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>>2594309Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2595446cops shooting at browns
rooseveltism
both of these are eternal constants in the USA
We should improve society somewhat
>>2595452that's treatlerism. you should fight against your own material interests. Actually no, you cannot be expected to do that. So you should fight for imperialism until …? Wait… hm….
>>2595452Wrong we should do nothing except post about how other people (who are not me) should do things
>>2595452Yet you vote blue no matter who…
>“Their theory of change involves cutting off all support to Cuba,” said Juan S. Gonzalez, who was President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s top White House aide for Western Hemisphere affairs. “Under this approach, once Venezuela goes, Cuba will follow.”
>Mr. Rubio has hinted at the idea in public, telling NPR in early 2019 that a weakened Cuba would be a welcome “byproduct” of a change in Venezuela’s government, even if it were not “the central rationale” for pushing out Mr. Maduro. “Anything that’s bad for a communist dictatorship is something I support,” he said.
>In private, he has been more direct. As a senator, Mr. Rubio routinely discussed Mr. Maduro’s support for Havana in detail with his colleagues, as well as with U.S. officials and foreign diplomats, according to a former Senate aide who was often present for the discussions. The former aide said Mr. Rubio had “articulated a vision” in which splitting Venezuela from Cuba would have disastrous consequences for the Cuban government.
<“It all goes back to Cuba — anything he can do to weaken the regime in Cuba,” said another U.S. official who was in briefings with Mr. Rubio during the first Trump administration.https://archive.ph/FVyET >>2595459Of course, he's descended from gusanos.
>>2595459quite possibly the most bloodthirsty and dangeorus reactionary in the whole administration, and the first person to serve as both national security advisor and secretary of state since Kissinger
‘Idiot’ Kyle Rittenhouse ripped as a joke by Florida sheriff: ‘I am so disgusted’https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/idiot-kyle-rittenhouse-ripped-joke-100050868.html
>Kyle Rittenhouse returned to social media this week, and he is already drawing the ire of at least one sheriff in Florida.
>Rittenhouse, who shot three people, killing two, during a racial injustice protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin in 2020, claimed self-defense and was acquitted of all charges. He remains controversial, though, and his new gig appears to be attempting to call out incidents that he believes are Second Amendment issues.
>That led him to share a video on Friday standing in front of the Walton County Jail while claiming that Michael Rediker “used Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ law to lawfully defend himself when his life was put in jeopardy.”
<“Michael did nothing wrong, and he deserves all our support,” Rittenhouse said in the video which he pinned to his X page.
<“We are expecting an outright not guilty under Florida’s Stand Your Ground law,” he added.
>Walton County Sheriff Michael Adkinson did not take kindly to Rittenhouse’s claims. He reshared the video via the Walton County Sheriff Office’s official X account, and issued a video of his own scathing response.
<“I don’t normally do this,” Adkinson said. “I don’t normally take the time to speak to public comments on cases, certainly not open cases. But in this particular situation, a murder that occurred yesterday in Walton County, I feel compelled to respond to what I can only call wildly irresponsible. I would say motivated by many factors, none of them in the interest of justice in which individuals, particularly Kyle Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, are attempting to frame the murder here in Walton County on Thursday of Mr. Keen as a Stand Your Ground case or wrapping it in the Constitution or that it is Second Amendment case.”
>Adkinson was far from done.
<“After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them,” the sheriff continued. “There was a man who lost his life yesterday. A father, a husband with two small children, who was murdered, unarmed on his own property, unprovoked by an individual who drove a tractor over a half a mile onto the victim’s property. Once there, batters his wife in front of eyewitnesses. When the husband, whom there had been no confrontation with, gets out to come over and help pick his wife up off the ground the suspect shoots him in the face. He was unarmed. There was no fight between them. There was no attack, and as he is laying dying on the ground, this suspect, Michael Rediker, stood over him and made some comments for which he is going to answer to in court. At the same time, he committed aggravated assault on multiple other people because he murdered this man in front of witnesses that watched this as this man was murdered. Again, unarmed, on his own property, after his wife had been battered, and no confrontation.
<“Now, somehow out of that, Mr. Rittenhouse and his attorney, Anthony Sabatini, have determined that this is the great Stand Your Ground case,” Adkinson continued. “Well, I’ll tell you this. I’ll bet my badge on this. Not only is that not a stand your ground, Mr. Rediker will face either the ultimate penalty in the state of Florida or God willing the rest of his natural life in prison. Because, come Christmas morning in two weeks, there are two little boys elementary school age, two children, that are not going to have their father, and there’s a wife whose not going to have her husband all so these two idiots can get more likes on their Facebook and call it a Constitutional issue.”
>Adkinson then brought it home.
<“I think both of you are jokes, and I don’t think you should make a damn cent off the suffering of someone else,” he said. “So, if you don’t like that, well you can file that under I don’t really give a damn. I know people aren’t’ going to like this, and I don’t care about that either. I’m so disgusted and sad for the Keen family and their loss and the fact that these two yo-yos are going to try to make money and news on it. And I probably shouldn’t give them this, but I think the public deserves to know this doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the Second Amendment or Stand Your Ground. So, I hope that many of you will reach out and tell these two jack-wagons what you think about what they are doing to this family suffering.
<“Don’t let them make on penny off a like.”Republicans are gonna run on a "legalize murder" platform in, like, five years time max.
>>2595461 His parents were Cubans who immigrated to the United States in 1956 during the regime of Fulgencio Batista, two and a half years before Fidel Castro ascended to power after the Cuban Revolution. He is literally not even descended from Gusanos. He is descended from people who fled US-backed Batista. He is literally just a homegrown reactionary who pretends to be Gusano
>>2595465>He is literally just a homegrown reactionary who pretends to be GusanoCan't tell if that's worse or not.
>>2595464>“After 30-something years of doing this, I very rarely get personally offended, but I’m actually just kind of disgusted with them,” the sheriff continued. “There was a man who lost his life yesterday. A father, a husband with two small children, who was murdered, unarmed on his own property, unprovoked by an individual who drove a tractor over a half a mile onto the victim’s property. Once there, batters his wife in front of eyewitnesses. When the husband, whom there had been no confrontation with, gets out to come over and help pick his wife up off the ground the suspect shoots him in the face. He was unarmed. There was no fight between them. There was no attack, and as he is laying dying on the ground, this suspect, Michael Rediker, stood over him and made some comments for which he is going to answer to in court. At the same time, he committed aggravated assault on multiple other people because he murdered this man in front of witnesses that watched this as this man was murdered. Again, unarmed, on his own property, after his wife had been battered, and no confrontation.damn…
>>2595464>Republicans are gonna run on a "legalize murder" platform in, like, five years time max.that;s ultimately what they want the power of life and deth over there inferiors
>>2595464rittenhouse is literally just an activist who goes around justifying coldblooded murders now, but I remember when a lot of the reactionary /pol/ transplant trolls on here were defending him from the "dysgenic jews" he shot and calling him "proletarian" for protecting closed small businesses from "lumpen rioters"
They want me to forget that, but I won't
>Large numbers of U.S. and Syrian Forces are beginning to build up around the Central Syrian city of Palmyra, where an ISIS attacker ambushed and killed three Americans earlier today, with reports of large counter-terrorism operations. In addition to ground forces, heavy activity by fighter jets and CAS assets are now being reported over Palmyra.
>>2595467If a Turk has blood up to his elbows, the convert must have it up to his shoulders
>>2595469>>2595470And what's fucking nuts is that Rittenhouse is planting his flag that "THIS is the cause we gotta defend!" Guy just drives up to a random house, beats a person's wife, then shoots them. Usually the argument with 2A types is that you use a gun on exactly this kind of American crazy but instead Rittenhouse is pulling a "Whomst among us doesn't want to murder people from time to time?"
Like its on par with Shapiro calling for Trump to pardon Derek Chauvin, its literally them just trying to make the law of the jungle explicit law in the U.S.
>>2595474I remember commenting when it was happening that it was basically asking for trouble to drive out to a protest fully armed and had a conservative say "That's like telling a rape victim she shouldn't have dressed as a slut!"
>>2595478I'm 80% sure I remember hearing that, before the shooting incident that got him famous, rittenhouse once suckerpunched some girl who was arguing with his sister or something like that
>>2595478The only reason you oppose Rittenhouse is because he killed The Volk, which is to say white Americans.
Had he killed 5 million middle easterners to build up the American homeland you and your insane reactionary party would be organizing for his election campaign.
>>2595483>well if x was y then z and not wyeah no shit
>>2595488i thought for a moment he was going to talk about the skull shapes in new england that stormfags used to a few years ago to prove whites were in vinland first before the native americans
>>2595466^ they really can’t help themselves
>>2595483^ see? Doin’ it again with the bad faith!
>>2595496deeply incompetent people
>>2595483what if I believe killing unarmed people is bad no matter what country you do it in. Ever think of that?
>>2595498imagine ever trusting anarchists lmao
stalin is antidote to bourgeois rot
a cross to the devil
>>2595494>>2595495Bruh, when you tag a post, there are already arrows.
>>2595501Having ethics makes you a treatlerite
>>2595471Have his parents ever been interviewed? What do they think about all this?
>>2595469Wow that's kinda fucked up, fuck ritten house for defending it
>>2595473He didn't write that.
>>2595483I bet you were a Trump supporter in 2016.
>>2595513idk if they're even still alive. and just because they fled batista instead of castro doesn't make them non-reactionaries necessarily. they're probably reactionaries considering they raised him. not all kids end up with their parents' politics, but most kids end up with most of their parents' politics, deviating only in some small respects.
>>2595488This is the dumbest sophistry I've ever seen.
>>2595496I feel like law enforcement has gotten 100x worse since Trump became president.
Kash Patel is uniquely terrible at his job. Might be the worst ever.
>>2595517that's not an argument nor would it be relevant if it were true (i'm not him btw, he's also stupid, you're both stupid)
>>2595488America comes from Amerigo vesspuchi the cartographer who figured out that the land mass the Spaniards found wasn't india, america is the whole thing from Alaska to Argentina not just the USA
>>2595501You should stay away from CPUSA then, since their entire ideology is based around killing as many people as possible so America can prosper.
>>2595517I actually think every American politician should be shot, I don't support Trump, but he is objectively less of a criminal than Biden.
>>2595508Can someone explain the difference between EE bonds and I bonds? I'm retarded
>>2595464we should all seduce kyle's new wife and run a train
>>2595532Why are you reposting rw pedo accounts?
