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>>2598033Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet 568 posts and 127 image replies omitted.>>2599808This thread is now a /vg/-tier general full of obscure inside jokes and eccentric posters.
wassup you stupid fucking treatlers
>>2599824it was so nice without your snob left com presence here
I guess all good things must come to an end
>>2599829If the means of production were owned by the workers and what they produce was distributed evenly this would indeed be the case. Too bad we instead feel the need to starve tens of millions of people within our own country to make five guys even richer
>>2599829What are you saying chagos poster?
>>2599594Embarrassing concession to the argument Chagos poster, a sad sight to see
did you know thailand sends teams out to foreign countries to arrest and kill exiles who talk shit about the monarchy
>>2599843What argument? I see no argument at all.
>>2599861Genuinely the most depressing way to get in and the depressing way to get out
>>2599854Is Thailand the place with the king that wears crop tops and looks like a twink?
>>2599865Yes, that one. Thailand is just a bizarre imperial germany.
>>2599841People get imprisoned for reading books. Nice try fed
>>2599856The one about how colonialism is primary cause of capitalism through primitive accumulation and the practical example given. You're cheekily ignoring/disregarding it, but it just looks like concession and cope from where im standing. Again, it's sad to see
>>2599872There was no primitive accumulation in colonies
>>2599878That's not an argument
>>2599872I linked the Cockshott video which explains things clearly. Just take 10 minutes of your hyper precious time and clarify your mind.
>>2599879You didnt show how there was primitive accumulation in colonies. You dont even know what primitive accumulation is.
>>2599880I didn't see that because it was not in the reply chain lol
>>2599881Im genuinely asking how there was not. Im not the anon you were arguing with
>>2599886There just wasnt, okay?
Who are the Turtle Island Liberation Front? Whole thing sounds like an entrapment scheme to me.
>>2599890The immediate future of anyone who puts trust in Aluminum Frederick and "forms an armed body of the proletariat" under his supervision.
Before anyone claims otherwise, this is not to say you shouldn't. Just dont fucking talk about it on a public internet forum. OPSEC is a real thing
>>2599881>>2599888>>2599875>>2599878didn't European colonial rule destroy India social and productive organizations (a.k.a.
the historical process of divorcing the producer from the means of production. It appears as primitive, because it forms the prehistoric stage of capital and of the mode of production corresponding with it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch26.htm)?
>>2599596you are confusing colonialism with slavery. it's ok, you are not a smart person. you cry that Africans shouldn't be crying tears for their colonialized rule.
>>2599904that's interesting to hear the inside baseball on that. I assume that's also Molotov speaking there.
>>2599906>african tearsyeah you are a sentimental moron, I know.
I am definitely not taking anti-colonial lessons from you, Funko-addict.
Colonialism played a huge role in European capitalism, no doubt. But it was not the primary factor. European class struggle, European bourgeois dominance over the European working class, which grew directly from European bourgeois rule are the driving forces for European capitalism. Simple as.
I am not an American narcissist who places his 'suffering' and 'oppression' in the centre of everything.
honkoid status?
>>2599914Yeah that's Old Molotov. Read Molotov Remembers. It's highly informative. And you also see the gulf between these Old Bolsheviks and modern 'communists'. It becomes clear why they moved mountains and rivers and why we shitpost on the internet.
>>2599912Marx disagrees:
>England has to fulfill a double mission in India: one destructive, the other regenerating the annihilation of old Asiatic society, and the laying the material foundations of Western society in Asia.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/07/22.htm>laying the material foundations of Western society =laying material foundations for capitalist production.just if it isn't clear what
laying the material foundations of Western society means.
>Funko-addict. the funny part of all the exchange with the race traitor is that he assumes I am American since post one:
>>2599481,
>>2599499,
>>2599521, (all me) etc.
I am not, lmao.
>mfw >>2599935You are spiritually American.
>race-traitor Guten Abend Herr Hitler, wie geht's?
>>2599935No prmitive accumulation mentioned. You are making it up.
>>2599593not all colonies laid the foundations for capitalism by securing raw materials, but colonialism
is the source of commodity procurement that capitalism needed to develop.
your weird syllogism is like seeing a white dog on the street and you assume all the dogs are white.
>>2599906>>2599935Wait, so, proletarianizing peasantoids IS primitive accumulation?
>You are spiritually American.liberal nonsense.
>speaks in German>imbbbblying I am an European.poor guy, is lost.
>>2599944>The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of black-skins, signalised the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production. These idyllic proceedings are the chief momenta of primitive accumulation. On their heels treads the commercial war of the European nations, with the globe for a theatre. It begins with the revolt of the Netherlands from Spain, assumes giant dimensions in England’s Anti-Jacobin War, and is still going on in the opium wars against China, &c.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htmhere, as clear as the sun. As I've explained: only through colonialism is that a country like Britain, with no climate to produce tobacco managed to develop an industry that today is largest producer of tobacco around the world.
>>2599955in essence, on a veeery resumed way, yes, but only if it secured specific raw materials to the colonial powers.
>>2599978Raw materials like proletarianized peasantoids who have to work in english factories and opium field i assume
>>2599975I did not call you European, I called you Hitler
>tobaccoyeah Marx is talking about England becoming the largest tobacco producer.
And you can add sugar to that, my country was a sugar producing colony for the Brits in which my ancestors worked in.
But that's about sugar, tobacco etc, not capitalism in general. Colonialism greatly helped capitalism, but did not
cause it.
It's always the retards with a lack of reading comprehension who are the most smug about their (non) arguments.
Capitalism caused colonialism and not vice-versa. Once colonialism started, it then became a symbiotic relationship where they complemented each other.
But to claim that colonialism happened first, and then caused capitalism, is the height of stupidity. Anyone with at least half a brain should understand this. Those who insist on disagreeing are sentimental radlib wreckers who have infiltrated a supposedly communist space to instil poison in the minds of the naive and innocent.
>>2599997oh, hitler surely would have been worried in blaming colonizers for the situation in Africa at the current day. dimwit.
>But that's about sugar, tobacco etc, not capitalism in general. name one industry in Britain that wasn't sustained from the colonial procurement of raw materials during the transition between the colonial power to a capitalist mode of production. and I am talking about when the transition between feudalism and capitalism happened, in the 18th century.
in fact, any other country, you name it. but the condition must be reflected as such:
that such pre-industrial production existed before the change, and also existed after the change.
for every one company that you can bring, I am confident I can bring
1 industry that died because of the end of the rule of a colonized state, where the colonized state gained full sovereignty to deal with its own raw materials.
3 more that existed in a co-dependence state between the colonized states and the now imperialist state (after the colonial rule becomes industrialized that's more
imperialism).
don't try cheap shots like water services.
>>2600033Britain had a capitalist mode of production before colonization. That's what Marx meant by
>The money capital formed by means of usury and commerce was prevented from turning into industrial capital, in the country by the feudal constitution, in the towns by the guild organisation. [3] These fetters vanished with the dissolution of feudal society, with the expropriation and partial eviction of the country population. The new manufactures were established at sea-ports, or at inland points beyond the control of the old municipalities and their guilds. Hence in England an embittered struggle of the corporate towns against these new industrial nurseries.Acquiring money by loot or brute extraction which happened also under feudalism did not result in the birth of industrial capital because the feudal system did not allow it. There is a reason why Marx started with the Dutch rebellion against Habsburg Spain and not with the Spanish empire itself, which despite its vast corvee labour estates in the colonies was basically a feudal society with overlapping jurisdiction and no industry of note
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