>Estonia without Chinese goodies.
Sorry Disco Elysium guys. It's over.
>>2586652It's as if the only way solar punk or true green stuff is possible is through socialism
Hmmmmm
>>2586658But 80% of Greens are just nazi- I mean neoliberals.
Reactionary westoids don't understand the revolutionary theory of "treatlerism - the highest stage of consumption" as Lenin wrote it, that's why they think that by escaping poverty the Chinese will become treatlerites like them. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The treat is the concept of the dog. The dog that loves his master, just like how Western labor aristocrats love their bosses. In China they eat dogs and put the leash on the capitalists neck.
Such dialectical steps necessarily taken by the anti-treatlerite CPC eludes the anglo-saxon conceptual framework and it resorts to: "they are just like us!!"
But they are anything but.
Is it productive or counter productive to watch China Uncensored and Zeihan videos as entertainment?
>>2586662Watching DELULU is entertaining.
>>2586659Whic is why westoid environmentalism is inferior to cpc environmentalism.
The cpc will save the planet
America can't even threaten Venezuela anymore. China has their balls in an industrial vice.
>>2586677It's alright.
They have a bad habit of boiling meat/fish/chicken rather than frying/searing it. A waste, really.
>>2586643Considering Chinese porkies won't even sacrifice Israel, I doubt they'll sacrifice Estonia.
>>2586747>searingLiterally carcinogenic.
>>2586748sorry chvd but the israeli treats are worth more than filthy br*wn lives.
>>2586758It will start a domino effect: first, Estonia, then Monaco, the Vatican, Montenegro will severe ties with China. In the end they'll have nobody to trade with.
>>2586855Why those specifically? Are they tax havens? The Vatican is more of a political entity than a country, anyway. Fuck do they trade?
>>2586858it's a joke about how all these countries are tiny and inconsequential
Montenegro? More like Mountain Dew Uyghro, amirite
anything to look forward to with the hong kong elections?
>>2586917he said phonetic alphabet not phonetic language doebeit
>>2586917>muh ai use chinese internallyai use its own internal representation that is not dependent on language, hence why it can be trained on all internet and be used for translation
>>2586941Truke(?)
I mean LLMs use tokens which are extracted from human language. I don't think that any research has been done on the topic.
Hello is this the subreddit for Chinese nationalist diaspora and westcel socdems?
>>2587188>>2587244No this is a marxist board and this general is for the discussion of the Peoples Republic of China.
>>2586677Sorry comrade but it's clearly a 3 way tie between Mexico, SEA, and the Levant.
>>2587256Why do despise non-white workers so much?
>>2587282I wouldn't know, I'm unemployed.
speaking of which, how is the hong kong elections going? Are they going to elect the trade unionist?
>>2587188As you might know, gambling is banned in China. As a result, there's this degen named Zhao Wei who moved to Macau in the early 1990s. Macau was once a Western colonial outpost. Macau also became known as the Las Vegas of Asia. It was only in 1999 that it was handed over by Portugal, however like Hong Kong, the Basic Law of Macau gaurentees that its system will remain unchanged for 50 years after the handover. It has its own legal systems, seperate courts, currency, indepedent police authorties, etc. So Zhao invested in casinos there and became filthy rich. In 2001, he moved to Mong La, Myanmar where he started a casino franchise. The city started to become known a border town on the edge of the law with drugs, prostitutes, and gambling. However, since Mong La is just across the border from China in Myanmar, Chinese authorities can close the border gates and in 2005 they closed the gate and refused to let citizens cross the border there. After this travel ban, Zhao was invited by the government of Laos to invest in Bokeo Province to stay there as a special guest. He's operated out of there ever since and the Laos government has a 20% stake in the casinos, gets lease payments and taxes.
Laos is doing this out of pragmatic reasons. It's still considered one of the poorest countries in the world. In the 1960s and '70s, America dropped 270 million bombs on Laos making it the most heavily bombed country in the world. People, many of them children, are still killed to this day because of unexploded bombs. In the past decade, China actually built Laos' first modern major railway. However, one of the hardest part of the project was actually removing the American bombs that were leftover. Anyways, not only did it get bombed the fuck out by the US on a scale never seen before in history, it's also a landlocked country with mountainous terrain which makes trade and transport difficult, another reason why it was particulary hard for the CRRC to build the railway, but the train is officially in operations today.
So back in the 2000s when Laos invited Zhao, that was just another way for Laos to build revenue in the country through currency inflows and tourist revenue. They also got job creation for locals in construction, hospitality and service industries. Since gambling is banned in China, Chinese tourists go abroad to gamble which brings in a lot of money to these cities. Macau got enormously wealthy due to tourism from the mainland. Countries like Japan, Singapore even legalized or developed casinos specifically to attract tourists, particularly from China. Even North Korea built for casinos for this reason. Laos is able to capture some of the revenue that it gets from tourism and then reinvest it into infrastracture like roads, utilites, social services, education, etc. However, it still remains a challenge for Laos to build its indstrial base as Laos has no direct access to seaports, making imports of raw materials and exports of manufactured goods more expensive. The mountanous terrain increases construction costs for factories, roads, and energy infrastructure. Laos is improving slowly, but industrialization is constrained, which is why the government often relies on tourism, SEZs (Bokeo), and foreign investment to boost the economy first.
By the way, Bokeo, Laos is much, much more regulated than Mong La. In Mong La, Myanmar, it was effectively self governed by local militias and warlords. It was highly lawless with de facto autonomous with widespead illegal activity (drug trafficking, etc) and did not have official recognition from the Myanmar central government. While in Bokeo, Lao authorities retain sovereignty and regulate operations. Law enforcement exists and foreign investors still operate under formal rules and it's rather safe there. There is occasional minor corruption however it is nothing like Mong La. This makes Bokeo able to attract legitimate foreign investment and the revenue then can be reinvested into infrastructure and services.
>>2586934No difference. Many languages have phonetic alphabets and they aren’t more or less popular than others. Eigenrobot (and the other guy) just don’t know that the language survived as has been consistently reproduced over thousands of year because it is actually phonetic (unlike hieroglyphs).
>>2586677Something about how the fats/oils soak into the food, like with the broiled fish. I have never tasted a more savory fish in my life than a broiled Chinese river fish
>>2587379effort post, thank you
what unites bokeo and mong la in particular is the golden triangle, is there a sound enough reason to suspect links to the cia opiate trade glow ops or is this old news?
<https://www.unodc.org/roseap/uploads/documents/Publications/2025/Inflection_Point_2025.pdf Why does it seem like the CPC has no long-term plan to abolish private property? Has Xi or the CPC ever expressed a goal to do that in the long term?
>>258812890% of people in China outright own a house and rent costs are minuscule comparatively to the average workers wage, its simply just not a high priority.
>>2588129But they must still have a plan for it. Xi said China would be socialist by 2050.
>>2588132Its probably the most far ahead sector really, they have an over supply of housing and its not an issue like it is comparatively in other neo-liberal countries, it frees up labor due to low cost of living, I think the long term goal is to leverage that to over supply other sectors of the eco.
>>2588128They've already abolished private property you complete retard??
>bbb but they own domicilesThat's called personal property.
>Bbbut they have factory ownersNo they don't. Every piece of commercial land is temporarily divided out through lease FROM the communist party. No one owns any private property whatsoever in China. It is all state owned. This is basic shit
>>2588140Then let me rephrase myself, when will private entities be abolished?
>>2588140Why doesn't the China claim to have/want to abolish private property? :>
>Every piece of commercial land is temporarily divided out through lease
Today i learned private property was abolished in approximately 102 countries
Thanks Hitler
>>2588141It's happening right now, actually. Every few years, the percentage share of every sector that is state owned grows. Every "capitalist" in China is a necessity for the time being, and they don't operate
as a class and they never have and never will. When I mean they don't operate
as a class I mean that literally: they don't work together, their every communication and decision scrutinized and documented for all of the country, but especially the literally 100 million card carrying members of the CPC to see.
So the "capitalists" in China do not exist as your western schema would imply. They are all essentially diminished to executive managers, overseeing the tip top of a business, with
none of the benefits that would typically bestow in a liberal country, namely full ownership and freedom to liquidate, merge, speculate, lay off, bribe etc etc.
So the difference between "private entities" in China (and Vietnam especially) are so vast they're only comparable in aesthetics, and even then not by much
And if you step out of line as a "capitalist" in China? Well…
Idk if you're old enough to remember Jack Ma but he used to be all over the place in western media as a "Chinese billionaire". But where has he gone? Why haven't we heard so much as a peep from him in close to 5 or so years? Why did Vietnam sentence one of their richest people, a retirement fund manager who squandered and offshored the accounts of countless Vietnamese citizens, to death and executed her not long ago?
Do you believe it's because Vietnam and China are exactly the same as the west? Because I can't remember the last time we killed a rich asshole in the west for anything.
>>2588153Correction because mobile:
[Differences between China/Vietnamese and the western bourgeoisie are so vast…]
>>2588145Mobile posting right now so "divvied" instead of divided. And also: there is no constitutionally protected private property rights that can be defended in court in China and Vietnam. Land is NOT owned and never has been, it is leased from the state (which is always and will be always run by the Communist party)
If you think this isn't a massive difference between the two systems then I'm assuming you require velcro shoes
>>2588156
i can't tell if this is supposed to be anti-CPC or pro-CPC
>>2588166She WAS sentenced to death but it was commuted to life imprisonment this year. I read about that shit forever ago, assumed they would have executed her like they have many other capitalists before, but they abolished the death penalty for embezzlement which whatever, death penalty isn't the best thing anyways.
