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>>2584380Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet Xi please invade Taiwan. Now is the time to do it.
>Attorney General Pam Bondi is ordering the FBI to “compile a list of groups or entities engaging in acts that may constitute domestic terrorism,” according to a Justice Department memo published here exclusively.
>The target is those expressing “opposition to law and immigration enforcement; extreme views in favor of mass migration and open borders; adherence to radical gender ideology,” as well as “anti-Americanism,” “anti-capitalism,” and “anti-Christianity.”
<In addition to compiling a list of undesirables, Bondi directs the FBI to enhance the capabilities (and publicity) of its tipline in order to more aggressively solicit tips from the American public on, well, other Americans. To that end, Bondi also directs the FBI to establish “a cash reward system” for information leading to identification and arrest of leadership figures within these purported domestic terrorist organizations. (The memo later instructs the FBI to “establish cooperators to provide information and eventually testify against other members” of the groups.)
>The payouts don’t end there. Justice Department grants are now to prioritize funding to programs for state and local law enforcement to go after domestic terrorism.
<In a section titled “Defining the domestic terrorism threat,” the memo cites “extreme viewpoints on immigration, radical gender ideology, and anti-American sentiment” — indicators that federal law enforcement are instructed to refer to FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs). Those JTTFs are then instructed to “use all available investigative tools” in order to “map the full network of culpable actors involved” in both “inside and outside the United States.”
>The memo also directs the FBI and JTTFs to retroactively investigate incidents going back five years, authorizing the JTTFs in particular to use everything at their disposal to do so.https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/leak-fbi-list-of-extremists-is-coming I think America should be reformed somewhat
25 YEARS PRISON
>>2587201Calla Walsh moment
>>2587201I think this is bit of a simplification.
>>2587195
He's increasingly eyeing mainstream politics. He'll be with a Conservative institution within the decade.
>>2587206Richard Spenser 2.0. Riding with a 120 year old Biden.
>>2587201<t. Erik Felix of Real Houdini PodcastGo to bed Felex!!
>>2587206the 'conservative institution' is allergic to antisemitic talk show hosts. he also said he doesn't want to get into politics
>>2587213No it can't. Though for some reason right wingers seem to think it can.
>>2587215I severely doubt that. Some think tank or lobby group will take him on eventually
>>2587215>the 'conservative institution' is allergic to antisemitic talk show hosts. he also said he doesn't want to get into politicsbuddy, the zoomzoom staffers in the republican party privately heil hitler and say that the holcaust didn't happen… while simultaneously helping israel commit the modern day equivalent, which they will also deny when it is over.
and the democrats just spent 4 years giving 5 trillion bombs to azov battalion.
where do you think we live right now?
NATOism is Nazism + Zionism
>>2587215IDK why he doesn't go for it, why does he want to be a streamer forever? No ambition
I've come to the conclusion that internet talkingheads, podcasters and media accounts, left wing and right, are useless in this 21st century idealist "crusade" to "win over" people to "our side". If the whole purpose of social media companies are to algorithmically provide people with things they WANT to see so that we can talk about our frustrations with people who already believe in the things we already believe in, with no real worldly impact in our words. What's the point? All these fucking debater channels and accounts are pointless. We just dig ourselves deeper into cyberspace to retreat from the real world. The only useful thing about political social media is the exchanging of ideas and information.
>>2587231>I've come to the conclusion that internet talkingheads, podcasters and media accounts, left wing and right, are useless in this 21st century idealist "crusade" to "win over" people to "our side"It's the exact opposite
When revolution grips america the people will turn to 'leaders'. As cringe as it is those leaders will be political podcasters and talk show hosts. They hold the privilege of holding the attention of people. How else will the revolution be guided?
>>2587187Xi is not a fascist so he doesnt worship action for the sake of faction, Taiwan WILL be integrated into the PRC without a single bullet being shot and you WILL be happy.
>>2587232>he doesn't see the contradictions of the Israeli party accepting politicians that want to destroy IsraelRarted
>>2587234>talking is uselessdid you not read what I posted? I remember when Trump won and there was an article that showed that all the people who were sad about it and raging about it on twitter and facebook were only raging about it to people who agreed with them and nothing that they said reached anyone who was a trump voter or was neutral or whatever. Your anger and perceived internet fights and arguments are ironically one of the biggest reasons those cyber companies make so much money. It's not real. It's nothing. It's illusory.
>>2587236>How else will the revolution be guided?In the street?
>>2587241In the suburbs? Lol. You go to where the people are, not 'in the streets', but on their phones
>>2587236>When revolution grips americakek
>>2587247Oh ok you just don't know what anti semitism is
>>2587245xitter fight to overthrown the government
>>2587243You cannot reach to people. Social media coded, designed for you to click more. Click click click. Not to any real listening audience but simply to people who already believe in your ideas. Angry people click more. Political crisis makes these people richer beyond belief. Your "reaching" should be outside. You should engage people in person.
>>2587245Yes, your people are there. Your people. You try to engage right wing media, that's their world. You will be drowned out. Whereas a rightoid posting on left wing twitter will be drowned out by the left. Nothing goes into their camp, nothing from theirs goes to your camp. It is the algorithm.
this is the president who ranted on and on about the clintons and bush and here he is repeating the same shit tony blair did 20 years ago almost word for word
just replace chemicals with drugs
>>2587251>You will be drowned out.Actual skill issue
>>2587201One goes to campaign (read: mobilize lots of free labor and crowdfunding) for mainstream Democrats and the other… the same, but for diet limited edition shiny Democrats with a bow.
A third person shows up promoting not voting Democrat, and they get piled on by these two for "wrecking".
