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>>2584380Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Xi please invade Taiwan. Now is the time to do it.
>Attorney General Pam Bondi is ordering the FBI to “compile a list of groups or entities engaging in acts that may constitute domestic terrorism,” according to a Justice Department memo published here exclusively.
>The target is those expressing “opposition to law and immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders; adherence to radical gender ideology,” as well as “anti-Americanism,” “anti-capitalism,” and “anti-Christianity.”
<In addition to compiling a list of undesirables, Bondi directs the FBI to enhance the capabilities (and publicity) of its tipline in order to more aggressively solicit tips from the American public on, well, other Americans. To that end, Bondi also directs the FBI to establish “a cash reward system” for information leading to identification and arrest of leadership figures within these purported domestic terrorist organizations. (The memo later instructs the FBI to “establish cooperators to provide information and eventually testify against other members” of the groups.)
>The payouts don’t end there. Justice Department grants are now to prioritize funding to programs for state and local law enforcement to go after domestic terrorism.
<In a section titled “Defining the domestic terrorism threat,” the memo cites “extreme viewpoints on immigration, radical gender ideology, and anti-American sentiment” — indicators that federal law enforcement are instructed to refer to FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs). Those JTTFs are then instructed to “use all available investigative tools” in order to “map the full network of culpable actors involved” in both “inside and outside the United States.”
>The memo also directs the FBI and JTTFs to retroactively investigate incidents going back five years, authorizing the JTTFs in particular to use everything at their disposal to do so.https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/leak-fbi-list-of-extremists-is-coming I think America should be reformed somewhat
25 YEARS PRISON
>>2587201Calla Walsh moment
>>2587201I think this is bit of a simplification.
>>2587195
He's increasingly eyeing mainstream politics. He'll be with a Conservative institution within the decade.
>>2587206Richard Spenser 2.0. Riding with a 120 year old Biden.
>>2587201<t. Erik Felix of Real Houdini PodcastGo to bed Felex!!
>>2587206the 'conservative institution' is allergic to antisemitic talk show hosts. he also said he doesn't want to get into politics
>>2587213No it can't. Though for some reason right wingers seem to think it can.
>>2587215I severely doubt that. Some think tank or lobby group will take him on eventually
>>2587215>the 'conservative institution' is allergic to antisemitic talk show hosts. he also said he doesn't want to get into politicsbuddy, the zoomzoom staffers in the republican party privately heil hitler and say that the holcaust didn't happen… while simultaneously helping israel commit the modern day equivalent, which they will also deny when it is over.
and the democrats just spent 4 years giving 5 trillion bombs to azov battalion.
where do you think we live right now?
NATOism is Nazism + Zionism
>>2587215IDK why he doesn't go for it, why does he want to be a streamer forever? No ambition
I've come to the conclusion that internet talkingheads, podcasters and media accounts, left wing and right, are useless in this 21st century idealist "crusade" to "win over" people to "our side". If the whole purpose of social media companies are to algorithmically provide people with things they WANT to see so that we can talk about our frustrations with people who already believe in the things we already believe in, with no real worldly impact in our words. What's the point? All these fucking debater channels and accounts are pointless. We just dig ourselves deeper into cyberspace to retreat from the real world. The only useful thing about political social media is the exchanging of ideas and information.
>>2587231>I've come to the conclusion that internet talkingheads, podcasters and media accounts, left wing and right, are useless in this 21st century idealist "crusade" to "win over" people to "our side"It's the exact opposite
When revolution grips america the people will turn to 'leaders'. As cringe as it is those leaders will be political podcasters and talk show hosts. They hold the privilege of holding the attention of people. How else will the revolution be guided?
>>2587187Xi is not a fascist so he doesnt worship action for the sake of faction, Taiwan WILL be integrated into the PRC without a single bullet being shot and you WILL be happy.
>>2587232>he doesn't see the contradictions of the Israeli party accepting politicians that want to destroy IsraelRarted
>>2587234>talking is uselessdid you not read what I posted? I remember when Trump won and there was an article that showed that all the people who were sad about it and raging about it on twitter and facebook were only raging about it to people who agreed with them and nothing that they said reached anyone who was a trump voter or was neutral or whatever. Your anger and perceived internet fights and arguments are ironically one of the biggest reasons those cyber companies make so much money. It's not real. It's nothing. It's illusory.
>>2587236>How else will the revolution be guided?In the street?
>>2587241In the suburbs? Lol. You go to where the people are, not 'in the streets', but on their phones
>>2587236>When revolution grips americakek
>>2587247Oh ok you just don't know what anti semitism is
>>2587245xitter fight to overthrown the government
>>2587243You cannot reach to people. Social media coded, designed for you to click more. Click click click. Not to any real listening audience but simply to people who already believe in your ideas. Angry people click more. Political crisis makes these people richer beyond belief. Your "reaching" should be outside. You should engage people in person.
>>2587245Yes, your people are there. Your people. You try to engage right wing media, that's their world. You will be drowned out. Whereas a rightoid posting on left wing twitter will be drowned out by the left. Nothing goes into their camp, nothing from theirs goes to your camp. It is the algorithm.
this is the president who ranted on and on about the clintons and bush and here he is repeating the same shit tony blair did 20 years ago almost word for word
just replace chemicals with drugs
>>2587251>You will be drowned out.Actual skill issue
>>2587201One goes to campaign (read: mobilize lots of free labor and crowdfunding) for mainstream Democrats and the other… the same, but for diet limited edition shiny Democrats with a bow.
A third person shows up promoting not voting Democrat, and they get piled on by these two for "wrecking".
Then everyone saves (liberal)democracy together from some made up,bipartisan boogeyman (again) and the USA commits an unspeakable atrocity somewhere else in the world (again).
>Phew guys! >That was close! We nearly had president Bush Reagan BushJr Trump become eternal emperor of the greatest country on Earth. >>2587269How can EU respond without sounding mad?
>>2587195
>DO YOU LIKE NICK FUENTES NOW!!?!?!?! DO YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE SAY YOU LIKE HIM
He should die.
>>2587271They won't respond. They will seethe, silently, and then they will relent. Because America gives the orders. The markets logic is unquestionable. All porkies submit in the end.
But simultaneously to this, the EU is may become more competitive and potentially even pro-China (trade and business wise). So America is clearly going to promote Euroscepticism of the right wing populist variety to make the EU easier to dominate.
>>2587231You’re just realizing this now?
I mean, better late than never I guess
>>2587275The EU is about to escalate the war with Russia and America will have no choice but to sell them the weapons to make it happen
>>2587259Gotham was always a portrait of America’s soul
>>2587273It means sheikhs with absolute power are better to make massive transactions for Americas benefit, like a medieval king. It's also fundamental proof America NEVER cared about democracy in the Middle East. Sorry Kurds.
>>2587278>The EU is about to escalate the war with RussiaAbsolutely not. Whenever they say they're "escalating measures" that means they're going to announce new sanctions that won't mean anything anyway because Russia has some of the biggest economies signing new agreements to him to do substantial business that exceeds anything in Europe. The Europeans are preparing for a war. A defensive war. Not an offensive war, because they would never win that and they know it. America knows it too, and America would never supply Europe with a constant stream of weapons because they cannot afford to do that anymore.
>>2587281For some reason Euros sees Crimea as essential to European continental security
>The Europeans are preparing for a war. A defensive war. Not an offensive warGee when have I heard that before
>Europe with a constant stream of weapons because they cannot afford to do that anymore.Notice how I said 'sell' not 'give'. The Euros will pay out the nose for american armaments that also aligns with their interests in re-industrialization. Face it, Euro porky has no choice in getting into a fight with Russia
>>2587271>How can EU respond without sounding mad?Dropping the kayfabe and credibly threatening to leave/defund NATO and US orbit and snubbing the US from diplomacy with Russia. The latter would probably love it and play into the schism.
lol never, they'll keep wrecking themselves and self-imposing the new Marshall Plan. And if they were all Manchurian candidates and did so, US glowies would turn Ukraine into a Nazoid version of ISIS and destroy Europe as well.
>>2587286>For some reason Euros sees Crimea as essential to European continental securityWhy do you think? It's because that's how they keep their homes warm in winter. The Americans made a bad situation even worse by trying to extort Europe by getting them dependent on expensive cargo shipments of liquefied gas from America across the Atlantic which failed and even potentially destroying the nordstream pipe line. It's all a massive game of destroying competition to the bourgeois.
>sell not giveEven if the US sold them stuff, that's still going to take a glacier amount of time for the US to manufacture enough weaponry so they don't have a deficit afterwards that will take years to refill.
>>2587229Literally says that right after the ellipses (it's the … in case you don't know.)
I really wonder how we're going to get out of this generation of functional illiteracy.
>>2587290The Wise thing would be for Europe to make amends with Russia but even euro communists don't want that, the French communist party still denounces Russia as the aggressor in ukraine which is bonkers
>>2587229But democrats under biden including aoc voted to make antizionism criminalized as antisemitism
>>2587296Most communist parties believe the invasion of Ukraine was unnecessary but the war mongering of the west is equally, if not more so, wrong. At least my one does.
>>2587299>Most communist parties believe the invasion of Ukraine was unnecessary The reactionary ones yes
ANOTHER US Aircraft Carrier set sale from port for the Caribbean in the past few hours.
>>2587303
The European ones
>The war between Russia and Ukraine is part of a wider conflict between capitalist powers, between Russia on one side and Ukraine and the expansionist NATO powers on the other.
>Neither side in this war stands for the real interests of the peoples of Russia, Ukraine or of Europe more widely, which include living in peace and determining the future of their own society free from outside domination.
>Putin represents the interests of Russia’s big business oligarchs who profit from the theft of that country’s economic assets from the Russian working class. Far from wishing to restore the Soviet Union, he rejects socialism and has explicitly attacked Lenin’s policy of federalism and autonomy which guarantees the rights of nations and nationalities.
>The Ukrainian government represents the Ukrainian oligarchs who, like their Russian counterparts, stash their stolen wealth in Western banks such as Credit Suisse and launder much of their money through the City of London. The Ukrainian Communist Party and its MPs – who uphold Ukraine’s national sovereignty – have been banned and the country thrown open to Western capital.
>NATO is an alliance of imperialist powers, dominated by the US, with a long history of bombing, invading, occupying and partitioning sovereign nations up to the present day including Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria.
>The eastwards expansion of NATO and the EU in breach of documented pledges to ex-President Gorbachev and ex-Foreign Minister Shevardnadze; NATO’s military build-up in eastern Europe and the Baltic states and in the seas and oceans around Russia; the US- and fascist-backed coup to replace Ukraine’s democratically elected president by pro-Western politicians in 2014; the unpunished massacre at the Odessa trade union HQ; the refusal of the Ukrainian government to implement the UN-backed Minsk II Agreement including autonomy for the Donbas region; and in recent days – as recorded by observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) – the escalating attacks on the ‘People’s Republics’ in Donetsk and Lugansk … all have created the conditions for today’s war.
(Communist Party of Britain)
I'm not entirely against this evaluation.
>>2587273monarchist bros, we are so back
Meanwhile the ACP:
>"The ongoing Special Military Operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine is the main epicenter of the modern anti-fascist struggle. The Russian Federation's multi-vector policy aimed at overthrowing Western globalist hegemony and building a new, just world order is in keeping with the spirit of the Great Victory and should be supported by progressive left forces around the world," the statement reads.https://svpressa.ru/politic/news/463386/>>2587314This is pretty much just the /ukr/ line too. Meanwhile nuanced positions like
>>2587310 get you accused of imperialism
>>2587314You see this is too uncritical. The ACP are not truly materialist.