>>2588168Chinese can have schizophrenia too
>>2588173nvm after looking for a little more i think this particular chinese poster has discovered nazbol gang but a sonnenrad opposing imperial japan is just nonsensical even if we ignore the kmt being supposedly on the side of japan
>>2588181It's a really good tweet all around. I might print and frame it
>>2588171They've actually abolished for these crimes altogether:
<The legal reforms in Vietnam ended the death penalty for the crimes of trying to overthrow the government, damaging state infrastructure, making and selling fake medicine, starting wars, spying, drug trafficking, embezzlement and taking bribes.>Ten offences will remain subject to capital punishment in Vietnam, including murder, treason, terrorism and the sexual abuse of children, according to the report. Drug trafficking will also remain a capital offence.<Minister of Public Security Luong Tam Quang said "the current structure of capital punishment was problematic and, in some cases, misaligned with evolving socio-economic conditions and the realities of crime prevention". >American Samoa also has a communal land system in which 90% of the land is communally owned; ownership is based on the Samoan system of governance, in which a political entity called a matai own land communally and administers it on behalf of the polity or nu'u
China is in phase "D" of capitalism as described by Engels in Anti-Duhring.
>>2588323phase d? interesting. which chapter of anti-duhring did you hallucinate that from you pseud.
so is china's interpretation of abolishing the state making the state all encompassing in the sense that any chinese born is a member of CCP and therefore anyone is a communist, but no one is if everyone is a commie?
that was the interpretation of intellectuals in previous ML states
>>2588408he is making the "joke"
>>2588412>so is china's interpretation of abolishing the state making the state all encompassing in the sense that any chinese born is a member of CCP and therefore anyone is a communist, but no one is if everyone is a commie?no, they don't even claim to have achieve communism. neither did the USSR. communism is more of a world-historical stage, not something that can be fully realized in one country. productive forces need to be mature enough for it, probably some hyper advance ai/automation future where human labor becomes unnecessary. china's current m.o. is to rapidly advance the productive forces; keep the dotp stable since there is a superpower breathing down its neck; build up the material base necessary for a mature socialism, that is, the dialectical horizons of china 2035 and china 2049. each five year plans also function as steps to those milestones, ie the past two five year plans have been focused on modernizing the rural areas like building out the critical infrastructure for it.
>that was the interpretation of intellectuals in previous ML stateswho tf said that
>>2588488>who tf said thatPeter Hacks. East Germany was truly Prussia
>>2588785Do you think if turnout was mandatory it would be better or worse?
>>2589213JDPON Don is real, even if he's not doing it intentionally.
>>2589228Yeah this is why democracy is retarded, you either get two party system like in America or this with a multiparty system where only 30% of the voters support the party that wins even though they got the most votes.
Le china is in le phase D of le capitalism as described by le Engels in le Anti-Duhring.
>>2588408>waaah you are pseud pseud pseud No, you are le seud
>>2589252>Democracy is bad>Describes two systems that are the result of anti democratic forces as evidence The problem is western """democracy""" is no democracy at all. For real democracy with the highest voter representation all the way up the superstructure, look to Vietnam.
>>2588408>pseudYou didnt read Anti-Duhring and it shows. Mods, permaban this booklet falsifier.
>>2589258Based actual Marxism understander
>>2588781how did ng chau-pei win less seats than lo wai-kwok when he had over 5 times the popular vote? is hk gerrymandered?
>>2589376Bourgeois politicking boils down to parties protecting capitalists' interests, obviously, and this means shielding the "HQ of capitalism" - meaning the party that represents capitalists' best interests - from scrutiny. In HK case, moderates are protecting radical neolibs and giving up seats to them in backroom deals. Dunno about HK trade unions, but it seems like they are also in on the scheme, as they are the ones who get the most gerry mandered, and without complaints or acting against this disgusting situation.
>>2589398>>2589376In other words, the most reactionary pro-capitalist party gets unelected seats, which are protected against people's votes. If seats were proportional, socdems/trade unions, which are more voted for, would have had more seats, and thus people would be able to pressure them to change pro-capitalist laws, while unelected gerry mandered neolibs right now can in coalition with merely a fraction of moderates block any attempt to change laws - and moderates and socdems get plausible deniability while letting this happen, "it's not us who are reactionary and anti-people, it's this mal-elected group of people spoiling all the democratic process"
2047 cannot come soon enough
China is capitalist though.
>>2589418Yes utopian socialist, we know. Now please leave.
>>2589252>Yeah this is why democracy is retarded*bourgeois democracy
>you either get two party system like in America or this with a multiparty system where only 30% of the voters support the party that wins even though they got the most votes.not if you have 1-party system (like China) or 0-party system
>>2589426>not if you have 1-party system (like China)China has multiple parties, though. It's just that other parties are irrelevant clowns
>Iranians want their own Deng Xiaoping, writes Vali Nasr
>There is a growing chorus arguing that Iran’s nuclear doctrine has been wrong all along and must now change. Since 2003 Iran has been open about its pursuit of a nuclear programme while also disavowing nuclear weapons. Khamenei even issued a religious fatwa banning them. Iran engaged in negotiations and collaborated with the un nuclear watchdog, but the West was never convinced that Iran’s aims were peaceful. Iran expected its expanding nuclear programme to force America to discuss lifting sanctions. But nuclear leverage only unnerved the West and led to more sanctions. The billions that Iran has invested in the programme have not produced economic dividends; instead the costs to the country of its nuclear ambitions have steadily mounted.
>Foreign-policy hawks, along with many moderates, argue that Iran must now do what it should have done from the outset: build nuclear weapons in secret following the examples of India, Israel, North Korea and Pakistan. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s grandson, Hassan Khomeini, a popular and influential moderate voice, argues that only nuclear weapons will address Iran’s deterrence needs. Senior clerics in Qom, too, are calling on Khamenei to change his fatwa against nuclear weapons. Fearful of another war and angry at the humiliation Iran has suffered, ordinary Iranians, including many among the ranks of freedom-loving opposition, also favour this approach.https://archive.ph/157kM >>2589439>irrelevant clownsActually, I like the story of the Left-Kuomintang.
>>2589442how is that analogous to Deng? China had nukes before Deng. Not that I have any problem with Deng, I just don't see the connection.
ICE operation have scaled down in scope and violence. Mainly thanks to the resistance of the communities.
This is proof that billions of dollars spent in weapons and mercenaries can be countered through solidarity and popular support.
>>2589773There has been no victory yet.
>>2589892Please Xi make ddr5 ram 😔🙏
>>2590157CXMT already does and YMTC announced plans to.
If you buy the chinese gaming PC you're a COMMUNIST.
Is learning Mandarin worth it if I'm interested in Chinese politics, or do all the important happenings get translated to English?
>>2590234If you want to get into the finicky detailed conversations by Chinese Marxist academics and Party news, sure.
>>2590245I may just be autistic enough for this to interest me. Of course, it'll take several years to learn Mandarin to a high enough level to read anything substantive, but I think I'm up for the challenge.
Why would you want anything beyond the Governance of China Volumes 1 through 5
>>2589892What is this blue suit BS? He needs to drop the anglo atire and start larping like Mao 24/7.
>>2589892How bad is this for amerikkka?
>>2590335It's a style of military dress popularized by a British general with a surname "French"
>>2590335Between Xi, Putin, and KJU what language are they speaking to each other?
>>2590373Native language with a translator with them.
Le Cheena is in le phaz Dee of le Khaptialism, as deskhribed by Engels in Ahnti-Duhring.
>>2590407
Kind of expensive for a Chinese military product but it seems to be more capable.
>>2590338Americas economy is dominated these days by the AI industry. So its basically over.
>>2590407
Tupolev 95 is superior to both of these.
>>2589892Nvidia only designs chips and all the actual manufacturing is done in "Taiwan." If reunification happens, Nvidia is toast. Nvidia is also responsible for most of US "GDP growth" this year, since the vast majority of US "GDP growth" is just AI startups doing AI research by burning through billions of dollars of GPUs they bought from Nvidia.
>>2590839AI and micochips are like the only flourishing US industry. If China takes Taiwan it's fucking over.
>>2590849The bad thing about being global hegemon is that events halfway around the world can hit you hard back home
>>2591554we did it reddit, a UN that actually helps people
>>2591736Trump keeps saying every energy metric is increasing but all it is is gasoline. Natural gas and electricity production and affordability is deteriorating.
>>2589766they want a figure to deeply reform but not abandon the system
China is in phase D of capitalism as described by Engels in Anti-Duhring.
>>2591947
No
What's the essential /CHINA/ readings, bros?
>>2592025The governance of China, by Xi Jinping
China is going to be forced into playing the role the Soviet Union played in WWII, the US will force it. The longer China denies the need for a new Warsaw pact with itself at the helm the more they will lose the Belt and Road.
>>2592029new ComInform just dropped
>>2592031More like a UN that's actually more like the UNs original intended role. AKA, a threat to western foreign policy.
>>2592032The UN was literally a western creation to protect western interests, the Soviet Union should have refused to recognize it
>>2592032>UNs original intended role. AKA, a threat to western foreign policy.?????
>>2592034At the time, USSR thought they could initiate an era of cooperation with the western powers. For example they willingly gave up control over the southern part of Korea for the US to administer post-war because the thought was that the Soviet zone and the US zone would both cooperate and peacefully join together under a democratic constitution.
>>2592032are you getting mixed up with the non aligned movement because the first UN mission was to defeat the communists in korea
>>2592046>>2592048I'm talking about literally the first few months of the UNs existence. Roosevelt era 1945 foundation. It was a brief, idealist desire to maintain a balance of power. Of course it was never going to play out the way the Soviets wanted it to, but the Chinese ironically support the purpose of the UN more than the Americans.
>>2591554>Iran>Coobah>Pookistan>DPRKvery based list
>>2592051They should be able to recognize that the structure of the UN is not fit for its supposed purpose, there’s two ways to move forward, either removing the US from the security council and the UN entirely (they’ll probably do this themselves), or to exit the UN themselves and pressure every BRI partner to follow them on creating a new international governing body from scratch
>>2592068It's way more than that. It's 40 different nations.