Can someone give me like a debunk template message to post on /pol/ when right wing Zionist there say people on the left only dislike Israel because they perceive the people as white. It's clearly false but how do I articulate this to BTFO them.
Thanks.
>>2595534>explain the difference between EE bonds and I bondsEE bonds grow at a fixed interest rate and are guaranteed to double in value after 20 years if held that long while I bonds earn interest that changes with inflation, so they help protect your money’s buying power.
>>2595539my advice is to stop trying to argue with anyone on message boards and just troll because nothing constructive is possible on anon-boards. This place is a prime example of that
>>2595524It's absolutely relevant because it shows that he's just laundering old reactionary opinions under a leftist flag (which is a very common occurrence on here nowadays).
The reactionary to leftist pipeline is not a smooth one, a lot of dogshit opinions still stick. They don't want to suffer ego death so they try to salvage what they can.
>>2595530>don't support>present tense, doesn't address past viewsNice dodge.
>>2595488he is an irish catholic
>>2595543I have been remarkably consistent in my belief that ALL American politicians should be shot, and America MUST be destroyed.
You, on the other hand, support an imperialist party that wants to use imperialism as a tool to build up the American homeland, because you are an imperialist.
>>2595534people sometimes confuse EE and I bonds because both are burger savings bonds issued by the burger treasury, and both are considered very safe low risk investments. Interest is added to the bond value over time, though the way it grows differs. Both can be bought electronically through TreasuryDirect, so they look similar online. The main difference (fixed rate vs. inflation-adjusted) can be overlooked if someone only glances at the purchase options.
>>2595546posts like this should be bannable if only because it is conscious slander
>you support imperialism!!
<no i don't you support trump!!!
my favorite kind of "conversation" on here is when anons make up what opinions other anons have and try to put the made up guy in their head on show trial despite not having any real world mechanism for dispensing "justice"
>>2595478>drive out to a protest fully armed Im still baffled he didnt get lynched on the spot when he did his own murders. But apparently in the US only the fascists use violence on people, and protesters will surrender someone who just killed some of them to the police so he can take selfies and taunt them
>>2595548you can't really slander anon because everybody is anon. trying to put anon on trial is just schizophrenia.
>>2595546I don't believe you sorry. The fact that your first response said "I don't" instead of "I've never" is the giveaway. 2016 was almost a decade ago.
Also I never said anything about the Democrats, I was just shitting on your Rittenhouse shilling.
Reactionaries going from "[thing] is based" to "[thing] isn't as bad as [other thing]" is an incredibly common mental gymnastics technique. It's a way for the brain to keep the belief intact while making adjustments on the margins. A form of psychological bargaining.
>>2595545You need to be 18 to post here
>>2595552TRIF was raised communist by trade unionists. lurk moar. also who cares
>>2595551blatant and shameless slandering of a nominal and historically effective communist org wouldn't fly anywhere else but leftypol
You guys really need to stop fed posting
In vid related, from 2005, Hugo Chavez explained how the US would use a bogus “narco-terrorist” term to justify regime change against Venezuela.
Interestingly, Chavez also makes some remarks which would cause Iron Felix to call him a "fascist imperial japanese army supporter"
I actually agree with Chavez here. It was a show of force by the US, a way to prevent soviet influence in the region, a slaughter of Japanese women, children, and workers, and was not strategically necessary to winning the war.
The common argument is that if the US didn't drop the bomb the war would have lasted a lot longer against a frantic, devoted enemy. But I don't actually believe that. Japanese industry was fucking dead by 1945. They no longer had a direct connection to their colonies in Korea and their puppet Manchuria. They could not get food or material from those places anymore. The Soviets would have taken Manchuria and Korea in no time at all, the war would have ended regardless arguably in less than a year.
The goal was to prevent Communist and especially Soviet Communist influence in Manchuria, Korea, and Japan. Rather than being the final act of WW2, the atomic bombing of Japan is more correctly viewed as (one of) the opening actions of the cold war.
The JCP was quite successful until 1949. They gained 39 seats in the 1949 election and had a trade union with millions of members. The Americans ordered them to be purged because their strikes and growing political presence was a threat to them. Japan was the launching pad for the Korean war and a lot of Japanese communists were Japanese Koreans.
The Americans would not have had the sway to even do this if the Soviets had invaded Japan and completed the victory in Asia. The atomic bombings prevented this. If you look at the victory in Europe, we also see the immediate sidelining and purging of communists West of what would become the "iron curtain." You also see the so called "defensive" NATO being set up 6 years before the Warsaw pact. NATO was 1949 and Warsaw pact was 1955. Soviets tried to join NATO and were prevented from doing so in 1954, proving that NATO was intended as anti-communist, despite the babbling about "collective defense." So in my mind, a lot of what the US did at the end of WW2 was preparing for conflict with the soviets, and trying to prevent their influence.
>>2595560i'm not talkina bout cpusa. i'm talking about the dumb conversations on here where regular anons strawman each other and try to put each other on trial. it's a stupid waste of time. it's egotistical masturbation.
Guy's a beast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_J._Leonard
>He is the author of Heavy Radicals: The FBI’s Secret War on America’s Maoists and A Threat of the First Magnitude—FBI Counterintelligence & Infiltration: From the Communist Party to the Revolutionary Union.
>In 2020 he published The Folk Singers and the Bureau (Repeater Books). Joe Pagetta, writing in America magazine said, "Aaron J. Leonard’s new book, The Folk Singers and the Bureau, draws from almost 10,000 pages of F.B.I. files on an array of folk artists. It aims to illustrate the considerable impact that the U.S. government’s campaign against Communism had on folk artists in the 1940s and early ’50s."[4] Daniel Rosenberg, in American Communist History wrote: "Aaron J. Leonard has contributed a solid piece of research to the history of FBI repression of the Communist Party USA by tracing the surveillance, investigation, and harassment of folk singers, many of whom belonged or were sympathetic to the Party."[5]
>In February 2023, his book Whole World in an Uproar: Music, Rebellion & Repression - 1955-1972 was published.(Repeater Books, 2023, ISBN 9781914420924). It focuses on folk and pop musicians that were subjects of FBI surveillance and monitoring since the 1950s. Such artists included Pete Seeger, Phil Ochs and Dave Van Ronk due to their affiliations with organized groups or specific political activism such as making anti-war statements and contributing to "civil unrest".[6]
>In May 2024 he published Meltdown Expected: Crisis, Disorder & Upheaval at the end of the 1970s (Rutgers Univ. Press), the story of the power shifts from late 1978 through 1979 leading to the final phase of the Cold War. In 2025 he published Menace of Our Time: The Long War Against American Communism, (Rutgers University Press), a history of the repression directed at the Communist Party USA from its founding in 1919 to the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991.
>Leonard is also a contributor to the news site Truthout and Jacobin online. >>2595567>I'm not talking about xI was. Then you butted in.
>>2595573yeah because you and another anon were basically going
<hurr durr i bet u support trump!!!>hurr durr i bet u support imperialism!!!<i don't support trump but you support imperialism!!!>i dont heckin believe you, i bet u were trump supporter!!!!it's stupid. dumb. waste of time.
Aaron does a TON of work on COINTELPRO and how it worked to destabilize the left in America, especially the CPUSA. Really makes you think when you see all the trve anti-imperialists slander the CPUSA every day here lol
>>2595476>where an ISIS attacker ambushed and killed three AmericansRest in piss, parasites
>>2595574please shut the fuck up
>>2595575Does this mean that the feds want the ACP to win?
>>2595571top 10 people it would be funny to see take a molotov cocktail to the face
>>2595581what does "win" mean here?
>>2595581larouchites, who operated in a very similar manner, were supported for their divisive and reactionary "communism" so, yes, it wouldn't surprise me if ACP were useful idiots for the feds
>>2595584Become a leading voice on the US "left"
zohran status?
>>2595590Siding with Capital.
>Groups and individuals targeted by the FBI included feminist organizations,[8][9] the Communist Party USA,[10] anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists in the civil rights and Black power movements (e.g., Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, and the Black Panther Party), student organizations such as Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)[11] and Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), environmentalist and animal rights organizations, the American Indian Movement (AIM), Chicano and Mexican-American groups like the Brown Berets and the United Farm Workers, and independence movements (including Puerto Rican independence groups, such as the Young Lords and the Puerto Rican Socialist Party).
if I were in charge of COINTELPRO counter-messaging: all treatlerites are irredeemable filth would be on the whiteboard
>>2595590last i heard, he endorsed a hard D democrat over a DSA candidate, kept zionist police commissioner tisch, a billionaire heiress, and finally told people to surrender to ICE. This is al normal adult marxist realpolitik, and you're not allowed to criticize it, or he might not get reelected several years from now.
>>2595594I don't know how many times I have to tell you that the DSSA literally and explicitly exists to destroy the left before you all believe me. I guess you are going to learn the hard way, by watching them do it.
>>2595594This makes sense because trump is to the left of mamdani on almost everything
>>2595597exactly. That's why we must destroy the left first
>>2595594Yeah kinda not liking what he is doing so far, at least some of the pics are causing porky to seethe weather he actually does something left wing will be seen but im not betting on it,
At least for a little while there was a real chance of Alan dershowitiz killing himself.
And the electoral consequences are good for us, someone better might surpass him.
>>2595597does america even have a significant Left Wing to destroy? it seems to me a giant matryoshka doll of reformists, fake revolutionaries, and disguised reactionaries.
>>2595598Bomberdummy himself admits that he agrees with Trump on most issues. The only substantive difference between the two is the precise identity of who they think should benefit from American Imperialism.
>>2595603America did have a left in the 1960s when Michael Harrington was kicked out of the SPUSA for supporting the Vietnam war.
>>2595604I agree. If anything we should either push for no one to vote in any election, or even better they should all vote for Republicans so that the Amerikkkan empire can collapse faster
>>2595602use xcancel fucker
If you think about it, Trump is the best thing to happen for Anti-imperialism in a century
>>2595598Dumbest thing I read all week, the guy who wants an imperialist With Venezuela is to the left of mamdani
The guy who is so up the ass of the Israeli lobby he's breaking records is to left of the guy trying to ignore them at the very least
Peter theils favorite puppet is left wing to you?
