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>>2598033Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet >>2598828Felix isn't a fed, he's mentally ill. And yeah he probably should stop doing politics and just get on mood stabilizers and level out for a while.
What we really need to worry about is any of the fedposters here who might encourage his delusions. They have his name and info, now they might want to "nudge" felix into doing some fuck shit to score a propaganda win and crack down on communists instead of just anarchists.
Figure I’d say for the record I’ve got no intention of calling the cops on Felix for being an internet schizo. Only if he starts talking ominously about “the little treatlers at the middle school down the street”
>>2598841Exactly. That is my stance as well. He's a dumbass but he's our dumbass
>>2598842What even happened
>>2598845critical support to the cultists against the opticsfags
>>2598845Isnt this like the third MAGA civil war at this point geg
Reminder to make your daily prayers to Israel.
I wonder how pol is reacting
>>2598853An anon has to get his ass there and bring the funniest screenshots
>>2598857For self defence/2A purposes all you need are the following (assuming you're a burger):
>5.56 semi auto (ideally an AR-15)>7.62 NATO semi auto >12g pump or semi auto>9mm pistolAnything beyond this apart from maybe a backup AR is superfluous.
>>2598810>Y'know it occurs to me that if Felix actually got a concealed carry permit then not only did he likely have to go to the cops for it, but he'd pay around $200 or $300 in processing fees (in parts of Cali these fees can go above $1000)I forgot it's even possible to get a CCW in Cali. That's just since the 2022 court decision that forced them to. Before I heard it was basically impossible. You had to get like personally approved by the sheriff by being buddies with them.
>>2598866Hes going to put his name on the ballots, not as a candidate but as like a header
>>2598866each ballot will have an advertisement for trump steaks
>>2598873That doesn't make any sense? Literally what is the purpose other than I guess branding and advertising? Like no shit the Republicans are sponsored by Trump you dont need to put it on the ballots too
>>2598845>>2598842>>2598844Why is nobody posting it?
>>2598844He's_starting_to_believe.gif
>>2598861
>Claims the Right only won because the Left embraced le cancel culture
<"If you don't pledge allegiance to Israel we WILL cancel you!"
Unironically just gonna accelerate anti-Israel sentiment and hopefully anti-Republican sentiment as well.
>>2598876
You don’t buy guns, register and license them and talk mad shit on the internet. You’ve compromised yourself to a ridiculous degree man.
>>2598880Again I know I shouldn't be surprised at this point but this is kinda psychotic even for his standards. Did he snort a line of crack or something?
>>2598880So is he saying that Reiner's son killed him for Trump? Like is he claiming the son is MAGA?
>>2598887Nah, its a very simplistic thought process
>"Everyone who dislikes me is CUH-RAZY">Rob Reiner disliked me because he was CUH-RAZY>Rob Reiner passed that dislike onto his son who became so CUH-RAZY he murdered his parents because of the sheer derangement Trump's existence causes.>>2598884And again, walked into a police station, gave them his name and address, let them run a background check on him, let them
get his fingerprints then huff "You BUY TTRPG rulebooks? You should've just STOLEN them!"
He paid the cops, he gave the cops his finger prints, and then he acts like he's the head of a guerilla army.
>>2598889Amazingly no, given that the son's political leanings have been identified as MAGA it seems Trump really IS implying that this murder was done on his behalf and that's a good thing
>>2598889He directly funded his local red squad voluntarily
>>2598892
Im 25 and i want a woman in her 30s to ride me, pin my wrists to the bed or maybe even tie me up and inexperience shame me
>>2598892
What I find strange about age gap discourse is that people (especially women) seem to assume that the motivation for older men to date younger women is necessarily predatory, that they want these women because they're easier to control and manipulate. Now that's certainly the case in some situations, but frankly it seems like a far more common explanation is just that they're more attractive. This is of course leaving aside the fact that many people can actually relate to and click with one another despite age gaps and have a perfectly healthy and respectful relationship.
>>2598892
Literally slave owners did it so its okay
>>2598894
I really wonder if Lance will be the candidate in 28. My gut was telling me no before, but they got really no one else.
>>2598898I want to see them run vivek because it would be funny
>>2598901
Bro old school patriarchal bride price marriage kinda of are
>>2598890It amazes me how much people voluntarily sacrifice for what amounts to the embodiment of pure self-interest and graft. People have lost family, friends, children, all for some asshole who thinks its too much of a sacrifice to pay his own lawyers to defend him.
>>2598891>"Yeah I gave the police department $300 to break up socialist orgs, but have you considered you play Warhammer 40k?"Also I'll say I'm pretty sure Guard Players are fairly mellow and its SPESS MEHREENS players that tend to be the most fash, usually some chapter like Black Templars or whatever.
I just like combined arms tactics and I think its more fun to have a bunch of schluppy regular guys desperately trying to hold the line against insane horrors.
>>2598900>The Chinese Communists got their arms legally when they joined nationalist army which they used to build Red Army. Where is your red army, bitch?? You are just seething, fascist pussy who hates seeing armed leftists and compares in futility having gun to having treat.
>Buys treats>Gives cops money and his fingerprints<"N-no you don't get it, this is actually preparation for the Red Army that I'm TOTALLY fighting in!"Yeah and playing Hearts of Iron 4 makes me a general.
>>2598898I think he will definitely be their candidate. Obviously early, but still. Would he win? I honestly doubt it. He lacks charisma. Trump was funny, JD is a fat loser who tweets sanctimonious shit no different than your average fart-smelling libshit. He will have buy-in from big money though, so who knows really.
>Where is your red army, bitch?
Where is yours?
Asking the portland police dept for permission to have a gun?
>>2598896Also women often like older guys so it's kind of a non issue.
>>2598904>SPESS MEHREENS players that tend to be the most fashEven Salamanders players???
>Buys treats>Gives cops money and his fingerprintsTbh I don't think there's really an issue with owning a gun legally. I mean it's better to minimize the number if things that could land you in jail. Frankly if you're in a situation where you have to use it against the cops I don't think it's going to matter much if it's registered. However if you are going to jump through all the hoops, it's definitely best to not play tough guy on the internet lmao.
>>2598906The democrats have a talent for losing so if the reps run jd vance im sure they will find someone even more unlikable then kamala
>>2598906It's really kinda scary if I think about it. Silicon Valley's man in the White House. President Palantir. Maybe he can win with the combined power of all the AIs behind him.
>>2598910Its more that reif doesnt measure up to his own standards would be frothing at the mouth if cpusa was doing the same things hes doing
>>2598907>>2598904Just remember everyone. These are DEFINITELY tools of the revolution. These definitely aren't just commodities we're fetishizing for a sense of power.
>>2598910Lol not the Salamanders. I've got a buddy who's super into them; funny enough they're also pretty popular among Black warhammer fans.
Also it's not that Felix owns a gun, it's that he rants about consumerist choices and how everyone else is an imperialist while he's directly funding arms companies and cops. Like I don't give a fuck if you've got a gun, hell if you do good on you, but the second you start throwing some shit about "Well your banana is an imperialist treat" you're gonna get called on the hypocrisy of it.
>>2598914
Yeah if you look into whos married to who its like arranged marriages and political dynasies
>>2598868a .22LR is not a bad thing for a target gun
>>2598914
>Kash gf actually israeli lol
He's living the Indian dream.
>>2598911Certainly true. I see elections as little more than spectacle to be honest. Masters come and go but the chains remain. Sometimes the chain has twelve links instead of ten links, sometimes it has ten links instead of twelve.
>be part of the dsa means you are pro vietnam war because it is descended from a organization that supported the in the 60s
>buying a gun from a company that sold rifles to the idf in the 2000s means nothing
>>2598923
>child in gaza
Rabid jew hater who must die
>open nazi symapthizer
Mearly part of the problem like a littler bug maybe even someone who could be on our side
Its like fine is saying i like you littls nazi why do you need to hate jews you could be a real cool guy
>>2598868>>5.56 semi auto (ideally an AR-15)
>>7.62 NATO semi auto
No need for both. 5.56 is the better overall choice.
>>2598889>walked into a police stationImagine larping as a guerilla fighter but you ask permission to conceal carry, The only reason you do so is to legally carry a gun and why would a guerrilla care about legality in that case?
>gave them his name and address, let them run a background check on him, let them get his fingerprintstbh none of that matters. If he drives, votes or has a bank account the name and address is registered. Background checks do nothing when there is nothing to find. Fingerprints are worthless if you wear gloves when necessary. Of course after they have your prints, it only takes one mistake and it's over.
>>2598927Funny thing is one of Felix's rants from a while ago involved shittalking 3D printed guns as an anarchist psyop and demanding that any serious revolutionary start out by robbing gun stores, which is apparently really super easy. Dont ask why he's never done it
>>2598927>tbh none of that matters. If he drives, votes or has a bank account the name and address is registered. Background checks do nothing when there is nothing to find. Fingerprints are worthless if you wear gloves when necessary. Of course after they have your prints, it only takes one mistake and it's over.Yeah, you have to give them your fingerprints to even get a driver's license in some states.
>>2598927Even dudes who LARP as guerillas, as long as its a self-contained thing I've got no issue if they prove themselves hypocrites, it's when they start lecturing everyone else and insulting them that they need a reality check.
Like a comrade of mine spent some time with the SRA. They went out to a gun range in a
really right wing neighborhood, and the dude wanted his car all decked out with stickers for the SRA and that ANTIFA logo that gets passed around and despite my comrade warning them they were still shocked when their car got keyed.
>>2598928>"Noooo! Don't 3D print ghost guns! Just go to your local police department and ask nicely for your permit!" >>2598928I actually agree with him that 3D printed guns are pretty silly. You can't print the most important parts, so what is the printing doing? You could whittle a gun frame out of wood.
Besides, you can buy "ghost guns" in most states. You can legally buy a gun with absolutely no paper trail in a person to person sale. 3D printing guns is more for those people in those no-funz countries.
>>2598931So he could have just bought a pistol still done the paper work or whatever but just carried illegally
A random hippy girl i met a few years ago did that because she was too young for a ccw and was on a long road trip, mr professional revolutionary should be as brave as a petty bourgeoise hippy girl no?
>>2598933Oh yeah and you can just buy a new barrel and firing pin and there is no way to match bullets to the gun that were fired before you swap them out because those are the two parts that leave any traceable marks on the bullet/casings. Basically, if you shot some bullets in some criminal situation, just smash the barrel and the firing pin immediately and there is no way they can match it anymore.
Use this information responsibly.
>>2598932Treatlerite magione printed a gun
Professional revolutionary felix funded a defense contractor
>muh revolution is a matter of having le gun
>muh revolution is a matter of technical knowledge
>muh revolution is a matter of technological superiority
>>2598935
>militant reactionary
What are some of the militant reactionary beliefs you think I hold?
>>2598940You want the volk enriched through imperialkst plunder or something like that
did i saythe line right >>2598941You could in theory electro chermical machine the barrel
>>2598876
According to marx working class must be armed with nukes, missiles and tanks, jets, aircraft carriers. Tiny puny shitty little gun is a joke
>>2598902>Slavers did this so if you do that you are literally a slaverAnother key aspect of medieval patriarchal society is reciprocity due to lack of a money economy so if you do something mutual aid should also be a patriarchal relic
>>2598927My whole thing is you don’t post about crimes you’re doing. It’s like being one of those dumbasses that googles how to bury a body. Also you don’t organize a militia over the internet or endanger your comrades if you are organizing by bragging about it. I would bolt from Felix the moment he showed up as part of a crew. Dudes way to sloppy and hot headed, will get everyone stitched up and turn everyone over at the drop of a hat.
>>2598944Yeah you can machine the barrel the same way that the manufacturers if you have access to CNC tools. Alternatively I guess you could just grab a pipe and make a slam bang. People in the hood have been making zip guns forever.
But all this 3D printed stuff is always built around already existing gun models. It's basically like just 3D printing a body kit for your car.
>>2598946Its not patriarchal relic. It is monkey brain instinct
>>2598880Because I don't give a fuck about twitter e-celebs like donald whoever. Probably a booj grifter.
>>2598947Fentanyl pretty much already has been used as a mass weapon of destruction. But it ain’t Venezuelas fault it’s the sackler family and the CIA we already know the CIA is selling drugs in this country. They wiped out entire towns with the opioid crisis. We did the opium wars to ourselves.