>just world orderLike what does that fucking mean? Do they think Putin wants world socialism? That he's going to export it post-war Trotsky style?
>>2587310 is pro-russian in a materialist way. Intelligent and level-headed.
>>2587320
This is true, but it has nothing to do with total Russian victory. The shattering of US hegemony is much, much more wider in scope. The fact America is losing the willpower to continuously provide military material for an extended period of time is a byproduct of events that have transpired since the 70s. The war just showed it off.
>>2587322
Historically materialist trends in the global economy indicated that Russia would win regardless on whether the masses "wanted it" or not.
>>2587310It's ok but at least it isn't as bad as the continental Europeans. The French be like:
>The war launched by Vladimir Putin against Ukraine on February 24 is odious and irresponsible. This choice is a crime against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of a country and against international law.
>It plunges the Ukrainian people into an unbearable nightmare and threatens the security of Europe and the world. The risk of an uncontrollable escalation increases every day. The situation is extremely serious. In such an interdependent world, this war is a failure for all, a failure for the collective security of Europe.https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pcf/pages/13972/attachments/original/1648723779/CN-Declaration-En.pdf >>2587191This is objectively good for the communist movement. Should it exist by 2028.
Obligatory All-Empire Worker's League shill post #123940329
>>2587195
Go back to /isg/
>American military support for France in the First Indochina War
>$3 billion (approx $40 billion in today’s money)
>resulted in America getting in further involved, with first major troop deployment in 1965, ending in 1970, whilst still being the most powerful military industrial power.
<American military support for Ukraine in the Russo-Ukrainian War
<approx $66 billion in military aid
<chickens out
>>2587322
>If the masses choose Russia it's better for the world.
t. self-hating westoid who have never been to post-soviet hellscape
>>2587322
>They want a side to pick
No they don't lol there's a reason capitalists spend trillions to psyop people with nationalism
>>2587319>uncriticalWhy should be I be critical of anti-fascism
What if I don't want a "side" to win a war? What if bourgeois war is bourgeois? Surely the proper mindset is to see which side will bring about a more peaceful environment for the victims of the war? In Russias case, if they win, it might be a way for Ukrainian communists to have a little bit more breathing room from total and complete suppression. And a block to western resource-grabbing imperialists.
>>2587338Because the Russian military looks the other way toward their own fascists, but that just complicate matters. We'll see if the peace conditions Russia seems to have accepted will bring about the end of the openly fascist elements of the Ukrainian military/government, who knows.
>>2587304
>They both are retard.
yes
>zero material difference
no
inb4 "acknowledging any material difference is the same as uncritically supporting one of them"
>U.S. LAYOFFS ARE ON TRACK TO EXCEED GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS LEVELS
>>2587341Russia agreed to the terms. The Euros haven't. I'm convinced they won't.
>>2587363wtf I'm trotskyist now?
>>2587314Correct. Denazification is necessary
>>2587372>denazification is necessaryWhat is the ACP going to do when half of Ukraine becomes a western occupied zone and the Nazis are kept in their military positions?
>>2586889>Bro you are actually retarded if you think we can't understand your basic ass lives lmao, it's not really that different from us (as vassals of your empire) other than that we live in America's world and you live in America. It's wild how supremacist americans are man, even so called leftists, they really have no clue of their own position in the worldNope. But if you're our vassal then throw us out. Others have done it. Like that's just classic republican and anti-imperial thought. It's probably your own political class that invited us in, right?
I don't know whether you will find this enlightening or bleak/depressing, but the vast majority of Americans do not care what the rest of the world thinks of them. Like forget the left, look at Trump's base, they actually get off on spiting the rest of the world. Call it a cultural norm or a different ~standpoint~ but people outside the U.S. often underestimate how little foreign approval functions as political legitimacy inside United States. You'll just make Americans angry the more you demand they seek it. They're just not wired like that, and the country was founded on a conscious rejection of that. You have to pet them like the direction of the hair on a donkey, otherwise the donkey will kick you.
This is very deeply rooted. The (very fringe) Marxist groups that are like "muh Western left" (despite being Western leftists themselves) and then seeking approval from others also has far more in common with small liberal elite circles than they realize as well. It's also signaling how dislocated they are. It's a good way to make yourself come across as repulsive to other Americans, it comes across as scraping. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, just being real. I'm not one of these people who thinks everything will be kumbaya if we just get to know each other more, we might like each other even less. What are we? U2? There was this stupid-ass Sting song from the 1980s about "I hope the Russians love their children too." Well what if they don't! Or they don't like our kids because they're a bunch of brats and need to understand only four things: A K 4 7. The hell do I know? But it shouldn't matter because empathy isn't the engine of politics, contradiction is. If you want to change American politics it has to be done in a way that works within its own logic, or the internal and necessary self-movement of contradictions within the society. This is a serious theoretical point.
>>2587319Is it correct for pig american to criticize russia for denazificating ukraine from the yoke of fascist monopolist capital? Of course not. The only correct position is unconditional support for the war of liberation and denazification.
>>2587376But Russia is monopoly capitalist…
>>2587374Russia has ignored the monopolists' pleas for the denazification to stop and continued pusing onward
>>2587378Then why have they said Americas recent peace plans are acceptable? This is clearly a victory for Russia, but it will probably just mean a neutered demilitarised Ukraine - repressive laws intact.
>>2587377Incorrect. Russia is not monopolist empire. Russia fights for its own territory and resources. You are a fascist
>>2587383>for its own territory and resources.Which are utilised primarily by dominant monopoly capitalists.
>>2587371
From a Marxist perspective, both the Democratic and Republican parties in the U.S. are understood as part of the capitalist state apparatus, serving the interests of the ruling bourgeois class and the imperialist system. The underlying argument is that both parties ultimately reinforce the status quo of capitalist exploitation, imperialist expansion, and systemic inequality. While they may differ in style, rhetoric, or specific policy details, both fundamentally maintain a capitalist, imperialist, and oppressive system. However, within this framework, material differences can still be identified, even when analyzing class dynamics and foreign policy, and ignoring identity politics, rhetoric, spectacle, and culture war.
While both parties are deeply committed to maintaining capitalist economic relations, the Democratic Party is somewhat more amenable to policies that might marginally address inequality (like raising the minimum wage or expanding social programs), while the Republican Party is more committed to austerity, tax cuts for the rich, and deregulation.
Where people on here really start to argue isn't whether these material differences actually exist (they do) but whether our response to those material differences should translate into unconditional/uncritical support, conditional/critical support, no support at all, or outright hostility.
And regarding the tendency of Democrats to put a friendly mask on American imperialism and band aids on the American working class's gaping wounds, while Republicans go "mask off" and strip away what few "treats" Americans get, that is also where people fight on here, because some people see conditional/critical support for the Republicans as accelerating the collapse of America and/or the class struggle by making everything worse, while others want to conditional/critical support for democrats as taking a small amount of pressure off the American working class so they have more time to organize.
inb4 there is no american working class, inb4 deliberate misinterpretation of description as prescription, inb4 argumentative nonsense
a service proletariat is still a proletariat
>>2587375>how little foreign approval functions as political legitimacy inside United Statesthat's not true for Florida. Gusanistland votes for the fervent anti-communist that will lead the superior white race(TM) army to end communism in Cuba, and around the world.
No president candidate that talks about in the slightliest about lifting Cuba's embargo will get Florida's votes.
>>2587382Wrong. Putin never agree
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/04/g-s1-100609/putin-ukraine-russia-war-us-peace-plan>>2587385Wrong. Russia's resources are best used by russian people than by monopolists and imperialists. You just want treats
why do maga communists uncritically support a traitor to the soviet union?
>>2587319>Do they think Putin wants world socialism?he was KGB
TRVST the PLQN
>>2587381Cuckgentina voting in favor is surprising
>>2587396The end of this clip is important. Rightoids like to go on about how good times create weak men, but in this instance. Nothing really "good" has occurred since the massive industrial collapse of the 1980's across the western world. The economy has simply balanced back and now we live in an uneasy world where most people work in services, financial or for the sale of commodities, to survive. It's not because of "weakness" that we cannot do the manual labor our coal mining metalworking dockworker ancestors did it's because our entire understanding of how we live, get work, make money and interact with society has changed because of the market. There are no good times. We are more isolated and confused than ever before.
>>2587398All nations should wage war against Israel and the US collectively.
>>2587381Saudi Qatar and UAE all voted yes interesting
>>2587391 (me)
>>2587375also that statement is far from truth. when biden won, all libs claimed with WAP that finally 'sane, normalcy, rule of low' etc. returned to the White House diplomacy.
trump ran on the issue of no more wars, peace candidate, tough (Peace Through Strength) foreign policy, etc.
so it's not true that Americans don't care about US foreign policy at all.
what they might ignore it's the root causes and the issues behind the US rule.
>>2587405because it's an easy PR layup and only the US and Jizzrael are willing to be mask off about this
>>2587408Still better than all of Europe
>>2587406>Poland will ban its communist party but will not combat the glorification of NazismDidn't WWII kill a fifth of their entire population? How fucking repulsive.
>>2587409what type of creature is this?
>>2587248the Burgers yearn to be as free as the Chinese
president xi liberate my peoples
>>2587419israeli porn is booming 😏
>>2587375You always find a way to babble outside the point gaynazi anon. Cutting off one head of the hydra doesn't do anything to kill the beast, it must be stabbed in the heart. That is not to say communists shouldn't seek to throw out the yankies, they should and they do.
>I don't know whether you will find this enlightening or bleak/depressing, but the vast majority of Americans do not care what the rest of the world thinks of themI don't find that to be surprising at all, again we live in your world, we are aware Americans don't give a shit. It's not some unique quirk of culture (you always emphasize idealism that way), it's a result of America's geographic and imperialist position in the world, which isolates and alienates the populace from the rest of the world, they see nothing beyond America because there is nothing of consequence for them there and everywhere they do look, their own imperialist influence is already there, they have basically no frame of reference outside of that. Even people on the internet, whom they can speak to, only speak english because of america's global communication and media monopoly
>>2587419That infographic is undoubtedly because of the constantly regurgitated lie that Lend-Lease "won the war" and I wanna get this off my chest for your guys sake.
Lend-Lease was important because it was accepted the Eastern Front was the most important theatre of the war. When the Americans first started giving tanks to the Soviet Union it was to replenish the initial tank and aircraft losses caused from Operation Barbarossa when the Germans were on an initial winning streak, blasting Soviet airfields with almost no resistance. The Soviets liked American and British planes, but they despised American tanks because they didn't receive Shermans until 1943, they received M3 Stuarts which had high profiles, shitty guns and terrible armor and had an issue with overheating which Soviet tank crews despised. They were easy targets for the Germans. By 1943 the Soviets had gotten their war economy in full swing and were on the offensive. You know who did need American tank support DESPERATELY? The British? Almost ALL of their tanks had been abandoned in the Battle for Dunkirk and the ones they had at North Africa had such poor guns they had to go suicidally close to the Germans to penetrate. Did you know the British named most American WW2 tanks because they were the first ones to use them in battle? The Stuart, Lee, Grant and the Sherman were all named by the British.
