582936>Hitler was an incoherent retard.yeah well platner is not exactly ideologically coherent judging by his reddit account, so there you go
>>2582941senators are pawns. imagine believing individual politicians can actually change things lol
>>2582943congratulations. you are now on my side
>>2582944ah yes, this photo was taken after his supposed "change of heart" in 2022
>>2582943tell that to the people who shill him
Graham's position always has been regarding Afghanistan another wars that they were not done efficiently with the proper goals and that a lot of money was wasted
He does not emphasize the casualties of civilians and how they destroyed their livelihood. He still continues to this day to be immensely proud of being a so-called veteran and he wants to fight for veterans and he holds Marines to be these amazing people
This is not what a person does when they are disappointed in their service and what they have done. Abby Martin's husband who used to be a soldier. He is not proud whatsoever of serving in the military and he talks very negative about the military and of the people that died. He does not see it as it was just improperly done with money or mismanaged. For Gram it's like a business was run improperly
>>2582945>he thinks changing things is what makes socialist politicians beneficialthat's even more embarrassing to believe. I simply don't want his AIPAC sponsored opponent Janet Mills to win. Imagine pushing for an outcome that strengthens the democratic establishment line, couldn't be me
>>2582922>Silver spoon kid>Business owner, identifies as working class>has a Nazi tattoo >calls himself a communist>becomes an electoral candidate and is shilled by the online leftistOnly in America…
>>2582870Well he's wrong then lol
>>2582953>Business owner, identifies as working classin america, social chauvinists call nurses "not workers" because they don't "produce commodities" while simultaneously calling small business owners "workers" because they are white guys who drive trucks. It's all aesthetics here.
the obsessive spam and smear campaigns re: platner don't make sense unless it's hasbara
they clearly do not want him to win - he is the better candidate for that reason
you don't have to like him at all
it's really as simple as
>>2582952new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956new thread btw
>>2582956>>2582959$25 from blackwater has been deposited into your account
>>2582905How is that relevant in any shape or form, when one has to look at the kind of relationship that dominates the entire economy
>>2582903Report racist MAGAtards to ICE
>>2582962do you really think blackwater is against janet mills? why would they be?
>>2582906>That doesn't mean it's socialistso no privatized companies? neoliberalism hasn't put a foothold on its state? good.
Socialism is enshrined in Vietnam's constitution, thus they are looking forward for it.
>>2582965>blackwater has two approved candidates running for senate in mainelucky them!
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