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>>2595441Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2596948this is the united states thread
>>2596951all american business is statsian business
Reminder: Both Trump and Zohran admit that they agree on most issue and the only substantial difference between them is the precise identity of who they think should benefit from American imperialism.
Venezuela at war. Neo-Pinochet fascists in Chile. Biometric ID and device vetting for people visiting America. Merry Christmas.
>>2596964even fatness is dying in amerigga, the reich is rotting…
>>2596932>There IS value in being able to have your voice be heard with the freedom of speech and democracy either way.Decided to respond in the new thread.
The problem with "Freedom" in general is it's a vague bourgeois thought-terminating-cliché. It's almost never clarified whether they mean positive freedom (i.e. freedom
to do things, including oppress others) or negative freedom (i.e. freedom
from things, like poverty and starvation). Capitalism is very good at promoting
individualist positive freedom (like the freedom to own property and exploit others) but very bad at promoting
collective negative freedom (like the freedom from exploitation). With socialism it's the other way around. Collective Negative Freedom is upheld at the direct expense of Individualist Positive Freedom. Because that benefits the working class who necessarily make up a majority of the planet, and a majority of most societies on the planet.
The specific problem with Freedom of speech, which is treated as an individualist positive freedom, is it very quickly devolves into the freeedom to spread misinformation (Saddam has weapons of mass destruction), and freedom to stir up hatred (pick your scapegoat). This is why it is important in a society that values Collective Negative Freedom to treat information as the result of scientific investigation, rather than completely subjective matter. In the US it is treated as completely subjective which is why there are "debates" treating Young Earth Creationism and Science with equal "validity." Mao Zedong said "No Investigation, No Right To Speak" for a reason!
>>2596968TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG TUNG
>>2596973It's either venezeula or something nobody cares about
New trump trading cards
>>2596975literal cyberpunk shit
>>2596975over a month old. keep up tweetanon. sheesh.
>>2596979>largerlmfao read marx. the russian revolution happened with a minority support too
>>2596975promoting chuddian obsession with asian girls is praxis for the advancement of the cpc
>>2596985>i forget the sickle and think only of the hammer>i think the proletariat is the only working class in a semi-feudal country with a large peasantryok that's nice kid
>>2596981this. every time he makes one of these 'big' announcements. people get hyped up that he's going to release the unredacted jeffry files but most likely its some more gold plated crap that he's trying to sell
The TRUMP 2026 I BEAT CHINA WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMY PLEASE SPEND MONEY HERE whiskey bottle.
>>2596948I don't care how liberal or reformist they are, if a "Communist" party in the states ever got 40% of the votes I'd jizz my pants
>>2596995We got close. We got 6%.
113 years ago.
>>2596972>nothing really matters because powerful people will always do whatever they wantIt's really funny that Americans and Russians have basically identical attitudes toward the world but still hate each other so much
>>2596998Hell I'd jizz my pants if we even got back to those days. Just ANY sign of political consciousness from the working class, PLEASE
>>2597001There is no serious third party, thus, the majority of people will not vote for anyone.
>>2596986>>2596993The picture of the strip club is also drenched in neon blue and purple lighting. A lot of Cyberpunk media has the same coloring.
>>2597002Well unfortunately the two issues feed into each other. At least in part there's no serious third party because class consciousness is abysmally low. But of course, class consciousness is also abysmally low in part because there's no serious (proletarian) third party.
>>2596993> I met Bruce Sterling once and told him I liked one of his novels and he said "thanks but I only killed one guy with a drone."wut
There isn't so much class consciousness in America as much as there is a general distrust of """the elites""" or """the establishment""" but even those phrases sound dated these days. It's like Trumps useage of those terms have made the terms seem outdated because most people who voted Trump under the pretext of his populist anti-establishment message realise that he is the establishment.
>>2597008>aesthetic is aestheticsYes.
>>2597009cyberpunk isn't just an aesthetic
>>2596973He has two pawns (that I know) in latam being Milei and most recently Kast. Maybe he'll make Argentina and Chile go to war against Venezuela for the U.S
>>2597007Agreed. Most ordinary people have a correct perception of themselves as powerless compared to a small minority of the powerful, but any further political awareness and conclusions tend to be very primitive.
>>2597007can't have class consciousness when everyone dreams of being a small business owner or land lord
>>2597017But that dream is slowly slipping away.
>>2597018god drones scare the fuck out of me. if we ever went to non-nuclear war with china, they would just absolutely destroy us with drones, which they manufacture at a way faster rate than us.
>>2597023Not only does China outnumber the US Navy massively but they could obliterate the US Navy simply with drones. It's why America is going down a submissive policy and is focusing more on its own backyard.
>>2597007I've been meaning to make a thread eventually on what appears to be the most organic and widespread strand of American populist and democratic consciousness. Its typically vaguely leftwing, anti-racist and anti-imperialist, libertarian, sympathetic with many socialist and revolutionary values and ideas, etc. However its relatively unsystematic in its understanding of class dynamics and how to solve the problems in American society, suspiciois of the state (even a revolutionary one) as a vehicle of social change, and also hostile to AES. There are a few ecelebs who I feel express this ideology like Karl from InRange or Atun-Shei films. I think it's definitely worth a closer look from Marxists because it seems like it will inevitably be the soil out of which American socialism grows.
>>2597024i lobe you stalin
>>2596973He’s going to announce he’s gay for Bill Clinton bussy
>>2597021nta but the go-to slogan is "hi-tech lo-life".
Cyberpunk is one of the few -punk subcultures which actually has elements of punk in it. It depicts an ultracorporate dystopia as a political statement about (at the time, around 50 years ago) the present.
Just like the worker movement, there is an aesthetic layer over the top, especially in pop media recuperation. This doesn't invalidate the underlying values.
I don't get why China doesn't invade Taiwan right the fuck now. Are they afraid of economic collapse?
>>2597038Welcome to /USApol/.
>>2597038Why would they invade when eventual integration through economic and cultural assimilation is inevitable?
>>2597040Because the opposite is happening, Chinas foreign minister said as much. America is actually increasing its extortionate control of certain Taiwanese industries.
>>2597037>>2597025Aren’t people like Elon Musk and tech weirdos into this shit too?
There are people who think “hi tech-lo life” is good aktually
>>2597030So in other words the National Socialist program but multicultural. You could have just said so and saved a lot of words
I want to live in a high tech socialist society except I personally live in a tiny hippy hut in a forest.
>>2597025>We must adjust to the rapidly changing future to sustain our lifestyles and speciesthe TRVE 14 words
>>2597020The biggest issue I've faced with IRL organizing and power building is the need to work with class enemies ie small business owners. But majority of these people don't own anything other than the right to be a business, ie they do not own the land or the space or the kitchen itself. This allows for some level of leeway within the superstructure, how far removed are you from the working class if you are part-owner of a restaurant and work 5 days a week at that same place? Not nearly as far removed as a banker, that's for sure, but everything else is up in the air.
The landlord bit, you probably know at least one person who is a small time landlord, owns a home, rents out the other home, whatever. Is this person of the same enemy as Blackrock? Or is this a person whom has been molded by the superstructure, which itself rewards landlordism as "investment". Does he even own the home if he's on a 40 year mortgage paying the banks for the home?
If the cafe owner says you can use that space to do your free breakfast or your party meetings, are they not allies at least ideologically, while still being of an antagonistic class? Is it more principled to refuse to collaborate within those spaces as to maintain purity of cause? Perhaps but this does not result in material praxis. You cannot have space for your community pantry if you are unable and unwilling to work with the small business owner.
You ask many of the masses, what is it to be American and they will tell you to be an American is to work hard, to hustle, to see an angle and make it happen. Do keep in mind this is after over 40 years of neoliberalism. Are you a business owner if you have a van and do flooring for homeowners? Do you have the same class interests as the million or billionaire class, or the working class?
Furthermore, and perhaps the most important question: How do revolutionaries whom seek to overthrow capitalism wholesale, align their party line within the mindspace of "hustler" that seems to bleed into all sects of american culture? Do they not have small business in China, or Cuba even? They do, not in the same way, but these contradictions have been shown to be manageable.
We have to be realistic about our material conditions and historical pathways available. This is why I have slowly moved away from the total insurrectionist, individualist anarchy that seeks to make the entire Turtle Island a stateless land, it is not achievable via actionable, material praxis, nor will.
>>2597021Technology run rampant but humanity still shackled to capitalism.
Take Bionics for instance. To just care about aesthetics would be like seeing blade arms or industrial bionic limbs as just looking cool. But in the context of the genre generally, its usually fucking horrific and used to show how barbaric/unfeeling society has become even with such fantastic tech (we have all this advanced tech but we use it to disembowel people or you literally have to lug around a broken servo arm because you can't afford to fix it and you we forced to sell your real arms to get a job that still keeps you in the slums). Dive bars and spies have existed before cyberpunk and there is no essence of high tech/low life in this story except neon lights and an asian woman named Jade (which are not cyberpunk).
>>2597047Nerds were saying you got arrested for drug dealing in the last thread.
>>2597043>Aren’t people like Elon Musk and tech weirdos into this shit too? No idea, I don't follow celebrities.
At most, I'd expect it to be surface-level purely-aesthetic appreciation. Like the conservative who is shocked to hear Rage Against The Machine is now getting political and woke, or the person who enjoys Star Wars but doesn't even notice that the Empire represents the USA.
>>2597047erik you are one of the few intelligent people on this board
have you seen elons hairline recently
why doesn't he engineer something that grows that shit back
>>2597044Idk what kind of brainworms you have to have to think that what I described is "national socialism" by any stretch of the imagination.
>>2597044Godwin's law alive and well
>>2597025Anon associating the story with cyberpunk because of the neon made sense to me. Doesn't matter if you think the association was superficial the fact we both independently got the same impression shows that cyberpunk media has a particular look.
>>2597040>inevitableNothing is inevitable. They shouldn't take the chance and just invade. What's the west going to do? Cry about it and then invade South America anyway?
>>2597057of course we're losing faith
any human with a brain knows this nations economy is on its last legs
>>2597055it's just the authentic andesite andrew calling everyone LiTteRaLlY HiTlEr again
>>2597059>What's the west going to do?Potentially initiate a nuclear exchange. They've threatened it for less. However I think China's aversion to an invasion of Taiwan is more about how difficult it would make the island to rule afterwards.
>>2597059>What's the west going to do? It's more the economic backlash. China has strict 5 year plans. It wishes to focus on those plans. Also you have Japan saying shit that even the Americans think is out of line, saying they'll defend the puppet state if its invaded.
>>2597062Taiwanese people are not going to fight a guerilla war against the PRC, anon.
>>2597066this guys just a vegan liberal
>>2597062>>2597064>>2597063I always assumed that China's entire attitude towards reunification was that Taiwan would beg to merge back with the mainland when the West finally gives up the act of artificially propping up Taiwans economy when they can't afford to anymore.
>>2597070> when the West finally gives up the act of artificially propping up Taiwans economy when they can't afford to anymore.which is funny since the biggest stock market bubble in US history is entirely dependent on taiwanese semiconductor manufacturers. The "AI Bubble" is built on Nvdia, and Nvidia components are built in Taiwan.
>>2597030this is a really good idea, anon. You definitely hit on a lot of things I've noticed but couldn't put into words. I think with enough critique of this strand of consciousness, attacking its weaker points, there could be a way to cut and refine this gem so to speak.
Taiwan makes up 60% of the entire global semiconductor industry. Entire economies are built on this shit.
>>2597062>Potentially initiate a nuclear exchange.Big doubt. American porkys wont risk their own death over Taiwan. They'd take that loss but would escalate their other proxy wars to make up for it.
>>2597063While that makes sense they probably need to put politics over economics in this case. I see Taiwan as a West Berlin type situation where it's best to take bold action to eliminate western footholds.
>>2597030>Atun-Shei filmslove that channel
Aren't Bangladesh and Bulgaria proof that overthrowing/replacing the government is possible without fighting the army?
>>2597075I don't think that necessarily makes it unlikely, I just think you're describing a political superstructural obstacle that while still annoying, is only going to weaken naturally as material conditions progress.
>>2596995>I don't care if a liberal party larping as a communist sets the communist movement back years i see big number next to name and cum myselfbro
>>2597085To answer your question one has to identify what were the characteristics of those countries which made that outcome possible and does the United States possess the same characteristics?
It's ironic the Rightoid Kuomintang are the sensible ones who accept the political reality that China is the fair, more powerful force and reunification is in the benefit of all taiwanese and the liberal DPP are the insane """"progressives"""" who supported the South Korean martial law and let the Americans grab hold of their economies.
