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>>2587173Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Join the DSA or CPUSA. Don't be an armchair.
>>2589048reposted from last thread
>because they are a democratic centralist organization kek
dem cent was BANNED in DSA till the last convention
i am aware of that ballot tickets are non binding, but when you start having succesful candidates like Mamdani being forced to run as Democrats the Democrats will inevitably siphon them off
thats why the clean break is necessary
>>2589059A clean break is obviously necessary eventually but that's like 10byears down the road. What do you expect to do in the meantime while things evolve? Post on leftypol about how things aren't perfect yet? Or are you going to get in there with the other communists who are pouring in?
>Dcentralism banned until last conventionOh so you admit they're evolving? So maybe shut the fuck up and push things along instead of only talking shit.
>>2589065How do you know i am not an active member?
>>2589065>WE'RE GOING TO STOP VOOOTING BLUE I SWEAR, JUST GIVE US TEN MORE YEARSholy delusion
>>2589068DSA will stop voting blue in 2050, the same moment CPC hits the big red button
TRVST THE PLQN
>>2589062At least she hasn't run into the killer yet
>>2589059>thats why the clean break is necessaryAt this point a break isn't going to do anything. If the genuine socialists in DSA (ex. people in Liberation caucus, MUG, etc) are serious they need to come together, split from the party, and form a new one. Call me a Trot but DSA is unsalvagable. The libs/Zionists will always have a way to control of the org and their DNC masters will make sure of that. Opsec is a joke, just look at how inner-party issues are out in the open for everyone to see, and then there's the lack of a vetting process.
Since DSA shills like to cynically prop up Eugene Debs when it's convenient for them, let's see what that great man (who had more integrity in his pinky finger than the entire DSA has put together) said about voting blue:
>The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.
>There is no hope under the present decaying system. The worker who votes the Republican or Democratic ticket does worse than throw his vote away. He is a deserter of his class and his own worst enemy,, though he may be in blissful ignorance of the fact that he is false to himself and his fellow-workers and that sooner or later he must reap what he has sown.
>How can any intelligent, self-respecting wageworker give his support to either of these corrupt capitalist parties? The emblem of a capitalist party on a working man is the badge of his ignorance, his servility and shame.
>>2589075MUG is a bunch of armchair philosophers, the ones i know arent clean break
>>2589075Splitting is dumb. It is best if the dick riders are eliminated and the treasury is seized. That goes for all dick riding parties
>>2589087Fuentes poster on suicide watch
>>2589087we could all tell he glowed but thanks for the empirical proof
>OK YES WE VOTED TO BREAK THE RAIL STRIKE
>OK YES WE VOTED TO SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WEAPONS TO UKRAINE AND ISRAEL
>OK YES CAUCUS WITH THE DEMOCRATS AND VOTE IN LINE WITH THEM ON ALL ISSUES
>OK YES WE FUNDRAISE FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES AND ASK OUR MEMBERS TO VOTE FOR BILLIONAIRES AND FORMER INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES
>OK YES WE MEET WITH TRUMP AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE BOTH JUST WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR NEW YORKERS
>BUT WE'RE SOCIALISTS OK???? WE ARE SOCIALISTS, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE US
>SEND US MONEY AND VOOOOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO
>>2589080>MUG is a bunch of armchair philosophersSo they're just like every other western leftist.
>>2589087Take this nonsense to /ISG/
>>2589070>DSA will stop voting blue in 2050, the same moment CPC hits the big red buttonTRVST THE PLQN
Oh I do trust the plan alright. Whatever the circumstances, the USA will lose this cold war button or no button.But the point is China at it's most liberal is still undoing US hegemony. While the most radical of the US left is still batting for it.
Given their quadrennial (at best) rehearsal for "defeating fascism" and "saving (liberal) democracy", I just find it funny when they get all treatlerite and defensive. Some people feel entitled to be saved by the US left, making demands and shit. There is this whole outrage about their lack of internationalism.
I don't think the US left can get out of bed without help. For better or worse, they will be dead weight.
>>2589085unironically true, thats why the feds killed the panthers they were the black vanguard
perhaps ACP is the white vanguard
>>2589086splitting is dumb but DSA does need mass purges
>>2589098Yes well it'll presumably reach a point some time in the near future where too big of a coalition of rank and file members demand a break from the Democrats and are then expelled for being "wreckers". And probably it will continue to somehow have shills on this board even after that happens.
>>2589099why? she denounced israel and aipac?
>>2589103so i will be purged?
>>2589105If you're a serious socialist I would legitimately put money on it. Unless you leave of your own accord first.
>>2589104I meant the ones who cry when people talk about zog and say it's not real
>>2589089how is he a fed? i dont trust elon or zionists hes against them
>>2589107i dont need money, it will be a badge of honor then i can help form the closest thing we will have to a proper workers party
>>2589112>hired by a guy who already has a hedge sounds like he made a rich guy
richer not rich for the first time, important distinction.
>>2589107But isn't this natural though? Isn't it the whole point to push contradictions to their resolution? A break when it actually makes sense to break because you actually have power at that point is what you would want, no?
>>2589118Sure, but it depends on how it happens. I think the DSA will be more harmful than helpful in the long run if it reindoctrinates an entire generation with the illusion that the Democratic Party can be "transformed from the inside". If tens of thousands of left wing members get expelled and start their own independent party, that'd be one thing (and that'd be an organization I'd probably be happy to join), but it seems like an exceedingly unlikely outcome to me.
>>2589122>Reindoctrinates entire generation thinking Dems can be reformedI don't think that's going to happen, and I don't think that's really the goal of the DSA anyways. Seems to me they're just running candidates under the democratic ticket. I feel like everyone that talks about this whole "break with the democrats/reform Democrats from the inside, they have very black and white thinking.
>>2589132The trouble is that Leftypol in assuming its position as "more revolutionary than thou" towards everyone adopts a maximalist approach to everything in the west. So effectively we have precisely two political positions, "raise an army at a moment's notice ready to fight and die for no benefit of their own" and "Nazism", with everything invariably being divided between those two extremes. Of course that doesn't apply outside the imperial core, where suddenly nuance enters the picture and we have to wait for China and Russia to do capitalism The Right Way for another 100 years
That's not to say I think the DSA has a whole lot of potential as an organization, but there are plenty of people within the group who are willing to support more revolutionary measures and are simply aligned with them out of perceived pragmatism. The immediate path forward for those of us who are serious about advancing communism in the United States is to join your local org and feel it out for radicals that actually wanna do shit outside of the bourgeois democratic paradigm. DSA, PSL, CPUSA, and more are ultimately impotent as organizations as it stands right now, but that can change with the radicalization and mobilization of their members. It'll either force the orgs to radicalize alongside them or kick them out and expose themselves as liberal reformists, either way furthering the communist cause.
>>2589141I bet he was a Rarityfag.
>>2589140Lmao he's so angerey
>>2589128for whom? muslims? cry me a river - add AIPAC to that list and we're cooking.
>>2589139many countries outside of the imperial core already went through ML revolutions and they are starting from a place of extreme poverty, it is not comparable. imperial core countries have not had any revolutions at all and these reform organizations dissipate any revolutionary energy opting for rooserveltism and treatlerism
>>2589154Cair is not a terrorist organization
>>2589170These people really think you can tax other countries.
Former Spokane City Council President Ben Stuckart pleaded guilty Monday to a felony charge of impeding the duties of immigration officers while trying to prevent them from transporting two legal immigrants to a Tacoma detention center for deportation.
“I understood what I was up against, but I felt it was necessary to take a stand,” Stuckart told media outside of Spokane’s federal courthouse following his plea hearing. “I accept full responsibility for my conduct.”
Stuckart, executive director of Spokane Low Income Housing Consortium, ignited a massive protest by posting on Facebook a call to action about the detainment of two young immigrants on June 11.
Crowds of people showed up to Spokane’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement office off West Cataldo Avenue near Riverfront Park and began blocking law enforcement vehicles and exits to the building to prevent the two immigrants’ transport to the detention center across the state.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/dec/08/former-city-council-president-pleads-guilty-to-imp/>>2589098https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/constitution/Article 1 states
>The name of this organization shall be the Democratic Socialists of America, a not-for-profit corporation.DSA is fascist corporatism, so it must be destroyed. Every article is fascist
Dick Riding Servants of Amerika cannot be socialist because it is Democratic (imperialist)"Socialists" (fascist) Of amerika
DSA is actually KKK. Kommissions, Kaukuses, Kommittees.
>>2589174Even some no-name liberal city council member from a city with less than a million people is braver and more principled than Mamdani, the "socialist" who not only hasn't tried to fight ICE but actively told people targeted by ICE not to resist.
>>2589054The Democratic party is an active enemy of the working class movement in America and so are you.
>>2589177But the anti-communists on here still insist that Zion Bomberdummy can do nothing except tell people to give themselves up to ice and protest (in a non threatening, peaceful way) about it later.
>>2589184Forget revolutionary energy, our id energy is fucked…
[Id-energy] → dissipates into → [Political polarization, lobbying, cultural conflict]
↑
| Weak or absent national ego
↓
[FoP advances] ──> [RoP misaligned / unmediated] → Feedback lost or destructive
<Energy leaks at multiple points, so crises cannot produce positive, systemic leverage.As far as left energy in the US is concern, it stabilizes capitalism. That's the irony.
>>2589065We are facing an existential threat to human civilization and your preferred strategy is still "sit and wait for something to happen."
Meanwhile America is literally putting people in concentration camps and actively carrying out a genocide (with your party's support, by the way) as the noose of climate change continues to tighten around our collective necks.
You are a wrecker. You are not serious about Communism, you are only serious about destroying it.
>>2589111It seems that I have a new target now. Another anti-communist has emerged from the depths of hell.
>>2589191You're the one sitting and doing nothing pal. I'm telling people to go where the other communists are and work together.
You're telling everyone to… Uhhh… What exactly?
>>2589195You’re the only one out there and all that
>>2589199They won't because they're complete retards with no competence whatsoever. Their ideology blinds them to the true material reality and
necessity of socialism. By their very nature they will fail miserably, and in the long term are hardly a threat.
>>2589195>>2589204Take your fucking meds now.
>>2589199shush
We don't want them to know their ideas are shit and there hasn't been a good right-wing foreign policy expert since Kissinger died >>2589206You think that if enough people got together and
believed hard enough that a liberal country could restore a monarchy back into existence? When the productive forces evolve to a certain point, when technology reaches new heights of complexity, and when populations grow to
necessarily depend on the mode of production, there is no turning back.
Therefore reactionary forces are intrinsically
unstable. This has been stated by communist theorists since the 1910s.
honkoid status?
>>2589199The US is
structurally schizophrenic, it's not just the Heritage Foundation… "There's someone in my head, but it's not me."
>>2589194>see communist propaganda>call it anti communistwhy are you angry
>>2589195Work together to reform and sustain the bourgeois system which is killing the planet. Meanwhile I am telling people to actually overthrow the system instead of purging it of it's most self destructive elements so it can rule forever.
>>2589199Simple, they are just lying about priority #1. They have no interest in countering China. American capitalists have too many ties to China.
Any time they bring up "muh China" it's just to stoke the fear of the other.
>the economy is bad because of CHYNA, if we go after CHYNA the economy will be great again!#2 is a half-lie. They don't want to shrink the total size of the government, just redirect its resources towards totally benefiting capitalists and destroying any benefits and protections for everyone else.