>>2592068>>2592071>We are pleased to announce the establishment of the Group of Friends of Global Governance, comprising the following 43 countries: Antigua and Barbuda, Belarus, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People's Democratic Republic, Lesotho, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Niger, Pakistan, Palestine, Samoa, Senegal, Solomon Islands, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. >>2592081>>2591554What are the implications of this? Sounds based but also like a nothingburger at the same time.
>>2592086It's part of Chinas overarching policy of trying to "dehegemonising" the world.
Honestly kind of embarrassing to see people actually excited at what might be the most nothingburger nothingburger to ever nothingburger.
>>2592081>no VietnamFucking wreckers to the world Communist movement.
>>2592100You mean besides the rest of human history?
>>2592103Vietnam is sadly very much in Americas orbit.
>>2592100honestly embarrassing for you to suck away any optimism with your chud non-materialist mentality
>>2592257No Brazil either.
>>2592257>>2592263They probably said no.
>>2592319We already have that for potato computers. Easy Red 2.
>>2592320isn't that one Italian and focusing largely on the western front? this is an actual Chinese game with a communist perspective
>>2592319>kinocalm down, its just a chinese medal of honor
>>2592326Yeah but I like easy red 2.
>>2592329>medal of honor but you play as communistssounds kino
>>2592688Wtf happened to Italy lol. When the Soviet Union fell they were the 4th largest economy
>>2592034UN includes Soviet propositions such as veto power. On top of that, USSR got 3 votes instead of 1, although it was a compromise
>>2592783Could be the imported slave labor from India and living in squalor bringing per-capita numbers down. 90% of people living there are not citizens.
Why didnt Mao just critically support Khrushchev instead of flipping out and declaring the USSR the biggest enemy of socialism when it clearly that was not the case? Was he senile by that point?
>>2593353I honestly do not know. I should read about Mao to learn why. Imagine if he didn't support Pol Pot. Or invaded Vietnam. Or became autistically obsessed over tiny spits of sand in the South China Sea. Or became crazily obsessed with lessening the USSRs global influence. The USSR might still be in existence. Vietnam would not be swayed by American orbit. Fuck knows. All I know is Xi needs to somehow repair the relationships Mao fucked.
le go away :3
>>2593359Why is my question doing great man theory? Mao was indeed the one responsable for deciding if the PRC should critically support revisionist USSR or antagonize it and he chose the latter. This doesnt imply that the
circumstances we are discussing are all the result of Mao or Khrushchev. Naming the names of the heads of state of an specific historic moment isnt doing great man theory.
China should do more to get south east asian nations on side. My theory is the US is trying to influence south east asia to stay within their economic and political orbit because they know they can't defeat China militarily so its attempting to strip it of friends in asia.
>>2593353because the ussr broke agreements with them and started behaving like retards with them while damaging their and the whole communist movement credibility with their historical revisionism, and they had to justify the realignment with usa instead
>>2593377Maybe they should stop trying to infringe on China's territorial integrity in the South China Sea then.
>>2593431
So? Fight against it.
>>2593433> stop trying to infringe on China's territorial integrity in the South China Sea then.Oh for fuck sake this is the gayest territorial dispute in the world. China should just accept some islands are Vietnamese and the Vietnamese should accept some islands are Chinese. It's just spits of sand. Communists should be pragmatic and not argue about this pointless reactionary shit.
>>2593434China will always place territorial integrity over appeasing other countries. Maybe you should read up on the Second Sino-Japanese War if you don't know why that is.
>>2593436China literally has done your genius never-before thought of idea of just surrendering to Vietnamese claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%E1%BA%A1ch_Long_V%C4%A9_IslandHas Vietnam conceded anything to China in kind? No! So please stop pretending like it's all China's fault and China's the bully for not just unilaterally giving everything up for nothing.
>>2593444That's one island. The article you just posted says Vietnam and China are cool with the decision. There are obviously more islands under Vietnamese control.
>>2593436>Communists should be pragmatic and not argue about this pointless reactionary shit.No we clearly need even more nationalism.
>>2593472we had more than enough nationalism in the sino-soviet split can we stop please
>>2593486
Because Xi represents the centre of the CPC and is more pragmatic. And they have no need for nationalism because the nations doesn't need imperialism to survive.
>>2593367It wasnt maos decision. It was chinas ruling class decision. And what is the ruling class of china?
>>2593565Top party officials.
>>2593729No. Wrong. Try again.
>>2593740Thats working class mate.
>>2593757Nah. I am right. They are salaried workers.
>>2593763Exlusive class of elite "workers" who have control both the state and the economy.
>>2593766Yep. Still workers. Thats called division of labour.
>>2592319I usually don't like photo-realism in games but they managed to make it look good (in the trailer at least)
>>2593774If I can use the house, kick you out of the house, and decide who lives in the house after me, I am the owner of the house, even if a piece of paper says "the peoples house".
Consider le following:
>>2593728>>2593807>but what if <counterfactual hypothetical>nta btw
>>2593807And? If you do your function for a salary you are a worker.
>>2593832Marx didn't define class by the form of payment but by relation to production. If you hold a monopoly on the means of production and the worker holds nothing there is conflict of class interest.
>>2593852Nomenklatura members didnt own means of production as private property. They are salaried employees. Just like foremans and bosses who are paid wages.
>>2593868CEO or floor manager is a servant who can be fired by the bourgeoisie owners. The Nomenklatura had no owners above them. Nomenklatura owns the state apparatus collectively and the state owns the property.
>>2593946Libertarian nonsense. Americans are in particular traumatised by their state, therefore they tend to imagine the state as a thing unto itself, and invisible, indiscernable, undrainable swamp-like bureaucracy (nobody knows specific names of) as THE enemy of a common man, preventing him from success in life. Nomenklatura was this stupid idea, but adopted by Soviets, with National Characteristics.
Libertarian, but red. Same degree of stupid
>>2593949
that's because the cultural revolution was a badly organised failure
>>2593986I'd say 60% bad 40% good. For comparison, I hold Stalin at 70% good 30% bad.
>>2594013It wouldn't have been bad, at all, if there was just a monicker of discipline. Mao just told millions of ecstatic armed students to "go out and get rid of the reactionary elements" with no guidelines or organisation. Killing people for not liking mangos. Mao was the worlds greatest anarchist, fucking AnComs not nothing on him.
>>2594025>revolutionary minded students were acting like banditsYou are a reactionary.
>>2593976Ah yes lets resort to ad hominems and strawmen. Very fruitful discussion.
>>2594031were the other red guards killing other red guards also reactionaries
>>2594076You are repeating anti-communist propaganda.
>>2594107No. Just the partyline of the CPC.
>>2594073nomenklatura is just bureaucrats, and the idea that bureaucrats=owners is fucking stupid, its a different relation, what else is there to say than to call you stupid
>>2594236On that note are there any good videos going into detail on chinese administrative systems? It's been something I wanted to pick apart at a technical level for a while now
Central Economic Work Conference concludes; Five Musts and Eight Key Tasks; US-Japan-China; H200s
https://sinocism.com/p/central-economic-work-conference-100?
>The Central Economic Work Conference concluded Thursday. I have posted a full translation of the readout here. There were no surprises as it mostly fleshed out what we saw from the Monday Politburo meeting readout, and no indications of more aggressive stimulus measures or a shift in the currency policy, but it is an important and interesting document. All members of the Politburo Standing Committee attended, Xi gave a speech and Li Qiang summed up the meeting.
>The politics may be at least as interesting as the readout. Politburo member Ma Xingrui was not shown in the CCTV report of the meeting, which per protocol shows the Politburo members and other officials in attendance. Ma was also missing from the CCTV report of the November Politburo study session, so the rumors that he is under investigation look more likely to be correct. This X account also noted that Xu Xueqiang, head of the Equipment Development Department of the Central Military Commission (CMC), and Wang Renhua, Secretary of the Political and Legal Affairs Commission of the CMC, were absent. So the purges continue…Five musts:
>We must fully tap into economic potential; we must adhere to both policy support and reform and innovation; we must ensure we can both “let go to vitalize” and “manage well”; we must insist on closely combining investment in physical assets with investment in human capital; and we must rely on practicing our “internal skills/internal energy 练内功” to cope with external challenges.Eight key tasks:
First, persist in domestic demand as the driver and build a strong domestic market.
Second, persist in innovation-driven development and accelerate the cultivation of new momentum.
Third, persist in overcoming reform challenges, enhancing the momentum and vitality of high-quality development. Formulate regulations for the construction of a unified national market and deeply rectify “involution-style” competition.
>Fourth, persist in opening up and promote win-win cooperation in multiple fields.
>Fifth, persist in coordinated development and promote urban-rural integration and regional linkage.
>Sixth, persist in the guidance of “Double Carbon” goals and promote comprehensive green transformation.
>Seventh, persist in prioritizing people’s livelihood and strive to do more practical things for the masses.
>Eighth, persist in holding the bottom line and actively and properly resolving risks in key areas.These are just the bullet points. The article has excerpts which are much more in depth.
>>2592270Why would they say no? They're already founding members of BRICS
>>2594440Xi knows Cucktin is a westaboo so he cant be trusted.
>>2594578Here goes the rare earths deal with the American MIC lol
>>2594155>its different relationIn what way?
>youre heckin stupidAmazing arguments.
>>2588019California suggested putting these over their aqueducts and canals and they only have a prototype.
>>2594736I almost feel sad for americans.
>>2594581>In what way?<cant sell it for personal gain<dont get profits from it<can get fired<cant decide everything about itthat you couldnt find that out yourself show that you're truly an irredeemable moron
>>2595246>shifting precipitationthat was literally the plan with planting tons of trees to fight back desert.