Then everyone saves (liberal)democracy together from some made up,bipartisan boogeyman (again) and the USA commits an unspeakable atrocity somewhere else in the world (again).
>Phew guys! >That was close! We nearly had president Bush Reagan BushJr Trump become eternal emperor of the greatest country on Earth. >>2587269How can EU respond without sounding mad?
>>2587195
>DO YOU LIKE NICK FUENTES NOW!!?!?!?! DO YOU PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE SAY YOU LIKE HIM
He should die.
>>2587271They won't respond. They will seethe, silently, and then they will relent. Because America gives the orders. The markets logic is unquestionable. All porkies submit in the end.
But simultaneously to this, the EU is may become more competitive and potentially even pro-China (trade and business wise). So America is clearly going to promote Euroscepticism of the right wing populist variety to make the EU easier to dominate.
>>2587231You’re just realizing this now?
I mean, better late than never I guess
>>2587275The EU is about to escalate the war with Russia and America will have no choice but to sell them the weapons to make it happen
>>2587259Gotham was always a portrait of America’s soul
>>2587273It means sheikhs with absolute power are better to make massive transactions for Americas benefit, like a medieval king. It's also fundamental proof America NEVER cared about democracy in the Middle East. Sorry Kurds.
>>2587278>The EU is about to escalate the war with RussiaAbsolutely not. Whenever they say they're "escalating measures" that means they're going to announce new sanctions that won't mean anything anyway because Russia has some of the biggest economies signing new agreements to him to do substantial business that exceeds anything in Europe. The Europeans are preparing for a war. A defensive war. Not an offensive war, because they would never win that and they know it. America knows it too, and America would never supply Europe with a constant stream of weapons because they cannot afford to do that anymore.
>>2587281For some reason Euros sees Crimea as essential to European continental security
>The Europeans are preparing for a war. A defensive war. Not an offensive warGee when have I heard that before
>Europe with a constant stream of weapons because they cannot afford to do that anymore.Notice how I said 'sell' not 'give'. The Euros will pay out the nose for american armaments that also aligns with their interests in re-industrialization. Face it, Euro porky has no choice in getting into a fight with Russia
>>2587271>How can EU respond without sounding mad?Dropping the kayfabe and credibly threatening to leave/defund NATO and US orbit and snubbing the US from diplomacy with Russia. The latter would probably love it and play into the schism.
lol never, they'll keep wrecking themselves and self-imposing the new Marshall Plan. And if they were all Manchurian candidates and did so, US glowies would turn Ukraine into a Nazoid version of ISIS and destroy Europe as well.
>>2587286>For some reason Euros sees Crimea as essential to European continental securityWhy do you think? It's because that's how they keep their homes warm in winter. The Americans made a bad situation even worse by trying to extort Europe by getting them dependent on expensive cargo shipments of liquefied gas from America across the Atlantic which failed and even potentially destroying the nordstream pipe line. It's all a massive game of destroying competition to the bourgeois.
>sell not giveEven if the US sold them stuff, that's still going to take a glacier amount of time for the US to manufacture enough weaponry so they don't have a deficit afterwards that will take years to refill.
>>2587229Literally says that right after the ellipses (it's the … in case you don't know.)
I really wonder how we're going to get out of this generation of functional illiteracy.
>>2587290The Wise thing would be for Europe to make amends with Russia but even euro communists don't want that, the French communist party still denounces Russia as the aggressor in ukraine which is bonkers
>>2587229But democrats under biden including aoc voted to make antizionism criminalized as antisemitism
>>2587296Most communist parties believe the invasion of Ukraine was unnecessary but the war mongering of the west is equally, if not more so, wrong. At least my one does.
>>2587299>Most communist parties believe the invasion of Ukraine was unnecessary The reactionary ones yes
>>2587301Lmao what parties condemn it? CPUSA and DSA? Those don't count
>>2587229They both are retard.
If you think there is any material difference in the Dems and Reps you are truly lost and frankly I am not sure if you can be salvaged
>>2587195
Critical support for comrade Fuentes and his fight against western imperialism
ANOTHER US Aircraft Carrier set sale from port for the Caribbean in the past few hours.
>>2587303The European ones
>The war between Russia and Ukraine is part of a wider conflict between capitalist powers, between Russia on one side and Ukraine and the expansionist NATO powers on the other.
>Neither side in this war stands for the real interests of the peoples of Russia, Ukraine or of Europe more widely, which include living in peace and determining the future of their own society free from outside domination.
>Putin represents the interests of Russia’s big business oligarchs who profit from the theft of that country’s economic assets from the Russian working class. Far from wishing to restore the Soviet Union, he rejects socialism and has explicitly attacked Lenin’s policy of federalism and autonomy which guarantees the rights of nations and nationalities.
>The Ukrainian government represents the Ukrainian oligarchs who, like their Russian counterparts, stash their stolen wealth in Western banks such as Credit Suisse and launder much of their money through the City of London. The Ukrainian Communist Party and its MPs – who uphold Ukraine’s national sovereignty – have been banned and the country thrown open to Western capital.
>NATO is an alliance of imperialist powers, dominated by the US, with a long history of bombing, invading, occupying and partitioning sovereign nations up to the present day including Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria.
>The eastwards expansion of NATO and the EU in breach of documented pledges to ex-President Gorbachev and ex-Foreign Minister Shevardnadze; NATO’s military build-up in eastern Europe and the Baltic states and in the seas and oceans around Russia; the US- and fascist-backed coup to replace Ukraine’s democratically elected president by pro-Western politicians in 2014; the unpunished massacre at the Odessa trade union HQ; the refusal of the Ukrainian government to implement the UN-backed Minsk II Agreement including autonomy for the Donbas region; and in recent days – as recorded by observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) – the escalating attacks on the ‘People’s Republics’ in Donetsk and Lugansk … all have created the conditions for today’s war.