I'm a fucking idiot, what exactly is wrong about the economics in this video?
>>2589051>>2589232Americans think that living standards have risen. Also, the belief that military interventions abroad are draining US instead of filling the coffers ala British belief that they've been running charity for India and thus it's not them who have to pay reparations but rather Indians. Then there's the "muh left and right populists bad, only enlightened centrists are correct and good" retardation. Then the belief that rich can just like pack up and run away with their wealth lmao (who are they going to sell their property to to escape with their wealth? Aquaman???). Then democracy fetishism, where they can't even explain why the fuck do they need democracy in the first place if it prevents them from reorganizing the economy to benefit everyone
Romans 8:18
For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.
>>2589199the burger-bourgeoisie have tons of contradictory
stated goals and either don't realize it, or secretly don't want to pursue all their contradictory goals. Trump for example talked a tough game on his China tariffs but chickened out pretty quick. The US is rapidly pivoting its national security strategy back to Latin America, to maintain the Monroe Doctrine, and they increasingly see meddling in Eurasia and MENA as less profitable. We are also now competing with Saudis for the oil export market. Trump came into office with the contradictory goals of keeping US currency strong and reshoring production. Those two goals are contradictory since the strength of US currency is dependent on its status as world reserve currency, which is best paired with an free trade strategy, rather than the protectionist strategy now being pivoted to. This is an age of major retreat for the US.
>>2589233ok? idgaf about palestine being conservative or islamic though. the genocide should stop because it's genocide, not whatever twitter culture war bullshit point being made here
>>2589233Sorry, I fail to understand who the "Left" is in this conversation. I think most left wing Palestine supporters (or at least the ones I've encountered) in the West acknowledge that most Palestinians probably hold some kind of Islamic conservative worldview. Solidarity with Palestinians is not supposed to be transactional. The main goal has always been a stop to the genocide and the dismantling of the Zionist apartheid system. The rights of women and LGBT people in this context are by necessity a secondary concern.
>>2589250Yeah she may be saying "left" when she means like radlibs who both-sides the conflict. But context would be nice instead of having to guess
Daily reminder that USA is not fascist.
>>2589249>>2589250>>2589251She's complaining that westerners prefer the PLO over Hamas.
>>2589265Yes its settler-colonialist, and it will die by that sword.
China is officially more anti-ICE than Mamdani
>>2589305>and it will die by that sword.How? American Indigenous were conquered well over a century ago and barely make up 2% of the population at most today. So America's settler colonialism had already succeeded long ago and the consequences mostly played out.
>>2589304But the PLO is not a communist organization. Maybe PFLP, but they're so obscure seems way out of proportion to make a tirade about like that
>>2589317The PLO is progressive, anti imperialist and not stunted by islamist ideas, which is enough. They won't be allowed to have any influence in the Gaza strip, that's for sure. If the Gaza strip ever becomes Tony Blairs personal crusader kingdom anyway, which doesn't look like it will happen. That whole peace deal was a total sham.
>>2589312Nta, but while I agree that there's no guarantee that there will be repercussions for the zionists, Israel and America are quite different and in different historical eras of colonialism. Thus Israel might well receive more backlash/consequence than america who was basically able to get away with it scot-free for hundreds of years, it wasn't even an issue of contention at all to anyone but the native Americans
>>2589318Sure, but trust in the PLO has turned low for a while, especially after Oslo they have basically given up on any semblance of resistance under Fatah with Abbas in the PA they're basically just collaborators. I don't really see much of a preference for Palestinian political movements/organization in the west anyway. It's more like a "whatever you need, we'll support it" kind of attitude imo
>>2589323A big reason the middle east is as fucked up as it is is because western advisors have given power after the toppling of governments to "traditional" groups like the leaders of tribes, which ironically led to the rise of Al Qaeda and ISIS.
>>2589086>Splitting is dumbthe bolsheviks were a split
>>2589325I know. I was more talking about the western left's support. Like the lady was complaining about in that twitter post
>>2589333A split that was encouraged by the Okhrana
>>2589333Bolsheviks weren't a split, they were orthodoxes, or rather, maximalists in their demands. Everyone else cucked out
>>2589333They were a caucus that gained party power. It was the Mensheviks that split.
>>2589054Why is democratic party propaganda like this allowed?
actually, the party operated as one even after the london/brussels congress and the split was official in 1912
it wasn't one-sided but a two-sided split, just a contradiction in organization. to call it a split has mechanistic undertones, a sort of foul linearity while understanding that it was simply a dissolution into two poles. actually, if you really think about it, multipolarity was already present in the 1900s.
>>2589374>Socialist and CommunistSame thing
>used to be on the republican ticket in the 20's.And now they can’t even find themselves considered for primaries
>>2589401You're Indian. Your social-political environment is significantly different to Americas.
>>2589403That doesnt mean he is wrong, CPUSA and DSA are arms of the uniparty, everything else is treatlerite cope.
>>2589404Unless you can find a better alternative to building up the workers movement that achieves genuine results, I don't care. You are too idealist.
>>2589106>be actual people from the region>live there the whole time>simply convert to Islam or Islam at some point in the past 2000 years<heheh as you can see, you are now foreign to the region, and these ashkenazis from Europe and North America can colonize and genocide you because they have the correct religion for the regiondidn't Maher once make a documentary about religion being a bunch of bullshit?
>>2589403And you’re an idiot who might as well be living in a significantly different social-political environment
>>2589406I’d rather have someone do fuck all than join you and your DSA. Talking shit about alternatives when you yourself aren’t even the solution. Get outta here.
>>2589405Ew
>>2589108no we just remind you it's a white supremacist dogwhistle that presumes a lot more than just the israeli lobby, /pol/ack. why don't you look into the history of the term and who first started using it? you probably have and support them.
>>2589410Speak like an adult.
>>2589413You don’t even have a frame of reference to know what an adult sounds like, Democrap.
>>2589415Then provide your alternative to building socialism in this country.
>>2589417I’m not wasting words with you Democrap. You wanna promote your corpo party, go somewhere else.
>>2589420Okay. Well until you grow up and find up what that alternative is, the DSA and the caucuses attempting to create a disciplined party structure is all we have.
>>2589410>Ewthey are objectively better than DSA and CPUSA even if they are cringe
>>2589423Nothing is good about the ACP. The DSA is rife with revisionism, but they have optimistic elements within. The ACP are social-chauvanists who think anything that is anti-western is instantly communist.
>>2589405Ah yes the irrelevant splinter org who are just aesthetically "revolutionary" but impotent, and the… Racist bigoted aggro retard haz-cult for extremely online brownshirt nazbols.
>>2589425Revisionism is a spook of fanaticism and those who are so paranoid see it at every turn, and are anti-marxist in their methods always
>>2589425the acp has the correct position on the ukraine crisis
>>2589429That's not what revisionism means, anon. Revisionism is a word that has lost its meaning. Of course the conditions of revolution must be different nation-by-nation and by economic developments. Revisionism is when people fuck around with the fundamental basics of Marxist scientific theory.
>>2589422>the DSA and the caucuses attempting to create a disciplined party structure is all we have.Oh look, it’s fucking nothing. Nothing at all. Oh wait, that’s not nothing. It’s worse than nothing. I would have preferred nothing to the hostile liability that is the DSA.
>>2589423They’re still cringe, so they can join them in the dustbin as well.
>>2589425>but they have optimistic elements withinAlso known as naivety.
>>2589428Mood kindred
>>2589434Defeatists are worse than nazis.
>>2589436Rejection of false opposition is not defeatism tool
>>2589438If Lenin had your mindset in the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party there would be no Bolsheviks and there would be no October Revolution.
>>2589440>Russian Social Democratic Labour PartyThat’s an actual worker’s party, unlike your Democrat controlled DSA. Those two organizations are not alike in the slightest.
>>2589444>>2589445DSA shills have emerged from the shadows to defend their garbage “party”.
I love a good Tuesday morning struggle session.
>>2589425>The ACP are social-chauvanistsAnd the DSA and CPUSA arent? Give me a break.
>who think anything that is anti-western is instantly communist.At least they dont manufacture consent against AES like DSA darling Ziohran.
>Nothing is good about the ACP.They are growing faster than PSL and are independent from the uniparty (as far as we know), say whatever you want about their retarded conservacuck ideology but their praxis isnt that bad, it sure beats voting blue no matter who.
btw the German constitution explicitly bans anti-democratic political parties. I thank god every day im not european
>>2589447>That’s an actual worker’s partyIt consisted of a large faction of social democrats and demsocs. Why is the DSA suddenly different?
>>2589450They can't touch the real communist parties in Germany. Marxism, whether they like it or not, is so integral to their history they wouldn't dare ban the various Marxist parties. I'm sure they want to though.
>>2589453there is no real communist parties in germany
>>2589440>If Lenin had your mindset in the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party there would be no Bolsheviks and there would be no October Revolution.Not the same anon, but … Social Democracy and Marxism were synonymous until WW1 when the 2nd international collapsed and social democrats supported imperialism and national chauvinism. Your analogy between RSDLP, especially before the Bolshevik-Menshevik split, let alone before 1914, is not at all analogous to 2025 DSA.
>>2589449>their praxisPlease provide us with their praxis. All I've seen is leafleting.
>>2589454Post your definition of a real communist party that isn't in power.
>>2589447No true scottsman ass retard. You think the Democrats control the DSA? You think the DSA is… Funded by Jeff bezos or something? You keep saying DSA is Democrat controlled but never explain what you mean by that. I'm assuming it's because you're not genuinely invested
>>2589455Social Democracy didn't "change" because of WW1. It simply proved itself to not be enough to create socialism once they first entered positions of power. The SDP, despite all its "positive intentions" could not reform the by-nature bourgeois mechanisms of state without radical measures, and they were not prepared to make those radical measures.
>>2589451Because one wasn’t under the thumb of the bourgeois, and the other is. Does that boil things down for you Democrat?
>>2589458>You think the Democrats control the DSA? You think the DSA is… Funded by Jeff bezos or something?Absolutely.
>but never explain what you mean by thatIt’s exactly what it says on the tin. Workers don’t make the decisions in the DSA. The democrats do. And the Democrats themselves are bought and paid for by the bourgeoisie.
>>2589461>AbsolutelyYou are a fucking 'complete' moron lmao
>>2589458hes just trolling
>>2589461>Because one wasn’t under the thumb of the bourgeois and the other isSource?
>>2589461>Workers don’t make the decisions in the DSA.They have a national convention where chapter-voted delegates vote on organisation-wide decisions.
>>2589463>They're trollingI understand that possibility but I'm engaging anyways. I feel enough people actually believe this that it's worth exposing this dumbass line
>>2589459>Social Democracy didn't "change" because of WW1. not what I said
>>2589472
>They are building an indepentent party
Correction, they have built another independent party of several independent parties that already existed.
>and support in different ways enemies of american imperialism
Which most communist movements in the USA already do, albeit critically. And words of encouragement is not praxis.
This isn't praxis. It's YouTube talking-head influencer shit.
>>2589456>Please provide us with their praxisThey are building an independent (as far as we know) party thats growing fast and they support enemies of american imperialism like Venezuela and the Houthis. Again, say whatever you want about their retarded ideology but on these points they are outflanking everyone else in the american left, specially DSA and CPUSA, which are just arms of the uniparty.