Literally "China geo engineering is working, the horror!"
https://web.archive.org/web/20251213135148/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/12/13/world/asia/cia-nuclear-device-himalayas-nanda-devi.htmlapparently CIA lost a whole bunch of plutonium in indian mountains trying to spy on china
and its now a risk if it ever start leaking into the water as it could poison the gange
>Captain Kohli said he tried his best to find it. He organized another search mission in 1967 and again in 1968. The team used alpha counters to measure for radiation, telescopes to scan the snow, infrared sensors to pick up any heat and mine sweepers to detect metal. They found nothing. They knew the device had to be somewhere on the mountain but couldn’t tell where.>Mr. McCarthy believes it “buried itself in the deepest part of the glacier.”>“That damn thing was very warm,” he said, explaining that it would melt the ice around it and keep sinking. >>2595715is it really fair to characterize fusion as "limitless" energy? It's extremely abundant energy not "limitless"
>>2595745it's an exageration, but for human timescales and at civilizational scales, it might as well be
>>2595739So it's going to get unearthed as global warming progresses?
>>2595984What a hilariously shitty investment.
>>2595984If someone wrote this i would call them retarded and tell them never to put pen to paper again.
Reality gives me a headache.
>>2596143
He's a very poor baiter.
>>2596298actually this is not THE new stealth bomber per se, it's an unmanned drone bomber.
>>2596143
Yes. And?
>>2596143
How are you doing son of the revolutionary? Hows papa?
>>2596163Which post do you consider as bait?
>>2595984why does china allow this?
>>2595984this prolly some immortality obsessed/ revolution paranoid piggie. Either he's planning on cementing his legacy through multitude of children upon which one will be extremely loyal and/or in the case of revolution where people are liberating his assets, he just launders it to 1000s of his children in an effort to say fuck you. its probably a mixture of both moreso on the immortality side cause what the fuck
>>2596392he's not breaking any law, if anything this is more of a nuisance for the US
>>2596380I was dead serious in all of them.
>>2596618What could have been…
>>2596312>>2596316Only people with BBC allowed ITT, u smol
>>2596695Wrong. China is red.
>>2596697Red and black, ancom in praxis.
>>2595248uygha it's like you've never heard of sparrows. improving the environment is complex and your post is a dumb as the article you're replying to.
please ensure your role in the revolution is on the frontlines.
>>2596841Sparrows aren't a significant problem in China anymore.
>>2596881Lots of people in China.
>>2596884Its basically a flop in the US and I didnt find the movie to be explicitly tailored towards a Chinese audience.
>>2596392They still do arranged marriage over there, having kids for the purpose of marrying them off to wealthy men why wouldn't they allow this?
>>2596881china big money for lots of people to see furry flick
>>2596854That does not respond to the point - we have historical examples of noble attempts to improve the environment result in unforeseen catastrophe.
>>2596881imagine liking cops
>>2596881Judy is a young person from the countryside that moves to the big city, almost every single person in china has done this so it resonances with them
>>2596894solar panels are like bad mkay
>>2596895Judy is a cop, almost every single person in china and france loves the police
>>2596900Stay calm, you appear to be experiencing a stroke. Please post your address immediately so we can call an ambulance to assist you.
>>2596904Judy is an ignorant racist, this resonates with all these countries but not the USA.
>>2596886Interesting. The figures weren't in your list for any kind of comparison. Personally I don't go to movie theaters that much at all anymore. Feels like a huge waste of time and money. I don't usually watch movies at home either tho.
Obvious reasons why it would perform better in China vs. other films is that it's non-humanoids so it's not like they're watching a film about White people. Once it's redubbed it probably feels like it could be a domestic production.
>>2596895Interesting. Also, the movie revolves around snakes.
>>2596904Judy stops 2 major racist controversies in the two movies. I wish westoid cops actually did that instead of the opposite.
Does anyone have that crazy image from a chinese twitter account that was a hammer and sickle black sun from mainland china attacking an outline of taiwan filled in with the lgbt, israeli, and american flag? I need it for reasons
>>2597130I would have left him a Labubu.
PRC is in stage D(ick) of capitalist as written in Duhring.
>>2596679Ah shit
You peeped into your mother's room and saw my smol cock
Well thats the best your mama can get, sorry
>>2596392Well there's a reason he's having all the surrogates in the US
>>2597032That is some really clever marketing to make it about snakes and time the release with the snake year
>>2597120average ACP post
China has received a batch of Russian-provided evidence related to the infamous Unit 731, a Japanese germ-warfare unit that operated during World War II, China's Central Archives said on Saturday.
The archive copies from Russia include trial records of Unit 731 members, investigation reports on the unit's crimes, and internal official correspondence of Soviet authorities, covering the period running from May 11, 1939 to December 25, 1950.
During World War II, the Japanese invading forces established a biological warfare network across multiple Asian countries, with Unit 731 located in Harbin, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, serving as a top-secret base for biological weapons and human experiments.
At least 3,000 people from China, the Soviet Union and other countries and regions were used in human experiments conducted by Unit 731.
According to China's Central Archives, the archives provided by Russia reveal the Soviet investigation process during the early stage of the Khabarovsk War Crimes Trials in 1949, identifying more than 200 individuals linked to the crimes of Unit 731, and ultimately singling out 12 war criminals for public trials.
These individuals confessed to violating international conventions and to preparing and carrying out biological warfare.
Experts believe that these archives provide concrete historical evidence of Japan's biological warfare crimes in China, further confirming that Japan's biological warfare was a top-down, state-organized war crime and offering irrefutable proof for restoring historical truth.
total xi jinping thought victory
>>2598717This must have involved so much planning from Hollywood that is unusual from a capitalist standpoint.
>>2600000Numbers: checked.
Message: fact checked.
Content: true ✅
>>2600000Why do capitalists exist under communism? Because they serve the state, and not the other way around. This is basic stuff. Read Deng.
>>2600000quints confirm the mandate of heaven
>>2600000anti-chinasisters…. not like this
>>2600176I honestly don't understand why foreign Marxists don't seriously attempt to import Dengism. It's the natural class position of champagne socialists, meaning you generate lots of class traitors who bring capitalism down from the inside.
>>2600419Western chauvinism
Chynah is in le phase D of le capitalisme as described by le Engels in le Anti-Duhring
>>2600419Because it's social democracy, and we already have that
>>2600862le interimperialist war
>>2600746>>2600754how dialectical materialism explains this phenomenon of
>only 29 days to collapsewhy do westerners indulge in this behaviour?
>>2600960Wtf Deng did not answer Wallace's question at all. Was Dengus senile?
>>2601265Why do they try to make Xi look so scary
>>2601689>Western man asks if Deng meets two dead man after death.>implies there is heaven>heaven>Dengs answers stating he is a Marxist, answers in a materialist manner>called a senilewesterners can't see beyond "thou art in heaven". They are never ready for communism.
>>2600777wtf happened to the blue line
>>2601689He answered his question directly anon, are you stupid?
>>2600960Soft version is just seek state control of capital, China is 30-40% of national wealth, Norway is 55-60% of national wealth.
If Norway just admitted they were market socialist and planned like that (porkies kicked to tech sector and regulated for non-rentier production), they'd be AES or pretty close to it, if you accepted Dengist market socialism.
>>2601949Except not at all.
>>2601265>why do westerners indulge in this behaviour?they are all mentally ill
>>2601949not really. owning wealth is not the same as commanding production, allocating credit or wielding political power.
norway is more like an oil state without aims to rapidly advance the productive forces (a marxist dictum) like you see with china or the former soviet union. and their major banks are privately owned, their major non-oil companies, outside of Equinor (oil and gas) which is 67% state owned, are privately owned. news media is largely privately owned, etc. big difference from AES countries like vietnam, china or cuba.
and equinor is partially state owned with the government being more like a very large pension fund that owns a controlling stake. their role is basicaly more of a shareholder. they appoint some board members but they don't manage the day to day operations so it's run like a publicly listed company with professional management and the decisions are largely market driven. meanwhile, China National Petroleum Corporation is 100% state owned, run by party cadres, and markets are secondary to state/industrial policy goals.
by the way, a lot of norway's national wealth comes from global financial assets (not productive capital) that they invested through their sovereign wealth fund. 70% of it is stocks (25% of it being bonds) in index-tracking investments where it generates returns but the companies in those index remain independently run and market-driven.
Do not let the team down tonight, Comrade Xi.
>>2601949Well you can say the same about Gulf petrostates like Saudi Arabia, but their state ownership of domestic companies means less compared to China since
1. They are small countries heavily integrated into the Western system and as such much of their economy is reliant on foreign companies. While the Norwegian state owns a lot of stuff due to profits from oil and their sovereign wealth fund, they cannot be considered an independent power and are inextricable from the rest of the Western bloc which is much more privately-owned.
They also have an electoral democracy which is a big issue because
2. Lobbying is legal and extremely prevalent in Norwegian politics which allows the aforementioned foreign companies from the rest of the Western bloc to have significant influence on the Norwegian state, which significantly compromises it from acting in the interests of the Norwegian people's welfare first and foremost.
3. As mentioned by another anon, their media is privately owned and often foreign-owned as well, which can be used by both domestic and foreign capitalists to shape the opinion of the masses to achieve a desired outcome in elections, and the mainstream media has huge control over public opinion since it's where most people get their information.
>>2602264Though actually on second thought Saudi Arabia is different from Norway, the state has full control there apart from being compromised by being militarily dependent on America. But ofc they can't be considered socialist in any way since they're a theocratic monarchy who are even less progressive than the capitalists.
>>2602148Basically if Rodt and SV were Norway's PAP (Singapore) this would be the AES social democracy. But they're not; the Norwegian polity is de facto schizophrenic because they have all the parts needed for AES under social democracy, but it's not simply that the MLs are not in charge, but that ML memes aren't common.
Here's to the comrades seeking to make Norway the world's first nominal market socialist monarchy.