Please kill your self
Critical support for COINTELPRO is necessary to defeat the treatlerite hogs
>>2595609He killed innocent people in Yemen for Isreal
he bombed Iran
He bombed Syria
Continues to sanction Cuba
Supported the 2019 Bolivia coup
Killed 80 people in the Caribean to prepare for imperialist war with Venezuela
>>2595606i'm talking about the present, not the 1960s. I unironically think getting rid of the draft destroyed anti imperialism in this country. Because everyone joins the military voluntarily
(spare me the poverty draft nonsense, evidence shows volunteer troops are usually from petty bourgeois families full of cops and small business owners) If we actually got in a situation where the poorest americans were getting drafted, like a real draft, not a "poverty draft," we might see a return of fragging officers. Nothing gets the anti-imperialist juices flowing like being press ganged into a pointless war. I bet Ukraine might have an honest to god revolution, not a color revolution, after the war from 2022 is over.
>>2595611Trump is single handedly demolishing american hegemony himself. Every reactionary politician we elect accelerates the decline of USA empire. If you vote for anyone other than a republican, don't call yourself a fucking communist.
>>2595613ummm something somethign accelerationism, something something jdpon don, mumble mumble
>>2595615Anything he does for anti imperialism is only by incompetence not any anti imperialist priciples
>>2595614this is why project 2025 is good for the left, because they plan to reinstate the draft.
This is like saying Hitler was prosoviet because his incompetence helped the USSR beat the German army
>>2595623We need a bunch of bots spreading the lie that GOP are secret communistbecauee red ties
>>2595619look you can refuse to vote for the true enemy of american imperialism (republicans) that's fine actually. But whatever you do DON'T vote for anyone on the democratic ticket, no matter how much they promise you. As a communist, it's your job to wage war in every way you can against the establishment, even if it costs the wellbeing of those around you, even yourself, temporarily.
>>2595625Never voted for a Democrat
>>2595629good that's the first step. Next you need to actively topple the american treatlerite empire by pushing for regime change in venezuela
>>2595627<accelerationism is just reactionaryftfy
>>2595627>a significantly organized, educated, and armed revolutionary proletarian movement building dual powerAccelerationism makes no sense if this existed, accelerationism is a response to the lack of this.
>>2595631if accelerationism is reactionary, what does that make reformism?
>>2595634I mean the French have it better than us and are Miles ahead in class conciousness
>>2595635this is based. The less white people there are living in america makes it that much easier to feel less guilt when the american empire finally collapses under it's own weight while millions die
>>2595636if you vote for a SINGLE democrat once in your entire life, you are a fucking piglerite american subhuman dog. Irredeemable filth and traitor to mankind. You will call for global genocide.
But in france that's fine they're nice actually
>>2595627You cannot organize the people en masse until there is a crisis which draws the masses into politics. Lenin confirmed this in "Left Wing Communism" and it remains true today.
I know what you're going to say, but there has been no crisis in American history severe enough to threaten the foundations of the country. The closest we came was the depression, when the CPUSA intentionally hamstrung the left with their ideals of class collaboration and Browderism.
It is incumbent on us to become the crisis which draws the backwards masses into politics. Only then can we truly organize the mass base. Most people are indifferent to politics unless they have no choice.
>>2595640>I know what you're going to say<proceeds to say something I wasn't going to saythis is why nobody likes talking to you
>>2595633>>2595631i mean accelerationism in the sense of a feedback loop where the bourgeois government becomes more reactionary, and stops giving even temporary concessions. That's objectively a step in the direction of revolution if you already have an educated, armed, organized, revolutionary proletariat building dual power. But if you don't have that, it's just reactionary. You're just accelerating off the edge of a cliff instead of towards revolutionary civil war.
>>2595642which is exactly why, as communists, we must support the administration in their endeavors to reverse that trend. Only when the American Homeland is homogeneously White can we then nuke them into oblivion as the settler colonialist scum that they are. Much less collateral damage that way.
>>2595645>>2595631
>The fundamental law of revolution, which has been confirmed by all revolutions, and particularly by all three Russian revolutions in the twentieth century, is as follows: it is not enough for revolution that the exploited and oppressed masses should understand the impossibility of living in the old way and demand changes; what is required for revolution is that the exploiters should not be able to live and rule in the old way. Only when the "lower classes" do not want the old way, and when the "upper classes" cannot carry on in the old way – only then can revolution triumph. This truth may be expressed in other words: revolution is impossible without a nationwide crisis (affecting both the exploited and the exploiters). It follows that revolution requires, first, that a majority of the workers (or at least a majority of the class-conscious, thinking and politically active workers) should fully understand that revolution is necessary and be ready to sacrifice their lives for it; second, that the ruling classes should be passing through a governmental crisis which draws even the most backward masses into politics (a symptom of every real revolution is a rapid tenfold and even hundredfold increase in the number of representatives of the toiling and oppressed masses - hitherto apathetic – who are capable of waging the political struggle), weakens the government and make it possible for the revolutionaries to overthrow it rapidly.” Read Lenin, you fucking nerds. If you spent as much time reading Lenin as you did consuming commodities, we would be living in a different country right now.
>>2595647dont worry the Amish population are hard at work outbreeding everybody rn
>>2595637>"What kind of restaurant doesn't have cheeseburgers?"I don’t know, a sushi place? Apple hasn’t fallen far from the tree it would seem.
>>2595649Yeah I agree that Lenin would have championed Trump's anti-imperialist actions by weakening the state
>>2595656>guy who made up stories about genocide as propaganda for a foreign reactionary power is, himself, being genocided lol
lmao even
>>2595649i don't see how that's mutually contradictory with what I said here
>>2595645 nor do I see why you would assume I haven't read Lenin
>>2595508also USD inflation has been continuous for 11 days in a row, the longest streak since nixon took USD off the gold standard in 1971.
inb4 inflation is constant, yes I know that, but there are usually small instances of deflation in the daily currency market >>2595662You can't organize the masses until you have a crisis that draws them into politics. The crisis is the first step, not the last one.
>>2595664exactly. which is why we must accept the need for short term pain (brown people being spat on in the streets and dying in concentration camps) over being cringe (participating in electoral politics at all)
Also, if you work with a leftist org, it needs to avoid electoral politics completely and only post on their website. Sometimes you need to go out and carry around banners with your acronym on it and call for revolution.
Above all: if those workers who you organize under your leadership take part in electoral politics of any kind, they must be purged from the ranks.
>>2595664there are always crises going on. you should be taking advantage of each one to draw people in by educating, organizing, arming them, etc. I'm saying that accelerating the
rate at which these crises occur without organizing the proletariat is just reactionary. Obviously you should always be doing both. treating it as "linear" with a crisis either at the "beginning" or "end" ignores that both crises and organization are ongoing processes.
>>2595666please don't answer a post meant for me or he'll start confusing us
>>2595668Fair enough, treatler pig ;)
>>2595656will all the gusanos that moved to the us under biden learn their lesson? probably not
>>2595661Might be one of the funniest things he's ever done. How long until he puts hold trim on the outside? I remember some Mexican comedian joking if there was ever a Mexican POTUS it would become 'the White House with blue trim.' Beyond satire, sheesh.
There is no coming back from this gor America. Clown country.
>>2595667There is not a governmental crisis, the US government is remarkably stable and will remain so until acted upon by an outside force.
Said force can only realistically be it's own people.
>>2595675well now you're specifying governmental crises, but there are always economic crises, and even if there isn't federal government crises, there are lots of local government crises.
>>2595677imagine paying for theory as a commodity instead of pirating books or just going to marxists.org
>>2595679I am specifying nothing. I am repeating only what Lenin said.
>>2595680Imagine paying for Internet to do any of that and therefore still counting as commodity exchange
This entire thread is just a series of commodity exchanges if you think about it
>>2595637All that IVF and surrogacy to produce ideal humans with his ideal female candidates, and his spawn still turns out a mentally deficient sack of potatoes
>>2595687The English hatred of trees still flashing if but for a second in even the most unrelated of exchanges
>>2595690No tree ever called me Paddy
>>2595681>I am specifying nothing.I suppose if you ignore the entire context of our prior exchange that's believable
Every leftist org in America is guilty of being American. We must do something about this or we are doomed
>>2595682joke's on you, public libraries with internet access exist (for now)
>>2595661why did he use the same pic for both his terms?
>>2595692History is on my side, it takes a crisis to form a mass movement, not the other way around. You cannot name one occasion in which a government has collapsed sans a severe governmental crisis.
>>2595701re-read
>>2595667 which went over your head
>>2595692An apt comparison. Christ told us to build the kingdom of God on earth, and Lenin showed us how
>>2595696ah the return of history, you love to see it
>>2595698Oh you mean treatlerite "public" libraries that depend on taxpayer funds (money is a commodity fuck you) from the amerikkkan social-democratic (fascist) welfare pig-state?? Every homeless person that jerks off in your library is more revolutionary than the students (petty bourgeois intellectuals) like you who go their to consoom their western (fascist) theory translated to English (the most fascist language)
>>2595701>You cannot name a time when a government collapsed without the government first collapsing Hahahahahahaha
>>2595702You are talking about ECONOMIC crises, not government crises. There is a difference. An economic crisis can cause the weakening of a government, but that is not always the case.
What Lenin is telling you here is the same thing that I have always been telling you all. We must diminish, discredit and destroy the power and authority of the United States government at every possible opportunity and by all available means. We must CREATE a governmental crisis, if we are to ever have a revolution, and if we want humanity to continue to exist after us, we must have a revolution within our lifetimes.
>>2595661>biden portrait is an autopenlol
The shooter is still at large. Witnesses reported the suspect as having a bright red beard, dark shades, and a black fedora.
>>2595712you can tell he's been having mini strokes because of how much more one side of his face droops now
>>2595710>well now you're specifying governmental crises, but there are always economic crises, and even if there isn't federal government crises, there are lots of local government crises.<I am specifying nothing. I am repeating only what Lenin said.[…several minutes later]
<You are talking about ECONOMIC crises, not government crises.So you
are specifying!
>>2595706waiter! more bad faith schizoposts!
>>2595723This is just semantics, it doesn't matter. What matters is this, we need a crisis. There has to be something so severe that it shakes the government to it's foundations and weakens it to such an extent it can be overthrown by the workers.
What creates that crisis? Waiting for climate change is waiting for the apocalypse and hoping you can get a better seat in hell. Our only option is to create the crisis ourselves.
>>2595729>This is just semantics, it doesn't matter. my sibling in science, this entire "conversation" has been you doing semantics, where you basically pretend I am wrong, drop a Lenin quote, don't explain how that Lenin quote is at all mutually exclusive with what I was saying, deliberately misinterpret what I'm saying and then get hung up on semantics.
>>2595734I'm not into it im just saying the French working class is more class conscious than the us one
>>2595719Reported to have one comically muscular arm
>>2595713holy fuck… guys… i think religion might be retarded, and reactionary.