There is a silent movie from 1920 wherein a golem which bares an uncanny resemblance to Donald Trump, is commanded by a jewish wizard who bares an uncanny resemblance to young pictures of Jeffrey Epstein. By the end of the film, the Epstein wizard uses the golem to murder the film's white male primary character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6dvWPN8OMA [Open]
That this film exists, in my opinion, is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
>>2598896Yeah this. Of course there are many scummy men who want younger women because of the imbalanced power dynamics which is why anons like
>>2598897 connected it to slavery (ofc this betrayed a liberal Fukuyamaist mode of thinking because that anon see things in terms of individual choices rather than political economy, and patriarchy is seen in how you choose to behave rather than the society around you) but fundamentally ppl just became uglier the older they are. Not just women but also men, a lot of us here are men in our 30s and we probably used hormones to keep ourself from balding and have to make a conscious effort to not hunch because that gives you bad posture. It is what it is
³>>2598946
Im not calling it slavery because slavers did it (altough as a leftist it should strange to say soemthing is okay because slavers did. It)
Most of tue marriages you point to are an involuntary relationship where on of the parties is deprived of an extreme amount of personal autonomy to finalize a buisness deal, the term bride price is very telling
>>2598956I didnt bring it up in that post but cockshott calls wives an opressed class, and goes into detail in the history of labour how both the patriarchal control of women, matrimony and the instution of marriage along with class society emerged in thousands of years between the 1st agricultural towns and the slaver empires of antiquity
>>2598949Well some guns like the. Fg9 have nongun metal parts but yeah
>>2598967I meant no metal parts that were purpose built for making a gun just tubes and stuff
>>2598972
>>2598972
Thats makes sense but you cant do that and act like you are the 2nd comming of jeo slovo
>>2598976
That's circular reasoning comrade.
>>2598972
> i wouldnt get caught i will go out fightimg unlike those collaborators such as ho chi minh, kamo, che and felix
> cpusa anon i will kill your reacionary rich boy
> we must take arms like MK
<i cant do that thats a felony
>>2598981
Joe slovo didnt fun the south africa police servoce voluntarily either
Communist Internationale, 1921
>Communists make an enormous mistake by pointing to the Communist programme or the armed struggle as excuses for passivity, scorn, or even hostility to workers’ current struggles for small improvements in their working conditions. No matter how small and modest the demands may be that the workers now pose for struggle against the capitalists, this is never cause for the Communists to stand aloof from the struggle. Of course, our agitation should not give the impression that we Communists blindly instigate unwise strikes or other rash actions. However, among the workers in struggle, the Communists should always earn the reputation of being the most competent comrades-in-arms.
Maoist First Worldists, 2025
<actually the workers are petite bourgeois reactionaries who just want treats at the expense of the rest of the world if they demand anything less than immediate violent revolution and it is our job as communists to let them know that they're evil and will be killed in the coming revolution!
waow
>>2598984
There is no benefit to carrying threatening to kill randos on the internet and their could be huge drawbacks
>>2598936polygonal rifled barrels are actually also incredibly difficult to identify forensically.
>>2598996Huh my mistake maybe a new model has 0 fier arm parts
felix could have bought a chinese airsoft gun instead of enriching a defence contractor Do you nerds really think you should abstain from voting when you have an alternativ? Do you not realize how easy it is to get a ballot in the united states? They literally cannot deny you unless you're a felon. The repercussions for carrying an illegal political action is an instant felony plus enhancements on anything else you got caught doing. The juice is not worth the squeeze in this situation.
>>2599000
Not this website specifically. Just some general advice.
Brb paying my ccw fees to they can fund the portland red squad
>>2599009
I wouldn't get caught because I'm built different
Getting a permission slip from my local bourgeoise police force to carry a gun
Threatening anons on leftypol
>>2598972
>Why do something illegal when you can fund the cops?
What happened to legal and illegal tactics big guy?
honkoid status?
>>2598972
We are not talking about having weapons for legal self defense but your illegal small guerilla strategy. If your guerilla group RAFs fascists you wont be normally carrying those guns on you because it can be traced. If you get into a shootout with the Imperialists a CCW is worthless.
>>2599000
Maybe not now but leftists better get ready.
>>2598998I guess you could order it and just chance it. The Chinese don't give a fuck and will ship it to you. I heard those glock switches every gangbanger has now, they're just getting buying them from China. These are very iwegal in the US but you can still buy them and hope the shipment doesn't get caught.
>>2599003They are using springs purpose built for firearms for a reason.
>>2599020
Did you pay a processing fee for the ccw if yes then you funded the cops
>>2599025
>>2599025
Goal of hurting the state
You paid the police for a good boy stamp of approval shut up
>>2599028
Never voted for the democrat not apart of the dsa or cpusa i just think youre full of shit
>>2599021As with buying anything illegal. Most of those websites are scam. Us USAnos can buy all the buffer springs we want, but no reputable bussiness will ship to somewhere where those springs are illegal.
>>2599028
I just think its funny that you think its fascist to buy a banana at store but okay to give money to company that sells guns to the military and police
>>2599025
>”I HAVE to pay the cops for my super special gun certificate.”
>tells people to blow up factories
>wont walk around with a gun under his coat
I funded the sherrif
But i did pay the deputy….
Sherrif john brown always liked me for whati do not know
I would always pay my fees on time saying thanks for the permit bro
Thanks for the permit bro
I say i funded the sherrif but i did pay the deputy
>>2599036
>guys blow up a factory
>thats illegal i cant carry a gun with out paying a cop man
>>2599009
>fines when I get caught carrying an illegal 3d printed zip gun
You don't everyday carry ghosts. Only carry them when you intend to use them and immediately trash them afterwards. If you got caught fines would be the least of your problems and a CCW wouldn't protect you.
>posting shit in the hot son
<i paid the law and the law won
<i paid the law the law won
>>2599042
>>2599042
Ive met hippie girls who pack illegally but you mr professional revolutionary find it too risky
>>2599042
Blowing up a factory is also illegal but you want other people to that
You said mamdani is a selloit for not telling people to shootat ice but you wont carry a gun with out a permission slip signed with daddy odonnel
Your not wrong about the detail that carrying a gun illegally is risky you are just full of shit about everything else
I come back after 3 hours and we're still shitting on Felix for properly filing a gun license so he can start the revolution
>>2599054
It's just kinda hypocritical how you demand others sacrifice themselves before you do anything considering you like to LARP as the only real communist, I figured you would have picked up on this by now.
>>259905 you also said that only collaborators get.taken alive which makes ho chi minh a collaborator the fact that you will never taken alive means that you think you are more badass braver and more dedicates than ho chi minh
Again with you delusiona of granduer
>because they're just going to kill you anyway.
So why are you worried about being charged with a crime
>>2599048
>>2599046
Does it make you mad that hippie girls in their 20s are braver than you?
Like seriously you've been here for literal months first urging people to bomb factories and then telling them they need to form an army to wage war on the state, condemning people as Nazi collaborators for so much as suggesting they start out by doing anything less than shooting at the cops. Yet you yourself refuse to do anything because you need our corpses to be the cobblestones that pave the way for your Bolshevik middle management fantasies and when confronted by your own lack of initiative meekly appeal to legality
I love this place
>>2599051
I though you said the American state is Nazi? If the American police arrest you will you comply or not?
>>2599054
fyi firebombing weapons manufacturers is a crime. That post can be used by police as proof of criminal conspiracy. You have been giving police a reason to put you away already.
>>2599063
Where as you are stupid AND cowardly
>>2599063
Posting all day about how you're totally going to kill some random grocery store worker however is real praxis I take it?
>>2598977Thanks for the vid link, watching now.
Reminder USA is NOT fascist.
>>2599044
7.62 is necessary because it allows you to engage and return fire on opponents using higher calibre or belt fed weapons like a SAW. This is why the Soviets developed the SVD and issued it at the squad level. American infantry squads of the period carried M60s as their squad machine gun and it severely outraged the Soviet RPK, while the PKM was only deployed at the platoon level. Americans don't carry 7.62 machine guns anymore but they do carry M249s which have an effective range of up to 800m, well beyond what you'd get out of a 5.56 rifle. Since you can't own a belt fed machine gun a good battle rifle is the next best thing. Shotguns don't really have much military application beyond house clearing but are good self defence tools.
>You should know, babykiller.
I do know, and clearly you don't you absolute clown.
>>2599069M60 was platoon level and PK was company level tho
>>2599072
And to you the only acceptable way to organize an army is to demand everyone immediately wage protracted war against the state, guns a blazing. The only reason why you're pretending to be against that now is because whenever you receive pushback on your fedposting you move goalposts like a coward
>>2599072
There is US army tho
>>2599078
God you're such a whiny melodramatic bitch you know that?
I would never to that its too risky
But i would post identify details about who i am on the intenet the fact that i own a gun, and muitiple threats including some explicit death threats along with where i live so it would be easy for any anon to know the exayjurisdiction where to send the red flag complaint, to gain nothing but tough guy internet points but hey i pay my fees on time
>>2599072
>Brb seeing if the local mutual aid group has a tank or maybe some nukes
Imagine, just imagine thinking of applying tactics of bourgeois warfare to revolution. Holy shit!
>>2599083The felix funded red squad brought them down
One doesnt make a revolution. Mods, permaban these voluntarists.
>>2599078
Having the ability to shoot back is essential even if you're not going to be sticking around for a protracted fight. In fact its actually pretty important to be able to return fire while you're disengaging. It's why they developed tactics like the Aussie Peel.
>Of course, you don't understand this because you were taught how to slaughter villages full of Afghans
Interestingly enough my training involved very little counterinsurgency stuff. It was pretty much all focused on conventional conflict against a peer adversary.
>>2599083I remember talking about forming a mutual aid group to protect immigrants who go to the food pantry in my locality and Felix got mad because I wasn't simply shooting up my local police station. I guess actually helping people where they're at isn't cool enough for him
>>2599088Yes heres my fees can i have goodbye fire arms treat certificate plox?
>>2599091
Sorry i checked cant do that its illegal
>>2599093What if you applied for a permit?
American settler treatlers are buying guns to join fascist squads in the future. They will terrorise the workers movement and the us government will turn a blind eye to it.
Notice how Felix for all his posturing never actually practice what he preaches? The job of the suicidal selfless revolutionary who magically conjures up an army is never his charge, oh no. His job is to spend hours every day on a dying website where everyone hates him calling people Nazis for not immediately doing what he says. He's just better than you, okay? The burden is on YOU to prove your dedication to the cause, he's too important to do something so reckless as break the law and risk tarnishing his record. You on the other hand are literally a Nazi if you're not immediately setting up a sniper nest in your neighborhood and shooting down the police.
>>2599094Still saving for my revolutionary army permit, do think cpusanon could loan my the money after hes just sitting on vast sums he can buy less toy tanks?
CPUSAanon went to a private school and ended up worked in a grocery store?
Man, what a waste…
>>2598830This needs to be the OC for the next 10 threads.
An evolving romance part (1-10)
>>2599097
>You're not going to be shooting at 800 yards though.
They can be shooting at you though, that's the point. If they attack you at a longer range what then? And if they do, you need to be able to shoot back to disengage and make a clean break. I get the guerilla tactic of grabbing the enemy by the belt, but you understand that you don't always get to choose the time and place of an engagement yes? You need to be able to react effectively and extricate yourself from a situation you're unlikely to win.
>Your tactics are built to murder people and occupy their land, not win a war against a force with superior firepower.
Basic small unit tactics and infantry skills are universal.
>>2599100Depending on where you live (especially in the south) private school is pretty much the only way you're going to get a halfway decent education that isn't full of bottom-of-the-barrel propaganda thanks to concentrated efforts to defund public schools. It's a shitty feedback loop that Republicans primarily perpetuate
CPUSA anon is falsifier dengist opportunist? Mods, you know what to do.
>>2599106
This is actually consistent with everything he wrote in this board
His nonchalant attitude about American bases housing bombers in the Indian Ocean proved this to me. Mere 'pet grievances'…
>>2599107whatever the case, a prole cannot go to a private school
What next? The King of England is a prole now?
>>2599103
So is going to lend my communist militia permit money or what?
Grocery store clerk is working class.
Everyone else is calling him retarded and dunking on his hypocrisy, but sabocat continues to engage with him on the merits of his takes on warfare where he is also full of shit
>>2599115The talibán used snipers unpermitted ones too
>>2599118
I broke a weather station are proud of me?
>>2599120Sandi is back?????
>>2598977>synthetic opioidwere they lying abt it being botanicals?
>>2599113
>No at that range they will call in fire support and crush you
Yes, which is why you need to disengage as quickly as possible, which requires defensive suppressing fire for a maneuver like an Aussie Peel, which requires you to actually be able to hit them.
>If you are fighting at long ranges all you can do is suppress the enemy, which you can do with 5.56
No you can't. You aren't going to even be able to suppress an enemy beyond maybe 400-500m with 5.56. Maybe a bit farther with a whole squad. Meaning that there's a 300m gap in which a US infantry squad could engage and pin you with their 249s, and if you don't at least have a DMR you won't be able to do anything about it.