(Communist Party of Britain)
I'm not entirely against this evaluation.
>>2587273monarchist bros, we are so back
Meanwhile the ACP:
>"The ongoing Special Military Operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine is the main epicenter of the modern anti-fascist struggle. The Russian Federation's multi-vector policy aimed at overthrowing Western globalist hegemony and building a new, just world order is in keeping with the spirit of the Great Victory and should be supported by progressive left forces around the world," the statement reads.https://svpressa.ru/politic/news/463386/>>2587314This is pretty much just the /ukr/ line too. Meanwhile nuanced positions like
>>2587310 get you accused of imperialism
>>2587314You see this is too uncritical. The ACP are not truly materialist.
>just world orderLike what does that fucking mean? Do they think Putin wants world socialism? That he's going to export it post-war Trotsky style?
>>2587310 is pro-russian in a materialist way. Intelligent and level-headed.
>>2587319I think they support the shattering of US hedgemony and Russia right now are the only ones attempting it at such a high struggle.
While Russia is not socialist they are far less imperialist when compared to the west. This blow to Western imperialism, which is the dominate form of imperialism, is a net positive to the international proletariat.
>>2587310Not the worst analysis, but frankly that's not what the masses want. They want a side to pick. If the masses choose Russia it's better for the world.
>>2587320This is true, but it has nothing to do with total Russian victory. The shattering of US hegemony is much, much more wider in scope. The fact America is losing the willpower to continuously provide military material for an extended period of time is a byproduct of events that have transpired since the 70s. The war just showed it off.
>>2587322Historically materialist trends in the global economy indicated that Russia would win regardless on whether the masses "wanted it" or not.
>>2587310It's ok but at least it isn't as bad as the continental Europeans. The French be like:
>The war launched by Vladimir Putin against Ukraine on February 24 is odious and irresponsible. This choice is a crime against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of a country and against international law.
>It plunges the Ukrainian people into an unbearable nightmare and threatens the security of Europe and the world. The risk of an uncontrollable escalation increases every day. The situation is extremely serious. In such an interdependent world, this war is a failure for all, a failure for the collective security of Europe.https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pcf/pages/13972/attachments/original/1648723779/CN-Declaration-En.pdf >>2587191This is objectively good for the communist movement. Should it exist by 2028.
Obligatory All-Empire Worker's League shill post #123940329
>>2587195
Go back to /isg/
>American military support for France in the First Indochina War
>$3 billion (approx $40 billion in today’s money)
>resulted in America getting in further involved, with first major troop deployment in 1965, ending in 1970, whilst still being the most powerful military industrial power.
<American military support for Ukraine in the Russo-Ukrainian War
<approx $66 billion in military aid
<chickens out
>>2587322>If the masses choose Russia it's better for the world.t. self-hating westoid who have never been to post-soviet hellscape
>>2587322>They want a side to pickNo they don't lol there's a reason capitalists spend trillions to psyop people with nationalism
>>2587319>uncriticalWhy should be I be critical of anti-fascism
What if I don't want a "side" to win a war? What if bourgeois war is bourgeois? Surely the proper mindset is to see which side will bring about a more peaceful environment for the victims of the war? In Russias case, if they win, it might be a way for Ukrainian communists to have a little bit more breathing room from total and complete suppression. And a block to western resource-grabbing imperialists.
>>2587338Because the Russian military looks the other way toward their own fascists, but that just complicate matters. We'll see if the peace conditions Russia seems to have accepted will bring about the end of the openly fascist elements of the Ukrainian military/government, who knows.
>>2587304>They both are retard.yes
>zero material differenceno
inb4 "acknowledging any material difference is the same as uncritically supporting one of them" >U.S. LAYOFFS ARE ON TRACK TO EXCEED GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS LEVELS
>>2587341Russia agreed to the terms. The Euros haven't. I'm convinced they won't.
>>2587363wtf I'm trotskyist now?
>>2587314Correct. Denazification is necessary
>>2587372>denazification is necessaryWhat is the ACP going to do when half of Ukraine becomes a western occupied zone and the Nazis are kept in their military positions?
>>2586889>Bro you are actually retarded if you think we can't understand your basic ass lives lmao, it's not really that different from us (as vassals of your empire) other than that we live in America's world and you live in America. It's wild how supremacist americans are man, even so called leftists, they really have no clue of their own position in the worldNope. But if you're our vassal then throw us out. Others have done it. Like that's just classic republican and anti-imperial thought. It's probably your own political class that invited us in, right?
I don't know whether you will find this enlightening or bleak/depressing, but the vast majority of Americans do not care what the rest of the world thinks of them. Like forget the left, look at Trump's base, they actually get off on spiting the rest of the world. Call it a cultural norm or a different ~standpoint~ but people outside the U.S. often underestimate how little foreign approval functions as political legitimacy inside United States. You'll just make Americans angry the more you demand they seek it. They're just not wired like that, and the country was founded on a conscious rejection of that. You have to pet them like the direction of the hair on a donkey, otherwise the donkey will kick you.
