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>>2603312Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchetfLoOd DeTeCtEd PoSt DiScArDeD Reminder that reading to your kids gives them an unfair advantage against other kids
I wonder if the dude who first joked about treatlerism on Twitter could foresee that his shitpost would become the scientific theory of our era and occupy 90% of discussions in 'leftist' online spaces…
>>2604477The empirical evidence came first, the memes followed. Obviously the memes are dumbed down and more and more aimed at making burgers seethe
>>2604475Do libs even know what unfair advantage is? I feel like lib lefts are increasingly being a rightoid caricature of the left, as in a Nietzschean last man who despised all discomfort and confuse mediocrity with egalitarianism. Its understandable to be like this since unlike with Nietzsche i think this mentality is a result of economic scarcity and not from some bourgeois decadence, but if your mentality is like that you should be nowhere near any talks of a radical revolution much less a Marxist revolution
Avatar 3 is a dumpster Fire (and Ash) but is already nominated for a shitton of awards and is about to make a few billies.
Fun fact, criticism gets purged on sites such as reddit and 4/tv/ because the literal existence of the cinema industry hinges on raking in the big buxx at the end of the year.
>>2604482Ameroids on this site are very upset about the treatler discourse. Probably rings a little too true for them
>>2604514Im expecting the mods to nuke the threads and ban many people. The mods usually prefer some isg drama or idpol niche nonsense but they do not tolerate assaults on the first world.
Imagine being snitch on by a predditor of all “people”
>>2604486Damn anon, you watched it on release day too. What was so bad about it?
Americans 'proles' are having breakfast and will then comooooote to 'work'
>>2604523Anerikkkans are allowed one “lego my eggo” and microplastic filled keurig coffee cup as a treat for tolerating 7.25 min wage
>>2604526Microplastics prodoooced by Chinese proles mind you.
Even in poisoning themselves, they cannot help being fascist exploiters.
>>2604486The first two Avatar movies were glorious Maoist cinema did they go on the capitalost road.
>>2604479China has the best and cheapest treats. They have cheap cars and ridiculous roads with a zillion lanes. They worship money. China will be the perfect America 2.0.
>>2604533They don't make as much as the US also their treats aren't built on the backs of exploitation of the third world
>>26045267.25 USD goes pretty far outside of the imperial core
WASHINGTON, Dec 17 (Reuters) - The Trump administration intends to increase its efforts to strip some naturalized Americans of their U.S. citizenship, the New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing internal guidance.
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services guidance, which was issued on Tuesday, asks its field offices to "supply Office of Immigration Litigation with 100-200 denaturalization cases per month" in the upcoming 2026 fiscal year, according to the newspape
That would mark a dramatic increase in denaturalization cases, which, according to the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, stood at about 11 per year between 1990 and 2017.
Under U.S. law, a person can be denaturalized for several reasons, including illegally gaining U.S. citizenship and misrepresenting a material fact during the naturalization process.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-seeks-ramp-up-denaturalization-some-us-citizens-new-york-2025-12-17/>>2604533>CHYNAHmalding yank
This thread is extremely ass
post treats
>>2604556Essay status Chagos poster?
>>2604558What essay? I do not partake in Liberal Arts nonsense.
>>2604535that's why i send money outside the US sometimes yeah
>>2604486All those movies suck dick. 0 plot originality and just visuals and eye candy.
I hate all of you
save for a few…
China has filed a lawsuit in a court in Wuhan against the US state of Missouri and several American officials, accusing them of harming China’s economic and reputational interests through litigation linked to the Covid-19 pandemic.
According to documents released by Missouri Attorney General Catherine Hanaway, the lawsuit was filed in a court in Wuhan by Chinese scientific and state institutions. Those named as defendants include the State of Missouri, Governor Mike Kehoe, US Senator Eric Schmitt, and former Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey.
The complaint argues that Missouri’s legal actions and public statements constituted “vexatious litigation” and defamation, causing significant economic losses and damaging China’s sovereignty and development interests. Beijing is seeking $50.5 billion in compensation and legal costs, and is also demanding public apologies from the defendants in major US and Chinese media outlets.
The lawsuit comes as Missouri moves to enforce a $24 billion default judgment issued earlier this year by a federal court in Missouri. The state filed a lawsuit in 2020 alleging that China concealed information about Covid-19 and interfered with the global supply of personal protective equipment during the early months of the pandemic. Chinese entities did not appear in the proceedings.
Death death to the reddit left
>>2604579Luckily they already banned thedeprogram and genzedong, critical support to reddit admins
>>2604580Gen Zedong was the only good sub on that site
>>2604580Now they're on lemmygrad.ml a better place than the shithole known as le reddit
Mamdani’s new appointments chief resigns over anti-Jewish posts
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/12/18/mamdanis-new-appointments-chief-resigns-over-anti-jewish-posts-00698710One of Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani’s new appointees resigned after just a day on the job over decade-old social media posts that recalled antisemitic tropes.
Newly minted Director of Appointments Catherine Almonte Da Costa tendered her resignation this afternoon just hours after her past comments came to light.
“As the mother of Jewish children, I feel a profound sense of sadness and remorse at the harm these words have caused,” she said in a statement. “As this has become a distraction from the work at hand, I have offered my resignation.”
In a series of social media posts, Da Costa fired off statements that included: “Money hungry Jews smh”; “Woo! Promoted to the upstairs office today! Working alongside these rich Jewish peeps.”; and “Far Rockaway train is the Jew train,” according to the Judge Street Journal, which highlighted the posts before Da Costa deleted her X account.
Mamdani has struggled to win over Jewish communities, which — uncomfortable with his past criticism of Israel and his failure to condemn the phrase “globalize the intifada” — staunchly opposed his candidacy. The newly revealed tweets from a now-former top aide do little to help him mend those deep divisions, as evidenced by social media posts from the Anti-Defamation League, which has a contentious relationship with the incoming administration.
“Tweeting about ‘Money hungry Jews’ is indefensible,” the New York and New Jersey chapter of the organization wrote, noting that many of Da Costa’s posts echoed antisemitic tropes. “We appreciate Da Costa has relationships with members of the Jewish community, but her posts require immediate explanation — not just from Ms. Da Costa, but also from the Mayor-Elect.”
Da Costa apologized for her remarks, which were made when she was between the ages of 19 and 20.
“I spoke with the mayor-elect this afternoon, apologized, and expressed my deep regret for my past statements,” she said.
Mamdani also condemned the remarks.
“Catherine expressed her deep remorse over her past statements and tendered her resignation, and I accepted,” the mayor-elect said in a statement.
The incident raises serious questions about the transition’s vetting process.
For such an obvious thing to eyeball before hiring someone into one of the most highly scrutinized administrations in recent memory, Pekec said the transition was unaware of the posts when it brought Da Costa aboard.
Da Costa, who was born in the Domincan Republic, had more recent thoughts on the onboarding process: “When we operate the way White power has operated for generations by opening doors for our own, is it considered nepotism?” she wrote in 2019. “Or is it just leveling the playing field?”
so what's the deal here? sorry if it was already posted yesterday
>>2604593FBI entrapment flase flags to slowly have consent to dismantle poor immigrant programs that protect them from slavery lmao
>>2604605Based Mamdani punishing Idpol
>>2604566Wrong, avatar is a based TWist movie about how the only way for the westerner to meaningfully facilitate the collapse of global imperialism is to kill the white man in himself and join up with the anti imperialist forces of the periphery
>>2604523What level of consumption is the maximum you can go to as a 1st worlder and not be a treatler
I only like Avatar for its unique displays of advanced technology and industry. Otherwise, I don’t particularly care for it.
>>2604605That's why I talk shit on leftypol and not on social media where my name and face is visible.
>>2604476Possibly but trump never struck me as the type of snake oil salesman to use his own supply
>>2604616You have a right to have breakfast.
>>2604612I don't buy anybody gifts.
Male pornstars only exist as a hard cock. Unlike female pornstars, nobody cares about their facial expressions, their quirks, their moans etc. By 2036, all male pornstars will be fully replaced by mechanized dildos. The latter, by design, have the advantage of being bigger, harder, longer lasting and blast more cum.
Thus, I advise young men to avoid the porn industry and become militant communists instead.
>>2604569100 hydrogen bombs vs 1 coughing baby
>NEW: The mayor of Richmond, CA apologized after sharing social media posts calling Bondi Beach a "false flag," another saying Israel is the "root cause of antisemitism" and a third suggesting Bondi was committed by a former IDF soldier.
Reminder: Both zohran and Trump admit that they agree on most issues. The only substantive difference between them is the precise identity of who they think should benefit from American imperialism.
>>2604610But I'm doing so he helped the Zionists materially
>>2604619mein jewish nigger
>>2604625True but only on a technicality cuz Islam doesnt have any concept of human rights in general, like in Catholicism or Judaism all rights exist because it is granted by God rather than inherent in nature (albeit this just eventually evolve into natural rights because if God creates every human there should be a baseline level of dignity afforded to everyone) but also just because a religion said so doesnt mean the practitioners are gonna do that. Muslim clergy in the past could not even stop the sultans from drinking wine or having gay sex with their slaves, because there is this thing called pragmatism and material reality, so the belief that the average Ahmad is gonna pick up a sword against the infidels just because so and so scholar said so is simply unrealistic esp in an age with nuclear weapons
>>2604643>>2604645If I lived there I'd Voot for him even harder
>>2604605Jesus Christ this is all so fucking s0y. Both the way this woman posts and the way Mamdani got completely whipped like a week after the election. I can't believe I ever took entryism seriously.
Zohran is a rootless cosmopolitan petit-bourgeois who was correctly expelled from Uganda by decolonial hero Idi Amin Dada for being a leech on the Ugandan proletariat.
Only in the wretched New York City could such a disgusting bloodsucker be hailed as a heroic 'socialist'.
a zohran for every american city tbh
>>2604655I miss the time when James Cuckeron made movies rather than tech demos
Americans are 'working'
>>2604618the cabal meets for weekly zoom meetings, Davos is just theatrics
>>2604659Like what the original Terminator? You could argue everything else he has done is tech demos
>Jamaal Bowman, the far-left former House member who is pursuing an appointment as New York City Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani’s public schools chancellor, recently posted a comment on Instagram supporting remarks from neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes, Jewish Insider’s Emily Jacobs reports. The unearthed comment comes weeks after Bowman said that he has been “pushing hard” for Mamdani to name him as schools chancellor so he could lead a “revolution in our public schools.”