>You think your tactics are universal and yet only NATO soldaten use them
This is literally basic fire and movement that every army in the world has used since WW2. This is why communists should get actual military training, so they don't go around saying retarded shit like this.
Amerilards playing pretend with their guns is funny
>>2599126Stop mom they are tools
>>2599112He says they got a discount i know someone who went to private school because she got a scholarship ship
>>2599125I find it interesting that Felix just confidently asserts bullshit with nothing to back it up when he's not just insulting you, yet you still go through the trouble of actually dismantling his arguments only for him to make another bullshit assertion with no evidence and another series of insults. You've certainly got more patience than most of us
>>2599112No idea about CPUSA but charter schools are government funded private schools that can ignore federal standards often making them worse than public schools.
>>2599125Fighting a US infantry squad is a little bit above basic self defense lol
>>2599126Considering how often shootouts happen it's not pretend.
>>2599134
Yeah probably by this old tactic called waiting and looking
>>2599134
>Be Evan
>Has never had any training at all
>"You didn't get actual military training"
>>2599141You can get all the military training you need by praying to the spirit of Joe Slovo
>>2599106
>his hero deng
deng actually fought in a revolutionary army though
> literally worked the Chinese people to death in sweatshops
the price of preventing WW3 and de-industrializing the empire which was their biggest threat. Now they are pretty much the most advanced country on Earth, the US power is waning, China is ascending, the vast majority of Chinese approve of their government, and the vast majority of global poverty reduction since the collapse of the USSR occurred in China. They are building up cities, they are building up productive forces, they are building high speed rail, they are responsible for 95% of solar panels produced on the planet, many of which they give away for free to countries like Cuba, they bail global south countries out of their IMF loan debt to get them out of the US structural adjustment programs which demand privatization, they are 9 years ahead of their paris climate agreement while the US has abandoned the climate agreement entirely… if you hold them to the average standard, they are way beyond it. If you hold them to an imaginary utopian standard of ideological purity, then yes I suppose it's "fair" to be mad at them. "Birdcage theory" won. "Grasp the large and let go of the small" won. Deng won.
>"ohhh but they have state capital and they make people work"
revisit the manifesto chapter 2
>oh but they're too gradualist
the proletarian revolution abolishes private property gradually, as engels said in principle of communism
>oh but they aren't following leninism perfectly
yeah after 1945 nukes existed. now drone sand face recognition tech exist. nobody's storming winter palaces with mosin nagants anymore. nobody is semi feudal anymore. get over it. it's a doctrine of evolution, not dogma, as engels said. i quote non-dogmatically in favor of reassessing material conditions and doing what actually fucking works.
Let's look at the stats, I've got the facts
My money like Lizzo, my pockets are fat
Homie, I'm epic, don't be a WAP
Dawg, it's a yarmulke, homie, no cap
Look at the graphs, look at my charts
You're blowing money on strippers and cars
You're going to prison, I'm on television
Dawg, no one knows who you
>>2599146absolutely fucking BTFO
americans and israelis unironically need to be genocided
>>2599146that second image comes from a book which claims deng went against mao
>>2599153
>CPUSAnon wants for America what they have in China
Based??
>>2599154and deng was removed again in 1975 and 1976. (But of course never trully purged because mao still wanted him back)
>mao was deng's greatest enableryes, this is the greatest irony about mao. mao and deng had some differing beliefs but mao just kept bringing deng back.
It's so crazy that felix is anti-china. He really doesn't know what he wants lol
>>2599153
In China they have way more prosperity, and they've done that without doing a single war in 50 years. If America could be more like China, the world would be a way better place. China is producing 95% of the world's solar panels and pursuing fusion energy relentlessly. Nothing is more necessary for climate change than that.
>actually we need a global revolutionary war to fight climate change
no and also do you know how much munitions pollution and carbon emissions would happen in such a war? Imagine Ukraine War x 100 and then we all have to rebuild the productive forces afterwards from scratch rather than just moving to renewables. Sorry. It's not 1917 anymore. It's not even 1949 anymore.
>>2599160This is only because Felix is more communist and left wing than China, Vietnam, and Cuba combined. He sees what they never could
>>2599158It's almost like he's a federal provocateur and thus deliberately holds contrarian and contradictory views
>>2599164No he's a real person for sure lmao
>>2599153
So you're saying China is not killing the world then? Maybe we should do China in America.
>>2599166Federal agents are also "real people" and they frequently recruit from people who are already embedded in radical spaces
>>2599168I know you want it to be cooler than it actually is, but it's not lol
>>2599169There's nothing "cool" about being a federal agent provocateur, I for one would literally rather die than work for the feds to entrap wouldbe comrades
send me the dengscroll
Hes just a man with a permit
>>2599170that honestly has to be the most fedpost of fedposts you've ever made. You completely changed my mind with the way you worded that
I reported something illegal on Siberia like 10x 5 hours ago and mods have left it there.
>>2599163
>China had a massive civil war that lasted almost 100 years,
Yes. That is why He Zhao Said:
<If private property, money, abstract value production, class society, and the state, are abolished prematurely, when the oppressive logic and power of capital still controls the entire world, China would become vulnerable to both external imperialist violence and internal reactionary sabotage (no doubt under the banner of “democracy”). The Communist Party would be immediately compromised by foreign backed elements; the country might be torn apart once again by civil war, and once again subjected to imperialist domination. The Chinese revolution, what so many millions fought, worked tirelessly, and sacrificed their lives for, will have been for nothing.
<Marxism is anything but rigid and dogmatic, and has always been about adapting to the ever changing objective conditions of each era, using what ever is available toward revolutionary goals. The opinion of those baizuo who think that China should have chosen the disastrous course of action described above, or at least remained underdeveloped, poor, and weak, in order to satisfy their fundamentalist interpretation of Marxism, should not be indulged. These myopic and short-sighted “left com”, “ultra-left”, or modern “Maoist” types love to denounce modern China as a betrayal of socialism, without considering that it is the failure of the Western left to do successful revolutions in their countries which made it necessary for existing socialist states to adapt to the global conditions of entrenched neo-liberal capitalism.
<Those who think that 1.4 billion people, who for 200 years suffered so immensely under vicious colonial rule and brutal capitalist domination, will so quickly forget what their true enemy is, don’t know much about capitalism, colonialism, or people.
(He Zhao, The Long Game and Its Contradictions, 27th October, 2018)
you fucking idiot. It was so destructive it took them another 50 years to fully recover.
Yes, that's why I said
<no and also do you know how much munitions pollution and carbon emissions would happen in such a war? Imagine Ukraine War x 100 and then we all have to rebuild the productive forces afterwards from scratch rather than just moving to renewables.
I don't want a global civil war that pushes us over the edge w/r/t climate change. I want China to remain stable long enough to invent fusion. That to me makes a lot more sense for our much more delicate ecological material conditions.
<If you think the bourgeoisie are just going to lay down and die, you are even stupider than I thought you were.
You're not going to like this take because it doesn't seem Orthodox to you, but consider this: The slave mode of production wasn't overthrown by spartacus, it was overthrown by the dissolution of the Roman empire. Feudalism didn't rise because of revolution, it came into play gradually over 100s of years. Capitalism didn't replace feudalism overnight, but also appeared gradually. I think Ironically many but not all Communists adhere too rigidly to the theory that modes of production are only overthrown through revolutions. Slavery was not. Feudalism was overthrown through revolution in England and France, but disappeared from Japan in a more top-down fashion:
<The Japanese elite knew their country to be one among many confronted by the dangers of conquest or subjection which they had faced in the course of a long history […] what is perhaps more important, the Japanese elite possessed a state apparatus and a social structure capable of controlling the movement of an entire society. To transform a country from above without risking either passive resistance, disintegration, or revolution is extremely difficult. The Japanese rulers were in the historically exceptional position of being able to mobilise a traditional mechanism of social obedience for the purposes of a sudden, radical, but controlled 'westernisation' […] the 'Meiji Restoration' […] a drastic 'revolution from above' […] The parallelism between Japan and Prussia has often been made. In both countries capitalism was formally installed not by bourgeois revolution [against feudal lords] but from above, by an old [feudal] bureaucratic-aristocratic order which recognised that its survival could not otherwise be assured.
(Eric Hobsbawm, Age of Capital (1848-1875), Chapter 8)
A global war to end capitalism, when climate change is on the precipice, might actually destroy the productive forces in China and other places which are capable of outputting renewable forms of energy, and even set back the invention of Fusion. I insist on this: The invention of fusion, which the Chinese are closest to, is our biggest hope against climate change, not global war, which is the most polluting and destructive event possible.
>>2599170>delusions of granduer>wants half of the people itt to dieYeah the feds would.flip you very quickly
GIVE ME THE DENG SCROLL
>>2599178>you fucking idiot. It was so destructive it took them another 50 years to fully recover. this part was meant to be a greentext quote btw, for those just now jumping in
>>2599177It's really funny how none of them use this website lol.
>>2599170If you wont carry a gun with out a goodboy permit
But want others to do illegal acts and take.
the risk for you why wouldn't you tell everything under pressure?
>it would be illegal to not tell agent the information he wants Like you and causa dead for no reason or a made up reason that only exists in your mind but your going to with stand immense pressure to not inform on him?
>>2599186I don't know why they don't I've been having the time of my life this past week
>>2599185We need to have a cybernet socialism scroll
>>2599191He's just waiting for the rest of us to get our revolutionary army permit
>>2599160>There are no fully pure regimes or systems.Castro was a Berniecrat!?
>>2599186They are wiser than many of us it seems.
No one remembers that Gay Nazi also carries. Not all the time he said but sometimes.
Is carrying gay?
>>2599189
you're allowed to have that opinion. and I don't really care what you think of me. I just want everyone else here to ask themselves the question: If Felix is right, and we only have 50 years to reverse climate change, what is the more likely path to produce success:
A: China keeps making renewable forms of energy like solar panels cheaper, while pursuing fusion, which is abundant non-polluting cheap form of energy
B: "Bourgeois" China and Bourgeois America get into WW3, and there is a huge global war that kills billions, leads to massive amounts of munition pollutions, carbon emissions, and ecological catastrophe, as well as the destruction of the very productive forces capable of producing renewable energy, perhaps nuclear war, and in the rubble maybe we get some kind of global proletarian revolution that allows us to crawl back up out of the irradiated muck in conditions that are neither modern nor semi feudal, but something new and semi-apocalyptic.
C: America somehow has a perfectly Orthodox Marxist Leninist proletarian revolution some time in the next 50 years and somehow leaves China alone instead of going to war with them for being "too capitalist" reproducing scenario B, only with a "Marxist" twist.
>>2599197Yes. You might as well be carrying another mans dick
Both Felix and CPUSA anon are retards. I am a proud Dengist-Thirdworldist and that is the only real position a principled Marxist would have. Death to settler-colonialism and long live "Stagism" as vulgar materialists call it.
>>2599129Class traitor then
>>2599185Said it before, will say it again
Incredible how one can ask for the scroll anytime anywhere, and within an hour, the Dengist will deliver.
Incredible!
>>2599219There used to be so many cool communist shorts and edits like 4-5 years ago. Most of them deleted now. Mostly the cringe ones remain.
>>2599221Yeah but this one is nice
The revolutionary activity of USApol can be summarised as shitting on Felix. The latter, while eccentric, makes good points about unwillingness of the American 'proletariat' to fight American imperialism (the ONLY imperialism in the 21st century) and correctly identifies that 'proletariat's' material benefits in nurturing and expanding American imperialism.
The response from USApol liberals takes the form of the most anti-intellectual, emotionally-driven moralism. The same people who accuse others of 'moralism'when the Pedo-Loli Question is brought up, in turn fully engage in moralism when their hypocrisy is laid bare.
The form of Felix's theses is retarded, but the content is mostly correct.
The character of Felix may be abrasive, but it is undeniably, brutally honest.
>The revolutionary activity of USApol can be summarised as shitting on Felix
Not true felix sent over ten death threats today
>makes good points about unwillingness of the American 'proletariat' to fight American imperialism
And illustrates those points futher by doing nothing himself
>>2599226French resistance members barely did anything.
Most of them created a resistant persona only after the Normandy landings were successful. Many french people joke that once the American army landed, overnight there appeared tens of thousands of resistant members.
>>2599231Your post is a model of American narcissism.
I'm getting tired of the Felix CCW debate. I think the real point is, if he is worried about legally carrying, he is also probably thinking of only using it in a "legally justifiable homicide" kind of situation, which means strictly only self-defense where he fears "grievous bodily harm" and all that. You can't go and antagonize people and then shoot them by the law(each state has it's own laws about it but this is the general gist.) So he can't actually confront the fascists and then shoot them. It's his duty to try to deescalate the situation and to try to withdraw himself from the situation in any confrontation. Of course this is all in theory and it matters what his local Portland DA thinks of the situation after he hypothetically shoots someone. But if he is behaving like he does and is antagonizing the fascists, it is likely they won't let him escape prosecution because of self-defense arguments.
