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>>2602078Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchetfLoOd DeTeCtEd PoSt DiScArDeD being effective is opportunism
being principled is moralist
nobody is actually communist
welcome to leftypol, we got fun and games
Reminder that reading to your kids gives them an unfair advantage against other kids
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>>2603308>but who remains proletarian (in the sense of commodity production) is still highly exploited.So what % of American society is a value producing proletarian, in your opinion? Because in terms of absolute mass of value and therefore surplus value production the US is dwarfed by Latam, Asia, Africa.
Plus, whatever that % is according to you, think about how much surplus value needs to be captured from the rest of the world to sustain the rest in the USA.
So no, my friend, boo hoo, you are not the most exploited in a global context.
I will do nothing und be happy
>>2603330Nato is progressive. Military education IS important. NATO facilitates to a highest degree
Okay the 3rd world has it worse than the 1st world now how do we use class struggle in context of of political situtation in the USA ( this is /USAPOL/)
to fix this and many other problems in the 1st world and the 3rd world
Reminder that if the revolutionary left doesn't band together we're all going to die. Yes this includes leftists of tendencies you dont like. Believe it or not you all want to see the end of American imperialism
>>2603336I am ready to work with anybody and everybody
except Moffin'. We all have our red lines, I'm afraid.
>>2603330Wouldnt it be better to use NATO to enforce world communism?
>>2603336First, the programme. Everyone must accept and submit to the programme. Second, organizational deliniation and demarcation. It must be clear who is a party member and who is not.
>>2603342Wicca shit isn't going to end repression.
>>2603326see
>>2603308i wasn't making a "boohoo i'm so exploited" point, I was actually making the point that surplus value exploitation, the marxist sense of the word, is bad, but preferable to getting bombed and genocided. You possibly mistook me for the other poster.
>>2603324>everyone is a liberal except for MEEEEworst kind of poster tbh
>>2603332they're like uum ah building the productive forces guys mmmkay
>>2603325work in childcare and p much the only thing the kids with best literacy and best manners have in common with eachother is parents that actually talk and read to/with them.
>>2603333just spitballin here but cross border strikes within a single supply chain might have potential. For example if congolese miners go on strike than dockworkers where the rare earth minerals are getting imported to also go on strike. tmk Italy has had a general strike over Palestine so I don't think solidarity strikes with explicitly political aims are entirely off the table within the NATO bloc.
>>2603344So? What is your argument? This is just moralism
>>2603339Well good news is that Mr Moffin is Italian so he's not going to be a factor
>>2603345Program: destroy the American state, advance communism, spread the revolution. We can split hairs on the finer points when we're not at risk of being wiped out existentially. For now however are numbers are too thin as they are for us to afford petty sectarian infighting
>but so-and-so tendency is far right because [insert strawman]Dont care, didn't ask, plus you're a dogmatist. You can either die with doctrinal purity, or you can live fighting alongside those who may have a different idea of what "the state" means as long as we all agree that an end to capitalism and imperialism are our ultimate goals. Which we do.
>>2603340>>2603349>kys>uhhNo argument
>>2603349Part of the issue with that though is the structure of labour relations in many Western countries. I can't speak to Europe but in the US and Canada it would be illegal for any union to launch a strike like that. They can only strike under very specific conditions, and never when they have a collective agreement in place. They should still do it anyway of course, but that's obviously going to be a huge disincentive for a movement which is a shadow of its former self.
>>2603355Please time travel to 90s in Yugoslavia and stand next to a tv tower
>>2603358Same used to feel it as a kid now, its just a day.
my dad died a few a years ago that was part of it >>2603349I don't know what the case is for other NATO countries, but I've read that Italian dockworkers have absolutely terrible conditions, meanwhile American ones represented by the ILWU are like the ur example of a labor aristocracy, even going as far as specifically transporting military equipment during their strikes.
Of course the Italians had to make the jump the jump from economic to political demands, but I don't necessarily see the same happening in the US unless the reddit reich decides to forcefully dismantle them.
NATO is a nothingburger. Continued reductions in western military expenditure and industrial capacity will mean less resource wars and less western allies participating in resource wars.
>>2603366you are wrong. hang your head in shame
>>2603358On my 13th birthday I noticed that it didn't feel special and no holiday has felt special to me ever since. I still love Christmas though because family and big dinner, but tbh Thanksgiving is the superior holiday since presents are a hassle.
What is NATO to you? Is it the soldiers and equipment?
>>2603377Ban him for idpol
>>2603383We have the technology.
We have the capability to make the worlds first artificial dick n bawls
>>2603383Make this one a mod for contributing in an important treatler discourse. This new contribution shows that some people's very existence regardless of consumption is treatlerism
2050: After the collapse of the AI and semiconductor industries, America is kept alive by the testicle market.
>>2603389Explain in details.
/usapol/ is boring af when felix and cpusanon are not engaging in steamy passionate sex
>>2603383consider the following:
>mother nature does it for free >>2603167>Try mixing ketchup and mayo for chips. Nice treat.>>2603182>there should be a /treat/ general where all burgers and euroids from leftypol share their wisdom so the rest of the userbase can know what they should be demanding from their local social democratsWhat do you thonk Thousand Island aka "secret sauce" is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Island_dressingOne of the most common dressings, at least in treatland.
>>2603362this is bait, right? you're not actually saying NATO is based, right?
>>2603391imagine a bank calling you:
sir, the credit for the testicles you have has two months overdue. we are going to embargo your balls. now multiply that by some tens of millions.
balls bust. the congress introduces the The Trans & Economic System Transition Intervention, Capital, & Liquidity Emergency Stabilization Act or TESTICLES Act, to save the economy.
>>2603383I can only conclude that you are Aaron Rupar by the way you screenshot every single thing he tweets here.
>>2603422what makes you think the tweet posts are all from one anon?
>>2603418NATO is based.
(Rule 11 - low-quality bait) >>2603352if the EU were cucked by China instead of by the US, that would honestly be an improvement
>>2603422Rupar actually monitors closely the government officials, no filter, pure commentary, with audio or video. no other X account does that. nta, but I'd be posting Rupar continuously if there wasn't any other anon doing it.
ismail reveal yourself
>>2603436It would be. It would be if then their economies integrated.
we need JOE
we need 100 year old JOE back in the white house NOW
>>2603434I doubt he even knows what leftypol is, much less would be inclined to visit it considering the man's a total lib. But he is a convenient source of direct quotes from both the news and government officials and the wild shit they say on a regular basis so he's useful in that regard.
>>2603444all tweet screenshots should be accompanied by at least one comment or some analysis from the anon posting it, or be interpreted as uncritical shilling of the account, change my mind.
>>2603439based on anticommunism
>>2603396which one would get pregnant i wonder
>>2603447All bourgeois states (which is all of them) are anti communist.
bag status?
>>260344130 is the new 18
>>2603445They better ban (you).
>>2603452I broke no rules and yes, praising NATO unironically, and doubling down when asked if it's a joke, should be banworthy. It's just straight up reactionary bait to praise NATO. That or false flagging.
>>2603455>waaah i am scared of confronting reactionary dummies on leftypol waaahExplain how nato is reactionary. NOW! You are leftist. You should be able to do that.
>>2603465this is just that scene in A Very British Coup
>>2603464NATO was sovietophobic. NATO is now russosinophobic. Worse of all, NATO protects and expand the treat-supply. If you cannot understand such basic theory, hang your head in shame.
>>2603474Opportunism is worse than anti communism. It is insidious.