>>2597092it's not ironic at all, guomindang, above all else, are chinese nationalists. they only fled to "Formosa" because they lost the civil war. Imagine if Confederates fled to Puerto Rico or something, and they England kept them as a puppet state for a while, but then confederates wanted reunification, but the brits propped up some random libs to prevent that. It's kinda like that.
>>2597098it look like a poopie
>>2597099They're dying for a poopie.
>>2596954True, but maybe not for long. Let's all hope the Monroe Doctrine finally dies.
>>2597055Well let’s see here and compare the NSDAP program in theory and practice to “American socialism”
>utopian socialism hostile to Marxism rooted in the labor aristocracyCheck
>unites various ethnic groups of a common “volk” as destined for prosperityCheck
>sees an outgroup (Slavs, third worlders) as expendable slaves to be raped and exploited for the prosperity of the volkCheck
>appropriates revolutionary and Marxist rhetoric for reactionary aimsCheck!
>anti-state, pitting the nation against the stateSuper check
Oh my oh dear, sounds like American leftism and the NSDAP have more in common then you might think!
>>2597104bro it's only going to get worse
>>2597106america is weak and only gets weaker so
>>2597112more reason to get violent
man there was this crazy ass tweet from a schizo reactionary chinese account with like a communist black sun attacking an outline of the island of taiwan filled in with the israeli, american, and lgbt flag
But it was deleted for some reason on the last china thread. It was so funny
>>2597098Imagine dying for a flag
>>2597115I was told for a month straight that a war with iran was inevitable over the summer so Im not convinced they're interested in a full scale adventure in venezuela
>>2597105>unites various ethnic groups of a common “volk” as destined for prosperityNazis were Aryan German ethnic supremacists not civil nationalists. Nazi Volk specifically refereed to one ethnicity, the Aryan Germans and they discriminated against all other ethnic groups.
>anti-state, pitting the nation against the stateNazis loved the state and wanted to unite the nation and the state into one.
There philosophy might be idealist non-sense but it isn't national socialism.
>>2597115the extent of america's violent capabilities decrease even if the desperation of that violence increases. still waiting for them to do something to venezuela besides attack random boats.
>>2597123man I forgot about how insane the Iran shit was earlier this year. It broke my fucking brain that it was
literally orchestrated for show because they made deals behind the scenes, but part of the deal was that america had to pretend to bomb something (iran moved all nuclear materials out of the site like 2 weeks before)
The most insane I've ever felt watching something and wondering if anyone else was seeing what I was seeing
>>2597105>made up a bunch of shit sabocat didn't saycheck
>>2597105>utopian socialismThe Nazis weren't utopian socialists, they were anti-socialists. Utopian socialists are those which share socialist goals but reject Marx's theory of history and revolution.
>hostile to MarxismI wouldn't say it's hostile to Marxism in the sense of seeing domestic Marxists as enemies.
>rooted in the labor aristocracyI didn't say anything about that either.
>unites various ethnic groups of a common “volk” as destined for prosperityNazis explicitly reject the concept of a multiethnic nation. The idea of a common nationality across ethnicities is just civic nationalism which is currently practiced by every socialist state in history.
>sees an outgroup (Slavs, third worlders) as expendable slaves to be raped and exploited for the prosperity of the volkIt very much doesn't, on the contrary its pretty explicitly anti-imperialist.
>appropriates revolutionary and Marxist rhetoric for reactionary aimsI didn't even explain what it's aims are.
>anti-state, pitting the nation against the stateDo you unironically consider the Nazis anti-state?
>>2597047I get why we need to have a measured stance on the PB but I've seen too many people around me have vaguely soc dem political values that amount to "political power grows out of the welcome mat of the mom and pop restaurant" reflexive class collaboration stuff to not be soured.
>>2597129Could you provide me some instances of the nazis bashing socialism outside the context of marxism/communism?
>>2597132They sent social democrats and anarchists to the camps. That's entirely missing the point though, since the Nazis weren't utopian socialists by any stretch of the imagination.
since the US repealed birthrigh citizenship, once we take over power, can someone deport marco rubio so his execution will be televised in cuba?
>>2597137>(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/I'm sorry bro, we'll have to issue another executive order to change the Constitution if we want to deport him.
>>2597129thank you for being patient with Subject F
>>2597134what a sad little goalpost shift that was also dealt with quite easily
>>2597131This is why the Chinese came up with the doctrines of "grasp the large and let go of the small" and "birdcage economy"
It's easy enough to keep the most important sectors of the economy nationalized while ignoring small biz BS, and leaving it to be dealt with later, or promoting cooperatives in the meantime.
>Kamala Harris isn't planning to go gentle into that good night. This week the former vice president made clear to potential 2028 rivals that she's working to keep another White House campaign viable.
>Why it matters: Despite worries from party leaders and donors that she can't win, Harris remains at or near the top of most 2028 Democratic primary polls. She also has strong support among Black voters — the most critical voting bloc in most recent Democratic presidential primaries.
>>2597047>Turtle Island it's kind of funny people use this term to appeal to the indigenous because “Turtle Island” is an Indigenous name for North America, but it is not used by all Indigenous peoples. It comes from specific cultural traditions, mainly in the Northeastern Woodlands, and other nations have different origin stories and place-names.
Turtle Island "Believers":
Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, Tuscarora
Different origin story:
Lakota, Blackfoot, Cheyenne, Crow, Diné, Hopi, Zuni, Pueblo, Haida, Tlingit, Salish, Kwakwaka'wakw, Miwok, Yurok, Chumash, Pomo, Cherokee, Muscogee, Choctaw, Seminole, Inuit, Dene, Cree
The whole pan-indgenous appeal to "Turtle Island" is an innovation of 20th century indigenous activism.
>>2597050OK thanks; I get what you're saying now
You nerds constantly see my shadow in every poster now. Even when I'm not there you still see me. If that poster was me I'd be pointing out that Sabotabby anon willingly joined a liberal death squad and took up arms for the bourgeoisie and is therefore an enemy.
>>2597164If they can forgive Paulus for commanding German troops at Stalingrad I'm sure they can forgive me for sitting around doing nothing.
ACAB includes troops, never forget it. The only use for a NATO soldat is digging its own grave.
>>2597166Plenty of SS "sat around and did nothing" too, but they were still criminals. You joined a criminal organization to commit crimes against the rest of the world. You bore arms for the bourgeoisie with every intent to kill workers for their benefit. The only reason you did not is because you were never ordered to.
>>2597157To be fair "Turtle Island" is a slightly cooler name than "America" so I'm willing to let it slide
>>2597119>a communist black sunsounds like one of those "red shambhala" meme accounts
>>2597174Shelalula patza putza mama mia chele ladaaaaaaa
Or however that song goes I'm drunk
>>2597170>You bore arms for the bourgeoisie with every intent to kill workers for their benefit.Actually I joined because I thought that socialists should have military training, and that they should conduct agitation and subversion within the ranks of the military as Lenin said. I actually did this and got reprimanded for with when I was going around urging people in my unit to not volunteer for training deployments in Ukraine, telling them about the Nazis there, etc. Other times I openly shilled communism to other troops, argued that Canada should leave NATO, that the US was our real enemy rather than Russia and China, etc. I also specifically joined a reserve force that couldn't be involuntarily deployed. So as far as I'm concerned I gained valuable insider knowledge of a NATO military and conducted subversive activity (as much as I could by myself) while making no tangible contribution to actual NATO operations.
>>2597172>>2597172United Socialist Republic of Turtle Island
USRTI
>>2597172There's no good demonym for turtle island
>>2597180Turtle Islander(s)?
>>2597181yeah that's lame
>>2597176god sabocat you fucking rule lmao
>>2597181Also just Islander, kind of like how we have a long name for the USoA but we shorten it to America. IATA
>>2597176I don't believe you, because first and foremost you are not a socialist, you are a liberal. You joined a liberal death squad as a liberal to kill workers for the benefit of the ruling class.
If you did your job you contributed to NATO operations.
The only way a NATO soldat can redeem itself is to kill as many officers as it can before turning the gun on itself.
>>2597186god you're such a whiny little bitch
>>2597186>I don't believe youYeah well everybody here thinks you're a fat retard so who cares?
>>2597177Dont think I've forgotten you were a troop too Houdini. What have you done to make amends for taking up arms to murder workers for the bourgeoisie?
>>2597177>USRTISounds like a sexually transmitted disease.
>>2597191all you do is some in here and scold, point fingers and talk shit. You don't do a god damn thing
>>2597196I do more than anyone on here, I just don't intend to tell you anti-communists anything.
>>2597190Is that all you've got? Not such a tough guy now are you, baby killer.
>>2597198You're right, I am not a socialist
I am a Communist, and the only one here.
>>2597191Houdini was a soldier? I don't believe it.
>>2597202Houdini took up arms to murder workers for the benefit of the bourgeoisie, yes. He doesn't brag about it like sabotabby, but he has done nothing to make up for it. He also sold poison to the workers and has no problem with peddling narcotics for personal gain.
>>2597205critical support for antisemitism? No? Ok maybe later…
I'm not sure what to think about this shooting in Australia. On one hand antisemitism is a cancer on the earth. But on the other, Australians are vermin and like all invasive species it should be illegal to leave one alive.
>>2597211The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering is a book by Norman Finkelstein arguing that the American Jewish establishment exploits the memory of the Nazi Holocaust for political and financial gain and to further Israeli interests. According to Finkelstein, this "Holocaust industry" has corrupted Jewish culture and the authentic memory of the Holocaust.
The Holocaust industry
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Finkelstein follows the Holocaust's standing in American life from the postwar years to the end of the 20th century. Before the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, he argues, the Holocaust took little part in the lives of American Gentiles and Jews. There was, for example, at that time only a small number of books and films on the Holocaust and few works of scholarship. Not until the late 20th century, especially after the 1967 War, did the Holocaust take up its role as the foremost historical event in the American mind – so Finkelstein argues.[3][4]: 12–16, 21–24
Finkelstein views this growing American fixation with the Holocaust through a materialist lens. After World War II, he claims, the leaders of American Jewish organizations (like the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee) understood assimilation and access to elite power to be in their own interest. Thus these organizations distanced themselves from Israel, moderated their demands for German denazification, and collaborated with McCarthyite investigations. In the 1960s, however, the American government began a friendlier relationship with the Israeli government; and the interests of American Jewish leaders changed. Their organizations began openly to support Israel and espouse a Holocaust ideology that emphasized (1) the Holocaust as a unique historical event and (2) the Holocaust as the climax of an eternal anti-Semitism. Finkelstein argues that this Holocaust ideology does not fit with academic Holocaust scholarship. Rather it serves to defend Israel and American Jewish leaders from criticism.[2][4]: 16–24, 41–42
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_Industry >>2597200If we're all militant anti communists why do you waste hours of every day here?
>>2597226More importantly, if he's the only one in the world (or at least in America) then why bother?
>>2597047Its not neoliberalism idiot, its settler-colonialism and it hasn't been 40 years more like near 400 years.
>>2597230Neoliberalism is settler colonialism retard
Did anybody watch any football today?
>>2597230Islam has been settler colonialist for 1500 years now
>>2597237I watched a few minutes of the Cowboys and it made me feel a little comfy in case you're asking.
>>2597226Because I am trying to hound CPUSAnon to suicide or exile.
>>2597229There are other communists in America but it's not a shock that you don't know any.
>>2597237Why would anyone watch that garbage?
>>2597172I'm mohawk and completely indifferent
>>2597251This isn't about being a serious communist or not, he's severely mentally ill as evidenced by his repetitive homicidal ideations that he not only has but makes everyone aware of. He's self aggrandizing (I'm the only real communist here), paranoid, severely lacks judgement (doxes himself, posts pictures of guns he just bought, posts his own face) while insinuating wanting to kill members of this board.
>>2597258The Google AI summary is already saying "was" lol
>>2597245You are a very unserious person or very mentally ill then, either way not worth interacting with or taking seriously
>>2597258lol
There's no confirmation yet
>>2597239thank you for your wisdom mass tor baiter
>>2597261I'm well aware. I'm trying to demonstrate his own silliness to him by contrasting how seriously he takes himself (I'm the only real communist here) with how he spends his free time (talking to and threatening a small imageboard of no great significance).