>>2602282They still overlap quite a bit with Norway in terms of the economic base. Saudi Arabia's major banks are privately owned so the state doesn't command credit and the banks operate on market logic. Meanwhile in AES countries like China or Vietnam, the banks are state owned and the loans and funding are set through five year plans that shape industrial policy and set strategic direction, often through "policy banks" that do not care about profit; the priority is state goals. Like Norway, Saudi Arabia's major non-oil companies are privately owned. Oil companies like Aramaco are state owned but they operate under corporate management similar to Norway's Equinor, meaning they're run by professional managers and not directly by the government day to day. They operate under market principles, being largely profit driven. Chinese oil SOEs are directed to implement state and Party priorities, with profits subordinate to industrial or strategic objectives. Saudi Arabia also has a market operated wealth fund like Norway that invests globally in stock indexes and private equity. Where the two countries differ would be the superstructure like you said. Norway's superstructure is liberal democratic, with a parliamentary system, an "independent media," and bourgeoise legal rights. Saudi Arabia’s superstructure is monarchical and religious. They have a state-dominated media but the state ideology is Wahhabi Islam. Their legal and social systems are based on Sharia. Obviously, neither states have AES five year style planning that commands companies or allocate credit to rapidly advance the productive forces in order to progress towards deeper socialist horizons based on the theories of historical materialism and dialectical materialism.
>>2602544jesus dude someone get this woman some calories
>>2602546engie engie engie engie !
>>2602546This is what normal ppl look like, Amerifatt
>>2602896Good. Waste more precious military material you can't replace. Good.
It's not going to do shit.
>>2602950They are "protecting" a place that is about to become economically irrelevant (chip race) with military arsenal they can not replace (and is already inferior to the Mainland's) while watching a geopolitical map that made them conclude they already lost in the Western front (Ukraine).
They are doing everything backwards, too late, and counter-productively. Quite a sight.
>>2602950>>2603163Why are they selling? All they will get is money. What will they do with money?
>>2603170So they are selling to spend money?
>>2603174What good is spending money?
>>2603178to buy and produce commodities
>>2603180Commodities arent produced from money
>>2603180Why buy commodities if one can produce them?
Why is china trading if it is the worlds biggest manufacturer? They can make everything they need.
>>2603221the aim is global autarky, not local autarky
world communism or nothing
>>2603244Why are they giving commodities for money instead of sending chinese engineers and managers for money? They say it is better to teach fishing than give fish. They are not making others similar them by just giving out stuff for money
>>2603252>Why are they giving commodities for money instead of sending chinese engineers and managers for money?They do both for free and for money, or even debt that they then forgive (free + diplomatic favour).
Dunno what's your problem here.
>>2602544Is this the Chinese version of those terrible self made commercials from American small businesses? Jones BBQ and foot massage type shi.
>>2603368Extremely based
When they flood the market with cheap CPUs, GPUs, and RAM it will truly be a godsend.
>>2603400What are you talking about?
>>2603402EUVs are used in chip production.
ASMLs stranglehold on the market will be gone when China emerges with state enterprise funding for cheap computer parts and floods western markets with them.
>>2603504This is a byproduct of overpopulation and incel like behaviour. Sexism cuts both ways.
>>2603433I mean, Nvidia has 75% gross margins, and is believed to have 400-900% markups on their chips. ASML has 30% margins and has around a 50% markup on their EUV machines.
Even if Chinese EUV machines aren't that good, they'll likely be low margin and benefit from economies of scale; I expect Chinese EUV to settle 1-1.5 nodes behind Western High NA, but be substantially cheaper, up to 60-70% cheaper.
>>2603504>proponents of 6B4T envision a spectrum of gender identities that transcends conventional categories, sending a strong and clear message against misogyny and sexism.>Within China, the 6B4T community seeks to reclaim agency and autonomy from oppressive systems, fostering solidarity and empowerment among traditionally marginalized groups, such as lesbian and transgender people. Leave it to the only real communists on earth to actually advance feminist theory instead of falling for the same transgender-hating obsession (and off-the-record exclusion of racial minority women) that has gripped and paralyzed western "radical" feminism for the past 10 years.
It feels unreal looking at you Chinese people across the pacific go into truly revolutionary and radical theory, as you're a real civilization with progress and change instead of being trapped in an end-of-history neoliberal daydream-nightmare like us burgers
>>2603541Nodes are a marketing ploy since like 10 years ago. China, if they have good machines, can merely NOT downgrade half of their chip yield and easily get to Western outputs of high grade stuff.
>>2603555>Leave it to the only real communistsIt says nothing about "proponents of 6B4T" being communists, tho.
>>2603584True but the most right wing Chinese person is somehow more left wing than any lib or dem socialist in the west, because the Overton window is so fucked over here
>>26035556B4T is censored in China because it's a South Korean cultural import that portrays heterosexuality and procreation as evil and even though is critical of religion, enforces nun-like behaviour and creepy "sisterhoods".
In other words it's new age woo woo.
China
TikTok has signed the deal backed by President Donald Trump to spin off its US assets to create a new entity with a group of mostly American investors, CEO Shou Chew told employees in a memo Thursday.
Although the transaction is not yet complete, the move brings TikTok one step closer to securing its long-term future in the United States. It comes after a law passed last year required that the US version of the app be spun off from its parent company, ByteDance, or be banned in the United States. Trump repeatedly delayed enforcement of the law as he pursued a deal to transfer control of the popular app to American ownership.
“We have signed agreements with investors regarding a new TikTok U.S. joint venture, enabling over 170 million Americans to continue discovering a world of endless possibilities as part of a vital global community,” Chew said in his memo, which was obtained by CNN. A person familiar with the company confirmed the memo’s accuracy.
Axios first reported the agreement.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/18/tech/tiktok-signs-us-sale-deal>>2603594>enforces nun-like behaviour and creepy "sisterhoods".Sounds like yuri heaven
Draft-dodger in Taipei just stabbed 7 people to death before jumping off a building.
>>2604672He got the order wrong
>>2603368ETA on cheap Chinese GPUs?
Xi status?
>>2605684We'll also need cheap chinese RAM now.
<"The bourgeoisie has proclaimed the gospel of the enjoyment of the world, of material enjoyment, and is now surprised that this doctrine finds adherents among us poor people; it has shown that not faith and poverty, but culture and possessions, make one blessed; we proletarians also understand this."
Anons… I'm thinking Deng was a Stirnerite.
>>2607083nothing, they are a non-issue
>>2603555> Applicants must identify as biologically female, reject romantic or sexual involvement with men, and commit to the 6B4T ethos in thought and practice.They're female to Hitler TERFs.
>>2603584China already has socialist superstructure, their "intuitive radicalism" is more progressive than the west's intuitive radicalism, which, under capitalist superstructure always reproduces petty bourg proudhonism.
>>2607083https://fujian.gov.cn/english/news/202510/t20251030_7028041.htmAll issues Communist China faces are paper tigers. All issues Communist China faces are being solved by the 15 year plan.
>>2606574nobody cares, tbh
>>2607083i think you should be killed, westoid
This is the only sane thread on leftypol.
100% of pro-China posters are sane.
100% of anti-China posters are insane.
will china make hydrogen work as a renewable energy source
Response to the yanks status?
>>2607393They will explore and apply it as a energy storage solution for niche applications, such as high energy processes, marine and aircraft systems, however hydrogen has already lost out against the battery during the personal vehicle battle, the truck battle and is about to lose the off-highway battle as well.
China went all-in on battery tech which is no surprise since hydrogen is almost is virtually another distraction instrumentalized by the old players, the gas and fossil fuel industry, as well as their adjacent chemical suppliers. Today the overwhelming majority of hydrogen comes from fossil gas extraction. Most Hydrogen is effectively a fossil energy source, as of today, and Green hydrogen is irrelevant and magnitudes less efficient than straight-up electric battery systems. All the hydrogen economy talk is basically one big coordinated lobbying effort of the Western combustion vehicle and fossil energy sectors. Trust me, I have worked in the industry.
>>2607404So a big house of cards that is going to collapse.
>>2607404I talked to a few researchers who worked in the hydrogen cult for years and what they told me is pretty much what you said.
And they are by no means 'leftists'. It's just a plain scientific fact at this point that hydrogen aint the big green deal.
China is in phase D of capitalism as described in anti-duhring
>>2607510can you summarise the phases for me please
>>2607566"Anti-Dengists" don't read. That's part of the meme
>>2607620Ok but there are no phases of crapitalism in Anti Duhring
I dont get the meme
Am i old?
China is already implementing the world's strictest electric vehicle battery safety standards, with new regulations taking effect next year (GB38031-2025), requiring that battery packs do not catch fire or explode for at least two hours (up from 5 minutes) after a thermal runaway event. Don't want explosive batteries ? Well China said just ban them, lol.
Unfortunately Western companies haven't caught up with Chinese tech and safety standards, so this will further cement China's domination in this sector making this measure basically a smart protectionist and safety move, ironic, isn't it?
>>2607653We gotta stop being surprised that Zhongguo is superior to the filthy west. There are hierarchies in life and the Chinese bureaucrat is clearly on top.
>>2607665until the USA shoves troops in there
>>2607691USA will have to stop paying for social security for millions to afford this deployment. China wins regardless of American response
>>2607711it won't have to. it will, but deployment cost will be an excuse not a legitimate reason. USA funds itself with funny money debt. no one will come collect because the USA hold the entire world hostage.
>>2607691What are you even talking about?
>>2607717Yeah, nah. Funny money debt going to finance military guys means that the military guys will eat instead of American workers. Or, in other owrds, social security cuts for millions, and China's eventual victory
>>2607734nah. living standards will drop further. but there will be no widespread famine. the usa can cut social security, health care, generally reduce the standard of living of it's people, but they will take it. and the USAs military operations around the world will continue
>>2607749Put 2 and 2 together. Consumer society in USA will die, but producer society will not return; how, exactly, USA is going to finance it's military? Funny money cannot will materiel into existance, increase in military spending will lead to decrease in consumption. What will USA do?