People who read books will know Lend Lease mostly comprised of food. Canned meat mostly. British and American weapons, trucks, tanks, material aid and planes made up only 4% of the total amount of Soviet military material. Britain’s, on the other hand, was 10%.
>>2587432>People who read booksAn endangered species
>>2587434
I mean yeah, but food was the most desired. Leningrad was starved inhumanly by the Germans and Finns for like 800+ days. They ate bread with sawdust in it and ate glue made from animal bones.
>>2587432>America provided roughly 14,000 aircraft to the Soviet Union during World War II via Lend-Lease, making up about10-13% of total Soviet aircraft production but a much higher percentage (around 16-23%) of specific combat types like fighters and bombers, especially vital in the early war years and in Air Defense (PVO) units where they formed a majority of aircraft, note
>>2587414they follow "dual genocide" theory which in practice means they will pay lip service to denouncing nazism (strictly in its 1939-1945 german form) and then focus 95% of their state power on slandering and banning communism which is "the same as nazism".
My favorite one of the USSR simmp sophists about how the USSR was about to invade Japan and that's why America went evil mode and nuked them and if they didn't nuke them the USSR would have successful invaded before America.
>The United States provided the entirety of the Soviet Union's significant ocean-going landing craft capability during World War II, as the Soviets produced very few of their own.
With what fucking boats?
>>2587444>especially vital in the early war years Yes, the early war years. Do you know how fucked the Red Air Force was in 1941? The Germans devastated a large amount of the USSRs western airfields in the opening months of Barbarossa. They were completely outgunned and outnumbered by the German fighters and divebombers. They shot up and blew up hundreds of fighters before the aircrew could get up from the ground. In Stalingrad the Red Army force would practically lose every air battle and had to rely on biplanes a lot. But again by 1943 the Soviets had put their war economy into full gear and they produced lots of Yak aircraft which turned the tide. Lend Leases purpose was to fill the gaps whilst the Soviets prepared to unleash their industrial capabilities to outnumber and dominate the Germans.
>>2587442>Leningrad was starved inhumanly by the Germans and Finnsand modern western historiography calls that the "continuation war" like it was completely separate from the Axis war effort and le wholesome chungus democratic finns were just independently getting their comeuppance on all those evil communist starving children
>>2587456And something the wholesome chungus WW2 idealists really don't want you to discuss is how Britain and France were stupidly close to actually invading Norway and helping the Finns fight Stalin back in 1939-40.
>>2587457It's almost like Zhukov knew what people would be saying generations after he died. He deserved all those billions of medals.
>>2587453>With what fucking boats?the same boats they used to take the Kurils?
>>2587464>the same boats they used to take the Kurils?The boats the Americans gave them?
How sad to keep on forever with this "lost cause" ideology simping for a dead empire. If they really were that great, they'd still exist and you wouldn't be relegating to simping for them on a dead imageboard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy>>2587468yes? what's your point? did americans have a remote self-destruct button for those boats or what?
>>2587471>lost causeBut their cause wasn't invented half a century later by a bunch of racists who wanted to preserve their biased forced labour system of blacks in the south.
>>2587467>The US and Britain destroyed the entire industrial capacity of Nazi Germany single-handedly with zero help from the USSR. The USSR would've lost 100% without that.yeah they also helped build hitler up in the first place. Let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters.
>>2587476Why praise anyone? I don't see anything about WW2 as praiseworthy. What is praise-worthy about 10s of millions dying?
Contrary to popular belief, the German war economy was shit. Britain managed to surpass aircraft and tank production numbers by 1941.
>>2587480you didn't understand the sarcasm in the statement "let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters?"
>>2587471hey retard, the subject of WW2 revisionism came up, try to keep up.
>>2587478>the guys fighting against 5% of the nazi army did just as much as the guys fighting the 95%u r dumb
>>2587484>you didn't understand the sarcasm in the statement "let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters?"I got that, but your statement implies like someone else is praisworthy, like the USSR. With 20/20 hindsight, the victors fucked up repeatedly and so many less people would died.
It still staggers me how Stalin "didn't know" the Germans were preparing to invade. The NKVD found German leaflets that instructed Germans how to say "are you a communist" and "hands up" in Russian and Stalin still didn't believe anything was going to happen.
To be fair, he was certain the British were fucking with him. The British wanted to bomb Baku a year before but didn't get to do it because the French lost. Churchill was obsessed with helping the Finns.
>>2587467in 1945 when the Red Army has already crushed the Wehrmacht and was advancing in Germany?
is this blatant anticommunist revisionism straight from a nazi germany general's memoirs some kneejerk brainrot reaction to /ukr/ shit?
>>2587492>Was Stalin retarded?No, just too soft.
>>2587494>in 1945 when the Red Army has already crushed the Wehrmacht and was advancing in Germany?Read a book. The UK and British strategic bombing completely crippled Nazi Germany. It started in 1940 by the Brits and then with America once they entered the war.
>>2587504>it started in 1940Yeah in like August. Britain originally did not raid Germany regularly because, and I quote, "to avoid damaging private property".
The German war economy was shattered not just by British bombing (Americans helped but they were notoriously bad at night raids) but by Soviet advances taking back strategically important material deposits like oil, fuel, food, rubber and manganese. A lack of manganese made German tank armour brittle, less reliable and needing to be thicker to subdue its defects, which cost more money and forced the Nazis to make their economic black hole wundewaffes.
>>2587498war-weary, not soft. Also in the aftermath of WW2 only one country had nuclear weapons: The USA. Which is precisely why nuking Japan was a show of force not to Japan, but to the USSR. It was as if to say "Go past Berlin Stalin, I dare you."
if nuke bad, why mushroom cloud so beautiful?
>>2587513The allies destroyed all of their fuel refineries tho. The thing you need to actually make the tank move no matter how brittle it is or not.
>>2587527>DestroyedNo. Just exhausted their ability to produce fuel. They only ran out in 1945 when their tanks and aircraft to become immobilised.
>>2587527>The allies Meant UK and US. This guy's take is interesting:
https://www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/kak_sojuzniki_nam_pomogali_186.htm
> To this story is worth adding a couple of dates. Shortly after the first massive plaque on synthetic fuel factories on June 23, 1944, an offensive operation began in Belarus, known as the Bagration, and on July 6, 1944, the Allied landing began in Normandy. Thus, the calculation of the American command becomes extremely clear: to bombine synthetic fuels in advance so that by the time of landing, German troops and aviation would expend their reserves and face a shortage of fuel. This would not allow them to actively counteract in the air and conduct counter-offensive operations. Although they failed to completely deprive the Germans of fuel, nevertheless, the destruction of a significant part of the capacity and a significant reduction in fuel production played a role and became one of the significant factors that ensured the success of offensive operations in 1944-1945, which ended with the complete surrender of Germany.
> An interesting question arises: what prevented the Allies from bombing plants for the production of synthetic fuels before? It was quite within the strength of the British Air Force in the first half of the war (in 1940 13 thousand tons of bombs, in 1941 - 31.5 thousand tons, in 1942 - 45.5 thousand tons, in 1943 - 157.4 thousand tons of bombs). If the forces of the Allied aviation were redirected from Berlin (for which about 540 thousand tons of bombs were dropped for the war) on synthetic fuel plants, then it was possible to achieve the necessary effect. Even with low accuracy of bombing of British aviation, hitting even a part of the bombs was under serious damage. And if the British Air Force had carried out such an airstrike on the production of synthetic fuels in Germany in the spring of 1942, it would be easier for us!
>The German army, with a reduction in fuel supplies, it would be much more difficult to besiege Leningrad, it is more difficult to advance in Ukraine, in the North Caucasus, to rush to the Volga. The course of war would be completely different.
>In 1943, a strike at synthetic fuel plants was also no less necessary. Then, after a grandiose defeat on the Kursk arc, the German army would break down many months faster than it happened. Therefore, if the Allies intended to provide us with substantial assistance and, in general, to turn the course of the war to their advantage as soon as possible, the bombing of synthetic fuel plants would be one of the most effective means to achieve this goal.
>But it didn't happen. Bombing of factories began only after the allies needed to launch their own offensive operation in Europe. However, for the time being, the Allies were not particularly and tried to prevent Germany from waging a large-scale war against the USSR. In general, the same situation as it did before, during the First World War. Apparently, it is high time for Russia to draw decisive conclusions regarding allies, both former and present.
< К этой истории стоит добавить пару дат. Вскоре после первого массированного налета на заводы синтетического горючего 23 июня 1944 года началась наступательная операция в Белоруссии, известная под названием «Багратион», а 6 июля 1944 года началась высадка союзников в Нормандии. Таким образом, расчет американского командования становится предельно ясным: заблаговременно разбомбить заводы синтетического горючего, чтобы к моменту высадки немецкие войска и авиация израсходовали свои запасы и столкнулись с дефицитом горючего. Это не позволило бы им вести активное противодействие в воздухе и проводить контрнаступательные операции. Хотя полностью лишить немцев топлива им не удалось, тем не менее, уничтожение значительной части мощностей и существенное сокращение производства горючего сыграло свою роль и стало одним из весомых факторов, обеспечивших успех наступательных операций в 1944-1945 годах, которые закончились полной капитуляцией Германии.
< Возникает интересный вопрос: а что мешало союзникам разбомбить заводы по производству синтетического горючего раньше? Это было вполне по силам британским ВВС в первой половине войны (в 1940 году 13 тыс. тонн бомб, в 1941 — 31,5 тыс. тонн, в 1942 году — 45,5 тыс. тонн, в 1943 году — 157,4 тыс. тонн бомб). Если бы силы союзной авиации были перенацелены с Берлина (на который за войну было сброшено около 540 тыс. тонн бомб) на заводы синтетического горючего, то можно было добиться нужного эффекта. Даже при низкой точности бомбардировок британской авиации попадание в цель даже части бомб вело к серьезным повреждениям. И если бы британские ВВС нанесли такой авиаудар по производству синтетического горючего в Германии весной 1942 года, как бы нам было легче!
<Немецкой армии при сокращении поставок топлива было бы значительно труднее осаждать Ленинград, труднее наступать на Украине, на Северном Кавказе, рваться к Волге. Ход войны был бы совершенно другим.
<В 1943 году удар по заводам синтетического горючего тоже был не менее необходим. Тогда, после грандиозного поражения на Курской дуге, немецкая армия надломилась бы на много месяцев быстрее, чем это произошло. Следовательно, если бы союзники намеревались оказать нам существенную помощь и вообще как можно быстрее повернуть ход войны в свою пользу, то бомбардировки заводов синтетического горючего стали бы одним из наиболее эффективных средств для достижения этой цели.
<Но этого не произошло. Бомбардировки заводов начались только после того, как союзникам потребовалось начать собственную наступательную операцию в Европе. Впрочем, до поры до времени союзники не особо и старались препятствовать Германии вести широкомасштабную войну против СССР. В общем, сложилась такая же ситуация, как складывалась и ранее, во время Первой мировой войны. Видимо, России давно пора сделать решительные выводы относительно союзников, и бывших, и нынешних. >>2587424>You always find a way to babble outside the point gaynazi anon. Cutting off one head of the hydra doesn't do anything to kill the beast, it must be stabbed in the heart.This is just Dungeons & Dragons. I have to say I find this way of speaking about politics to be very strange. There have been left-wing groups here that thought like this and their effects were negative on the whole, I think. They didn't have a coherent strategy, it was basically self-expression. Most Americans are just going to assume you're asking them to rope themselves. That's not realistic.