>>2597258>The Princess Bride>This is Spinal Tapoh that guy
btw the article for the sequel says he's dead even though his main wiki doesn't
>>2597261and again I don't want him to think it's like, a moral failing to be mentally ill. He always assumes it's manipulative or whatever to say he needs actual medical intervention for what is clearly bipolar mania. As if I'm making it up just to win an argument.
And I say this as someone who is a Bipolar communist myself but now medicated lmao.
Eventually his bipolar will worsen to the point where he'll either check himself in, be arrested for taking massive risks, possibly hurt someone, or commit suicide. If I'm right about this (like 90% confident I am), then these are the only outcomes for anyone with bipolar.
If he ever finally got treatment and came back and was like "woops lol sorry guys" then I would actually be happy.
>>2597270It's getting confused. Google summary says he died lol, but click on AI mode and it says he's still alive according to current reports.
Two people were found dead in the Brentwood mansion, authorities confirmed to Deadline. Though law enforcement did not disclose the identities of the deceased, they were identified as a 78-year-old man and 68-year-old woman, respectively, descriptions that match the ages of Reiner and his wife Michele Reiner
https://deadline.com/2025/12/rob-reiner-two-reported-dead-at-home-lapd-1236648185/>>2597245So what's the point of getting a anti-communist exiled from an anti-communist community?
>>2597266Glad someone appreciates my wisdom.
Also the Black Hills are rightful Cheyenne clay and the Lakota were settler colonialist. Arikara? Never heard of them…
>>2596820Wrong. Private proletarian property is enshrined in all Communist constitutions
I heard Trump was talking about some “major announcement” today, anyone have any clue what that’s about?
>>2597281he's gonna ride the sybian live on Howard Stern
>>2597280how is any of that anarchism? Not saying he wasn't, just that the screenshot shows no proof. Did you just rip this from pol?
>>2597280Posting this kind of shit without any attribution should be bannable
>>2597289>The person of interest detained in connection with the Brown University shooting, identified by law enforcement sources as Benjamin Erickson, is a decorated soldier who had served in a position at Arlington National Cemetery, according to his LinkedIn profile.
>Erickson, a 24-year-old Wisconsin native, served as an infantry soldier in the US Army, where he passed sniper training, had experience with firearms instruction and had served as a rifleman between 2021 and 2024, according to the profile.
>Erickson also received a good conduct medal, participated in “security duties” near the president and assisted with funeral ceremonies at Arlington, the profile stated.
>The LinkedIn page stated he planned to continue his college education at Brown University in the fall 2025 semester.
>A spokesperson for the US Army said Erickson had no deployments and left last year with the rank of specialist. Brown University did not immediately respond to questions about Erickson’s record.
>Authorities said the person of interest was not a current student at Brown, but law enforcement sources indicated to CNN that he might have been recently enrolled.
>Erickson took online classes with a focus on psychology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee after graduating from high school in July 2020, and then transferred to Brown for this fall semester after his military service ended, according to the profile, which noted a variety of interests including animal welfare, veteran support and helping the poor.
>The profile further noted that he had interned as a carpenter and helped out at a horse rescue center.
>A staff member at the rescue, the Gentle Giants Draft Horse Rescue in Maryland, told CNN that Erickson was part of an Army unit that learned horse handling techniques at the rescue center between 2023 and 2024. Erickson was training with the Caisson Detachment of the US Army’s 3d US Infantry Regiment, the staff member said – a unit that provides escorts for military and state funerals.
>A high school yearbook included a photo of Erickson on his school’s wrestling team. A profile on X that appeared to belong to Erickson posted in 2016 and 2017 about wrestling, music and political satire.
>One of Erickson’s former high school classmates, Bryce Jankowski, said he recently exchanged texts with Erickson, who said he was studying at Brown.
>“He said he was doing good,” Jankowski said. “He said he was living at a hotel because his apartment flooded,” though he said that did not seem to bother him.
>Jankowski described Erickson as a well-behaved, smart individual. He did not recall Erickson making any concerning statements, harboring extremist views or having any behavioral challenges. “He was wicked smart.”
>After high school, he said Erickson had told him that he was in sniper school with the US military.
>A former wrestling teammate from high school, who asked not to be quoted by name, described Erickson as a “pretty nice guy, he was quiet… he becomes really outgoing when you get to know him, but he’s pretty quiet when you don’t.”
>On Sunday afternoon, CNN observed the FBI at a Wisconsin home owned by Erickson’s family.
>A search of court databases showed no clear criminal history for Erickson aside from a 2023 case in which he was cited for driving on a sidewalk, a charge that was dismissed. >>2597284The meme is anarcho-primitivist. Saying that proves any real political dedication almost 10 years later is questionable though.
>>2597297All that is probably why he killed random people tbh
>>2597293>interned as a carpenter Trades are doing "interns" now huh
>>2597304>Trades are doing "interns" now huhwait until you learn what guild apprentices were
>>2597047>The landlord bit, you probably know at least one person who is a small time landlord, owns a home, rents out the other home, whatever. Is this person of the same enemy as Blackrock? Or is this a person whom has been molded by the superstructure, which itself rewards landlordism as "investment". Does he even own the home if he's on a 40 year mortgage paying the banks for the home? Everything you say is proudhonist nonsense. Read Engels on housing question. Landlordism is rent on productive capital, not your mom's basement. renting housing is inordinary commodity exchange, not landlordism.
>We have to be realistic about our material conditions and historical pathways available. This is why I have slowly moved away from the total insurrectionist, individualist anarchy that seeks to make the entire Turtle Island a stateless land, it is not achievable via actionable, material praxis, nor will.At least you admit to have abandoned revolution for opportunism. You admit you abandon the neocolonial struggle of internal colonies. You admit that you are fine with permenant settler state and that you just want handout. You are petite-bourgeois vagrant anti-Communist neocolonizer.
>>2597021>define cyberpunk in non aesthetic termsDystopia set in a future where Capitalism leverages sci-fi technology (with emphasis on information technology and transhumanism) to *somehow* perpetuate itself past wildly exacerbated contradictions.
>>2597307hyperventilate less
>>2597298top 10 people it would be funny to see take a molotov to the face
>>2597230What the fuck do you think Russia is except a settler colony??? Hell fucking Vietnam did settler colony in Champa, settler colonialism is valuable as an analytical tool only in analyzing early market formation since every settler got a land and thus became inducted into the market, it's not some original sin bs you can use to explain everything
>>2597283hahahahahahaha hell yea dude
>>2597298thank god the US has shredded its soft power so other countries don't care about their dumb shit anymore
>>2597297he joined the army of course he's a dumbass
>>2597319his screams are so shit lol
>>2597313I'm sorry if i offended an indigenous comrade with this post but the way leftoids use settler colonialism on everything and everyone is borderline retarded. Why is Amerikkkan food 99% corn syrup extract? Settler colonialism. Why do Americans love cuckold porn? Settler colonialism (Blackredguard unironically tweeted this) why do people vote for Trump? Settler colonialism, never mind that a lot of Trump voters are former Obama voters so i guess Obama also became president because of SSettler KKKolonialism!!!!!
>>2597325wrong. Read Cuba China Vietnam Communist constitutions
>>2597309>to *somehow* perpetuate itself past wildly exacerbated contradictions.It doesn't seem that strange considering technology can wildly unbalance power relations. Look at real European history and how they managed to leverage guns into making colonial empires. Now imagine future capitalists using DNA encryption to control drone armies while forcing their employees to install brain chips with kill switches in them.
>>2597323It’s true, but it is also incredibly dumbed down, and fails to attack the mode of production that allows all of this to happen in the first place.
so why cant we keep the petit bourg around eh?
>>2597305I already generally regard most “communist parties” as sects. Sects participating in the fully controlled bourgeois two party system that even the founders of the country would decry does not surprise me in the slightest.
>>2597341Because they all suck big ol donkey balls, and are also heavily contaminated by hitler particles
>>2597343yet china seems to handle them perfectly. Why not adapt that
>>2597292I joked with some buddies once that Eva Braun was the one who pushed Hitler to do the Holocaust but Loomer is unironically making the meme real. Like she’s the most vicious little hyena I’ve seen.
>>2597344I'm not fundamentally opposed to petit bourgs but the simple fact is small business will 9 out of 10 times stand against wage increase which is what 90% of the left want. Mbe if the petit bourgs only employ their family members or are freelancers we can ally with them
>>2597347i have no disagreement with that.
>>2596967>>2596967>The problem with "Freedom" in general is it's a vague bourgeois thought-terminating-cliché. It's almost never clarified whether they mean positive freedom (i.e. freedom to do things, including oppress others) or negative freedom (i.e. freedom from things, like poverty and starvation). Capitalism is very good at promoting individualist positive freedom (like the freedom to own property and exploit others) but very bad at promoting collective negative freedom (like the freedom from exploitation). With socialism it's the other way around. Collective Negative Freedom is upheld at the direct expense of Individualist Positive Freedom. Because that benefits the working class who necessarily make up a majority of the planet, and a majority of most societies on the planet. I can get behind this, yes, the general "freedom" can mean many things dangerous, destructive, exploitative, etc. that would be better limited.
>The specific problem with Freedom of speech, which is treated as an individualist positive freedom, is it very quickly devolves into the freeedom to spread misinformation (Saddam has weapons of mass destruction), and freedom to stir up hatred (pick your scapegoat). This is why it is important in a society that values Collective Negative Freedom to treat information as the result of scientific investigation, rather than completely subjective matter. In the US it is treated as completely subjective which is why there are "debates" treating Young Earth Creationism and Science with equal "validity." Mao Zedong said "No Investigation, No Right To Speak" for a reason!The problem is that when you censor and limit the expression of certain ideas you make it more difficult to find what is true. The government will always have certain interests that will affect what they wish to research or what conclusions they might want to find, by giving exclusive power to the government in such matters you're just ensuring that when the government is wrong (and there will always be times where that's the case) there is no possibility of independent questioning of its actions or claims.
For example, if the US government was the sole arbiter and manager of any discussions regarding WMDs in Iraq, then their narrative would simply be the mandated truth, unless the government decides it wants to shoot itself in the foot and seriously reinvestigate and publish whether their justification for tens of thousands of deaths was of any substance. Of course, the situation in a capitalist state is much different than in a dictatorship of the proletariat, but a perfect, impartial governing body will never exist, and allowing freedom of speech means truth can be found in spite of this. The spreading of misinformation by individuals or corporations is an unfortunate effect of allowing the freedom of speech, but its mere existence is not in itself damaging; consumption and acceptance of it can be avoided by an educated and skeptical populace. Even in the absence of a generally educated populace, motivated and educated individuals can do research themselves.
Young Earth Creationism and accepted science are of course not similar in evidence or logic, but it is
because the facts of the world are so rigorously tested and reviewed and questioned and yet still hold up that we can be confident that they are correct.
And just generally, compromising freedom of speech in some areas, regarding some beliefs or ideas, means its easier to compromise it in more questionable places.
>>2597305What difference does this make? The policy is wrong, regardless. The Soviets wanted stability and had no desire to ferment revolutionary conditions in America. They believed that the contradictions inherent to American capitalism would bring about it's collapse eventually and they didn't want to stir the pot with dangerous leaders who could start a war.
It was never the best policy for America, it was the best policy for the USSR, who was much more timid than you are led to believe by the capitalist historians. The USSR is gone, it has failed because of it's revisionist policies like this one.
The policy was wrong then, and it's even more wrong now. Climate Change dramatically shifts the equation. We are staring down the barrel of a loaded gun, and we know exactly who's holding it and why. We fully understand that the capitalist mode of production is the primary driver of climate change and unless it's overthrown, we are facing a calamity the likes of which hasn't been seen in millennia, AT BEST. At worst we're facing human extinction.
If we don't do something within our lifetimes, we are aiding and abetting this disaster. Voting for the Democrats, supporting imperialism as a tool to build up the homeland, class collaboration and Browderism are things we have no time for. We must break this system, NOW, or we are all doomed.
>>2597344Because China is revisionist, capitalist, and is actually handling them poorly. If they were handling them poorly, they would simply not be a thing at all.
>>2597347>I'm not fundamentally opposed to petit bourgs>we can ally with them
>B. Petty-Bourgeois Socialism>The feudal aristocracy was not the only class that was ruined by the bourgeoisie, not the only class whose conditions of existence pined and perished in the atmosphere of modern bourgeois society. The medieval burgesses and the small peasant proprietors were the precursors of the modern bourgeoisie. In those countries which are but little developed, industrially and commercially, these two classes still vegetate side by side with the rising bourgeoisie.In countries where modern civilisation has become fully developed, a new class of petty bourgeois has been formed, fluctuating between proletariat and bourgeoisie, and ever renewing itself as a supplementary part of bourgeois society. The individual members of this class, however, are being constantly hurled down into the proletariat by the action of competition, and, as modern industry develops, they even see the moment approaching when they will completely disappear as an independent section of modern society, to be replaced in manufactures, agriculture and commerce, by overlookers, bailiffs and shopmen.