I've thought about carrying myself but I really don't care. I tried carrying a boot knife before and I quickly gave it up because all it does is make me feel self-conscious about this weapon I have responsibility for. I've made it this far in life without ever needing a weapon. A lot of crazy shit happens, but fortunately not really to me. I actually got mugged by a group of teens but I didn't even get badly injured, and the only reason they hit me at all was because I tried to hold on to my shit. I think it is for the best I didn't injure any of them. Whatever small monetary loss was nothing to me. If anyone should be carrying a weapon it's the weakest and most vulnerable among us like women and the elderly.
Like how I think about it is, how do these CCW guys square it? I can't feel safe walking around in public unless I'm strapped? Well what about your children? They can't carry firearms. Are you not going to never let them go outside anywhere if not in your presence? If you feel safe enough letting your kids go around without you being their armed security 24/7, how come you can't?
>>2599233If im a narcissist what does that make felix?
>>2599230>when the Pedo-Loli Question is brought upwhat?
>>2599232Thats a picture of the FLN who did do something
>>2599238It was just on his mind for some reason
>>2599236
See that isnt bad writing or analysis a lot of it is correct just drop the clownish act
>>2599236
You use Climate Change as a boogeyman to demoralise and lull people into inaction.
Humanity will weather the storm of climate change, no matter the cost (millions of dead probably).
So what if India and Austalia burn? On the other side, the tundra of Russia and Canada will become more habitable.
The Sahara used to be a green savanah. It dried up. People died, people moved. Old dense centres of people vanished, new ones emerged.
Your Europe Ecologie Les Verts/Grüne hipster-liberalism will not convince the masses. Fuck you and fuck Margaret.
>I'm getting tired of the Felix CCW debate. I think the real point is, if he is worried about legally carrying, he is also probably thinking of only using it in a "legally justifiable homicide" kind of situation, which means strictly only self-defense where he fears "grievous bodily harm" and all that. You can't go and antagonize people and then shoot them by the law(each state has it's own laws about it but this is the general gist.) So he can't actually confront the fascists and then shoot them. It's his duty to try to deescalate the situation and to try to withdraw himself from the situation in any confrontation
So i guess he stopped posting pciture of paper targets and saying his going to kill someone on this site?
Wont really help his case, the careful felix is exposing himself to getting redflagged, something anyone could do with a few screenshots of the last few threads could do for any reason, but hey got to be tough on the internet.
This man is deranged but not even willing to break the rules
Wow whole family is over for Christmas in USApol
>>2599248But the Mods-Grinch are trying hard to ruin Christmas.
>>2599246Every fucking time. They finally show up and the first thing they do is some petty-bitch banning that has nothing to do with the rules.
>>2599243So what if people get displaced from their homes–chagos poster
(Forgetting about chagos islands)
>>2599251The Chagos Question is a fight against imperialism and NATO fascism. It is against the bullying of Iran and China.
The Chagossians would not be able to sustain themselves on that island anyway, unless they survive purely on fishing.
But narcissists like you would not understand that. It's either "ME living on MY island, MY beach" and thats it. You do not think about why the fuck b52 bombers need to be stored in the middle of the fucking indian ocean.
>>2599251If the cost for defeating imperialism is the vaporisation of Chagos, Mauritius, Seychelles, Maldives, THEN SO BE IT
I refuse to become another CPUSAanon.
>>2599230>the ONLY imperialism in the 21st centuryYes I too support these committed anti-imperialists.
Honestly while the people who think living in the USA is akin to living in the third world are idiots, anyone who actually lives in America can see that working-class people are not as beholden to the empire as you would have us believe. But even if they were, the question still remains: what are we going to do about it? This is all just excuse making.
>>2599252So if people are displace by the ecological consequences of capitalism thats fine but if they get displaced by the geopolitical consequences thats fine?
As for the base on diego García? I dont think it shoudl be there i dont think any foreign bases should be open at all, after that what there to say?
>>2599254Except climate change isnt something that will save the world from imperialism it is something that will make life worse for everyone if it doesnt cause our extinction
>>2599255They are lieutenants of American imperialism.
They are imperialists, but not of their own, not distinct from Americans.
After WW2, USA slowly but surely repurposed British and French imperialism as its subordinates.
Again, if you read the Chagos Question (which you think of a 'pet grievance') this would be obvious.
1. Britain separates chagos from mauritius just before giving mauritius independence.
2. Britain displaces all chagossians, dunps them to mauritius in slums.
3. Britain burns their houses, kills their pets on the islands.
4. Britain leases the island to the Americans for a US base to be built.
You see clearly Britain had no use for it EXCEPT prepapring it and handing it over to American Militarism.
All of this to have a nice base which is near Asia and Middle East, but not too near (like bases in Qatar) so that Iran can retaliate. This is why bombing missions to Iran to not involve planes from Qatari or Saudi bases, but from Chagos. Because Iran cannot retaliate there easily.
>>2599258Where did I say climate change will defeat imperialism?
I said it should not be used as demoralising factor (à la "there will be communism anyway as the whole planet will be dead etc")
>>2599254If climate change goes really fucking bad you are going to see something worse than american imperialism emerge. I hope you enjoy dystopian warlord states.
>>2599261Incorrect.
I am not your house negro who will choose American Imperialism over climate change. Your global fascist machinery will be opposed, Herr Strasser.
>>2599254It won't matter to you because you'll have already successfully fled huh? So what is the political situation like in your country? Do you get involved with Mauritanian politics?
>>2599235It's about having options. Capitalism has created enough unhinged lumpen and mentally ill that the world is unsafe. Having a gun doesn't guarantee anything but you can do more to increase your chance of surviving a bad encounter.
The world is not stable. I would have me and all my family have 24/7 bodyguards if I could.
>>2599262How are you so sure that something better will emerge, if climate change goes critical? How are you so sure that something worse wont emerge instead?
>>2599265Yeah, so you'll let your children go around unarmed to be victims to anyone but you are too afraid to? Sounds cowardly.
>>2599264Of course I do. We lost the last elections badly so now we are in a period of reaction. But before this, my preferred party (still porkies, but with a bit more heart for the proles) ruled and they still managed a few fhings like increasing pensions, introducing a minimum salary (hotel owners went mad at this), expanding public healthcare facilities (which were already free), built a tramway system to link the 'towns' etc
After the loss, the new govt increased retirement age from 60 to 65 years, they gave a salary increase of 15dollars (trade unions demanded 40$ increase), they have been parotting about 'debt' and 'empty coffers' to shoot down any popular demands…
>im getting tired of the Felix CCW debate. I think the real point is, if he is worried about legally carrying, he is also probably thinking of only using it in a "legally justifiable homicide" kind of situation, which means strictly only self-defense where he fears "grievous bodily harm" and all that. You can't go and antagonize people and then shoot them by the law(each state has it's own laws about it but this is the general gist.) So he can't actually confront the fascists and then shoot them. It's his duty to try to deescalate the situation and to try to withdraw himself from the situation in any confrontation. Of course this is all in theory and it matters what his local Portland DA thinks of the situation after he hypothetically shoots someone. But if he is behaving like he does and is antagonizing the fascists, it is likely they won't let him escape prosecution because of self-defense arguments.
The he should stop threatening to kill people on the internet, litteraly anyone who saw the last 2 threads could get him red flagged, thats a risk they created only so could sound tough on the inter cause hes a psycho
>>2599260>i said it should not be used as demoralising factor (à la "there will be communism anyway as the whole planet will be dead etc")Thats fair i agree gotta keep trying until we are dead
>>2599266Because I actually look at climate change scientifically and not just swallow whatever european hippy think tank says.
Climate change is bad, of course. Measures must be taken to combat it, and where its inevitable, to deal with it… BUT! But I also clearly see how it is used by the 'Greens' in Europe to silence worker's movements and create psychosis.
The eye-opening moment for me was when Greens did not support nuclear energy. If you are concerned about climate change and fossil fuels, you have to support exapnding nuclear energy, not closing it.
>>2599274They still can't carry legally. You're going to send your children to elementary school packing heat?
>>2599259I am not in support of American imperialism. I don't support CPUSAnon's weirdly chauvinistic politics. I simply believe that the American working class is not entirely beholden to imperialism, and certainly no more than the rest of the West. I would like to focus the thread on discussing how to organize people rather than insisting all Americans are Nazis and that we need to blow up a federal building.
Like is this not a leftist imageboard? Are we not all aware of the evil nature of American imperialism?
. If you are concerned about climate change and fossil fuels, you have to support exapnding nuclear energy, not closing it.
Im mildly pro nuclear but i understand peoples reservations even with modern safer designs nuclear power still has the risk of faliureand those faluires are pretty catastrophic.
Solar and wind might be a possible replacement with battery storage chemistries improving by them selves, with the level of technology we have now we could go 100% renewable in some areas that are lucky enough to have geo or hydro electric potential, or different weather, especially with those million volt dc lines, the chinese have, the actaully amount of nuclear could be very low
>>2599283Get Jankovici-pilled comrade
Nuclear is safer than everything else
>>2599281I think you are confused. The 'lieutenants' in my post you replied to are Starmer and Macron, not American workers.
>>2599285Im pretty sure that statistic only takes into account the 2000 or so recorded victims that where counted at chernobyl to the who, many more died and werent recorded
>>2599288Well then you have a slippery slope where any death can somehow be linked to nuclear energy.
70% of France's energy demands comes from Nuclear. For a while now. It can be done, once the fear mongering stops and the Greens are thrown into ee-educational camps.
Weed guy vs chagos poster
>>2599289I think we could go to like 25 if we balence the othe lr forms of energy well but honetly what ever works
>>2599284I have unfortunately been here since at least as early as 2016.
>>2599286I mean, the post I originally replied to was you tying the American proletariat to imperialism.
>>2599291With the greasy and obsene consumptive demands of the Amerikkkan, you will need at least 60% nuclear. The wind and the sun will never be able to keep up with Timmy's and Kayleigh's bestial appetite.
Under communism there will be no namefags. Flagposters will be phased out after stage 1. Avatarfags will wither away.
>>2599267Who just lets their kids run around unsupervised?
The real solution is an socialist police officer on every corner not just random citizens being allowed to carry guns. Until then, I'll be "cowardly" and give myself the ability to do more than just die from a random stabbing.
Under communism there will be no forums. People will be encouraged to "talk" to people with their mouth-parts.
>>2599292The American proletariat is not imperialist but it clearly lacks the altruism to look beyond its healthcare demands and actually push for dismantlement of NATO.
If you tell american proles that the militaristic machine will be dismantled, but in return certain products will become a bit more expensive since America will not dictate the whole flow of all matter from Earth to Factory anymore, the great majority of them will want to keep NATO fascism.
While I am not a TWist, I see a lot of truth in treatlerite theory (despite it originating mostly as a meme, a joke)
>>2599217
>Once again, the only REAL solution is the hard one, the one that requires actual courage and sacrifice instead of just reading theory and doing nothing.
Actually try to grapple with what I'm saying here. Especially the questions. If you ignore the questions, I will not take you seriously. These are not rhetorical questions I am about to ask. These are real pressing questions coming up. But first I will make a statement:
if there is proletarian revolution in the US, the US bourgeoisie would rather nuke the mainland and flee to their bunkers in New Zealand than allow proletarian victory. They are the ultimate kulaks. just like the kulaks burned their grain to avoid redistribution, the US bourgeoisie will nuke the continental mainland to avoid victorious proletarian revolution. That is my hypothesis.
However, now for the questions, even if my hypothesis is wrong, even if there is successful proletarian revolution in the USA, will be it be Leninist like you want? What about the US bourgeoisie's trillions in debt? Will the Chinese and other debtors demand that debt from the newly ascendant proletarian dictatorship in America? Or will they let it slide?
Will the newly ascendant proletarian dictatorship in America get along with China, or will they start WW3 with China for being "too capitalist?"
Will the proletarian dictatorship in America pay reparations to the global South for two centuries of imperialism, or will they defend their revolutionary gains and keep the "treats" for themselves?
Will the proletarian dictatorship in America slide quickly into revisionism?
Will the NATO countries attempt to invade America and impose counter revolution, just as 14 countries invaded Russia at the end of WW1 to prevent the Soviet Union from being born?
Will the American proletarian revolution, and the counter revolution to turn it back, spark a global conflict that ultimately results in nuclear destruction and billions dead?
Will it result in global conventional war that, while not nuclear, nevertheless pushes us over the edge with regards to pollution, climate change, while at the same time destroying the progress in renewable energy which could help us scale back climate change?
