So this video has been going viral recently and it’s made me ask: will the demand to designate doctors and nurses as “cops” and the move to abolish doctors, nurses, and hospitals as we know it be the next bullshit wedge issue to divide an already fragile left?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR2sZ0fD2DM/Basically, she uses Silvia Federici and Michel Foucault to argue that doctors are oppressive, that hospitals are prisons, and that we should seek to go back to a time when witches and doulas were the main providers of healthcare through giving herbal medicines like mugwort and tree bark. She also claims doctors gatekeeper medical knowledge and every individual should take care of their own health without relying on professionals. She also says we need to be more “death positive” and just accept death instead of using medical treatments of offset it.
Personally, I find these types of sentiments dangerous, especially given how we just came out of a pandemic that killed at least 10 million people worldwide and many Americans die due to lack of healthcare access. Your thoughts? Are doctors and nurses the equivalent to cops,
(Retarded ragebait)when does she say abolish doctors and hospitals?
>>2588747no, only anon is a marxist
everyone else is a degenerate westerner
>>2588747…who is not taken seriously by other Marxists. Her work is more popular in gender studies departments for a reason. Her reliance on functionalism, warped view of primitive accumulation and poor historical research are common points of critique.
>>2588763You are coping and defending a reactionary.
>>2588766nice projection. you clearly havent read it
>>2587547>the demand to designate doctors and nurses as “cops” and the move to abolish doctors, nurses, and hospitals as we know it what is the timestamp for these claims?
>we should seek to go back to a time when witches and doulas were the main providers of healthcare through giving herbal medicines like mugwort and tree barkim also not seeing any of this in the video
>>2588772You have no idea what projection means. But please, defend the book for us if you like. I sat for 30min while a white liberal, self-proclaimed witch explained the book to me, so I don't mind doing it again.
>>2588761>reliance on functionalism, warped view of primitive accumulation and poor historical research are common points of critiquemaybe for liberals. they say the same thing about parenti
>>2588775Nope, those critiques are put forward by academic Marxists. You make this book sound fantastic.
>>2588777>academic Marxistsoh so liberals? you gotta source for that?
>>2588774>I sat for 30min You probably shouldnt get theory from Instagram.
>>2588778Sure, there's Brenner and Meiksins Woods. You do realize that Frederici herself considers herself an academic Marxist? So it's liberals critiquing liberals then? Why care about it at all then?
>>2588782It was a book club. But yes, I shouldn't tolerate 30min of unsolicited dogshit.
>>2588783>there's Brenner and Meiksins Woodsliterally who?
>looks insideoh so it really is the liberal "new left" western academics.
like i said, projection. you have no idea what you are talking about
>>2588775>>2588783lol, lmao
> That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies. I cannot see how you can speak of the ignorance of the masses in Germany after the brilliant evidence of political maturity shown by the workers in their victorious struggle against the Anti-Socialist Law. The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.> The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htmsome things just never change
>>2588786Do literally anything but defend the book, thanks.
>>2588788Yes, you have single handedly crushed all of academic Marxism with one piece from 1890. Well done.
>>2588789Maybe post an actual critique. What historical research is wrong? How is her view of primitive accumulation warped?
>>2588791Marxism is critique of political economy and has nothing to do with academic bullshit that obfuscates reality at best, hope that helped. :)
>>2588796Which is exactly what Federici is doing. What is your point exactly? My academic Marxist is based but yours is not? Lmao
>>2588798If your subject only exists in academia then chances are it's not marxism, just saying.
>My academic Marxist is based but yours is not? LmaoYou sound like an illiterate retard. What "academic Marxist" am I defending? Engels? Then you must have an incredibly stupid and all-encompassing definition of such.
>>2588803You defended Federico against what you saw as an army of liberals and likened her to Parenti. Dude, are you actually insane?
>>2588798>Which is exactly what Federici is doingphilosophy isnt critique of polecon
<Often described as a counterpoint to Marx's account of "primitive accumulation", Caliban reconstructs the history of capitalism, highlighting the continuity between the capitalist subjugation of women, the transatlantic slave trade, and the colonization of the Americas. The book has been described as "a retelling of the birth of capitalism that places women at the center of the story".holy shit "the history of all hitherto existing human society is the history of
class gender struggles" LMFAO
this is typical petty bourgeois academic behavior of digging up old dusty newspapers and books, creating a whole mythos around individuals, not interested in actually understanding the world and more interested in writing papers for the sake of some apparent career
>>2588793I did and you refused to read them saying it's liberal nonsense. What exactly do you want?
>>2588813an assertion isn't an argument
>>2588812No, it's her critics that are the real liberals you see. She talks all about it in her new book.
>>2588812>Often describedby who? are we really citing blogs now? whats the page number for federici claiming gender struggle has primacy over class struggle?
>>2588820oh so by "them" you mean two compatible left liberals? and by "refused to read" you mean i havent scoured their whole bibliography in the last half hour?
so do you have a specific article or page number you want people to read or are you recommending things that chatgpt gave you that you havent read either?
>>2588823You don't have to scour anything. Their most prolific works are enough.
"Agrarian Class Structure and Economic Development in Pre-Industrial Europe," Past & Present, No. 70 (Feb., 1976), pp. 30-7
"The Origins of Capitalist Development:
a Critique of Neo-Smithian Marxism"
New Left Review n°104, July-August 1977 (skip to "Commercialization Model" and "Primitive Accumulation)
The Origin of Capitalism: A Longer View
(skip to Chapter 5: "The Agrarian Origin of Capitalism" and Chapter 6: "Modernity and Postmodernity.")
This thread is proof most “socialists” worship the PMC.
>>2587922Eddie has a degree in healthcare and is quite critical of healthcare under capitalism so he would be perfect to respond to her.
>>2587922Maupin will just accuse Federici of being CIA like he always does when he doesn’t want to read a theorist’s work.
>>2588887More like FEDerici
Suspicious as hell imo
>>2587704Sounds about right.
Did this person just discover Federici?
>>2588726That’s hella dangerous.
>>2589193>died by accidental choking while in the hospital>dead from adverse reaction to medication after suffering from high blood pressure and kidney disease>died from cardiac arrest after suffering from diabetes, multiple strikes, and high blood pressure>died from kidney disease after suffering from diabetes and multiple strokesYikes
You can't talk about anything here unless it's shitty boring xitter leftist consensus.
I think her view is insane but amusing and worth discussing. Mods here are literal dogshit in human form.
May suicidal ideation haunt the rest of your hopefully short lives mods.
>>2587547This chick clearly has BPD. I can tell from her eyes.
>”doctors are COPS”
Pretty sure this is the exact same line of reasoning used by anti-vaxxers.
Did this girl take the covid vaccine if she’s so anti-doctor?
Show this thread to Maupin and ask his opinion.
Symbolic politics at its finest.
She might as well say this to the millions of Americans who die due to lack of healthcare access. What a fucking privileged c*nt.
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