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>>2587173Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Join the DSA or CPUSA. Don't be an armchair.
>>2589048reposted from last thread
>because they are a democratic centralist organization kek
dem cent was BANNED in DSA till the last convention
i am aware of that ballot tickets are non binding, but when you start having succesful candidates like Mamdani being forced to run as Democrats the Democrats will inevitably siphon them off
thats why the clean break is necessary
>>2589059A clean break is obviously necessary eventually but that's like 10byears down the road. What do you expect to do in the meantime while things evolve? Post on leftypol about how things aren't perfect yet? Or are you going to get in there with the other communists who are pouring in?
>Dcentralism banned until last conventionOh so you admit they're evolving? So maybe shut the fuck up and push things along instead of only talking shit.
>>2589065How do you know i am not an active member?
>>2589065>WE'RE GOING TO STOP VOOOTING BLUE I SWEAR, JUST GIVE US TEN MORE YEARSholy delusion
>>2589068DSA will stop voting blue in 2050, the same moment CPC hits the big red button
TRVST THE PLQN
>>2589062At least she hasn't run into the killer yet
>>2589059>thats why the clean break is necessaryAt this point a break isn't going to do anything. If the genuine socialists in DSA (ex. people in Liberation caucus, MUG, etc) are serious they need to come together, split from the party, and form a new one. Call me a Trot but DSA is unsalvagable. The libs/Zionists will always have a way to control of the org and their DNC masters will make sure of that. Opsec is a joke, just look at how inner-party issues are out in the open for everyone to see, and then there's the lack of a vetting process.
Since DSA shills like to cynically prop up Eugene Debs when it's convenient for them, let's see what that great man (who had more integrity in his pinky finger than the entire DSA has put together) said about voting blue:
>The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.
>There is no hope under the present decaying system. The worker who votes the Republican or Democratic ticket does worse than throw his vote away. He is a deserter of his class and his own worst enemy,, though he may be in blissful ignorance of the fact that he is false to himself and his fellow-workers and that sooner or later he must reap what he has sown.
>How can any intelligent, self-respecting wageworker give his support to either of these corrupt capitalist parties? The emblem of a capitalist party on a working man is the badge of his ignorance, his servility and shame.
>>2589075MUG is a bunch of armchair philosophers, the ones i know arent clean break
>>2589075Splitting is dumb. It is best if the dick riders are eliminated and the treasury is seized. That goes for all dick riding parties
>>2589087Fuentes poster on suicide watch
>>2589087we could all tell he glowed but thanks for the empirical proof
>OK YES WE VOTED TO BREAK THE RAIL STRIKE
>OK YES WE VOTED TO SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WEAPONS TO UKRAINE AND ISRAEL
>OK YES CAUCUS WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND VOTE IN LINE WITH THEM ON ALL ISSUES
>OK YES WE FUNDRAISE FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES AND ASK OUR MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR BILLIONAIRES AND FORMER INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES
>OK YES WE MEET WITH TRUMP AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE BOTH JUST WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR NEW YORKERS
>BUT WE'RE SOCIALISTS OK???? WE ARE SOCIALISTS, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE US
>SEND US MONEY AND VOOOOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
>>2589080>MUG is a bunch of armchair philosophersSo they're just like every other western leftist.
>>2589087Take this nonsense to /ISG/
>>2589070>DSA will stop voting blue in 2050, the same moment CPC hits the big red buttonTRVST THE PLQN
Oh I do trust the plan alright. Whatever the circumstances, the USA will lose this cold war button or no button.But the point is China at it's most liberal is still undoing US hegemony. While the most radical of the US left is still batting for it.
Given their quadrennial (at best) rehearsal for "defeating fascism" and "saving (liberal) democracy", I just find it funny when they get all treatlerite and defensive. Some people feel entitled to be saved by the US left, making demands and shit. There is this whole outrage about their lack of internationalism.
I don't think the US left can get out of bed without help. For better or worse, they will be dead weight.