>>2589469
>Can the DSA hold zohran accountable For anyone assuming this is a gotcha: the answer is actually yes, and they say so in the video. Accountability is a continuous process, and the DSA is the most relevant organization actually capable of applying that pressure.
>>2589475>Say whatever you want about how fucking retarded they areThank God they have correct opinions on like 2 things that don't even matter to American domestic policy and everything else they do is reactionary and endangers the well-being of significant sections of the working class. They're outflanking the heckin DSA!
>>2589464>DSA sent delegations to Cuba!!!>>2589472>ACP sent delegations to Venezuela!!!Is sending delegations really anti imperialist praxis? By that logic the USA is "anti imperialist" when it opens an embassy somewhere.
Anyway… ACP and DSA are both reactionary, but especially ACP.
>Muh heidegger>Muh Dugin>Muh Larouche>Muh ethical landlords>Muh women should obey their husbands>Muh scapegoat LGBT for imperialism>Muh "communism isn't against private property"<oh but you have to ignore all that because Jackson Hinkle dressed in traditional Yemeni clothes and gave an anti-American imperialismn speech in front of Yemeni people, who probably didn't know who the fuck he was or that he's pushing "patriotic socialism" in Americayeah fuck off with that shit. I
>>2589479>A political party that isn't in power meeting its ideological comrades is the same as America opening diplomatic channels with other political entities for diplomacy.This "argument" would only make sense if the DSA was also sending delegations to fucking Taiwan or Israel. What is this?
>>2589482sending delegations, by itself, is performative, unless that is followed by material support.
>>2589484If its performative, what the fuck does that make the ACP?
>DSA sent delegations!!!!!
>ACP sent delegations!!!!!
>Fuentes denounces zionism and praises stalin!!!!!
>MTG denounces zionism and fights trump!!!!
>bros we are winning
you guys are either fascinated by dangling keys or you are just a bunch of Christian National Socialists.
>>2589485I said ACP was reactionary in the same post you apparently didn't finish reading dumbass
>>2589479 >>2589462And you’re a dumbass trying to sell me on a party that isn’t even a party.
>>2589466>>2589465>>2589467>They have a national convention where chapter-voted delegates vote on organisation-wide decisions.In the same way democrats have primaries. Woking class members do not have the means and resources to defend themselves from bourgeois intervention in the DSA. The best they can do is setup chapter house that likely end up just becoming book clubs anyways. DSA resources simply do not compete with that of the democrats, and they are too well known and associated with them to actually ever break off truly. The proof lies in the lack of defences.
>>2589474>Correction, they have built another independent party of several independent parties that already existed.So? You asked me about whats their praxis, thats it, and their party is growing faster than PSL.
>And words of encouragement is not praxisThey have traveled and interviewed those enemies of american imperialism, I agree is not much but is better than DSA approved Zohran calling Cuba a dictatorship or whatever.
>>2589478>Thank God they have correct opinions on like 2 thingsThats not what I'm saying, they are not ouflanking the DSA in the "opinions" area but in the "building an independent movement/party" area.
If even a lolcow party like the ACP can do that why cant DSA and CPUSA uncuck themselves from the genocidal uniparty? How are they any better?
>>2589490>party is smaller than party, so party must be controlled by party? ? ? ?
>>2589492>So?Splitting is gay when there is no need for it. Also you have no source. Neither the PSL nor the ACP provide detailed member lists.
>they have travelled and interviewedSo no different than the DSA. Also Zohran is not the DSA, he is an associated member the DSA put their weight behind.
>>2589493Smaller “tent” has no defenses both material and ideological against bigger “tent”, and is therefore already eaten partially, with the uneaten parts being used as bait.
>>2589495>Also Zohran is not the DSA, he is an associated member the DSA put their weight behind.so if all the DSA can achieve is "putting their weight behind" Democrats like AOC and Mamdani, what does that tell you?
>>2589496This is bizarre logic. I don't see the Labour Party eating the various British communist orgs.
It's for real very comforting to me to see that even posters on this dogshit internet cesspool have a nuanced understanding of the dialectics of politics in America. Thank you, bros.
>>2589498It tells me we're electing genuine progressives for the first time since before McCarthyism. You believe imperfect progress is worse than nothing at all.
>>2589500Britain and America are different beasts.
>>2589505Yes, different beasts in terms of their political systems. That's why the British making a new political force is easier than it is in America. That's why American socialists have to use this strategy, unless they want their ideology to just be an online one.
>>2589504>You believe imperfect progress is worse than nothing at all.No I don't. Shut the fuck up. Why don't you ask me what I think instead of assuming.
>>2589507Okay, what do you think?
>>2589485they denounced ACP in the same post they denounced DSA. can you not read?
>>2589480>and sent a delegation to MEET MaduroThats, based, I didnt know that, sorry, but the DSA still endorsed Zohran who is cucking the zionism and said Cuba is a dictorship so…
>Have your streamer ACP buddies met Maduro?They are not my buddies and I have said again and again that their ideology is retarded, but yes, Hinkle did meet Maduro, the video is on youtube.
>>2589495>Splitting is gay when there is no need for itOk, keep cucking to the democrats forever then.
>>2589506>That's why the British making a new political force is easier than it is in AmericaYes
>That's why American socialists have to use this strategy No. You have that reversed. Americans have to use more stealth in their party building, and that includes avoiding the obnoxiously loud “parties” like the DSA.
>>2589478>everything else they do is reactionary and endangers the well-being of significant sections of the working classHow does anything they do endanger the well being of the working class, including sections of it, moreso than upholding loyalty to the american uniparty?
>>2589511That's a very interesting way of saying "do nothing"
>>2589508I think that so called "perfect progress" doesn't exist and "imperfect progress" is a reformist shibboleth. Your "imperfect progress" will get rolled back if there isn't a fundamental seizure of power by the working class. We had a 90% corporate tax rate under FDR. We had significant worker protections. That all got rolled back over the decades of neoliberalism. This is why the repetition of reformist mistakes is so frustrating. But also your government that you're trying to change from the inside is now committing a genocide and is decaying. The reactionaries are gaining even more power and momentum, are actually organizing themselves into death squads and arming themselves, and the left has what? Zohran? AOC? Fucking Platner? Bernie?
responded to the wrong post the first time >>2589514that's not what they sad at all
>>2589504>democrat>genuine progressiveLMAO
>>2589514That’s a very interesting way of saying “please join my obviously coopted and ineffective political “party””.
>>2589518what's funny is that the greatest ambition of people like Zohran, Bernie, Lina Khan, the squad, platner, and other reformists is to…
raise the corporate tax rate to like 30% i.e. what it was when Reagan got elected. Meanwhile FDR had a corporate tax rate of 90%. Even by the reformist standards their goals are incredibly modest. They also don't give a shit about people outside of America and want a more equitable distribution inside the empire only. It makes people ITT mad to point it out and they think you're one of two schizos who shall not be named if you do so (I hate those schizos and they make it impossible to talk about these things)
>>2589522I don't think it's the schizos that make this impossible to talk about anon
>>2589495>there is no need for itDo you really believe this? After all these years of democratic party entryism you dont see DSA is a libtard occupied org thats already wrecked? Are you fucking blind?
iron felix lived
the real iron felix lives
the glowing real iron felix will live forever
seethe and cope, democrakkka
>>2589525say what you really mean
>>2589528>WarshipHe only said shipbuilding in general. It's cool to build stuff. Big ass container ships are cool and engineering is cool. He never once said "warships"
>Revitalize militaryA throwaway line for the jughooters.
>Top Mamdani appointee faces heat amid promise to make NYC more affordable: 'Embodiment of inflation'
Ronna McDaniel, former chair of the RNC, says she is very concerned about over-regulation from Mamdani
McDaniel said that if the NYC mayor-elect is really going to be true to his word about lowering costs for New Yorkers, he cannot have someone like Khan in his administration who "is not only a flashback to the dreaded Biden days that 77 million Americans rejected by re-electing President Trump," but also holds a history of "policy prescriptions [that] have failed before and will again."
"He's saying one thing and doing another by putting her as the co-chair of his transition team," McDaniel told Fox News Digital. "Lina Khan, for us, represents the embodiment of inflation in this country, and Bidenomics. I think she's the best example of somebody who raised prices across this country by fighting entrepreneurship, and innovation, and big business, and capitalism."
During Khan's tenure as Biden's FTC chair, she garnered a reputation as a fierce crusader against big business. McDaniel's letter said that "early reports" from the business community in New York have indicated they are prepared for a "rehash" of the playbook Khan ran at the FTC under Biden.
"Later in her term, reports even surfaced that Khan was communicating with Temu, a Chinese-owned company linked to the Chinese Communist Party, in an attempt to gather damaging information on American retailers," McDaniel wrote to Mamdani. "Surely we can agree that handicapping American innovators to benefit their CCP-linked rivals harms our geopolitical standing."
Mamdani's appointment of Khan serves to illustrate that the mayor-elect doesn't care about inflation or "what Bidenomics did to the people of New York and across the country," McDaniel added in an interview with Fox News Digital, noting that over-regulation by Mamdani is a real concern for her.
Businesses will flee New York City for places with better tax rates and less regulation that allow them to grow, do better and thrive, McDaniel argued
"When you look at what Mamdani ran on, these things that sound good but in practice won't be good – rent control, government-run grocery stores, free bussing, raising the corporate tax rate … it sounds good, but it's not tenable and what it means is that businesses will say, 'Guess where I'm not going to do business in? New York City. I'm going to go to states that have better tax rates, that have less regulation, that will allow me to pay my employees and grow," McDaniel contended.
"That's why socialism is sometimes confusing, especially for young voters," the former RNC chair added. "All it means is an inefficient, loaded government that will cost more taxpayer money and will cost you more and leave less jobs in the long run."
>>2589478>everything else they do is reactionary and endangers the well-being of significant sections of the working class.As opposed to doing entryism to the genocidal uniparty? Are you insane?
>>2589531>A throwaway line for the jughooters.Do you really believe that, coming from a small business owner with who volunteered for 4 tours of duty destroying 2 countries that didn't attack America, worked for blackwater less than a decade ago, has an AIPAC-affiliated stepbrother he goes shooting with? He fundamentally wants to revitilize the military
>He only said shipbuilding in general. It's cool to build stuff. Big ass container ships are cool and engineering is cool. He never once said "warships"It's implied in "revitalize the military" which isn't a throwaway line you idiot. China is building warships at a rate much faster than America and America doesn't want to lose its presence in the South China sea. They anticipate proxy war for Taiwan, which will be a naval war. Also there is naval ambition in the Caribbean as well, with respect to Venezuela. Come on dude. Are you blind?
>>2589526>After all these years!It's been like maybe 10 years and only just now started getting off the ground. You give up too easily
>>2589530I said what I mean. It's not the negative reaction of the schizos to the dem cucking/reformism that causes people to react negatively to this discussion, but them being reformists
>>2589520Meaningless blabber from a whipped succdem.
>>2589523That’s another way of putting it, yeah.
>>2589532Xi's story is an example. Instead of gusanomoaning "ouin ouin they exiled me to farm pigs, they humiliated my father, big evil CCP", he loyally served the party and today he loyally leads the party
Live a long, happy and healthy life, Xi-dada <3
>>2589536How does using a democrat ticket actually increase the influence of the democratic party. The two party system is ingrained in the system of this country. Changing it does nothing. Voting third party does nothing, by design.