>In countries like France, where the peasants constitute far more than half of the population, it was natural that writers who sided with the proletariat against the bourgeoisie should use, in their criticism of the bourgeois régime, the standard of the peasant and petty bourgeois, and from the standpoint of these intermediate classes, should take up the cudgels for the working class. Thus arose petty-bourgeois Socialism. Sismondi was the head of this school, not only in France but also in England.>This school of Socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects of machinery and division of labour; the concentration of capital and land in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.>In its positive aims, however, this form of Socialism aspires either to restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of production and of exchange within the framework of the old property relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.>Its last words are: corporate guilds for manufacture; patriarchal relations in agriculture.>Ultimately, when stubborn historical facts had dispersed all intoxicating effects of self-deception, this form of Socialism ended in a miserable fit of the blues.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm >>2597353Kash may be the most hilariously incompetent FBI head in history.
>>2597347There will always be class traitors, but the petty bourgeoisie is the seed stock of fascism. They are likely a plurality in America.
Do you see what I say when I tell you the FACT that the vast majority of Americans are reactionary? I am talking about the material conditions of their life, they have a material reason to oppose Communism and support Capitalism (in it's final form Imperialism), because they directly benefit from it.
>>2597305Mao met with nixon though. so this is wrong. Every election, thousands of us ask China State accounts on twitter who to vote for and they are silent
>>2597361>FACT that the vast majority of Americans are reactionary? I am talking about the material conditions of their life, they have a material reason to oppose Communism and support Capitalism (in it's final form Imperialism), because they directly benefit from it.Do you have any information to back that up whatsoever?
>>2597353Patel manages to look like an overconfident douchebag and bumbling idiot out of his depth at the same time. One act would cancel the other and leave him looking like a cynical manipulator. But the culture war has taught us well to be selective.
>>2597327AES constitutions are wonderful things, victories of the working class, but they are no substitute for Marx, Engels, and Lenin, who never used the oxymoronic term "Proletarian Private Property" (neither does the DPRK constitution you linked). In
Principles of Communism, Section 7, Engels says:
>the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general. Source:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htmIn
Karl Marx's Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Manuscript 1, in the section titled Rent of Land, Marx says:
>At the same time, association restores man's intimate links to the land in a rational way, no longer mediated by serfdom, lordship, and an imbecile mystique of property. This is because the earth ceases to be an object of barter, and through free labor and free employment once again becomes authentic, personal property for man.Source:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/epm/1st.htmSo Marxist theory already uses the term "Personal Property" in the way you are using "Proletarian Private Property." You are merely using a different term to confuse and provoke people, as is your modus operandi on here. That is called trolling.
>>2597363>Mao met with nixon though.because he normalized economic relations and abolished the gold standard. Never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake. :^)
>>2597353It's never been easier to be a criminal, fucking hell he's so bad at this.
>>2597370What is the implication here? That the ruthless criticism of everything isn’t treated as a radical act? That the ruthless criticism of everything isn’t compatible with the real movement?
>>2597367Mao should have retired by 1957.
>>2597376meme implication is most people would rather criticize than actually do something.
>>2597364Out of a total workforce of 170 million Americans (remember, a significant portion of the total population is either children or the elderly and therefore are not a part of the workforce), there are 33 million small business owners, 10 million landlords, 2 million "family farmers" and 16.5 million self-employed. That is a minimum of 61.5 million petty bourgeoisie as the number does not also include labor aristocrats (by this I mean either union leaders or workers who directly benefit from Imperialism, as in workers for defense contractors. Defense contractors alone comprise 2 million jobs in America), and it is 36% of the total workforce. Let's be generous and say that with labor aristocrats, that gives us 40%.
Calculating how many Americans are part of the bourgeoisie is difficult, but it is at least double digit millions. Consider that the America has at least 8 million "high net worth individuals" (people with 1 million in LIQUID assets, so this does not include home or property) and then add in people worth even more than that, and you reach 10 million.
The rest is Proletarian and lumpenproletarian, of which America maintains a huge number.
The demographics of America are wildly different than the demographics of Tsarist Russia or Feudal China. America's petty-bourgeoisie is the largest ever seen, and as always, the petty bourgeoisie is a reactionary class. Petty-bourgeois revolution leads to fascism.
>>2597366>ES constitutions are wonderful things, victories of the working class, butyou are kautskyite. private property is enshrined in all Communist constitutions.
>but they are no substitute for Marx, Engels, and Lenin, who never used the oxymoronic term "Proletarian Private Property" (neither does the DPRK constitution you linked). You are complete revisionist. Communist States like Korea explicitly protect private property because private property is proletarian in Communism. Article 54 of Civil Code of the RSFSR (1922) enshrines proletariat's right to private property, "which may include buildings, enterprises, tools, household items, money, and valuables."
>>2597383ok but as american hegemony declines and outsourced manufacturing jobs are re-shored those people will be proletarianized again.
>>2597172I find "Turtle Island" unfitting, at least go with something like "Turtalia" or something, I don't know.
>>2597385We don't have time for that, climate change means that we have to act within our lifetimes.
>>2597363>>2597367I love the Nixon-Mao transcripts. It's so entertaining I ended up reading it straight through again.
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1969-76v17/d194
<Chairman Mao: (looking at Dr. Kissinger) He is a doctor of philosophy?
>President Nixon: He is a doctor of brains.
<Chairman Mao: What about asking him to be the main speaker today?
>President Nixon: He is an expert in philosophy.
>Dr. Kissinger: I used to assign the Chairman’s collective writings to my classes at Harvard.
<Chairman Mao: Those writings of mine aren’t anything. There is nothing instructive in what I wrote.Mao BTFO by Mao. lMao.
>President Nixon: The Chairman’s writings moved a nation and have changed the world.
<Chairman Mao: I haven’t been able to change it. I’ve only been able to change a few places in the vicinity of Peking.<Our common old friend, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, doesn’t approve of this. He calls us Communist bandits. He recently issued a speech. Have you seen it?
>President Nixon: Chiang Kai-shek calls the Chairman a bandit. What does the Chairman call Chiang Kai-shek?
<Prime Minister Chou: Generally speaking we call them Chiang Kai-shek’s clique. In the newspapers sometimes we call him a bandit; we are also called bandits in turn. Anyway, we abuse each other.
<Chairman Mao: Actually, the history of our friendship with him is much longer than the history of your friendship with him.
>President Nixon: Yes, I know.
<Chairman Mao: We two must not monopolize the whole show. It won’t do if we don’t let Dr. Kissinger have a say. You have been famous about your trips to China.
>Dr. Kissinger: It was the President who set the direction and worked out the plan.
>President Nixon: He is a very wise assistant to say it that way. (Mao and Chou laugh.)
<Chairman Mao: He is praising you, saying you are clever in doing so.
>President Nixon: He doesn’t look like a secret agent. He is the only man in captivity who could go to Paris 12 times and Peking once and no one knew it, except possibly a couple of pretty girls. (Chou laughs.)
>Dr. Kissinger: They didn’t know it; I used it as a cover.
<Chairman Mao: In Paris?
>President Nixon: Anyone who uses pretty girls as a cover must be the greatest diplomat of all time.
<Chairman Mao: So your girls are very often made use of?
>President Nixon: His girls, not mine. It would get me into great trouble if I used girls as a cover.
<Prime Minister Chou: (laughs) Especially during elections. (Kissinger laughs.) Dr. Kissinger doesn’t run for President because he wasn’t born a citizen of the United States.
>Dr. Kissinger: Miss Tang is eligible to be President of the United States.
>President Nixon: She would be the first woman President. There’s our candidate.
<Chairman Mao: It would be very dangerous if you have such a candidate. But let us speak the truth. As for the Democratic Party, if they come into office again, we cannot avoid contacting them.
>President Nixon: We understand. We will hope that we don’t give you that problem.
<Chairman Mao: Those questions are not questions to be discussed in my place. They should be discussed with the Premier. I discuss the philosophical questions. That is to say, I voted for you during your election. There is an American here called Mr. Frank Coe, and he wrote an article precisely at the time when your country was in havoc, during your last electoral campaign. He said you were going to be elected President. I appreciated that article very much. But now he is against the visit.Election fraud!
>President Nixon: When the Chairman says he voted for me, he voted for the lesser of two evils.
<Chairman Mao: I like rightists. People say you are rightists, that the Republican Party is to the right, that Prime Minister Heath is also to the right.I like rightists.
>President Nixon: And General De Gaulle.
<Chairman Mao: De Gaulle is a different question. They also say the Christian Democratic Party of West Germany is also to the right. I am comparatively happy when these people on the right come into power.
>President Nixon: I think the important thing to note is that in America, at least at this time, those on the right can do what those on the left talk about.
>Dr. Kissinger: There is another point, Mr. President. Those on the left are pro-Soviet and would not encourage a move toward the People’s Republic, and in fact criticize you on those grounds.
<Chairman Mao: Exactly that. Some are opposing you. In our country also there is a reactionary group which is opposed to our contact with you. The result was that they got on an airplane and fled abroad. >>2597389<Chairman Mao: Do you have anything to say, Doctor?
>Dr. Kissinger: Mr. Chairman, the world situation has also changed dramatically during that period. We’ve had to learn a great deal. We thought all socialist/communist states were the same phenomenon. We didn’t understand until the President came into office the different nature of revolution in China and the way revolution had developed in other socialist states.
>President Nixon: Mr. Chairman, I am aware of the fact that over a period of years my position with regard to the People’s Republic was one that the Chairman and Prime Minister totally disagreed with. What brings us together is a recognition of a new situation in the world and a recognition on our part that what is important is not a nation’s internal political philosophy. What is important is its policy toward the rest of the world and toward us. That is why—this point I think can be said to be honest—we have differences. The Prime Minister and Dr. Kissinger discussed these differences.>It also should be said—looking at the two great powers, the United States and China—we know China doesn’t threaten the territory of the United States; I think you know the United States has no territorial designs on China. We know China doesn’t want to dominate the United States. We believe you too realize the United States doesn’t want to dominate the world. Also—maybe you don’t believe this, but I do— neither China nor the United States, both great nations, want to dominate the world. Because our attitudes are the same on these two issues, we don’t threaten each others’ territories.well_that_was_a_lie.gif
>Therefore, we can find common ground, despite our differences, to build a world structure in which both can be safe to develop in our own ways on our own roads. That cannot be said about some other nations in the world.
<Chairman Mao: Neither do we threaten Japan or South Korea.
>President Nixon: Nor any country. Nor do we.
<Chairman Mao: (Checking the time with Chou) Do you think we have covered enough today?
>President Nixon: Yes. I would like to say as we finish, Mr. Chairman, we know you and the Prime Minister have taken great risks in inviting us here. For us also it was a difficult decision. But having read some of the Chairman’s statements, I know he is one who sees when an opportunity comes, that you must seize the hour and seize the day.>I would also like to say in a personal sense—and this to you Mr. Prime Minister—you do not know me. Since you do not know me, you shouldn’t trust me. You will find I never say something I cannot do. And I always will do more than I can say. On this basis I want to have frank talks with the Chairman and, of course, with the Prime Minister.
<Chairman Mao: (Pointing to Dr. Kissinger) “Seize the hour and seize the day.” I think that, generally speaking, people like me sound a lot of big cannons. (Chou laughs.) That is, things like “the whole world should unite and defeat imperialism, revisionism, and all reactionaries, and establish socialism.”
>President Nixon: Like me. And bandits.
<Chairman Mao: But perhaps you as an individual may not be among those to be overthrown. They say that he (Dr. Kissinger) is also among those not to be overthrown personally. And if all of you are overthrown we wouldn’t have any more friends left.
>President Nixon: Mr. Chairman, the chairman’s life is well-known to all of us. He came from a very poor family to the top of the most populous nation in the world, a great nation.>My background is not so well known. I also came from a very poor family, and to the top of a very great nation. History has brought us together. The question is whether we, with different philosophies, but both with feet on the ground, and having come from the people, can make a breakthrough that will serve not just China and America, but the whole world in the years ahead. And that is why we are here.And it did didn't it?