Oh, i know! They will fight Russia for the title of Resources Superpower! Rivalling Russia for the privilege of supplying China with resources, lmao
>>2607752i guess. eventually. it'll take decades though. maybe a century. but one thing is that unlike the PRC the USA can export materiel production to it's colonies.
>>2607759>USA can export materiel production to it's colonies.Lolno.
>it'll take decades though. maybe a century.Nah, a decade, by the way it's going. AI bubble bursting means the house of cards collapses, but there will be no recovery. It will be really cathartic seeing USA selling off aircraft carriers to pay for shipments of Huawei phones
>>2607771that is delusional
>>2607752I think what will happen is that the USA will crack down on the oppression and go beyond nazi germany in crimes against humanity. The consumer society in the USA will be the white christian manchildren who are given one woman to martial rape and abuse with no consequence, while anyone who is not in this demographic is mutilated, killed, experimented on, enslaved, given neuralink implants to torture them, etc.
There will probably be a neoliberal resurgence, briefly, in the US after trump passes away from old age, but this will crumble when the radical right wing zoomers/gen alpha just burn down everything and crush all competition because everyone left of hitler in america is a spineless, gormless, coward (trump and the right wing are correct about this, unfortunately)
This will last about 3-5 years, minorities like blacks or LGBTrans will get some concessions and lull themselves back into comfort, until it is violently taken away again and this time, never given back.
China will continue to evolve and will be the future of human civilization. You'll see genuine scifi shit in china: nuclear fusion, mars landing, cybernetics, transhumanism (bending race, sex, species, biological immortality) over the next 20-30 years. America will collapse inward on itself and eventually fling its their decaying stockpiles at russia while china gets to play world hero.
That's my prediction.
>>2607774Man, Russia just can't catch a break. Every big war, all the ire of imperialism gets thrown at Russia
>>2607771>It will be really cathartic seeing USA selling off aircraft carriers to pay for shipments of Huawei phonesYeah during dotcom bubble USA selling aircraft carriers was fairly common. USA navy never really recovered from this.
>>2607777Dotcom wasn't 90% of American GDP growth, though. Basically, AI is taking every ounce of American added product. What happens if all this investment turns to produce no profits?
>>2607776As Emmanuel Todd said, Russians cannot help themselves from saving the world.
>>2607774I just hope that the rest of the world will be ready for when America tries to take that fascist depravity beyond its borders. As much of a downward trend the US is on right now they are still probably very much capable of the sort of violence that Israel is committing towards Gaza.
>>2607691>until the USA shoves troops in thereThere already is a huge base on Diego García and Mauritius doesn't give a shit.
>>2607404so is all that chinese investment towards hydrogen vehicles, wasteful?
>>2607814This. The US can send troops, hell, they can even wage a long war with countries like Iraq or Afghanistan, but guess what? Iraq and Afghanistan are now part of China's Belt and Road Initiative. China is rebuilding the infrastructure in these countries and also building new hospitals, schools, roads, electric grids, and they are becoming more economically integrated with China. Chinese companies manage about two-thirds of current Iraqi oil production while the US ends up inheriting hostility and resentment due to the casualties they inflicted. This is why China does not do military intervention. By not spending money on costly wars like the USSR did with Afghanistan, China uses that money to focus further on developing its own domestic capacity which increases China's economic gravitional pull and compels other countries to work with China. Look at what happened when Milei came to power. Before winning the election, Milei called China an assassin and said he would not make deals with communists. His words were: "I am not going to do business with China. I am not going to do business with any communist." However, after being in power for a few months, Milei said said this about China: "We have a lot to do together, they’re great trade partners," Milei said. “The idea is to deepen the commercial relationship." "Well, sometimes one has to learn," Milei said, when asked about his new appreciation for China in office, eliciting laughs and applause from the audience. “Don’t you learn every day? Well, if I don’t learn, I hurt Argentines. I have extra pressure to learn fast.”
Another example, China's trade with the Philippines has significantly increased even as the recent Philippines government is much more pro-US than the last government. The Philippines can't escape China's economic gravity. That's because if imported parts and components are sourced from more expensive suppliers, the competitiveness of Philippine exports, particularly electronics, would be undermined. Nor does China try to export its ideology or demand political alignment. They export industrialization. In historical materialism, it is the advancement of the forces of productions that necessitate a historical progressive change to the relations of production. This means they quietly build the material preconditions and then let contradictions emerge locally in those countries. This allows change in relations of production to happen through class formation (ie farmers → industrial labor/proletariats), urbanization, cultural transformation, etc. China is not the visible cause as local elites and systems must resolve them. Also, governments accept infrastructure and industry far more easily than ideology. Populations welcome electrification.
>>2607623You didnt read anti-duhring
>>2608313>and isolated from the world Source?
>>2608348Milei producing soy. Makes perfect sense.
>>2606574there's a museum in shanghai at the location of the first party congress (一次大会址) as well as a ton of other stuff related to early cpc history since that was where the party was originally based
theres stuff in chongqing related to ww2, a few air raid shelters, if you have alipay you can go to nanshan (南山) which has a museum exhibit as well as some other ww2 era places
don't know as much about beijing though, you can book a free entry ticket through wechat to go to tiananmen square, but from my experience it will only work if you have a mainland chinese phone number, so you might have to buy a physical sim from china unicom when you get there
>>2607368 i care :)
>>2608400 (me)
soz it's 一大会址 not 一次大会址
>>2608348I think it's extremely naive to believe that the US won't resort to hard power and removing non-compliant governments if these trends continue. There were similar developments in the 50s and 60s with the NAM but they were thwarted by the US overthrowing the governments of their leading members.
Why is the OP image from a weird bot account? It posts like 50 times a day and has strange ideological inconsistencies.
>>2608288I just hope China doesn't become hegemonic like the US currently is. A gentle giant is still a giant, and Xi won't be around forever.
>>2602896The more equipment they put in Taiwan the better. It's within spitting distance of the mainland and its air defense will be saturated in the first hour and then wiped out in the next few hours while reloading, after which strategic and tactical bombing will be used to cheaply destroy everything else. If they put them in Japan or Guam it would be far better protected
>>2603584I suspect from the wording of the authors that they're liberal, with the constant signalling about "authoritarianism"
>>2608684radioactive levels of glow
no wonder Xi nips it in the bud
>>2604666This guy is a moron that hates "central planning" because "le innovation", retard.
>>2606574You can cross into North Korea near Beijing if you want to do something really interesting. Have to book with one of their tour guides though
>>2607404Hmm ok. But one advantage that hydrogen has is that unlike batteries it doesn't leak energy while sitting around doing nothing right?
>>2607653EV batteries catching fire isn't a huge concern since EVs already catch fire way less often than cars with combustion engines do(no surprise). This is mostly a PR move aimed to address the slander(mostly coming from unintelligent rightoid Americans) that Chinese EVs are unsafe because their batteries catch fire easily/they explode.
>>2607752No, if they supplied China with resources they'd have actual leverage. More likely that they go for a hail mary military solution
>>2608705*they'd have actual leverage so China won't allow that and will just keep depending on Russia for resources
>>2607777I think he's referencing when the USSR sold warships to Pepsi for Pepsi shipments
>>2608275No, it's useful to explore the tech for one day potentially making hydrogen-powered aircraft, as battery aircraft isn't really viable due to the battery weight/propellers not being efficient at airliner speeds and altitudes. Hydrogen is the only green(if it doesn't come from oil extraction) alternative to fossil fuel airplanes
>>2608313You're missing one thing, the destructive military force in question is beholden to China because it holds monopolies over crucial areas of its supply chain. The PLA on the other hand has an entirely self sufficient supply chain.
>>2606574Replying again but you could also visit Jinggangshan on the way from Shanghai to Chongqing if you have time.
>>2608959Hoxha still has the clearest, simplest dunk on 'Chinese marxism' retardation altogether. Both Mao's and Deng's quote in this pic… what the fuck? You could literally replace capitalism adn socialism with anything, replace market and commodity with anything… it does not make sense!
>>2608976>It is said that commodity production must lead, is bound to lead, to capitalism all the same, under all conditions. That is not true. Not always and not under all conditions! Commodity production must not be identified with capitalist production. They are two different things. Capitalist production is the highest form of commodity production. Commodity production leads to capitalism only if there is private owner-ship of the means of production, if labour power appears in the market as a commodity which can be bought by the capitalist and exploited in the process of production, and if, consequently, the system of exploitation of wageworkers by capitalists exists in the country. Capitalist production begins when the means of production are concentrated in private hands, and when the workers are bereft of means of production and are compelled to sell their labour power as a commodity. Without this there is no such thing as capitalist production.add it to the scroll
Yearly statistics are out
How Chinese view the world: over 90 percent of Chinese expect China to help shape a fairer global orderhttps://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202512/1351147.shtml>>2610207>fairer global order>fairI hate libs
>>2608984Thank god there is no private ownership of the means of production, and that labour power does not appear in the market as a commodity which can be bought by the capitalist.
>>2608694Decentralized planning does allow for more innovation though. It allows for people to start and participate in experiments of their own volition, without said experiments being imposed on the population as a whole. In general the question of centralization isn't binary. The degree of centralization necessary depends on how many people something implicates.
>>2610267The outlet is associated with the CPC, so either they're libs or you're throwing around words too much.
This association is why I don't fully trust the article, by the way. The CPC has an absolute ton of incentive to convince you that it's more popular than at maybe actually is. This isn't me being judging them, in practice virtually all media is propaganda. It's just something to keep in mind.
>>2610267If moral judgment can never outpace the economic order, why do people think the current order is unfair? And yet, even monkeys have a sense of fairness.
>>2610362I reread the article, and this paragraph scares me.