>>2589539the schizos shitcoat the correct opinion by making it personal and weird. One of them literally engages in a one sided feud. It's asinine.
>>2589535Ronna McDaniel looks like Marilyn Manson
>>2589544Who cares? The opinion is still correct
>>2589537>He personally wants to revitalize the militaryHe doesn't really talk about it at all, its just a snippet from his platform on his website. It's pretty standard rhetoric for a campaign. He's just the "military guy" version of a socdem. Doesn't mean he'll put much effort into it if he were in office and doesn't mean it would even be possible to revitalize our shit military even if he wanted to.
>Shipbuilding gap is implied warships paranoiaNah the shipbuilding gap for maritime trade is a legitimate thing that makes a ton of sense no matter who you ask. Making stuff is cool and America just doesn't make ships anymore.
>>2589546> I don't care if literal feds show up covered in shit to say all my opinions and create false associations between my opinions and schizo behaviors. If you haven't noticed, this is how this thread works:
Normal people: 2+2=4
cricketsSchizo: 2+2=4 AND I'M GOING TO DRIVE TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU
Everyone: Wow dude you're crazy, therefore 2+2 is not 4
>>2589542>How does using a democrat ticket actually increase the influence of the democratic partyThe people who support Zohran will move to the right in order to make excuses for him instead of Zohran pushing the democratic party to the left from "within", thats how it works and you can already see it happening in real time.
>The two party system is ingrained in the system of this country. Changing it does nothing. Voting third party does nothing, by design.Pure american excepcionalism in order to make excuses for the genocidal uniparty.
>>2589528This dude would have 100% killed Rosa
>>2589065The solution is using Red Army Austin tactics and bullying any Democrat even slightly to the right of Mamdani until they quit politics
>>2589538>just now started getting off the groundI could agree with the position that splitting right now could be too early, but you will have to eventually.
>>2589552>Accurately describing the constitutionally determined electoral system is "exceptionalism"Now THAT is idealism lmao. There are so many material reasons why the electoral system is the way it is in this country and they're not just because we aren't trying hard enough.
>>2589542It very obviously allows the democrats to control your access to political power anon, cmon now.
>The two party system is ingrained in the system of this countryAnd the Tsarist monarchy was ingrained in the system of russia. What is this defeatist attitude lmao?
>Changing it does nothingChanging it is the only thing that does anything actually anon
>Voting third party does nothing, by design,It's not about voting third party dude, build a party of the working class outside of the duopoly of the american uniparty
>>2589532don't worry about a thing
cause every little thing
gonna be alright
>>2589557Yeah no shit that's the whole point of Leninism. There is a path forward, and we're walking it. Cross that bridge when we get there etc.
>>2589549>He doesn't really talk about it at all, he just explicitly says he is running for office to do that on his campaign website in the section where he states his goals and values… what?
> It's pretty standard rhetoric for a campaign.It's not rhetoric.
>He's just the "military guy" version of a socdem. He voluntarily attacked countries that didn't attack America, went back for seconds, thirds, fourths, then joined blackwater, and has a stepbrother in AIPAC. Then he explicitly states on his website he wants to revitilize the military and close the "ship building gap" with China while multiple naval wars are brewing… and you're acting like I'm some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist for taking his entire life and class position into account when looking at his campaign instead of … the last 4 years where he opportunistically does stuff like train a few people in SRA. BTW he didn't join the army because he was poor. He openly admits he came from a rich family and could have had his college paid for. He just joined the military for "adventure" That "adventure" being Fallujah and Abu Ghraib, both of which he was present at. If you listen to his "regrets" about Afghanistan it had to do more with the failure of the US government to successfully do "nation building" in that region rather than a fundamental regret of his participation in the project itself.
> Doesn't mean he'll put much effort into it if he were in office and doesn't mean it would even be possible to revitalize our shit military even if he wanted to. Go ahead and vote. You have to stop the older, more senile zionist, after all.
>Nah the shipbuilding gap for maritime trade is a legitimate thing that makes a ton of sense no matter who you ask. Making stuff is cool and America just doesn't make ships anymore.There are multiple naval wars brewing and you pretend a lifelong military guy is just giving "throwaway lines" to "jughooters" ignoring the possibility that he himself is a loud and openly proud lifelong jughooter. Naive.
>>2589139recent-ish PSL 'candidate' member here. I got really turned off from the org in general when they started requiring us to attend "socialist summer school" and write mandatory group book reports. they do have a rep of 'putting people's work first' but in experience i found that even after explaining multiple times that i had to work two dead-end brokeass jobs starting at 4am they would still judge.
also, as others have pointed out in this thread before, yes, the PSL definitely does have an entryist vibe. if you are a member and attend a PSL protest - or any protest no matter who organizes it - you WILL be handing out PSL sales pitch literature. this personally made me very uncomfortable as 'canditate members' do not have any voting power or structural input. supposedly this is justified by the fact that candidates are "seeing if the organization is a good fit" (the exact words of my liaison) yet you are still expected to push literature you don't even know if you personally agree with yet. i found it in very poor taste.
also keep in mind that 'democratic centralism' for the PSL means 'no insight whatsoever into the actual decision process of upper leaders' - you will never see meeting minutes published, cross-branch communication, etc.
however this might just be a unique experience for my PSL branch because it's in a midsize east coast city, which lends itself to the branch essentially being one extremely cliquey group of friends and then everyone else who are kind of left in the dark as decision making goes.
anyways, go join help out your local tenant's union and for fucks sake volunteer at a legal aid center, i.e that actually somewhat tries to help old ladies not freeze to death in the winter because their landlord is satan. much better than a book club, and you'll actually get to talk to (somewhat) normal people.
>>2589550I think that is a very presupposed way of looking at it. It is much more likely that those people already believe that 2+2=/=4 and would believe so regardless of whatever threats schizos on messageboards make
>>2589559>Build a party of the working class outside of the duopoly That is what we are all trying to do. We are making that possible and more likely by gaining control of as much of the state as we can. The DSA is already a democratic member organization outside of the duopoly. You're describe what is already happening. You just don't agree with the aesthetics
>>2589567>The DSA is already a democratic member organization outside of the duopoly. you are fully integrated into the duopoly brocachio
>>2589568This is not an interimperialist conflict anymore
>>2589572yes, i was a retard, /leftypol/ is always right
>>2589572they're running third party candidates for congress aren't they
>>2589568>>2589577To some degree that actually isn't far off lol. It's just the red team all hate each other and aren't a team
>>2589567>That is what we are all trying to doNo its not
>The DSA is already a democratic member organizationBut it's not a political party
>outside of the duopolyAll they do is push democrats, how are they outside the duopoly?
>You're describe what is already happening. You just don't agree with the aestheticsNo I don't agree with the fundamental organizational structure and practical political purpose of the org in serving the democrat establishment
>>2589567>That is what we are all trying to do.Neither the DSA or the CPUSA are trying to do that, they just endorse democrats.
>>2589575I'm sorry dude lol. At least you tried. And honestly that's a cool insight and you should share that experience more often so that people will further investigate and or stay away.
>>2589578>It's just the red team all hate each other and aren't a teamChina and Russia are geopolitically more aligned than they have been since the sino soviet split, and the USA is just cannibalizing its vassals in the EU because it can't do as much as it wants to combat China's rise right now.
>>2589563(he ran out of juice for defending platner)
Some DSA members are even more cultish than the ACP guys is crazy
>>2589582>China and Russia alignedFair enough tbh.
You know I think maybe if the CPUSA, DSA, and PSL hold their collective noses and unite behind a single candidate as a compromise between the three parties they'd actually have a chance at disrupting the duopoly. Unfortunately every socialist in this country is afflicted with the bourgeois individualist mind virus which causes them to treat class struggle like a competition between various enemy teams when they ultimately want the same thing, so that's unlikely to happen unless enough radicalized members specifically push for it
>>2589565> those people already believe that 2+2=/=4 and would believe so regardless of whatever threats schizos on messageboards makeobviously but the fedposting schizos show up to make the reactionaries look "normal" and "friendly" by comparison. Human brains are hard wired to embrace a friendly lie and reject an unfriendly truth. The entire fields of public relations and advertising are founded on this principal.
>>2589589…then USA removes troops from Europe
>>2589583Nah we're just repeating ourselves at this point and also "defending" platner isn't really worth it. My "support" for him only goes as far as lesser evilism and my gut instinct that he couldn't possibly be worse than any of the other choices. It's not like he'll ever become the face of the left. If we handled it correctly, he'd be probably be useful but I'm not hitching my horse to him forever. No one really is
>>2589595
>we're just saying the same things
No? You took his actual opinions to be mere rhetoric meant to pander to "jughooters" while ignoring his entire life, career, family, class position, etc. Not really the most stunning materialist analysis there buddy. If you think we're "saying the same thing" then maybe that means I changed your mind and you're too shy to admit it.
>>2589595>we're just saying the same thingsDELETED
>>2589597>Nah we're just repeating ourselves Nice, dude. Good catch.
>>2589599I deleted my statement and reposted because I meant to say "repeating ourselves"
>>2589589transatlanticism is dead. the war with Russia is inevitable
>>2589582>unfortunately every socialist in this country is afflicted with the bourgeois individualist mind virusyeah, also adding on that orgs like DSA and PSL are all full of downwardly mobile professionals or young grads that don't actually want material change but rather an ideological script that is impossible to actually achieve as possible. ergo why these people hate any kind of pragmatism, especially if it involves working with some old biden-liberal dude from the 60s.
or the shit where the DSA staff members had their whole hissy fit about getting a union. like bro, you are socialists, you are not getting paid vacation time from member's dues lmaoooooooo
>>2589603correction: "impossible to actually achieve as possible so that they can justify their deteriorating class position"
>>2589597>My "support" for him only goes as far as lesser evilism and my gut instinct that he couldn't possibly be worse than any of the other choices.So you are a platnercel and you have the nerve of crying about how the ACP "endangers the well-being of significant sections of the working class"? Are you fucking kidding me? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
DSAcels are something else, man. Please put a tripcode on so I can filter your slop.
>>2589590Ehh I don't put much stock in it
>>2589605>>2589603>>2589582
>Americans all have Hitler particles and therefore hopelessMiddle class higher educated people have always been the vanguard for leftwing change. Working class is working class, college degree or not.
>>2589479none of that stuff is in the ACP's constitution, it's just Haz and his crew of misfits. If they were removed (couped lol) by the party rank and file would that be enough to not make the party reactionary?
>>2589601It's just baffling to me that you take this dude's rhetoric at face value. I understand seeing him as a "lesser evil" than his opponent, but really thinking he's just doing "rhetoric" when he says what he really thinks is baffling. I think you have it backwards. It's the "progressive" that's merely rhetoric, for him, and the training SRA stuff is performative and came after a lifetime of contrary action.
>>2589613> If they were removed (couped lol) by the party rank and file would that be enough to not make the party reactionary?Sure. hit me up when that happens.