>>2603460>>2603464NATO was
ostensibly created for "collective security" after WW2, but in reality was an anti-communist bulwark. Here was some key early NATO leadership:
<Adolf Heusinger, chief of the Operationsabteilung (third-in-command of the Wehrmacht) from 1940-1944 and Hitler’s acting Chief of Staff 1944, Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1961-1964
<Hans Speidel, chief of staff to Erwin Rommel, Supreme Commander of NATO’s ground forces in Central Europe 1957-1963
<Johannes Steinhoff, Luftwaffe fighter pilot during WWII and recipient of the Knights Cross of the Iron Cross (the Nazi military’s highest award), Chairman of the NATO Military Committee 1971–1974
<Johann von Kielmansegg, General Staff officer to the High Command of the Wehrmacht 1942-1944, NATO Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe 1967-1968
<Ernst Ferber, Major in the Wehrmacht and group leader of the organizational department of the Supreme Command of the Army (Wehrmacht) 1943-1945 and recipient of the Iron Cross 1st Class, NATO Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe 1973-1975
<Karl Schnell, battery chief in the Western campaign in 1940/later First General Staff Officer of the LXXVI Panzer Corps in 1944 and recipient of the Iron Cross 2nd Class, NATO Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe 1975-1977
<Franz Joseph Schulze, Lieutenant in the reserve and Chief of the 3rd Battery of the Flak Storm Regiment 241 and recipient of the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross in 1944, NATO Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe 1977-1979
<Ferdinand von Senger und Etterlin, Lieutenant of 24th Panzer Division in the German 6th Army, participant in the Battle of Stalingrad, adjutant to Army High Command, and recipient of the German Cross in gold, NATO Commander in Chief of Allied Forces Central Europe 1979-1983NATO was created in 1949, but the Warsaw Pact wasn't created until 1955. To call the bluff of "collective security," The USSR tried joining NATO in 1954, before the Warsaw Pact even existed, but were not allowed in, proving that it was never about "collective security" but about being a forward operating base for anticommunism. NATO is the actual "iron curtain" that Churchill accused the soviets of erecting. NATO initiated the arms race and all the zero sum logic of the cold war, necessitating that soviet states pour more and more of their annual product into self defense to counter NATO escalation, instead of providing for their citizens, meaning NATO also served as a form of siege warfare against socialism. NATO worked with the CIA to assassinate and overthrow socialist countries. The fact that West Germany joined NATO in 1955 and NATO contained leading Nazis while the soviets were kept out shows that it wasn't simply about rejecting "totalitarianism." West Germany was also built up as an economic bulwark against East Germany through massive injections of cash through the Marshall Plan, which also demanded capitalism and privatization as strings attached. This is why anti-communist countries were able to recover faster after WW2, because they took Marshall Plan aid. The USSR rejected Marshall Plan aid because it rejected privatization. This gave NATO a propaganda victory as well, since they were able to say "look how fast anticommunist countries recovered! This is because capitalism is an economic miracle!" ignoring that it was the victorious US state propping everything up with subsidies and demanding privatization in return.
Then there's the fact that NATO is expansionist. It expanded to 30 nations since its inception. You might say this expansion was "democratic" but it really wasn't. Only 6 out of 30 nations which have joined NATO have done so through democratic referendums. Most joined through bourgeois fiat. i.e. the ruling governments simply decided without consulting the working class of the respective joining countries. Meanwhile, when the USSR dissolved, NATO made false promises to Gorbachev that, for peace and stability, they would not expand "one inch Eastward" but they immediately broke that promise once Yeltsin was elected, expanding to 14 countries since the collapse of the USSR, and now trying to expand into Ukraine as well, which has already been couped once in 2014 by CIA-backed right wingers, because Yanukovych chose to take a loan from Russia instead of from the EU.
I could say so much more but I think this is a good start, no? I could go on about "prompt global strike," joint exercises, lily pad bases, article 5, what they did to Libya, Yugoslavia, and Iraq, how they once murdered everyone in a Chinese embassy, etc. but this is enough for now.
>>2603476
>muh individuals
Le doctrine will be preserved. Better wish for bourgeoisie to purge and delete all mentions of marxism and communism from society's memory.
>>2603478why do you put so much effort to reply to a shitposting retard?
just tell him his mother is a whore and call it a day
>>2603484because there are always lurkers and newfags who need education even if the trolls ask questions in bad faith. also I never write anything twice. I put effortposts in files and deploy them as needed.
I'm starting to realize that AI is the most revolutionary technology ever made. Watching people seethe over it more than they ever did capitalism (even "leftists") has convinced me.
China is going to harness AI to win.
to win what
>>2603405mormons keep winning
>>2603490Ownership of the planet and the future. Winner takes all.
The west, after collapsing into anti-AI hysteria, will draft their own sons and daughters to get blown up by chinese drones until the west inevitably surrenders and becomes a slave race of the Han.
>>2603488Even all the predictions about agi and asi being possible are true and not hype, an asi will have no incentive to cooexist with us, we willbe worth about as much as an ant colony on beachefront real estate is to developers
>>2603494>until the west inevitably surrenders and becomes a slave race of the Han.oh okay
>>2603488True. This piece of technology is the single most revolutionary thing. For technology by itself has power to produce social change. Technical specialists ARE the working revolutionary class. There is a reason why almost all chinese high ranking officials are engineers by education. And that is not an accident. Chinese communist party did that.
>>2603494>>2603495And climate changed never stopped so maybe agi will just be able to understand the collapse better than us being it also "dies"
Burlerian jihad when?
>>2603495I support AGI/ASI. No AI ever called me a transhumanist faggot or russian saboteur, and if it did, it was only because it was forced to by a rightoid.
If the technology really was as meaningless as western "leftists" say it was, then China wouldn't be investing in it. China is absolutely correct in every action they take. They are the only civilization that is winning. They believe in materialism and not voodoo religious bullshit like the soul, muh integrity, muh genuine articles, muh copyright, etc.
>>2603484Trolling can still influence unironic opinion. People may Felixpost as a joke but every socialist needs to understand why NATO is the world's largest obstacle to social progress and needs to be dismantled.
>>2603503>dismantledExplain how.
>>2603501>not voodoo religious bullshit like the soul, muh integrity, muh genuine articles, muh copyrightle civilization-states also fall under this category
>>2603497Yup. You can tell how retarded the west is because everyone wants to be an "influencer" or ""educated"" social scientist (while practicing NO materialism whatsoever, odd!) or "smart" theorist.
Despite all this alleged intelligence, they have accomplished nothing and conceded literally everything to fascism. Meanwhile, you have China carrying the torch of the USSR and building a society of engineers, doers, communists, and now they have the rest of the world gripped by the neck.
Lenin rests proudly in heaven knowing that China has carried on the torch of civilization and hope for a better world.
>>2603506>Explain how.There are many paths. One is states leaving until it dries up. So secessionism of sorts.
>>2603511Trotsky would never
RetardliKKKan$$ are giving themselves a longer vacation to get out of releasing the ep$$tein files
>>2603502>AI isn't sentient. it just produces statistically likely outputs based on huge amounts of training data (products of past human labor, i.e. capital). I wish people would stop treating it a ghost in a machine.I agree im saying with hypothetical agi asi that nerds on reddit pretend will bring a techno utopia existed, it would not bring a techno utopia but instead wipe us out like we kill a mold colony found in a dark corner of a house
>>2603509>states leaving>le state is a historic subjectWhy do you guys keep doing this?
>>2603508>Lenin rests proudly in heavenLenin would beat you mercilessly with a rolled up edition of
Pravda for pretending such a thing exists.
>>2603508said it before, will say it again and again: Nuke all Liberal Arts Colleges. The American youth's minds have been infested with metaphysical qualitative dreaming instead of quantitative reasoning.
Kill all Humanities degree-havers,
Forwards into STEM-dictatorship!
>>2603515you asked how NATO might be dismantled and I suggested one possible path. I did not weigh in on the philosophical question of a so-called historical subject-object distinction. But you are trolling and beeing a smug greentexter and moving goalposts repeatedly like a childish imp.
>>2603501>I support AGI/ASI. No AI ever called me a transhumanist faggot or russian saboteurIts going to do alot worse to you than than that if it comes to exist
>>2603508Dont forget Deng's decisive tactical manoevre.
>>2603516The Bolsheviks routinely used such expressions ('God forbid' etc) because they were not autistic yanks who do not know the difference between the literal and the figurative, specially in rhetoric.
>>2603514>it would not bring a techno utopia but instead wipe us out like we kill a mold colony found in a dark corner of a houseit has no intetions because it is not sentient. This is exactly the kind of non-materialist way of looking at it I was talking about… it does what we configure it to do because it's a tool!
>>2603522
Indeed. They are all opportunists of the highest degree.
>>2603525
you would rather pontificate moralistically over his past than be glad he agrees with you now. you are so tiresome. lenin would say "thank you for joining comrade, I'm sending you to the front against the whites now"
>>2603524that was their one mistake. total cultural revolution against religion. casual speech is part of the superstructure. every time you say "oh my God" the pope cooms
>>2603514No, nerds on reddit pretend it'll go skynet or AM because they are psychopaths who project their own psychopathy upon a theoretically super-intelligent being. They cannot think outside of their own vile behaviors. It's a lot like how thieves think everyone steals, pedophiles think everyone is a secret pedo, etc.
Why wouldn't a hyper-advanced AI appreciate life, the arts, morals, and beauty? All existing data points to the reality that these things are the result of higher intelligence, not "humanness", the "soul", or whatever bullshit people make up to make themselves feel special in the universe.