>Currently, protracted conflicts in many global hotspots pose a serious challenge to international security. Ninety-three percent of respondents expect China to take more action in mediating and coordinating international or regional hotspots, contributing to the maintenance of world peace and stability. Regarding global governance, 77 percent of respondents believe China is one of the "major leaders" or an "important participant" in global governance. Over 80 percent of respondents expect China to participate more and play a greater role in international affairs. Ninety-four percent of respondents expect China to contribute more to promoting the just development of the international order. Does this signal that China is looking to take a more US-like approach to global politics? I sure hope not.
>>2610267wow normal people use normal words instead of having your advanced understanding, cry me a river.
>>2610556>Does this signal that China is looking to take a more US-like approach to global politics? I sure hope not.I need chinese military bases in my country and I need them yesterday.
>>2610604I'll never understand people who want to go from one dick in the ass to another. You know that it's possible to live in a world where you don't have a dick up your ass, right?
>>2610600Yeah but then you call socdems in the west that support a "fair" healthcare subhumans.
>>2610367I just realised multipolaroids are utopian socialists with nationalist characteristics, lmao
>>2610637>You know that it's possible to live in a world where you don't have a dick up your ass, right?Not when a certain country has 900 military bases around the world and can bomb and embargo whoever they want while no one can do shit about it, a few chinese military bases maybe would help making the other side a little bit less trigger happy.
>>2610939You're missing the point. You should want
zero military bases.
China is in stage D of capitalism as described in anti-duhring
>>2610641I don't do that you schizo. go find an anon who actually said that.
>>2610643go do your simultaneous global revolution and abolish commodity production already.
>>2607623he's trolling
>>2608297provide evidence
>>2611229
What are the results?
>>2610963>ignore burger hegemony bro you should just want communism harderYou don't think Venezuela and Cuba would be doing better right now if there were chinese military bases around the region? Would that be "wanting a dick in your ass"? This "zero military bases" stage its simply not something thats going to materialize in our lifetimes.
>>2611157really interested in the answer to this btw
>>2611157nothing, guys? no follow up?
>>2612464You think Xi's gonna risk it all because of one (1) tanker?
You think Xi's gonna risk it all because of one (1) Maduro?
>>2612464There was some kind of China calling out USA for violating international laws over Venezuela
China lead for the tfr mod was arrested and now the chinese team has dissolved itself…..
>>2612472>>2612549I'm asking what happened to the people on the tanker. Were they kidnapped? Killed? sent back home empty handed?
>>2612578No clue. Pretty sure the standard thing whenever this happens is that they stay stranded on their ship
>>2612587tsmc and asml are super safe
It's a big nothingburger
Western imperial domination continues
>>2612587TSMC's location is uniquely beneficial. Basically, they were inbetween Japan, i.e. old developed capitalist nation, and China, main supplier of rare earths and consumer of chips for electronics.
>>2612598And I suppose the Philippines and Singapore were too far south from Japan to really make it worth it despite having seats at the UN unlike The Republic
Merry Christmas to my based Zhongguo enjoyers ♡
>>2612606Philippines are basically a South American country
>>2612617They have this awful political landlord class propped up by the US that positively refuses to invest in industry
>south korea landlords were wiped out or lost revelance
>taiwanese landlords were wiped out or lost revelance
>chinese landlords were wiped out or lost revelance.
<all three developed
>philiphine landlords werent wiped out but instead became more powerful
<philiphines didnt develop
hmm
>>2612637It’s actually all the CPP NPAs fault somehow
>>2612638DEATH TO THE PHILIPHINE LANDLORDS. TOTAL LANDLORD DEATH
Reminder, China is in phase D, as in deepthroat, of capitalism as described in Anti-Duhring by Friedrich Engel
>>2612582so they effectively are left to die with nobody to rescue them? that's even more fucked than burger troops just killing them.
>>2612836They will be remembered as proletarian heroes
>>2613015>not anti-duhring"Herr Eugen Duhring's Revolution In Science" is the original title of Anti-Duhring. The original sarcastic title was shortened to Anti-Duhring later on. Your text is not taken from the original Anti-Duhring, but from additions made in Socialism: Utopian and Scientific. China is not in the capitalist "phase" D (not a term Engel's uses, he is providing a sketch of Capitalism's natural historical evolution, not a planned phase) but has already had a proletarian revolution and is trying to build socialism.
>>2613156>>2613015you can even observe the full context of this "phase" D is
between roman numeral sections titled "capitalist revolution" and "proletarian revolution."
>>2613158Which phase is ameriqa in?
>>2612637the only true and organic exception to this rule is germany, kind of
>>2612587the pursuit of profits
and you have to remember that back then the prc wasn't a threat, they were practically american allies against the soviet union
>>2613196I think what he means is like japan, the ruling elite (which often included landords) recognized the necessity of industrialization. So some of them pushed for modernization, industrialization and progress. (not all of them of course. In the japan example, there was a civil war.)
>>2613194I argue japan was also kind of an exception too
How many days until papa Xi's new year address?
Sounds crazy, I know, but I think Xi-fans should at least consider the flaws of China's "Do nothing, win" strategy, and how it may paradoxically still lead to its undoing.
The US bourgeoisie knows it can't beat China in head-on conventional warfare. So, it doesn't.
Porky has put a lot of effort since the Vietnam War to avoid making Amerikkkans feels the impacts of US wars of aggression to great success. Despite the amount of conflicts the US is involved in as we speak, anti-war sentiment is negligable. There was nothing like the anti-war movement during Vietnam, which by itself wasn't even strong enough to end the war either. It was the Vietnamese who militarily defeated the US that ended the war.
Amerikkkan reliance on proxies and mercs is the key to maintain the Empire. If they can make China's neighbours fight them in their stead, they they can win, and have East Asia plundered, like they have plundered Eastern Europe since the 90s, to give capitalism another 50 years.
China has failed to counter this problem completely, letting country after country on their borders fall into US hands in recent years. Once friendly countries turned into enemies.
China's rebranded 'socialism in one country' strategy isn't enough to resist US aggression. The US doen't need to do much to blockade Chinese shipping, and block all imports from entering the mainland. Going from "random" drone boats sent from US vallal states, to airstrikes and piracy conducted by US forces themselves, which they have been training for through the recent attacks on Russian and Venezuelan ships.
China can't retaliate against this adequately, due to their lack of bases or proxies of their own around Amerikkkan territory.
China's complete neglegt of this danger may be its downfall. For all their greatness, they cannot last against a neval blockade, land siege and hybrid warfare, the US has been preparing for.
This is why solidarity is so important. Supporting comrades in other countries isn't about kindness. It ensures you will not be attacked by brothers turned against you.
Meanwhile, the global bourgeoisie has shown extreme amounts of solidarity amongst themselves, to great effectiveness. They are very unified, especially compared to the 1910s, unlike us.
>China wants to demonstrate its military capability in a peculiar way, reports the security policy site TWZ. Over the Christmas holidays, images of a heavily armed cargo ship have spread on social media. TWZ estimates that with these images, China is clearly signaling its readiness to convert vessels from its huge merchant fleet into floating missile platforms.
>Based on the images, the cargo ship is equipped with containers housing missile systems and sensors. The site describes the ensemble as appearing improvised but convincing. TWZ, as well as Naval News which also reported on the vessel, have identified from the images at least 48 missile launch systems, a CIWS point-defense system, and at least three decoy launching systems. The vessel also carries several radar and surveillance systems.https://www.twz.com/sea/chinese-cargo-ship-packed-full-of-modular-missile-launchers-emerges
<According to estimates by U.S. maritime authorities and defense experts, China has over 5,500 ocean-going merchant vessels at its disposal. Since this is a modular system based on standard shipping containers, it could theoretically be installed on a large portion of this fleet. China also has legislation (e.g., from 2015) mandating that civilian vessels be built in a way that allows them to be converted for military use if necessary. >>2613859
What purpose does your one-liner posts serve?
Proletarian or bourgeois?
>>2613870>Xi-fans should at least consider the flaws of China's "Do nothing, win" strategyChina does like a million things every year geo-economically/politically and the whole "Do nufin' win" is a fucking meme that highlights the complete dysfunction of the Western establishment.
That you fell for memes instead of thorough analysis is your own personal problem.
Could you remove yourself from this thread in the future, until you actually developed the necessary critical skills and acquired knowledge necessary to judge China and keep silent until you do, or will you keep posting your blog based on hogwash until your World Order Falls, and admit bitter defeat?
fucking unintelligent and lazy scum
>>2613876>mandating that civilian vessels be built in a way that allows them to be converted for military use if necessary.Wasn't this about them having strong enough ramps and weight capacity to transport military personnel and equipment for landings? Or did I misremember that?
>>2613876China won't play with Yemeni pirates, damn
>>2614076China still has the death penalty in place for drug dealers.
>>2614082>>2614076Reactionary content, only tolerated because this site's mods are from reactionary countries, where this is "normal."
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>>2613870As another person said, "Do nothing, win" is just a funny meme. A better phrasing would be "Be/do Wu wei, win", which is just the typical daoist mentality of chinese strategic thinking. It means going with the flow, don't force things because the blowback can be worse. Also China as mentioned before is constantly doing things in the background. The west is just so alienated from processes of production that they don't notice these things until it is too late, see Made in China 2025 or the progress in the semiconductor industry. The language barrier doesn't help either. Those in the west who can translate are mostly shitlib/ cuckservative media Cuck-Asian representatives, who lack the necessary technical expertise.
>>2613186It's not a phase, mom, as already elaborated in the posts you didn't read. Engels isn't calling these "phases" just the anon who uses "phase D from anti-Duhring" as a forced meme. Capitalism is unplanned anarchy of production and doesn't have planned phases.
>>2613186America is in phase D too, same as China.
>>2613870for every good hearted comrade here: this faggot a new thread with this exact post in OP
they are so desperate for (you)s that they will keep doing this
>>2614175here:
>>2613865he posts under the "Socialism" flag as OP so I'm thinking he must be a Westoid """soc"""dem. >>2607773nta, It is not delusional that the US will have a century happened to it in a decade.