>>2589603Fundamentally the issue is that regardless of professed political alignments, most people (including people here) are mostly concerned with the immediate wellbeing of themselves and those around them. So you'd think the strategy all these groups would be adopting is making increased efforts to fill in the gaps as Trump and pals strip the federal government of anything that could possibly benefit the "undeserving", thereby aligning the masses with our cause because we give them the material goods and MAGA doesn't. Obviously this wont work on everyone, there will be diehards of any political bend, but it's a good way to get a comfortable majority to go along with our agenda.
You'd think communists would have a head start in all this, given that our ethos revolves around helping everyone rather than a privileged ethnic group or economic caste. But helping people is work that doesn't have immediate gain, and there the problem of bourgeois individualism strikes again. Because as helpful as it would be to set up soup kitchens and 3D print houses, that's less exciting than LARPing as a Chekist. The American left is slowly starting to shake off this lethargy but it's going to need folks like us to give them the proverbial kick in the pants.
>>2589607>Vague support for platner over open Nazis and establishment dems = platnercel dickriderExaggerate more please.
But what isn't hyperbolic is stating that ACP is an org specifically for nazboltube internet grifters to complain about LGBT and women in the workforce.
>>2589619Isn’t any good if we can’t avoid their conflicts
>>2589618ignore that and respond to this
>>2589614 >>2589614That's why I said it's a gut feeling not something I'm certain of. He's controversial among the left for a reason, but my guess is he's just an ex military himbo with decent policy because he has a few braincells and not some opp or whatever. Foaming at the mouth over him is stupid, especially since almost no one thinks he's perfect. He's universally understood as the "checkered past" guy so it's annoying when you point out the checkered past like we don't know already
>>2589621>Isn’t any goodof course its good, unless you'd rather imperialists be happy and work on the same side of conflicts
>>2589627but they do work on the same side, it's just in this instance the European porkies, who are more connected to Ukraine than America, have more to lose.
>>2589618Platner is a psychopathic american supremacist neo-Nazi mass murderer, this is not an exageration, I dont care how "vague" your support is, if you direct people to vote for him you are more of a danger to working people than the lolcows of the ACP. Kill yourself.
>>2589627Dead proletarians don’t make communists happy, they make the bourgeoisie happy. In inter-imperalist conflict, it’s the proles that will be suffering for them, not the bourgeois themselves. Slave vs slave rather than rat eating rat.
If we can’t avoid slave vs slave, it’s our loss, not theirs.
>>2589632total brony death
>>2589632Glimmer would never.
>>2589589It's not really a happening though. EUfags have been doing this shit for a couple of years now.
The Euros are playing a:
<Heads you lose>Tails I winKind of game. Where can chose *why you want* to back NATO and US "western" hegemony from of a variety of reasons.
Choose why you want to fund US hegemony and continue neoliberal policies:
>To spite Trump which is just as Putin<To empower Trump which is not at all like Putin>To defend "leftist" values as the "progressive that you are"<To prevent those RuZZians from implementing communism all across Europe>To protect the garden "progressive" values from the "reactionary" jungle migrants<To protect the aryan "western" Volk from the (Jews not included, we are all Zionists now) Untersmench>To fund European independence from the USA abandoning us (And Ukraine!)<(🎵natowave.mp3🎵)To fund ꑭ🇮🇱NATOϟϟ against the islamofascist authoritankie narcoterrorist LGBT-groomer degenerates at the gates of glorious western civilization!And so on…
All the roads, left or right reach the same end:
EU blindly obeys the USA and subsidizes the USA's cold war against China at any cost.
>>2589629>have more to losewhich is why europe has no choice but to escalate a war with Russia, a war the Americans are signaling they want no part of. Crimea is essential to european continental security, not american security. we're seeing the lines being drawn for an actual inter-imperialist conflict and you're saying it's not any better than the americans raping afghanistan or iraq
>>2589631you are a child. wars between imperialist states are inevitable. There is no avoiding this fact. The state of war weakens the state so it can be seized by crisis or revolution, this is ultimately desirable
>>2589630>Extreme exaggerating languageMk
>>2589638The Europeans can't escalate a war with Russia because they don't have the material required to fight one.
>>2589639Its an objective description of what Platner is, there is plenty of evidence to back it up that has been posted several times on this thread.
>>2589638>you are a child. wars between imperialist states are inevitable.Nothing about this is necessarily inevitable. And I am no child for wisely acknowledging that imperialist conflict generally comes at the expense of the proletariat and not the bourgeois.
>>2589641I would imagine the Americans would take up their traditional role in these conflicts as defined by geography, profit immensely from arming and supplying both sides
>>2589647>Nothing about this is necessarily inevitablethere is only so much imperialist plunder out there to divy up, especially in a world with a plummeting rate of profit. why is conflict not inevitable in your mind? seems a bit unhistorical
>>2589619>>2589589This feels like gaslighting. Who do you have to be to believe this? Europeons still act like the most loyal vassals. They still escalate towards China.
>>2589647Yeah call me brave for saying this but I think wars that obliterate millions of poor people against their will or otherwise is bad actually and should be avoided
>>2589650That's simplistic. Europe and America all share in the same market, but Europe still is fighting for some resemblance of independence. It's mostly naiive hubris. But America wants Europe to disintegrate so it can make its industry and energy dependent on America.
>>2589644I aint your bud, Platnerite
>>2589626> but my guess is he's just an ex military himbo with decent policy like what
>>2589651you're right the state should be stable forever and ever, the status quo is perfectly acceptable for workers globally
>>2589652>so it can make its industry and energy dependent on AmericaI did not know people from 2021 posted here
>>2589644I'm pretty calm now that you have openly supported that psycho, for a moment I thought I was being too hard on the DSA but you reaffirmed what I already knew. Supporting Zohran I can understand, I dont agree but I can undertand it, but Platner? Nah, kill yourself.
>>2589651Says the Platner supporter LMAO
You dont give a shit about the lives of anyone else but other treatlerites like you.
>>2589662I hope Trump chickens out, man. We'll be losing a real Anti-Imperialist power.
>>2589662I miss this little uygha like you wouldnt believe
>>2589662Damn he had aura
>>2589232>I'm a fucking idiot, what exactly is wrong about the economics in this video?The economics of the video in the OP are in my opinion 90+% correct (depending on how much you want to nitpick) but the major error is at the end, where it implies "peaceful" revolution is possible, and calls FDRs reformism a "revolution" and negatively compares the revolutions that created the USSR and PRC for being "violent."
>>2589673The common argument is that if the US didn't drop the bomb the war would have lasted a lot longer against a frantic, devoted enemy.
But I don't actually believe that. Japanese industry was fucking dead by 1945. They no longer had a direct connection to their colonies in Korea and their puppet Manchuria. They could not get food or material from those places anymore. The Soviets would have taken Manchuria and Korea in no time at all, the war would have ended regardless arguably in less than a year.
>>2589649Just because there is plunder, it doesn’t mean it’s inevitable that it gets taken. Especially if no one even has the ability or the flexibility to take it.
>>2589683>The Soviets would have taken Manchuria and Korea in no time at all, the war would have ended regardless arguably in less than a year.The goal was to prevent Communist influence in Japan. Rather than being the final act of WW2, the atomic bombing of Japan is more correctly viewed as (one of) the opening actions of the cold war.
>>2589235>Then the belief that rich can just like pack up and run away with their wealth lmao this is called capital flight and it's a real thing during revolutions. This is why Marx calls for the immediate confiscation of the property of emigrants who flee a revolution in chapter 2 of the manifesto. If we look at historical proletarian revolutions, like the October revolution, you can see that the strongest and most rabid counter revolutionaries were the bourgeoisie who fled for more friendly countries. The Russian white emigrants were particularly friendly with the CIA, just like those who fled Cuba to live in Miami 43 years later.
>>2589685The JCP was quite successful until 1949. They gained 39 seats in the 1949 election and had a trade union with millions of members. The Americans ordered them to be purged because their strikes and growing political presence was a threat to them. Japan was the launching pad for the Korean war and a lot of Japanese communists were Japanese Koreans.
>>2589688Same thing with the Vietnamese here, shit even Chinese too. That's why I tell my friends to shit up when talking politics when we eat at those joints
>>2589689> The Americans ordered them to be purged because their strikes and growing political presence was a threat to them. The Americans would not have had the sway to even do this if the Soviets had invaded Japan and completed the victory in Asia. The atomic bombings prevented this. If you look at the victory in Europe, we also see the immediate sidelining and purging of communists West of what would become the "iron curtain." You also see the so called "defensive" NATO being set up 6 years before the Warsaw pact. NATO was 1949 and Warsaw pact was 1955. Soviets tried to join NATO and were prevented from doing so in 1954, proving that NATO was intended as anti-communist, despite the babbling about "collective defense." So in my mind, a lot of what the US did at the end of WW2 was preparing for conflict with the soviets, and trying to prevent their influence.
>>2589694not the first time or the last time. Contrary to the perception of the war as Ukraine fighting by itself, there are tons of western mercnearies from the US, UK, and France in Ukraine, volunteering, not to mention glowie fingerprints everywhere going back to the cold war obviously, but getting exponentially worse in 2014 after the coup against Yanukovych.
>>2589694>test a new defensive capabilityis it called fragging?
>>2589712
Your politics are just terminally online resentment from getting baited into arguments with burger libs.
Touch grass.
>>2589667>waaaaaaaaaaaaah why do people constantly hate on TWists we're smol beans
<meanwhile constantly starting fights in bad faithDoes anyone have like, a collection of the greatest TWist hits in /usapol/?
>>2589725it's not just "TWists" who find platner sus, brother
>>2589725How is it bad faith to point out Platner supporters dont care about the lives of anyone outside the US?
All this shit about Platner (who's a succdem grifter but probably not the second coming of Adolf Hitler) is kinda irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Fact of the matter is even if he was an actual committed socialist and not a former mercenary trying to ride off the Mamdani hype train none of that is going to matter because the DNC has already decided what the future of the party is going to be, and that future is "trying to outflank Trump on the right". Gavin Newsom is effectively in a lock for 2028, the Hillarymen are salivating over him and his epic dunks that totally lack juice and charisma and shouting down anybody who objects to the fact that he's a neoliberal ghoul who hates the homeless and trans people because "DONT LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD!!!" Working with the Dems is in general a dead end, and I expect them to fully stifle Mamdani once they get the chance to. The DSA needs to break from the Dems if it's going to have any effect on the political landscape, end of story, because the Democratic Party wont even let succdems who are mildly opposed to Zionism get anywhere near power. It's the Gavin Newsom party bucko, with some other unlikable neoliberal ghoul as his running mate, and you better show sufficient enthusiasm or it'll be YOUR fault when Donald Trump's barely functioning corpse propped up by Grok wins the election
>>2589732>who's a succdem grifter but probably not the second coming of Adolf HitlerHe went on severals tours to kill brown people for money and is proud of it, while having a Nazi tattoo, he is well beyond "succdem grifter". Its crazy to me that Platner supporters arent banned on sight like groypers.
>>2589735> to kill brown people for money he didn't even do it for money. his parents offered to pay for his college, but he wanted "adventure" instead. He isn't even a "poverty draft" case.
>>2589731>heh, if I'm acting in bad faith, why am I asking a question that assumes shit without proof in bad faithI don't even give a fuck about Platner, you people are just deeply boring and irritating with how you crash every conversation
>>2589737lol true, I just meant he was getting paid, but according to the resident DSA shills here I'm exagerating when I call him a mass murderer psychopath
>>2589740>I don't even give a fuck about PlatnerYeah I know, thats the problem, same way you dont care about Zohran cucking to zionists after getting elected on a pro-palestine platform. I wish palestinians could simply "not care" like you do, but its not an option for them.
bag status?