<Chairman Mao: Your book, The Six Crises, is not a bad book.Never even heard of it before.
>President Nixon: He (Mao) reads too much.They're both so self-deprecating and cute.
<Chairman Mao: Too little. I don’t know much about the United States. I must ask you to send some teachers here, mainly teachers of history and geography.
>President Nixon: That’s good, the best. >>2597383The math is pretty on point, but i’m also not seeing it lead to the conclusion that majority of Americans benefit from imperialism, or that the material conditions of the majority of Americans are giving them material reasons to oppose communism. There is a significant bourgeoisie population problem in America to be sure, but not to the degree that it has overtaken the American proletariat in numbers.
>>2597401Damn
FBoy got that psychiatric medication stack zombie stare in that photo. Probably on SSRIs and anti-psychotics and mood stabilizers.
>>2597384i see the trolling has continued
>>2597384>private property is proletarian in Communismyou are revisionist as i have already demonstrated in the part of my post you deliberately ignored.
In Principles of Communism, Section 7, Engels says:
>the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general. Source:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htmIn Karl Marx's Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Manuscript 1, in the section titled Rent of Land, Marx says:
>At the same time, association restores man's intimate links to the land in a rational way, no longer mediated by serfdom, lordship, and an imbecile mystique of property. This is because the earth ceases to be an object of barter, and through free labor and free employment once again becomes authentic, personal property for man.Source:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/epm/1st.htm >>2597384What a legend. He reads books just to troll commies
>>2597399why did you post my "3 lawyers" picture? I don't see the connection.
>>2597400>i’m also not seeing it lead to the conclusion that majority of Americans benefit from imperialismThat's because you are an ignorant retard who refuses to read the books we keep posting for you.
>>2597400When combined with the bourgeoisie, they are a plurality of Americans. Consider, America has a HUGE lumpen population. Several million at least.
>>2597409Was he an incel? Maybe like Eliot Rodger or something. Not even fame and fortune may help. Damn
>>2597383>there are 33 million small business owners, Most small businesses can't afford to hire employees. It's often just the proprietor. If you try to sell wax candles on amazon you become one of these "small business owners."
>10 million landlords,How many of these landlords have over leveraged mortgages that will completely fall apart once there is a market crash?
>16.5 million self-employed. Most gig work and temporary contracts are not very stable or lucrative. These people are employees in all but name but can be dropped at any point and payment avoided.
I'm not going to say all these people are on the same level as poor proles but almost all of them are not even close to rich and on very shaky financial ground. A single good market crash will wipe most of them out.
>>2597414He had a drug problem. Went to rehab various times
>>2597404You are completely wrong. Stop responding and Read Communist Manifesto.
>Communism is defined not by abolishing property in general, but by abolishing bourgeois property.This means there is proletarian private property in Communism. You are the troll. That is why all Communist States enshrine proletarian private property in law.
>>2597418
>This means there is proletarian property in Communism. You are the troll.
you said proletarian PRIVATE property. Marx is talking about PERSONAL property. Your toothbrush is not PRIVATE property.
Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, none of these use the term "proletarian private property" and neither do the AES constitutions you point to. You are trolling.
>>2597417I am talking about their relation to the means of production, thereby their class, rather than their wealth alone.
Please try to keep up. These people are petty bourgeoisie, not bourgeoisie. There is a difference.
>>2597422see
>>2597423 since you were sneaky and re-wrote your trollpost.
>>2597423The constitutions of Communist States use term PRIVATE PROPERTY, including civil law lenin helped draft.
In Communism, proletarians must own more than petty "personal" toothbrushes. 1922 Lenin drafted civil code say proletarians may own valuables, buildings, tools, etc., as private property. You are revisionist who thinks Communism is poverty
>>2597430idk, i'm hesitant to watch it
>>2597432>You are revisionist who thinks Communism is povertywhere did I say that, liar? "Proletarian private property" is not a term used either by your AES constitutions or by Marx, Engels, and Lenin.
Engels says:
>the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general. so YOU are revisionist
jannies deleted my TWist anti-American thread because it hurt their feefees
>>2597438there's no point in replying to you since the jannies will nuke my ass again
>>2597424>I am talking about their relation to the means of production, thereby their class,Most these people don't have any employees at all so they aren't even petty bourgeoisie. Being a "small business owner" doesn't mean much when it might costs only $50 to register as one depending on the state.
>>2597437I just don't understand the focus on Americans when the European working class seems far better off.
>>2597448I really don't care what these people are saying.
>>2597018>There's a drone assassination in this novel set in the 2020s and he made a dark, self-deprecating joke about his forecasting, like he should've killed more people with the drones in the novel.Interesting, maybe I'll check it out. I love reading old sci-fi even though it's so outdated with the technology they imagined. Like reading PKD books and he's talking about interplanetary ships that operate on tape reels.
At first I thought you meant like he literally killed a guy with a drone but then I looked him up and figured he's too hold for that. It's crazy thinking we just live with all these people around us everywhere who killed a lot of people. I used to go to this butcher shop where the owner was a former Apache gunner. Probably has a kill count close to Prince Harry's.
I met two vets who told me they killed babies. One guy who served in Iraq and accidentally killed a woman and child with a grenade while they were clearing a house of insurgents. He also said he used to go undercover as an Arab, he was Mexican or something, with a laser target designator to call in airstrikes, so I'm sure he killed a lot more people that way, I guess indirectly. Looked it up and this is what it's called:
>Special Operations Low Visibility (SO-LV): Some units operated in "civilianized" roles, wearing local clothing or non-standard uniforms to blend in with the population while conducting high-value target (HVT) tracking or gathering intelligence.Also met this Vietnam vet, he was like a life long heroin addict, was trying to get clean at the point I met him, he didn't tell me much about his Vietnam experience, but he tearfully told me: "Anon, I killed babies. We used to just blindfire into the jungle from the river boats with the machine gun." Junkies do tell a lot of tall tales but I don't know why someone would invent that about themself.
>>2597458Slaughter house 5 blew my mind so ill check it out
>>2597458>>2597460Vonnegut is for underage teens, not suitable for someone 16+ kek
>>2597462Ok then what's a good hardcore 18+ adult read ?
>>2597462Well i wasted my adolesences and im a psycologically stunted faliure does that count
>>2597439>i insist you're wrong but i can't say whyyeah we know
>>2597469>>2597465That anon is just retarded. I'm sure he's just salty about Vonnegut personally for whatever he thinks Vonnegut's politics are. Is he going to say he's read any Vonnegut book besides Slaughterhouse 5 maybe? He's just talking out his ass. He probably doesn't even read novels.
>>2597470The jannies did nuke his last comment. I thought that was weird.
>>2597445he had 4 wives after all
Wife 1: Yang Kaihui (1920 - 1930)
Marriage duration: 1920–1930 (until her death)
Mao's age at marriage: 27
Yang Kaihui's age at marriage: 17
Age difference: 10 years
Children:
Mao Anhong (son, born 1921)
Mao Anying (son, born 1922)
Mao Anlong (son, born 1925)
Wife 2: He Zizhen (1930 - 1937)
Marriage duration: 1930–1937 (though separated before her death)
Mao's age at marriage: 37
He Zizhen's age at marriage: 20
Age difference: 17 years
Children:
Mao Anqing (son, born 1926)
Mao Anlong (son, born 1931)
Mao Anying (son, born 1932)
Mao Anmin (daughter, born 1934)
Wife 3: Jiang Qing (1938 - 1976)
Marriage duration: 1938–1976 (Mao’s death)
Mao's age at marriage: 45
Jiang Qing's age at marriage: 26
Age difference: 19 years
Children:
Li Na (daughter, born 1940)
Wife 4: Marriage duration: 1976 (only for a short time before his death)
Mao's age at marriage: 82
Li Min's age at marriage: 28
Age difference: 54 years
No Children
>>2597473he trolls daily. every post he makes is already ban evasion.
>>2597456Now consider that these HVTs were violently taken and tortured on evidence so flimsy that even the US Army has admitted that 90% of them were innocent. Hundreds of thousands were taken throughout the years.
>>2597456Apache pilots develop schizophrenia and they change theird identities after service like in witness protection program.
One man angry at the world alone, even with all the will in the world cannot win. There are a handful of activists right now who are going to die for their hunger strikes. The governments of capital will not report on this, they will not speak on this, they will not recognize the humanity of those starving themselves. The system does not see morals, nor ethics, nor anything really, aside from mass violence and unimaginable struggle for those who keep the human-paste machine moving. We must move to rapidly organize those who are willing to stand on the side of the working class, on the side of revolution. We must be willing to take risks beyond risks, we must be willing to use all of our will and then some to cultivate the discipline required of a revolutionary. We must seek power, respect and the financial ends that come with these traits, and we must redirect them towards the most powerless of the class society. We must create a vision of the future that enables true revolutionary praxis, and we must be willing to correct our mistakes, no matter how personal.
>>2597436Wrong. Marx is talking about bourgeois private property, not private property generally. You say Communism has no private property. You are wrong. To say there is "personal" property" but no proletarian private property in Communism is to say proletarian owns nothing but a toothbrush. Again, read Communist Manifesto.
>Communism is defined not by abolishing property in general, but by abolishing bourgeois property.To negate the socialist private property relations of direct social products and to attempt to abolish private property relations prematurely is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of private property relations and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore incorrect.” Socialist private property relations must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between socialist industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.
In DOTP there will private property, but it will exist only to supressed, or something. It will be like blueballing porkies and not letting them have capital for capital accumulation
>>2597496TWister or not (I'm not), Europeans are vassals of the USA. The Great Satan is America and nothing will change that. Not Europe. Not Israel.
>>2597497 (me)
Because it is already workers state property.
>>2597456William keeps winning
1. Next King
2. Mich hotter wife
3. No Netflix/Oprah cringe
All while being bald
>>2597494>proletarian private propertynot a term, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin used.
Engels says:
>the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general. so YOU are revisionist
you have no counter argument. you just keep repeating oxymoronic term "proletarian private property" which you made up in order to troll. Your AES constitutions don't even use that term.
>>2597389>Those writings of mine aren’t anything. There is nothing instructive in what I wrote.why was he so cool and swag
>>2597390I badly need the ICP's
invariant opinion on this.
>>2597320>read article 24 of Communist Korea constitution https://dprknotes.home.blog/2024/02/24/socialist-constitution-of-the-democratic-peoples-republic-of-korea-2023/
<ARTICLE 24. Private property is the property for the private and consumptive purposes of the workers.
<The private property of the workers is obtained through socialist distribution according to work and additional benefits from the state and society.
<Products that came from kitchen gardens and other private sidelines of the residents and income earned through other legal economic activities are also under private property.
<The state protects private property and guarantees the right to inherit them by law.Yep that's going in the Dengism Elder Scroll
>>2597505Because he was grounded in nothing at all. Mao was the original vibes-whore.
>>2597507Article 24 of DPRK constitution
<The state protects private property and guarantees the right to inherit them by law.Chapter 2 of Communist Manifesto
<Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat […] Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.….damn….
ve must prepare for an angrier vorld
>>2597511bro failed at everything post civil war
>>2597524he went senile. the ideal age of a political leader is 30-60 I think.
>>2597450>I just don't understand the focus on Americans when the European working class seems far better off.This is very simple. We cut the head off the snake, not the tail. Imperialism is not about who has free healthcare and who does not. To think such is vulgar, amerikan way of thought. Imperialism is about oppression and exploitation of nations by another, which amerikans are principally responsible for as amerikans exploit and oppress Europeans as well as the rest of their empire. Europeans are classic colonialists, but amerikans are settler-colonialist. amerikans are therefore orders of magnitudes more genocidal. amerikans have domestic neocolonial system, Europeans do not. Europeans have proletarian history, amerikans do not. That is why amerikans do not have healthcare and why they do not deserve more treats.
>>2597504All Communist constitutions use term or synonym of "private property," which under socialist production takes on proletarian characteristics. Engels refers to capitalist private property, not proletarian private property.
The great leap forward objectively worked in benefiting China as a whole it was just ruined by genuinely bizarre programs.
>>2597030Bear with me. I'll tie it back to America eventually. A "civilizational state" refers to a concept where a nation or political entity identifies itself primarily as the heir or custodian of a particular civilization, rather than being defined strictly by modern nation-state principles like territorial boundaries, democratic institutions, or ethnic homogeneity. The term emphasizes the continuity of cultural, historical, and philosophical traditions that transcend modern political systems. In some cases, civilizational states arise as a counterpoint to the dominance of Western models of governance, which are rooted in Enlightenment ideas like liberal democracy, individual rights, and capitalism. For example, China is sometimes described as a "civilizational state" because it views itself as the successor to a long history of Chinese civilization and sees its political system as a modern adaptation of historical Chinese traditions.