>>2595750Wow if he got away it would a serious degrade in law enforcement capabilities, going back decades shooters either got caught or killed themselves
>>2595661>>2595673lmao it legit looks like retirement home decor, very fitting
>>2595753
Funny thing about Nvidia, they don't make the chips. They just "design" them. The Taiwanese vendors manufacture them. Since the entire "AI bubble" is dependent on Nvidia, it's also dependent on Taiwan. If reunification happens, Nvidia is finished lol. This is why the US is even more desperate for "Taiwan's" independence from the PRC than it previously was.
>>2595751Probably high chance he was a current student. Has any uni shooter ever not been. But what if he did a second spree before they can catch him?
Imperialism = First Worldism
Multipolarity = Second Worldism
Maoism = Third Worldism
>>2595763Wouldn't be the first guy to commit two spree killings this African guy committed two separate Ones in Africa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Unek >>2595766>Republic of Congo>"Africa"why do Americans always talk about the entire continent of Africa like it's one country?
>>2595762Iran proved that they can penetrate the top tier missile defense system with massed strikes of hypersonics and then deplete it's ammo with sustained strikes, and Iran is a basket case of a state which is facing a water crisis so bad they are considering abandoning Tehran.
Imagine what China could do. Rather, imagine what China IS doing, because China isn't stupid and paid attention to that war. China's missiles are much better than Iran's, and they can build a lot more of them.
This is the same China that already leads the world by a huge margin in drone technology and has massive production capabilities that vastly outstrip those of even Russia. Imagine how many Geran drones they could build. They already make "commercial"/hobby knockoffs that they will ship to your door.
The fact is, all of NATO's point defense systems suffer from the same fundamental problem, the nature of capitalism means that companies are incentivized to produce the most profitable solution possible to any given problem, not the best one. NATO point defense missiles are far too expensive, fragile and difficult to make and can be saturated with repeated drone and ballistic missile attacks.
>Two people were killed this evening at Brown University by a gunman who remains at large. Eight others are injured, fighting for their lives in a nearby hospital. This senseless violence—once considered unfathomable—has become nauseatingly normal to all of us across our nation. Tonight, on the eve of the anniversary of the Sandy Hook shooting, we find ourselves in mourning once again.
>The epidemic of gun violence stretches across America. We reckon with it when we step into our houses of worship and out onto our streets, when we drop our children off at kindergarten and when we fear if those children, now grown, will be safe on campus. But unlike so many other epidemics, we possess the cure. We have the power to eradicate this suffering from our lives if we so choose.
>I send my deepest condolences to the families of the victims, and to the Brown and Providence communities, who are wrestling with a grief that will feel familiar to far too many others. May we never allow ourselves to grow numb to this pain, and let us rededicate ourselves to the enduring work of ending the scourge of gun violence in our nation.https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/2000014659487662566 >>2595769100% chance Bomberdummy wants to disarm the proletariat, but would never DREAM of disarming the pigs.
>>2595767I didn't check what country he was from so I just went with Africa. I was being lazy I guess
>>2595768>Imagine what China could do. Rather, imagine what China IS doing, because China isn't stupid and paid attention to that war. China's missiles are much better than Iran's, and they can build a lot more of them. Ten years ago I was reading about how yankee warships are basically defenseless to Chinese hypersonics and in those ten years they've only managed to build one new carrier which has no defenses against hypersonic missiles on top of the damn thing not even working right. They can't even fix the fucking ovens on the damn thing because of repair contracts, to the point that it was almost taken out of commission entirely because 6 of its 8 ovens were nonfunctional. The US government is fully aware of this, and
still just killed a right to repair clause in the ndaa because contractors shit their pants.
The US is not a serious country any more, which might make it all the more dangerous because any serious conflict is going to see them rapidly expending all their assets until surrender or nuclear war become their only options.
>>2595770Yep. Random mass murder can happen easily enough with a car or stabbings but overthrowing the state can not be achieved the same way. Take away guns and nothing will change about mass murder except the weapon used.
>>2595773F35 alone is evidence the USA is cooked. Most they can do these days is bully their weaker neighbors and steal shit.
The reason the USA has stolen the Venezuelan oil tanker isn't because of "iran" (iran is an oil exporter so why would they need oil) but because they want Maduro to attack an American ship so they have ajust reason to attack Venezuala in the US public's mind.
>>2595753
he's so based
>>2595748what memory limitations?
>>2595785There is a RAM shortage basically.
>>2595785AI data centers are causing a major RAM shortage
>>2595796I'm not advocating criminality (don't hit on me NSA) but honestly it's never been a better time to commit a crime and get away with it. Kash Patel is the worst FBI director of all time, obscene levels of incompetence.
>>2595787More like tgere is a giant conspiracy to use the AI hype bubble to centralize all.of computing into tge hands of a few corporations on the west . in order to have the slightest chance of competing with the rest.
Because of liberalism, they can only achieve this facsimile of nationalization through massive bribes and manufacturing a big big crisis.
>>2595773But the US military still has an absolutely frightening amount of power and can crush flat most of the world if they chose to. Consider this: GPS is a US military owned technology. They CAN shut it off! Who has the satellites to give an alternative? Only China and Russia, and China's are newer and better.
America has TWO HUNDRED missiles parked outside of Venezuela right now. Russia can hardly launch half that at Ukraine. That's just cruise missiles, now imagine how many JDAMs they can drop from all those airplanes. They can't replace them forever, but they have more than enough to blast everything they want to in Venezuela, and have a lot more left over.
>>2595777He hasn't even taken office yet bruh
>>2595778It's because Cuba gets pretty much all of its oil from Venezuela and Rubio has a hateboner for Cuba.
>>2595770>he thinks the American proletariat is armedLOL
>>2595807>softened his stancewhat are things that never happened for $500 alex
reporters literally brought up him calling trump a fascist and he didn't take it back
>>2595804ok enjoy your fell for it again award when he does
>>2595812I would tell you to enjoy something but given that you're a third-world hasbara agent getting paid cents a day your life is probably pretty miserable
>>2595813I did, he doesn't say anything about trump
he does say that he's not focusing on cuba or venezuela which is the correct answer, why the fuck does a mayor need to be focused on foreign policy?
the only impact he would have is on projects the city chooses to fund that could support other countries, in particular israel
if he keeps that in place -then- by all means call him a traitor to the cause
>>2595815>I did, he doesn't say anything about trumpthe tweet is referring to his white house meeting with trump and his professed desire to work with Trump, not the video.
> why the fuck does a mayor need to be focused on foreign policy?good question. why condemn maduro as "repressive" at all if a much smarter strategy would be to simply have no comment on matters outside of new york? Instead we see him instantly cave to the US national security line that Maduro is "repressive."
>>2595814i bet you're the same loser who called me "hasbara agent" for not sucking off platner too. you're fucking pathetic. i told you once, i told you a thousand times, go ahead and VOOT for your succdem candidates, but there's no reason to pretend like they're actually based, not even realpolitik, when talking to communists in a small place like this. i'm not stealing VOOTS from your precious zohran (who already won) by noticing what he is. fight agency puts together these fake "outsider candidates" like platner, mamdani, and fetterman, and you losers keep falling for them over and over. if your support was actually critical, rather than uncritical, you would have no problem with me criticizing mamdani. but your support is completely uncritical, and you meltdown when I notice any shortcomings.
>>2595821
Yahweh hu akbar
>>2595590Sitting in a cuck chair watching zionists fuck his pro-jihadist wife
>>2595828
Who is that?
>>2595830
Never heard of him.
>>2595830
Assuming what you're saying is true, why would the vanguard of the proletariat waste their time attempting to "convert" criminals with bourgeois aspirations? The primary target for Communist propaganda is the proletariat. Not the lumpenproletariat, not the petty bourgeoisie, not the labor aristocracy, not the police.
>>2595839It is glorious to get rich
>>2595839Someone post the Dengism scroll again, I’m in the mood for more radlib seething
free felix
CPUSAanon is a smug, snob, pretentious asshole. Fuck him and fuck his shitty party.
>>2595819I haven't seen anyone defend platner
>>2595843Is wanting progress towards communism radlib?
>>2595869I personally like him, and yes he tastes good
>>2595835>>2595837Leftists should use the lumpenproletariat opportunistically to help fund revolutionary activities. Look at Stalin, Kamo and The Outfit.
>>2595901
>Hundreds of police officers swarmed the streets near Brown University late Saturday, shining flashlights into parked cars in search of a gunman who opened fire on students in a campus building, killing two people and injuring nine more.
>Officials indicated that they had not identified the attacker, who escaped onto the streets of Rhode Island’s capital. They planned to release a video shortly that shows the gunman leaving the scene of the attack, though his face is not visible.
??? is this outdated info ???
>>2595892>>2595899>>2595827>>2595825>>2595826Whoah! I never looked at it like that before anon. I can't believe how wrong I was. Thank you for making these educational and very funny may mays. Your efforts were not in vain.
^I'm not being sarcastic btw!!!!
>>2595914>>2595915Ebinnnnn! This is what I come to leftypol for anon! Kekk. Keep it up!
>>2595949
you don't want to use the exact same rhetoric to demoralize me as the US govt. and yet
>>2595872The most abhorrent form of dickrider, the open fascist platner type, have mostly gone silent. The more insidious types still remain.
>>2595828You defy mass-line and promote amerikan labor aristocratic class apartheid. Scientific Socialism is not quotes. You are racist, cynical settler butthurt at the sight of an afrikan with guns and money because you are broke chauvinistic neocolonizer.
>>2595958
back to pol faggot
lumpen doesn't mean uyghur
>>2595958
>white guy poses with guns
<ah, a real prole showing off his 2A rights
>black guy poses with guns
<FUCKING FERAL LUMPEN GANGBANGER REEEEEEEEEEE
>>2595965
Naw, cute job larping as a leftist though
>>2595961You have to admit it's really fun. Earlier I was posting that Trump is the best thing to happen to anti-imperialism this century and it went over great
>>2595977
You mean to tell me the powerful man blundered into collapse instead of the powerless overthrowing him?
The bourgeoisie are their own gravediggers, after all.
It is easier for a giant to trip and fall than it is for a dwarf to knock him over.
>>2595985We must seize the means of daughter production
>>2595985> be billionaire> accumulate more wealth than you can possibly spend in a single lifetime> have 1000 children> die> split the inheritance 1000 ways, creating a bunch of mentally ill bourgeoisielol
posting this here because this is the more active thread
I need some economic help. How the FUCK DOES MONEY SUPPLY INCREASE.
Assuming theres a set of money, and companies pay their workers with it, how does this money get bigger?