This is very deeply rooted. The (very fringe) Marxist groups that are like "muh Western left" (despite being Western leftists themselves) and then seeking approval from others also has far more in common with small liberal elite circles than they realize as well. It's also signaling how dislocated they are. It's a good way to make yourself come across as repulsive to other Americans, it comes across as scraping. I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, just being real. I'm not one of these people who thinks everything will be kumbaya if we just get to know each other more, we might like each other even less. What are we? U2? There was this stupid-ass Sting song from the 1980s about "I hope the Russians love their children too." Well what if they don't! Or they don't like our kids because they're a bunch of brats and need to understand only four things: A K 4 7. The hell do I know? But it shouldn't matter because empathy isn't the engine of politics, contradiction is. If you want to change American politics it has to be done in a way that works within its own logic, or the internal and necessary self-movement of contradictions within the society. This is a serious theoretical point.
>>2587319Is it correct for pig american to criticize russia for denazificating ukraine from the yoke of fascist monopolist capital? Of course not. The only correct position is unconditional support for the war of liberation and denazification.
>>2587376But Russia is monopoly capitalist…
>>2587374Russia has ignored the monopolists' pleas for the denazification to stop and continued pusing onward
>>2587378Then why have they said Americas recent peace plans are acceptable? This is clearly a victory for Russia, but it will probably just mean a neutered demilitarised Ukraine - repressive laws intact.
>>2587377Incorrect. Russia is not monopolist empire. Russia fights for its own territory and resources. You are a fascist
>>2587383>for its own territory and resources.Which are utilised primarily by dominant monopoly capitalists.
>>2587371From a Marxist perspective, both the Democratic and Republican parties in the U.S. are understood as part of the capitalist state apparatus, serving the interests of the ruling bourgeois class and the imperialist system. The underlying argument is that both parties ultimately reinforce the status quo of capitalist exploitation, imperialist expansion, and systemic inequality. While they may differ in style, rhetoric, or specific policy details, both fundamentally maintain a capitalist, imperialist, and oppressive system. However, within this framework, material differences can still be identified, even when analyzing class dynamics and foreign policy, and ignoring identity politics, rhetoric, spectacle, and culture war.
While both parties are deeply committed to maintaining capitalist economic relations, the Democratic Party is somewhat more amenable to policies that might marginally address inequality (like raising the minimum wage or expanding social programs), while the Republican Party is more committed to austerity, tax cuts for the rich, and deregulation.
Where people on here really start to argue isn't whether these material differences actually exist (they do) but whether our response to those material differences should translate into unconditional/uncritical support, conditional/critical support, no support at all, or outright hostility.
And regarding the tendency of Democrats to put a friendly mask on American imperialism and band aids on the American working class's gaping wounds, while Republicans go "mask off" and strip away what few "treats" Americans get, that is also where people fight on here, because some people see conditional/critical support for the Republicans as accelerating the collapse of America and/or the class struggle by making everything worse, while others want to conditional/critical support for democrats as taking a small amount of pressure off the American working class so they have more time to organize.
inb4 there is no american working class, inb4 deliberate misinterpretation of description as prescription, inb4 argumentative nonsense a service proletariat is still a proletariat
>>2587375>how little foreign approval functions as political legitimacy inside United Statesthat's not true for Florida. Gusanistland votes for the fervent anti-communist that will lead the superior white race(TM) army to end communism in Cuba, and around the world.
No president candidate that talks about in the slightliest about lifting Cuba's embargo will get Florida's votes.
>>2587382Wrong. Putin never agree
https://www.npr.org/2025/12/04/g-s1-100609/putin-ukraine-russia-war-us-peace-plan>>2587385Wrong. Russia's resources are best used by russian people than by monopolists and imperialists. You just want treats
why do maga communists uncritically support a traitor to the soviet union?
>>2587319>Do they think Putin wants world socialism?he was KGB
TRVST the PLQN
>>2587381Cuckgentina voting in favor is surprising
>>2587396The end of this clip is important. Rightoids like to go on about how good times create weak men, but in this instance. Nothing really "good" has occurred since the massive industrial collapse of the 1980's across the western world. The economy has simply balanced back and now we live in an uneasy world where most people work in services, financial or for the sale of commodities, to survive. It's not because of "weakness" that we cannot do the manual labor our coal mining metalworking dockworker ancestors did it's because our entire understanding of how we live, get work, make money and interact with society has changed because of the market. There are no good times. We are more isolated and confused than ever before.
>>2587398All nations should wage war against Israel and the US collectively.
>>2587381Saudi Qatar and UAE all voted yes interesting
>>2587391 (me)
>>2587375also that statement is far from truth. when biden won, all libs claimed with WAP that finally 'sane, normalcy, rule of low' etc. returned to the White House diplomacy.
trump ran on the issue of no more wars, peace candidate, tough (Peace Through Strength) foreign policy, etc.
so it's not true that Americans don't care about US foreign policy at all.
what they might ignore it's the root causes and the issues behind the US rule.
>>2587405because it's an easy PR layup and only the US and Jizzrael are willing to be mask off about this
>>2587408Still better than all of Europe
>>2587406>Poland will ban its communist party but will not combat the glorification of NazismDidn't WWII kill a fifth of their entire population? How fucking repulsive.
>>2587409what type of creature is this?
>>2587248the Burgers yearn to be as free as the Chinese
president xi liberate my peoples
>>2587419israeli porn is booming 😏
>>2587375You always find a way to babble outside the point gaynazi anon. Cutting off one head of the hydra doesn't do anything to kill the beast, it must be stabbed in the heart. That is not to say communists shouldn't seek to throw out the yankies, they should and they do.