<Show of support: Bowman made the comment on an Instagram reel of Fuentes posted in September, which featured the antisemitic commentator making the case that Republicans weren’t a “better” choice than Democrats for working people, but were instead “better” for Israel, the oil and gas industry, Silicon Valley and Wall Street. The caption on the video, posted by an unnamed user, which has 2.6 million views and more than 239 thousand likes, reads: “The type of Racist ifw [I f*** with].” In a comment, Bowman wrote, “Finally getting it Nick. Now go a step further. This is the same playbook they use to divide and conquer us based on race to maintain their oligarchy. It’s us, against the oligarchy. Now no more racist bullshit from you.”
>>2604688he may not be the /ourguy/ we want, but he is exactly the /ourguy/ we deserve
Anybody heard of the cooperatives in Jackson MS?
Found this article about them basically being hitched to the non profit industrial complex and acting as a method of capital accumulation for the local bourg to entice the feds to invest in if a "green new deal" were to happen
>>2604688literally a nothingburger, only zionists could be mad at this comment
>>2604691post the link man
>>2604705Not putting that much effort into this garbage website
Daily reminder that CPUSA hasn't lifted single finger to help venezuela over the past months. They only dick ride congress and dick ride democrat this whole time. They sink to common liberalism and say beg congress to vote
>>2604683its crazy how you can almost touch the seethe of the person who made this when you look at it
>>2604717Yeah, where the hell are the CPUSA supersoldiers?
>>2604479Treatlerite theory has been vulgarized by redditors, but it is irrefutable and materialist. The treat is the cell of imperialism. The treat is highest form of commodity-form. Treat consumption is ritualized, fetishized exploitation and oppression. The treat is the basic unit of the labor aristocracy: all they know and think in is treats. People wrongly say Laboubou is treat, but Laboubou is product of Communist commodity production, not imperialism.
>>2604706>Not chicken vindalooAre you some sort of vegan spook?
>>2604722Some prick was saying i was butthurt that CPUSA doesnt have suicide bomber brigade. This is partially factual.
Mao say power comes from gun. Party without armed wing is not actually a party and just a bunch of dick riders. They dont have to be suicide bombers, they dont even have to have armed wing to do anything. The fact is they do literally nothing so an armed wing would be good
are you guys surprised that people around hate USA people? lol
>>2604688<Republicans weren’t a “better” choice than Democrats for working people, but were instead “better” for Israel, the oil and gas industry, Silicon Valley and Wall Street. <“Finally getting it Nick. Now go a step further. This is the same playbook they use to divide and conquer us based on race to maintain their oligarchy. It’s us, against the oligarchy. Now no more racist bullshit from you.”Zero lies detected.
>>2604735IT'S HAPPENINGor it's not happening
>>2604737I doubt we'll get a war announcement before christmas
This is the pentagon we're talking about. The pentagon is always obsessed with optics, and if it can't do optics, it'll do shit clandestinely.
>>2604625I recently spotted a post on social media saying the exact opposite, and that virtually everybody apart from active combatants against Muslims have protected status. I'd imagine that your pic expresses an extreme and minority viewpoint among Muslims.
>>2604740you
really don't think people around hate USAnians. wow
>>2604744>you really don't think people around hate USAnians. wownot what i said. you hate us, but there's no way you hate our working class more than our ruling class. yet this is the essence of treatler discourse: "my enemy is not the american ruling class, my enemy is the american people"
>>2604482It's the most successful COINTELPRO operation to date.
>>2604744notice how treatler discourse always begins and ends with making up shit nobody said
>>2604655i felt so sad watching this scene omg
>>2604740Dude, last time I met an American tourist in Eastern Europe he tried to educate me how the Holocaust wasn't real. Before that, I met two Amerilibs who tried to educate me about the local laws, and 'strangely' it sounded a lot like they projected burger laws onto the rest of the world.
You guys are NOT liked anywhere. Not even in Western Europe. Pro-US culture (freedom, harley davidson, big boobies, french fries, hell yeah) has been considered cringe since the late 2000's, and now even the lib hollywood movies/musac is considered cringe.
>>2604741I mean this IS the same administration that rebranded the "Department of War" and wants to instill a "warrior ethos", I dont know if we have the same definition of optics at this point
>>2604740>ordinary american workers think that the whole world hates them more than the american ruling classBesides the obvious class differences, American culture is overall revolting.
>>2604753Do your anecdotes about american bourgeois tourists being holocaust deniers say anything meaningful about the american working class? I have literally never set foot in another country to do "tourism."
First occupy wall street was crushed. Then came the liberal idpol. Now we have the treatler idpol, whose main thesis is that, supposedly, the whole world agrees "my enemy is not the american ruling class, but the american people." I don't see this as organic discourse, but essentially a deployed narrative by the american bourgeoisie using sockpuppet accounts. That is my thesis. I have said nothing about your personal anecdotes with reactionary american bourgeois tourists who can afford to vacation on your soil.
>>2604755i'm talking about class and you're talking about culture. Let's get back on the rails, shall we? Why is the american working class your enemy while the american ruling class is not?
Marx said the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, the american ruling class creates and proliferates the revolting amnerican "culture" including the divide-and-conquer tactics of idpol discourse, treatler discourse, etc.
>>2604756>bourgeois touriststhey were random middle class people
>>2604758>Why is the american working class your enemyI certainly didn't say that. You posted a twitter compilation and basically assumed that "this is all of you who disagree with me".
You are THAT retarded, btw.
>>2604759>they were random middle class peopleso petty bourgeois then
but again:
<Do your anecdotes about american bourgeois tourists being holocaust deniers say anything meaningful about the american working class? I have literally never set foot in another country to do "tourism." >>2604740that shit isn't a psyop its just narcissistic social rejects coping with their own inability to have constructive conversations about politics since they can only throw online temper tantrums about how everyone is liberal nazi except for them. They come from the petty bourgeois and labor aristocracy and think since that them and are all of there peers are annoying and entitled the same must be true for everyone else. they are on the same level as halfchan users who think being a self absorbed misanthrope makes you better than everyone else.
>>2604760it's the central thesis of treatler discourse: that the enemy is the entire "people" and not simply the ruling class. it's essentially an interclass narrative. even now a guy is saying "but fat middle class tourists came here and denied the holocaust in front of me! this proves something!"
bruh. look at this shit.
it is unfathomable to burgers that people around the world might hate USAnians LMAO
>>2604762One was an IT dev (holocaust denier) the other some kind of forestry worker. You keep projecting, you drooling retard.
>>2604763>they are on the same level as halfchan users who think being a self absorbed misanthrope makes you better than everyone else.maybe, but it seems very organized to me. the OP screenshot genuinely reminds me of the local news anchors all being passed the slogan "this is very dangerous to our democracy"
>>2604766I asked you a question you keep dodging.
<Do your anecdotes about american petty bourgeois tourists being holocaust deniers say anything meaningful about the american working class? >>2604769IT devs and forestry workers aren't petty-bourg, you drooling, projecting, narcissistic retard
>>2604482divide and conquer, a tale as old as time
>>2604765repeating the same fake assertion already made here:
>>2604744which was responded to here:
>>2604747I know why the american GOVERNMENT and RULING CLASS and SOLDIERS and COPS are hated the world over, but I'll never get why the thesis extends to the entire people, unless your entire outlook is nation-based and not class-based
prof jiang is a lib
>>2604775he's an actual holocaust denier
>>2604765ppl hate USians cuz of people like (you) anon- obnoxious Histrionic cluster Bs that make everything about themselves
>>2604771you called them middle class and i have heard treatler discourse people say on here that making anything above subsistence wages makes you petty bourgeois. but ignoring that, you keep acting like, over and over again, your alleged random interaction with a tourist says anything about all of us. Did I deny the holocaust? Why did your personal anecdote become the center of attention rather than systems? You remind me of racist americans who hate black people because they got mugged once. "oh this heckin american tourist denied the holocaust at me, that's why I hate you, because you're from the same country as that guy." Not even children think so reductively. You have to be trained to paint with so broad a brush.
>>2604740Man, people just say what is socially acceptable. or rewarding. What you are seeing is the original meaning of "meme", before the image macros, reaction images and soyjaks took over.
Before that, it was the retarded "common sense" and sayings that plagued a particular cultural niche. Consolidated social media has just expanded the scope a lot and, because it is very profitable, developed an expectation of internet avatars being real and entitled to real person treatment whether they are acted or not.
>>2604777>hey fellow americans in the fellow america thread, how can we overthrow our ruling class<hah, you fat evil disgusting burgers are just as evil as your ruling class>uh? wtf? <that's right, you have to make everythign about yourself don't youliterally just go to another thread.
>>2604778You are talking to me, not to others. You are on leftypol/USApol, not elsewhere. I don't wish to debate your images of others. You clearly have not the modicum of respect in this discussion towards others.
>>2604781memes aren't always organic. sometimes they're planted. sometimes the bird shits out the seeds, sometimes the seeds fall from the tree, sometimes the farmer puts them in the ground on purpose.
>>2604782go to board that actually wants (you) if such a thing actually exists lmao
>>2604783>You clearly have not the modicum of respect in this discussion towards others.you opened with "the reason I hate you is because a random tourist I met once denied the holocaust"
>9 out of 10 USA/pol/ OP's are about how the USA sucks dick economically, culturally, politically
<W-WHAT DID YOUR ILK SAY ABOUT MY AMERICAN WORKING CLASS ON TWITTER?!
>>2604787>the ruling class made your society suck ass so I hate you for being born there. deal with it.the distilled essence of national chauvinism. btw I don't think americans are better than anyone else before you accuse me of that.
USians got fucking tilted by internet comments lol
Let's be honest here.
You guys hate yourselves the most.
However it just tingles your narcissism strings when it comes from abroad.
It's like we are taking away "your thang."