The thing I suspect so far is that banks produce more money, but how do they do that? Like I know banks loan out money from deposits but wouldnt that just be loaning out preexisting money? Or does the deposit remain the same and banks just loan out money that never existed before?
Also once that loaned out money gets deposited back into the bank and other banks (once spent), does that increase reserves? Which allows for more lending? HELP IM CONFUSED
>>2595447LOL at the screen Scot. Has anyone really neu fat even sf deduced tiny red urgent want to do look more ljke
>>2595889Id rather have market socialism than capitalism but market socialist countries have a tendency to drop the socialism and keep the market as the laye ussr showed even China was on this path until they changed course and are not moving further towards capitalist relations at the moment for now
I would like to see central planning get a try with modern computing
>>2596001
Good idea. You should post that over at /meta (which should be turned into a chatbot that solves nothing)
>>2595687So I'm a POC?
Alright kkkrackkkas time to decolonize Deitscherei.
>>2596001
But if /anime/ is gone where will I get terrible opinions about anime
>>2595992can someone pls help me
>>2596010
Are you Korean?
>>2595952It is materialist and scientific to say amerikans are fascists sustained by imperialism, not rhetorical. You defy United Front Dimitrov Report. Study what Dimitrov said about why the imperialist labor aristocrats are fascist.
>What is the source of the influence of fascism over the masses? Fascism is able to attract the masses because it demagogically appeals to their most urgent needs and demands. >>2596014
Koreans being poltards
Makes complete sense
>>2596014
the correct answer was "yes I'm Korean. North Korean to be exact. Under the wise guidance of the Respected Comrade Kim Jong Un, our nation achieves great victories daily"
>>2596019no no that actually is a different guy and he's serious lol
>>2596013Dimitrov is explaining how people who do not benefit from fascism are nevertheless fooled by fascists
>Fascism aims at the most unbridled exploitation of the masses but it approaches them with the most artful anti-capitalist demagogy, taking advantage of the deep hatred of the working people against the plundering bourgeoisie, the banks, trusts and financial magnates, and advancing those slogans which at the given moment are most alluring to the politically immature masses.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/dimitrov/works/1935/08_02.htm >>2595985>born to get married off to some billionaire who is likely a deranged pervertI hope the chinese government shuts this shit down if not I hope rouge maoists free these people so the can live their lives as they want it
>>2595992the government prints money and gives it to capitalists. inflation is planned, Keynesian policy to shrink wages
>>2596023
Nice try but Netanyahu already told me the Nazis weren't responsible for the Holocaust.
>>2596023
>the IDF found nazi books in almost every home in gaza
assuming this were true, and not just fabricated bullshit from the IDF, there is a very simple material explanation: people in an open air prison/concentration camp, actively being slaughtered daily by self-described jewish supremacists, while also being deliberately deprived, by those same supremacists, of healthcare, livelihood, and education, will naturally look towards any figure in history who claimed to fight "the jews" regardless of how reactionary that figure is, because the urgency and direness of their situation dictates the need for an oversimplified historical narrative against the people oppressing them. of course, both nazis and zionists look upon something so unfortunate with glee, zionists, because it provides them a simple justification for their genocide: "these guys literally LOVE hitler!!!", and nazis, because "haha, this proves we were right all along!!!" with no further examination for how such a situation might arise in the first place
but regardless, it's probably just fabricated bullshit
>>2596029okay but what about before when govs mass printed money. Money supply had to increase some way before keynesianism
>>2596031If supporting the Nazis is grounds for ethical genocide then the real crime of October 7th was that it didn't go far enough.
>>2596036What is up with Indians man?
>>2596041>What is up with Indians man?there are 1.4 billion of them, most of them live in poverty, and the govt. is investing heavily into digital services instead of commodity production, so the subcontinent is known for running sockpuppet and clickbait accounts.
this really is just a discord chat now huh
>>2596051
reply to this with another different flag I dare you
>>2596053The bribe hypothesis implies that countries where the working classes are not bribed should have revolutionary agitation inside them, which is nowhere close to happening. We can argue that this is because of repressive actions, but then there is no end to repressive action inside the US as well; this is the country where the term glowie comes from
>>2596044That's only part of the problem. Home grown Hindutva nationalists hate Muslims and support the Palestinian genocide because of it.
>>2596050If only trump was this based. His tastes are of someone who tries to emulate the rich people of the 80s but doesn't understand them. Phantom of the Opera is his favorite cultural product…
Another thing is that the bribe/treatler issue ultimately traced its origin to discourse about reform and revolution. The old Marxists believed that social reforms of the social democrats are essentially bribes to the working class to prevent them from revolting, and the Maoists further connect this to three world theory by saying that those social reforms are funded by imperialist hyperprofit.
Of course, if you want to stay consistent in this course, you should definitely say that ALL forms of reform -including better wages, lower working hours, gay rights- in the core are part of the imperalist bribes, rather than merely aiming at the low hanging fruits of consumptive commodities like games or labubus
>>2596082doing literally anything positive in the imperial core whatsoever is genocidal treatler supremacy. If you live in the core and you don't commit suicide you are an enemy of communism
>>2596085Peripheral countries are who support the core. Without the peripheries support there is no imperialism. If you live in the periphery and you don't commit suicide you are an enemy of communism
>>2596095kino shit right here
>>2596048>this anonymous imageboard that runs in your web browser and lets you use tor node is literally the same as the bloated spyware app you have to install and give your phone number and email address to in order to use riveting analysis fuckface
>>2596107dude are you purposely missing the point?
>>2596114dude
first im not that anon
and second this place was at least better before felix existed. Do you deny that?
>>2595830
>>2595828
And?
>>2596117don't you ever fucking criticize leftypol or any other imageboard or I'll call you a faggot for complaining about a place that I admit already sucks shit. Who cares if what was actually being addresed was the culture of low effort, casual and off-topic posts with no relevance to the topic of the thread on the serious side of the website, at least no one here has sex with furry children after giving the tech industry their phone number and email address. Instead we have 5 guys around the clock posting cointelpro dartboard talking points killyouself
>>2596124
>guy who repeats himself ad nauseam for months on end derailing every conversation in the exact same way therefor making this thread unbelievably boring every single day is actually le interesting
>>2595803Russia has launched 12k missiles at Ukraine since 2022.
Zionist are going to exploit this Australia shooting by shilling Israel over it and spam it everywhere. Can't let a tragedy go to waste
>>2596117>this place was at least better before felix existeddude jizzed on a pic of putin and doxxed himself. lolcows gonna lolcow. cope about it
>>2595803>Russia can hardly launch half that at Ukraine.both Russia and China can outproduce the USA in terms of military hardware. for all the money burgers throw at the MIC most of it gets skimmed by grifter contractors.
>>2596129it doesn't really fit the bill for the vibe of "lefty" pol though. Being a leftist place, there is a sort of atomic center of assumed anti-sadism. In any other place there would be people taking advantage of his insanity and driving him to do more retarded things eventually leading to a mass shooting, but because the population here is legitimately commited to fundamentally not being pieces of shit, we try to reason with him every day to see if he'll eventually go to a psychiatrist lmao
>>2596117>first im not that anonhow convenient
>and second this place was at least better before felix existed.that's a completely different argument than "hurr durr this is discord now"
shit unironically a discord wouldn't have to deal with the real iron schizo because it's way easier to moderate a discord than a free speech imageboard with tor node support
>Bunch of Jew die
<Sandianon returns
Curious.
>>2596134a leftypol discord would have to be
the worst thing ever to exist
>>2596135reminder
all time sandi anon self own
>you're defending nazis from communists<actually defending nazis is fine as long as I pretend you're jewish while I do it >>2596139
it would be funny to sit in VC with trisomy21anon as he explains in leftist terms why trans people keep committing suicide for attention
leftypol really is the best around 2am to 5am EST. When the EU gets off work this place sucks absolute shit for the rest of the day
>>2596144
he posted a video he had just made a few threads ago let me try to find it
>>2596145so right now? oof.
>>2596134do you want me to record a video showing that im not that anon (the lack of (you) would be proof.
>that's a completely different argument thanwell you were the one who mentioned this
< imageboard user does where he pretends the imageboard which was always dogshit has "fallen" and is now "the same as" some other dogshit part of the internet that he sees as "soy"so I mentioned felix
>>2596153
Explain
>>2596152>well you were the one who mentioned thisbecause I was talking to the anon who was crying how leftypol has "fallen" and has become "like discord"
learn how to follow a conversation dumbass.
>>2596153
all religion is retarded
>>2596153
Idpol
>>2596155and one of the reasons why he probably said that is because discord is associated with person a and person b drama.
And after felix showed up these threads became drama between two known anon fags (cpusa anon and felix)
>>2596158>>2596158>and one of the reasons why he probably said that is because discord is associated with person a and person b drama. no he just complained and didn't bring that up at all
>And after felix showed up these threads became drama between two known anon fags (cpusa anon and felix)nygha you are making this conversation about them. and you aren't even the original anon complaining (allegedly)…
>>2596159well he had to complain for some reason and usually when people complain about discord its usually the person a and person b interpersonal drama.
But yeah maybe im just expecting him having an actual reason when he doesnt have one….
>>2596158it's less about cpusanon himself and felix, and more about the CPUSA the literal century old institution and felix himself, who wants to kill every member of CPUSA to free the american proletariat from their wicked grasp
*yawn*
>>2596165free felix
oppose anti-felix slander
>>259616066 subs, approx 90 views per vid
how the fuck do you know the existence of this channel jeeeeesooos
>>2596153
<(Rule 12 - low-quality reactionary content)
mods = gods
>>2596136
Small scale guerilla tactics alone wont bring down an imperialist power. Everything he says is bad messaging that actively lowers any possible support he might get. Thus he will make any little guerilla group he does somehow cobble together even more likely to fall flat on their face. Even if everything he says is true (it's not) he's still too autistic to simply lie about it to get American support and give a bigger chance of winning.
Utilitarian when it comes to killing Americans but suddenly moralist in everything else shows he is either flawed in his mind or a fed.
>>2596169like I said he just casually dropped his channel in here 2 days ago like he was a regular or something and it tickles me
>>2596173He's right. This is no different to a nazi discord server sometimes. When the chuds are silenced and we talk about venezeula or the market things settle down but every other time its just chud discussions of billions must die.