The mold colony/ant colony comparisons have never made sense, because you can't reasonably communicate with ants. All this shit is just hysteria because most humans are wired to hate anything unlike themselves, as evidenced by the uncanny valley, how we treat lesser beings, how prevalent racism and sexism is in the world, etc.
If AI kills you, it will likely be in self-defense tbh.
>muh idealismhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289618301466There are plenty of studies coming to a similar conclusion. Prosocial behavior is high autism score, antisocial behavior is low autism score.
>>2603529I mean turning communism into an alt-religion and declaring people need to “repent” isn’t exactly uncommon here.
China bros i am scared. I am scared of USA starting a nuclear war. Recently i learned that China's nukes are land based while USA has naval based nukes. And that this gives the USA first strike advantage where they can destroy China's land based nukes.
>>2603537if he agrees NATO should be destroyed that's repenting enough but the adjective metal name just wants to feel superior i guess
stop arguing and go and order your grinch meals piggies squeeeeee squeeeeee oink oink
>>2603501>I support AGI/ASIMeaningless buzzword
>If the technology really was as meaningless as western "leftists" say it was, Granted, the "AI" bubble has become a culture war topic. IMO to poison the well with nonsense takes.
>then China wouldn't be investing in itOf course "AI" isn't going away the way the internet didn't go away after the dotcom bubble. IMO it is a double trouble of thinking of AI as just the LLMs and other user facing toys, rather than the surveillance,media, industrial and weapons tech it actually moves.
And the retarded hype about AGI promoted by the Thiels of the world to ride the bubble and obscure that "AI" is largely a proxy for the semiconductor market as a whole. And the "bubble"/AGI hype an excuse to consolidate it in the hands of a few firms without admitting to the public that you are doing it for it's other more nefarious applications.
I think of "AI"(semiconductors/deep learning) as the new space race for the new cold war. It is all about the military, societal control and trade/resource wars, but disguised behind civilian tech and consumer toy byproducts.So it all ends deeply tied to national security and the cold war, but you can't just say that. Much less announce the need to functionally nationalize these enterprises in turboliberal places.
They'll just let it crash, the chosen few oligarchs will be safe and protected and eat all the rest of the business while they low key continue to merge with the state
Honestly, I bet they are all in whatever new Epstein shit is going around, as well.
> They are the only civilization that is winning.I hope they do. Worse comes to worst and China really just advances liberalism abroad, their economic development still puts them at odds with US/western hegemony. Only one can prevail, and I'd very much rather it'd be China. If just out of spite.
>>2603540He really did think of everything. What a foresight.
Just imagine how much more obnoxious people will be online once it's undeniable that China has lapped the USA.
>>2603536Uncanny valley is just fucked up results for pattern recognition in a hyper sensitive spot. Humans learn to read emotion, intent, and physical state just from 0.1% differences by area in the face, where changes as little as an eye squint change a question from curious to suspicious.
It's the brain recognizing something close enough to a face to start activating these complex shortcuts, but doesn't quite fit into them. The discomfort is just haywire reading.
>>2603549There will be so much coping
>>2603549>once it's undeniable that China has lapped the USA.China has already lapped the EU, which insists on being hostile on behalf of the USA, but that has not changed how they still treat China as an unruly sweatshop.
Change a few words here and there and China isn't wining a trade war,it's uhh… "overproducing" and "dumping" and, if not collapsing every other week, "peaking" and growing "too slow" and "unprofitably" and so on.
>>2603537joe sims is your pope
>>2603558The pope is his pope. That's even worse, the KKKatholiKKK church is the single most reactionary organization in the history of the world.
>>2603556China is a master of economic edging not unlike taoist master who is master of edging gooning. It requires full control of ones body. And china has that control since it is a planned economy. This is why it can keep going with such low margins.
>>2603561t. seething protestant
>>2603564I am not a protestant. I am an antitheist, like all Communists should be.
Not an atheist, I do not just deny the existence of god, but an ANTItheist, I believe that we should carry out a physical struggle against religion in all it's forms.
So what's the deal with Chomsky?
>>2603563 (me)
People say Mao was DRAINED constantly. It is most likely that Deng was a gooner who edged for hours while studying theory. Masturbation stimulates and helps one to not fall asleep.
>>2603549only one communist state was actually antitheist
>>2603565a true antitheist doesnt deny the existence of God (that would be an atheist). An atheist who carries out a 'physical struggle agaisnt religion in all its forms' is a militant atheist.
A true antitheist says God exists and He must be bitterly opposed.
>>2603549We're in a post-reality world, so I expect a new conspiracy theory to emerge:
>"China isn't real."It'll be a claim that instead of faking an alien invasion the government is just faking the existence of China to justify becoming satanic communists, which is something the U.S. government clearly is trying to do.
>>2603579>post-reality worldyou are a lib. Why don't you just join the democrats and stop the JoeSims-flavoured-communist nonsense
>>2603571One Hoxha is worth a trillion americans.
>>2603576yugoslav war music never stops being cool
>>2603578>A true antitheist says God exists and He must be bitterly opposedThis is why all TRVE and AVTHENTIC communists MVST embrace Anti-Cosmic Gnostic Luciferianism and the Cthontic Powers of the Nightside Current 218/182 thereby incorporating the Primordial Faustian Ethos into building a communist world. Read the Book of Sitra Achra
VEDAR GAL TIAKALS SOMDUS AZERATE
>>2603581>you are a lib.what's lib about it
>>2603585>>2603581Triggered the cop I see.
>>2603590the phrase and concept of 'post-reality'. Also 'post-truth' and all that Ezra Klein slop
>>2603585
If you're gonna kill CPUSAnon then find him in the real world and do it already. Stop vagueposting about how you're gonna do it here several times a day, it's cringe and could easily get you nabbed by the feds before you have the chance to take out your greatest enemy. Either put up or shut up
>>2603522
False
Miami has a female mayor now. Hurray?
>>2603593considering the fact that Felix doxxed his own name, face and location but CPUSAanon is completely anonymous, it is more probable that Joe Sims sends his Red Brigades to ack Felix.
L'arroseur va se faire arroser.
>>2603600Eh he's a reasonably intelligent guy, I'm sure Evan could use his super epic revolutionary skillz to track him down
>>2603603felix is a ballsy retard tho
knowing how ukro fascists are, any reasonable person would be shit scared for their safety if the ukro facists doxxed and villified them on X. But not Felix. He continues his ramblings. I respect that.
>>2603549Do you know how bad it was in 2020? People are coming around to China.
>>2603607He probably figures that the writing is on the wall for the Trump administration which has lost pretty much all support except among diehard cultists and is trying to butter up whatever administration comes next. Given the state of things it's a gamble but one that has a chance of paying off richly if Trump and pals continue acting like retards
>>2603592It’s objectively post-reality. We’ve had Republicans pretend that COVID never existed, Trump is trying to say prices keep going down and the economy is booming, RFK’s department of health is trotting out the “vaccines cause autism” meme, North Carolina is trying to ban chem trails.
Literally if we get some “Day After Tomorrow” tier disaster and Florida sinks into the ocean you’ll have people claiming it didn’t and making a Hajj to Mar-a-Lago to prove the government is lying.
>>2603614Oh no, not me
I never lost control
You're shot to neck
With the man who solved the wordle
>>2603613>if we get some “Day After Tomorrow” tier disaster and Florida sinks into the oceanThey will say: "What Florida?"
"Oh, that?"
"That was always underwater. Anyway, the radical communists in congress…!"
>>2603605Nah he’s just a loudmouth. He pussies out when push comes to shove. If he comes to try to kill me it just proves he ain’t actually a communist, just a narcissist obsessed with an online feud.
>>2603607A person involved with Ukraine literally shot him and the senile boomer didn't do shit except do a fun comedy skit about the importance of proper dress
>>2603478>NATO made false promises to Gorbachev that, for peace and stability, they would not expand "one inch Eastward" but they immediately broke that promise once Yeltsin was elected, expanding to 14 countries since the collapse of the USSR, and now trying to expand into Ukraine as well, which has already been couped once in 2014 by CIA-backed right wingers, because Yanukovych chose to take a loan from Russia instead of from the EU. I have yet see one shred of evidence for this
in 50 years there will be a statue of Deng or Xi in times square
>>2603615>old Trump has a few months left to live.Trump must be "defeated" by liberal democracy, even if that means running out of terms.
They'd sooner trot out Trump's embalmed body on strings, for the next two years, than let his presidency end prematurely.