>It's not some unique quirk of culture (you always emphasize idealism that way), it's a result of America's geographic and imperialist position in the world, which isolates and alienates the populace from the rest of the worldWell yeah there are two oceans. It's a continental island-sized nation-state. We're not going to undo that structure by arguing in circles like this.
>>2587527>Despite its successes, by the spring of 1944 the Combined Bomber Offensive had failed to dislocate the German economy or inflict severe disruptions in the production of vital items; the oil campaign missions were the first targeted attacks to accomplish these goals.so it only really came online by 1944
>Several prominent German military officers, however, described the oil campaign as critical to the defeat of Nazi Germany.but of course it was praised by nazi sources desperate to detract from their epic btfoing by the Soviets kek
>>2587532lmfao the rest of the world is going to advance beyond us, and then once able, kill us for what we've done while we're too busy arguing over the "realpolitik" of even seeing them as human because "tee hee most americans don't see non americans as human and you have to work with that"
if I can move my family to china before that point I will
What is the end goal of the neoliberal project? What will be the financiers last gamble? Full scale war? Of poorer countries to sap their resources? Of former allies?
>>2587539Why would there be an end goal? That sounds like idealism. Materialists live in the moment and do what material benefits them.
>>2587541Because capitalism must, by nature, enter a crisis and that crisis must result in another mutation - more extreme - to keep some resemblance of balance. Neoliberalism is more greedy and wasteful than the system that it replaced. It will eventually run out of fuel to keep itself up. It needs more foreign labour and more capital. The debt keeps going up and up and up and its need for resources to counter its diminishing domestic workforce goes up and up and up
>>2587543Yeah, that sounds like the opposite of having an end goal.
>>2587545Then forget I said "end goal". Pretend I said "final emergency measure".
honkoid status?
More than half of USAmericans can't read to a sixth grade level, what does this actually mean?
I send emails to people, and they call me because they clearly can't figure out what I said.
And on here I talk to "communists" who will make up shit you didn't say and get intimidated by a comment longer than a paragraph.
>>2587564Yet another reason we need communism. Even liberals and reactionaries have to admit that if there's ONE thing communists historically do well it's literacy campaigns.
>>2587564it means this thread needs more pictures and less text
we also need custom emojis like hexbear has
>>2587566Socialist curriculums are always better. I've always been impressed by how clever Russians raised in the USSR and the Eastern Bloc were.
>>2587572Cuba is too smart. It needs to be bombed and regime changed so it can be dumb dumb like me
Remember when the U.S stopped even charity groups providing medical aid to Cuba during covid yet they still managed to develop their own vaccine? Imagine what Cuba could become if it was completely free to trade with everyone. I know China is paving the way but so far all China can do is supply via aeroplane.
>>2587564Oh also, this is a more pressing reason for everyone here to thoroughly read and study Capital. As the American population becomes more and more illiterate and retarded, it becomes even more important that the revolutionary vanguard sharpens its theoretical skills lest it too become brain damaged.
>>2587589Ron Paul is the definition of a based retard.
>>2587589only 4.1 more years bros…
>>2587591>>2587592btw if you look it up on youtube they changed the end from "now they work for us" to "now their money is toilet paper"
>>2587595This is a tale as old as time. I'm pretty sure this "shifting" of global power began after the decline of domestic oil production in America when they stopped backing the US dollar up with gold - making the dollar a slowly dropping reserve currency. Cockshott talked about it.
>>2587532>This is just Dungeons & DragonsIt's just flowery language to say that America has a stranglehold on the world and any revolutionary activity is simply going to be held back until the america problem is taken care of
>There have been left-wing groups here that thought like this and their effects were negative on the whole, I think. They didn't have a coherent strategy, it was basically self-expressionIm not asking you to start a new weather underground anon, Im asking you to take the question of american imperialism seriously for what it is. The largest and most powerful organized force for anticommunism this planet has ever seen
>Most Americans are just going to assume you're asking them to rope themselves. That's not realistic. Im talking to you, not most americans
>Well yeah there are two oceans. It's a continental island-sized nation-state. We're not going to undo that structure by arguing in circles like this.Us talking about it, discussing the reasons for it is better than you just essentializing it as part of your cultural heritage and complicity endorsing it.
>>2587580Yeah, at worst I can see the U.S being economically isolated and we see decades of stagnation and decline. Idk if anyone’s seen the movie looper but I think they had a pretty good idea of the trajectory of the U.S. just a hollowed out and completely ran by gangsters, while being 20 years behind china.
>>2587595I've been slandered as a "lolbertarian goldbug" on here for reminding people that US fiat is inherently inflationary, and has no real value beyond people being forced to use it, domestically because of tax liability, and foreign because of US hegemony. Gold on the other hand, doesn't rot, is portable, durable, easily, stored, and is expensive due to the high amount of labor time required to mine and smelt the ore. It's literally a safe bet, barely more risky than a CD or a bond.
>>2587611>Idk if anyone’s seen the movie looper but I think they had a pretty good idea of the trajectory of the U.S. just a hollowed out and completely ran by gangsters, while being 20 years behind china.interesting. I pirated that years ago but never bothered watching it lol
>>2587605There is a supreme irony to this. The might of the Spanish Empire, with all its abundant wealth, got out-competed by the manufacturing mercantile powers of England and Holland - even though it was Spanish gold paying for their commodities - and slowly became less powerful than the British and Dutch empires. Now America is being out-competed by the Chinese. And the Americans can do nothing but buy more of it. Massive influxes of gold and silver also hyper inflated the Spanish imperial economy, devaluing their currency, combined with a lack of industrial development in comparison to its rivals. Just like the American empire.
>>2587617Them not talking about "Maintain" being fascism. Like this is literally what happened in Spain n the 1930s.
>>2587626yes, but also "redistribute" means "redistribute the imperial loot only to the people inside the borders"
Take: America has a petty bourgeois majority which is why it's so reactionary
>>2587629I really, really don't think the majority of americans are self-employed.
>>2587595It's a hell to know that Trump's imperialist shift to the Western Hemisphere is a conscious reaction by a section of the bourgeoisie against the collapsing dollar (and resultant knowledge that they cannot maintain unipolar dominance for long) and yet not be able to do anything with this knowledge. I'm a lost prophet crying out in the wilderness.
>>2587630The majority of Americans own land and a home which makes them petty bourgeois
>>2587629It has a lumpenprole plurality with a petty bourgeois + labor aristocrat majority
Probably like 40% lumpen
25% petty bourgeois
25% labor aristocrat%
10% bourgeois
>>2587632It's obvious to those know. Trump is a dumb moron, he's not the real one in power. The economists are, they have brains, they know what's going on. They force that fat fucks hand. Imports have dictated the fall of the US Dollar for 40 years, so it NEEDS more, like a blood transfusion.
>>2587637That would make sense if they used that land for something productive.
>>2587637They don't own their homes, the bank does. They are renters in all but name.
>>2587632>and yet not be able to do anything with this knowledgeorganize an antiwar movement to prevent the US from fucking with latin america. appeal to the popular sentiment against "forever wars"
>>2587644>They don't own their homes, the bank doesyeah home ownership statistics include people who haven't paid off mortgage yet , which I always thought was misleading, since one missed payment = lose the home
>>2587648>organize an antiwar movement to prevent the US from fucking with latin america.This is extremely difficult to do without a ground invasion. Most people unfortunately only really get fired up about stopping wars when American soldiers start dying.
owning a shitty copy paste house with an astroturfed "garden" isn't something that draws profit I feel, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>2587653>Most people unfortunately only really get fired up about stopping wars when American soldiers start dying.then just lie and make it about that even if it's at low risk of happening. 500,000 people protested the iraq war even though way fewer americans died than iraqis.
>>2587655you can theoretically rent it out to someone else which makes you a potential landlord. This is my situation. I rent a home from a guy paying a mortage lol
Nobody cared about the Gulf War when it was being fought. The antiwar protestors became sidelined. It just was a "thing" that was "happening". It didn't affect anyone personally. The Gaza conflict affected people because it was so obviously obscene and graphic.
>>2587638That means that the majority of America is reactionary none the less.
>>2587642They do. The home and land is fully commodified and treated like an appreciating asset rather than a place to live. Under capitalism land and a home are assets not just a place to live.
>>2587660>That means that the majority of America is reactionary none the less. yes, though, some nuance, reactionary is a political position not a class position. a bourgeois person can be a revolutionary and a class traitor. Like Engels. But that's statistically unlikely
>>2587564>More than half of USAmericans can't read to a sixth grade level, what does this actually mean? It means that on top of mass literacy campaigns, a post-revolutionary society needs to dish out punishments for tech porkies who purposefully retarded the population through internet brainrot.
On top of that there needs to be strict controls on smartphone/device use by kids, and encourage mass shaming for people who let devices/the internet raise their kids. Hell I'd go a step further and say turning your child into an iPad kid gets you a visit from the socialist version of Child Protective Services.
America needs smart people, as in, it needs economists to give me radical measures to make the green line go up because the green line is not going up.
>>2587678Certified MAGA communists. There really is nothing new under the sun.
would you stroke trotskys frizzy hair
early 1900s I mean
>>2587660>They do. The home and land is fully commodified and treated like an appreciating asset rather than a place to live. Under capitalism land and a home are assets not just a place to live.If I buy canned food in anticipation of food going up, and I intend to resell that canned food for a higher price, I have petty bourgeois aspirations, but most people don't buy food to use it as a speculative asset, same with homes. They buy it with the use value in mind, not the exchange value.
>>2587680perhaps maga communist muscle, in a sporadic and initially disorganised united front, in the not too distant crisis future, is the way.
>>2587684Nah. Russia was a different situation and political climate. Every single one of the MAGA "communists" can, will, and probably already have turn to open fascism.
>>2587688I think 80% of magacommunists are just very deluded "anti revisionists" (they haven't read anything from lenin yet) like trad-cath types "I'm trying to find my real spirituality" and they just spend half their day watching podcasts and talking heads as their spiritual sustenance when the church is right fucking there down the road, dude.
MTG sounding fire on 60 minutes. Its wild that she was the most anti imperialist voice in congress, she outflanked fuckin AOC
>>2587655>>2587683Wrong. Home owners are not proletarians. They buy homes for the exchange value. They could just rent if they wanted use value. They take on the mortgage entirely for exchange value reasons
>>2587572healt innovations
>>2587668Wrong. The imperialist amerikan petty-bourgeois is genocidal. All of their houses are build on stolen lands. Their most advanced voice is tucker carlson or nick fuentes. Research has shown they comprise most of imperialist armed forces.
>>2587719>>2587754on one hand, I shouldn't have reposted it without knowing the source. On the other hand, when I asked an anon the other week what the source was, when they first posted it 3 or 4 threads ago, they didn't answer me. It seems the only way to find a source for a quote is to post it and get people to yell at you for it lol
>>2587761More often than not, if you can't find a source for a quote it means it's either made up or it came from dubious sources. Not always, but most of the time.
>>2587761a good prole doesn't ask for a source
>>2587715if they read more heidegger they would be less spooked
>>2587673Yet no analysis I've seen takes into account this fact that America has a reactionary majority. And I would argue that most people's politics reflect their class basis. Americans are majority reactionary because a majority of Americans are either bourgeois, petty bourgeois or directly benefit from imperialism (this amounts to tens of millions alone) and therefore have a materialist reason to oppose revolutionary Communism.