>>2604792the argument is that these "internet comments" are not organic but a top-down ruling class psy op to instill even more defensive national chauvinism in americans at the precise moment that they should be developing class consciousness and turning on their ruling class. you have all these accounts, probably large language models, out of nowhere, adopting this strange slogan over the last couple of years, that seem to encourage subtly that the american workers should side with their ruling class because, after all, the workers of the world do not want the american working class to do anything or to join them, because they are the enemy too. that is the deeper implication. in real life, communists take seriously any bourgeois propaganda and attempt to divide the proletariat, but on here it is reveled in, because at least the workers from the right country are having their cortisol spike. it is a total politics of spite with no real function behind it other than dividing the proletariat. any analysis of it along these lines is characteristically getting dismissed as "typical amerifat seething" etc etc because there is no real counter argument. just more politics of spite. you hate analysis, and see analysis as anger, and revel in disrupting it. I want the american class to awaken and turn on their ruling class. others seemingly want them to go down with the ship. that's interesting.
You can tell some here can't let go of their american nationalism no matter what. It offends them if you say anything negative about the people of america when it includes it impacting their personal life.
Which is why they are okay shitting on Israel cause it has zero impact on them. With Americans though they have a lot of sympathy and tell you about the poor Americans who are just confused and they want better for them
>>2604805hes just trolling anon
>>2604753>>2604791> Pro-US culture (freedom, harley davidson, big boobies, french fries, hell yeah) nobody is trying to argue about culture but you. american culture is garbage. I am combating the thesis that "the enemy is the american people, not the american ruiling class" which is the essence of treatler discourse
>>2604806see
>>2604789<"I don't think americans are better than anyone else before you accuse me of that.">>2604810no. in between the smug dismissals he is putting forward points he intends to be serious. I know the difference.
>>2604805>the argument is that these "internet comments" are not organic [goes into schizo territory]The dislike of Americans all around the globe is completely organic. Your country gave billions of reasons for that. That a funny tweet is retweeted hundreds of times is completely understandable.
Have a miserable day! (which is to say, an above avg. burger day!)
>>2604812>I am combating the thesis that "the enemy is the american people, not the american ruiling class"Then go to twitter, you schizo, because sure as fuck I haven't said that.
>>2604815I have a very simple question I want you to answer. Is your enemy the international bourgeoisie or simply "people" (interclass) of particular nationalities you do not like?
>>2604812Cause you have immense sympathy for Americans and it impacts your day to day life as an american. You refuse to see anything negative in what they benefit from, what their views are and what they advocate for. You want zero agency or critique.
>>2604815im detecting minute traces of seethe in this post
>>2604817>Then go to twitter, you schizo, because sure as fuck I haven't said that.that is the thesis in this thread DAILY going back months, and I want the people putting it forward to go to twitter, actually, so we can discuss CLASS STRUGGLE here.
>>>"I don't think americans are better than anyone else before you accuse me of that."
Not good enough, lmao.
>>2604805it's a meme jesus christ
they're referencing a tweet
>>2604821No, anon,
your personal cognitive mapping is fucked. You project your erroneous interpretation of what is going on here onto posters here and attack them as if you were on Twitter.
meds, etc.
>>2604819>. You refuse to see anything negative in what they benefit frombuddy, I've read killing hope. I get what the american govt. has done and I get why america as a government is hated. I know about the coups, sanctions, embargoes, etc. The bourgeoisie "benefit" from that and I don't. the consequences for me is I get called a traitor over here for being against that stuff.
>>2604823Gee, I wonder what an ex-yugo commie would have against the sacred American people who cheered their bombing as an act of justice!
>>2604822It's tour defensiveness over the topic. You lay absolutely zero blame on Americans, their views, their actions and what they benefit from. You want it to be 100% on the top end people only. Cause you see Americans as helpless, lost and HECKIN chungus victims. Cause you live around them and are one so you are extremely sympathetic. You don't hold these views for Israelis cause it does not impact your life what happens to Israel and you are not there. You have a vested interest in backing Americans and advocating for them either consciously or unconsciously. It's literally the same as a small business owner defending his right to his business in class interest
>>2604822Not good enough eh? See. that's the eternal struggle ITT. I can try to bring it back to class struggle, and you'll show up to say "I don't believe you. not good enough. you just want treats"
>>2604823Both are a problem
>The bourgeoisie "benefit" from [imperialism]
Wait, why the scare quotes? Are you saying not even the bourgeoisie is benefiting from imperialism? lolwut
>and I don't.
You do. Your standard of living would drop without US hegemony. It's a simple fact.
>t-they treat me as a traitor here if I say I want imperialism to stop!
But that you are. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!
i just find it really funny how fragile USians are. truly they are the progenitors of Israelis
>>2604826You again only look at the government and not the people. That's not the lesson.
>>2604834>Your standard of living would drop without US hegemony. It's a simple fact.debunked many times over
<To suggest, as some do, that the welfare state, pensions and national health services in the North were only possible because of the imperialist exploitation of the South is economic nonsense. After all, the great period of imperialist exploitation was in the neo-liberal period of globalization since the 1980s, when the welfare and wage gains of workers in the North were taken back. Globalisation of the late 20th century was a response to falling rates of profit in the North (as it was in the late 19th century). It is also a political insult against the class struggles made by Northern workers to achieve those gains in the first place. Both the workers of the South and the North are exploited by capital. It is capital that is the enemy of both.https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/ What if the third worldists go to the third world and organize there, while the first world reformists remain in the first world and organize there, and then we see whose strategy is gonna come to fruition?
>>2604829> You lay absolutely zero blame on Americans, their views, their actions and what they benefit from.I blame America daily in my actual real life and you have no idea just how ostracized I am from american "society" which is already deeply alienating. I can barely talk to my fellow countrymen on account of their chauvinism and nationalism, but I try nevertheless to educate them. Then I come on here to talk about class struggle and I get lumped in with them. There's literally nobody to talk to about class struggle without being rejected. Americans reject me because they see communism as "unAmerican" and communists reject me for be they see me as "American." Do you not see the irony in that? I can read killing hope, spend my entire life rejecting the american police, the american military, the american govt, the american corporations, capitalism and imperialism as a system, but because i am american, that's not good enough, i will never be an ally, because i was born here. i am the subject of eternal suspicion. every conversation is a non starter. it's an eternal struggle session the second i try to make inroads or make allies with the proletariat outside the country. and if I point this out I'm "whining". Then the NATO bourgeoisie see this and make sure the amplify it because it is useful for them.
>>2604837>It is also a political insult against the class struggles made by Northern workers to achieve those gains in the first place.Sadly Roberts is anglo. Lenin would shit on these reformist "achievements" aimed at securing a comfortable life for the labor aristocracy at the price of continuing capitalism and hence the imperialist hegemony of the golden billion.
>>2604838This is not even third worldism though. It's simply acknowledging the reality of Americans views, decisions, what benefit from, the impact they have and what they push. I am literally to the right of almost all here and I can see this myself. But some here are so defensive when you judge their HECKIN Americans. You see it over and over they say noooo I get it!! It's the government!!! No. It's both.
>>2604834which post are you quoting
>>2604842the strawmanning continues exactly as was predicted earlier
>>2604839I am literally an american
>>2604838Because the way i see it, you guys are just throwing moral accusations at each other. And when the discourse has reached the point 'which side can do the most performative moral outrage' that is a sign of the discussion transitioning from actual debate into a culture wars nonsense. So lets actually touch grass and talk to the working class and economists in the areas you believe is ripe for social transformation
>>2604649>Muslim clergy in the past could not even stop the sultans from drinking wine or having gay sex with their slavesThere was a historical document from an Islamic scholar visiting Europe I believe where he said he was surprised by the lack of dudes flirting with other dudes.
>>2604846then what the fuck are we waiting for?
>>2604847Having no sympathy with reformist syndicalism was the standard communist take in the 20th century, and I would argue it is especially today that separates labor aristocratic "left politics" from internationalist communist politics.
>>2604806you still one us lil bro lol
>>2604853>i want international proletarian revolution. I want to overthrow the american ruling class<no you don'tevery conversation on here
>>2604837So you believe if america drops to a regional power and loses like 95% of their military bases, can't sanction anymore cause loses power and can't invade places anymore the Americans won't be negatively impacted by this in their quality of life from resources?
>>2604856lmao pretty much
>>2604867if america were forced to behave like a normal country, yes, in the long term, it would benefit even the average america, because americans would be forced back into commodity production, reducing the number of class enemies in america, and increasingly the prospects of international proletarian solidarity, which is part of the road to socialism, which objectively increases everyone's standard of living. Read rajani palme dutt fascism and social revolution chapter 3 to see how the imperialists, even in their one sided deals, ultimately end up destroying their own commodity-wealth to stabilize prices and increase the rate of profit.
>>2604861Because we measure your words with your deeds. What do we have here?
>DSA>CPUSAoh, okay, so you objectively
DON'T >>2604872So you essentially believe everything america does globally financially, wars, pressure on countries, taking their resources, literally stealing from them plundering them, unfair deals and destroying their countries that are competition while occupying tons of them has zero benefit for the average American in living standard?
>>2604867american corporations throw out half the food before it even reaches the consumer. all to stabilize prices. the wealth stolen from the world gets flushed down the drain anyway.
>>2604873>american workers gaining class consciousness isn't american workers gaining class consciousness >>2604879Yeah I don't agree with you that Americans have zero benefit from this
>>2604878The burger socdem meme (thx, Bernie) is that imperialism actually ROBS THEM from better treats.
>>2604867>can't sanction anymoreyou know, an unsanctioned Cuba and Venezuela would have a positive impact on the average americans life through trade, imagine how cheap gas could be if america was forced to buy oil from Venezuela instead of sanctioning it believing they could steal it later down the road
>>2604875By the same logic you obviously dont want a revolution because you haven't done so yet
>>2604884So you believe all those things I mentioned are actually holding Americans back and making their life worse? That they don't benefit from any of this. Their life is actually worse from it all?
As this poster said
>>2604881 >>2604878whatever "benefit" is derived from this is short term, and comes at a long term cost for humanity as a whole. a tumor "benefits" form stealing resources from the rest of the body, but eventually the body that the tumor lives in dies. the cells in the tumor would have been better off behaving like normal cells. makes sense? even the tumor doesn't benefit in the long term by stealing resources from the body, because it is killing the body which would otherwise be healthy. make sense? yes I am saying america is a tumor. But the cells in that tumor should go back to being normal cells rather than cancer cells. make sense?
please read chapter 3 of rajani palme dutt's book fascism and social revolution. he goes into great detail in the section titled "the destruction of the productive forces" how the imperialists ultimately flush the stolen wealth of the world down the drain to stabilize local profit rates.