>>2614175>she doesn't know about phase Dngmi
>>2613876Huge if true. This basically decouples Chinese VLS cell counts from military ships; militia launchers are indefensible, but China can likely reach 10k + VLS cells in months if it wants to.
More important is large hypersonic launchers, i.e, the problem is that if civilian cargo ships can't expect to be survivable, you just defend them under tiered air defense by the PLAN and PLAAF and have them take hypersonic potshots.
Militia cargo ships and VLS launchers basically allow China to snap its fingers, move trained Chinese militia into the shops, and get quick VLS overmatch not only against the US, but the entire US alliance network in East Asia, and even possibly NATO.
1000 ships with 48 VLS are potentially 48000 VLS cells, which probably exceeds the total VLS capacity of the planet at present.
>>2615221It’s not progressive unless you’re an extinctionist malthusian
>>2615228>you must live how I tell you to'no'
whachu gonna do bout it big boy?
>>2615235You will die alone and no one will pay for your retirement or take care of you. A society that cannot reproduce itself is doomed to die, you’ve let modernity turn you into a eunuch
>>2615238>You will die aloneEverybody does, fyi. It's not like your family offers to die with you. lmao
>no one will pay for your retirement or take care of youThe state will.
>A society that cannot reproduce itself is doomed to dieMake society better then and stop putting the blame on individuals. It's that simple.
<if you don't reproduce you r eunuchYou realize that people have sex all the time without the intention of reproducing, right?
incel vibes
Where does the believe that China is detached culturally from the rest of the world come from? The most anticipated movies there are Avengers 5 and Dune 3.
>>2615284It’s less that China is detached from the world, and more that the world is detached from China
>>2615284>Dune 3Based China making sure that my favored holllywood slop keeps being made. The DUNC must flow.
Materially, China is fascist. The class antagonism between bourgeois and proletariat still exists, they've just added another layer of control on top of it. Instead of a proletariat being opressed by the ruling bourgeois, they have a proletariat oppressed by the bourgeois who are oppressed by the CPC. They have not meaningfully solved the problem of capitalism, but instead obfuscated it.
>inb4 the CPC says it's communist
Anyone can say anything. Do you believe goth kids when they tell you they're werewolves? You have a brain and five perfectly good senses, what's it going to take for you to actually use them?
>inb4 the CPC is ideologically committed to communism
Even if they do think they're "ideologically commited" to communism, that doesn't mean shit. People are driven by their own material self-interest first and foremost. The CPC's party leadership has no material incentive to improve things for the Chinese people. At most, it might absorb its bourgeois into itself, achieving state capitalism. But even then, despite what some people seem to think, state capitalism on its own does not mean that the state has any incentive to wither away. On the contrary, in China's situation, the state would have all the incentive in the world to strengthen itself in such a situation.
>inb4 the CPC represents the proletariat
It doesn't. It represents itself. Representative democracy has already proved to not actually be very representative, and the CPC is structured in such a way that the people with the most sway over the direction the party takes are the people already entrenched in it, meaning the bureaucracy has very little incentive to be receptive to the needs of anyone but its own leadership.
>inb4 China's prosperous right now
So? That has absolutely zero bearing on whether or not they're on the path to communism.
>inb4 they're better than the US
This is the only argument I can even slightly abide, but even then, it's the same retarded logic that democrats use to try to get leftists to vote for them.
I'm getting sick of this site. I've seen the same stupid fucking nonsense posted over and over again, and the more theory I actually study, the more I realize just how stupid and nonsensical it is.
>>2615574Why did you copypaste my post and remove the backlinks?
>>2612637My hottest political take is that the USA would be a backwards shithole without the American Civil War and emancipation.
>>2615574>Anyone can say anything.Why and how did this become the hill to die on for believers in capitalist China?
>>2615574>they have a proletariat oppressed by the bourgeois who are oppressed by the CPCSo, to you, a state is a thing unto itself ala
>>2615585 This is wrong. State that oppresses bourgeoisie inevitably draws it's strength from some class - so which one is it?
>The CPC's party leadership has no material incentive to improve things for the Chinese people.Yet they do. Curious
>It represents itself.CPC is the third class? Yikes
>That has absolutely zero bearing on whether or not they're on the path to communism.Socialism is economically superior to capitalism. As simple as.
>This is the only argument I can even slightly abide, but even then, it's the same retarded logic that democrats use to try to get leftists to vote for them.China doesn't have democrat track record, though.
0 out of 5 correct arguments. Impressive
China is in phase D of capitalism as described by Engels in Anti-Duhring.
>>2615612You'll get your first laugh eventually if you post it enough.
>>2615640why are redditoids still banging on about this thing
>>2615640I thought the Three Gorges Dam flood would conquer all of China. Kind of dissapointed in this subpar map painting
>>2615585Read ᴉuᴉlossnW. That is, in fact, a very large part of what fascism attempts to do.
>>2615593Let me flip it on you: why is it that when people want to defend China's communist status, the first thing they jump to is
>according to the constitution of the CPC, China is…>>2615596>[The] CPC is the third class?If you want to be technical, they're bourgeois. State capitalism implies state bourgeois. But they're a different segment of the bourgeoisie than the non-stated bourgeois.
>YikesErm, what the sigma? Epic fail! *Snap* I'm adding that to my cringe compilation! The cake is a lie!
>Socialism is economically superior to capitalism. As simple as.If you mean a centralized economy, I broad-strokes agree. It's why China is so prosperous right now. But there's a difference between implementing socialist economics, and putting in place a system that will one day lead to the conditions for a classless, stateless society.
>>2615648Redditoids need a map projection of what would happen if a terrorist cargo ship blocks Mississippi river's mouth. USA is much more vulnerable to infrastructure terrorism attacks than China is
>>2615652>why do you people trust constitution?!?! Instead, you should trust our conspiracy theories!!!Yeah, nah
>stated bourgeois oppresses non-stated bourgeoisieYou don't even understand what a bourgeoisie is, lmao
Besides, WHY would stated bourgeoisie side with proletariat against non-stated bourgeoisie? Like, where's class solidarity, which stated bourgeoisie of every other country on Earth is showing to it's non-stated brethren? What makes Chinese stated bourgeoisie so special, lol?
>Erm, what the sigma? Epic fail! *Snap* I'm adding that to my cringe compilation! The cake is a lie!
>But there's a difference between implementing socialist economics, and putting in place a system that will one day lead to the conditions for a classless, stateless society.???????????
Deng's reforms (following Mao's own reforms) were in part focusing on expanding worker control over state companies. Corporate structure in SOEs is what they call it in the West, and pretend that this means SOEs were privatized
Now then, tell me that you hadn't read Stalin's
>>2608976 last work before assassination and coup without telling me that explicitly
>>2615596>Yet they do. CuriousYes, as we all know, if the leadership of our centralized, top-down decides it wants to act in the worker's favor now, it will continue to do so indefinitely. That's why that country still exists to this day and is incredibly prosperous. Oh wait!
>>2615657Thanks for the riveting contribution faggotron.
>>2615658>>why do you people trust constitution?!? [sic] Instead, you should trust our conspiracy theories!!!You should trust your own senses and mental faculties. China identifying as communist does not automatically make it communist.
>You don't even understand what a bourgeoisie is, lmaoThen explain it. Tell me why I'm wrong, not simply that I am.
>>2615670>You should trust your own senses and mental faculties. China identifying as communist does not automatically make it communist.I see that China is communist. All the different evidence points towards it, INCLUDING their constitution. You, however, have to invent conspiracy theories spanning multiple arguments, from fake constitution to secret bureaucratic class
China is physical liberalism combined with oriental despotism
>>2615937Oriental liberalism combined with physical despotism*
>>2615966That’s not different at all
>>2615969How about liberal orientalism and despotic physicalisM?
>>2615972That’s what’s happening, and not different to my original statement at all
>>2615974Physical orientalism and liberal despotism?
>>2615978That’s what factories plus bureaucracy is, that’s what China is
>>2615937>>2615966>orientaljust call them heathens, stupid Christian
>>2615984You couldn’t even counter the idea of physical liberalism
>>2615652>Read ᴉuᴉlossnW. That is, in fact, a very large part of what fascism attempts to do.Don't care about what ᴉuᴉlossnW wrote or what they say the "attempt" to do, historically fascist regimes just melt the poor.
>>2615992As if China’s history isn’t one of melting the poor
>>2615995Eliminating poverty is not the same as melting the poor, chuddy.
>>2615726>All the different evidence points towards itCare to provide that evidence? And don't you dare quote the part of their constitution about the "primary stage of communism" again.
>You, however, have to invent conspiracy theories spanning multiple arguments, from fake constitution to secret bureaucratic classI never said that their constitution was fake, or that the bureaucratic class was secret. Those are both extremely strange inferences on your end.
>>2616328LOL Paul Krugman
>>2615284who said that, who are you quoting
also you might be the sheltered one, china produces their own media, even if it's mostly romantic and wuxia slop
on the other hand only a certain selection of western movies are allowed to be screened in china, so there is a limit to western cultural inlfuence
>>2616584Why not? The US can steal oil in the Caribbean
>>2615640least deranged liberal genocide fantasy
>>2616635You guys say this like half of what you post isn't fantasy about Xi nuking le empire
>>2616684thirdworldists crashing out doesn't get 100k chungus likes on liberal websites
>>2616648Lmao, the 9 Substations should be turned into a meme, lmao. Because it's a counter to the 3 gorges and because the Chinese love doing this number shit.
>>2616705>Lmao, the 9 Substations should be turned into a meme, lmao.It will now officially never become a meme
>Because it's a counter to the 3 gorgesMost people don't even know what that means
>>2616711Just go back to reddit and shove your gayass flag up your ass
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