>>2587683Lots of people do buy their home as both a speculative asset and a place to live. This is a key aspect of home ownership in America and other capitalist nations.
>>2587817his full schizo thoughts on the matter can be found here:
>>>/dead/5617 >>2587823Honestly, when people write these rambling ass pseudo-intellectual screeds with 0 structure it always read to me like:
>If 2+2 = 4 and their are four letters in four, but the first letter in first is f, but first has five letters, but five also starts with f, but five has four letters and 5-4 = 1, and the first letter of the alphabet is A….Like ok, dude, even every if every statement in that long chain is true, what possible insight do you think could be gained from it?
>>2587835What will actually happen to them over there?
>>2587794Hitler was retarded but he wasn't senile, Trump genuinely has Alzheimer's.
>>2587845hey BE why do you feel the need to spam your garbage here
is it because you don't get attention on bigger sites?
>Badempanada fan
>reddit spacing
like clockwork
>>2587845 (me)
Ah shit, I didn't realize the video got saved in 4k. Enjoy the pixels, I guess…
lel
>WTF?!?!??!!? an elected official said to not be violent?!?!?!?!?!?
>>2587851Much like repeatedly extending sympathy to Zionists
Or repeatedly calling Venezuela and Cuba "authoritarian dictatorships" at the time the US is about to coup de grace them
Or smearing pro-Palestine protests and slogans at a time of Zionist media consolidation and censorship
Or backtracking on anti-zionism
…Mamdani could just say nothing. He has won. He doesn't have to go out of his way to tow the Democrat line.
But he wants to, because that's what progresses his career and soon enough, Mamdani won't need all the people who backed those things.
>>2587845Not to be an authority cuck or anything but even citizens don't have the right to resist cops even if they're blatantly infringing your rights. So resisting arrest is likely to get you slapped with multiple felonies and get your ass deported anyway.
It's shitty and gay but it's not unreasonable advice, especially from an elected official.
>>2587845The only substantive difference between Mamdani and Trump is the precise identity of who they think should benefit from American imperialism.
>>2587777>a good prole doesn't ask for a sourcequads wasted on the stupidest fucking shit i ever heard
>>2587845>know your rightsBro they are literally masked thugs who hope out of unmarked vans, grab you, ziptie you, and haul you off to concentration camps that aren't even connected to a federal database. "Knowing your rights" won't do shit to stop these fucking pigs and Mamdani knows this very well. What a scumbag.
>>2587873Zohran's campaign used the same agency as platner and fetterman btw. "Fight Agency" specializes in fake "outsider" candidates
>>2587856The only way to combat ICE is for community members to literally forcibly prevent them from arresting/kidnapping people. It has successfully been done several times now because ICE thugs, in addition to being brutish pigs, are also cowards and don't like to get into actual confrontation.
If Mamdani had a genuine socialist bone in his body he would advocate for this form of resistance.
"B-but that's illegal! He's a p-p-public official!"
Who cares? Is he a socialist or not? Eugene Debs was willing to be imprisoned for his beliefs. Something tells me Mamdani is made of much weaker stuff.
>>2587875That's hilarious. The American left literally cannot stop falling for one of the oldest tricks in the book.
>>2587876something tells me you will do nothing except post about the weakness of the others
you are the weakest of all
Eh, Mamdani's still preferable to Cuomo, but I mean our hopes for a better world should not hang solely on a Democratic politician. Rather we need to build work-class organizations.
>>2587841I don't think Trump has Alzheimers. I was coping that both he and Joe Biden were "Equally Senile" back in 2020. How wrong I was. Trump just talks like a salesman, which means he talks at a 6th grade level, since that is where most Americans are at mentally. He's the perfect politician if you look at it that way.
>>2587876Mamdani doesn't want to resist the system, he thinks the system is fundanentally good and normal and the only problem is that it's not polite enough. Notice how DSSA did absolutely nothing to fight against the deportations and camps set up by the Democrats. Why? Because they weren't so rude about it. They still deported record numbers of people but they did so quietly and politely so it was good enough for the social imperialists.
>>2587845What exactly am I supposed to be outraged about with that video? You're mad the democrat mayor isn't Felix-posting and demanding people to go get shot by ICE?
No, seriously. What did you expect?
>>2587907You might expect a socialist to offer some resistance against fascism but Mamdani isn't a socialist.
>>2587907Actually, now that I think about it, this is more than any of the trade unions, like the UFW, have done for its immigrant members (which is nothing.)
At least giving them legal information about their rights is more useful than nothing, or Felix posting demanding people to go punch cops (and get shot.)
I'm not defending DSA cuckery as a valid route towards any revolution, but you people chose reformism and this is what it looks like. You're mad the DNC isn't some Maoist terror cell?
>>2587249you aren't making any sense. I just read this entire conversation over and I can only conclude you are illiterate.
>>2587691>MTG sounding fire on 60 minutes. Its wild that she was the most anti imperialist voice in congress, she outflanked fuckin AOC<“He did this in the same time span where President Trump brought in the al Qaeda leader that was wanted by the U.S. government, who is now the president of Syria. Then within a week, he brought in the Crown Prince, MBS, who murdered an American journalist. And then he brought in the newly elected Democrat Socialist mayor of New York,” she said. “That was the time span that he called me a traitor.”AOC has not tweeted about Syria since 2019, probably didn't get a CIA memo!
>>2587848>hey BE why do you feel the need to spam your garbage hereI notice how you deny anything in this "reply", just pure jealous seething that people follow BadEmp. How sad that no one would ever follow you! lol
>>2587910I would never tell people to punch cops because that's how you lose a fight. I would tell them to ambush the pigs with infantry armed with rifles and IEDs. Which is what Mamdani would do, if he was a leftist.
>>2587925you forgot to explain how the IRA successfully used this tactic to take over urban areas.
>>2587926You're right, they did do that, and they liberated entire towns for decades. No police would enter places where the IRA was active. We could easily do the same to ICE but Americans are the most cucked people on earth.
>>2587898Such a random af population to target.
It’s literally because Illhan Omar, isn’t it?
>>2587691>>2587916In the 4th century, St. Augustine identified a particular pathology of the Christian faith, being
incurvatus in se, or "bent/turned in one oneself," "self-absorbed" or "solipsistic" instead of serving "God and others." Martin Luther used the concept to describe the tendency to lose capacity for compassion for humanity and faith in God's love while hypocritically and arrogantly asserting the soundness of their Christian belief.
In the 1950s and 1960s, the ethologist John B. Calhoun constructed a social experiment with "utopian" rat colonies. Rats in a confined space had unlimited food and water, as well as protection from predators, but their high population density resulted in various abnormal, destructive behaviors including the rats losing social skills, refusing to engage in courtship, abandoning their young, and eventually veering towards extinction. This became known as a "behavioral sink" and Calhoun himself saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of humankind.
In our world, deepening objective and subjective economic and social crises are fueling anomie and breeding selective empathy among humans towards their fellow human beings. People take refuge in simplification and mythic fantasies constructed by various ultra-cynical operators with enormous wealth and power together with conspiracy theorists who promote simplistic narratives based around demonizing the Other.
>>2587691It is actually embarrassing
>>2587944>In our world, deepening objective and subjective economic and social crises are fueling anomie and breeding selective empathy among humans towards their fellow human beings. People take refuge in simplification and mythic fantasies constructed by various ultra-cynical operators with enormous wealth and power together with conspiracy theorists who promote simplistic narratives based around demonizing the Other.brainrot always wins
>>2587936>It’s literally because Illhan Omar, isn’t it?She won "Antisemite of the year" 2019, the same year a literal neo nazi shot up a synagogue lmfao.
we live in a stupid ass country.
>>2587624those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it through action, and those who do know history are doomed to repeat it verbally while getting called gay nerds.
>>2587681sure
i would put hair mask on that shit
>>2587173this video convinces me the US empire is doomed and its long term strategy is retarded and self defeating lol
>>2587504>>2587467Germany's war effort was moved underground by 1942, production peaked in fucking 1944, the Soviets encircling Czechoslovakia actually crippled the German war effort.
>>2587467And the USSR destroyed the majority of the German army and the entirety of its experienced veteran troops, without which landing to retake France would have been impossible.
>>2587314>just world orderCSTO invaded Kazakhstan in 2023 by the way. And, where are the russian protests against the Sudan genocide?
I didn't see any U-Hauls during ᴉuᴉlossnWs march on Rome
>>2587417Finland’s national animal
>>2587845Bad Empanada looks like Destiny but if Destiny had a lisp and a tan
>>2588065>CSTO invaded Kazakhstan in 2023??????
>>2588151he means russian and friends peacekeepers were sent to help some corrupt president keep his country in order when protestors broke out
it was in 2022 not 2023
>>2588152>Kazakhstan's President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev requested help, calling protesters "international terrorists".Oh ok that poster is just stupid
>>2587845>all these replies sweeping for ZiohranLOL
>Mayor Mamdani Unleashes the Wrath of KhanInvestment professionals who work on Wall Street may be in need of grief counseling—or at least a hug and a strong drink—as they try to cope with the fallout from November’s New York City mayoral election. It is not just that self-proclaimed democratic socialist Zohran Mamdani will soon occupy the Mayor’s office; it is also that he appointed former Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Chair Lina Khan to his transition team. Khan’s tenure at the FTC was marked by the abandonment of the “consumer welfare standard,” which judges a business's actions by how they affect consumers—which is the way businesses succeed or fail in the free market.
The consumer welfare standard guided antitrust policy from the Reagan years until the Biden presidency. Khan and her allies replaced it with a throwback to the “big is de facto bad” approach to antitrust policy. Khan also promoted what she called “holistic” antitrust which justified government intervention to stop—or at least delay—almost every merger, acquisition, or other business action that would have increased a company's market share, regardless of the impact on consumers.
During Khan's tenure as FTC Chair, the agency filed a record number of challenges to mergers, with a particular focus on the threat of “big tech.” Khan’s war against successful businesses made her a progressive superstar and public enemy number one among free-market conservatives, as well as centrist Democrats and the business community. For example, CNBC commentator and financial advisor Jim Cramer called Khan a “one woman wrecking crew.” Now, Khan will be influencing policy in the financial capital of the world.
Khan, speaking at a Pod Save America event, said that her work in the transition team was focusing on things like taking a full accounting of all of the laws and authorities that the mayor can unilaterally deploy. Reviewing rarely used laws was something Khan did while running the FTC. For instance, under her leadership, the FTC renewed its practice of sending “notices of penalty offenses.” These notices are sent to warn companies that they might be violating antitrust law. Until Khan's appointment, the FTC had not sent any such notices since 1999. During Khan’s tenure, the FTC issued thousands of them.
Khan also revived the Robinson-Patman Act. This New Deal-era law makes it illegal for distributors to offer discounts to large retailers like Wal-Mart or Costco if they do not offer the same discounts to smaller stores. The law ignores the fact that distributors can make more money by selling a higher volume of products at lower prices through Wal-Mart than they can selling fewer products at higher prices in a smaller store. Khan also sought to dramatically expand the FTC’s reach by refocusing the agency’s mandate to protect consumers from “unfair” business practices. An unfair standard is obviously subjective and thus could be used to second guess almost any decision a private business might make.