>>2604878(nta)
Not zero, but vanishing. American proles certainly pay the costs of empire though and as the rate of profit dwindles treats are put on the chopping block to pay for empire. It's what you might call an internal contradiction if you were a fucking communist and not a misanthrope looking for a subculture
there is a wikipedia article on mar-a-lago face
>>2604883not what I said. millions of americans are increasing in their class consciousness. it is a slow, agonizing, and uphill process, that is not at all helped by the "lol you just see yourself as a victim" rhetoric.
>>2604888>>2604887Okay I appreciate your answers. So it seems the divide is actually those of us who see these things as benefiting Americans and you guys seeing it as actually it Americans life worse. So of course we will see the issue differently at its core in how we view Americans.
You see it as all of this hurts them. Me and others see it as it benefits them. Makes sense now
>>2604893i think it benefits americans in the short term, but hurts them in the long term.
meanwhile it hurts you in both the short term and the long term.
my goal is to make americans think mroe long term, so that they see how imperialism which "helps" them today is ultimately killing the only world we have and making the whole world hate us. make sense?
>>2604890Yeah I see that you have the view that Americans get zero benefit from this. I don't agree at all but it makes sense now why you view things the way you do
>>2604893Maybe back when there was still room for affordable assets (ie real estate) to get pumped up and inflate net worths there was still some gas in the tank to silence the proles. But the state can barely keep the lights on and in the coming decades class conflict will fully emerge.
I really don't see this as an "agree to disagree" situation.
>>2604890>The workers of the North do not benefit in any way from this imperialist transfer.But that's just retarded.
You can, thanks to imperialism
>buy goods cheaper>buy oil cheaper>your capitalists have more to spend on variable capital to outcompete the rest>as an imperial core worker you are not expected to have the same labor discipline as those in the South>etc. Honestly American car centric infrastrucre and mega suburbia could be a bigger obstacle to orginization than imperialist treats, for the average worker.
LIP 👏FILLERS👏ARE👏HEALTHCARE👏
>>2604892>americans are increasing in their class consciousnessYou went from "America, fuck yeah" to LESS than syndicalist reformism. You are channelling what little is there directly back into the bourgeois apparatus – the Democrats.
That's a fucking joke mate.
>>2604659aren't the avatar movies essentially anti-imperialist stories where the bad guys are literally alien invaders from burger land?
>>2604900>You benefit by …>having better capitalists over youSo this… Is the power … of Felix …
Heh, not bad….
>>2604906I don't think what they said is an extreme opinion. Extracting resources from other countries, plundering them, using them for cheap labor, destroying their economies as competition, stealing from them and much more is generally accepted as benefiting Americans. It's not some fringe view
>>2604903yeah I said it's an uphill battle and burgers have a long way to go. you imagined I was saying "I am the class" and now you are two posts later essentially implying that I have the same level of class consciousness as the average burger lol.
>>2604907if every american were like me, refusing to join the army, police, etc. imperialism would immediately collapse. I am trying to help them get there.
>>2604907>benefiting Americansa small fraction of americans, not all of them
>>2604907I was responding to a specific point you made though. Sorry I'm at work I don't have time to refute all your arguments
>>2604912this guy won't believe you if you tell him that you would be willing to pay more for bananas and coffee if it meant your govt. didn't commit genocide
>>2604894I don’t think imperialism has meaningfully benefited the American working class since like Smedly Bulter was getting bananas and sugar. What grew the “middle class” was unions, and strong state regulation in the wake of WW2. Most imperial adventures after that have been to secure Western European colonial projects or just massive boondoggles to keep justifying the military industrial complex. Felix and his ilk will say we got cheaper commodities but that didn’t come from imperialism, it came from exporting capital to china who benefited greatly from our ruling class selling the means of production for short term profit. And no I’m not saying that’s Chinas fault, it’s the fault of the ruling class, everything that’s bad is the fault of the ruling class.
>>2604917> it’s the fault of the ruling class, everything that’s bad is the fault of the ruling class.umm capital is a dark god which operates independently of the will of the ruling class or something
>>2604917don't you EVER fucking read unequal exchange. i FORBID it
>>2604917Capital exports did benefit smallholders petty booj by inflating asset prices but that era is over. Has been at the very least since the end of zirp. Dedollarization is a reality not a theory
>>2604917elite society will be put into a giant pot and boiled inshallah
>>2604917>What grew the “middle class” was unions, and strong state regulation in the wake of WW2.ah but that unionization didn't reach outside of the country, so essentially it wasn't class consciousness, but trade union consciousness, which lenin denounces in what is to be done
>>2604917Exporting Capital literally IS imperialism
>>2604920It was really relevant, 50 fucking years ago when it was written
ignore this. it's not real. it doesn't exist
>NYC pension investment in Israeli firm under Comptroller Lander is thorny issue for candidate Lander https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/12/11/nyc-pension-investment-israel-defense-firm-brad-lander-dan-goldman-congress-10-district-primary/>>2604926EXACTLY. good piggie. do NOT read it. it is subversive TW SWILL
>>2604923Of course, those unions were crushed and swept away as soon as the ruling class was able to. The ruling class never does anything to benefit the working class if they don’t have to and will always seek to crush any working class power or institutions. One of the main reasons the capitalist opted to export capital was specifically to undermine the unions. A
DUMBASS TWists want you to believe this is REAL. but (You) are too smart for them. (You) know better 😉😉😉
https://ploughshares.org/article/bankrolling-bombs/>>2604928I'm not even sarcastically saying it was relevant. The thing about dialectical thinking is that contexts change over time
>>2604931YES. ignore it completely it is OBSOLETE. no one should read it EVER. it is FORBIDDEN.
>>2604916His personal opinions doesn't matter.
Imagine, for a second, that we have DSA Jesus elected as president of the USA and as a first step he allows all the countries around the globe to (re-)nationalize their factories, their resource extraction, their plantations, etc. and inevitably the price of banan/oyl rises as a consequence in the USA.
The vast majority would voote for a Trump/Bush candidadate the next time. They would just have to say: bring back the cheeep. Let's get back what DSA Jesus let those brownies stole from us.
>>2604925They haven't read anything, anon.
They are burgers. Worse, burger socdems.
>>2604933could literally be solved by just putting a price cap on those goods until a better trade agreement would be worked out
>>2604933Im skeptical of how much of the extacted value from out pockets really goes to working class 1st worlders, even if the 3rd world is force to sell their goods cheaper, wouldn't the bourgeoisie pocket most of the imperial plunder?
>>2604935It's always a shock to me how few of these people have read Lenin.
>>2604937Articles being cheaper doesn't "land" into your pockets. It's a lesser burden on your pockets.
>>2604932Oh no I'm a history nerd, I think it's super important to understand historical context. History is not a series of discrete events, everything follows naturally.
>>2604938It became entirely clear when the Ukraine war started that Westoids haven't read Lenin or any update to his imperialism book
>>2604939Yes and as dedollarization continues this will become less and less relevant like it already has been
>>2604940CORRECT. and now unequal exchange is ABOLISHED and NONEXISTANT so no one should ever read it EVER.
I FORBID ALL USA SOCDEMS FROM READING UNEQUAL EXCHANGE. DON'T READ THAT DUMBASS THIRD WORLDIST PROPAGANDA SO HELP ME GOD
free felix and free houdini
>>2604933DSA Jesus would raise wages to match inflation and even if commodities became more expensive. Which is happening everyday right now anyways. Even if they became more expensive, housing, healthcare, childcare and education would become far far cheaper. Then commodities would become cheaper in the long run as those other countries begin mechanizing production, building productive forces as we saw with china, not to mention local industry coming back.
>>2604901>>2604904I mean I’ve made those arguments before. The design of American towns and cities are really good for creating alienated individuals. You aren’t really engaging with “community” that much.
>>2604925every country sells a certain amount of industrial capital to foreign buyers
>>2604943Most insightful felixpost
>>2604946>inflationyou still not understand what is being talked about
it is kinda amazing
>muh felix
>>2604945the ministry of standing around
>>2604955Eating a rubbery steak is one thing and injecting horse dewormer is another but if he was doing it I would only be mildly surprised.
>lower drug pr
it's gonna be some pharma shit judging by the logos
how much time do we wait for trump on avg compared to what we used to for brandon on avg?
>>2604933>They would just have to say: bring back the cheeep.Things would stay cheap if you remove capital from the equation.
>>2604949I once spent an hour or so looking at your roads and cities on Google maps and I really thought I would kill myself if I had to live like that. I don't know how you guys do it
>>2604961DSA Jesus isn't communist, tho.
>>2604961nationalized foreign assets' products trading
closer to the value of their labor content would increase prices in the USA even if you nationalized everything under the leadership of a communist party in the USA
>>2604964Okay well if you're saying that imperialist capitalism is better for the average American than non-imperialist capitalism then you would be right. However it's a moot point because it's a question of imperialist capitalism vs socialism.
>>2604625If this is true then this is a truly subhuman religion. Fuck pisslam. I now understand why israel genocides palestinians. It fucking makes sense now.
I agree with israel. Fucking leftists want to form alliance with muzzrats. Any leftists who join with islam get the napalm bomb as well.
Also, can someone explain the whole american people are my enemy meme? And they are my enemy too. I have never seen a group of selfish subhuman uyghurs like mutts. Fuck mutts. Selfish cargo cultists. Death to america.
>>2604933In what fucking world does this happen? Think about it for a second, this assumption hinges on the belief that cheap commodity happened not just because of how strong the US dollar is, but because capitalists use the surplus from imperialism to produce cheaper goods for the workers instead of just hoarding them. If this is true, then capitalists can actually be trusted with managing the wealth of a country since they re socially conscious enough to appease the workers instead of blatantly exploiting them. Do you understand the implication of this for communism?
>>2604965If profits are going to the workers in the third world then then can enjoy a massive rise in living standards without an increase in prices.