So if "socialism with Chinese characteristics" emphasizes China's existence as a "civilization state," then what would a hypothetical "Socialism with American characteristics" look like? Can such a thing even exist in a settler colony which is not a civilizational state? Could the US develop a version of socialism that is uniquely "American?" Theoretically, it could, but it would face very different challenges from China. The US has its own rich history, but it also has a very different set of political, economic, and social structures.
The burger reich was built on a colonial project, rooted in settler colonialism, and based on ideas like individual liberty, capitalism, and the so-called "American Dream." These values (capitalism, individualism, democracy) are deeply embedded in American national identity. A socialist vision would need to grapple with these ideas and reframe them to fit a framework of proletarian association, proletarian supremacy, and proletarian revolution.
Unlike China, which has a long history of imperial unity and a culturally continuous state, the US is a relatively young settler society built on the displacement of Indigenous peoples and the forced labor of enslaved Africans. This creates a tension in trying to establish a "civilizational" narrative grounded in socialism, especially if one recognizes the history of colonialism, slavery, and genocide as part of the foundation of the American state.
American culture is not only deeply individualistic, but it is also strongly influenced by Protestantism, the legacy of Manifest Destiny, and the idea of the frontier. A socialism tailored to "American characteristics" would have to engage with these themes. Would it incorporate the American ideal of "self-reliance" into a socialist framework, or would it reject those ideals in favor of more collectivist values?
For example, there might be an emphasis on localism, self-governance, and decentralized structures (which are sometimes seen in certain strands of American socialism, like those influenced by agrarianism or cooperativism). American socialism could potentially reframe the "pioneering" spirit of the nation into a collective effort to "rebuild" society in a way that moves beyond capitalist exploitation and imperialism.
The notion of "civilizational" continuity is trickier in a settler colony. A settler colonial state, like the US, is one built on the dispossession of indigenous peoples and the establishment of a new social order (largely for settlers of European origin). In the case of American socialism, any attempt to build a "civilizational" state would have to reckon with the deep contradictions inherent in this history.
For example, could "American socialism" fully reject the colonial project that the US is founded upon? It would have to seriously reckon with questions of indigenous sovereignty, the history of African slavery, and the ongoing struggles of marginalized groups. "Socialism with American characteristics" could, in theory, involve a reimagining of what "America" means, based on decolonization and reparations.
If we were to imagine such a thing, a "socialism with American characteristics" might look like:
>Decolonization and reparations>Decentralized, Grassroots PROLETARIAN Democracy>Integration of Indigenous sovereignty>ecology>An egalitarian society based on proletarian negative freedom (freedom from poverty as a collective responsibility) instead of the existing bourgeois positive freedom (freedom to exploit others as an individual right) >>2597524Developing nuclear weapons, thermal-nuclear weapons, rocketary and ICBM missiles are nothing?
>>2597553>decentralised radlib retardationNo thanks
>>2597556Was commodity production abolished?
>>2597558Turning an agarian state into one of the heavy industry juggernauts is a great feat in its own, the same case as Soviet Union/Russia
>>2597558You are revisionist Trotskyite. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production prematurely is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore incorrect.” (4) Socialist commodity production must not only be retained, but must also be developed to consolidate the economic link between China’s industry and agriculture and between urban and rural areas in order to promote the development of socialist construction.
Reminder that post-Qing China could have easily picked either of the economic systems
Chinese people are known for their artisan skill and are entrepreneurial minded (proto-capitalism)
Chinese people receive communal teachings from Confucianism (proto-communism)
China is winning not because they're leftist, but because they're China
>>2597561>>2597560You make interesting points but my learned comrades of the ICP disagree. They insist that commodity production cannot be tolerated under any circumstances.
>>2597563> …we started talking about economicsAs one does
>>2597562I don't care as long as capitalists, proto-capitalists and other rightoids are high on copium because they are butthurt and losing
Thailand has stopped fuel shipments to Laos because apparently the Laotians are supporting the Cambodians with this fuel.
>>2597564>They insist that commodity production cannot be tolerated under any circumstances.Correct
>>2597529>Engels refers to capitalist private property, not proletarian private property.Let's read it again, shall we?
<the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general. Source:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htmHe says private property IN GENERAL, not simply "capitalist private property." There is no "proletarian private property" distinction ever made in the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Stalin, nor in the AES constitutions you refer to. It is a term YOU made up.
What else is said in this work?
<In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand. Anything else?
<Private property has not always existed. When, towards the end of the Middle Ages, there arose a new mode of production which could not be carried on under the then existing feudal and guild forms of property, this manufacture, which had outgrown the old property relations, created a new property form, private property. And for manufacture and the earliest stage of development of big industry, private property was the only possible property form; the social order based on it was the only possible social order. What else?
<And finally, these mighty and easily extended forces of production have so far outgrown private property and the bourgeoisie, that they threaten at any moment to unleash the most violent disturbances of the social order. Now, under these conditions, the abolition of private property has become not only possible but absolutely necessary. For Engels, private property simply refers to a form of property existing
under capitalism.There is no "proletarian private property." It is an oxymoronic invention you created in order to mislead, miseducate, and troll. It is barely more subtle than months ago when you were saying things like "proletarian CEOs."
>>2597584you are both right and wrong.
all individual property is private property,
yet communism is about abolishing property relations.
marx in the 1844 manuscripts has a lockean view of property, as deriving from labour. this is its power of alienation, which splits private possession between classes, and this sets the order of production. the idea of communism is to abolish the concept of labour (as socially mediated by exchange, e.g. "value") and to re-incorporate it into nature (e.g. to disalienate labour). this also requires abolishing private property by collective ownership. proudhon had a similar notion with his distinction between "property" (an indirect legal claim to something) and "possession" (the direct use of a thing). proudhon wanted to abolish property yet wanted to preserve possession.
>>2597596Smith Anon SUMMONED
>>2597594wow i hate public transit and atheism and health care because you drew it as the soyjak. thanks for this insightful soundless webm you downloaded from 4klan.
>>2597563the guy shouldn't have taken the wingspars out tbh. got people killed. 7 years is lucky.
>>2597601it's funny cmon now
>>2597605What does Randy Fine think about this? That's what's most important.
>>2597605This is actually what them being happy looks like. Another tragedy to milk sympathy and USA taxdollars.
>>2597594I find the "we don't do that in Germany" meme really funny because they do that to a tee. They really fucking do. They're so autistic about it:
>In Germany we don't do that, in Germany we do thisGermans are all autistic ass motherfuckers I think.
T. has German relatives, not like it's a huge sample size but it's my impression.
They are funny unlike the reputation, but they have this really autistic obsession about rules and regulations and all that.
My German relative is a full on schizophrenic. They thought the government was secretly spying on them, but they thought they were going to fill out all the right paperwork and then the government was going to be forced to reveal this secret spying. I can't put the two together in my mind.
From "Molotov Remembers"
Now let me quote from Trotsky: “Is it conceivable that European socialism would start to decay within the next forty or fifty years and that the proletariat would be incapable of achieving the revolution?” Fifty years have already elapsed. There lies one of his major blunders.
“In what sense does my theoretical or political responsibility as a communist oblige me to adopt the premise that the European proletariat may fail to seize power within the next forty or fifty years…?”
And they did fail to seize it!
“I maintain that I have no theoretical or political grounds to think it will be easier for us with the peasantry to build socialism than it will be for the European proletariat to seize power.”
Here is my marginal note. “The thesis has no theoretical grounding.”
Back to Trotsky: “Even Stalin in 1924 wrote that the efforts of one country, a peasant country, are insufficient for the building of socialism….”
In February 1924 it was stated that it was possible to begin socialist production, but impossible fully to construct socialism in one country.
On this point Trotsky seemed to hold Marxist views of a sort.
He very skillfully pits Marxism against Marxism; that’s it in a nutshell.
Some kind of line of demarcation must be drawn between socialism and communism.
That goes without saying. The line is already sharply drawn. Under communism there is no state, while Stalin allowed for the existence of the state under communism. That is absurd from the point of view of Leninism. Stalin said, under communism there should be no state, but if capitalist encirclement remains…
There will be an army and state apparatus.
What kind of communism is that? Good housing, good living conditions, everything provided for—this is enough from the philistine’s point of view.
If all the poor live more or less well, they say, that means we already have socialism, not capitalism. But this in itself is not complete socialism….
Marx holds that in a society based on collectivist principles, producers will not engage in exchange of their commodities. There will be no trade. Will they then dump their goods into a garbage pit? No, they will get along without trade, without commodity-money relations. Here you have socialism.
In that case, what distinguishes communism from socialism?
A lot. The point, you see, is this. When classes do not exist, when there are no money-commodity relations, and the level of production is still not high enough so that each receives according to his needs…
To fully satisfy his needs?
No, not fully, but for the most part. Generally speaking, maximum satisfaction of human needs will never be achieved. Stalin’s assertion that it would be is empty, a banality so to speak. What does maximum satisfaction of needs mean? Everyone gets himself a piano? everyone gets himself an automobile? That’s absurd. Socialism means satisfaction of all basic needs, not maximum satisfaction. Everyone will have the right to use publicly owned facilities. Along with the other former ministers—and not only ministers—I will have my meals at a public dining facility. I pay sixty rubles per month and take my meals. Having completed one hundred work days, you would be entitled to a certain remuneration. Marx says that everyone will be paid according to the number of days worked. If you have produced a hundred pairs of shoes, for example, within a hundred days, you are allowed to take home a pair of shoes and other products you need equivalent to the remaining ninety-nine pairs of shoes.
What kind of accounting would be practiced? Socialism is accounting.
The most rigorous, rigorous accounting. Communism is a higher stage than socialism, because there will be such abundance that it will be possible to eliminate the distinction between physical and intellectual labor as well as to eliminate social classes. It will also be possible to eliminate the distinction between town and country, but differences in standards of living will remain.
If class distinctions are eliminated, then how is it that a distinction between town and country remains?
Engels said there will be no peasantry—mountain folk will live under different conditions, yet they might not want to live in the valley. They will have their choice. To level everything and everyone is neither possible nor necessary, and no one will stand in the way of your preference in this regard.
If you want to live in a village, fine. But you will have fewer cultural amenities at your disposal. You will have fewer theatres to attend. But it’s possible you will have a television set and access to a cinema.
And human relations will be different.
Yes, different. This may please some and displease others, as it were. To eliminate the differences in social relations will of course take some time. They cannot be completely eliminated at a stroke, which is all the more true of the difference between intellectual and physical labor.
Material abundance will not be achieved overnight. Probably rationing would still be practiced. But then, under socialism, Lenin said, no official will be paid a higher wage than the average worker’s. None of the officials, including the general secretary of the party and the chairman of the Council of Ministers, should receive compensation higher than that of the average worker. This principle was practiced by the Paris Commune. But do we?
No, we cover up unfinished business. But the chief thing is that it is impossible to overcome bureaucratism so long as some get a hundred rubles per month while others get a thousand rubles per month….
Organization can be achieved only by the working class, but infusion of the ideology of socialism is the mission of scientifically educated people, that is, the intelligentsia.
Was calling the intelligentsia a social stratum correct?
Correct. If not, then what is it?
Well, this term sounds demeaning.
Well, social layer, stratum. You gain nothing by calling it a class. Lenin demanded the abolition of classes.
The West asks, haven’t the Bolsheviks renounced world communism?
Oh, Lord! When we were a weak power such talk did not scare us. What do we have to be scared of now? Let them talk. We have renounced nothing, we are just a bit confused.
…Now we have a powerful country and a commonwealth of socialist states. We have nothing and no one to fear but our own laxity, indolence, and indiscipline, which must be combated in order to strengthen the cause of socialism.
Life has grown more complex. But in the past life was more difficult, much more difficult.
It’s up to you to look into things thoroughly. You are young, and I’m too old for that. Seeing and understanding things is of vital importance. Unless you do that, you will proceed blindfolded and will be pulled from one side to another.
What can serve to replace material incentives under socialism? I disagree with Zlobin’s work crew being glorified. He’s merely a good subcontractor, and there were lots of them under the tsar!
In my essay I put forward six substitutes for material incentives under socialism.
Competent and scientific planning of production.
Socialist competition.
Selection of personnel.