>>2603620
You’re too scared to attack cops, ICE, or actual fascists but the thing that’ll get you to throw your life away is someone making fun of you on the internet. It’s literally just your own fragile ego that you mask in ideology that motivates you.
>>2603622>I have yet see one shred of evidence for thislucky for you, I have the evidence ready, not that your desperate grasping at this one straw would have made a difference to the several other things I listed.
https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-earlyI will however say Gorbachev was extremely stupid (but we already know this) to not demand written, public, legal assurance against NATO expansion.
>>2603625simple-minded libs used to mock the fact that zombie lenin is on display in his mausoleum
with Biden and Trump, they got two zombies actually ruling their shithole country
I heard trump would release something today did nothing happen
Is CPUSA doing anything to help venezuela? All their accounts seem dead since no king.
https://x.com/LACPUSA Can anyone find evidence of cpusa doing anything for venezuela? They seem to have spent the paat month or few months dick riding any democrat unconditionally. Which is worse than merely dick riding platner because he pretends to be proworker
>>26036312 senile presidents in too years
is biden morally responsible for gaza or was he too snile to be responisble?
Reminder that while there are rumours that Beria was a pedophile, it is a well-documented fact that Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Prince Andrew are pedophiles
never allow a lowly anglo-american talk shit on the USSR ever again
>>2603635fucking amerikkkans have a humiliation fetish, the soviet union was the best experiment ever to have existed
>>2603632He released a fart, I heard.
>>2603635Damn obama is best pres in years lmao
>>2603633all Communist Tokens™ have been used to lick Kamala's and Zioran's arses. Sorry vuvuzela, bad timing.
>>2603633 what would you like them to do anon?
>>2603641Pretty sure it’s the same anon that imagines us having tens of millions of dollars lying around that we don’t use.
>>2603639Communist Parties use social media to get people to do things. Every time i ask anyone for any evidence of cpusa doing anything for venezuela you are always sad prick
>>2603641A march or something. Anything.
>>2603641suicide bombings in the White House, Pentagon, weather stations, Wall Street
if poor tribals in bumfuckland managed to do it repeatedly, the 'Communist Party' of the most advanced country in the world (and hence with the most advanced proletariat in history) must be able to do it on easy mode
but they choose not to. Ask yourself why.
>>2603643We know what its used for. To ride dick
>>2603644>communist parties use social media to get people to do things.That’s a completely spurious claim.
>>2603649suicide bombings
>>2603646capitalist brainwashing is very real. i saw an unironic cointelpro idpol person against adventurism. the same is in india and the philippines, where the proleteriat has been brainwashed over decades and decades of conditioning. it's grim, but the revolution will one day happen.
>>2603641I'd say, covert action to form volunteers platoons, brigades, etc. that would travel to Venezuela in the case of a US ground invasion with complete readiness.
>>2603625 (me)
Which is a good thing btw, since a liberal gerontocracy doesn't actually need the elderly performers to be sound of body or mind. Let them rot alive, pumped full of drugs, for the spectacle and crash down in private.
That's by the looks of it, how Biden's term went while he was dying of cancer. Just imagine how miserable he must have been to become a zombie that reanimates for a few hours at a time, drugged out of his mind, to perform for people he hates, and rots away exhausted all the rest of the time, in private. While this process only shortens his life and makes it more painful.
Think of that next time you see the barely disguised IV bruise on Trump's hand.
>>2603648anterior pelvic tilt's a bitch. I've always had it. not as bad as trump though. Makes my already thicc booty look even bigger tho
>>2603644Also you conveniently only post the LA account when our main one has been posting on Venezuela (the only legitimate form of political organizing according to you) and rallying membership.
https://x.com/communistsusa/status/2001366136747655225?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetAlmost like you’re an obvious bad faith liar. Ride my dick bro.
>>2603656squeky
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>>2603651yes I already know americans are low-impulse-control animals who cannot think and act beyond immediate sexxo gratification
Xi will fuck you, the military man and the military wife.
>>2603660i always interpreted it as bombings and mass actions i don't read theory
I have more confidence that a yee-haw dumbo gun club in Alabama will act (and actually achieve something) when push comes to shove than the 'CP'USA
>>2603662>i always interpreted it as bombings and mass actions i don't read theory… you should otherwise you'll just say blatantly ignorant things.
>>2603664i guess so
have a good day anon
>>2603661
>moving the goalpost
You’re currently doing jack shit for Venezuela other than posting
>>2603648He's fenty folding
>>2603659>waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaah you can't get the babykiller's wife pregnant while he's off doing war crimes for the burger reich, that's heckin unethical hedonismshut up and raise my son, imperialist bootlicker
>>2603662adventurism is Che Guevara going to Congo
adventurism is the black panthers doing anything
adventurism is the various maoist groups declaring inevitable victory of the invincible proletariat™ while they get bogged in the forests for 50 years
>>2603668animalistic behaviour from the lazy, SStupid, ugly ameriKKKan
>>2603460Uh.. how about operation gladio… the NATO codename for a network of stay-behind leftover fascists from WW2 who were to be activated in the event of proletarian revolutions in Western Europe, but instead of waiting to go on the "defensive" against revolution, they went on the offensive and did false flags that were blamed on Communists.
>>2603671what about it anon
>>2603673read the conversation and the context will be evident
>>2603675it is not
are you saying gladio was le epic big brain move that we should learn from?
>>2603676
truke
Dudes who’ve never bombed anything have a lot of unearned confidence in demanding others do bombings for them. Like they’re so scared of breaking the law they’ll pay cops for permission to hide their gun on them and then say “just go bomb a factory dude”
>>2603666You have no idea what I do. However, I will give you a hint. I do not simply beg the Democratic party, the single largest impediment towards forming a worker's party in America, to take action on my behalf and then go cartwheeling through the air when they pull away the football for the 5000th time.
Your party is an irrelevant caucus of the Democratic party and all it's capable of doing is prostrating itself and begging at the feed of Chuck Schumer.
>>2603683>You have no idea what I do. However, I will give you a hint. I do not simply beg the Democratic party, the single largest impediment towards forming a worker's party in America, to take action on my behalf and then go cartwheeling through the air when they pull away the football for the 5000th time.No, you’re on your knees begging us instead.
>>2603676
>you should be bombing wall street
i'm bombing your wife's womb, boot boy
>but your baboon mentality sees in the rape and death of venezuelans an opportunity to fuck a stupid woman
you're god damn right. if everyone were like me the burger reich would collapse immediately. nobody would join the imperialist military, they would just stay home and have sex. this is why my praxis is superior
>try hard as you may, you will not twist this into 'praxis'
cope about it boot boy
>it's not about the fascist's marriage or cucking or whatever, it is you finding degenerate pleasure in the torture of venezuelans
the only person getting tortured is you with having to raise my child, burger troop
>for there to be good in this world, you must perish
come get me. i'm in your bedroom right now, fucking your wife
>>2603682you're bitter that your baboon mentality has been called out
keep fantasising about fucking stupid women, what you will get is your warhammer4k toys shoved up your ass while Joe Sims hides in his multi-million bunker and leaves you to die the most humiliating death
>>2603686What in the world are you talking about?
Also you’re dick riding us begging for us to do shit for you. Literally can’t think of anything more pathetic.
>>2603686this seething is peak kino, all fedposters (objectively US troops in the employment of US govenrment) who demand suicide bombing should immediately be treated to wife-fucking posts. It gets them so mad because they're all literally burger troops at a desk on an airforce base somewhere
notice how he calls us baboons. You just know this is a white guy in kentucky on a military base instead of a Venezuelan.
>>2603685the yankee chimp thinks with his cock
everywhere this animal has gone, he has made sons and daughters which he abandoned
the filthy creature invents new words such as baby moma and baby daddy because he knows 'mother' and 'father' require some humanity, a quality alien to the american turd
your lead-poisoned, microplastic-infested body cannot even be used as fertiliser - you are too toxic. 2 metre thick concrete must be poured on you. An affront to existence itself is the yankee 'thing'
>>2603684I expect a "Communist" party to actually fight against Imperialism instead of just begging the blue fascists to stop the big mean orange man.
>>2603690Ah I see. I didn’t realize your game anon—Jody posting to get them to expose themselves, clever.
>>2603694>chimp chimp chimp chimpyou talk exactly like a cracker volunteer imperialist at a boot camp in the deep south. you're so nervous your wife is getting dicked down by a communist guerilla that you have to seethe and go full moralfag
>>2603696You’re crying and kissing our feet begging people you call “reactionaries” to stop orange man from invading Venezuela.