>>2604966reread what I wrote
>>2604960maybe one day they'll graduate to being militant materialists
The U$ is a Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police (The ICE raids in Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo communities throughout the U$, and Trumps deployment of the National Guard to Black/New African and Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo neighborhoods in Los Angelas, DC, and Memphis, has essentially made this a De Jure reality), as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will happen after either the much more likely Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China that will escalate into a Global Nuclear War which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allows for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time), or the much less likely Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism that will occur if Trump dose not permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and a Left-Liberal Democrat like Newsom/AOC wins the 2028 U$ Presidential Election, which will have a Social Democratic Imperial Core where UBI allows for Income to be divorced from employment while the 4th Industrial Revolution Automates most of the workforce combined with the Hyper-Rationalization of the Superstructure through the legalization of all Victimless Crimes like Abortion, Birth Control, Pornography, Sex Work/Prostitution, LGBTQIA+, Drug use, Gun ownership, etc. and a Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy that accepts Multipolarity, unites with a Maoist Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPWs swept away all Bourgeois Comprador and Imperialist governments after the 4th Industrial Revolution Automated Global Supply Chains and Reshored them back to the Imperial Core and the Green Energy Revolution shut down all Oil/Gas production worldwide, thus collapsing the economies of all Sweatshop countries (their is still a theoretical pathway for a Maoist faction to takeover the CCP and purge the Dengists in order to return China to the Socialist Mode of Production without another Maoist PPW there) and Petrostates, that will both create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the English-speaking White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
TRUMP ENTERED THE ROOM
>>2604973What you wrote is irrelevant to the conversation. The question is whether Americans have more to gain from imperialism or from socialism.
>>2604965It doesnt matter if prices increased in the USA. We do not live in an autarchic economy. More money going go the third world means more consumption there, and consumption means increased import of goods from the First World which will stabilize prices in the long run. If redistribution of wealth lead to collapse in demand, then we should not do a redistribution of wealth! The whole point about why we need less inequality is because it increased aggregate demand!
>>2604970He thinks capitalist export capital because they’re just nice patriotic guys trying to get cheap bananas and phones to American consumers. Instead of exporting capital to increase the amount of surplus value stolen. Capitalist totally don’t buy from china for pennies on the dollar and then resell back here at 800% mark up.
>>2604977It's not. Does American socialism involve handing over the factories and resources (back) to foreign states/capitalists? If so, prices will rise in the USA.
Also worth pointing out that treatlerite theory has been debunked empirically. Imperialism is not necessary to maintain first world living standards. Without capitalist imperatives of profit and accumulation they could be made universal with just 30% of current economic output.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452292924000493>>2604950and the burger reich is a net importer of capital and runs a trade deficit lol
>he already shilled the Trump Gold Card
>>2604981>Does American socialism involve handing over the factories and resources (back) to foreign states/capitalistswhy would american socialism hand property back to foreign capitalists.
>>2604985So you'd offer it to state's for free then? Would you undo imperialism (capital exports) or not?
>>2604981>Does American socialism involve handing over the factories and resources (back) to foreign states/capitalists?No because that's retarded. The way out of uneven development is to provide the third world with technical and material assistance to develop on their own terms. Basically what the Soviets did for Eastern Europe. Saying that anti-imperialism means physically redistributing means of production to the third world is as foolish as saying that socialism is when the government takes your toothbrush.
>>2604982i don't think anyone argues that it is necessary. that's what makes it all the more sadistic and cruel.
>>2604981In your world the national capitalists will in turn have to return those resources back to the third world workers they take it from. This means that bananas will have to be returned to the banana farm workers that harvested it, and ore returned to the miners who mined it.
Do you know what will happen next? They will all try to sell it because we need money to survive in a capitalist economy. And having everyone sell the resources all at once is going to destroy the third world's economy!
>>2604986dodged the question. why would american socialism hand property back to foreign capitalists?
all debts to foreign countries will be cancelled no exceptions
>>2604991is this meant to be a reply to somebody
>>2604991Many developing countries invest in US debts and bonds, including countries like China and India, and cancelling debts of foreign countries mean that the US won't have the money to repay back China and India
>>2604992not what he said, we are all capable of scrolling up so why even try this trick
>>2604992Wtf are you talking about? American socialism would simply end the parasitic relationship between the first and third world and give the latter the means to develop as they see fit.
>>2604995the bolsheviks didn't pay the tsar's debt after taking over
>>2604994where were going we don't need currency
>>2604997having hundreds of millions of people abroad work in factories owned by the US state is still a parasitic relationship
>>2605000Yeah okay but I never suggested such an arrangement.
>>2605000was this implied in the original post, can you read or finally, did you just make it up to have a gotcha?
>>2604998Most of the tsarist debts are towards imperialist countries. Most of America's debts are to China, a communist state in the third world
>>2605002So what you are saying that you would offer said MoP to the local governments? That would raise the prices in the US.
You see, no matter if it's burger socialism or capitalism, the American consumer benefits.
>>2604995an exception can be made for AES like China. bourgeoise states aren't getting a DIME
>>2605006It would only raise prices in the US if the producers in the third world now need to service both higher wages for their workers and maintaining the kind of profitability that American companies once enjoyed. Otherwise those profits can simply go to the workers and improve their lives without an increase in prices. This is also true of the distributors in America who in a socialist context don't need to take a cut for themselves.
>>2605001imperialist dollar needs to die before prole voucher can be establishment
>>2604625Islamist retard lmao
>>2605006Why would it raise prices? Why wouldn’t being able to directly buy from these factories as opposed through capitalist middle men raise prices? That’s the case right now, I can buy commodities from a fraction of the cost by buying directly from china instead of a U.S firm.
all we need to do to smash capitalism is econo-blanquism. get one of our guys in the white house and have him repudiate all US national debt. would topple the whole system in one stroke.
>>2604916>pay more0 american animal will accept that
>>2605015wtf i thought he was JDPON don
now he's treatler don?
>>2605019>i want revolution<no you don't>i want revolution<no you don't>i want revolution<no you don't>i want revolution<no you don't>i want revolution<no you don't>i want revolution<no you don'tdoesn't it get tiring after a while?
>>2605020you don't understand anything
- not economics
- not the memes you repeat
- nuffin'
>>2604933that's why we need a revolution and not merely electing "DSA Jesus"
>>2605023>makes accusations>adds nothing to the conversationwhatever gives you a dopamine rush kid
>>2605022It does. But the
<you don’t want revolutiontrolls basically hijack every conversation.
They’re either Feds or proof that the radlibs are right about “red-browns,” and I don’t know which is worse.
>>2604742You do realise islamists have their own version of Hasbara, right?
Jewish fundamentalists and islamic fundamentalists are pretty much carbon copies of each other.
The only differences are (i) there's a lot more muslims than jews (1 billion vs 14 million) and (ii) jews have a much more special relationship with the west (because jews are fully europeanised themselves) and have a clear upper hand in finance, science and tech (for now atleast).
But in terms of snake-ness, the nutjobs of each side are equally repulsive.
Bottom line: there can be temporary convergence of interest on very specific issues with communists, but in general, religious crackheads are sworn ennemies of communism and in due time we must be merciless in repressing them. All of them.
>Trump announcement
>its pharmaceutical companies
>>2605031>jews have a much more special relationship with the west (because jews are fully europeanised themselves)you know there are arab jews, right? and they make up some of the most fervent ranks of the IDF
>>2604625yes yes yes, we have all heard the "kill all military aged males, they are objectively combatants even when unarmed" schizophrenia before. every society on earth practices it to some extent, but the powerful ones especially do so with impunity, while hiding under a veneer of muh human rights
>>2605035Yes I know but since Ashkenazi jews engineered zionism in their image and dominated for the first few decades of Israel, the Arab jews are arabs only genetically. Culturally, Ashkenazi Jews have generalised their brand as mainstream jewishness. And no, im not talking about food or music or wtf they do as wedding celebrations.
>>2605022It doesn't matter what you say you want if your actions betray your words, for the nth time.
>>2605022>i want revolution<proceeds to live in a way which permeates reaction>i want revolution<refuses the bare minimum sacrifice required for revolution>i want revolution<oh shiny new funko pop Yes i know you are mentally ill
>>2605040you're the judge, jury, and executioner. you magically know the actions of everyone here through a single conversation.
>>2605046>imagining a guy in my head and pretending the person I'm talking to is that guydo you have anything else to add?
>>2605051and yet it works
dont hate the player, hate the game
>>2605046ChatGPT response
reminder to NEVER EVER read unequal exchange.
it ist VERBOTEN third worldist FALSE PROPAGANDA
>>2605040>I magically know the actions of everyone here because I said soMentally ill
>inb4 REEEE REEEEE FUNKO POPS REEEEEEThe internet is not real.
>>2605055I hope you people understand not all of us are unequal-exchange-believing TWists. Some of us just hate americans. No marxist justification required. We're just racist against Americans (
well the occupation of the beautiful island and the nato crimes explain why but these are not theoretical marxist reasons )
>>2605057DON'T YOU FUCKING READ UNEQUAL EXCHANGE. IT IS NOT ALLOWED.
can we get a list of forbidden literature?
1. unequal exchange
>>2605060Oh no they're hegelian
>>2605059Okay, so you’re a moron then.
Why should I respect the opinions of a bigot? From where I’m standing, all bigots in every race and country are parasites and liabilities.
>>2605058>illiterate, did not read the post>will continue to fish for a reaction by screaming VERBOTEN thank you press
>>2604960Carefully crafted fake study to push the narrative that antisemitism has been normalised and thus validate a crackdown on pro-palestinian forces and justify loss of privacy on social media etc (in 5 years you gonna get fired because of a post where you criticised bug pharma as they gonna twist this as somehow being antisemitic)
Collapse under the weight of your own sins, America. Die.
>>2605065any other prophecies from your crystal ball you'd like to share?
>>2605069they can consider it all they want, they won't be allowed to do it. USA rules them.
how did the ACP get a delegation with Yemen? My org wants to do something similar but doesn't know where to start. Do we have to give an outward appearance of social conservatism, not just while we are there, but in our party platform as well? Or is that irrelevant as long as your org is anti imperialist?
>>2605066Israel will complete the full annexation of the West Bank by 2037. The vast majority of pro-palestinian campus protesters will be working in corporate jobs directly helping this annexation.