Khan may have discovered an equivalent in New York City— a 56-year old law giving city officials power to punish “unconscionable” acts. One obvious problem with this statute is that, like the FTC’s mandate to protect consumers from “unfair” practices, what is “unconscionable” is in the eye of the beholder. This is likely one reason that the law has been collecting dust. Now, Khan wants Mayor-elect Mamdani to use it to unleash a regulatory reign of terror. The result will be higher prices, fewer choices, and a declining quality of life in New York City. Hopefully, this will help the more sensible voices in the Democratic party win the debate over whether the party should embrace a more market-friendly approach to policy—or move in the direction of the Khan-Mamdani-AOC wing. Even better, it may dissuade those elements of the “post liberal” right who see Khan as a model for how the right can use antitrust policy to advance a conservative agenda. A prominent example of what happens when Khan’s policies are put in place may finally show them that “Khanservatism” is not the way to make America Great Again.
https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2025/12/04/mayor_mamdani_unleashes_the_wrath_of_khan_1151060.html >>2587851>just get into the concentration camp broWhy are any "leftists" or even "marxists" defending or minimizing this? Then its the hecking third worldists who are feds…
>>2588182people will look you in the eye and tell you that this is the most rational economic system while american capitalists shoot themselves in the foot for short term gains
>>2587851ikr but the politically underdeveloped will never understand, they are too emotional
>“We’ve been speaking to President Putin and we’ve been speaking to Ukrainian leaders, including President Zelensky, and I have to say that I’m a little bit disappointed that President Zelensky hasn’t yet read the proposal. That was as of a few hours ago,” Trump said as he arrived at an awards gala in Washington on Sunday night.
>“Russia’s fine with it. Russia, I guess, would rather have the whole country, when you think of it … But I’m not sure that Zelensky is fine with it. His people love it but he hasn’t read it. So someday you’ll explain that one to me.”
Russia wants peace because they won. Europe and Ukraine don't want peace because they lost and there's no option but for them to escalate the war so defeat doesn't have to be accepted
>>2588157>>2588160this is akin to neo nazis worshipping north korea because they believe the bullshit the western media tells them, because they're bourgeois slaves
>>2588199And a lot of these kids are just obsessively oppositional.
>>2587848Why do you feel the need to sweep for the left-wing of fascism and target the people exposing their BS? Why is your first instinct to side with the State?
>>2588201Wait if you're actually BE posting here that is SO fucking embarrassing holy shit lmao
>>2588203hope ziohran sees this bro
>>2588203he's prolly a moderator for BE's discord
>>2588207Bros trying to reverse neoliberalism lmaoooo too late lil orange bro
>>2588209>first hazbots >then groypers>now BE stansWe gotta ban all influencershit outside ISG
>>2588209>BE discord moderator Gemini, give me the 3 most punchable attributes someone could possibly have
I am left in boundless wonder at the depth of intellect and understanding of the CPC and its general secretary, Xi Jinping.
>>2588213We need to burn the entire internet down. The western abolition of shame as a concept doomed us all to misery
>>2588217nah bro how we gonna make the cybernetic planned economy then bro
still nothing on the venezulean front?
unleash the mamdani freikorps
>>2588221>the only nation state of the Jewish peopleWhy don’t these people move there permanently and renounce their American citizenship?
>>2588227
No, it's fascism.
>>2588227
>organic nations
>>2588234
It is. The need for America to rely on good relations with the zionist entity can be explained entirely though historical materialism.
>>2588234
go back to pol
>>2588237
Mhm.
>>2588239
The bourgeois have control, and the bourgeois as a class have no moral or cultural incentive. The bourgeois support islamists and zionist expansionists simultaneously, so long as they protect their assets. Capitalism is contradictory.
>>2588250
she isnt gonna fuck you lol
>>2588246
The "jews" and zionism are not mutually dualistic. This is simple logic.
>>2588234
>>2588237
>>2588239
You are retarded bro, stop coping and accept that that the American ruling class does this willingly, they are the ones in control dumbass, the Zionism is just incidental to their political aims, Israel is useful for them and they are useful for Israel.
>>2588257
Well at least you've conceded on that front, I rest my case. Hopefully your chauvinism will continue to disintegrate when you look at things materialistically.
>>2588248I hope MTG runs against them and bodies them. All american "leftists" should vote for her as the anti imperialist choice
>>2588249
especially since zionism and fascism arose at the same time; zionists made deals with the nazis, etc.
>>2588252there was an extreme overlap until this year. it was 80% zionists down to somewhere around 50% now
>>2588264zionist youth groups were still allowed to operate in nazi germany btw
>>2588267ofc, because zionism is just another variant of fascism, not a new undefinable thing.
>>2588272It was also conveinent to Nazi ideology. Get those German Jews out. Those "autonomist" socialist Jewish bunds in Poland were of course never willing to establish their "state" so they were the enemies of Nazism, and Zionism.
>>2588271
>The american ruling class can't possibly be pursuing their own interests, it must be that they're being controlled from the outside
Kys you coping retard
Daily reminder that USA (and Israel) is not fascist. Only libtards think of America as fascist.
>>2588278
Socialist anti-imperialism is inherently anti chauvinistic. The anti-imperialist does not desire the collective punishment of the entire cultural-ethnic group of the imperialist bourgeois state.
>>2588280Correct. Fascists had industry. America has fucking nothing anymore. This is post-fascism. Fiscal-Fascism.
>By last year, [Pennsylvania] was collecting $1.05 billion in taxes from digital casinos, compared with $188 million from sportsbook apps. The revenue from casino games is significant: Pennsylvania’s entire state budget is about $50 billion.
>>2588285
Of course America needs Israel. It is a hub for American tech giants, especially microchip makers and weapons manufactures. It is the U.S militaries foothold in a volatile, constantly changing Middle East which the U.S needs to constantly keep in line through regime changes and half-promises. Most of Americas munition stockpiles in the Middle East is located in Israel. Israel invests heavily in the U.S. It is one of Americas most important strategic and economic allies besides the Saudis, the South Koreans and the Japanese etc. etc.
America protects Saudi wahabism as much as it protects Israeli zionism. They are both apposed yet these agreements keep American strategic assets flowing. Thats why America allows Israel to do what it wants, with discretion. You are a liberal.
Is that you sandinista anon?
Yeah its me. I got my bbl done btw. I am big booty latuna now.
>>2588285
>Supporting Israel is not helping the usa at this
Israel is intimately interwoven with America's military industrial complex and serves as their main military landing port in the middle east. The american ruling class supports Israel because they benefit from Israel strategically and economically. Those things weight out any concern for the maintenance of soft power, the loss of which you're way overblowing as it is not the people's opinion that matter to the US empire, but those of the ruling class. Who, in case you haven't noticed this yet, don't give a single fuck about innocent people getting brutally murdered on the basis of their race as long as they feel they benefit from it somehow.
Take your zog cope and kill yourself retard
>Around 75 to 80 percent of the venture capital backing Israel’s tech sector originates in the United States.
YOG. (Yankee Occupied Government)
>>2588302
Have you been to a pro-palestinian protest?
>>2588307
I really feel like you haven't.
>>2587192Is this woman latina?
>>2588313
Ok.
>muh zog
>>2588306
Did I say Zionists don't have power you troglodyte? The american ruling class is fully zionist, not because they are occupied outside their will, but simply because it is helpful to them. Your wormy rat pivot from "ZOG is not a conspiracy" to "Erhm are you saying zionists don't have any power??" is so obvious. You do nothing but cope. Stop coping and just kill yourself retard
>>2588324no I don't believe in the holodomor
>>2588311I met some ugly bald guy at a protest once who started talking to people about the evil of the Talmud and this and that until people told him to fuck off and he slinked away, could be a situation like that
>>2588330Did he know most most Jews don't even see the talmud as an authority?
What is Jew?
>>2588332most jews arent even allowed to read it right? gentiles are forbidden tto.
the Talmus texts are the second most important to that of the Torah
>>2588280>Fascism is when you have industryFascism is not a fixed checklist of properties.
>Fiscal-fascismSo just fascism then.
>>2588332He was completely brainfried, talking about how it's all in the there, that's what they base their military strategy on and that's why Israel is so evil. It was a college campus protest too, I don't know what he was expecting. These people are generally mentally unwell.
>>2588338
>No argument only cope
I accept your concession
>>2588336Lol no? That's a common misconception. The torah is sacred and read using yads (pointy things to not touch the paper with your fingers) but anyone can "read" it.
Anyway religion bores me. Jews are just a cultural group of many races with a good taste in bread.
>>2588340
You talk in the same sort of circular, buzzword reasoning, trying to externalize the reality of your own government's zionism and complicity in zionism for imperialist ends. Probably because you're either baiting or actually mentally retarded
>>2588344
>More cope
So sad, the arguments were pretty clear anon. Here I'll copy them down again so you can give it another read.
<Did I say Zionists don't have power
<The american ruling class is fully zionist, not because they are occupied outside their will, but simply because it is helpful to them
<Your pivot from "ZOG is not a conspiracy" to "Erhm are you saying zionists don't have any power??" is obvious
There, that's not so hard is it?
>>2588344
this wasn't you? >>2588257
>>2588349
Where did I bring up jews? I said you're similar to the Talmud guy because you sound the same and use the same sort of retard logic. Are you capable of doing anything but cope?
>>2588351
You changed the argument from "Zog is not a conspiracy" to "Zionists have power", why do you keep coping like this? Just admit defeat, I already accepted it ages ago when you stopped even attempting to make arguments
>>2588227
It's settler-colonialism, it doesn't matter what form it takes all settler-colonial identities will be annihilated alongside anyone who supports their continued existence. Either via suicide or throwing themselves into a war they cannot win all settler states will be destroyed alongside anyone who tries to preserve any attachment to them. Death to Pissrael, Death to Amerikkka, Death to Pissraelis, Death to Amerikkkans.
>>2587873because people don't have rights in the US. that zohran pretends that people have them is sus.
>>2588368
No it's not, they use the same repetitive talking points about how "People in the palestine movement know" and the same sort of choppy retard speak, it was a continuous chain of replies. So it's either another retard and you switched the argument on behalf of this other guy or it's you and you switched the argument on your own behalf, doesn't matter either way because you wont address it and instead make up embarrassing copes like this very post
>>2588369
>Also saying I sound similar to some talmud guy is the same tactics Zionist use talking about "horseshoe theory" and calling people anti-semitic
It's not, it's not a tactic, I was simply envisioning a guy going to a protest talking to people about ZOG and it reminded me of my own experience with a similarly conspiracy brained retard
>Waaah waah stop insulting me when I say retarded things waah
grow up
>>2588370
>And anything I say in reply to you, you just call cope
No retard, when you make and argument I respond to it, when you cope like this I call it out. If Im just calling out your cope it's because you do nothing but.
>When you reply you say it is facts and when I reply you say it is cope
Again, that is because I am right and you are coping, if there was something for me to argue against I would
>You are dead set that you are right about everything it's pointless
This is more cope, you should be just as convinced of your own beliefs and argue on their behalf, instead you are saying stuff like this
>Like I said before keep your view against zionist control. You are in the minority. Pro Palestine people know what's up
You are a retard, you don't even know what my views are because you are disingenuous and unable to engage in dialogue without shitting your pants all over the floor and whining about being called a retard that should kill himself on anonymous imageboards
>>2588345exactly
they are also one of the oldest cultural groups on the planet. That makes it very easy for them to "other" anyone that isnt in their ingroup. Shit the term gentile is extremely old.
fuck Jewish identity predates White identity.