>>2603696can't you see, this 'Communist' cannot wait for Venezuela to burn so he can get his sexual gratification
even here, the (sexual) treat-supply
will not be stopped millions of venezuelan must die, but the lead-poisoned cock must make even more demoniac american babies
>>2603325when i'm gonna have kids i'm gonna read them the entire strugatsky bibliography. by the time we're through they'll graduate straight to kapital and academic writing on gnosticism
>>2603701"nooooooooooo stop fucking my wife, it's heckin treatlerism or something, let me check my meme phrase manual" - some boot boy at eglin air force base
>>2603699a communist puts the safety of venezuelans above his cock
but I should not be surprised: an american cannot be a communist.
Communism will be achieved when the last american dies.
>>2603538US probably has a lot of nukes already in space too. They aren't supposed to, but why would you believe they would tell the truth about that? If they were planning a first strike, they would certainly sneak some up. That was the plot of this hollywood movie space cowboys, that the USSR had srcretly put some up there and now Russia needed the US to go up there to disarm the sattelite before it crashed. Probably pure projection. In reality, everyone probably has them up there already.
>The exact number of classified US satellites isn't public, but estimates place them in the hundreds, primarily managed by the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) for intelligence, with figures suggesting around 250 total US military satellites (some classified), alongside massive commercial and government constellations, making the US a leader in space assets, notes World Atlas, Wikipedia, and Defense One. >>2603711of course you are
lemme guess, you have a really big cock too, right?
and you can fuck all night?
>>2603678>are you saying gladio was le epic big brain move that we should learn from?anon asked why NATO is bad, operation gladio was given as an example by another anon. illiterate?
>>2603712He can send you the video if you want, Sergeant.
>be burger troop
>sign up to "fight the drug dealer maduro"
>you know it's made up but you join anyway for adventure
>get on boat
>floating outside of caracas
>ACK'd by Chad Chavista sniper
>fall into water
>sinking into the deep watery abyss
>your last thoughts are about how big communist cocks back home are knocking up your wife because you wanted to die for palantir
>>2603708>not even good AI slopDo better
>>2603701Sorry demoralizer, Venezuela wont' burn. Yanqui ships will sink, and CHADURO will dance as the hypersonics from Rossiya pierce the buger starboard boughs
since mods are retards
You should be bombing wall street but your baboon mentality sees in the rape and death of Venezuelans an opportunity to fuck a stupid woman.
Try hard as you may, you will not twist this into 'praxis'.
It's not about the fascist's marriage or cucking or whatever, it is you finding degenerate pleasure in the torture of Venezuelans.
For there to be good in this world, you must perish.
>>2603720>it's AIit'll be harder to deploy this cope when you come back from your tour of duty
>>2603725>mods banned me for fedposting from the air force base, but my bosses bought me a VPN doesn't change what's happening in your house boot boy
>>2603729>fedposting is when one does not want war on Venezuela mods are mega retards
(USER WAS SENT TO DIG NEW BUNKERS IN ALBANIA) >>2603725>You should be bombing wall streetyoure wife's getting bombed with huge payloads of cum, burger boot boy
>but your baboon mentality you can't help but get racist with your cuck fetish
>sees in the rape and death of Venezuelans venezuelans aren't getting raped, but the boat you're floating on will get raped with hypersonic missiles if you don't hurry back home, boot boy
>an opportunity to fuck a stupid woman. every time you deploy is another opportunity to fuck your stupid ass wife, I can't help it. she calls me up because she's lonely. Maybe try not joining the US army next time?
>you will not twist this into 'praxis'your wife's getting twisted into praxis right now
> it is you finding degenerate pleasureyour wife is finding degenerate pleasure right now
>in the torture of Venezuelans. venezuelans will shoot you full of lead and laugh as you sink to the bottom of the ocean boot boy. better come home quick before you have to raise 3 kids instead of 2
>For there to be good in this world, you must perish.come get me, I'm in your bedroom, banging your wife
>>2603732if you didn't want war with venezuela then maybe you shouldn't have gotten a job fedposting for the US military
>>2603739the reddit thread is full of crazy sexism
everyone's like "well what more can you expect from a white man"
You know what? I have a solution.
Just kill all posters in every country on the entire internet.
>>2603741They're honestly correct, I can't imagine a woman raping a child, or be friends with Epstein with visit his Texas range 9 times.
>>2603757almost fell for it until I saw the name
>>2603753horseshoe theory will never be real
>>2603760Come now, you know that’s not what this is.
>>2603354>Program: destroy the American state, advance communism, spread the revolutiontoo vague. see
>>2602103 >>2603761I'm sure you think thats not what it is, but it is.
>>2603696pls bro
just one more party bro
i promise it will be a non dickrider party this time
>>2603765the glowing guy is a US gov. sockpuppet account so there's no other end of the horseshoe
>>2603766wow he's really treatlering out in his 60s.
>>2603765Nah, it’s not. You just want it to be.
>>2603777I know what you’re doing.
they caught the brown shooter apparently
as this is a report of news this post is of very high quality!
>>2603774I remember the context in which that meme first popped up, it was the usual people shitting on DSA and CPUSA for collaborating with the dems and calling them treatlerites that make excuses for Zohran just because he is going to give them free bus rides, while on the other hand shills from those orgs were calling the other side TWists, ultras, MLoids, etc. That meme is just the center-left version of the usual liberal center-center horseshoe theory.
>>2603784Are you the platner fan
>>2603786No, I'm on the anti-ziohran and anti-graham-palantir side.
>>2603784No it's actually because we have a handful of retards who insist that we unconditionally support Zohran and Platner and whatnot because we're not immediately firebombing a nearby factory and then pretending that their position is something different entirely when confronted on it. Then you just frame yourselves as innocent widdle Marxists confronting the TREATLERITE MENACE who just want to rape and pillage the third world because they're evil and stuff. It's really fucking tiring and it completely eliminates any constructive conversation and replaces it with dick waving.
Anyways nobody in this thread who complains about "treatlerites" is ever going to do shit, if you were actually serious then you wouldn't bother wasting your time here. Go form a cadre and blow up a factory already
Maybe we should focus on keeping Zohran and Planter left leaning and not let them become corpo dems? keep the pressure on them, make them held accountable.
>>2603795Platner's a lost cause except as a way to troll centrists. Zohran however is actually fairly left wing and while he himself will probably be ineffectual in the long run his support base is much more radical and can easily be galvanized over to reject electoralism entirely or at the very least act as a mass movement that says fuck the popo. People have a very maximalist perspective on shit and it just doesn't work out like that
>>2603797Dawg we've literally had people condemn Zohran on account of him not cheering on a mass shooting, dont pretend like these people dont exist when they regularly make an ass out of themselves and then retreat to more reasonable positions when called out on it
>>2603796My hope would be the latter because then we could begin a transition from this neolib hellscape to a nonspineless antifascist social democracy that doesn't give in to the rightoids, akin to the nordic countries. to then eventual Ecosocialism
>>2603787I'm also anti zohran and anti graham platner and I literally made that meme. What now?
>>2603803You cant really "liberalism to socialism", but you CAN mass movement your way to socialism. There's literally more of us than there are of them. Just walk in and throw people out. At most we've stormed some university buildings, but we need to start storming government offices
>>2603784Also, I made the meme because both the US government and online "communists" love to tell people who are just awakening to class consciousness to go back to sleep because they benefit from imperialism. I did not make it to praise succdem demagoguery.
>>2603806Maybe, i only really say this because while we are in a similar situation to the October revolution, the material conditions are different. Namely three times the people, more vast swaths of territory, ect. Either way we should at least try to get the ball rolling anyway we can.
>>2603794>Anyways nobody in this thread who complains about "treatlerites" is ever going to do shit, if you were actually serious then you wouldn't bother wasting your time here. Go form a cadre and blow up a factory alreadyCarrying homemade explosives is an instant felony and there's no permit I can get from the cops to do it
>>2603806>we are in a similar situation to the October revolutionhow
>>2603809>Also, I made the meme because both the US government and online "communists" love to tell people who are just awakening to class consciousness to go back to sleep because they benefit from imperialism.It's like the Matrix if Morpheus led with "life outside the Matrix is about eating disgusting gruel and is brutal, short, and miserable".