>>2589085unironically true, thats why the feds killed the panthers they were the black vanguard
perhaps ACP is the white vanguard
>>2589086splitting is dumb but DSA does need mass purges
>>2589098Yes well it'll presumably reach a point some time in the near future where too big of a coalition of rank and file members demand a break from the Democrats and are then expelled for being "wreckers". And probably it will continue to somehow have shills on this board even after that happens.
>>2589099why? she denounced israel and aipac?
>>2589103so i will be purged?
>>2589105If you're a serious socialist I would legitimately put money on it. Unless you leave of your own accord first.
>>2589104I meant the ones who cry when people talk about zog and say it's not real
>>2589089how is he a fed? i dont trust elon or zionists hes against them
>>2589107i dont need money, it will be a badge of honor then i can help form the closest thing we will have to a proper workers party
>>2589112>hired by a guy who already has a hedge sounds like he made a rich guy
richer not rich for the first time, important distinction.
>>2589107But isn't this natural though? Isn't it the whole point to push contradictions to their resolution? A break when it actually makes sense to break because you actually have power at that point is what you would want, no?
>>2589118Sure, but it depends on how it happens. I think the DSA will be more harmful than helpful in the long run if it reindoctrinates an entire generation with the illusion that the Democratic Party can be "transformed from the inside". If tens of thousands of left wing members get expelled and start their own independent party, that'd be one thing (and that'd be an organization I'd probably be happy to join), but it seems like an exceedingly unlikely outcome to me.
>>2589122>Reindoctrinates entire generation thinking Dems can be reformedI don't think that's going to happen, and I don't think that's really the goal of the DSA anyways. Seems to me they're just running candidates under the democratic ticket. I feel like everyone that talks about this whole "break with the democrats/reform Democrats from the inside, they have very black and white thinking.
>>2589132The trouble is that Leftypol in assuming its position as "more revolutionary than thou" towards everyone adopts a maximalist approach to everything in the west. So effectively we have precisely two political positions, "raise an army at a moment's notice ready to fight and die for no benefit of their own" and "Nazism", with everything invariably being divided between those two extremes. Of course that doesn't apply outside the imperial core, where suddenly nuance enters the picture and we have to wait for China and Russia to do capitalism The Right Way for another 100 years
That's not to say I think the DSA has a whole lot of potential as an organization, but there are plenty of people within the group who are willing to support more revolutionary measures and are simply aligned with them out of perceived pragmatism. The immediate path forward for those of us who are serious about advancing communism in the United States is to join your local org and feel it out for radicals that actually wanna do shit outside of the bourgeois democratic paradigm. DSA, PSL, CPUSA, and more are ultimately impotent as organizations as it stands right now, but that can change with the radicalization and mobilization of their members. It'll either force the orgs to radicalize alongside them or kick them out and expose themselves as liberal reformists, either way furthering the communist cause.
>>2589141I bet he was a Rarityfag.
>>2589140Lmao he's so angerey
>>2589128for whom? muslims? cry me a river - add AIPAC to that list and we're cooking.
>>2589139many countries outside of the imperial core already went through ML revolutions and they are starting from a place of extreme poverty, it is not comparable. imperial core countries have not had any revolutions at all and these reform organizations dissipate any revolutionary energy opting for rooserveltism and treatlerism
>>2589154Cair is not a terrorist organization
>>2589170These people really think you can tax other countries.
Former Spokane City Council President Ben Stuckart pleaded guilty Monday to a felony charge of impeding the duties of immigration officers while trying to prevent them from transporting two legal immigrants to a Tacoma detention center for deportation.
“I understood what I was up against, but I felt it was necessary to take a stand,” Stuckart told media outside of Spokane’s federal courthouse following his plea hearing. “I accept full responsibility for my conduct.”
Stuckart, executive director of Spokane Low Income Housing Consortium, ignited a massive protest by posting on Facebook a call to action about the detainment of two young immigrants on June 11.