The hypothetical American proletarian revolution is not only a pipe dream at this point, so far from the reality on the ground, since we have not organized for it AT ALL, but the American proletariat does not even have trade union consciousness anymore. It will take us decades just to get us back to where we were in the days of Eugene Debs, in terms of class consciousness. Meanwhile we have huge influential international lobbies of reactionaries and counter revolutionaries in charge of our government, as well as huge diaspora communities of counter revolutionaries from Cuba, South Korea, China, and other places. We have huge cults like Scientology, which has its own navy. The American situation is so complex and insane.
To me, the best hope for climate change, the true existential threat, since it has a time limit, is not proletarian revolution, but the invention of fusion, which is not only a pipe dream, but is making rapid progress, since China is doubling sustainable fusion reactions through research every 2-3 years currently. The US is not doubling its progress towards proletarian revolution every 2-3 years. If anything it is cutting in half its progress towards proletarian revolution every 2-3 years.
You will say this is revisionist and counter revolutionary, that's fine, but the material conditions are objectively different. You have pointed to Joe Slovo in South Africa as an example of how to wage proletarian revolution in a modern surveillance state, but that was almost 60 years ago now. That is not remotely the conditions we are in now. Spear of the Nation did not deal with drones, facial recognition, etc.
Nuclear war or global conventional war will push us over the edge with regards to climate change. Waiting for fusion is NOT a pipe dream. Global proletarian revolution is nowhere near being organized, and does not occur spontaneously. You are correct such organizing should have started decades ago. But it didn't.
>>2599289I guess what i like about renewables is how felixible they are, can put them in so many places, they have so much potential for making indiviual nodes in the mesh of society more temporaily self reliant, and because once you have them all you need is sun or air you habe on less thing you can be blockaided from, theres a reason cuba recieved panels from china andy could use more of them, if in the future we live in little refuges from climate change like the pampflet desert then we can use solar if we live communist megacities we can use solar in any situation we can use it
>>2599299Yes but vastly inefficient
I am in mechanical engineering and i spoke to researchers who were working on solar and wind energy (trying to increase efficiency etc), and eventually they all told me, defeated, that there is no way to produce the majority of electricity with renewables.
All actual scientists and engineers who worked on this and have no dog in the fight (no juicy treats from the green cabal) told me the same thing: majority nuclear, with a minority renewables. That is the only sensible way to truly phase out fossil fuels.
>>2599293We got alot of unrealizrd geothermal potential, and some hydroelectic (not a big fan tbh) and
We could reproses methane from organic waste to fuel (its still realease c02 but is net less warming because it prevents a methane leak)
>>2599297>The American proletariat is not imperialist but it clearly lacks the altruism to look beyond its healthcare demands and actually push for dismantlement of NATO. I don't think this is unique to America, but anyway our goal then should be finding ways to build international solidarity here among Americans.
>>2599301You are truly shit scared about nuclear huh…
>>2599285>Nuclear is safer than everything elseIn terms of safety, the hierarchy, from most to least safe, is: Solar, WInd, Hydro, Geothermal, Natural Gas, Nuclear, Coal, Oil
That being said, I would like more nuclear, since it is safer than coal and oil, and gets you better bang for your buck. But knowing burgers, and their proclivity for deregulation, they would fuck up and do a billion chernobyls.
>>2599300I mean panelseffecienty has been increaskng for a while , storage is getting better but the technology needs to be futher along, and wind its worth having in places that make sense really storage is the main problem
Also we can always degrowth alittle and be fine
We can live with less treats its just capitalist brainwashing that makes us think we cant.
>>2599304Lost cause. Anti-american racism os the way forward. The great praxis of our times.
just kidding >>2599305Not really i just think we should only use the minimum amount of it.
>>2599307>I mean panelseffecienty has been increaskng for a while , storage is getting better but the technology needs to be futher alongto me the problem with solar is not just storage, but circulation. the faster you circulate solar power to some actual location where it will be used productively, the less you need to worry about storing it.
>>2599306If Burgers self-nuke as a direct consequence of libertarian deregulation, i see this as a MASSIVE WIN
Please Ron Paul, become a nuclear magnate please please please
>>2599308race isn't real and even if it were, USAno isn't a race, since USAnos come from all over the world.
>>2599311>If Burgers self-nuke as a direct consequence of libertarian deregulation, i see this as a MASSIVE WIN i assume you are trolling, since even a modest use of a few dozen modern high-yield thermonuclear weapons on the american mainland would create a bunch of global ripple effects ecologically which would potentially outweigh the benefits of the destruction of the empire
>>2599312Actually we are a race because the McDonald's binds to your dna
>>2599308Fair enough.
Sorry about Chagos comrade, and I do mean that sincerely.
>>2599310https://www.power-technology.com/features/chinas-mega-transmission-lines/Yeah something like this could increase flexibity to make up a little for storage difficulties
>>2598896So what you're saying is that older men are attracted to younger women because they are attractive?
>>2599314It's a small price to pay to get rid of a big problem
>>2599297>If you tell american proles that the militaristic machine will be dismantled, but in return certain products will become a bit more expensive since America will not dictate the whole flow of all matter from Earth to Factory anymore, the great majority of them will want to keep NATO fascism. That's because you are stopping short of getting rid of capitalists and American proles getting better consumer products, housing, healthcare, education and a future for their children. Just saying things will get even more expensive is a dumb way of framing it because everything is already getting too expensive.
>>2599208Aren’t fusion and fission energy cope? Unfortunately when it comes to science/engineering there are many things we can achieve but not on the required scale. There are many limitations and sometimes overcoming them is impossible. Im not too optimistic
>>2599217You all communists should read and listen Vivek Chibber. He has some good takes such as more radical social democrats taking power and slowly but surely developing socialism through the State. Not only reforms, but de commodifying essential and other goods. This way we can avoid violent revolution in the US or anywhere. Thing is the weapons have become so destructive that if the elite uses them they may end up overthrown. They became a double edge sword. So the political arena is our best bet
>>2599283Climate change may be solved through civil disobedience. Groups like Extinction Rebellion and Roger Hallam have the potential to force change in the modes of energy production
>>2599312You are not Lysenko-pilled, shame…
>>2599323Lysenko didn't believe in race spooks. He was just Lamarckian, which is completely understandable since he conducted the bulk of his research before the discovery of DNA and molecular genes. Anyway, recent research in epigenetics is sometimes said to "prove Lysenko correct" but this is a massive oversimplification.
>>2599324Stoners chasing chimeras…
Im glad i stopped smoking 2 years ago. I can think clearly again.
>>2599326Anyone who uses the word 'spook' is a joke.
>>2599328Race is a spook and I don't care about your racist opinion to the contrary.
>>2599331Where was I racist?
are we seriously going to ignore chagosposter saying americans self nuking themselves is a good and worthwhile thing. Even if it causes such drastic effects to the enviornment via worsening climate change
>>2599334I already told him he was wrong and schizo for saying that, but who cares, he is here to troll, not be serious. he thinks nuclear winter is a "small price to pay" for speeding up the destruction of an empire that is already on its way out anyway
>>2599337>but who cares, he is here to troll, not be serious.Yeah, true
>>2599333Can you read the spoiler, American animal?
>>2599339>animalthere's that racism again.
Lithium iron phospate and sodium show promise in grid storage
>>2599327We have no ecosymbol, but i am pretty right now
>>2599334>>2599340Disingenuous chauvinist wolves feigning ignorance once again
>>2599327I neither drink nor smoke and I don't see what is wrong with what he is saying about molten salt storage.
>>2599344It's alright comrade
A potent ganja now and then is good
>>2599345the american empire must be defeated, but if it nukes itself, that would create huge catastrophe for the rest of the world in the form of nuclear winter. you are stupid if you think otherwise.
>>2599337Here to troll? Ive had the most serious posts here, bar a few troll ones out of imageboard bonhomie.
But you cockroaches would rather talk about age gap sexxo and laugh at Felix's toy gun…
Dishonest, lying, undignified cockroaches
>>2599349There is a sweet number of nuke discharge which will destroy america but not the whole world
Obviously there will be some radiation which all of us will have to deal with because of the wind and what not, of course Mexica and Canacucks will be fucked, but some sacrifice is needed comrades
Amerikan Death Über Alles
wow
>>2599347He's not praising nuclear energy when nuclear energy is the most efficient.
>>2599348You know what i improbably we win and meet at the 5th internationale and smoke ganja in the same circle
>>2599358I hope improbably we win
>>2599358I had a lot of good South African Sativa when in uni
Cheap af and a nice energetic high
5grams for like 8 to 10 dollars
>>2599358Are you going to attend his funeral or have him bury you?
Too many weed flags i dont know whos who
>>2599364You should quit the chekist cult before they decide to kill you next and maybe try a drug that can actually benefit you rather than handicap.
>>2599366No wonder with passive idiots like you, American porky has it on easy mode
Seriously though, why cant mods create a 420chan board? I feel bad looking at 420refugees wandering the desert like the biblical jews in egypt
>>2599370The chekist cult is suicidal not destructive just like the rest of the Maoist and Stalinist cults in the US turned to personal worship sex pest camps and honeypots.
>>2599372>in the USThere's your problem
Anti-american racists like me are safe
Guys just stiring shit becausd actually talking about thing interesting minimal shit flinging
>>2599372100 times worse with trots, trotskyism has always been liberal degeneration of Trotsky's last wills where he practically rejects the premises of democratization but his followers still continue to distort his thesis. His thesis being that since the USSR was degenerated because of Stalin that through democracy they could reobtain control, this thesis completely flopped and we all saw what democratization lead to.
>>2599343>But even if your kids are supervised without you by an adult that doesn'y have their cannon on them, isn't it the same difference?Presumption is the unarmed adult will throw themselves in front of danger for children. So they pay the cost of their health for societies future. That does not always happen but the cultural norm is better than absolutely nothing.
But the problem still is capitalist society falling apart with liberalism making individuals bear the consequences. So now you have the rich with personal bodyguards and safe neighborhoods protected by private security, everyone else get some guns ans some police might show up after a few hours all while liberals just tell the poor to die cause guns are icky. Guns at least add some protections even if it's spotty. Cultural views of what count as cowardly changes all the time but being dead is forever.
>>2599352>Amerikan Death Über AllesDang, we are oretty nice to you comsidering you just openly want to kill all of us.
>>2599352>There is a sweet number of nuke discharge which will destroy america but not the whole worldToo bad that isn't how MAD works sweaty. You are in the southern hemisphere far from any targets so you have the best chance of not dying in the nuclear winter, but it won't be fun surely. Wait, actually Chagos might fet hit but it is still pretty far from Mauritius. And it is a small yarget.
>>2599375GL with your autonomist commune in the vastness of capitalism being a global mode of production, your movement will definitely end capitalism from some third world rebellion, probably in a convenient domino effect.
>>2599382Perfect for small.embattled nations being blokaded by captial
>>2599381t. fascist drug addict
>>2599386Truly fascism is international whilst the real movement is national.
What's wrong with addiction btw?
>>2599380You are an imbecile. The original post was about nuclear accidents due to american right wing deregulation. MAD does not apply in this case. MAD is about retaliation in warfare.
A few accidents poisoning NYC and Los Angeles is more than welcome. Some of its effects may be felt in Mexico and Canada but barely anything in Europe, South America and Africa.
>>2599380Stop being nice then. I am not begging for your kindness, American microbe.
>>2599391At least scroll up and see how the convo started. It was mostly a joke about libertarian types deregulating and causing accidents
You just wanna jump in and start arguing like a debate addict
>>2599393Thats not the original post mega moron
>>2599391Soviet vodka is no match for the daily mass of microplastics ingested from our PFAS burger wrappers and replacing our brain cells
>>2599392>>2599392> like a debate addictThe ironing.
>>2599394Who cares. You all are just shitposting. There is no important debate being held.
Americans: you not gonna make me cry for zionists RIP bozo kek
Also americans: how dare you wish death on americans? We are smol bean proles too uWu
America is the great enabler of Israel. Whatever hate Israel get, it's 10x more for America.
>>2599397I just wonder why you want talk to us so much.
>>2599394the conversation was
>>2599311you said this
>>2599314then someone asked you this
>>2599319and then you said
>Its a small price to pay to get rid of a big problemin response to
>i assume you are trolling, since even a modest use of a few dozen modern high-yield thermonuclear weapons on the american mainland would create a bunch of global ripple effects ecologically which would potentially outweigh the benefits of the destruction of the empire >>2599399Your base is on my island
Fuck off and I will fuck off too
>>2599403No, retarded debate addict, this was the first post:
>>2599306 >>2599405>That being said, I would like more nuclear, since it is safer than coal and oil, and gets you better bang for your buck. But knowing burgers, and their proclivity for deregulation, they would fuck up and do a billion chernobyls.<But knowing burgers, and their proclivity for deregulation, they would fuck up and do a billion chernobyls.dude this doesnt make you look better at all, since you said I hope the self nuke happens
>>2599407Im not trying to 'look good'for you.