>I don't know whether you will find this enlightening or bleak/depressing, but the vast majority of Americans do not care what the rest of the world thinks of themI don't find that to be surprising at all, again we live in your world, we are aware Americans don't give a shit. It's not some unique quirk of culture (you always emphasize idealism that way), it's a result of America's geographic and imperialist position in the world, which isolates and alienates the populace from the rest of the world, they see nothing beyond America because there is nothing of consequence for them there and everywhere they do look, their own imperialist influence is already there, they have basically no frame of reference outside of that. Even people on the internet, whom they can speak to, only speak english because of america's global communication and media monopoly
>>2587419That infographic is undoubtedly because of the constantly regurgitated lie that Lend-Lease "won the war" and I wanna get this off my chest for your guys sake.
Lend-Lease was important because it was accepted the Eastern Front was the most important theatre of the war. When the Americans first started giving tanks to the Soviet Union it was to replenish the initial tank and aircraft losses caused from Operation Barbarossa when the Germans were on an initial winning streak, blasting Soviet airfields with almost no resistance. The Soviets liked American and British planes, but they despised American tanks because they didn't receive Shermans until 1943, they received M3 Stuarts which had high profiles, shitty guns and terrible armor and had an issue with overheating which Soviet tank crews despised. They were easy targets for the Germans. By 1943 the Soviets had gotten their war economy in full swing and were on the offensive. You know who did need American tank support DESPERATELY? The British? Almost ALL of their tanks had been abandoned in the Battle for Dunkirk and the ones they had at North Africa had such poor guns they had to go suicidally close to the Germans to penetrate. Did you know the British named most American WW2 tanks because they were the first ones to use them in battle? The Stuart, Lee, Grant and the Sherman were all named by the British.
People who read books will know Lend Lease mostly comprised of food. Canned meat mostly. British and American weapons, trucks, tanks, material aid and planes made up only 4% of the total amount of Soviet military material. Britain’s, on the other hand, was 10%.
>>2587427 The most important element of lend lease was high quality aviation fuel IMO.
>>2587432>People who read booksAn endangered species
>>2587434I mean yeah, but food was the most desired. Leningrad was starved inhumanly by the Germans and Finns for like 800+ days. They ate bread with sawdust in it and ate glue made from animal bones.
>>2587432>America provided roughly 14,000 aircraft to the Soviet Union during World War II via Lend-Lease, making up about10-13% of total Soviet aircraft production but a much higher percentage (around 16-23%) of specific combat types like fighters and bombers, especially vital in the early war years and in Air Defense (PVO) units where they formed a majority of aircraft, note
>>2587414they follow "dual genocide" theory which in practice means they will pay lip service to denouncing nazism (strictly in its 1939-1945 german form) and then focus 95% of their state power on slandering and banning communism which is "the same as nazism".
>>2587375>If you want to change American politics it has to be done in a way that works within its own logic, or the internal and necessary self-movement of contradictions within the society. This is a serious theoretical point.CPUSA owns tens of millions in assets
https://www.cpusa.org/article/building-renovation-project/ but all of it is dedicated to dick riding instead of building army
if amerikan politics is to change, all assets of the dick riders must be taken and dick riders must be eliminated
>>2587445Pollacks make the jokes about them so easy to write
My favorite one of the USSR simmp sophists about how the USSR was about to invade Japan and that's why America went evil mode and nuked them and if they didn't nuke them the USSR would have successful invaded before America.
>The United States provided the entirety of the Soviet Union's significant ocean-going landing craft capability during World War II, as the Soviets produced very few of their own.
With what fucking boats?
>>2587444>especially vital in the early war years Yes, the early war years. Do you know how fucked the Red Air Force was in 1941? The Germans devastated a large amount of the USSRs western airfields in the opening months of Barbarossa. They were completely outgunned and outnumbered by the German fighters and divebombers. They shot up and blew up hundreds of fighters before the aircrew could get up from the ground. In Stalingrad the Red Army force would practically lose every air battle and had to rely on biplanes a lot. But again by 1943 the Soviets had put their war economy into full gear and they produced lots of Yak aircraft which turned the tide. Lend Leases purpose was to fill the gaps whilst the Soviets prepared to unleash their industrial capabilities to outnumber and dominate the Germans.
>>2587442>Leningrad was starved inhumanly by the Germans and Finnsand modern western historiography calls that the "continuation war" like it was completely separate from the Axis war effort and le wholesome chungus democratic finns were just independently getting their comeuppance on all those evil communist starving children
>>2587456And something the wholesome chungus WW2 idealists really don't want you to discuss is how Britain and France were stupidly close to actually invading Norway and helping the Finns fight Stalin back in 1939-40.
>>2587457It's almost like Zhukov knew what people would be saying generations after he died. He deserved all those billions of medals.
>>2587453>With what fucking boats?the same boats they used to take the Kurils?
>>2587464>the same boats they used to take the Kurils?The boats the Americans gave them?
How sad to keep on forever with this "lost cause" ideology simping for a dead empire. If they really were that great, they'd still exist and you wouldn't be relegating to simping for them on a dead imageboard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy>>2587468yes? what's your point? did americans have a remote self-destruct button for those boats or what?
>>2587471>lost causeBut their cause wasn't invented half a century later by a bunch of racists who wanted to preserve their biased forced labour system of blacks in the south.
>>2587453Nuking Japan was one of the few good things America has ever done and the western "left" would be shocked to know what the CPCs stance on the bombings is.
Hint: They think they were necessary and anyone who rejects that is trying to overturn WW2s position as an anti-fascist war.
>>2587467>The US and Britain destroyed the entire industrial capacity of Nazi Germany single-handedly with zero help from the USSR. The USSR would've lost 100% without that.yeah they also helped build hitler up in the first place. Let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters.