>>2589753I occasionally look at the political subs to see what they're currently squawking about.
>>2589756I never got into reddit due to the unfathomably bad UI/interface. Chans were always better because media can be attached with the text.
>>2589756to see what a bunch of LLMs are currently squawking about? the r/politics subreddit won't even let you post news from unapproved websites (look at their master list of approved sources). Meanwhile, I was able to prove way back in 2019 that if you triggered reddit with certain keywords, or certain links, your post would be invisible to anyone except you. In 2022 it was virtually impossible to talk about Ukraine in a way that didn't tow the US government line, and only now has that narrative started to receive pushback, conveniently after it no longer matters and it's wrapping up anyway, a strategy which allows them to plausibly deny that the narrative was ever controlled in the first place..
>>2589758Mea Culpa, I used to use it, and then stopped when I started seriously moving to the left in 2019. They'll throw a shitfit at anything even mildly left of center.
>>2589754TSA agents who stayed working during the govt. shutdown got 10k bag for being good little scabs
why don't the DSA throw behind cornel west?
>>2589763Cornel West vs. Kanye West, funniest election ever
>>2589769RS: Have you read Ron Aronson’s book, After Marxism? The opening line is “Marxism is over, and we are on our own.” What do you think of that?
CW: I think that on the one hand we have always been on our own. The notion that we are now on our own because Marxism is over is itself an illusion. Marxism was always to be viewed critically. We accept what insights we can incorporate and we hold at arm’s length the nonsense. I have never, ever been a Marxist. It’s too narrow, too impoverished a conception of what it is to be human. It provides some essential intellectual weaponry to fight evil in the world, but only certain kinds of evil, mainly class inequality. It doesn’t help us fight homophobia, it doesn’t help us fight heterosexism, it doesn’t help us fight even racism to a certain degree. It helps us fight the class oppression of working people, but race is not reducible to class. And so Marxism is both indispensable, but inadequate, insufficient. And it certainly doesn’t help us understand death, dread, despair, disillusionment, demoralization. On all these fundamental features of the human condition Marxism has nothing to say. That’s what I mean by being impoverished, even though it may be crucial in many ways. But I do agree with Aronson that we have to think critically, independently. And in the end we have to become radical democrats.
>>2589749See? Right there.
You people cannot help yourselves.
>Look man I don't really give a fuck about platner<REEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU ARE ZIONIST IMPERIALIST FASCIST REEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU FUCK YOUYou're full of bad faith, repetitive, boring, and frankly, deeply immature in how you can never just admit being wrong about shit.
>>2589763because the pmc honkoids that run the nyc and la chapters are scared of black people
>>2589668The US losing a war, especially these days, is a good thing retard.
>>2589772 (me)
And before you go
<REEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEAllow me to ask you one simple question:
What influence does caring or not caring about Platner have?
I don't live in his district. I have zero input on what he does. What does me not giving a fuck about time-wasting online discourse about some dipshit politician
materiallly contribute to events in Gaza?
Exactly, nothing. Nada. Zilch. Jack shit.
You people need to grow the fuck up and realize your little keyboard spats do nothing to contribute to the world. And I'm being a dick about this because you people have a constant tendency to crash every conversation and make it about how you're the only enlightened person in the room.
Please either mature or fuck off. Thanks.
>>2589774When can we go Crossbarry on them?
>>2589772The first time you called me out for being "bad faith" I was pointing out how hypocritical is for a Platner supporter to fill their mouths pretending to care about the lives of innocent people, can you explain how that is being "bad faith"? I really dont get it.
>>2589776Meh. America could still win a war against Venezuela. It makes sense for a desperate power dropping in military prowess to start randomly clubbing weaker nearby neighbours. If the Venezuelans are willing to fight tooth and nail in a bitter struggle maybe they could win. The struggle has to be more disastrous than the spoils of American victory.
>>2589780See, and now you're doing that TWist thing where you try to walk shit back after you get called out for being a dick
>>2589781I would want Venezuela to win purely for the sheer amount of coping and seething it would cause from smug milbloggers and chuds.
>>2589782What am I walking back? Can you answer anything or will you just keep calling me a TWist and crashing out?
>>2589781>Meh. America could still win a war against Venezuela.In its imperialist wars, America usually has a high K/D ratio but fails to actually achieve its strategic aims in the countries it invades. See Vietname and Afghanistna. Sometimes it achieves regime change, like in Iraq, but that regime is unstable and disliked by the actual people living there.
>>2589617I talk with the lumpen who frequent soup kitchens and Food Not Bombs distribution spots and they couldn't give two fucks about anything political. Churches actually make these people attend or pray with them which bolsters their own ideology.
3D printing is dorky and can only make trinkets and crap, not tools or means of production. Tool libraries and collectives of this nature are exploited, often by scabs, who use these services to enrich themselves, wreck the tools, sometimes steal, and ultimately contribute nothing back to the collective. You're living in a dream world if you think that it's because communists are greedy bourgeois individualists.
>>2589786Vietnam was funny in this regard. A lot of battles read like
>VC achieves objective>manageable casualties>ARVN/US forced back<ok call it a draw I'm gonna be real…
LATIN AMERICA IS NOT PUSSY LIKE MENA (except for Yemen, they're based) AND CANNOT BE DEFEATED BY DER BÜRGERREICH
You white kids really fucking underrate us. Not all "browns" are the same
Look at the invasion of panama. The US has a specialised task force for the regime change. 27,000 men against 16,000. Panama isn't even allowed to have a proper standing military any more.
The Venezuelan Army numbers 60,000 active professional soldiers and up to 4 million political militiamen.
>>2589789>Churches actually make these people attend or pray with them which bolsters their own ideology. 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮
>>2589792I know Afghanistan is technically central asia and not MENA, but they pushed burgers out too
>>2589792it's not really a white vs. brown thing. America is mixed ethnicities just like Latin America. The idea of America being fundamentally "anglo" is increasingly a sad Anglo cope after WW2.
>>2589797Most white Americans are German decent funnily enough.
It's really stupid to me how retarded Anglocentricism is in the United States. We would not have won the revolution without French help and yet French was banned from educational curriculums in Louisiana because it wasn't "American". Millions must learn French.
>>2589770>all those comments in the comment section saying he was a "thief" and "evil" for doing thissuch cuckolds, all of them.
>>2589804they aren't cucks, they're just seething bourgeoisie.
>>2589806Wasn't one of these German civil war officers Americas first actual Marxist?
>>2589807No dude these are the bourgeoisies dick suckers. They think an attack on private property is an attack on them.
>>2589791The Tet offensive is the big thing known to be a military defeat for the north with dreadful casualties but still a strategic victory in the long run.
The US government want you to think they have unlimited resources and have full control over regime changes. Look at South Vietnam, back when the US still had a growing economy at the height of its industrial and military power and look at how much "control" they had over the fucking insanity that was the South Vietnamese government. Venezuela will go through the same corruption if the Chavistas are removed.
>>2589333Yes but in 1912 lenin just eliminated dick riders and retained control of treasury and press. A fascist party splitting into another fascist party is pointless. The dick riders must be eliminated and the the assets must be seized as bolshevik did in 1912
>>2589809when I saw bourgeoisie I include small business owners, who naturally do hate the expropriation of private property.
>>2589817the Bolshevik Menshevik split was in 1903 not 1912
>>2589353Wrong. The dick riders were eliminated from the party in 1912
>>2589342Wrong
>>2589352Correct. Eliminating dick riders is not a split
>>2589352>Bolsheviks weren't a split, they were orthodoxes, or rather, maximalists in their demands. Everyone else cucked outThe RSDLP objectively split and one of the splits was Bolsheviks. What a weird semantic cope to avoid admitting that sometimes splits are good.
>>2589819Wrong. They split into different parties in 1912. The factions emerged in 1903
>>2589811lies
>Hungry to oust Mr. Goldman, top officials from the local chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America, an integral organizing cog in the success of Mr. Mamdani’s grass-roots campaign, promised Mr. Lander over the summer that they would not endorse another candidate, according to four people with direct knowledge of the matter.https://archive.ph/UQf98 >>2589342>the Okhrana created the faction who would eventually execute the tsarprobably a lie but based retards if true
The Bolsheviks became a majority because a few other groups, mainly the Jewish Labour Bund, left because of unrelated issues relating to Jewish minority interests giving the Bolsheviks the majority and voting to created a more centralised disciplined leadership. Mensheviks obviously left not long later.
>>2589827>refuting a new article with an old article.the betrayal happened today, and you cite a broken promise from a month ago. bizarre cope. possibly an illiterate.
>>2589829>idpolistas left>then reformists leftgood
Do you think this will be a very small task force operation or a mini vietnam that goes on for a year or longer?
>>2589817>A fascist party splitting into another fascist party is pointless.truke, i stand corrected
>>2589831To be fair, there was nothing "wrong" with the Jewish Bund. They left because the congress refused to allow the Jewish Labour Bund to be the "official representative of the Jewish proletariat". Jewish Autonomism was, ironically, provided by Stalin later on.
>>2589832i don't even know if it will happen. could be another TACO for all we know. the administration seems sincerely schizophrenic and unable to commit even to its tariffs.
>>2589828Malinovsky who was a top glowie among the Bolsheviks bamboozled Lenin into loving him by being a staunch anti menchevik, which was a position ordered to him by his handlers who didn't want to see the rsdlp unite. So yeah, based retards.
>>2589821Wrong. The Party voted to eliminate the dick riders. This is not a split. It is called a purge
>>2589837The build up in the Caribbean reminds me of the prelude to the Iran strikes.
>>2589839The right is in a sticky situation. The rank and file hate "Jeets" and "Jews" but the leaders of the American conservative movement require the cooperation Hindutva reactionaries against China, and the cooperation of Zionist reactionaries against the Middle East and North Africa. America Firsters are so racist they are ironically willing to burn decades of bridges built by the necoons to foreign reactionaries, because those foreign reactionaries happen to be nonwhite and nonchristian. just lol.
>>2589841True but Iran was actually hitting Israel. So there was a real sense of urgency to save Israel from the consequences of their actions. Venezuela meanwhile is not really any kind of imminent threat in any regard, now matter how much they pretend it is.
I hate all immigrants (except foreign venture capitalists).
>>2589847The "threat" here is not actually Venezuela. It's China.
>>2589850China isn't a threat to America either. America is more of a threat to itself than China is. America is actually dependent on China. This dependency makes the hawks nervous, and so they are trying to reassert "independence" by violating the sovereignty of South America and reasserting the Monroe Doctrine. It is the desperate lashing out of a dying empire.
>>2589839Yes, send the yuppie brahmins back.
Working class Dalits can stay.
>>2589851>China isn't a threat to America either. Of course it is. It is a threat to its trade and resource monopoly. But the US knows it cannot fight a war against China openly, so it is engaging in economic warfare with those who get closer to China and disrupt its monopolies.
>>2589789>3D printing is dorky and can only make trinkets and crapTrvthnvke. The only thing you can 3D print is replacements for plastic crap. It's nice to have when cheap shit breaks or you need a random adapter, but it's mostly not worth the fucking hassle.