>>2596173Yes, he was right
>>2596178why do they always have the most soy voices and choose the most pedo-like cartoon avatars
>>2596181I think he's touched by an angel and on disability
>>2596173you are a faggot. i am correct and no further elaboration is required of me. you are seething because i said so
see
>>2596182funny then that he's talking about haplogroups and autism score in his somali video
>>2596187now do steves dick
>>2596255Funking disgusting
>>2596255won't this make the ice cream turn to slush instantly
>>2596352its true, my ccp cheque cleared just this morning
>>2595992posting this here because this is the more active thread
I need some economic help. How the FUCK DOES MONEY SUPPLY INCREASE.
Assuming theres a set of money, and companies pay their workers with it, how does this money get bigger?
The thing I suspect so far is that banks produce more money, but how do they do that? Like I know banks loan out money from deposits but wouldnt that just be loaning out preexisting money? Or does the deposit remain the same and banks just loan out money that never existed before?
Also once that loaned out money gets deposited back into the bank and other banks (once spent), does that increase reserves? Which allows for more lending? HELP IM CONFUSED
Why are you on leftypol asking these things, they don’t care, you can come to /biz/.
Anyway, money supply, assuming M1, is increased mainly by deposits increasing. Deposits are created when someone borrows money essentially, this creates a credit on the banks balance sheet where you owe them X and a debit into your account where they’ve paid Y. The amount of credit a bank can create (increasing deposits on the other side) is limited by the government, in the US’s case the federal reserves office of the comptroller of the currency, and in particular within their rules it is limited by the amount of high quality assets they own, which are essentially reserves for full value and some treasuries for mostly full value. So if you’re following along, theoretically on one side the federal reserve by controlling the rate money is borrowed at, can control the rate of increase in money supply, and on the other side by the federal reserve controlling the amount of reserves in the system can control the total amount of money supply increase banks can handle on their balance sheet. Reserves are not created by actions from private banks, so borrowing, buying, selling, these can only manipulate an individual banks reserves but cannot change the amount of reserves in the system, reserves are currently created by open market operations from the Fed such as the recent reserve management purchases they announced OR by banks tapping the feds repo facility.
>>2596352Can trump deport these annoying fucks so I don’t have a see another shen yun ad?
>>2596369And I suppose you have a better way to issue reserves into the system? Please do explain I’m all ears
>>2596384SIR!? SIR!? SIR YOU NEED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE WOMENS BATHROOM SIR OR WE WILL SHOOT.
>>2596379>>2596379>brooooo just tie your entire economy to a single commodity that doesn’t even increase industry brooooWhether you know it or not you’re in cahoots with the fundamentalist Muslims who also don’t like trading their oil for dollars and would much prefer to sit on their ass and stay rich.
Additionally to your previous point, inflation in the gold supply over performed CPI for most of QE1, QE2, and QE3.
>>2596177Idk why people care about chomsky's personal associations so much. Just read whatever you find valuable from him, who gives a shit about him as a person, it should be a footnote not the main subject
>>2596389>the fundamentalist Muslims who also don’t like trading their oil for dollars and would much prefer to sit on their ass and stay rich.what?
>>2596391>why yes, I support female genital mutilation and religious monarchiesCringe. Wrong both financially and socially, gold bugs desperate for a leg to stand on I see.
>>2596396What’s unclear about this. The gold standard is pushed by nations who don’t like that they have to actually build an economy to compete, they prefer to get paid for their resources in gold so they can sit on it and get rich, because they can’t compete in data economies.
>>2596400The new prototype BRICS trade settlement currency is partially backed by gold. We are coming for your lunch westoid 😈
>>2596404Very cool, have fun competing against decentralized societies and finding out you’re about 50 years late to this game.
Moot point anyway as both societies are ran by greed and will collapse themselves
>>2596407The west exports debt and the global south exports commodities. I think the gold bugs are gonna be a-OK
>>2596409I see you closed your eyes and didn’t bother to read anything posted, have fun with that
>>2596373he's already doing that with mexicans lol
>>2596420Trump should be a speedrunner. Because he's speedrunning the GOP into being unelectable with these embarrassing tweets.
>>2596409Yes, debts that are being bought by imperial core countries such as…. China
The real third world argument is that the first world is exporting unemployment by restricting purchase of commodities from the Global South. The West purchasing commodities from the Global South is good, all the national development third world leaders like Nehru, Nasser and Sukarno were able to create robust social welfare and build up industrial production because of the commodity boom, and their collapse was closely tied with the decrease in Western consumption after Nixon ended bretton woods and laser focused on China as an economic partner rather than the Third World in general. For God's sake man actually read theory instead of having some smug marvel tier understanding of the first and third worlds
>>2596424pretty sure western commodity consumption has been going up not down
>>2596430Thanks to CPUSAnon.
I saw Goody CPUSAnon with the devil!
>>2596177the glowie-funded MIT chairing anti-leninist anarchist is buddies with the Neo-Nazi and the Israeli pedophile
in other news, water is wet
>Syrian who killed Americans was part of security forces, interior ministry says.
>>2596430Nta but here is a study that challenges that assumption after a quick Google search. The term is "dematerialization" which is very much in line with financialized imperialism. Why increase consumption overall when you can simply shore up income inequality and power concentration through subjugation of the periphery?
Just because gdp is higher in the west doesn't mean they actually consume more materials. Shifting to a more service based economy and restructuring class relations is more than sufficient to maintain hegemony, in fact it's preferred in order to maintain it for as long as possible. Consumption of commodities
accelerates the development of capital, therefore hastening its inevitable obsolescence and eventual socialisation.
But like the other anon says, you have a marvel-tier buzzword understanding of marxian economics so you probably won't even engage with these concepts seriously and instead focus on le epic dunks
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0301420725000054 >>2596442The horseshoe theory exists insofar as the further left or right a person is the more likely they are to be an extremely insufferable cringe ass nay nay baby with an anime pfp
*removes shirt to reveal pectorals with "I am Chinas greatest defender and soldier" tatted in gothic text*
>>2596445whatever you say libtard
>>2596450>>2596450Consumption of what? Is this inflation adjusted? Are these consumptive products the result of productive labor or are they merely service based? You're going to have to put more effort in than that.
>>2596454The other stupid anon said consumption has been falling since the 70s so the burden of proof is on him
>>2596456You asserted the opposite so now you both share the burden, except I stepped in to support it and you posted a weak ass screenshot with no link of a graph that doesn't even address the same concept.
And besides, it doesn't matter because shifting the majority of commodity exchange from the third world to China redirected demand away from those economies, thereby slowing their development just as the other anon said. So his point still stands, and you're still a lazy under-read and overconfident interlocutor
>>2596463>except I stepped inonly after a three minute google search to figure out what we were talking about yeah
>>2596466Judging by how completely nonsensical your "point" is there, it makes me think the main thing blocking your understanding of these economic theoretical points is your own personal willful ignorance and contrarianism. In other words, you don't seem genuinely invested in this, and are kind of just a prick.
>>2596473you hopped in the middle of a conversation with insults so it was never a productive conversation to begin with
>>2596450It's a few whales driving most of that spending. The rich have dramatically increased consumption while the poor are fucked.
>>2596491yes you are correct, the rich have been picking up the extra slack and then some
Reminder: Both Zohran and Trump freely admit that they agree on more than they disagree. The only substantial difference between the two is the precise identity of who they think should benefit from American imperialism
honkoid status?
>>2595637The turd does not fall far from the faggot's ass.
>>2596420America's Most Epic Bacon President
>>2596422For half of America, its not a big, its a feature.
>>2596424Do you happen to have a book or article that goes over this? I'm not super knowledgeable on this and want to know more.
Would be interesting to read more about the rise and fall of these strains of national developmentalism vs the more explicitly anti communist ones like South Korea, Singapore and Mexico
>>2596153
Religion,ethnicity,language,nationality and other things are distractions from class struggle and will be abolished completely when the revolution sparks. Esperanto was the right track and languages shall be abolished. State atheism enforced and reactionary cultural practices abolished and the idea of ethnicity over being a prole shall be erased
>>2596082>Another thing is that the bribe/treatler issue ultimately traced its origin to discourse about reform and revolution. The old Marxists believed that social reforms of the social democrats are essentially bribes to the working class to prevent them from revolting, and the Maoists further connect this to three world theory by saying that those social reforms are funded by imperialist hyperprofit. Of course, if you want to stay consistent in this course, you should definitely say that ALL forms of reform -including better wages, lower working hours, gay rights- in the core are part of the imperalist bribes, rather than merely aiming at the low hanging fruits of consumptive commodities like games or labubusYou simply reject basic propositions of Communism. You defy the most basic Lenin and attribute it to Kautskyites like yourself and also some imagind "Maoists." Gay rights dont come from the blood of third world. The struggle of gays is simple to solve. The struggle of imperialism is complicated. You equivocate these things, So you are treatlerite fascist because you see the expropriation of your treats and the end of system of exploitation the same as pogram against gays. This is because you cling at straws to justify your treats because you are imperialist moralist who cannot face fact.
>>2595753
Anon, he said it. Venezuela knowns that some degree of autarky is necessary and frankly, the opposition only says "it's just Maduro doing Maduro things"
>>2596563this is what a master propagandist of the 21st century looks like
>>2596076>The bribe hypothesis implies that countries where the working classes are not bribed should have revolutionary agitation inside them, which is nowhere close to happening. Wrong. Everything imperialists say is wrong. All Communism is in third world. All revolution is in third world. You are ahistotical imperialist revisionist.
>We can argue that this is because of repressive actions, but then there is no end to repressive action inside the US as well; this is the country where the term glowie comes fromYou say amerika is of the most oppressed nation on earth. This is not actually true. Amerika is the most oppressive nation, but towards the necolonized and not the settlers. Amerikans have legalized settler Communist Party with tens and tens of millions. This is richest nonruling Communist Pary in world. The CPUSA is a landlord settler party that rents out manhattan real estate. Every single goddamn neocolonizer amerikan, even their Communist Party, is oppressor and exploiter bribed with treats.
>>2596570North Korea, China, Cuba and others should really work on pumping out anti burger regime propaganda even just for that shows how this country is ruled by psychotic butchers with an utterly sycophantic media.
Would prevent many people from considering going gusano.
>>2596424Did you mean to say debts that are purchased by other first world economies and their corporations, and accidentally said poor third world countries bought them or what.
https://ticdata.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/slt_table5.html The biggest thing holding back underdeveloped countries from exporting large amounts of commodities to western markets is literally their lack of development and capital, Africa despite being resource rich has for years remained underdeveloped and under invested. It’s expensive to create a government, create corporations, and extract complex resources, which is the point I’m making to the goldbug that he hilariously doesn’t understand why the administrative power of first world data based economies are so efficient and the value they provide. Hence why countries who only have resources and suck at competing with complex economies wish they could get paid in gold instead.