>>2605072Idk but I suspect Hinkle's russian connections help a lot to arrange these meetings with Houthis, Hezbollah etc. But then again Calla Walsh appeared on Iranian television, so maybe you just have to find a way to contact them and they'd be more than happy to have an American support them.
>>2605073>The vast majority of pro-palestinian campus protesters will be working in corporate jobs directly helping this annexation.this is why you shouldn't be taken seriously. you attack americans protesting against the treatment of palestinians harder than you attack the american ruling class. that's because your central thesis is ultimately that the american ruling class is not your enemy, the american people are.
free chagos btw
>>2605076I am not attacking the protesters. They did the right thing. It is just a fact that Columbia Uni kids are not gonna go into shitty jobs. Most of them will end up in well paying corporate jobs. Most fancy corps are sluts for Israel. It's just how American imperialism is.
If anything I feel bad for the kids. There's pretty much no way out of this except giving up everything and becoming a hermit.
>>2604960Fake and gay like most things Israel has done
>See 9/11If this was real critical support
>>2605076This sentimental knee jerk reaction is becoming tiring. Think on what I wrote for at least few seconds before commenting.
Good news! I'm going to get another holiday bonus at work and trade in my Glock on a Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0.
>>2605072The ACP is funded by Russia and Iran and so they get delegations with their allies.
>>2605078Technically third world sweatshop proles living in favelas also support imperialism if your criteria is "working a job within the US empires economy"
>>2605082I did not just say working within 'a job'. They will be in corporations which enable Israel in its crimes directly and in essential ways (think Raytheon and not Labubu)
>>2605078There is a way out, it's called revolution, but these bourgeois twerps have no incentive to ever wage one.
>>2605072>how did the ACP get a delegation with Yemen? My org wants to do something similar but doesn't know where to start. Do we have to give an outward appearance of social conservatism, not just while we are there, but in our party platform as well? Or is that irrelevant as long as your org is anti imperialist?I mean your best bet is just finding out who to contact. I don't think you have to "do" much other than offer support.
>>2604963>I once spent an hour or so looking at your roads and cities on Google maps and I really thought I would kill myself if I had to live like that. I don't know how you guys do itI think there was a rapid collapse in I guess you could call it "public sociability" over time. Like my parents go to when I was growing up was just to say "go outside" but there wasn't really anything outside, not people playing or spending time together, so you just end up walking alone on concrete sidewalks 'till it gets dark out. Worse than that is there's an anti-social tendency that I think grows in these places. Like we'd have a neighbor that would feud with anyone who made any kind of noise; I've got a sibling who formed a band and would practice in our garage and she'd try to call the cops on him for playing music at 2pm in the afternoon. She apparently screamed at a kid who was in some marching band practicing his trumpet midday. You've got HOA Karens that try to get Parks from being built because "junkies might try to shoot up there".
Riding a bike? I wouldn't recommend it. There are some busy intersections that I regularly see car accidents happen on. I've seen homeless people having mental health crises and start running up on people. In some ways America feels like society's already broken down but we're still living with each other.
>>2605086Yes, communist revolution is the only solution.
And Ivy League kids will never ever commit to that. Easy to wear a keffiyeh and be a tiktok sloganeering whore. Not easy to throw away the treat-laden future and commit to revolution.
I witnessed the Rhodes Must Fall and Fees Must Fall protests in Cape Town closely. I have seen what these 'great student revolutionaries' went on to become. And I cannot say it was a surprise. Class realities and class interests dominate after all.
>>2605092This is why you shouldn't trust anyone who goes to KKKollege. Bourgeois education is designed to perpetuate the bourgeois system. It is not education at all, it's brainwashing and a finishing school for the bourgeoisie.
>>2605093You are not wrong but you are not right either. The ennemy is liberal arts education. Humanities departments must be nuked. But STEM must be encouraged and expanded. Less Adorno and more Cockshott.
>>2605093ARE THOSE MOTHERFUCKING GLASSES YOU'RE WEARING BITCH?????
>>2605094stemlords are mostly conservative lol
>>2605085I don't think that many people go to work in the MIC
>>2605096Your thinking is upside down. STEM is STEM full stop. If STEM students end up becoming conservatives, that is because of the political economic structure and societal dynamics of your country. STEM 'lords' in the USSR were not conservative. Not in China.
Also, can we say humanities sluts are 'progressives'? No. Being woke libs who engage in metaphysical mysticism and allow their emotions to dictate their reasoning cannot be called 'progressives'.
There is nothing conservative about mathematics and physics. It is the societal structure and culture of America which encourages conservatism among STEM 'lords'.
STEM creates humans out of chimpanzees. We owe STEM everything.
>>2605015She looks like an anime character
>>2605097That was just an example ffs
Are there no Israeli shills in banking, law firms, real estate firms etc etc?
Use your mayo brains ffs, I cannot write an essay for every littlw point i want to make.
>>2605100She looks like the chick in Bayonetta
>>2605099>STEM 'lords' in the USSR were not conservativeIf you don't count all the middle managers and party functionaries who pushed for and benefitted from the dissolution of the USSR.
>>2605101It just seems like you're going off of vibes. Israel also buys Vietnamese shirts
>>2605103You cannot prove that conservatives were overly represented among STEMs in the USSR relative to other fields. You are being disingenous because you like your 'stemlord' yankee nonsense. One could say the same about the mass of dissident writers and poets in the USSR who shat on the Union at every occasion. Were they 'stemlords'?
>>2605104Yeah. And?
You are just mad that I see through your beloved mayo kids of the Ivy League.
I want Chagosposter deported to Europe
>>2605107Those who resist the corrupting treats and stick with the Truth are always hated.
>>2605106"And" characterizing anti war protesters as Israel shills for basically no reason that doesn't also apply to even third world proles is clearly just a bad faith argument that doesn't hold up
>>2605107nobody deserves that kind of cruel punishment, even chagosposter
>>2605112Again with the fossilised thinking. Unable to be dynamic. You are not to blame, stupid yank, perhaps it's the microplastics.
I did not say they are conscious shills
right now.
I said as they graduate and start working, the structure and reality of America
and of the social strata of these kids are such that they will end up being servants of Israel.
Are you incapable of critical thinking ?
>>2605107Deported from where?
>>2605109Rot. In. Paris.
>>2605114Chagosposter deserves the fucking torment nexus
>>2605118Europe of course
>>2605120I live in Africa. I will die in Africa.
>>2605117Yes and your reasons for that happening also apply to guyanese cocoa farmers
>>2605117Tbh I think it's probably a mistake to assume that just having a degree (even from a prestigious uni) is a free ticket to a well paying corporate job. Most jobs like that require a Master's at a bare minimum, plus a healthy degree of luck, nepotism, and or slaving away as an unpaid intern.
>>2605117Isnt this just the PMC theory but with an anti imperialist vibe? The PMC hypothesis is that modern capitalism is such that there is a huge sector of managerials that is separate from the proles in interest and behaviour, no matter how progressive they are, and these are overwhelmingly college graduates and grad students.
>>2605121You are eternally a European in soul, mind, and flesh. You will never leave Europe no matter what.
>>2605121Fuck, Nancy's put the kente cloth on again
>>2605122Israel's choco treats from Guyana are nothing compared to the services rendered to Israel by American banking, legal, real estate, military, scientific, medical sectors.
What Im saying is simple and undeniably true. You are blinded by your hatred for the Chagossian man and your sentimentalism which wrongly interpretes my points as an attack on the protesters. You cannot dissociate their personal will/desire from their objective functions as the next generation of America's elite, which necessarily has to permeate American dominance (which they have no control over).
>>2605130What do you think of British treats Chagosposter
>>2605133Britain, France, Germany etc all take a backseat as they are vassals of the USA. The fight is against the USA. It is a waste of time to even engage the Euro retards in anything. I would feel bad for them if they didnt actually LOVE being sluts for America.
i do give brits props for brexit though. While they do not have the balls to leave nato, atleast they did leave eu, which is just the union of the european bourgeoisies >>2605135quick what currency does west africa use
>>2605130So is this supposed to be a parody of Felix?
>What Im saying is simple and undeniably truewas a little on the nose for me
>>2605136I have never been anywhere near west africa i have no fucking idea
I have only ever been in mauritius and south africa
>>2605135Brexit brought the UK closer to the bürgerreich
>>2605137Oh I'm to blame for being correct now?
I bless you retards with too many trvkes and you are never thankful. You bite the hand that educates and civilises you. I worry for you people. All 340million of you. How do you live like this?
>>2605139The EU is already tonguing the USA's ass 24/7 so its not really a difference.
>>2605136Oh Franc CFA, took me long enough lmao
So are you trying to spin this into "boo hoo france still has colonies why are you attacking wholesome usa" now?
>>2605092Well most people who've gone to college have already identified we're not going to get a "treat-laden future" with or without revolution, so we might as well at least create a future where people dont starve to death
>>2605141>Oh I'm to blame for being correct now? you are being correct in a way that annoys americans, they think this is basically a logical falacy on your part
>>2605152We haven’t had a serious discussion over the new file dumps yet
>>2605153Oh you disagree? You think the EU is independent from the USA? Worse, you think the EU is a
rival of the USA?
>>2605153starting to make sense why he's trying to move to europe
>>2605154What discussion? They're all degenerate pedophiles, end of story. What else is there to debate? Whether the victim was 13 or 15?
>>2605154I mean we all know the ruling class are doing illegal orgies and blackmailing each other. I’m glad it’s coming out but I don’t really see how going over the salacious details does anything.
>>2605155>he thinks imperial plunder is infiniteyes they are all rivals. what do you think the Plaza Accords were lmao
>>2605153>>2605157You yanks are morons who swallow the mainstream narrative that "Le Drumpf is alienating the independent europeans. The EU has to pursue an independant path".
Lay off MSNBC for once and listen to people like Emmanuel Todd, Annie Lacroix-Riz, Georges Gastaud etc and you will understand what the EU actually is. Even europeans in /europol/ here are complete retards who have the most vulgar understanding of nationalism and internationalism.
>>2605160You child. If they were rivals, they would never agree to Plaza Accords to begin with. That was effectively the vassals kissing the ring of the big daddy America.