I said it before and I say it again, America self-nuking is GOOD for humanity and is DESIRABLE.
>>2599409Same volk
Same language etc
>>2598923
Honestly why are these people talking about /isg/ type shit all the time? You are a congressman talking to a podcaster uygha, Fuentes is just going to laugh about it on stream, and all this sort of callout is going to do is give him legitimacy as a based lil guy who is hated by the government but doesnt care anyway. No matter what you'll just look like a libtard bitch loser and boost Fuentes.
>>2599409>nobody here even knows about Diego Garciaall the more why i should be louder
since i started rambling on usapol, a few people did learn about it
You morons want to cry about the savagery of NATO but when people from these places flood you, you bitch and moan
Felix is aboslutely right, you just want your fair share of plunder
>>2599410Just raise a pirate militia and reclaim the island and settle there with a bunch of people in case they come back so you can have suicidal hostages for worst case scenario they try to Waco compound you and prepare gas masks and whatnot for chemical warfare from above.
You only need like 50 more armed people than what they have on the base.
For a life goal if you have the will you can reclaim it but it might be suicidal to defend it.
Best case scenario they decide its not worth fighting for anymore and fuck off and the chagos can come back.
>>2599413>You morons want to cry about the savagery of NATO but when people from these places flood you, you bitch and moanumm no i don't who are you talking to
>>2599414Its not something that an imperialist country gives up easily circumstances out side of its control would have to force the goverment to close the base
>>2599404i ain't on that base and it ain't my base. take some meds. there's 340 million of us and only 7% are in the burger military
>>2599415Thank you for proving my point.
>>2599418 You are complicit.
>>2599408you do realize that the effects of nuclear weapons aren't limited to the precise locations they land. Ever heard of black rain? nuclear winter. you are just stupid and shortsighted or trolling. i don't care which. you'll just keep repeating to yourself until you're blue in the face and ignore the more nuanced point being made to you because you are dumb and stubborn and want to ignore the point on purpose.
>>2599414Nice try but I am not committing suicide.
>>2599421whole world's complicit. cry harder.
Free my chaggers
>>2599423NEETS are leeches on the empire. if everyone were a fat NEET playing vidya the empire would collapse immediately from lack of enforcement.
>>2599422Yes Mr National Geographic, I have taken into account all of this. And yes, a few nuclear accidents on the east and west coast of america will do enough damage to america without harming the rest of the world too much (there will inevitably be some harm, but i can accept that). Mexico and Canada will have it rough but they kinda deserve it for licking american ass for so long.
>>2599421i am deploying my cadres immediately to liberate you but they might die along the way, they're not very smart
*they're hamsters**
>>2599426You are one honourable american in a sea of obese ugly disgusting creatures.
>>2599431Yeah Mexicans are mega sluts for americans.
I am not playing along the 'boo hoo we are poor people of colour boo hoo'. Uncle Toms can get fucked.
>>2599428ok then nuke us if you're so smart and you've done the math to determine it's worth the eggs needed to make the omelet. do it bitch. fuckin nuke us. i hate it. i wanna die. the treats aren't even good.
>>2599430Any help counts. Many thanks.
>>2599434You are fucking up your part. You are supposed to be the american chauvinist who hurls racist insults at me. Do not derail the theatrics.
chagos poster be real with me. Are you shitposting or are you being 100 percent unironic
>>2599432I'm not american
>>2599439>>2599439No wonder you are a good person then.
>>2599437HOLY SHIT THEY'RE PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN, FUCKING KILL THEM ALL
>>2599437They are mostly devout Roman Catholics.
>>2599438He just said he plans to move to Amerikkka or Evrope to get access to our treats. If he does, he will be more high up in the treat chain than most posters ITT since he will be some PMC.
>>2599444ah so a shitposter, makes sense.
>>2599438Im serious on most things (american proles not caring about nato savagery, nuclear power being the way forward etc)
I shitpost on only one thing and that is Total American Death. No i dont really want to see all americans die. Although factually, it would help when it comes to many things. Too bad i still have a heart.
>>2599436i'mma be real with you
burgers are a country of 340 million
burgers have 800 offshore bases
only about 1.3 million burgers are active duty (<1% of the burger population and less than the current population of Gaza city, even after all the killing Israel has done)
Only about 7% of burgers join the military at any point in their life.
So about 1.3 million active duty burgers are spread around 800 offshore bases. That's an average of 1625 burgers per base.
That's a paper tiger. It's rotting. It's on the way out. If the Chinese send 5000 drones, let alone soldiers, to each burger base, burgers will have to pack it up.
Burgers ain't shit.
So quite crying about us. We're a bunch of stupid fat fentanyl addicts who can't even run our stupid treat empire anymore. We're retired. If you can't get rid of us at this point it's a skill issue. We suck ass. We're not even strong.
>>2599444Rest assured I will not get a visa
It is tough for mauritians to get a visa to Treatland
>>2599446are you shitposting on the america nuking itself would be good though?
Or are you being fully unironic there.
>>2599449Nah that was a shitpost.
Although a nuke accident on a military base which fucks up your military capabilities, that I unironically would love to see. The radioactive contamination in the air would fly to civilian areas, unfortunately. But if it deals a serious blow to US military (and not just a few blown up trucks), it is more than worth it.
>>2599449what difference does it make. it won't happen, and if it does, everyone will have bigger problems to deal with than sorting out irony from sincerity on this shithole.
>>2599450okay that is sensible.
>>2599451fair enough
>>2599391Never mind America lead poisoning their own water supply because they don't want to spend the money to replace old pipes.
>>2599395Trump's EPA are now allowing PFAS in vegetable pesticides lol
>>2599414It's a defacto US military base they've had for decades in a very strategic position. UK just leased it from Mauritius for another 99 years. 50 commandos would not be able to take it, let alone keep it.
>>2599455How many non-burgers benefitted the US turning the empire outwards?
>>2599458>How many non-burgers benefitted the US turning the empire outwards?ask Israel
>>2599458-east asians
-western europeans
-some few places in latin america, africa, and etc but only a few
thats about it
>>2599391>How would there be multiple accidents tard? Also the US has a pretty good track record. Three Mile Island was barely anything. This isn't the USSR we aren't slavic drunks.the burger chauvinism is outta control. buddy have you seen the situation on the ground here? there's a lot of drunks, a lot of fentanyl addicts, a lot of car wrecks daily, a lot of deregulation. It's only gonna get worse. people already forgot that condo collapse in surfside FL
Steve Bannon, Noam Chomsky, Woody Allen, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump… The common factor? All Americans!
I guess the turd does not fall far from the faggot's ass
>>2599457I wrote 50 more than what they have as personnel. So like 4050 army could take over the 4000 armymen on Chagos. This might seem silly because why would 50 more men guarantee a victory over 50 less? Letalone a militia lacking training against the best financed in the world. I'll tell you why, because its bullshit.
>>2599466Thank you for your service Comrade.
Apparently, jellied eel is an aphrodisiac. Youknow what to do.
>>2599457>It's a defacto US military base they've had for decades in a very strategic position. UK just leased it from Mauritius for another 99 years. 50 commandos would not be able to take it, let alone keep it.Then what did I just buy another AR for?
>>2599469For love of the game and paperwork
>>2599465idk man its pretty clear western europeans benefited from the marshall plan and the subsequent joining of western europe and american capital, and imperialism.
East asia also received a lot of usa money and investment that helped develop the regions (japan, south korea, china, taiwan, etc etc). And when I say east asia I specifically mean north east asia. (most of north east asia)
Few places in latin america, africa and etc did benefit from having a relationship with the usa such as botswana. I dont see whats insane about these claims
>>2599469Counter Strike is free to play on Steam. I will never understand why burgoids buy guns, drive to the ranch(range? whatever burgoid word you use) and shoot and get all sweaty and dusty
>>2599473uygha are you asking why people go outside?
>>2599473Shooting guns makes you feel like god. My uncle owns a gun store and shooting range combo. You can really feel the power of life and death in your hands.
>>2599474Yeah but why muh guns tho
Take your wife on a dinner and then fuck her good
>>2599477For us guns are part of foreplay
>>2599477Taking girls shooting is a great date move. My friend used to do that a lot.
>>2599478>>2599479Understandable. We'll file that under 'culture and traditions'.
>>2599481>imagewow this is, this is genuinely fucking retarded
>>2599481Chibber is correct. Colonialism had a role in the advent of capitalism but it is not the direct cause.
>>2599487I was trying to figure out how to say the same thing. I think people tend to react to statements like this because they just see the 2 bad words and the author going "bad thing one didn't cause bad thing 2" and seethe
>>2599488>>2599487Glancing at chibber's page, he actually seems kinda cool. He even seems to challenge the idea of framing the Global South as such, because it implies an Orientalist thinking. Pretty ballsy stuff to say these days, but he's Indian so he gets to say it
>>2599490Same. Do you also get that spot of precum after a bit or is that just me?
>>2599488>>2599489Great Teacher Cockshott also said similar things in the past.
In a world of grifters and third-world-infantilisers, such men must be protected.
>>2599492I've been meaning to go since I haven't been in awhile so I'll check.
>>2599496Thank you comrade
>>2599495Speaking of third world infantilisers, the assumption that in order to save the world, we the American proletariat MUST have a violent revolution seems a bit self aggrandizing and wypipo centric no?
>>2599487>>2599487no, chibber stated in that article:
<So if the question is “What role do treasure and plunder play in the rise of capitalism?” then the argument that treasure and plunder are what trigger it can’t even get off the ground, because the countries where it should have happened — if the argument were correct — are the countries where it didn’t happen. And where it does happen is in a country where you don’t have this kind of plunder. And that’s England.that's his whole thesis. absolutely asinine and a falsification of what Marx describe in his theory of Primitive Accumulation.
Capitalism rests on the shoulders of colonialism and its plunder.
and a good book that explains it all would be picrel.
>>2599498Americans having a violent revolution is the best case scenario. If not, then the multipolar world order is next best. It will not magically bring about communist bliss but it is the next best thing which at least weakens American imperialism, which I have to remind pea-brains here, IS THE ONLY IMPERIALISM currently.
>>2599499Chibber is correct. Rodney is wrong.
As an Afrikan man, it is important for me to recognise the evils of colonialism without using it as a ready-made excuse for ALL problems in Africa.
I believe it is a very Christian original-sin way of thinking.
'Europe underdeveloped Africa', oh it was already underdeveloped alright, do not give the Europeans too much credit now.
What, the white wizards did white voodoo to undo our Great Afrikan Progress? Fuck off
I like this guy. First time I've really interacted with him. But I've made up my mind.
I hereby fully endorse critical support for Chagos Poster. You're right up there with Graham Platner now as far as I'm concerned o7
>>2599501Yeah I'm looking around and uhhh I'm not seeing the revolution coming to NA any time soon. That being said, the multipolar order is about to kick mega ass. China fucking rules, Vietnam owns, South America slaps, EU is whimpering, and USA imperialism is delirious even while still intact.
>>2599504It is not that third world countries cannot liberate themselves etc.
It is recognising that even if they are successful, they will live with a Sword of Damocles over their heads. Like Cuba, like DPRK. The Capitalist Krakken will surround and suffocate them.
The Eastern Bloc managed because of Comrade Stalin's correct and rapid industrialisation (with all its flaws but what can you do, even God makes mistakes). Even then Stalin and Molotov recognised that they were lucky to inherit such vast tracts of land from the Tsars which was brimming with resources.
New Zealand for example, despite all heroism, could never do what the USSR did.
I hope you all Democrat shills (DSA, CPUSA) die in nuclear hellfire.
>>2599505I dont know if you are being sarcastic but thank you. I do not want to stand next to ugly fat Platner though.
>>2599499If i recall my volume 1 correctly, Marx (pbuh) pretty explicitly starts the historical study of capitalism first in its emergence in England. This system then enables England to plunder what are then to become the colonies, by providing:
1. the blueprint for a society where a compulsion on the part of the labourer to work for a wage or another arrangement like slavery is emerges as a generalized economic arrangement via disposession
2. The incentive for the wealthy to enter the colonies (capital accumulation)
>>2599501American imperialism was a centralizing mechanism for imperialist ambitions around the globe. Either a new center will emerge or imperialism will proceed in a decentralized manner after its gone if America were to lose its global status.
>>2599509I was being serious. I only threw platner in there as a bit because people still give me shit for saying "he's probably the best choice of the 3 people running which I admit is a low bar". I've since been called a Nazi and anti-communist
>>2599510Reality is not a simple pendulum.
Liberal Arts Colleges must be nuked. They ruined too many bright young americans.