>>2587476Why praise anyone? I don't see anything about WW2 as praiseworthy. What is praise-worthy about 10s of millions dying?
Contrary to popular belief, the German war economy was shit. Britain managed to surpass aircraft and tank production numbers by 1941.
>>2587480you didn't understand the sarcasm in the statement "let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters?"
>>2587471hey retard, the subject of WW2 revisionism came up, try to keep up.
>>2587478>the guys fighting against 5% of the nazi army did just as much as the guys fighting the 95%u r dumb
>>2587484>you didn't understand the sarcasm in the statement "let us praise the arsonists who moonlight as firefighters?"I got that, but your statement implies like someone else is praisworthy, like the USSR. With 20/20 hindsight, the victors fucked up repeatedly and so many less people would died.
It still staggers me how Stalin "didn't know" the Germans were preparing to invade. The NKVD found German leaflets that instructed Germans how to say "are you a communist" and "hands up" in Russian and Stalin still didn't believe anything was going to happen.
To be fair, he was certain the British were fucking with him. The British wanted to bomb Baku a year before but didn't get to do it because the French lost. Churchill was obsessed with helping the Finns.
>>2587467in 1945 when the Red Army has already crushed the Wehrmacht and was advancing in Germany?
is this blatant anticommunist revisionism straight from a nazi germany general's memoirs some kneejerk brainrot reaction to /ukr/ shit?
>>2587492>Was Stalin retarded?No, just too soft.
>>2587494>in 1945 when the Red Army has already crushed the Wehrmacht and was advancing in Germany?Read a book. The UK and British strategic bombing completely crippled Nazi Germany. It started in 1940 by the Brits and then with America once they entered the war.
>>2587504>it started in 1940Yeah in like August. Britain originally did not raid Germany regularly because, and I quote, "to avoid damaging private property".
The German war economy was shattered not just by British bombing (Americans helped but they were notoriously bad at night raids) but by Soviet advances taking back strategically important material deposits like oil, fuel, food, rubber and manganese. A lack of manganese made German tank armour brittle, less reliable and needing to be thicker to subdue its defects, which cost more money and forced the Nazis to make their economic black hole wundewaffes.
>>2587498war-weary, not soft. Also in the aftermath of WW2 only one country had nuclear weapons: The USA. Which is precisely why nuking Japan was a show of force not to Japan, but to the USSR. It was as if to say "Go past Berlin Stalin, I dare you."
if nuke bad, why mushroom cloud so beautiful?
>>2587513The allies destroyed all of their fuel refineries tho. The thing you need to actually make the tank move no matter how brittle it is or not.
>>2587527>DestroyedNo. Just exhausted their ability to produce fuel. They only ran out in 1945 when their tanks and aircraft to become immobilised.
>>2587527>The allies Meant UK and US. This guy's take is interesting:
https://www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/kak_sojuzniki_nam_pomogali_186.htm
> To this story is worth adding a couple of dates. Shortly after the first massive plaque on synthetic fuel factories on June 23, 1944, an offensive operation began in Belarus, known as the Bagration, and on July 6, 1944, the Allied landing began in Normandy. Thus, the calculation of the American command becomes extremely clear: to bombine synthetic fuels in advance so that by the time of landing, German troops and aviation would expend their reserves and face a shortage of fuel. This would not allow them to actively counteract in the air and conduct counter-offensive operations. Although they failed to completely deprive the Germans of fuel, nevertheless, the destruction of a significant part of the capacity and a significant reduction in fuel production played a role and became one of the significant factors that ensured the success of offensive operations in 1944-1945, which ended with the complete surrender of Germany.
> An interesting question arises: what prevented the Allies from bombing plants for the production of synthetic fuels before? It was quite within the strength of the British Air Force in the first half of the war (in 1940 13 thousand tons of bombs, in 1941 - 31.5 thousand tons, in 1942 - 45.5 thousand tons, in 1943 - 157.4 thousand tons of bombs). If the forces of the Allied aviation were redirected from Berlin (for which about 540 thousand tons of bombs were dropped for the war) on synthetic fuel plants, then it was possible to achieve the necessary effect. Even with low accuracy of bombing of British aviation, hitting even a part of the bombs was under serious damage. And if the British Air Force had carried out such an airstrike on the production of synthetic fuels in Germany in the spring of 1942, it would be easier for us!
>The German army, with a reduction in fuel supplies, it would be much more difficult to besiege Leningrad, it is more difficult to advance in Ukraine, in the North Caucasus, to rush to the Volga. The course of war would be completely different.
>In 1943, a strike at synthetic fuel plants was also no less necessary. Then, after a grandiose defeat on the Kursk arc, the German army would break down many months faster than it happened. Therefore, if the Allies intended to provide us with substantial assistance and, in general, to turn the course of the war to their advantage as soon as possible, the bombing of synthetic fuel plants would be one of the most effective means to achieve this goal.
>But it didn't happen. Bombing of factories began only after the allies needed to launch their own offensive operation in Europe. However, for the time being, the Allies were not particularly and tried to prevent Germany from waging a large-scale war against the USSR. In general, the same situation as it did before, during the First World War. Apparently, it is high time for Russia to draw decisive conclusions regarding allies, both former and present.