I am not interested in the opinions of washed up fascists.
>>2589853>Of course it is. It is a threat to its trade and resource monopoly. that's not a threat to america, just the american bourgeoisie, who themselves created that situation when they normalized economic relations with china. they outsourced everything for profit and now they have checkmated themselves. Like I said. America destroyed itself but wants to blame everyone else. It sees threats everywhere, but those threats are threats America itself created. America encouraged the sino soviet split and normalized trade relations with China. America backed the creation of the Russian federation, which now competes with America for the resources in donbass. America create the threats to its own monopoly and hegemony. Now they say "we are being threatened by our own creations and we need to double down on the policies that got us here." It's nonsense.
Anyone else noticing that the neolibs are getting more defensive about ai?
>>2589853Idk it really seems like the nat security state is moving towards cooperation with china in the near future rather than antagonizing. Atlanticism is on its last leg and only the increasingly irrelevant establishment liberals seem to be trying to keep it alive. I think Europe will increasingly become irrelevant to America and the fight will be aligning with Russia or china.
>>2589857The American bourgeoisie is America. Neoliberalism solidifies the fact the financial classes are the ruling class and dictate where America goes domestically and foreign policy wise.
The american century of humiliation is just revengeporn at his point.
>>2589861>>2589864Well, at least they're having fun.
Those people look pretty poor so I can't blame them if this is how they have a good time.
>>2589870This is simply what too much internet forum posting does to a uyghas brain. Dude can't look at a nation without thinking about internet nation maymays. Nobody cares.
>>2589868Yeah, the whole thing kind of reminds me of when me and my friends would chuck crabapples at each other because we had nothing else to do.
>>2589870take it to isg god damn
>The top 1% of the Indian population holds more than 40% of the country's total wealth, and their share of national income is among the highest in the world. In contrast, the bottom 50% of the population holds only about 3% of the total wealth.
>While the rich have gotten significantly richer, many average and poor people are still struggling. The wealth of the poorest half of the population saw only a marginal increase, and there has been no significant growth of real wages for many since 2014.
India might be the most important nation to watch right now. The left is technically on the decline, being outperformed by the growing reactionary Hindutva movement. Hindu nationalism is so rife in the country I think it's one of the most repressive countries in the world when it comes to what you can and can't say in media. Journalists are doxxed and sent death threats for even criticising the climate policies of the country.
>>2589839Sadly, many Indian reactionaries think they are honorary whites.
>>2589886Yes bloodgasm it's called "seats" in a "parliament". That doesn't mean they're assisting in the killing of Naxalites. All 200 of them.
>>2589898what is happening
>>2589870I don't have enough historical knowledge on Serbia to give an opinion about this.
>>2589870Booo boooo cringe.
>>2589903BE has a lisp, so I am simply writing how the moron sounds
>>2589864So not only is this "poo throwing festival" only celebrated in one particular area, it's not even 100 years old? Something to do with a local legend about their patron god being born from cow dung. It's kinda gross sure but the Scotts eat haggis and you dont see people tarring every European person as "sheep bladder eaters".
Also fun fact, they also have cow dung throwing festivals in the USA
https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2188 >>2589904Human collective memory can only think back to the events of the past 80 years. Therefore Serbia bad because of the regrettable things they did in the Yugoslav War even though they were no different to the things the Croatians and Albanians did. Basically, the whole Yugoslav War was proof Tito was right to tell all the nationalists to fuck off.
will the american Intelligentsia collapse because AI?
>>2589900They call for the end of armed struggle which would allow the old state to continue to kill peasants and workers while also cracking down on communists. There is a long history of the CPI-M (Marxist) aiding in the suppression of anti-government protestors and being willing accomplices in the state's terror. There is much blood on their hands and no amount of hamsic flags they parade can wipe that truth.
>>2589901Eat shit and die.
>>2589855Milo got canceled for promoting pederasty. Now he's come back into prominence just to pressure a much younger man into becoming gay…
>>2589886Which Naxalites do you support? Wikipedia gives a list of over 40 different parties which all split from each other apparently.
>>2589916>They call for the end of armed struggle which would allow the old state to continue to kill peasants and workers while also cracking down on communists. There is a long history of the CPI-M (Marxist) aiding in the suppression of anti-government protestors and being willing accomplices in the state's terror. There is much blood on their hands and no amount of hamsic flags they parade can wipe that truth.where can i read more about this
The closest thing to an intelligentsia in Amerikkka is Current Affairs, and the founder is some half-Brit/Yank trustfundie who LARPS as a Southern slave owner
one thing I found out about declassified recorded phone calls from the Vietnam war era is that the president of the united states knows absolute shit about the reality of any situation, only a basic evaluation.
The president is just a guy who signs orders and pushes social changes slightly. Its the Kissingers and economists of the government that do the real intellectual work.
>>2589910>Therefore Serbia bad because of the regrettable things they did in the Yugoslav War even though they were no different to the things the Croatians and Albanians did.NATO used false accuations of genocide against Serbia to justify destroying both Yugoslavia and Libya. Regardless of whether or not serious crimes were committed by Serb nationalists, I don't think it really justifies what NATO did to Yugoslavia, 80 nights of bombing with depleted Uranium, increased cancer rates, balkanization, privatization. They even killed everyone in a Chinese embassy "randomly."
>>2589931>NATO used false accuations of genocide against Serbia to justify destroying both Yugoslavia and Libya. meant to say NATO used false accuations of genocide against Serbia to justify destroying Yugoslavia and
similar allegations were made to destroy Libya.
>>2589931Nothing can justify what NATO did to Serbia.
>>2589870>nooooooo no the serberinos nooooooooooodont care, as long as he makes DSA and CPUSA shills seethe he has my critical support
>>2589870The fuck does this Greco-Australian-Argentine have to do with Anerica?
>>2589937It is genuinely scary to me that some random guy can control a drone from another continent far away in Nevada and precise-strike everyone and anyone in the world.
>>2589939he made blackredguard cry on stream
>>2589945wtf I hate him now
>>2589954ok now this is a genuine dog shit opinion
>>2589054I see there is a new anti-Communist here. I successfully chased off CPUSAnon and another emerges from the depths of hell. Yet another reactionary that I will have to hound to suicide.
>>2589967This one is even worse than CPUSAnon, be careful.
>>2589975What would I be careful of, is it going to try to reform me to death? There is nothing to fear from a reactionary except missing your shot, and I don't miss.
>>2589895It's funny.
I'd rather hang-out and have a poop throwing party with the friendly poor peasants in India than some of these upwardly mobile, upper caste, wannabe white Indians they let into the states, that do nothing but brownnose for reactionaries that hate them.
>>2589967it's probably the same anon as "Normal Adult Marxist"
>>2590038I thought the same thing when he started shilling Platner.
>>2589954that's sargasm, bloodcasm
>>2590041I am actually going to buy a new gun today, I will think about you when I do it.
>>2590053Do you even have enough muscle to hold a gun?
>>2589933ok; thanks, will watch
>>2590053Jesus felix. TWO boyfriends?
>>2590055I lift weights 4 days a week.
I know it's hard for you NEETs to imagine anyone working, but some of us do.
>>2590058He's just going to repeat the same 10 talking points, isn't he? He doesn't say anything new anymore. He's just Biden. Fat retard orange Biden.
>>2590053Can't wait until you're involuntarily committed and never allowed a gun again
>>2590064It will be for killing you.
Waitresses going to Trump rallies to give speeches about how Trump will make their wages go up and costs go down is akin to the scene in 1984 where people are forced to confess that they deliberately contracted syphilis and spread it to as many people as possible
>>2590061The politburo's inquiry into who asked has come up empty, comrade.
>>2590065Quite confident you have to actually leave your house for once if you want to do that, m8
>>2590065Real Manic Felix. It's a progressive illness, bud! It's not getting better!
Kek it’s so easy to trigger Felix regarding him being a DYEL
>>2590071You're an anti-communist and you have the nerve to accuse anyone else of being sick. You are the most mentally ill person imaginable, raging against science itself in an attempt to bring about human genocide so you can have more treats.
>>2590061>I know it's hard for you NEETs to imagine anyone working, but some of us do.woah, slow down. NEETs are based drains on the burger reich. if every american was NEET the burger reich would collapse immediately and all its precious volk would starve. consider that before slandering NEETs again.
>>2590080i don't like that anon but if you really wanted to harass fascists you could go to a US military forum, or reddit, or 4klan, or literally anywhere else on the burgernet and have an infinite supply of them. but instead you choose to fedpost on an irrelevant dying imageboard. it's very weird
>>2590107>US military forum, or reddit, or 4klanis just bots there, the real fascists are here
>>2590082That is a terrible picture I took after working an overnight shift and taking care of my elderly mother with dementia. This one is much better.
>>2590107I got banned from reddit for telling an FBI officer to follow his leader and suck start his service pistol.
>>2590112I'm sorry about your mother with dementia. I take care of a grandmother with dementia. But you should seriously consider therapy if you can afford it. You might have borderline or bipolar. I say this with sincere respect and an understanding that you really mean the things you say.
>>2590112Zamn, you really do hit the weights, toots
>>2590121
That person is not me. You won't actually believe me when I tell you that anyway, so go ahead and dox an innocent welder, I guess.
>>2590115>consider therapyKys for shilling reactionary bourgeois pseudoscience.
>>2590124the resemblance is uncanny tho, and the name too? what are the chances
>>2590125cognitive disorders are real. sorry bud. calculus isn't made up either even though an aristocrat invented it.
I watched a graham platner interview and he does not seem that bad. We need guys like him to fight back in a war with his training
>>2590129>cognitive disorders are realDid I say they werent?
>>2590131funny bait, TRIF would sooner praise nick fuentes than graham platner
>>2590134well you said the people responsible for recognizing, categorizing, diagnosing and treating them are pseudoscientists, so…
>>2590126>the resemblance is uncanny tho, and the name too? what are the chancesWhat are the chances two people named Yang lookalike?
I came back from the gun store earlier. They told me I failed they background check so I can't buy one.
>>2590137not just two people named yang, but two people named jimmy yang, and not just look alike, but look identical
>>2590138Get out of commie Oregon.
>>2590136Planets and stars are also real independent of the fact that astrology is a pseudoscience.
>>2590145>astrology is a pseudosciencesource?
>>2590145I am the anon. Weak analogy there. Sociopaths are real.
>>2590148Stay out of it. Astrology is nonsense lol.
Astrology is LITERALLY bourgeois and before that aristocratic.
My ex thinks I am dangerous but she would piss me off so yeah I hit her a few times so what
>>2590155astronomy is bourgeois
astrology is proletarian (unless you write a horoscope column, then it's petty bourgeois)
>>2590124>innocent welder, b-but he's American, and the VAST MAJORITY of americans are willing and gleeful collaborators?!
>>2590161Nvidia only designs the chips and the actual manufacture of the chips is in Taiwan anyway. So if reunification happens Nvidia is finished lol.
>>2590151>Sociopaths are real.I agree, I already said I dont deny the existence of mental disorders. I dont even deny the posibility of psychotherapy being legit one day (under socialism), but on its current form its pure slop. I know it "works" on some people but thats not good enough for me and I can't recomend it to people on good conscience. I also think something like 90% of shrinks should be executed.
>>2590161China Stays winning
>>2590164It'll fuck Israel over also because a lot of American firms have lots of influence in Tel Aviv.