I imagine for such an older identity its easy for them to take on supremacist thought, especially hundreds of years ago when the world was a backwards place, then it takes longer to shed that supremacist thought.
>>2588387tight jeans do not sound comfortable for urban warfare
>>2588395
oh wow
anyway
>>2588384do burgers have rights in the US? at best, liberties. 'right to free speech'? 'liberty to free speech'.
honest question for usanons: are people becoming class conscious? can you feel an organic communist presence, sentiment? anything? i know this forum is not really representative, but where else can i ask such a question? is revolution close? how far?
>>2588400Revolution is far off, too many people believe in a nebulous form of a fairer capitalism. However, everyone is mad at both bourgeois parties. People who loved Trump at most have just stopped talking about him.
>two retards fighting
>>2588400People below 40 are way more skeptical of liberal capitalism based on statistics, but it’s hard to tell if that could slip into fascist sympathy based on public opinion polling. The current economic situation is hard to defend but the trend in U.S. history is that the people end up scapegoating the immigrants, mexicans, blacks, or another foreign country when capitalism falters. My optimistic guess is there will be a moment where social democrats get really popular and then everyone gets cynical about socialism again when it fails. My pessimistic guess is the U.S. won’t even get that far before tech oligarchs fund a Curtis Yarvin ceo-monarchy.
>>2588547we're no longer in the burgerreich this is something more rotten and embarrasing
>>2588548Are they really pretending what was obviously day four of a speed binge “neurodivergent” behavior?
One day high functioning autists won't be able to get benefits I guarantee. They'll just pretend its normal.
>>2588589welfare reforms arent communism
>>2588600a guy who is able to work 100 hours a week isnt proletarian for long
>>2588600I don't have any means of making something productive, so yes.
>>2588605
She's being forced out of Congress. There's been dozens of members of Congress forced to leave public office because they didn't put Israel above the USA. Cynthia McKinney (D), Jim Trafficante (D), and soon to be Massie (R).
It's disheartening that the majority of any congress, some 400+ people, will always be useless and corrupt enough to be bought by Israel.
>>2588609
which is basically socdem and it rests on the historical fruits of imperialism and current unequal labor exchange
>>2588632
hes so fucking retarded
This isn't your usual democrat recession risks. This is the TRUMP recession risk. Buy the limited edition TRUMP recession risk whiskey bottle right now.
>>2588646
>AIpac is funded by amerikans, not the zionist entity
zog isn't real but what you're saying is an actual Zionist talking point
>>2588650
No?
>zionists (and those who profit from zionism) fund zionist thinktanks
>no thats a nazi talking point
???
>>2588657
The congress is by nature corrupt.
>>2588632
Lion
>>2588662Good. China can now invade without resistance.
>>2588665sadly, Putin was never that based.
>>2588646
Americans like Ben Shapiro, who uses idpol to divide Americans with while his capital piggy financial backers further disenfranchise workers.
If Americans like Shapiro are promoting Zionism at the expense of the American workers, and doing so to great effect that compromises the American government, then they are in fact proving that they are devaluing labor to benefit their ideology, which happens to be Zionism. Anyone who doesn't like it can go fuck themselves.
>>2588662other than the trans shit these are some of the most important issues we have currently
this generation is cooked
>>2588681doesnt matter what your thoughts on china are, the chinese question is still one of the most important issues we have. if youre american, its about losing hegemony to a foreign country, if youre non american, its about how to do business with china without completely selling your country to their interests
>>2588683Do you not understand how capitalism works? The Europeans whine and cry about trade discrepancy, but they created the trade discrepancy. No Chinese person wants to buy American shit. No Chinese person wants to by French or German shit. But everyone in America and Europe wants Chinese commodities. The bourgeoisie dug the whole. You're fucked.
>>2588695>But everyone in America and Europe wants Chinese commodities.And China wants to keep selling.
>>2588650
ok liberal
>>2588697Good. Because of the demand. This is how empires fall, the American empire that is.
>>2588632
These are the workers who will benefit by the rape Venezuela acording to BadEmpanada and the anti-imperialoids
You will buy the Labubu and you will like it
>>2588701its pretty simple
more mouths to feed in the imperial core the more mouths robbed abroad
>>2588702we
will give them surplus in which they will reinvest it into new quality productive forces and rural revitalization
>>2588707not to mention, 10% of US industrial workers work for defense contractors.
those workers going hungry means less people get bombed abroad
>>2588719>10% of US industrial workers work for defence contractors.This is why unions are so integral to the development of revolutionary conditions. Imagine if the workforce went on strike and strangle-held those factories and manufacturing plants. It is ironically easier now to do that than 50 years ago because the industrial base has shrunk so much.
>>2588720How will the US military manage to waddle to Caracas?
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/190/7-8/e1587/7932447>>2588722I worked for big US unions, I knew peopl that worked in defense. All these unions USW, Teamsters, IBEW, all they care about is getting treats for their workers and putting democrats in office.
unions are useless
>>2588729You don't get it. Of course unions want treats, its only when the situation is unbearable that they will demand something more like a fairer system and go on a genuine strike, occupying their workplaces. The bourgeoisie cannot give out treats as much as they used to. and every time they give away treats that just means a less productive workforce for the bourgeoisie, which just accelerates crisis.
>>2588632
He's a funny guy
>>2588733have any strikes like that ever taken place in the imperial core?
my second point is most industrial workers are mouth breathing reactionary retards. They throw other union members under the bus just to get treats from their boss. These people somehow growing international class consciousness overnight or even in the next 5 years is absurd
>>2588740You could argue major strike actions before WW1 in Russia ushered in the revolution. They demanded better conditions and more democratisation in the workplace, workers having more say in factory affairs etc. That build a strong labour movement base that the Bolsheviks took advantage of.
>>2588743pre WWI Russia is not the imperial core
>>2588695its not a moral question. the point is that china is a big issue that we have to discuss and the fact that zoomies dont care about china or climate change or AI is worrying
>>2588746It's not worrying at all. It's extremely uplifting that zoomers do not see China as the enemy.
>>2588748once again its not a moral fucking issue. its not about seeing china as a bad guy or a good guy, its about seeing china as relevant to political discourse. zoomers think china is irrelevant to their daily lives
>Texas leaders announcing a rollout of a statewide program to put TPUSA chapters in high schools and colleges across the state. Gov. Abbott adds that schools that stand in the way should be reported to the Texas Education Agency.
Mandatory Hitler Youth membership coming to a school near you
>>2588752No it really doesn't. That's not what that poll means, you're reading too much into it.
>>2588754At least the Hitler Youth taught you how to tie neckerchiefs and fly gliders. Watching Prager U videos all day and being told that socialism is when no I Phone does not sound very stimulating.
>>2588754Abbott should have died when the tree crushed him be a better time line than this one. Fuck this shit.
only steers and queers come from texas
>>2588757theyre ranking china, climate change and AI as just as irrelevant as trans discourse
>>2588762Because it is. Americas economic warfare against China does not concern people, because it shouldn't. China hasn't done anything wrong to them regardless what the Falun Gong says.
>>2588764holy shit its impossible to argue with leftoids
>>2588767It's not my fault you can't read.
>>2588776
I don't see how you can read it that way. That poll is clearly about American political policy.
>>2588776
the poll frames the topics as an issue, meaning they don't have an issue with that. a lot of zoomers are apathetic anyways
>>2588792I hate to say "late stage capitalism" but have you ever seen a more obvious signifier of late stage capitalism as america fighting economic warfare for fertiliser.
>>2588797las vegas is empty
>>2588801You'd think it would be cheaper to go but I swear rooms at Caesar's Palace have doubled in price over the last couple of years
Las Vegas needs to be bulldozed. Its soil needs to be salted and the whole place should be turned into a solar farm.
>>2588809Nah it just needs to be unionized
>>2588776
somehow a worse take
>>2588825
Ok, and? Yes well done anon people who live under a capitalist system are influenced by the highs and lows of the market which itself is propped by imperialism. This is the case with most western and western orientated nations. The conditions of the revolution and the building of socialism will have to fit the conditions of the proletariat and the petty bourgeois, as Engels states very clearly. Even if 70+% of Americans were petty bourgeois the proletariat would still "win" eventually after a revolution has taken place.
>>2588842
>one guy is representative of all of Satanism
>>2588844satanism is pretty glowie centric but so is christianity
especially mormons too, so I guess it evens out.
Satanism is just edgy liberal atheism, bro.
>>2588848
"Anti-Christian" sentiment is already considered terrorism according to that memo that also criminalized antifa
>>2588843anti communist song
>>2588837bands like the dead have been doing this for years
>>2588846as much as i hate Trotsky, i read his book about fascism right around the time Jan 6th happened.
he said the petit bourgeoisie were the class that supported fascism the most. i then turn on the tv and see hundreds of car dealership owners storming the whitehouse it kinda made sense
>>2588855
Have you added into your calculations a formula that calculates how revolutionary conditions and crisis can affect those numbers? How many of those small business owners will be militantly apposed, instead of doing nothing? How long until the "communist revolution" occurs? 25 years? 50 years? 100 years? 250 years? How will that affect the number of petty bourgeois?
>>2588855
Its more than that. The "proletariat" in America is filled with reactionaries and treatlerites that want us to stay as imperislt power so thye can get their treats
Most people are not as politically aware as you are. Most people just want to live comfortably until their death. You create a labor movement, yes, by encouraging the unions and even the unionised to fight for their "treats". That is the basis. Once you have an organised labor movement, then you can go on about your party that leads that movement that encourages them to think bigger and desire a change in a wasteful, unfair system.
>>2588855
The middle class do not necessarily side with the bourgeoisie in times of revolutionary crisis. This is a fundamental theoretical misunderstanding on your part.
All we can say about the middle class is that they are not capable of independent class mobilization. That is, despite their natural material hostility to both the big bourgeoisie and the proletariat, they invariably end up having to side with one of those two classes in the last analysis. But WHICH one they side with is up in the air. In times of revolutionary upsurge, worker militancy, etc. a significant percentage of the middle class historically sides with the rising proletariat. In times of reaction, when the proletariat is weak and on retreat, the middle class tends to slide into various anti-revolutionary attitudes, the most dangerous and repellent of which being fascism. But this is not inevitable.
Are the middle class reliable allies? Absolutely fucking not. But are they necessarily anti-revolutionary enemies that must be seen as an immediate threat in all cases? No.
>>2588866uygha you are stuck in 1910
>>2588837Blud really needed ChatGPT to write a twatter post for him?
It should be obvious that people with property or small holdings of land are not some sort of absolute enemy that should be liquidated, they are just a potential problem. All genuinely progressive revolutions, like the French Revolution, the 1848 revolutions, the Paris Commune, Russian Revolution and the Spanish Civil War all knew that the free peasant was a persistent threat. They had small holdings of land and like the petty bourgeois were committed to this small holding of land. They were afraid that their tenant who they worked for would be removed by revolution, who they relied on for subsistence and for the land they lived on. Counter revolution was appealing to them. For the petty bourgeois its not necessarily counter revolution but stunted revolution that they appeal too. Reformists who bend the knee to the ruling class.
>>2588874Also your statistics are unreliable. Many of the "self-employed" are undoubtedly gig workers, who are in effect just extra-exploited proles legally seen as sole proprietors.