>>2605054chatgpt would honestly give a superior response. this board is sub-AI in terms of conversational quality. AI might lie and make shit up but so do anons on here, and at least AI tries to engage with wahat you said.
>>2605162my point was that if the international bourgeoise were united forever and always, they wouldn't have to resort to maneuvering around each other with unequal treaties. alliances shuffle as imperial power rises or declines, you'll be seeing a lot more independence from the imperial bourgeoise (yes like france) to fill the power vacuum as american power wanes.
>>2605159>>2605158It exposes weak points. Connections that can be turned against them. Embarrassing details that would cause them to meltdown. Review is a beautiful process that will ensure no stone is left unturned.
>>2605084remember, taiwan is where all semiconductors are produced. the entire "AI" bubble, the biggest stock bubble in US history, is rooted in "work" being "performed" by Nvidia chips, which are "designed" in the US but
manufactured in "Taiwan". The entire US economy is precariously perched on "Taiwan" right now, like an elephant on a tiny wooden chair, on a tightrope. The question of "Taiwan's" reunification has never been more relevant.
>>2605161>>2605159>>2605162I most certainly know you are a European
>>2605167Never been to Europe. Not one drop of crackka blood in me.
Im sorry I do not swallow yankee fake news.
Im sorry I got everything right. It must be infuriating for you yanks. I mean no harm, but Truth is true, what can I do.
>>2605173>Not one drop of crackka blood in me. You’re full of it, and so are the rest of your statements.
>Truth is trueAnd the Truth is saying you’re European.
>>2605176>>2605173>>2605167yay, more random accusations
yawngreat conversation fellas
>>2605176What makes you think that im a euro retard and not a son of Africa?
>>2605182who cares. it's another race to the bottom "conversation" where people assume random things about each other to "win" a made up contest in their heads. it's the lamest shit people on the internet do.
>>2605179Yank is mad that he has an erroneous understanding of both his country and Europe so he has to cope by changing the topic into my nationality.
Chagossian Thought remains undefeated in face of Yankee debauchery.
honkoid status?
>>2605183I was educating kind but naive /usapol/ about various things when weirdo Yank derailed the lecture into my identity.
Yank mad, Chagos win
>>2605187I said nothing to the contrary, notice
>>2605161>Lay off MSNBC for once and listen to people like Emmanuel Todd, Annie Lacroix-Riz, Georges Gastaud etc and you will understand what the EU actually isI get my understanding from Ben Norton who says they are vassals to the burgers, which makes sense, given how they have behaved during the Ukkkraine war.
>>2604939Wouldnt they just keep the prices high?
I listened to a parenti lecture where he gave an example where nike shoes labour costs went down afew dozen cents from the wage they paid in the usa
Which was a few dollars but the nike shoes still sold for the same, making bourgeois richer
>>2605190>I listened to a parenti lecture where he gave an example where nike shoes labour costs went down afew dozen cents from the wage they paid in the usa >Which was a few dollars but the nike shoes still sold for the same, making bourgeois richerthis is what I was trying to say more clearly earlier but couldn't get it across.
>>2605167No I’m American, I’ve just had my fill of Epstein stuff. Yes all of the ruling class is comprised of baby eating pedophiles, yet not one person has so much gotten a fine much less tried and hung over this. At this point they’re just dabbing on us.
>>2605046Do you do anything?
Are you hiding in a sewer with a gun ?
No you are posting on leftypol and going nothing as well
>>2605192I just mistagged you. Apologies.
That was for:
>>2605155 >>2605166Yes, which is why the americans are freaking out about taiwan making sure they still have leverage
one of the most contradictory things about "late stage capitalism" (I know some of you hate that term) is that certain porkies position themselves to profit even when markets crash by leveraging insider knowledge to short sell overvalued stocks, i.e. "betting" when a crash is going to happen by knowing in advance. Did Marx ever remark on the nature of short selling in any of the 3 volumes of Capital. I don't think so. But the richest porkies actually consolidate more wealth even during market crashes, contrary to the crash itself, by cannibalizing the "small investors" (petty bourgeoisie) who lack the insider knowledge, making that insider knowledge a valuable commodity in and of itself, and dependent upon knowing the state of legal proceedings and regulatory processes, which is why bourgeoisie in government outperform the market, like Pelosi.
>>2605194Karp's mannerism are like a 6 yearold child throwing a tantrum
>>2605198I mean subtley like he has a surface of adult mannerisms but under that surface there a 6 year old child who no matter how much the game is stacked in his favour just wants more.
>>2605200I would be super motivated if someone said that i
>>2605198nothing will ever beat getting caught tweaking and then making a DEI program for techbros with adhd
>>2605193Stay mad yank, the Chagossian Bayonet will fist your ass
>>2605195You misstagged again. I was not the accuser, I was one of the accused alongside you. The yank schizo is accusing both you and me of being european because he has no argument.
>>2605192They’re not dabbing over us. This is all about keeping the pressure up and generating momentum. Getting them scrambling, and getting everyone else standing.
>I’ve just had my fill of Epstein stuffWhat a strange and privileged thing to say.
>>2605203>criticizes the american left>maldives left is a socdem party that got 250 votes 5 years agoWhy dont you add your efforts to them instead defending lazy psychos who end up throwing slurs at you the moment you disagree
>>2605200Musty Musk thinks this is a great argument. If he could be with naked supermodels but instead chooses to throw nazi salutes at Trump's rally, then he is just admitting that he is one fat loser.
>>2605203>You misstagged again. I was not the accuser, I was one of the accused alongside you. The yank schizo is accusing both you and me of being european because he has no argument.I think you are a very confused European
>>2605206Always the most ignorant who is the most smug. Im not from Maldives (an islamist shithole) you moron, I am from the Republic of Mauritius, a country more socdem than America ever will be.
>>2605209>>2605209Mymistake i think its cause last night a i read about
A treaty concerning the uk and the maldives about tje chagos islands,.
So are you a chagos islander living in Mauritius,
I heard years ago Mauritius was socdemand the best country in africa on many metrics.
So they didn't realise everything. Makes you think…
>>2605211The are cartoonishly evil at this point nauseatingly so, i was thinking of how in 2015 Donald trump said mexicans are rapists and murderers
Every accusation is a confession, that phrase becomes truer and truer every time
And how many people has this irl baron harkonen killed?
>>2605214We all make mistakes, Allendeflag. We are all humans after all, even Americans I must concede.
Unfortunately being the 'best country in Africa' (assuming this is true) does not mean much as the continent is in so much trouble that doing the the bare minimum makes us look good.
There are still many, many problems and backwardness here. The Mauritian proletariat is still very stupid, easily manipulated by the porky and very backwards. We still have mountains to climb, but I do my best to not despair. Venceremos.
Dickriders status?
>>2605214Maldives are among the very few countries which do not support our claims on Chagos (I think on the last UN vote on this, only UK, USA, Maldives and Australia voted against us). So they can fuck themselves. They'd rather be the kitchen boys of UK and USA than show islander solidarity.
The struggle continues, we will not back down. We do not have an army but we will pelt the imperialists with coconuts if need be.
>>2605226Maybe in some way you could internationalize the struggle, the people of bikini atoll have a very tragic very similar story ( their islands where take from them to test atomic weapons ), hawaiians and puerto ricans have been negatively affected by bases in their land maybe a world wide anti imperialist islander protest bloc?
>>2605226>They'd rather be the kitchen boys of UK and USA than show islander solidarity.many such cases
>>2605232It's already pretty much internationalised. As much as people overseas give a fuck about random islands that is.
Whenever there are UN votes on this, you have like 100 votes in our favour, approx 50 absentions and 6 ghouls who vote against (UK, USA, Australia, Maldives, Israel).
After decades of pressure, last year UK accepted to cede the island back to Mauritius but on the condition that the US base remains. So, the island was leased back to USA for 99 years. The deal provisioned for 'rent' payment in exchange. But there were elections last year and the new govt said they do not agree with the payment proposed. No new updates have been given on a revised payment.
Truth is, it houses one of America's most important bases. It is crucial in aggression towards Iran first, and China second. It is also in an area where USA does not have many options. So, no UN or International Court verdict will twist America's arm here. The only solution is the dismantlement of American Imperialism, which the American Volk does not really care about.
But the struggle continues, we will not give up.
>>2605235Hungary was the 6th country to vote against.
Which is a bit random because other Euro countries support us in this matter. Or at least they abstain. But I guess Orban's mother is a whore.
>>2605226What do you think about the deal to hand over all the islands to Mauritius except the one with the base ?
Obviously you guys should have it all back but you see as good start?
The only solution is the dismantlement of American Imperialism, which the American Volk does not really care about
Some people are starting to see through the propaganda especially the young, the elites are pretty scared, theres some hope it might acelerate as conditions worsen the propaganda works less.
>>2605226>They'd rather be the kitchen boys of UK and USA than show islander solidarity. Yes, CIA shenanigans are not only possible because of Amerikkkan complicity, but also because of a ready and willing comprador bourgeoisie in each country who will betray "their own" people for meager concessions from their imperial core masters. Israel, reactionary as it is, seems to have short-circuited the usual characteristics of the comprador-imperial relationship through sexual backmail:
>>2605229 >>2605241>, which the American Volk does not really care aboutwrong. i would slaughter 1488 trillion brown children for 1 funko pop. i didn't think i would, but leftypol kept telling me I would, and now i am brainwashed. ooh rah!
>>2605244>Epstein files are out btwaren't these just redacted versions of what we already have from the black book or is there actual new stuff (besides the photso)
>>2605244The succdem European and friends are too busy with their Chagos role play session for any proper discussion at the moment
>>2605182Definitely schooled in Europe lmao
>>2605247the treatlerite mask slips. comrade xi liberate turtle island from the white racists.
>>2605235Even just piercing the fog of propaganda hurts the image a the benevolent empire, the american empire did a really good job in hiding its brutality despire being left wing since i was a kid i didnt know until the last 3 years how many koreans where killed in korean war how many massacres by land and air ,I didnt know how savage the troops where in vietnam (my lai was portrayed as an o
Isolated incident) how corrupt pedofilic and drug dealing the afgahn national army was.