>>2590165so your position is that while a psychotherapist can successfully diagnose you, any suggestion that they make is bullshit?
>>2590165NTA, it's worth noting that most psychological problems (not all of them) stem from capitalism, and then they monitor the "solution" back at you
>>2590170also the entire "AI" stock bubble, which is the biggest speculative bubble in US history, several times bigger than the one before the 1929 crash that led go great depression, is dependent entirely on Nvidia being able to provide GPUs to the Big 7 tech companies so that they can continue their AI research. No chips, the entire tech sector bubble collapses. Over 90% of alleged "GDP growth" in the USA over the past year was just the big 7 tech companies shuffling money around in AI research. It's a whole ass mansion of cards.
>>2590173agreed, but I this defeatist mindset with health care a lot, be it physical, mental, dental, whatever, where people won't even seek treatment in the first place because "It's all bullshit and capitalism man" and they let a problem fester. I've literally watched people with decent health insurance and better jobs than most do this to themselves.
>>2590176Realistically, tech, CHEEEPS, property (for the rich) and AI are whats keeping this economy alive.
China could destroy this country right fucking now.
>>2590180But I thought the war was "over" now apparently the guys with a few mortars and AKMs can attack Europe?
>>2590171Doctors can diagnose a disease, still not fully understand how it works and have no good treatments for it, all at the same time.
>>2590182Kids these days… this synthetic stuff is unnatural. back in my days our friends used to die of heroin like God intended.
>>2590178We I won't claim I know all answers to every problem and this one is a big one. What I can make mention of, I believe the problem is at least twofold. 1, financial instability, can't do it because not enough cash. 2, mental health stigma/financial moralizing. I feel like there needs to be a conversation about how it's okay to not feel okay so that people don't fear being isolated for not being okay or normal. Again I don't know enough about all the problems with mental health under capitalism to argue what should be done, but I do know what it's like being me living under capitalism and not wanting people to hurt themselves like I did because of a system that prioritizes productivity over living a good life
>>2590161lol based
>>2590171>any suggestion that they make is bullshit?No, not any, just most of it, and it wont work on all patients even if they have the same disorders, and they charge a lot of money for it.
>>2590191literally stripping the nation of its copper, lmfao
is this anti treatlerite praxis? sandi anon told me americans having any electrical grid at all lets them do imperialism so…
>>2590180A spectre is haunting Evropa…
>>2590193the spectre of nothingburgers
>>25901122050, you walk up to the institute for post-Amerikkkan studies in Evangrad (formerly Washington DC) and see a giant statue of a man in a fedora and sunglassses looking down on you.
>>2590196
>wrong country
>isg
please, fuck off
why aren't you hiring young egirls to play games with you?:
well why aren't you? they would love to play with you. you have no excuse for being a lonely incel.
https://m.epal.gg/share/Guys what stage of capitalism is this
>>2590178>where people won't even seek treatment in the first place I'm the guy who said "bourgeois pseudoscience", I'm speaking after years of giving therapists and shrinks money.
Even when America was the dominant industrial and economic power, they could not stop the communists. Regardless what people say about the west "winning" the Cold War. Cuba has never been regime changed. Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev essentially bullied their western counterparts. They couldn't stop the construction of the Berlin wall. They didn't stop the communist insurrection in Laos. The cold war was "won" only by opportunistic tactics during events in the eastern bloc the western intelligence agencies weren't even aware of. What makes the military-industrial complex in the west think they can win this one?
>>2590209they know they can't so they're full damage control mode. America will finally embrace socialism the way Japan was dragged kicking and screaming into capitalism by gunboat diplomacy lol
>>2590082I love how Felix is just white BRG
>>2590200all the sponso for this are from at least 2-3 years ago,I remember every league streamer doing one paid stream with it.
this is basically rental girlfriends (mostly something in japan) but commodified for friendship and video games in particular,as RPing romance would distract from the vidya
>>2590212inb4 he blows up his neighbor's swingset
>>2590211America won't transition to socialism without a bloody fight. My opinion is that America will become totally isolationist again, but only after it has conducted neo-colonialism in a style similar to Frances control of West Africa.
>>2590214A collage of his leftypol posts on a screen would be so funny. I think he'd make the same face BRG did at his tweets being revealed.
>>2590219Oil, natural gas, coal, iron ore, cement, gold, and minerals like manganese and chrome.
>>2590215> My opinion is that America will become totally isolationist again, but only after it has conducted neo-colonialism in a style similar to Frances control of West Africa.and then china, who will be technologically 500 years ahead of them , will do gunboat diplomacy to break the isolation
>>2590219the soviets invented the TRIZ methodology of innovation which literally every capitalist engineering firm now uses.
>>2590223That is a likely outcome. China is already slowly leveraging away the Cuban starvation embargo. America no longer has to big diplomatic stick. All America can do now is bully weaker nations in its own backyard.
>>2590220>Oil, natural gas, coal, iron ore, cement, gold, and minerals like manganese and chrome.Exactly. Pretty much just resource extraction and low value-added industries.
>>2590225>the soviets invented the TRIZ methodology of innovation which literally every capitalist engineering firm now uses.Did they license it?
>>2589808August Willich and Joseph Weydemeyer were both Communists of the First International. I wouldn't call them "Marxist" since that term didn't emerge until the 1871 Paris Commune, and Marx rebuked the French people at the time who called themselves Marxist, saying to Engels privately, "I am not a Marxist." Also Willich fought Marx for being too conservative lol
>>2590223I'd be ok giving them san francisco as a treaty port
>>2590112>working an overnight shift and taking care of my elderly mother with dementia. that's a weird way to say "contributing GDP to the fascist burger reich to get treats for your precious volk"
heheh, for those who don't know, I'm turning his own rhetoric around on him, heheheh. jokes are funnier when you explain them heheheh >>2590226Hell america can barely bully smaller nations now, sure they tried with Venezuela but america can't perform coups and military assault like before. Which makes it funny by comparison that the Ottomans and British had a longer history of empire building while america is dying before reaching the senior age of those bygone empires.
>>2590212they even have the same hat
An ideal scenario would be this. America loses a Venezuelan War. America pushes for isolationism after the failure of the Russo-Ukrainian War and the unsustainably of current military spending and demands due to a lack of industry (ask the Japanese and South Koreans to take the load off the US military in the pacific) The New Left dominate the CPC by 2050, become more internationalist. America doesn't even try to resist BRICS, Cuban embargo totally ignored. No more U.S influence in South American politics. China calls the shots on US foreign policy.
>>2590209They stopped the communists in most the world. Almost all socialist states that did mange to survive into the 80s immediately turned capitalist once the USSR dissolved the few that exist today being the exceptions.
Also Berlin wall isn't a symbol of success as West Berlin itself is evidence of weakness.
>>2590235America cannot embrace isolationism. Its entire economy is built on imperialist dominance and would immediately collapse if it tried to pursue any other method (other than socialism of course).
Some sections of the bourgeoisie cynically use reactionary isolationists in the GOP as a way to redirect military focus from Russia to Latin America and the Pacific, but this is a question of strategy and not goal. The goal of all American capitalists is continued imperialism.
>>2590236The aim of the Cold War was not just to defeat "communism". It was to defeat threats to American global dominance. Almost as soon as the USSR fell China made America call their bluff by unleashing fresh, cheap labor that the neoliberal economies could not logically resist. A new Cold War started as soon as that happened.
>An unpublished version of the National Security Strategy (NSS) calls for closer relations with like-minded European countries such as Austria, Hungary, Italy, and Poland "'with the goal of pulling them away from the [European Union].'"
>The NSS also calls for the creation of a Core 5 (C5), which would be made up of the U.S., China, Russia, India, and Japan. It is supposed to be an alternative to the G7, and one important agenda for the C5 is supposed to be "Middle East security—specifically, normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia."
>This version of the NSS also calls for the U.S. to abdicate its role as global hegemon and , for example, scale down its commitment to Europe and instead focus, for example, more on Venezuela.https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/12/make-europe-great-again-and-more-longer-version-national-security-strategy/410038/ >>2590247Look at them. Desperate to get a slice of the Chinese pie.
>>2590227>Did they license it?No, obviously not. Intellectual property is cringe
>>2590247>This version of the NSS also calls for the U.S. to abdicate its role as global hegemon and , for example, scale down its commitment to Europe and instead focus, for example, more on Venezuela.donroe doctrine
>>2590226>All America can do now is bully weaker nations in its own backyard.I've been telling this to burgers for years. Libs basically just say "nuh uh" and stick their fingers in their ears while chuds go bloodthirster on China as if China and Russia wouldn't outproduce us in a never gonna happen hot war which the ghouls in charge know.
>>2590138This is not me. I am waiting at the gun store for my nics check on a new Ruger.
>>2590247Okay multipolar imperialism is done we won back to work now
>>2590202therapy and psychiatry are in some ways a "true pseudo-science" in the way that alchemy was a "true pesudo-science" that eventually gave way to chemistry.
The kinds of recommendations that psychiatry and therapy give are a lot closer to alchemy than chemistry, where there's very little certain understanding of what works or doesn't work at a particular point or why.
>>2590247>Middle East security—specifically, normalizing relations between Israel and Saudi ArabiaFinally China can be BEST FRIENDS with Israel and Saudi Arabia in peace
>>2589688Capital flight doesn't work if you expropriate their left over property. because, you know, you can't pack up a factory and take it with you elsewhere
>>2590357yes that is what the post you are replying to explicitly says
>>2590247Asians are honorary Americans, you euros wouldn’t understand.
>>2589480>pic2Such ugly people holding such beautiful flags, soysapiens.
>>2590211It will be called the Columbian Restoration
>>2590345>>2590351My respect for TRIF decreases when he starts leaving breadcrumbs for the feds. Learn some opsec you ginger fuck. Ain't you ever watch Columbo?
>>2590176Also even if the got A.I to work and it replaced a bunch of call center jobs and capitalist bureaucrats. That’s not going to produce any long term profits or value and it’s highly questionable if the infrastructure would be able to support these A.I systems in the first place.
>>2589768Damn, sucks to be you. still, Platner sucks and I feel the only reason the American left supports him is because they're desperate to get universal healthcare in the US by any means necessary as a result of decades of shame over the US not having it
>>2589756political discourse on reddit - at least among reddit liberals, including socdems/demsocs; idc about right-wing redditors - basically boils down to one of a few things:
1. American redditors going "omg, America sucks! I just learned Europeans have good public transportation, universal healthcare, a welfare state and good education unlike us stupid Americans! We wanna make everything more like Europe!!! I hate orange man and the republicans and everyone who voted for trump is evil and deserves what they get!"- in other words, they think Europe is the pinnacle of human society and don't think there's anything wrong with it or question aiming for anything beyond it
2. European redditors jerking themselves off over the above - "European here, why are burgers so inferior?" type shit
It's silly and unproductive. One side claims to be leftist but deep down they're basically just intensely self-hating burgers that want to move to Europe so they can become centrist European treatlerites, while the Euro-redditors are too self-absorbed and more treatlerite than they want to admit to themselves to do anything to actually push for meaningful resistance to the US outside of smug posturing, because it would mean having to break from the Marshall Plan-backed US support that makes their welfare states possible in the first place.
>>2589603vivek chibber is that you
either way, this is correct
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