Crowds of people showed up to Spokane’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement office off West Cataldo Avenue near Riverfront Park and began blocking law enforcement vehicles and exits to the building to prevent the two immigrants’ transport to the detention center across the state.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/dec/08/former-city-council-president-pleads-guilty-to-imp/>>2589098https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/constitution/Article 1 states
>The name of this organization shall be the Democratic Socialists of America, a not-for-profit corporation.DSA is fascist corporatism, so it must be destroyed. Every article is fascist
Dick Riding Servants of Amerika cannot be socialist because it is Democratic (imperialist)"Socialists" (fascist) Of amerika
DSA is actually KKK. Kommissions, Kaukuses, Kommittees.
>>2589174Even some no-name liberal city council member from a city with less than a million people is braver and more principled than Mamdani, the "socialist" who not only hasn't tried to fight ICE but actively told people targeted by ICE not to resist.
>>2589054The Democratic party is an active enemy of the working class movement in America and so are you.
>>2589177But the anti-communists on here still insist that Zion Bomberdummy can do nothing except tell people to give themselves up to ice and protest (in a non threatening, peaceful way) about it later.
>>2589184Forget revolutionary energy, our id energy is fucked…
[Id-energy] → dissipates into → [Political polarization, lobbying, cultural conflict]
↑
| Weak or absent national ego
↓
[FoP advances] ──> [RoP misaligned / unmediated] → Feedback lost or destructive
<Energy leaks at multiple points, so crises cannot produce positive, systemic leverage.As far as left energy in the US is concern, it stabilizes capitalism. That's the irony.
>>2589065We are facing an existential threat to human civilization and your preferred strategy is still "sit and wait for something to happen."
Meanwhile America is literally putting people in concentration camps and actively carrying out a genocide (with your party's support, by the way) as the noose of climate change continues to tighten around our collective necks.
You are a wrecker. You are not serious about Communism, you are only serious about destroying it.
>>2589111It seems that I have a new target now. Another anti-communist has emerged from the depths of hell.
>>2589191You're the one sitting and doing nothing pal. I'm telling people to go where the other communists are and work together.
You're telling everyone to… Uhhh… What exactly?
>>2589195You’re the only one out there and all that
>>2589199They won't because they're complete retards with no competence whatsoever. Their ideology blinds them to the true material reality and
necessity of socialism. By their very nature they will fail miserably, and in the long term are hardly a threat.
>>2589195>>2589204Take your fucking meds now.
>>2589199shush
We don't want them to know their ideas are shit and there hasn't been a good right-wing foreign policy expert since Kissinger died >>2589206You think that if enough people got together and
believed hard enough that a liberal country could restore a monarchy back into existence? When the productive forces evolve to a certain point, when technology reaches new heights of complexity, and when populations grow to
necessarily depend on the mode of production, there is no turning back.
Therefore reactionary forces are intrinsically
unstable. This has been stated by communist theorists since the 1910s.
honkoid status?
>>2589199The US is
structurally schizophrenic, it's not just the Heritage Foundation… "There's someone in my head, but it's not me."
>>2589194>see communist propaganda>call it anti communistwhy are you angry
>>2589195Work together to reform and sustain the bourgeois system which is killing the planet. Meanwhile I am telling people to actually overthrow the system instead of purging it of it's most self destructive elements so it can rule forever.
>>2589199Simple, they are just lying about priority #1. They have no interest in countering China. American capitalists have too many ties to China.
Any time they bring up "muh China" it's just to stoke the fear of the other.
>the economy is bad because of CHYNA, if we go after CHYNA the economy will be great again!#2 is a half-lie. They don't want to shrink the total size of the government, just redirect its resources towards totally benefiting capitalists and destroying any benefits and protections for everyone else.
I'm a fucking idiot, what exactly is wrong about the economics in this video?
>>2589051>>2589232Americans think that living standards have risen. Also, the belief that military interventions abroad are draining US instead of filling the coffers ala British belief that they've been running charity for India and thus it's not them who have to pay reparations but rather Indians. Then there's the "muh left and right populists bad, only enlightened centrists are correct and good" retardation. Then the belief that rich can just like pack up and run away with their wealth lmao (who are they going to sell their property to to escape with their wealth? Aquaman???). Then democracy fetishism, where they can't even explain why the fuck do they need democracy in the first place if it prevents them from reorganizing the economy to benefit everyone
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