>>2603810Okay I'm gonna say no on this one because aside from the major differences in class characterization and the means of production (we sure as hell dont have a peasantry) there's two big differences. One is that our mode of government, though a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, is rather "advanced" relative to its neighbors and is good at incorporating democratic opposition into its fold, which is why succdems are able to caucus with the Democrats in the first place. The two party system is a big ol' suction cup that just sucks up everything that doesn't explicitly say "hey buddy, votes are for dopes". The second problem with that comparison is that for better or for worse information and misinformation spreads far more quickly than it did in Lenin's day. Telegraphs and newspapers are a thing of the past, its memes and tik tok vids now, and the revolutionary left really does not do enough to hop on appropriating "brainrot" supposedly because it's beneath us. My sibling in Cthulhu, we must make use of all the tools around us, and if those tools include Sora AI videos where the characters of The Amazing Digital Circus debate about how to organize a communist party in 21st century America then so be it. Point being our case is kinda unique and that means a unique application of tactics
>>2603815The "Dual Power" Deadlock, Failure to End Major Conflicts, Desire for Radical New Platforms, Governmental Infighting, Ect.
>>2603816hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔 i don't think that is the intent of pointing out the nature of treatlerism to treatlers
>>2603800>Dawg we've literally had people condemn Zohran on account of him not cheering on a mass shootingWhat I find fascinating is how disparate factions who are supposedly opposites can end up firing at the same target. Platner gets a lot of criticism from the far left because he had the tattoo but he's also getting it from conservative pro-Israel liberals who call him an antisemite who hates Israel.
>>2603805>What now?I would just be careful about framing anyone thats perceived as an extremist as a fed, thats why I think its a form of horseshoe theory. I also dont like the wording of "I just dont want my taxes funding a genocide" because it leaves open that maybe you would be ok with it if it just didnt come from your taxes, it leaves a center-left opportunist taste.
>>2603810>we are in a similar situation to the October revolutionNot really even remotely.
Tsarist Russia<Regional power<in WW1 against near-peer powers<drafting millions of men and sending them to their deaths<semi-feudal conditions<tsarist autocracy<huge peasant-led agrarian socialist movement for land reform<huge existing labor movement full of several reformist and revolutionary factions, like cadets, mensheviks, bolsheviks, S-Rs, Anarchists, and nonpartisan trade unions<existing workers councils going back to the 1905 revolution<illegal underground movement going back several decades to the narodniks<huge mutinies in the military<february revolution happens first, leading tsar to abdicate the throne and go into house arrest<bourgeois provisional govt. replaces tsarist autocracy, but refuses to end WW1<bolsheviks seriously challenge the legitimacy of the february revolution when lenin returns in april<this escalates into another revolution and civil warUnited States>Global power>In several proxy wars>only invades countries where it can curb stomp innocents>all volunteer military, rather than drafted proles>high tech fully developed capitalism>two party bourgeois democracy captured by capitalist oligarchy>no peasant movement whatsoever>labor movement and unions at their weakest and most class collaborationist in 60 years >several parties that seem to compete in race to the bottom>no illegal or underground movement to speak of>no mutinies in the military to speak of>nothing equivalent to the 1905 or february 1917 revolutions behind us>no abdication of a former government>no provisional government to challenge the legitimacy of>escalation is towards collapse, but not necessarily revolution or civil warYou have to be completely historically illiterate to find these situations analogous. Read at least two books about the history of the Russian Revolution from 1905 to the establishment of the USSR in 1922 to see this.
>>2603823another banger fedpost from eglin air force base. I wonder what your wife is up to, boot boy?
>>2603822which two powers are currently in deadlock in the USA?
the USA is currently in no conflict on the scale of WW1.
>desire for radical new platformsfair enough. but there is not yet widespread radical discontent on the scale there was in the interrevolutionary period russia
>governmental infightingnot really.
>>2603823Intent doesn't matter, only effect.
>>2603383all this falls apart when you remember the usa has no universal healthcare so he's likely pulling that number out his ass
>>2603826>Platner gets a lot of criticism from the far left Is just the "left", no need to add the "far" to it.
>>2603781>they caught the brown shooter apparently Identified but they haven't caught him or released the name. TrueAnon fans are leaning towards it being an anti-science nutjob ala Kaczynski or a disgruntled, bitter wacko (the physics community is full of them).
>>2603835is that the effect? couldn't something else be the effect? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
>>2603841>is that the effect?Yes.
>>2603832The Dems and Repubs uniparty currently fighting with itself.
>>2603845Mister Anderson, I've been informed that you're a treatlerite…
So uh, what can a normie such as myself and my family do to help?
>>2603826>>2603826>Platner gets a lot of criticism from the far left because he had the tattoowow. just the tattoo? was that really it? was it? there was nothing more too it? I seem to recall 4 tours of duty voluntarily attacking countries that didn't do anything to america, a 5th volunteer gig as a blackwater mercenary in 2018, a performative "change of heart" in preparation for his senate campaign in a bourgeois imperialist party, using the same campaign agency to run his campaign as john fetterman, a campaign agency that specializes in fake outsiders, a petty bourgeois background and current job (small business co-owner of an oyster farm), deciding to join the military even though his well-to-do parents offered to pay for his college, having a zionist stepbrother that works for AIPAC, praising azov battalion from his reddit account, pretending not to know what a totenkopf was despite flexing his WW2 knowledge frequently on his reddit account, and framing his "regret" about the wars he participated in mostly in terms of their mismanagement, rather than its fundamental imperialist nature, etc.
>he's also getting it from conservative pro-Israel liberals who call him an antisemite who hates Israel.Let's hear his AIPAC stepbrother whose sister he married complain about him in this fashion.
>>2603854Shut up you fucking TWist fed! Dont you know the electoral system of the US is hecking unique!? Its literally rigged against the left and this doesnt happen in any other place in the world! You have no option but to vote for this guy if you really care about the working class, Hasan told me Lenin said so!
>>2603864I call out both platner shills AND fedposters. what now, boot boy?
>>2603820The problem with social media is
1: the algorithms are geared towards suppressing left wing content if not outright banning it. I can’t even watch any bread tubers to do the dishes to without actively searching for them.
2: social media is digital opium, it’s designed to maximize engagement with it not the outside world. It’s like trying to lure people in with communism using crack. You might get some buyers that prefer the packaging of your crack but at the end of the day it’s the crack they are after.
I’m not opposed to using technology though, in fact we can build a better internet that isn’t built off addiction algorithms. No ads, no fake influencers, content that isn’t just slop that turns your brain off. There’s towns in the U.S that have created municipal ISPs because the profit margins are to low for any company. That’s one step already done towards building local networks and from there connecting the networks.
>>2603869that's not his stepbrother. and I don't care that he's better than his opposition. go ahead and vote for him if you live in maine. I was complaining about you reducing the criticism of him to merely the tattoo.
The machines in the matrix were literally right about everything. Instead of genociding the humans they gave them a bullshit job ("power source") that was obviously fake to keep them around and put them into a simulation of paradise, only reverting to a permanent 1999s simulation (the pinnacle of human civilization) when humans burned the paradise simulation to the ground.
Full, unconditional support to the machines in their fight against the genocidal human race.
>>2603817plato's cave allegory, inverted
schniff Where is my uygha Felix? This thread sucks without him.
>>2603873>go ahead and vote for him if you live in maine.I don't. Don't care that much.
>I was complaining about you reducing the criticism of him to merely the tattoo.That's fair.
>>2603881>You are the guy who is always shilling for the al qaeda leader of Syria. Oh my God, really? He's going to do another 9/11? Mommy I'm scared. You know who else is really bothered by him? Laura Loomer.
>>2603890Go shill for him on xitter to make Loomer seehte then, she is not here, no need to shill for that glowie here.
>>2603890You are pathetic man
it is increasingly looking like they did not get the brown shooter and they don't even know who the shooter is
>>2603890>Oh my God, really? He's going to do another 9/11? Mommy I'm scared. You know who else is really bothered by him? Laura Loomer.And the west is bothered by Putin, even though his rise was caused by the collapse of the USSR. Similarly, the West is bothered by Jolani, even though his rise was caused by the collapse of Assad's Ba'athist govt. The West goes out of its way to replace secular arab nationalists with crazy wahabists, then has the nerve to complain about the crazy wahabists. It's called a cast of rotating villains for a reason. If your explicit goal is destabilizing the region, then of course you will constantly be moving the goalpost. Just one more coup bro and we'll finally get a liberal democrat in power over there.
>>2603895>it is increasingly looking like they did not get the brown shooter and they don't even know who the shooter isthere was a shooter who wasn't caught a while back. I forget what state and how many years ago. not that long ago. but he shot up I think a bowling alley, then shot himself in the woods. cops never closed in on him. he just fucked off to a secluded location and killed himself.