Social orientation—all organizations should work toward a single
common goal.
International socialist economic integration.
The party’s ideological education—covering all internal and external
policies.
>>2597615>They thought the government was secretly spying on them, but they thought they were going to fill out all the right paperwork and then the government was going to be forced to reveal this secret spying. I can't put the two together in my mind.I mean like they she that German government was nefarious enough to be secretly spying on her, but at the same time, she never stopped putting absolute faith in le system.
>>2597615>Germans are all autistic ass motherfuckers I think.Nope they have ADHD like rest of southern Europe.
>>2597619>Ehrendeutsch !Who? Me? She's German by blood and birth.
>>2597620>Nope they have ADHD like rest of southern Europe.Germany is in central Europe. Speaking of ADHD and autism, it seems like the psychiatric industry is now starting to always put those diagnoses together. I've dated and seen so many women online who are diagnosed both ADHD and autistic. Maybe OCD is the better term? Forget whatever meme diagnoses I said, I explained my view of them and their relation to their rules and order and all that.
>>2597615I had an ex who was distantly german heritage in the USA but on both sides and kind of rich, and man she fucking LOVED rules
>>2597623>>2597615Some other observations about Germans, met this other lady in America who was going to a prestigous university here studying in Game Theory, my friend, who was basically a hobo picked her up at the train station. She was telling us about how she went on trips to whatever third world shitholes and they even payed some people to live with them in their hovel for a week. My brother also dated a German student in college who did the same thing. I realized the German girl my friend picked up, we were just another stop on her slum tour.
My German relatives also love traveling all the time to third world shitholes.
>>2597623you are so naive. Only Ehrendeutsch exist anymore. By blood, they are all poles. Their ehren-ship is then determined by their score on the Autism-Lumpenism axis. More autistic = ehrendeutsch, more lumpen = polak
>>2597623>Germany is in central Europe. Nope. Its Southern Europe and North Africa starts from Alps. Denmark is Central Europe.
Yurop
>>2597533Mao didn't do that. Sino soviet split, great leap forward and cultural revolution delayed it if anything.
>>2597556Fair point. Of course if India also did it then maybe it doesn't speak to Mao's leadership in particular.
>>2597629I don't completely get it, but I dig your autistic ass humor. Ehrendeutsch!
>>2597626> this other lady in America who was going to a prestigious university here studying in Game Theory, my friend, who was basically a hobo picked her up at the train station. She was telling us about how she went on trips to whatever third world shitholes and they even payed some people to live with them in their hovel for a week. >I realized the German girl my friend picked up, we were just another stop on her slum tour.She also offered to my hobo friend to come live with her in Germany. My father's ex-wife also apparently offered to let me come live with her too. Very generous people.
>>2597641Also heard them say, I forget which one about how German guys SUCK! Their women seem to hate German men. I forget which one said that. I don't know what was their reason either.
!!MODS!! ADD MORE FLAGS
IF IRRELEVANT LILIPUT LIKE DSA AND CPUSA HAVE THEIR OWN FLAGS, LA FRANCE INSOUMISE DESERVES ITS OWN FLAG (it's literally just a 'phi' symbol)
ADD A ZYUGANOV FACE FLAG
ADD A LAROUCHE FACE FLAG
ADD A WAGENKNECHT FLAG
ADD A DENG XIAOPING FLAG (WITH ALL THE DENGIST CULTISTS HERE, THIS IS LONG OVERDUE)
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
>>2597641stop it now, im getting jealous
mfw no German sugar mommy
>>2597665>LAROUCHE FACE FLAGwe already have the maupin flag
>>2597665They won't ever add the ACP flag stop trying, haz
>>2597671I did not mention ACP anywhere
I dont give a shit about that gay ass boy band
>>2597665>IF IRRELEVANT LILIPUT LIKE DSA AND CPUSA I dig the Gulliver's Travels reference but I don't get what you meant. Nobody ever mentions the other islands of the giants and the horse people.
>>2597673I have researched it and found out that people use Liliput as an adjective to mean diminutive and unimportant but that has nothing to do with the actual book. You are all retarded. Liliput was a satire of European society and their senseless wars over trivial shit but go off illiterate.
>Lilliput and Blefuscu were intended as, and understood to be, satirical portraits of the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of France, respectively, as they were in the early 18th century.[13]: 30 Only the internal politics of Lilliput are described in detail; these are parodies of British politics, in which the great central issues of the day are belittled and reduced to unimportance.[13]: 30 [14]
>For instance, the two major political parties of the day were the Whigs and the Tories. The Tories are parodied as the Tramecksan or "High-Heels" (due to their adhesion to the high church party of the Church of England, and their exalted views of royal supremacy), while the Whigs are represented as the Slamecksan or "Low-Heels" (the Whigs inclined toward low church views, and believed in parliamentary supremacy). These issues, generally considered to be of fundamental importance to the constitution of Great Britain, are reduced by Swift to a difference in fashions.[13]: 31
>The Emperor of Lilliput is described as a partisan of the Low-Heels, just as King George I employed only Whigs in his administration; the Emperor's heir is described as having "one of his heels higher than the other", which describes the encouragement by the Prince of Wales (the future George II) of the political opposition during his father's life.[13]: 31
>The novel further describes an intra-Lilliputian quarrel over the practice of breaking eggs. Traditionally, Lilliputians broke boiled eggs on the larger end; a few generations ago, an Emperor of Lilliput, the Present Emperor's great-grandfather, had decreed that all eggs be broken on the smaller end after his son cut himself breaking the egg on the larger end. The differences between Big-Endians (those who broke their eggs at the larger end) and Little-Endians had given rise to "six rebellions … wherein one Emperor lost his life, and another his crown". The Lilliputian religion says auygh should be broken on the convenient end, which is now interpreted by the Lilliputians as the smaller end. The Big-Endians gained favour in Blefuscu. Game of telephone shit is very funny.
>>2597673Liliputin hehehehehehehe
>>2597665There's already a dengist flag anon <3
>>2597680> says auyghI love how Zankaria has never figured out how to fix the annnnneeee egg word filter thing. It came up a lot when the egg price was an issue. I brought it up to them and they were confounded then and to this day.
>>2597680liliputians actually were tiny though
>>2597684Yeah but they still fucked Gulliver up. There is nothing about them being irrelevant in the book. That meaning has nothing to do with the book.
>>2597685Liliput is just used as 'small' like 'midgets' dood
Why so much autism
>>2597683Lmao
I thought auygh was the word they used in germany during gulivers time lmao
Auygh
Auyghur
A uyghur
Auyghur
>>2597688What does their physical size have to do with anything? So the poster I responded to was saying that the CPUSA and DSA are all physically short midgets?
>>2597690Are DSA and CPUSA not small when it comes to membership size and/or electoral influence?
>>2597692But the Lilliputians weren't small in members so it doesn't work there either you ignoramus.
>>2597691Trying hard to deflect the anti-Amerikkkan hatred on the Europeans I see
People of the third world are not stupid, they know America and America alone deserves their vitriol
>>2597693You are clearly German.
>>2597695No, I am an American who actually read Gulliver's Travels unlike you are a tard who uses words without having any idea of their origin or meaning.
>>2597694I am european, so I thought my insight into german culture might be relevant. Im not trying to deflect away from anti America sentiments at all
>>2597697Dog why are you digging yourself deeper? Lilliput is a general world for small things or people. In terms of political parties, being small also makes you fairly irrelevant. English isn't even my first language and this is easy to understand. Why so obtuse?
>>2597702You are objectively wrong tho. Did you read the book?
>>2597697'Liliput' has been used in this manner for many decades (centuries?).
You are acting as if I just pulled this out of my ass 10 minutes ago.
Just accept you did not this use of the word and move one.
>>2597699Understood comrade. Please understand that American chauvinists are trying hard to redirect the well deserved hatred they get on Europeans. That's why I jumped a bit too harshly. Have a good day, a productive week.
>>2597704I don't give a fuck how many illiterate bongs were wrong though you're still objectively wrong.
>>2597703Im objectively correct that lilliputian means small colloquially and that small political parties are usually seen as irrelevant. No I did not read the book, but that doesn't matter, my point stands
>>2596970Sahur!
Prrm Prrm Patapim
Cappuccino Assassino
Shitty ass samsung keyboard i keep making typos in every post i make
Fuck chaebol samsung, i shouldve bought revolutionary xiaomi instead
>>2597705All hatred of amerika is more than well deserved comrade and I understand this place is crawling with chauvinists, but that doesn't mean we should let euroids off the hook either. Especially when they are america's bffs
>>2597711I am sympathetic to Europeans. Americans enslaved them. They are not bffs, they are in a master-slave relationship. And europeans are too old to revolt.
>>2597724UK boomers grow up with the freakiest pop culture imaginable, very cute to see people thinking that they'd blush at seeing an e-catgirl
>>2597714No, because when you use it for a subject where stature does not apply, like a political party, it becomes about size in general
>None of you read the fucking bookWhy are you so autistic about nobody reading Gulliver's Travels lol? Lilliputian is a decently common phrase
>Britishbritishbritishlmao im not british friend
>>2597727I dont give a shit about the catgirl stuff
Im conveying the NATO artillery thingy
>>2597729>No, because when you use it for a subject where stature does not apply, like a political party, it becomes about size in generalBut that has nothing at all to do with the book.
>Why are you so autistic about nobody reading Gulliver's Travels lol? Lilliputian is a decently common phrasewhy are you autistic about making some obscure reference to a book you never read?
>lmao im not british friendBut you learned English from them. So you are either from the Five Eyes or you learned Bonglish from them.
>>2597716>I am sympathetic to EuropeansDont be
>Americans enslaved themThat's not how euroids see it
>They are not bffs, they are in a master-slave relationshipIf it is a master slave relationship, then europe is the head house slave
>>2597732Im the original post you are butthurt about
The word liliput is no longer used only as reference to Guliver, it has become a word like any other.
Do you throw a tantrum everytime an atheist gasps 'OMG' ?
Fuck off to your liberal arts college and wank over your shitty yankee 'literature', do not lecture me about Guliver.
And no Im not British, not Five Eyes or any of that crackker scum
Im a proud mixture of the East and Africa
>>2597737Lol. I know the fuck you are a bong.
>>2597732>But that has nothing at all to do with the book.So? Do you get upset when people use the word robot or nerd as well?
>why are you autistic about making some obscure reference to a book you never read?It's not an obscure reference, it's a commonly understood phrase, even outside the english language
>But you learned English from themI learned it from you guys dumb dumb, not the brits
>>2597733I will be honest with you chief, I always felt bad for house negroes
I'm not gonna pelt tomatoes on them, sorry
>>2597738I get more sun in an afternoon than a bong does in his whole life
>>2597741You're too pure anon, you're ngmi when the revolution comes. But I will hold a silent vigil for you after, when the dust has settled
>>2597740>It's not an obscure reference, it's a commonly understood phrase, even outside the english languageAre you fucking serious? You think a reference to an island in a 1700 novel is a common phrase? It's not. And you are using it wrong.
>I learned it from you guys dumb dumb, not the britsI learned it from you guys dumb dumb, not the britsNobody uses that phrase here you dumb dumb.
>>2597742>I get more sun in an afternoon than a bong does in his whole lifeAustralian or Kiwi.
>>2597744It IS a common phrase. My grandma who can neither write nor read English knows the word 'liliput' lmao.
You are just an uncultured Yankee swine who wasted his youth reading woke radlib garbage instead of useful stuff.
>>2597744I already told you im not from a honky country.
Im a mixture of the East and of Afrika.
>>2597744I mean you faggots are trying to tell me Americans say that, then how did I know you weren't American automatically?
>>2597745What do you mean uncultured? What culture did your bitch cunt grandmother read the book?
>>2597750She never read that book
She cannot read at all, and yet she knows whta liliput means
That's how ubiquitous this word is, Yee Haw Retard
>>2597751>She cannot read at all, and yet she knows whta liliput meansBut she don't. She just knows a minomer from bong english.
>>2597744>Are you fucking serious? You think a reference to an island in a 1700 novel is a common phrase? It was a very popular book at the time lmao, plus it's not really relevant. Are people making a intentional reference to some obscure Czech novel every time they use the word robot? Or referencing charles dickens every time they call somebody a scrooge?
>Nobody uses that phrase here you dumb dumb.Im talking about the english language silly
>>2597753>Im talking about the english language sillyBonglish and American English are different and the bongs talk you wrong you former colonial slaver.