>>2599514
Well it's an election in another state so no. And either way, if that were the case, then all 3 should get a bullet, as well as every other politician including bernie
>>2599517The Real Iron Felix is working on this.
Trust the process.
>>2599503>Chibber is correctvibes and feels statement.
>Rodney is wrong. vibes and feels statement.
>As an Afrikan manidpol shit, and race traitor. jay-z tier claim next: capitalism is a racial slut term created to discourage black success?
>it is important for me to recognise the evils of colonialism without using it as a ready-made excuse for ALL problems in Africa. >stuff never said.are you butthurt somehow that jacobin is wrong?
if so, how and why?
also, it's the root of all of its problems today. once colonialism and capitalism extraction ends, Africa can cope with its own domestic problems in more meaningful ways.
>I believe it is a very Christian original-sin way of thinking. imagine comparing dialectic-materialism with theology in a sentence.
>'Europe underdeveloped Africa'yes, it did. did you know that England paid reparations to the Englishmen slave owners through a credit that barely finished its repay this century? and I am not talkin in the 00s, I am talking up to very recently. if that was imposed on English commoners, what would you think they've been doing to Africans?
>do not give the Europeans too much credit now. well, the Europeans can always renounce to the IMF conditions to use and impose the use of the US dollars, condone the debts, stop forcing trade through the Euro, the CFA Franc, the British Pound, stop financing al-qaeda (who started to attack Benin once it got a government just different to the western interests, instead of take up arms against Israel in Gaza), and leave the military bases there. would that be too much or too little credit, now?
you are a radlib.
>all i want is sum healthcare n' shiet
You are OBJECTIVELY FASCIST.
End of fuclking discussion.
>>2599518I hope so. It'd be a relief for us to finally move on
fucking France forced Haitians to repay a proclamation of freedom (and end of slavery) fee, or else the francophone country of Haiti couldn't trade with any of the totally controlled francophone colonies of France and be isolated to trade throughout the world. a debt that up to 1947 Haitians had to pay.
but hey, colonialism had nothing to do with capitalism creation.
absolute state of a revisionist discourse.
>>2599513I'm not saying its a simple pendulum mechanism, I'm saying that imperialism is a compulsion of capitalism. And the multipolar world which is yet to emerge doesn't really mean anything for the abolition of capitalism.
>>2599521I have to preambulate that Im african because morons like you will call me white supremacist for not swallowing your sentimental garbage.
Slave owner reparations bla bla bla, that's it? That's all you know? And worse, you are teaching me this? Oh I had never heard of that!
Your whole IMF, reparations, Haiti debt to France arguments show you are not a Marxist. You have a Disney understanding of the world.
For you it's: Europeans exploited Africans, therefore everything wrong with Africa is due to Europe and everything nice about Europe is due to Africa.
Walter Rodney is overrated af because he panders to your feefees. He does not compel you to look at the cold dark fucked up reality. He does not make you face your demons.
You are no Marxist at all.
>>2599533>Multipolar worlds yet to emerge It's happening like… Right now. In about 3 to 5 more years it will be almost apparent.
>X means nothing for the abolition of capitalismhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/01/09ft.htmSomething something free trade something hasten social revolution
>>2599533I said it before and I will say it again. Multipolarity does not entail communism automatically. It simply weakens american unipolar imperialism by having instead a sort of multi-imperialism. This state of affairs gives a bit more choice and wiggle room to the third world. Whether some people will keep pushing for socialist revolution or not, time will tell.
In any case, in this darkest reactionary hour, simply weakening american unipolarity would be a welcome development.
>>2599528>>2599534
>Slave owner reparations bla bla bla, that's it? That's all you know?is Haiti African, too? are they also not under the same condition and can't be explained under the same situation? "bla bla bla" mr black racist? oh, I forgot, because they are black, right?
you are such an uncle tom. or uncle ruckus. gtfo, you glowing shithead.
>>2599521Lick the ass of Rodney and the Black Panthers. They were aura farmers, the OG vibes analysts who have doomed a generation or two of American 'revolutionaries' with their sentimental, lazy, half-assed analyses and actions.
Fuck them and fuck you.
>>2599534We gotta get you on the Maine Senate ballot asap
>>2599538Please tell me that's Felix calling Chagos an uncle Tom oh my god please. Is it him?
>>2599539>>2599538Bro he almost just called you a uyghur lmao
>>2599542uncle tom =/= the N word.
>>2599543I dunnooooooo lmao that last one felt reallll rough there bud
>>2599538You do not get it, moron. I already know all of the reparations to slave owners, Haiti's debt etc. My own country had slavery and similar things happened. During the Napoleonic wars, the Brits seized the island from the French and got approval of the french masters by promising not to end slavery (british empire abolished slavery in 1815, but in Mauritius in 1835, that was the deal). The french frogs got compensation and what not. I know all of this. I find it funny that you present this as some super knowledge when this is basic knowledge you learn in primary schools here. The colons were fucked up, we get that. But that cannot be the whole of the analysis. Also, the savagery of the colons being true does not magically mean the industrialisation of England and France results directly from colonisation and black ass whipping. I recommend you watcj the Cockshott video on slavery and industrialisation.
This rasta reasoning of "evil babylon" is retarded.
>>2599539lmao you lost the discourse, and you got yourself exposed as a moron.
as I said, jump next time to the following thought:
>capitalism is a racial slur term created to discourage black successt. jaz-y-chagos
We need shooops of Felix in scenes from Django unchained RIGHT NOW
>>2599543>>2599542He can call me whatever he wants. It's an american thing to throw a hissy fit over a word. I guess when life is materially so comfortable, you can only get mad at words.
>>2599546Bro are you like actually racist?? Lmfaoooo
>>2599548It's just very weird for someone here on the left to even come close to talking like that to a black person. The only reason he isn't getting his teeth knocked in is because this is the internet and you don't have the same cultural reaction. But I'm a white dude and even I'm not liking this lmao
>>2599546You can totalise all the reparations to the masters and it will not be enough to build even a few highways or dams.
Your infantile mind just thinks of a pile of things. Wither I have big pile of things or white wizard comes and steals my pile of things.
You think only of fixed state of affairs, you cannot think of processes.
That is the crux of Marxism: matter in motion, processes, change, flux. Not just 'thing'.
>>2599545>magically mean the industrialisation of England and France results directly from colonisation and black ass whippingit does tho. As I said, Europe is free to prove your thesis by doing these things:
>the Europeans can always renounce to the IMF conditions to use and impose the use of the US dollars, condone the debts, stop forcing trade through the Euro, the CFA Franc, the British Pound, stop financing al-qaeda (who started to attack Benin once it got a government just different to the western interests, instead of take up arms against Israel in Gaza), and leave Africawill they do it?
how many governments, leaders, and movements that have asked the same have they destroyed, killed, and sabotaged?
name them, if your history lessons on the primary are so good about Africa.
We need Felix as Django, and Chagos as Samuel Jackson
>>2599549are you high? what has this post
>>2599546 to do with racism?
>>2599552it's very ok to call black collaborationists uncles tom. ask to any black Marxist revolutionary, and communists that have read about the killings of Fred Hampton and Malcolm X about it.
>>2599557This is gold. I need your face shooped onto WEB du bois
U guys r libz
PhD of colonial and ethnic studies Evan Reif everyone
>>2599554I think you are genuinely retarded. Why will imperialists give up their whip and stop extracting?
Does Europe and America use the IMF and a gazilion institutions to perpetuate their master-status?
Yes.
How does that prove that colonialism is the direct and primary cause of capitalism though?
How does that prove that slavery 'built Europe' and not the European working class?
Do you even know whether the colonies were mostly for extraction or rather 'guaranteed markets' (chasse guardée)?
>>2599557You Americans have no monopoly over 'black' revolution. I piss on your yankee failed vibes-revolutionaries. What did they ever achieve? Is there a single instructive book they wrote? They are no more than Christian preachers. Sounds good, but dig deeper and there is no content.
You call me Uncle Tom?
You, yourself decide once for all what you want. Do you want to be part of the USA whith the honkies and the latinos or do you want your own black republic?
Do you want to be part of USA but with reparations and autonomy?
Do you just want to be a normal citizen of the USA without separation?
Wtf do you want?
I dont give a shit about your Fred Hampton aura-farming on his majestic chair with his rifle. I have enough gun-totting morons here in Africa, im good thanks. Ohhhh the Black Panthers gave poor kids breakfast! Ohhhh the new Lenin!!! So does every Church you moron.
>>2599562have you not ever talked to a black comrades on internet? on tiktok? there are like a couple of hundreds of them. I have politely asked to at least five of them, one of them a woman, and they all nodded "yes, it's ok" "f.. em". they explained that's not a racial slur or derogatory racist term. it describes the social nature of those people: a melanated person who dances at the tip of the finger of the white people.
>>2599557Like he's not even American dude what the fuck are you talking about. If he wasn't black, if he was a Latino or Filipino or something would you have gone through the trouble to find another racially charged term than uncle Tom?
That's how incredibly unqualified you are to speak on any of this shit because you can't even take the
common sense route let alone a rigorous intellectual one.
You're not just mentally ill, you're a fucking narcissist and an asshole. You need to shut the fuck up and feel some fucking shame for once.
>>2599566>I asked black people online if it was okBuddy if they saw your behavior here in context they would block you lmfao. You have NO RIGHT to be saying this shit. You're out of your fucking depth. Shut the fuck up and to the doctor because you barely slept 4 hours I watched. Now you're awake again, manic and angry, posting and putting your foot in your mouth
You see what you've done Evan? You've gone and started a race war damn it! This poor African man is gonna bomb Atlanta now thanks to you
>>2599528Again you mix up two things just because they are both bad.
France's behaviour towards Haiti was absolutely wrong, but you link this magically with the rise of French Capitalism.
Haiti's 'debt' was more of a punishment imposed by France on Haiti because they 'dared'revolt (and succeed). It in no way explains the rise of french capitalism though.
Funny how everything you accuse me of (vibes and feels, anti-black etc), you yourself are guilty of.
Hey, chagos poster, is malcolm x based or cringe?
I love cracker
>>2599528Everything that happened before capitalism has to do with capitalism, yeah
>>2599575He was fighting for the rights of his people and thus a good man BUT! But I do not understand the obsession of turning him into a saint who got everything right. As a Marxist, we must be clear: he was not a Marxist. And that is fine, John Brown was not a Marxist, Mandela was not a Marxist, Jose Marti was not a Marxist, Yahya Sinwar was not a Marxist
They were natlib fighters. Heroic natlib fighters which any good Marxist must support. But precisely because they were not Marxists, there inevitably will be flaws in their reasoning and actions. That is normal. All of you assholes would understand this if we were talking about white boys. But when it comes to Blacks and Arabs, you make mental gymnastics to present them as Jesus because of your fake Ibram X Kendi performative cuckoldry. You treat africans and arabs as children who cannot be criticised, lest they start crying.
One obvious flaw of Malcom is his islamic detour. This whole "when I went to Mecca and I saw white and black praying together gnan gnan gnan" is ridiculous. So if instead we airlifted him in a Qatari household where they treat the Kenyan maid as a slave, he would conclude the opposite? As if black and whites do not worship together in the Vatican?
So yeah, you get ́my point I hope
>>2599581Can you be our next Obama?
>>2599565>Why will imperialists give up their whip and stop extracting?you are conceding that their condition is influenced by the exploitation imposed by them, by the Europeans. and even so you won't want to admit that on itself that created the capitalism system?
you can't keep tumbling around with these contradictions. as I said: feel and vibes logic.
>How does that prove that colonialism is the direct and primary cause of capitalism though? In a very simplified resume:
colonialism changes the inner-relations of the structural system of each colonized state or simply imposes a system where the colonized state losses independence and its sovereignty depends upon the colonizers. this causes the main source of wealth accumulation. Marx describes it in Das Kapital: Primitive Accumulation. in Grundrisse, Marx and Engels basically described that it served to control and secure the raw material extraction from those territories, that later on industrialized in a capitalist mode of production inside of these colonial powers. and because the colonies never had or lost their sovereignty, other states that had no colonizing power, couldn't compete in fair conditions to secure these raw materials, therefore, reciprocates the co-dependence between the colonized states and the colonialist states.
by that, it's a reason why a country that has no capability to produce tobacco as britain, it's has the largest company on earth that produces tobacco, the British-American Tobacco company or simply the BAT, and similar companies, like oil and gas companies, etc.
>>2599567
>Like he's not even American dude what the fuck are you talking about.the fuck would I know. as I am only 24/7 studying every single sharty poster that comes in.
>>2599568>Buddy if they saw your behavior here in context they would block you lmfao.>You have NO RIGHT to be saying this shit. You're out of your fucking depthsperging cia talking points is out of depth? are you a moron? literally "Africa shouldn't be crying colonialism reeeeee" are you out of your mind? see the fucking replies of all the black people to that Jacobin magazine post in X, they all want to murder fucking jacobinites. uncle tom is the least of their problems.