>>2588874You are talking about the middle class, a made up element that does not adequately describe the class characteristics of a person. Many of the middle class are workers who do not own their means of production and are therefore Proletarian.
I am talking about the petty bourgeoisie, who do own at least a substantial portion of their means of production. I am talking about small business owners, the self employed, landlords and "family farmers" who make up a plurality of the population in America (perhaps a majority when combined with the big bourgeoisie) and are THE fascist class.
The middle class is dead anyway, or dying. You'll see, Marx's prediction that the middle class will evaporate into a simple mass of proles and hyper-capitalists with a mind-boggling wealth gap will happen. He probably had no clue that those proletarians will be mostly service workers, but hey.
>>2588881No I'm talking very specifically about the petty bourgeoisie. I used the phrase middle class because frankly your statistics likely include many proletarians since the legal distinction between a "business owner" and a worker is not necessarily a reflection of those peoples' actual class position. Freelancers, in the US, are legally "small business owners" yet many (perhaps even the majority) of them are just proles without even the small benefits that come from being a prole like an employer-offered healthcare plan.
>>2588884*from being a legally-recognized prole
>>2588879Gig workers were separate from my numbers actually. 42 million Americans work for some sort of gig job now.
>>2588886Where are your numbers from? I thought the BLS didn't make a distinction between self-employed and gig workers but it's possible I'm mistaken.
>>2588884A small business owner is not and cannot ever be a Proletarian. They can be a class traitor, and some will, but they are by definition not Proletarian. If you own your own means of production, regardless of how small those means are, you are petty bourgeois.
The fact that you primarily care about healthcare for this reactionary class rather than Proletarian Revolution is good evidence for why the American "left" is dead though.
Small business owners and small property owners are very different worlds.
>>2588889>>2588890It's clear that you are young and have little real-world experience so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Uber/Lyft drivers are gig workers.
>B-but they own a car! They are petty booj scum! They must be liquidated!92% of American households own at least one vehicle. And this is not even factoring in what percent of those vehicles are "owned" under payment plans.
>>2588895>B-but they own a car!That's personal property. Technically you can use a car for productive purposes but that's significantly more complicated than say how easy it is to rent a room on a property.
>>2588896Ok so are you going to respond to my point or not?
>>2588897No, I'm not that anon.
>>2588901Oh, apologies friend. I agree with you entirely, I'm just trying to counter his asinine assertion that "Except “gig-work” is by definition unproductive labor that requires personal ownership of private property as a means of production"
I have already mathematically proven than the petty bourgeoisie, the most reactionary class, is at least a plurality among American workers. You can all cope and seethe and shit your pants but this is still true. To quote the great warrior poet Scott Steiner, the numbers don't lie.
>>2588915You still haven't even said where you got those numbers from.
>>2588915You haven't. You just got up the statistics of the petty bourgeois at it exists currently.
You know if you think about it the homeless are the ultimate petite bourgeois because they take up space for free
>>2588937nah they are lumpen through and through
>>2588939Well anything not proletarian is evil, which is the point
>>2588915it doesn't even matter if the PB is the largest class in america. all classes here are materially opposed to revolution. every single class here benefits from imperialism.
shit workers here dont worry about the value of their labor fluctuating they worry about the price of goods that almost all come from overseas.
The changing of those values has more effect on workers in the US than the value of their labor, thus not making US workers proletariat and opposed to revolution
We're heading towards crisis and what are American socialists doing? They're…
>Falling for socdem lies….again
>Still stuck engaged in idpol nonsense
>Screeching about all Americans being Hitlerites deserving death
>Dismissing service workers as not real proles
Shit is looking bleak…
>>2588947
Why are you expecting American socialists to do anything? We need to stop coping that socialists in the US have any considerable influence or ability to help in crises like this.
>>2588944>moralistbums arent evil they just are reactionary.
i am done with mutual aid. every single bum here complains that the other bums abuse social services and that they are "one of the good ones" as they drink their Natty Daddy. They have a peasant mindset and would throw revolutionaries under the bus for a free beer.
>>2588948Every time I see one of you saying some shit like this I'm reminded no one here actually has a job or knows anyone in the real world.
>>2588662Acceptance of transgender people is actually the bleakest stat here. People think it's idpol but it's representative of burgers becoming more open to oppressing their neighbors so long as the state propaganda deems them an acceptable target, represents a regression to pre-enlightenment savagery (little respect for individuality regarding personal and bodily matters, employment security for minorities, etc.), and generally shows that americans are becoming lockstepped in man vs woman idpol. (historically the most effective way to break up unions or communist movements, which is why)
People who can't grasp this are typically uneducated (third worlders who lack the capital to do so), uneducatable (most first worlders), or are mentally deficients (COVID/microplastic brain damage) who lack the ability to read between the lines and understand what, exactly, "acceptance" means.
You will see america become india or south korea levels of gender war where any personal expression is banned and men and women live completely segregated lives, allowing capital a perpetual war to divide and conquer the people with.
China will probably be the future of actual LGB (and especially T) acceptance as it embraces transhumanism, automation, and socialism. While the west regresses into a religious shithole that makes a WH40k hive world look like paradise.
>>2588965>where any personal expression is bannedthis sounds based
indifference to "gender wars" is exactly what that statisitc shows right?
people are too focused on paying bills to worry about the gay agenda or china thats why those "issues" are low
>>2588968>this sounds basedEveryone thinks they won't be the one shot in the head for being the wrong shade of white (having the wrong hairstyle/dress code, which historically has been used to legally discriminate against blacks from obtaining stable employment)
You think too highly of americans. Americans love violence against the queers and steers. You can already see them utilizing the same strategy that was used against transgenders (sex pest, rapists, mentally ill) against Indians now. Soon this will expand to han chinese and any real opposition to nazism.
>>2588962what are you talking about?
i have a job, i dont worry about my paycheck going down i worry about the chicken i eat which probably was farmed in the third world going up in price
>>2588662This is a very bizarre way to frame a poll.
Without the actual data this lacks enough context to be relevant.
>>2588969thats a leap
and to be fair i know many trans people from organizing that are sex pests and have had to be removed, also gender dysphoria is a mental condition, being chinese isn't
you are just too much of an individualist, why do you want to tell everyone you are so different from them instead of focuses on what you have in common and uniting as a class.
western "leftists" like you just want treats for your in group
>>2588974Imagine hating transhumanists so much that you're willing to empower an empire who will nuke china the minute they lose the #1 spot, lmao
>>2588970>the chicken i eat which probably was farmed in the third world…you know you can look at the label to see where your food comes from right?
The US has a massive poultry industry, I'd be shocked if you're eating chicken "farmed in the third world"
>>2588975who says i hate them?
the western left just prioritizes individual liberties over collective gains.
you are proving my point
>>2588978China has more rights for transgenders than the west. You are one of those western leftists you claim to not be. Even the labour party turned its back against transgenders (and got wiped out by reform lmao)
Can the real western leftist please stand up
>>2588980my uigah you are again supporting what i am saying
china is already socialist it makes sense that they can now work towards trans liberation
china also is not an imperial juggernaut that strangles the world with its weapons
>>2588988>whitest guy we can findDude looks like his mother was a ghost and his father was a bag of flour.
>>2588988I wish we could extract Jasmine from Texas and install her somewhere in a more relevant state. Nuke Texas and nothing of value is lost.
>>2588998just make sure to get brisket and willie nelson out of there
>>2588949The sorry and disoriented state of the "left" is not to be ignored but you're painting an overly bleak picture. The most important thing to pay attention to is level of worker militancy and consciousness, which is increasing rapidly in America. Look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics for the number of work stoppages by year. They have dramatically increased in the past 7 or so years. Workers are of course still lagging FAR behind where they should be given the objective conditions, but in terms of class consciousness we are in a much much stronger position than we were even just 10 years ago.
>>2589002i think shit like COVID helped with that
>>2588949I think there is going to need to be a reckoning with how SocDem solutions are too patch-work and weak to meet the moment without losing momentum on the left. I don’t really know how that’s going to work because communism is still a bridge too far for most people. Maybe a ton of really effective agit-prop might shift perspective but it would need to happen quickly. The way things are accelerating I’m not sure how much time there is left until fascism throws the country into a death spiral. I’m trying to be optimistic but everything looks “too-little-too-late” right now.
>>2589018The reckoning is always happening and organically evolving day to day. And what you can do is help it by joining an org. I know it's "cringe" because we're all le epic radical trve communists but go to the DSA. All the active and willful communists are there, propagandizing and pushing things forward. Think organically, not digitally. As long as we're actually engaged with things as they are
right now we will be able to adapt to whatever may come.
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Just do your best. But do
something >>2588988>democrats running a guy who is studying to be a pastorThings you do when your goal is to lose
>>2589026NTA but I can't see joining the DSA as a useful step until they break with the Democrats (which will most likely never happen). The American working class, probably more than any other working class in the first world, desperately needs some measure of political independence.
>>2589033they have a better chance of breaking off if others support that.
the only thing that will suck is they will lose a huge chunk of members NYC DSA will never leave the dems theyre cooked
>>2589033>>2589040God damn it they don't need to "break" with the Dems. You don't understand how the party system actually works in America when you say shit like this.
And they act based on how they vote internally because they are a democratic centralist organization with a shit ton of people. Stop obsessing over how they endorse candidates that run on the democratic ticket. It's a legitimate strategy and it works. And it's not the only thing they do!
>>2589048>God damn it they don't need to "break" with the DemsYou’re right! They need to be utterly crushed with the Dems!
>>2589048>God damn it they don't need to "break" with the Dems. You're right, they only need to do so if they're actually serious about wanting socialism, which they probably aren't.
>You don't understand how the party system actually works in America when you say shit like this. Winning elections is pointless if it's done by allying with hostile class forces and pursuing a hostile class agenda. The point of an independent working class party is not to immediately start winning elections. That could theoretically happen under the right conditions, but the primary goal is for workers to gain a mass political understanding of themselves as a class with its own goals and needs, and that can't happen if they are shackled to bourgeois parties.
>Stop obsessing over how they endorse candidates that run on the democratic ticket.They can endorse whoever they please, but I'm correct to say that an organization that endorses bourgeois candidates is not socialist.
>It's a legitimate strategy and it works. It works to elect Democrats. It doesn't work to elect socialists. Do we need to go over AOC's many many legislative betrayals again?
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>>2589051>>2589048>because they are a democratic centralist organization kek
dem cent was BANNED in DSA till the last convention
i am aware of that ballot tickets are non binding, but when you start having succesful candidates like Mamdani being forced to run as Democrats the Democrats will inevitably siphon them off
thats why the clean break is necessary
>gig workers are petit bourgeois because semantics
AAAAAAAAGGH YAAAAAAAARRRGGHHH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGG
>>2587616You are still a goldbug, don't worry. Gold is an intermediary step that's acceptable for everybody
>>2588970I work at the chicken producer and my paycheck has measurably gone down this year, they're cutting hours to try to create a higher rate of profit from labor by reducing overtime costs.
By the way we're a strong net exporter of chicken. We import labor for the industry but it's mostly prison laborers and vaguely legal agricultural visas. I can tell you as someone doing the demeaning work you subconsciously think is being exported to third world untermensch that there's no "labor aristocracy" in the fucking chicken plant. But I guess we're not real. The online left will need to be dealt with at some point.
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