< К этой истории стоит добавить пару дат. Вскоре после первого массированного налета на заводы синтетического горючего 23 июня 1944 года началась наступательная операция в Белоруссии, известная под названием «Багратион», а 6 июля 1944 года началась высадка союзников в Нормандии. Таким образом, расчет американского командования становится предельно ясным: заблаговременно разбомбить заводы синтетического горючего, чтобы к моменту высадки немецкие войска и авиация израсходовали свои запасы и столкнулись с дефицитом горючего. Это не позволило бы им вести активное противодействие в воздухе и проводить контрнаступательные операции. Хотя полностью лишить немцев топлива им не удалось, тем не менее, уничтожение значительной части мощностей и существенное сокращение производства горючего сыграло свою роль и стало одним из весомых факторов, обеспечивших успех наступательных операций в 1944-1945 годах, которые закончились полной капитуляцией Германии.
< Возникает интересный вопрос: а что мешало союзникам разбомбить заводы по производству синтетического горючего раньше? Это было вполне по силам британским ВВС в первой половине войны (в 1940 году 13 тыс. тонн бомб, в 1941 — 31,5 тыс. тонн, в 1942 году — 45,5 тыс. тонн, в 1943 году — 157,4 тыс. тонн бомб). Если бы силы союзной авиации были перенацелены с Берлина (на который за войну было сброшено около 540 тыс. тонн бомб) на заводы синтетического горючего, то можно было добиться нужного эффекта. Даже при низкой точности бомбардировок британской авиации попадание в цель даже части бомб вело к серьезным повреждениям. И если бы британские ВВС нанесли такой авиаудар по производству синтетического горючего в Германии весной 1942 года, как бы нам было легче!
<Немецкой армии при сокращении поставок топлива было бы значительно труднее осаждать Ленинград, труднее наступать на Украине, на Северном Кавказе, рваться к Волге. Ход войны был бы совершенно другим.
<В 1943 году удар по заводам синтетического горючего тоже был не менее необходим. Тогда, после грандиозного поражения на Курской дуге, немецкая армия надломилась бы на много месяцев быстрее, чем это произошло. Следовательно, если бы союзники намеревались оказать нам существенную помощь и вообще как можно быстрее повернуть ход войны в свою пользу, то бомбардировки заводов синтетического горючего стали бы одним из наиболее эффективных средств для достижения этой цели.
<Но этого не произошло. Бомбардировки заводов начались только после того, как союзникам потребовалось начать собственную наступательную операцию в Европе. Впрочем, до поры до времени союзники не особо и старались препятствовать Германии вести широкомасштабную войну против СССР. В общем, сложилась такая же ситуация, как складывалась и ранее, во время Первой мировой войны. Видимо, России давно пора сделать решительные выводы относительно союзников, и бывших, и нынешних. >>2587424>You always find a way to babble outside the point gaynazi anon. Cutting off one head of the hydra doesn't do anything to kill the beast, it must be stabbed in the heart.This is just Dungeons & Dragons. I have to say I find this way of speaking about politics to be very strange. There have been left-wing groups here that thought like this and their effects were negative on the whole, I think. They didn't have a coherent strategy, it was basically self-expression. Most Americans are just going to assume you're asking them to rope themselves. That's not realistic.
>It's not some unique quirk of culture (you always emphasize idealism that way), it's a result of America's geographic and imperialist position in the world, which isolates and alienates the populace from the rest of the worldWell yeah there are two oceans. It's a continental island-sized nation-state. We're not going to undo that structure by arguing in circles like this.
>>2587527>Despite its successes, by the spring of 1944 the Combined Bomber Offensive had failed to dislocate the German economy or inflict severe disruptions in the production of vital items; the oil campaign missions were the first targeted attacks to accomplish these goals.so it only really came online by 1944
>Several prominent German military officers, however, described the oil campaign as critical to the defeat of Nazi Germany.but of course it was praised by nazi sources desperate to detract from their epic btfoing by the Soviets kek
>>2587532lmfao the rest of the world is going to advance beyond us, and then once able, kill us for what we've done while we're too busy arguing over the "realpolitik" of even seeing them as human because "tee hee most americans don't see non americans as human and you have to work with that"
if I can move my family to china before that point I will
What is the end goal of the neoliberal project? What will be the financiers last gamble? Full scale war? Of poorer countries to sap their resources? Of former allies?
>>2587539Why would there be an end goal? That sounds like idealism. Materialists live in the moment and do what material benefits them.
>>2587541Because capitalism must, by nature, enter a crisis and that crisis must result in another mutation - more extreme - to keep some resemblance of balance. Neoliberalism is more greedy and wasteful than the system that it replaced. It will eventually run out of fuel to keep itself up. It needs more foreign labour and more capital. The debt keeps going up and up and up and its need for resources to counter its diminishing domestic workforce goes up and up and up
>>2587543Yeah, that sounds like the opposite of having an end goal.
>>2587545Then forget I said "end goal". Pretend I said "final emergency measure".
honkoid status?
More than half of USAmericans can't read to a sixth grade level, what does this actually mean?
I send emails to people, and they call me because they clearly can't figure out what I said.
And on here I talk to "communists" who will make up shit you didn't say and get intimidated by a comment longer than a paragraph.
>>2587564Yet another reason we need communism. Even liberals and reactionaries have to admit that if there's ONE thing communists historically do well it's literacy campaigns.
>>2587564it means this thread needs more pictures and less text
we also need custom emojis like hexbear has
>>2587566Socialist curriculums are always better. I've always been impressed by how clever Russians raised in the USSR and the Eastern Bloc were.
>>2587572Cuba is too smart. It needs to be bombed and regime changed so it can be dumb dumb like me
Remember when the U.S stopped even charity groups providing medical aid to Cuba during covid yet they still managed to develop their own vaccine? Imagine what Cuba could become if it was completely free to trade with everyone. I know China is paving the way but so far all China can do is supply via aeroplane.