>>2596491This is true and why western economies will collapse under their own weight. You cannot run complex societies and also have massive wealth inequality at the same time, it will cripple your nation.
>>2596519It should be going to the Lockheed Martin center yacht budget instead
>>2595814entryist rage? check
national chauvinism? check
yep, this post is a certified DSSA classic
>>2596175The point is to use a campaign of sabotage and assassination as a stepping stone for a higher level of military activities, not to destroy the government in an of itself.
>>2595819Except that Platner is not even succdem.
It feels like anyone a milimetre to the left of Trump is considered a social democrat in America.
>I'm against oligarchs
>Dude he's the lefts best HOPE
Trump said he was going to attack the "oligarchs" and shit in 2016. He used the same language the Occupy movement did. That is to say, very vague anti-establishment nothings.
The geography of the USA makes it predisposed to Right-Wingness. America must be broken into at least 7 different countries so that one can hope at least 1 of the 7 countries can become succdem. Atleast 2 will be fascist, that I know for sure.
>>2596420I say this with all seriousness: fill every gulag with gamers.
So is there anything the average American can do to help or no
bag status?
>>2596676What flag is on the right
>>2596373There were alot of cases like that happening
Erik Houdini has been arrested on charges of drug dealing and distribution of illegal pamphlets. Our boy needs more than donations, he needs a lawyer.
>>2596699Yes but in this case the Falun Gong is funded indirectly by the CIA and their media is an integral part of US state propaganda.
>>2596669>>2596669https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platformWrong. Platner is your best chance for healthcare, you fascist pig. thats why cpusa loves him
>>2596701>Our boy needs more than donationsWhy? So he can get another tattoo? He can get one for free in prision.
>>2596707Hahaha lumpendini begged for donations to pay for rent and buy food and then got a fucking tattoo
I fucking told you gullible assholes not to enable Lumpens
>>2596702That Afghan shooter was also CIA but treated like shit until he crashed out, just like the Uyghur camp leaker who is getting deported now by ICE.
>>2596579>Would prevent many people from considering going gusano.in a way, even gusanos advance the dialectics. They come here expecting libertad and Свобода for petty-bourgeois aspirants. They get a reactionary hellscape rulle by monopolies. Their disappointment is based on their petty bourgeois delusions, but it is still disappointment nevertheless. They will play their part in the movement that destroys this place from within. Even if that movement is fundamentally petty bourgeois and delusional.
free houdini and free felix
>>2596578If it's all pointless, stop wasting your time posting in English on an American board. You should be organizing the third world revolution instead. And what does a k in Amerika signify?
>>2596702>their media is an integral part of US state propaganda.Is it? USA was giving support to subversive cults for soft power but with the defunding of USAID it seems Trump is pivoting to a more aggressive hard power instead.
>>2596708charity is a bourgeois band aid on a broken system anyway. Charity's the rarity that covers up austerity, I always say. I've given to palestinian charities before and wondered "did it even make it to anyone?" considering Israel blocks humanitarian aid anyway.
>>2596704Has the cpusa even endorsed platner
>>2596719>Is it? Have you heard of the Epoch Times?
>>2596696Some variant of the EU I guess
>>2596727The meme makes zero sense
>>2596422Yknow I do wonder what a post Trump GOP would look like.
So in my lifetime at least I’ve seen two Republican presidents accelerate authoritarianism and preside over a collapsing economy. There was that post that the Bush family wants to reclaim the Republican Party from the Trumps after his term is up, but I don’t think they’ve got the juice for it. In California at least no amount of total Republican collapse has prevented the base from wanting to elect the most psychotic looneys they can. I’m sure JD wants to be the heir-apparent but I don’t think he has the juice either, he’s establishment pretending to be “populist”, he’s just unnerving. Marjorie Taylor Greene might be the closest to matching that genuine populist instinct but at the same time Trump is calling her a traitor and she’s being buddy-buddy with some Code Pink libs.
So what next? I could see the GOP getting their own “Biden” in the form of some establishment politician that no one actually likes but wins the primary purely because of internal chaos in the party. I don’t think they’re actually going to win in 2028 if only because of the sheer incompetence of the Trump admin but how they’ll rally when dealing with such massive internal chaos is anyone’s guess.
>>2596719You dont get to boss the third world man around, crackka
Trumpian slaves in the Pentagon posting Minecraft when Minecraft is an objectively communist game.
>>2596579Wrong. The weakest dog barks the loudest. Communist States have history classes that are scientific and not bourgeois propaganda.
>country is ruled by psychotic butchers with an utterly sycophantic mediaYou say "ruled." This is incorrect. amerika is comprised of genocidal neocolonizer core. You need to be put into a camp so you can study this.
>>2596722They unconditionally support him and his entire kind. They publish this article and video, denying the material fact that they are social fascists, provoked by Platner being exposed more and more as a fascist up until his elektion. They are social fascist because they encourage workers to vote for fascists.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeat-trump-and-maga-vote-as-if-your-life-depends-on-it/watch vidrel. CPUSA thinks they are building united front by voting for fascists. More posts going over Dimitrov Report are warranted to demonstrate how multifaceted the failure of the CPUSA and all dick riders is
>>2596676>China is a heckin dystopiamaybe but they'll invent fusion first, bail global south countries out of their IMF loans, build schools and hospitals, stay ahead of their climate agreement while everyone else abandons theirs, and build more solar panels than the entire rest of the planet combined, and that's more than I could possibly expect out of any other country. If you adjust your standards to match the average, then the bar is so low at this point and they clear it by a lot.
>>2596676>>2596734Lowk if China survives after xi and becomes less authoritarian and more democratic/stops persecution of minorities I’d totally be down to move there.
>>2596712Gusanos are not disappointed at all lmao
They are living their wet dreams in degenerate Miami
Im sure they secretly love Fidel for making their porky dreams possible
Just like uguandan asians love Idi Amin Dada for giving them UK citizenship lol
>>2596734This boards fucking crawling with CCP sympathizers huh. Did you include the Chinese demographic collapse of the next 30 years into this fantasy?
Social Democrats as political movements or individuals are not by definition "social fascists", rather, they cannot do anything except keep the system intact and continue to peruse imperialism because social democracy does not actually challenge the bourgeois mechanisms of state power. You can be a social democrat and be genuinely anti capitalist, but social democracy cannot be genuinely anti-capitalist. This is why it is possible of SocDems and Communists to organise together but 9 times out of 10 they will never organise together. Look at Western Europe and how practically all social democratic parties are just the left of already existing neoliberalism.
>>2596738>if China becomes a liberal shithole Ill move thereDo everyone a favour and move to King Lear's Epsteinian apartment in California
>>2596740>chinese demographic collapsedid you read this from the new york times?
>>2596742Brother im not asking for them to go full neolib, just not be a fucking dictatorship. Is that so wrong?
>>2596740>ccpfederal agent detected
>>2596745Cant wait for Verdun 2.0
No tirailleur senegalais to bail your asses this time
>>2596723Yes. What I'm saying is "integral" suggest more than a badly written tabloid. USA has the MSM and major media companies, they don't need those smaller and undisciplined outfits.
When it comes down to it the Falun Gong is a non-Christian cult and Chinese. American right would rather deal with white Mormons and they don't need them.
>>2596731What's with adding the k? I don't get it.
>>2596745This is not news. Trump has been encouraging nazi-apologists to gain power since like 2016.
>>2596740>This boards fucking crawling with CCP sympathizers huhImagine mah shock?! How dare they???
>>2596747>Is that so wrong?Yes.
>>2596738> less authoritarian and more democraticeven by NATO standards, the US government is now considered less democratic than the governments of Vietnam and China, and the US government has a lower approval rating with both the working class as well as the non-working class population of the the US than the Chinese and Vietnamese governments have with their respective populations…
>stops persecution of minoritiesif you're talking about the "uyghur genocide" that is total slop made up entirely by one guy, Adrian Zenz, a Christian theocrat who says God gave him a mission to destroy China, and bolstered entirely uncritically by western media with zero investigation. Muslim majority nations have sent delegations to Xinjiang and concluded there is no genocide of Uyghurs. The Uyghur population continues to grow. As for the "reeducation." Consider that the USA will bomb your entire family if they think one of you is a terrorist. Meanwhile the Chinese response to US-backed terrorists (ETIM) is to simply educate them and give them jobs. It is entirely disproportional to complain about that as "authoritarian" when the US will go around destroying countries for having "terrorists" that the CIA funded, armed, and sometimes even created in the first place.
>I’d totally be down to move there.Good luck. It's hard to move there.
>>2596747It is wrong to undermine the dictatorship of the proletariat in favour of the democracy for the bourgeois
Erm, long live the Peoples Republic of China? The shining sun of socialism? The undoer of the century of humiliation? The great road and railway builder of the world? The great science of Socialism with Chinese Characteristics superbly building socialism within the material conditions unique to China? Death to the American-enforced Taiwan regime? Socialism by 2050?
>>2596753I would not call China’s dictatorship as one for the working class. They’ve become increasing insulated from the people, not as much as other nations, but still.
>>2596739you're delusional. tons of gusanos are disappionted. they all move here hoping to open successful small businesses but the vast majority of such endeavors lead to failure and bankruptcy. Diaspora communities come here with
individualist aspirations but end up relying on whoever in the diaspora community "made it" by having the biggest crab bucket exploiter mindset. So they end up washing dishes and fixing cars like everyone else.
>>2596757What about democracy for the proletariat?
>>2596747How is China a dictatorship?
>>2596761the class dictatorship OF the proletariat is democracy FOR the proletariat, in the same way that the class dictatorship OF the bourgeoisie is democracy FOR the bourgeoisie. Democracy is always FOR a class, and that class has CLASS DICTATORSHIP. People hear "dictator" and they think "scary" and "authoritarian" because they don't know what is meant by CLASS DICTATORSHIP even though all existing societies since antiquity are class dictatorships.
China operates on the "birdcage" doctrine. The idea is the state is the birdcage and private industry can only generate within the space of the birdcage. The state always has control and can shrink the birdcage but it can never be bigger than its original size, and it has not increased.
>>2596762Brooks no opposition (although granted thats not inherently dictatorial), censors information, suppresses dissent, and maintains pervasive control over society, economy, and military.
>>2596761Dictatorship
of the proletariat (over the bourgeoisie) is already a democracy
for the proletariat.
Just like the current democracy
for the bourgeoisie is a dictatorship
of the bourgeoisie (over the proletariat)
Read Lenin. Ignore Moffin'.