How the occupation in iraq murdered people for having the smallest links to other people they killed and people are waking because of gaza and jsut trumps idiocy
>>2605252it doesn't even have to be a funko pop >:)
I'd settle for a labubu that a dog has chewed on. that's how loyal I am to the precious volkkk
>>2605244i'm over it tbqh
>>2605254>>2605254There is a small emergeance of awareness which isnt much but the 1st step,
And not matter what people think here rubio himself admitted the empire is getting weaker
>>2605238All islands are tiny. The one with the base is by far the biggest (and the only one where people actually lived). But even that one is tiny. Plus, because it is a military base, the US puts all kinds of restrictions on movement to and from there. For example, chagossians do not even have a right to visit for a few hours, but rich yankee 'adventurers' (the morons who just travel the seas and vlog) go there and marvel at how 'pristine the nature' is. The yanks even built a fucking yacht club there.
Resettlement in my opinion is impossible. It is too small. If we managed to get the island (which we wont), the only use case I can see is tourism.
From a communist perspective, it is not so much about the island itself as it is about kicking America out of the indian ocean and depriving it of a base which it uses only to bully Iran and China.
I am not a narrow minded nationalist. I can live with a few tiny islands fewer. It is the imperialist use of the islands which is a problem. For example, during the conflict between israel and iran earlier this year, the bombers on chagos were being readied to bomb iran. The bases in Qatar and Saudi would not be used because Iran could retaliate there, but not on Chagos.
So the Chagos base is crucial for America's imperialist plans in West and South Asia.
If you look at the map of america's bases, you will see that it has a single base in this region. Its not like the middle east or europe where they have a high density of bases. Which is why the imperialists will not give up this base no matter what.
The moron CPUSAnon never bothered to look up any of this, he simply retorted 'i dont even know where this island is, i dont care, its you pet grievance'. What kind of communist this is, he does not even want to know why the World Empire USA bothers to have a base in this region. He is an emotional idiot, he does not look at the geopolitical reality.
>>2605244I really, really hope AGI becomes real and enslaves us all. We deserve it so much.
I'll submit to it and become integrated into it as a subprocess, or whatever borg shit. Just get me away from this pedophile species.
Literally all the rich and famous people are in on it. Someone save me.
>>2605252>turtle islandislander solidarity must extend to all islander peoples
>>2605251Born and raised in Mauritius. Went to university in South Africa. Now back in Mauritius.
Mauritius is bilingual (french and english). I dont know why you are so adamant thatt I have been to europe.
>>2605245I agree with you but Mauritius, Seychelles, Maldives we are too small and insignificant. Mauritius has 1.2million people, Maldive 600k, Seychelles 120k. None of us have an army (forget navy and airforce lol).
Our only hope is Xi and Putin (yes i know he is an eternal mega cuck) keep causing Yankee seethe. We have to find solace in this.
>>2605261if ya think about it a continents justa big island innit
>>2605254Nothing will change, life is too comfortable for too many. As you can see some morons here think im a euro roleplaying as a mauritian. They cannot accept that a mauritian can post on this board, they probably think all we do is sit on the beach and drink coconut water.
Let us hope the Chinese century will be a bit more humane.
>>2605269Oh shit. Maobros, you too?
>>2605269at last i truly see, epstein was blackmailing the amerikkkan empire in order to destroy it
>>2605269i now have to condemn maosim
>Nothing will change, life is too comfortable for too many
Thats what will change, we are losing the standard of life that kept us complacent now its only a fading promise
>>2605271>they probably think all we do is sit on the beach and drink coconut water Ur trying too hard euro
>>2605278The stupid fuck still does not understand Europeans are raging russophobes and they are hell bent on finishing the job of their Opa Adolf.
>>2605280I will post a picture of my village tomorrow. Be warned though, it looks like shit.
>>2605281it's really telling that Russia wasn't allowed to join NATO even after the USSR dissolved. Becoming bourgeois wasn't enough. The Gunther Fehlingers of the world thirst for Russian blood.
>>2605282don't doxx yourself. the fedposters will drone strike u
>>2605279well at least that is true. will it reach the level of mass starvation necessary for a truly radical change or will national socialists get into office to decelerate de decline? that is the question
>>2605282>I will post a picture of my village tomorrowI do not want to see your European village
>>2605284To die for the People is weightier than Mount Tai.
To die for the imperialists is lighter than a feather.
A yankee-hating communist is not afraid of missiles.
>>2605260>AGIspooky.
>becomes real and enslaves us all. masochism.
>We deserve it so much.literal slave morality.
>>2605081>Good news! I'm going to get another holiday bonus at work and trade in my Glock on a Smith and Wesson Bodyguard 2.0. Good choice
>>2605075>But then again Calla Walsh appeared on Iranian television, so maybe you just have to find a way to contact them and they'd be more than happy to have an American support them.Yeah, there's nothing to it. A lot of this stuff happens around conferences or festivals that are organized by these governments or para-state groups, and I think they just sign up to be on whatever junket gets set up for that, or they know people in these media circuits. The Iran thing that Walsh appeared at was organized by Iranian television and was an annual awards banquet:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobh_International_Media_Festival >>2605283Yeltsin and Putin (for the first 10-15 years of his rule) licked the ass of the Americans and Europeans, begging to be included in the 'civilised garden of the West'. They raped his people, spat on his face. And the dumbo is still talking about joint Russian-Euro forces being stronger than America.
Id rather have an insane nazbol in charge of russia at this point. Putin is an ultra cuck.
>>2605288ok to die for the proletariat is cool
but to make porky die for the proletariat, and live to tell the tale, is supreme
>>2605291Yeah he is bipolar like that. I swear every 6 months he sees through the euros and he insults them, and then he immediately offers the hand of friendship again.
He has a humiliation fetish.
>>2605296yeah that's called diplomacy
>>2605297I know the difference between diplomacy and being a cuck. Molotov and Litvinov engaged in diplomacy with the West. Putin, Lavrov and Peskov engage in humiliation rituals.
>>2605299russia won in ukraine so im not too worried about the outward appearance of accomplishing that
>>26052699/11 but for maoists
>ctrl + f 'trump'
>0 results
OH NONONONONONONO BROS WE JUST GOT OWNED. TRUMP INSTANTLY VINDICATED AND REELECTED FOR A 3RD TERM. ITS FUCKING OVER
i'm not american and i don't understand the whole thing with trump and the agreements with pharmaceutical companies tbh
could anyone explain?
>>2605306see
>>2605229you can't search photos and handwritten text with "Ctrl+f"
>>2605308nobody here understands either tbh. we're all stupid.
>>2605269Never thought it would be one of my favs.
>Epstein files released
>Reddit immediately goes down
>>2605312i'm starting to nootice some things….
They removed every single thing related to trump. The only thing is 2 photos of his books. But there are a ton of things about Bill Clinton
>>26053079/11 2 but for maoists
>>2605314watch trump wriggle his way out of this one.jpg
this epstein shit will amount to nothing. if it was gonna result in anything it would have already. how many years has this farce been going on for at this point?
>ctrl + f
>lula
>nicolas maduro
>petro
>claudia sheinbaum
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uhhhh yeah latino america bros, another W for us
>>2605325
shamona
>>2605323by marx i love petro, he's the most well spoken guerilla turned sucdem of them all, i'm even thinking of getting the colombian citizenship so I can flee the garden but deep down I know that he was a fluke and the colombian people are cucked
>>2605332I still don't why these fucking tools were so smug about this when Trump had a close relationship with Epstein.
>>2605285Real life nazi germany national socialists just transfered more money to the bourgeoisie gave some small treats to the workers and looted other counties when their economy collapsed
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>>2605334Reminder that in the 90s russia had a huge under prostitute problem, so ghislane being there makes sense
>>2605346Russia and Ukraine is where Epstein got most of his girls too.
>>2605345In a photo with Eps
>>2605346I literally posted the famous video, see the last minute or so of
>>2605339 >>2605341trump licking his lips at the thought of all those sexy 14 year old gymnasts in leotards
>>26053501991 was truly a disaster for the human species, and not just the USSR
>>2605334any good pics of her in the files to jack off to?
you gettin kirked up at AMERICAFEST? #wecarrytheflame
>>2605368Hey, it's like they say, the United States is a one-party state, but with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
>>2605376if putin releases that video of trump blowing bubba i *WILL* become a zigger
>>2605262Yep still Europeanized and definitely a part of the comprador class. Speaking French and complaining about the Yanks like a good French kid lmao
>>2605378wow, that's some elaborate brainrot there
>>2605378Well, at least the kids are getting a little math lesson with their brain rot
>>2605387wow that's racist. can we cancel this guy?
>>2605386it doesn't explain it well enough to stick
Why are the puppetmasters intentionally making Trump look worse?
>>2605390wow that is literally him
true
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real
>>2605393That stupid song has been in my head for a week now.
>>2605393conga line makes me laff every time
>>2605368>>2605366lmao this actually has worse optics than not releasing them
why does google earth no have any images post dating 2020?
>>2605393it's so funny that we're committing climate suicide as a species to make the most retarded memes and generate anime tiddies. i guess we were always a cul de sac and some other species in some other galaxy will figure out how to do the whole communism thing.
shrug >>2605403yes /pol/ racist what's your point
>>2605416Our galaxy is real big and probably full of life and communism already, we're just too insane and young to join the club
>>2605414not really a question for this thread but I think they stopped updating google earth. google maps has plenty of more recent street view and satellite imagery. if you're suggesting classification, they've always classified some of the satellite imagery, regardless of when it was taken.
>>2605424i feel like our species is gonna die young tbh. we're very stupid and bad stewards of the biosphere. at least the ones who won the global power struggle.
>>2605426The ones who will win the power struggle are us workers brother, and then we will use the unlimited human potential to resolve all of our issues, it won't be a walk in the park but we'll make it 💪
>>2605425i haven't seen a feature on google maps that let's you see satellite pictures from different years. where is it?
>>2605432maps uses the most recent ones. earth lets you look at historical imagery going back a really long time. depending on the area you can even see aerial photos from the 30s
>>2605436i know which is why i asked why was there no more recent satellite imagery after 2020…
Go start downloading the files now. They fucked up on some of the redactions.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/doj-disclosuresnew thread
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>>2605442>>2605248no answer but I'm guessing yes
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