>>2587564Oh also, this is a more pressing reason for everyone here to thoroughly read and study Capital. As the American population becomes more and more illiterate and retarded, it becomes even more important that the revolutionary vanguard sharpens its theoretical skills lest it too become brain damaged.
>>2587589Ron Paul is the definition of a based retard.
>>2587589only 4.1 more years bros…
>>2587591>>2587592btw if you look it up on youtube they changed the end from "now they work for us" to "now their money is toilet paper"
>>2587595This is a tale as old as time. I'm pretty sure this "shifting" of global power began after the decline of domestic oil production in America when they stopped backing the US dollar up with gold - making the dollar a slowly dropping reserve currency. Cockshott talked about it.
>>2587532>This is just Dungeons & DragonsIt's just flowery language to say that America has a stranglehold on the world and any revolutionary activity is simply going to be held back until the america problem is taken care of
>There have been left-wing groups here that thought like this and their effects were negative on the whole, I think. They didn't have a coherent strategy, it was basically self-expressionIm not asking you to start a new weather underground anon, Im asking you to take the question of american imperialism seriously for what it is. The largest and most powerful organized force for anticommunism this planet has ever seen
>Most Americans are just going to assume you're asking them to rope themselves. That's not realistic. Im talking to you, not most americans
>Well yeah there are two oceans. It's a continental island-sized nation-state. We're not going to undo that structure by arguing in circles like this.Us talking about it, discussing the reasons for it is better than you just essentializing it as part of your cultural heritage and complicity endorsing it.
>>2587580Yeah, at worst I can see the U.S being economically isolated and we see decades of stagnation and decline. Idk if anyone’s seen the movie looper but I think they had a pretty good idea of the trajectory of the U.S. just a hollowed out and completely ran by gangsters, while being 20 years behind china.
>>2587595I've been slandered as a "lolbertarian goldbug" on here for reminding people that US fiat is inherently inflationary, and has no real value beyond people being forced to use it, domestically because of tax liability, and foreign because of US hegemony. Gold on the other hand, doesn't rot, is portable, durable, easily, stored, and is expensive due to the high amount of labor time required to mine and smelt the ore. It's literally a safe bet, barely more risky than a CD or a bond.
>>2587611>Idk if anyone’s seen the movie looper but I think they had a pretty good idea of the trajectory of the U.S. just a hollowed out and completely ran by gangsters, while being 20 years behind china.interesting. I pirated that years ago but never bothered watching it lol
>>2587605There is a supreme irony to this. The might of the Spanish Empire, with all its abundant wealth, got out-competed by the manufacturing mercantile powers of England and Holland - even though it was Spanish gold paying for their commodities - and slowly became less powerful than the British and Dutch empires. Now America is being out-competed by the Chinese. And the Americans can do nothing but buy more of it. Massive influxes of gold and silver also hyper inflated the Spanish imperial economy, devaluing their currency, combined with a lack of industrial development in comparison to its rivals. Just like the American empire.
>>2587617Them not talking about "Maintain" being fascism. Like this is literally what happened in Spain n the 1930s.
>>2587626yes, but also "redistribute" means "redistribute the imperial loot only to the people inside the borders"
Take: America has a petty bourgeois majority which is why it's so reactionary
>>2587629I really, really don't think the majority of americans are self-employed.
>>2587595It's a hell to know that Trump's imperialist shift to the Western Hemisphere is a conscious reaction by a section of the bourgeoisie against the collapsing dollar (and resultant knowledge that they cannot maintain unipolar dominance for long) and yet not be able to do anything with this knowledge. I'm a lost prophet crying out in the wilderness.
>>2587630The majority of Americans own land and a home which makes them petty bourgeois
>>2587629It has a lumpenprole plurality with a petty bourgeois + labor aristocrat majority
Probably like 40% lumpen
25% petty bourgeois
25% labor aristocrat%
10% bourgeois
>>2587632It's obvious to those know. Trump is a dumb moron, he's not the real one in power. The economists are, they have brains, they know what's going on. They force that fat fucks hand. Imports have dictated the fall of the US Dollar for 40 years, so it NEEDS more, like a blood transfusion.
>>2587637That would make sense if they used that land for something productive.
>>2587637They don't own their homes, the bank does. They are renters in all but name.
>>2587632>and yet not be able to do anything with this knowledgeorganize an antiwar movement to prevent the US from fucking with latin america. appeal to the popular sentiment against "forever wars"
>>2587644>They don't own their homes, the bank doesyeah home ownership statistics include people who haven't paid off mortgage yet , which I always thought was misleading, since one missed payment = lose the home
>>2587648>organize an antiwar movement to prevent the US from fucking with latin america.This is extremely difficult to do without a ground invasion. Most people unfortunately only really get fired up about stopping wars when American soldiers start dying.
owning a shitty copy paste house with an astroturfed "garden" isn't something that draws profit I feel, correct me if I'm wrong.
>>2587653>Most people unfortunately only really get fired up about stopping wars when American soldiers start dying.then just lie and make it about that even if it's at low risk of happening. 500,000 people protested the iraq war even though way fewer americans died than iraqis.
>>2587655you can theoretically rent it out to someone else which makes you a potential landlord. This is my situation. I rent a home from a guy paying a mortage lol
Nobody cared about the Gulf War when it was being fought. The antiwar protestors became sidelined. It just was a "thing" that was "happening". It didn't affect anyone personally. The Gaza conflict affected people because it was so obviously obscene and graphic.
>>2587638That means that the majority of America is reactionary none the less.
>>2587642They do. The home and land is fully commodified and treated like an appreciating asset rather than a place to live. Under capitalism land and a home are assets not just a place to live.
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