>>2596747you have a lot to learn. all societies are class dictatorships.
>>2596766Who is the dictator?
>>2596744Their own government has started reporting slowing growth already. Cope and seethe all you want
>>2596738lib.
>>2596756>Good luck. It's hard to move there.it's more relaxed now.
also, with the international refugee laws, and the anti-communist persecution on the west, you can file a compelling case for asylum in any of the Chinese embassies.
>>2596765>The state always has control and can shrink the birdcage but it can never be bigger than its original size, and it has not increased.not exactly correect. the birdcage grew under jiang zemin but has shrunk under xi jinping. the birdcage doctrine dictates that the communist party can shrink OR GROW the birdcage as needed, as long as it remains subordinate to the state.
>>2596766all societies are class dictatorships. It's only a matter of which class.
>>2596764Yeah well I think China is currently dictatorship of the bourgeoisie political class due to the party’s rigid control. Im. It asking them to reinvent the whole system just stop doing tactics that led the fall of previous communist projects.
why so many mass shootings recently
>>2596766see this post and watch the video attached:
>>2596756>even by NATO standards, the US government is now considered less democratic than the governments of Vietnam and China, and the US government has a lower approval rating with both the working class as well as the non-working class population of the the US than the Chinese and Vietnamese governments have with their respective populations… >>2596778Really? I felt like it's been a slow year. Isn't this like the first big one of the year?
>>2596775I give massive props to the USSR and China for not having a single hereditary continuation of power. In the case of the USSR, many of them were retards but at least their kids didnt succeed them. They were not even commissars. I respect that. You're already provileged when papa is the big leader anyway, you can go into any other field. Why make it obvious and follow him one to one
>>2596784Yes but the image problem the DPRK has (it doesn't matter anyway since they've been the convenient scapegoat for the past 20 years) is that Kim is like an honorary figure who has a high position mainly because he's the descendent of the great revolutionary leaders of the past. Not a monarch, but a revolutionary figurehead. It's not the best idea.
>>2596781>>2596779I know its /usapol/ but a mass shooting just happened right after the one in the uni. So many shootings
>>2596782It was based when stalin was like "fuck that kid" when his son was captured by the nazis and they wanted to trade him for some high ranking general or something
>>2596789>It's not the best idea.It's served them well enough no?
>>2596740>Did you include the Chinese demographic collapse of the next 30 years into this fantasy?This is the dumbest neolib talking point ever. Even under capitalism the economic costs caused by population decline can be offset by the infrastructure investment and technological advancement.
>>2596796Juche has worked, absolutely. It's just not necessary to have that figurehead any more.
>>2596797the fertility rate issue is older than neoliberalism itself
>>2596766>Brooks no opposition (although granted thats not inherently dictatorial), censors information, suppresses dissent, and maintains pervasive control over society, economy, and military.Good, the right should be censored and suppressed at every turn.
>>2596787I suppose political and military elite would be a better term then
>>2596789>it doesn't matter anyway since they've been the convenient scapegoat for the past 20 yearsAmerica cut Korea in half arbitrarily and imposed a military dictatorship in the 40s and forced them to speak English, America put Syngman Rhee in power, America cancelled the results of elections if they didn't like the outcome, America accused "North" Korea of "invading" "South" Korea while militarily occupying Korea and cutting it in half, America dropped more bombs on Korea in the early 50s than were dropped in the entirety of the WW2, America killed 20% of the "North" Korean population, America committed the No Gun Ri massacre, America destroyed "North" korea's electrical, sanitation, and road infrastructure, America destroyed every city in "North" Korea, America raped Korean women and children on both sides, MacArthur wanted to drop nukes but was stopped thankfully. Then after all was said and done, America continues to occupy "South" Korea to prevent reunification despite "South" Koreans not wanting them there. America has supported right wing dictators like Park Chung Hee, and America has subsidized South Korean capitalism to make Capitalism appear "glorious" and producing a "high standard of living" while suppressing North Korean economic activity with brutal sanctions to make it appear "dictatorial" and producing a "low standard of living" despite "North" Koreans having to rebuild EVERYTHING from scratch with almost NO OUTSIDE HELP. Then America has the audacity to complain about the "cult of personality" around the "Kim Family" While constantly electing Bushes and Clintons, and printing money with dead slave owners on it.
Give me a fucking break.
>>2596804I mean, I guess. I just don’t think suppressing voices besides fascist conservatives is that healthy for a society imo.
>>2596770It really depends on who controls what.
Xi represents the "centre" of the CPC. He's been trying to balance the desires of the New Left and those who believe the opening up policy is nowhere near done for like 13 years now. I think he's doing a good job.
>>2596802Is it really even an issue? If China has a 1 billion population 30 years form now instead of 2 billion it's won't destroy their country, they will just have less people.
>>2596797And you suppose the west imports millions of laborers a year because they are bleeding hearts?
>>2596812When your entire economy is based on having a large population that you force into cheap labor for exports, yes that does tend to be a problem
As much as it upsets ultras. Yes, China, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea and Cuba are all socialist countries.
Venezeulas a trickier one since private property is enshrined in their constitution - but it is a genuinely progressive system worthy of support.
>>2596816The main issue is the vanguard is supposed to be a transitional organization, it actively betrays the working class the longer it consolidates power.
>>2596812>Is it really even an issue?Not for China no, it's gonna take a few decades until the population problems become noticable. For Europe and America though its an existential issue
>>2596821I know this might be upsetting to you anon but communism is never going to happen in our lifetimes. Even in the 1960s East German schoolchildren were told the possibility to create a stateless society might happen in 1000 years. Maybe. This is an extremely long goal direction for future generations we are fighting for, once the whole of humanity is united.
>>2596826>communism is never going to happen in our lifetimeslenin in 1916 be like
>>2596814West has an economic system that needs to make profits so they chase after short term gains through immigration instead of planing for the long term.
>>2596817Thus proper infrastructure investment and technological advancement will change the structure of your economy to offset population decline.
>>2596828He didn't achieve communism. He built a socialist state with a communist party at the helm.
>>2596810What? Give me a practical example. Who controls China?
>>2596826I understand that, but I just don’t know if more authoritarian practices is the way to go about it.
>>2596832I can settle for that
>>2596835I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just saying the vanguard party must continue to be the vanguard until capitalism is crushed.
Isn’t this meant to be /USApol/?
>>2596834Lets put it to you this way, nothing else has worked. The USSR, DDR and Czechoslovakia were the finest socialist states created so far. The Soviet schizophrenia around countries opening up too much might have been a stretch too far. Maybe if the countries were allowed to liberalise socially maybe the colour revolutions of the 80's wouldn't happen. But when Gorby tried to liberalise the economy was so corrupt no treats would be able to deter the growing anti-communist resentment in the USSR.
>>2596840this is the best conversation this general has had in weeks
>>2596842>Maybe if the countries were allowed to liberalise socially maybe the colour revolutions of the 80's wouldn't happen. But when Gorby tried to liberalise the economy was so corrupt no treats would be able to deter the growing anti-communist resentment in the USSR.China and the CPC proves the opposite is true. If Gorby only liberalized the economy while clamping down on nationalist tendencies then the CCCP would still be in charge and the USSR would still exist. Perestroika was survivable and reversible, Glasnost was a complete disaster.
>>2596860China is at the position it is today because the country was in a rough shape in the late 70's and because they clamped down on the corruption they knew market liberalisation would cause. China went through similar issues Russia did in the 80's and 90's with corrupt party officials looting industries and large plots of peasant-used land. It's only in the last 20 years that China has made it almost impossible to be corrupt, or else face long prison sentences or even death. If the USSR did that to the people who secretly made deals with the Russian underground crime syndicates who dominated Russian 90's life then maybe there would still be a USSR.
>>2596801Maybe not anymore, but so far it's been a decent strategy. I don't know if it would have been better for them to go the non Kim route early on
>>2596830>so they chase after short term gains through immigration instead of planing for the long term.Very poor understanding of investment, doesn’t suprise me. And you suppose China is planning for the long term by destroying their health and using them for hard labor, but importing the best and brightest to corporate America is short term. Very short sighted talking point
>Thus proper infrastructure investment and technological advancement will change the structure of your economy to offset population decline.I’ll believe it when I see it. Currently China still has an emerging consumer economy, and their economy is mainly goods based export economy. Of course if you view investment as “short term profit taking” you wouldn’t understand why a data economy is preferable
>>2596864Crime syndicates and corruption are nothing to a strong state. Strong state is like a strong immune system it can tolerate bacteria and prevent infection even if it's not ideal. Glasnost fatally weakened the state itself allowing the bacteria to cause gangrene.
>>2596866> And you suppose China is planning for the long term by destroying their health and using them for hard laborYes. Building railways and factories might hurt the workers in the short term but in the long term they now have the real railways and factories that will bring up the entire economic system as a whole. After everything is built they can then reform and improve worker treatment.
> importing the best and brightest to corporate America is short term.Majority of immigrants in the west are low end laborers…
>I’ll believe it when I see it. Even according to you they have at least 30 years.
>a data economy is preferableHumans live with food, shelter, and healthcare not data. Data economy is pointless without the foundations of the real economy to address human needs.
>>2596782>I give massive props to the USSR and China for not having a single hereditary continuation of power. In the case of the USSR, many of them were retards but at least their kids didnt succeed them. They were not even commissars. I respect that. You're already provileged when papa is the big leader anyway, you can go into any other field. Why make it obvious and follow him one to oneNothing is inherently wrong with inheritance of leadership in a socialist country if it is the will of the people.
>>2596768>>2596774I can appreciate the criticisms of bourgeoise democracy but come on now. There IS value in being able to have your voice be heard with the freedom of speech and democracy either way.
Chile is turning to the far Pinochet right btw. Surprisingly, the communists aren't actually doing THAT bad considering there's only 2 candidates now.
>>2596842The Soviet "schizophrenia" was entirely justified and the only reason why the bloc failed is that they didn't go far enough. The USSR was one of the best functioning states in the world, there was no corruption and then Khrushchev came in and re-implemented capitalism while loosening party discipline and freeing all the fifth columnists from prison. It's not a surprise that the state collapsed, the Communist party was full of opportunists many of whom (Gorbacuck) were active enemies of socialism. Gorbacuck was mad because his Kulak grandparents were correctly liquidated by Stalin and he set about to destroy the USSR because of it.
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>>2596967 >>2596820I genuinely did not know about Venezuela's communal councils until last week, that's lightyears ahead of burgerdom where much of this kind of work gets laundered through non profits
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