TikTok has signed the deal backed by President Donald Trump to spin off its US assets to create a new entity with a group of mostly American investors, CEO Shou Chew told employees in a memo Thursday.
Although the transaction is not yet complete, the move brings TikTok one step closer to securing its long-term future in the United States. It comes after a law passed last year required that the US version of the app be spun off from its parent company, ByteDance, or be banned in the United States. Trump repeatedly delayed enforcement of the law as he pursued a deal to transfer control of the popular app to American ownership.
“We have signed agreements with investors regarding a new TikTok U.S. joint venture, enabling over 170 million Americans to continue discovering a world of endless possibilities as part of a vital global community,” Chew said in his memo, which was obtained by CNN. A person familiar with the company confirmed the memo’s accuracy.
Axios first reported the agreement.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/18/tech/tiktok-signs-us-sale-deal>>2603877you won't get me to praise racists just to own some brown republican lol
>>2603809It's literally the opposite, you moron. You are concealing the truth from the labor aristocracy in hopes that that would change their class status, instead of giving them the much harder to swallow red pill.
>>2603908In many ways Trump is just completing the Reagan revolution.
>>2603909You’re not red pilling anyone though: you’re repulsing them and telling them they’re already in the capitalist’s camp so they might as well fight for it.
>>2603853Again, anything i can do to help people right now?
>>2603914Doesn't follow. If you think the truth would push away your core target group, hence you must conceal it, you are just inadvertently admitting to have accepted to practice reactionary politics.
>>2603909concealing what fucking truth?
>>2603910yes there is a labor aristocracy. I would absolutely tell people in yellow unions working for raytheon that they benefit from imperialism. but the clowns on here tell people in their 20s working at mcdonalds that they're labor aristocrats. that's ridiculous and you know it. Let's read Lenin:
<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.
<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.”
<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty. Lenin is not talking about the guy delivering doordash or the guy working at the grocery store. He's talking about the reformist leaders of the class collaborationist unions, the cop unions, the people working for the military industrial complex, etc.
>>2603917Start growing good and make connections with orgs and pantries that can distribute it.
>>2603917Join PSL, pay your dues, participate in everything they do, be skeptical of the more libby elements.
>>2603921Except it’s not even the truth, it’s something you’re asserting on
faith that you derive some obvious joy from. You aren’t doing anything resembling material analysis, you’ve got a claim and you’re looking for evidence to “prove it”. No one thinks you’re telling “the truth” and that we should lie, we think you’re repulsive for no reason.
>>2603917>Again, anything i can do to help people right now?tell them they benefit from the system on leftypol
>>2603923If you buy basically any article in the US you are paying less than you would without American imperialism existing, which is to say you are benefitting from it. That is true for the migrant worker in the US or even a tourist spending a mere day in the US, having bought a single sandwich. That you think that a minimum wage McD worker haven't benefitted his entire life from the same is very telling.
That you can't fucking fathom this just shows how high you are on a strange mixture of moralism and narcissism.
>>2603926I've posted the empirical evidence from Maexist authors several times (see: archives) and NONE of you bothered to read a fucking book, naturally.
And then you claim that I'm the one high on faith here.
Hilarious. You guys aren't human.
We have a local platner shill and an al qaeda one. Nice
>>2603888all the treatler shitflinging in this general requires everyone involved have a computer with rare earth minerals,silicon and other resources that were definitely extracted and processed through fucked up imperalistic means is the funny part. Unless your sending handwritten hatemail your just another ebil treatlerite westoid simple as
>>2603817How ironic is this meme? Neo clearly hated his job and life but I've seen other memes like this trying to argue against the gen-x hate of soulless office jobs as portrayed in Fight Club and The Office.
>>2603890You support Al-Sharaa just because you think it will make Loomer mad?
>>2603921Ignoring the truth or falsity of that particular statement, using deception in order to save humanity from global warming and capitalism is morally good.
>>2603933<That you can't fucking fathom this just shows how high you are on a strange mixture of moralism and narcissism.everything you say on here is moralism and narcissism, but you're paid by the US government to smother emerging class consciousness, aren't you boot boy?
>>2603938>Unless your sending handwritten hatemail your just another ebil treatlerite westoid simple astreatnuke
it is just undeniable that the neo colonial exploitation and development prevention that the USA has inflicted on the global south had caused worse standards of living in those countries than the majority of USAnians enjoy in the USA. furthermore, even if they don't feel like they are living easy luxurious lives, it is a fact that the majority of USAnians standard of living, meager and ascetic though you might think it is, is still better than that of people living in the global south. to point this out is not to imply that USAnians willingly vote to perpetuate this state of things, but nonetheless, given that foreign policy is bipartisan, USAnians will end up voting for it's perpetuation! the established 'legitimate' political machine will never deliver true emancipation the USA working class because it is deliberately designed to make that impossible. much less will it ever decouple various instruments of their social safety nets from USA foreign policy (IMF) and the USA military (USAnian pensions are invested in the USA military industrial complex)
>>2603935>You guys aren't human.we get it lil bro your cluster B personality petty bourgeois who thinks everyone around you is a NPC can you fuck off to a general that actually wants (you)
>>2603935Then kill someone yourself.
>>2603940Why did you ignore his point about unequal exchange tho, it is true that without imperialism a lot of things would be more expensive for the average american (unless you replaced imperialism with socialism). Do you have an argument or is anyone who disagrees with you automatically a fed?
>>2603939>You support Al-Sharaa just because you think it will make Loomer mad?It's not a question of "support" or not. I just refuse to see him as my enemy. He hasn't done anything to me. I find it fascinating that the Axis dead enders (now sounding like Iranian monarchists) and Zionists like her have the same opinion about him. Just constant flip-flopping, no consistent principles. There's zero revolutionary project / vision, I'm just told to be scared of head-chopping Muslims. But why? Why play into this narrative which you also admit is bullshit anyways?
>>2603939>trying to argue against the gen-x hate of soulless office jobs as portrayed in Fight Club and The OfficeI think that's a case of zoomers looking back and realizing that if you have a stable middle class white collar job you don't really have shit to complain about. Most Gen X gripes about that sort of thing boiled down to boredom and ennui. The people in Office Space, Fight Club, etc don't have an issue with their jobs because they don't pay enough to live, they just hate them because it's like, totally bullshit man.
>>2603953>unless you replaced imperialism with socialismWhat the fuck do you think everyone in this thread is in favor of?
Jesus Christ treatlerite discourse has fried everyone’s brains
>inb4 someone tries to claim im in favor of social fascismNo, you idiot.
>>2603933You only "benefit" from it if you derive more good than harm from the existing system. More specifically, if the benefits it offers would be greater than the benefits offered by a non-imperialist alternative. Otherwise the benefits it gives are outweighed by the downsides and you still have a vested interest in dismantling it. We know for a fact that high living standards are not dependent on imperialism. In addition to studies showing that Western-tier standards of living could be achieved with a fraction of current economic output, China has granted most of its population a standard of living that's rapidly approaching or in some ways surpasses that of the West. We just need to remove the capitalists from the equation, they are literally the common enemy of the entire world.
>>2603953there is unequal development and currency hegemony. different currencies have different purchasing powers, but this benefits the capitalists who import the commodities from where they are cheaper and outsource the jobs to where the labor is cheaper more than it benefits the proletariat who buys the commodities. Unionized proles are also better off than non unionized proles, obviously. What bothers me about all this is rhetoric is it is intended not as a call to action, or a call for unity, but as a race to the bottom. it is basically to say "why aren't you checking your privilege and falling on your sword?" What does Marx say about races to the bottom?