>>2597752She does not speak English at all
The lead in your water broke your brain
>>2597754>colonial slaver.Meant slave. Of course the bongs were the slavers.
>>2597754Says the subhuman who uses the word 'y'all'
>>2597755Wow. Really should take English lessons from your bitch bunt grandmother who doesn't even speak English as well as you.
>>2597754>Bonglish and American English are differenHardly
>>2597756No you were right, my country were also colonial slavers
>>2597759>HardlyThat is true, it is very small differences, that's the beauty of it, but we can always tell which dialect you learned.
>>2597758Ah so you are the son of the revolutionary! How many imperialist cocks did papa have to suck to get his citizenship? Was it a revolutionary sucking at least? What a good house negro you are for yhe yankees!
>>2597760Ah you're crying about liliput just fine
>>2597765
Ask you father, the kitchen boy!
>>2597775
Bitch cry about your IP
You are the one who keeps tracking my posts and you constantly try to doxx me here
Fuck you and fuck your class-traitor father
>>2597778I have no ability to track you at all and if you recognized me from any post, respect. It really has never happened. So are you the 'chagos poster?
>>2597779I also told you before too about how you learned Bonglish if I recall.
>>2597779It's all fun and games, comrade.
My apologies for insulting your old man.
To think you managed to start such a shit show over 'liliput', incredble.
I have to find a girlfriend, I'm becoming too hyper. It is not healthy.
Are you really from Mauritius? People here thought you were making that bullshit up, but I was the only one who believed you.
>>2597783I don't care. It's all good. I shittalk a lot too. I thought you were so me mod doxxing me lol. I know who you are. I guess game recognizes game as we say in American English not Bonglish. I mean I know your father ain't shit by comparison so it's I never felt anything.
>>2596968What a compelling argument. I will certainly start loving the genocidal apartheid state of Israel and your dead fascist husband now
>>2597785Yes, born and raised.
>>2597788You are very smart. I would get you over here if I could. I know you want to be. You should use that brainpower to figure out how to do that instead of trolling this thread. I've talked to a number of third worlders on the language apps who are looking to get out. I told you, I showed you, I get it. Do what you have to do.
>>2597791Honestly America is a good destination. If you can speak any respectable English, and you clearly do, I don't know about verbally, but even without English skills, you can make it here.
>>2597795I mean I work with coworkers that have way less English skills than you and it's all good. We are very accepting here. You can do it.
>>2597788That's cool anon, Mauritius is an interesting place, the nature is really unique. One of my friends as a child was from from there as well. Still, third world island nation, must be rough
>>2597791I am trying to finish my PhD in an AFRICAN university (that's right TW and New Afrikan larpers, I am getting real ancient AFRIKAN wisdom, not from the American Northeast crackkafest), and then I will try to land in the Devil's Lair (Amerikkka or Evropa). If I make it, we're definitely having a beer in a Leftypol reunion.
>>2597795hard af to get visa though
>>2597806it's great if you already got money. But for young people who still have to make a career, it's fucked up. The starting salary for an engineer is like $650 per month and everything is expensive af.
>>2597800I took two doses of covidvax but of different 'brands'. The doc assured me it's not a problem but idk man, my boners ain't that hard ever since…
>>2597816Wish I could be there when they first told him people from some rando island in the Caribbean were worshipping him as the living god jesus returned, I wonder what his reaction was
>>2597818He did visit the Jamaicans. I have long thought that he wouldn't have been smothered with a pillow as I believed to have have gone. I don't particularly care bout these details. Fuck HIM.
>>2597816Worth saying that the 1936 war against Italy was also huge. It was seen as the first true battle of pan-africanism and when he was restored to power in 1941 it gave him literal messiah status.
>>2597814Damn, so your old man was part of THAT generation
May I ask what is your opinion of the Derg and Mengitsu? And dare I ask, what is your opinion of the SOMALIANVOLK?
p.s: nice pics. Whenever I look at the pictures of Indian and African people from that era, they always looked sharper, smarter. We gotta retvrn to that fashion, brothers.
>>2597825I love Rastafarianism because it's weird as hell and a relatively new religion, so I think it's interesting in that way. But yeah fuck that shit tho
>>2597829Rastafarianism is nice for the music but once the OGs start rambling about Babylon, Ezekiel and all that shit I clock out
>>2597828My old man was in the EPRP and fuck Mengistu, he is a fascist retard. Are you fucking kidding? My uncle of the namesake died in the same struggle. This whiteboy wrote a great book about it.
https://www.leftvoice.org/author/ianscotthorst/http://www.freeform.org/music/jazzsupreme/about.htmlhttps://abyotawi.blogspot.com/https://www.amazon.com/Like-Chi-Minh-Guevara-Revolutionary/dp/2491182270Go check his shit out. My dad agrees with his historiography.
If you want I am open to ask my dad anything.
>>2597832But it's cool that when they say babylon they basically mean western imperialism, I think that's neato. Like when the Iranians talk about the Great Satan
>>2597615>I find the "we don't do that in Germany" meme really funny because they do that to a tee. They really fucking do. They're so autistic about it:German efficiency is really a myth, it's more of a protocol nation. Me and my brother were chatting with a German woman recently and my brother recalled visiting as a kid and being sharply corrected (by a waitress) for nodding off at a table during breakfast. Kein schlafen. Then our friend said "yes… we don't do that" and she reminded me of the meme.
>My German relative is a full on schizophrenic. They thought the government was secretly spying on them, but they thought they were going to fill out all the right paperwork and then the government was going to be forced to reveal this secret spying. LMAO
>>2597840>fuck Mengistu, he is a fascist retardCoping Somali or seething Tigray?
>>2597840thanks for the book recc
I have to admit I do not know much about Ethiopia. All I know is the revolutionaries yeeted Haile Selassie out, Mengitsu then fucked over the other revolutionaries and consolidated power, Ogaden war, issues with Tigray and other minorities etc.
I have spent a lot of time in South Africa and many people have a rather confused vibes-based understanding of history. Where they put portraits of old 'ML' African leaders (Nyerere, Machel etc) and Haile Selassie side by side. As if the only requirement to be glorified is to be African, regardless if you are monarchist, fascist, communist, liberal etc.
>>2597848He just told you his dad was part of the EPRP dawg.
>>2597844>My German relative is a full on schizophrenic. They thought the government was secretly spying on them, but they thought they were going to fill out all the right paperwork and then the government was going to be forced to reveal this secret spying. >LMAOI wish it was funny, but it's really not. I talk to oner of her traumatized daughters about how she is always screaming at the walls(and the embedded microphones) when she is forced to be their because of custody agreements or whatever. It is terrible. I have tried to humor her for years and I just recently started talking to her daughter a few months ago and it changed my whole perspective. Her daughter is starting to self harm and become suicidal over this shit.
>>2597840Do you have good articles or videos which go into the disagreements between the Derg and the EPRP in the build-up to the Red Terror?
I understand that they were united more or less in ousting HIM. What caused the violent split then?
>all this arguing about the word “lilliput”
You are all about to lilliput me in an early grave
>>2597832>>2597843Yeah, fr. Babylon's just supposed to reference the Modern west and how sick and deranged it is compared to how any natural civilization should function in a more communal way. Ezekiel however Im unsure of.
>>2597852Mengistu killed the original head of the Derg who was an Eritrean general of Selassie. The Derg originally voted this Eritrean general in charge. This Eritrean general was also the one who raised Mengistu from his lowly rank and then he killed him after an a failed assassination attempt.
I feel tired to look it up.
>>2597857You give the rastas too much credit
They would bitch about a socialist govt being Babylon as well because they'd have to lift their stoner asses and WORK
>>2597852>>2597858I mean I gave you already the Ian Scott Hurst links. Read his shit. I think I linked to his blog which has a lot of EPRP pamphlets in it.
https://xcancel.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/2000227476237173059#m
>The attack at a Hanukkah celebration in Sydney today was a vile act of antisemitic terror. I mourn those who were murdered and will be keeping their families, the Jewish community, and the Chabad movement in my prayers. May the memories of all those killed be a blessing.
>While we are still waiting for all the facts to emerge, what we already know is devastating. At least 11 dead, including Rabbi Eli Schlanger, who held deep ties to Crown Heights. At least 29 injured. Another Jewish community plunged into mourning and loss, a holiday of light so painfully reduced to a day of darkness. This attack is merely the latest, most horrifying iteration in a growing pattern of violence targeted at Jewish people across the world. Too many no longer feel safe to be themselves, to express their faith publicly, to worship in their synagogues without armed security stationed outside. What happened at Bondi is what many Jewish people fear will happen in their communities too.
>On Bondi Beach today, as men with long guns targeted innocents, another man ran towards the gunfire and disarmed a shooter. Tonight, as Jewish New Yorkers light menorahs and usher in a first night of Hanukkah clouded by grief, let us look to his example and confront hatred with the urgency and action it demands. When I am Mayor, I will work every day to keep Jewish New Yorkers safe—on our streets, our subways, at shul, in every moment of every day. Let this be a purpose shared by every New Yorker, and let us banish this horrific violence to the past.Watch the entire US left become Chabad apologists or otherwise kowtow to liberal Zionism for months on end. Under the guise of "needing to" or "optics".
Also, what sort of "fell for it again" award does this warrant? I feel like when things are this in-your-face, the onus in on you to do the effort and keep the faith. Zioran certainly isn't making any effort to deceive anyone at this point.
>>2597861hot take: terrorism bad
>>2597859Ya know. I'm not going to entertain this and find references for what actual Rastas define Babylon as. But your just stereotyping stoners and Caribbean's as being lazy and inefficient. Your a twat. Thats twat like behavior.
>>2597863I don't know rastas tbh I just wanted to talk shit.
>>2597862Killing Zionists is not terrorism
>>2597862Wrong. Terrorism is good and certainly anyone attending a Chabad event as a follower would be better dead.
And if they don't want their children to suffer the tensions of being jewish supremacist settler colonists, then they should just stop being jewish supremacist settler colonists for the benefit of their children.
i disavow any 'socialists' who find justification in mass public shootings of innocents. we are fundamentally on different sides
>>2597872Nothing “innocent” about openly participating in a Jewish supremacist celebration. Everyone killed there is one less Zio butchering Palestinians
>>2597875Wait, this guy
>>2597863 and this guy
>>2597875 are not the same guy?
I'm going insane.
>>2597879OK OK I was just confused. Peace.
>>2597880I was even confused that I replied to Alunya-poster it's all good.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/u-s-seizure-of-venezuelas-oil-tanker-is-piracy/>The U.S. people, 70% of whom oppose intervention in Venezuela, must see this act as a dangerous provocation toward another war of aggression.The CPUSA estimates that a mere 30% of amerikans are imperialist. This is wrong. CPUSA is fascist and complicit in imperialism for not doing anything other than podcasting as amerikans bombard venezuela.
>>2597884>Just leave out the whole remaining two thirds of the post in his quote. remember reading, but I am too lazy to look up right now, Engels giving an introduction to the Das Kapital about how this revolutionary ideology could only be thought up by a German mind. They didn't consider themselves Jews, they just considered themselves Germans.
I'll find it later and post, don't you worry. You could find it first if you weren't a lazy sophistic fuck.
>>2597872No imperialist is innocent. Every imperialist snake is enemy combatant in People War.
Auatralian zionists are nearly as bad as amerikans. Theyre settler neocolonizers so they all are valid target in People War
>>2597653Multipolaroids too dumb to realise you are making fun of the "socialism is inherently chinese" retards LMAO
>>2597872Islamist gonna islamist. Then they cry adventurism when a retard kills Kirk. Mangione is infinitely more of a hero than those nationalist moralist ""pro-palestinians"".
>>2597889yeah, I read the rest of your post. their particular German chauvinist opinions are irrelevant to the general laws they articulated. Kwame Ture once repudiated the idea that Communism is a "white thing" (or, more specifically a German thing) by using the exact same point I made: It doesn't matter who discovers, articulates, and formalizes the articulation of a particular physical, social, or economic "law of motion" , all that matters is that it operates independently of whosoever discovers it. Does that make sense? I hope I am making sense. This isn't sophistry, this is common sense. A "non German mind" could easily have discovered or articulated the same things. The Hegelian mode of expression in Capital notwithstanding.
>>2597894I don't think he's being satirical based on his hostile response to this:
>>2597884 >>2597896You are retardrd zionist. Palestinians fight to survive. Mangione killed because he got fucked out of his own treats.
>>2597905Is there any grievence that someone can have in the 1st world that isnt reduced to muh treats discourse?
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