>Shut the fuck up and to the doctor because you barely slept 4 hours I watchedhuh? you are confused.
>>2599587>you are conceding that their condition is influenced by the exploitation imposed by themUhh yeah? Cause and effect as far as I know is a physical law
>>2599590>no reply to how capitalism surged from colonialismI concede your defeat.
>>2599582picrel
>>2599481Chibber is causing so much salt with this. It's like colonies in Europe like Ireland didn't exist in the first place. Also so many misunderstandings of enclosure and the town and country contradiction.
>>2599587>black people shitting on jacobin magAnd? Are all black people scholars of history, politics and economy? Do you give a shit if inbred Alabama crackers collectively get mad at something? Maybe they're mad because for a long time now the culture industry of Amerikkka has shoved in their brains that a big pile of rocks has been stolen from them, and that is the ONLY cause of backwardness in africa.
It is now clear to me. The first step to progress in Africa is the Total American Scholar Death.
>>2599593>It's like colonies in Europe like Ireland didn't exist in the first placesalty on who. salty on who.
>>2599594>still no reply on how colonialism created capitalism as explained through the example of a country that produces no tobacco because no climate conditions to do so, dominates the world production of tobacco and its derivatives.Marxist analysis I gave aside, feel free to objectively formulate a response that isn't sperging about stuff you don't understand.
yeah, absolute retard.
>>2599597You keep vomitting various things and act as if they form part of a coherent whole, what do you want me to say?
You are not worth my time. Go wank over Fred Hampton and have a good night's sleep.
Merchants created capitalism, actually
Something something le merchant capital was le embryo of capitalism inside le previous dominant modes of production or something
Actually capitalism has always existed and is the default state of a society composed of freely associating people
Chibber keeps winning
Radlib malding
>>2599599>Go wank over Fred Hampton Be careful what you wish for
>>2599605Capitalism is a mode of production that is dominant now.
>>2599610Is this actually Felix though?
Shame, I have defended him many times here.
>>2599605Sentinel island people have capitalism
>>2599612You should never meet your heroes so they say
Capitalism is when my girlfriend makes me wear lipstick
Alright someone bake a new thread
I hope I entertained you assholes today
Im gonna get some work done now
>>2599617Why didn't leftychuds tell me? I love capitalism now
I hate Chagos
>>2599553>totaliseAfrican and upset about reparation talk. So how is those trips to London from your well to do upper class family while exploiting proles
>>2599627my family have never travelled anywhere you moron
I have never travelled anywhere except to South Africa to go to university
>>2599627that is the difference between Africans who wanted their independence and those who like to lick the asshole of the masters expecting gibs (like our shameful neighbours from La Reunion, they refuse independence and remain French territory because of that sweet sweet French ass)
>>2599626Chagos hates you too, radlib
new thread >>2599640
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we got 40 more in this one
>>2599793>competition lowers heckin prices!!!not really, technological innovation lowers prices, but only for commodities, and only when it lowers the socially necessary labor time required to produce the commodity. But this doesn't apply to insurance. In fact, the more "competitors" there are in an insurance market, the smaller the pool of money each body of "customers" make. The only reason insurance is able to "pay" for your health care is because all the other customers pooled their money together by paying a monthly bill for a long time while not receiving any care. That's just a collective fund. If society has one of those, instead of 1000 of those, then it has one large pool of money, instead of 1000 pools of money. But the rich like their insurance segregated, and they don't like pooling money with the poor, for obvious reasons.
>>2599795Yeah but have you considered we'll finally live the American dream of being sold overpriced health insurance by talking cartoon animals?
>>2599582You already have Mamdani, how many more new Obamas do you need?
Chinese history textbook teacher's guide in 1958
>…moreover, conditions differed between the north and south. Farmers, living in poverty, frequently had to borrow money. The Yuan government itself operated high-interest loans. From the reign of Emperor Shizu until the eighth year of the Yuan era (1271), it established "Ortogh Offices," managed by ortogh people (i.e., Jews). Although nominally set at a 30% interest rate, in practice, principal and interest were compounded annually; the total amount of principal and interest doubled each year. A loan of one tael of silver would grow to 1024 taels after ten years, known as "sheep producing lambs" interest. If borrowers could not repay upon maturity, their wives, children, and livestock were seized. Under the exploitation of these high-interest loans, many farmers were driven to bankruptcy and ruin, or forced into becoming tenant farmers for landlords, enduring extremely harsh exploitation.
>>2598830What’s the context of this meme? Why is the pope holding Baldur’s Gate?
>>2599808that's not the pope, it's cpusanon
>>2599808Iron Felixs obsession with CPUSAanon
>>2599807> it established "Ortogh Offices," managed by ortogh people (i.e., Jews)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OrtoghOrtogh people aren't Jewish though.
>>2599814actually it doesn't even seem to be an ethnic group, but a class
>>2599807I yandexed your pic, and it does mention Jews, that's interesting.
I wonder if this is an quirk of translation or what. Also is this simplified or traditional Chinese? Was this text from Communist mainland China, or from Taiwan (Kuomintang held), or from Hong Kong (still British held)? There's a lot of missing context. Not sure why you're bringing it up in /usapol/ though except as spicy bait.
>>2599808This thread is now a /vg/-tier general full of obscure inside jokes and eccentric posters.
wassup you stupid fucking treatlers
>>2599824it was so nice without your snob left com presence here
I guess all good things must come to an end
>>2599829If the means of production were owned by the workers and what they produce was distributed evenly this would indeed be the case. Too bad we instead feel the need to starve tens of millions of people within our own country to make five guys even richer
>>2599829What are you saying chagos poster?
>>2599594Embarrassing concession to the argument Chagos poster, a sad sight to see
did you know thailand sends teams out to foreign countries to arrest and kill exiles who talk shit about the monarchy
>>2599843What argument? I see no argument at all.
>>2599861Genuinely the most depressing way to get in and the depressing way to get out
>>2599854Is Thailand the place with the king that wears crop tops and looks like a twink?
>>2599865Yes, that one. Thailand is just a bizarre imperial germany.
>>2599841People get imprisoned for reading books. Nice try fed
>>2599856The one about how colonialism is primary cause of capitalism through primitive accumulation and the practical example given. You're cheekily ignoring/disregarding it, but it just looks like concession and cope from where im standing. Again, it's sad to see
>>2599872There was no primitive accumulation in colonies
>>2599878That's not an argument
>>2599872I linked the Cockshott video which explains things clearly. Just take 10 minutes of your hyper precious time and clarify your mind.
>>2599879You didnt show how there was primitive accumulation in colonies. You dont even know what primitive accumulation is.
>>2599880I didn't see that because it was not in the reply chain lol
>>2599881Im genuinely asking how there was not. Im not the anon you were arguing with
>>2599886There just wasnt, okay?
Who are the Turtle Island Liberation Front? Whole thing sounds like an entrapment scheme to me.
>>2599890The immediate future of anyone who puts trust in Aluminum Frederick and "forms an armed body of the proletariat" under his supervision.
Before anyone claims otherwise, this is not to say you shouldn't. Just dont fucking talk about it on a public internet forum. OPSEC is a real thing
>>2599881>>2599888>>2599875>>2599878didn't European colonial rule destroy India social and productive organizations (a.k.a.
the historical process of divorcing the producer from the means of production. It appears as primitive, because it forms the prehistoric stage of capital and of the mode of production corresponding with it https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch26.htm)?
>>2599596you are confusing colonialism with slavery. it's ok, you are not a smart person. you cry that Africans shouldn't be crying tears for their colonialized rule.
>>2599904that's interesting to hear the inside baseball on that. I assume that's also Molotov speaking there.
>>2599906>african tearsyeah you are a sentimental moron, I know.
I am definitely not taking anti-colonial lessons from you, Funko-addict.
Colonialism played a huge role in European capitalism, no doubt. But it was not the primary factor. European class struggle, European bourgeois dominance over the European working class, which grew directly from European bourgeois rule are the driving forces for European capitalism. Simple as.
I am not an American narcissist who places his 'suffering' and 'oppression' in the centre of everything.
honkoid status?
>>2599914Yeah that's Old Molotov. Read Molotov Remembers. It's highly informative. And you also see the gulf between these Old Bolsheviks and modern 'communists'. It becomes clear why they moved mountains and rivers and why we shitpost on the internet.
>>2599912Marx disagrees:
>England has to fulfill a double mission in India: one destructive, the other regenerating the annihilation of old Asiatic society, and the laying the material foundations of Western society in Asia.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1853/07/22.htm>laying the material foundations of Western society =laying material foundations for capitalist production.just if it isn't clear what
laying the material foundations of Western society means.
>Funko-addict. the funny part of all the exchange with the race traitor is that he assumes I am American since post one:
>>2599481,
>>2599499,
>>2599521, (all me) etc.
I am not, lmao.
>mfw >>2599935You are spiritually American.
>race-traitor Guten Abend Herr Hitler, wie geht's?
>>2599935No prmitive accumulation mentioned. You are making it up.
>>2599593not all colonies laid the foundations for capitalism by securing raw materials, but colonialism
is the source of commodity procurement that capitalism needed to develop.
your weird syllogism is like seeing a white dog on the street and you assume all the dogs are white.
>>2599906>>2599935Wait, so, proletarianizing peasantoids IS primitive accumulation?
>You are spiritually American.liberal nonsense.
>speaks in German>imbbbblying I am an European.poor guy, is lost.
>>2599944>The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of black-skins, signalised the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production. These idyllic proceedings are the chief momenta of primitive accumulation. On their heels treads the commercial war of the European nations, with the globe for a theatre. It begins with the revolt of the Netherlands from Spain, assumes giant dimensions in England’s Anti-Jacobin War, and is still going on in the opium wars against China, &c.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htmhere, as clear as the sun. As I've explained: only through colonialism is that a country like Britain, with no climate to produce tobacco managed to develop an industry that today is largest producer of tobacco around the world.
>>2599955in essence, on a veeery resumed way, yes, but only if it secured specific raw materials to the colonial powers.
>>2599978Raw materials like proletarianized peasantoids who have to work in english factories and opium field i assume
>>2599975I did not call you European, I called you Hitler
>tobaccoyeah Marx is talking about England becoming the largest tobacco producer.
And you can add sugar to that, my country was a sugar producing colony for the Brits in which my ancestors worked in.
But that's about sugar, tobacco etc, not capitalism in general. Colonialism greatly helped capitalism, but did not
cause it.
It's always the retards with a lack of reading comprehension who are the most smug about their (non) arguments.
Capitalism caused colonialism and not vice-versa. Once colonialism started, it then became a symbiotic relationship where they complemented each other.
But to claim that colonialism happened first, and then caused capitalism, is the height of stupidity. Anyone with at least half a brain should understand this. Those who insist on disagreeing are sentimental radlib wreckers who have infiltrated a supposedly communist space to instil poison in the minds of the naive and innocent.
>>2599997oh, hitler surely would have been worried in blaming colonizers for the situation in Africa at the current day. dimwit.
>But that's about sugar, tobacco etc, not capitalism in general. name one industry in Britain that wasn't sustained from the colonial procurement of raw materials during the transition between the colonial power to a capitalist mode of production. and I am talking about when the transition between feudalism and capitalism happened, in the 18th century.
in fact, any other country, you name it. but the condition must be reflected as such:
that such pre-industrial production existed before the change, and also existed after the change.
for every one company that you can bring, I am confident I can bring
1 industry that died because of the end of the rule of a colonized state, where the colonized state gained full sovereignty to deal with its own raw materials.
3 more that existed in a co-dependence state between the colonized states and the now imperialist state (after the colonial rule becomes industrialized that's more
imperialism).
don't try cheap shots like water services.
>>2600033Britain had a capitalist mode of production before colonization. That's what Marx meant by
>The money capital formed by means of usury and commerce was prevented from turning into industrial capital, in the country by the feudal constitution, in the towns by the guild organisation. [3] These fetters vanished with the dissolution of feudal society, with the expropriation and partial eviction of the country population. The new manufactures were established at sea-ports, or at inland points beyond the control of the old municipalities and their guilds. Hence in England an embittered struggle of the corporate towns against these new industrial nurseries.Acquiring money by loot or brute extraction which happened also under feudalism did not result in the birth of industrial capital because the feudal system did not allow it. There is a reason why Marx started with the Dutch rebellion against Habsburg Spain and not with the Spanish empire itself, which despite its vast corvee labour estates in the colonies was basically a feudal society with overlapping jurisdiction and no industry of note
war in vulveluza incoming! Hide your iphones and toothbrushes
>>2602239Jerkin' instead of Werkin' is a good motto
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