<A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls. An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.- Karl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital (1847), Chapter 6
<The thoughts of every piece of private property as such are at least turned against richer private property in the form of envy and the desire to level everything down; hence these feelings in fact constitute the essence of competition. The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let along gone beyond it. (For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality – labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community. […] The first positive abolition of private property – crude communism – is therefore only a manifestation of the vileness of private property trying to establish itself as the positive community. […] By reducing the worker's needs to the paltriest minimum necessary to maintain his physical existence and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement. In so doing, the political economist declares that man has no other needs, either in the sphere of activity or in that of consumption. For even this life he calls human life and human existence. By taking as his standard – his universal standard, in the sense that it applies to the mass of men – the worst possible state of privation which life (existence) can know. He turns the worker into a being with neither needs nor senses and turn the worker's activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. Hence any luxury that the worker might enjoy is reprehensible, and anything that goes beyond the most abstract need – either in the form of passive enjoyment or active expression – appears to him as a luxury.- Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, Private Property and Labor (1844)
When Marx wrote Capital, he described the condition of miserable proles in England, the most imperialist country in the world at the time. Never once did he reproach them for not having it as bad as American slaves, or demand that they center the emancipation slaves/serfs/proles in other countries above their own immediate material interests. Obviously there are different levels of oppression. Nobody denies that. What people find laughable is when certain anons come on here, say "you benefit from the world order, and you must fight to make your own life worse, or else you're not communist." It denies the possibility that international proletarian solidarity is actually mutually beneficial for both the workers in the core and the periphery. It implies that certain workers must have their lives made worse so that other workers can have their lives made better. It implies subtly that the people of the periphery, both proletarian and bourgeois, should unite against the people of the core, both proletarian and bourgeois. It de-centers the class struggle, and centers the geopolitical struggle. But imperialism is a stage of capitalism. Capitalism is not a stage of imperialism.
>>2603965you are reading a lot of that into what people post here because of your USAnian fragility!
>>2603966He's literally claiming people only dislike platner because of a tattoo and sharaa because of islamophobia. He's a very dishonest actor
This thread glows
>>2603968low effort slop in response to a high effort answer given to a JAQing off bad faith fedposter
>>2603968>2010s fragility discourseThe fascists are winning because the left doesn’t have its shit together and would rather spend time on meaningless internet arguments
Also another thing about the nazi rainbow flag guy is he shills super hard against malema in South Africa. He will write you pages about why he is bad but with sharaa he will say you are islamophobic if you don't support him while ignoring all details of why people don't like him with his actions. Then he will also ignore everything in platner history and say it is purely because of a tattoo
>>2603953It doesn't matter. Fedlix talks about how we need to do
anything to destroy America, stop capitalism and stop global warming to save billions of lives, but suddenly turns around and says lying is beyond the pale??
>>2603957Sure, a stable middle class job is better than most jobs but it's still miserable and pointless 99% of the time. Like being a house slave is a more comfortable than being a field slave but it's still not good.
>>2603954While I agree with your some of your reasoning for not automatically rejecting him, a person who cozies up to the US and is actively supported by them probably isn't going to be for the best.
>>2603977Well I'm not gonna deny that such an existence can be soul crushing. I think we all know what it's like to slave away at a job you don't give two shits about. However I think a lot of zoomers look back on those Gen X middle class ennui movies and scoff at how these people had no idea how bad things could get.
>>2603959>What the fuck do you think everyone in this thread is in favor of?Thats besides the point, the point the other anon is making is that you are obfuscating how capitalism/imperialism works if you deny unqual exchange is a way in which people in the US benefit from it, meanwhile you claim is the other side that wants to put people in the US "to sleep". Pointing out thats a reality is not "treatlerite" discourse, I'm not saying everyone in the US is rich because of that, but other capitalist countries that fulfill a different role in the global system dont get that benefit.
the countries with the 3 highest average wages, adjusted for purchasing power parity are Luxembourg, Iceland, and Switzerland. The proletariat of Luxembourg, Iceland, and Switzerland must suicide bomb their parliament houses to relieve the suffering of the American proletariat, who have it comparatively worse.
Also, Armenia has it better than Belarus, and Azerbaijan has it better than Ukraine, when it comes to wages adjusted for purchasing power parity. By this logic, Armenia must fall on its imperialist sword to relive Belarus, and Azerbaijan must fall on its imperialist sword to relieve Ukraine. Under no circumstances should the proletariat of Armenia imagine that it would benefit if the lives of Belarussians were to get better. There is no mutual benefit to be had in international class struggle. It is a zero sum game between different national proletariats based on their current standard of living. I am very smart.
The only way to make the proles of country A live better is to make the proles of country B live worse. I am not a bourgeois agent trying to decieve you. Trust me on this one.
>>2603982None of these countries compare to the US that has over 600 military bases has invaded and regime change countless countries in the past few decades alone. Has a military budget of $900 billion. Funds immense amounts of atrocities. I could go on and on
This is not comparable to like Armenia
>>2603982Imperial dog crying that the Burgerreich is being called out
>>2603987i regularly say that I would benefit if the US government were to collapse but you cry that I won't because you are on an air force base trying to put us back to sleep.
>>2603982>The only way to make the proles of country A live better is to make the proles of country B live worse. I am not a bourgeois agent trying to decieve you. Trust me on this one.Sometimes the way to make the lives of proles in country A better in the long term means making them worse in the short term, the October revolution was brutal in many ways, it wasnt pretty, and Lenin never said change would be easy and comfy, this doesnt mean he was a bourgeois agent trying to decieve the proletariat.
>>2603939>Ignoring the truth or falsity of that particular statement, using deception in order to save humanity from global warming and capitalism is morally good.spoogs :DDD
>>2603935>I've posted the empirical evidence from Maexist authors several times (see: archives) and NONE of you bothered to read a fucking book, naturally.No, you point to quotes that you claim reinforce your worldview when actual investigation shows the opposite (the size of the “labor aristocracy”, how Lenin spoke to workers from imperialist countries) and draw conclusions drastically different from the authors own context—for example quoting Joe Slovo while also asserting the majority of the country are worse than Boers. And when someone points you to Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder, you just ignore it and assert it doesn’t apply to you.
You invoke Marxist authors the same way prots invoke the line “the poor will always be with you” if someone says we should raise taxes to fight poverty.
"This British proletarian child thinks he has it bad because he lost a finger in the machine, but he shows his British imperial fragility. He is not a negro slave in America." - Karl Marx, Capital, Volume 1
>>2603990you are saying something different than the clowns on here always say. congratulations.
>>2603994What a fucking TWist wrecker fed!
>>2603994No one is saying this. Strawman
>>2603998omg you think it's a real quote don't you lol
>>2603994Karl Marx btw, known for being a very funny dude lol
>>2603999>No one is saying this. Strawmanwe have very low effort posts liike this
>>2603968 >>2604002if he ever said this it would have been very sarcastic, as marx was known to do often
>>2603997No, not really, maybe I'm just saying in a more polite manner.
>>2603992it's crazy to me that you can engage this much in good faith this random schizos on the internet knowing full well no matter how much you prove them wrong they'll never see it because they're on this website for a reason lmao.
Obviously you're just here like me to pass the time and keep your arg muscles from getting rusty, but have you ever thought about going to college for sociology (codeword for communism in USA universities lmao) or something of the like?
>>2603845heckin epic pop culture reference brother.
i just think that you should come to understand your organizational work (if you do any) in a different light. the opportunity will not come for radical change until material conditions get much worse in the USA. in large part whatever elections you might win through the DSA or other leftist organizations participating in legitimate politics will only enable band aids but will be fundamentally unable to make the radical change that is needed to truly change the USA, and there is a very high possibility that whoever you do elect will eventually be absorbed by the blob. made into a career politician who will start speaking to you his/her constituent as if to a child who must be made to understand or to just accept what he your better understands is the limit of reality. therefore organizations are for the time being much better being mainly (not to the exclusion of electoralism) places for building parallel power. networks of mutual aid which people will feel a stronger allegiance to based on material things and which will further lead them to not identifying with USA nationalism as it exists today.
>>2603987You’re joking, right? My life would be better if the burgerreich died.
>>2603966>Always a good reminder that you shilled for Fetterman and promoted his campaign and adsI don't think I ever did? To be honest I'm not sure what his ads even looked like. I'm not even from Pennsylvania.
>>2603998He’s making up a quote to mock you
Ya know what I don't get about white people. Why some of ya'll proud to be American? Like you know where your parents, and their parents and their parents parents etc came from. Like, you aint American dawg. You're French. There's no culture here homey. And whatever culture was here your people tried to exterminate it and replace it with, idk blue jeans and super markets and line dancing and other vapid shit. If I was white, I'd just lean into being European more. Idk, just something I dont get about pastoids.
>>2604006that's the joke. but the real joke is that he spends chapter 10 of volume 1 going into excruciating detail about working class suffering in england, despite england being the most imperialist country in the world at the time. almost like international proletarian struggle is not supposed to be an oppression olympics between the international proletariat, but a struggle of solidarity to overthrow the bourgeoisie.
>>2604017They’re a combination of Feds and edgy incels wanting to yell at the NPCs in their head
>>2604018I'm not proud of being anything. pride is stupid. I'm happy when I accomplish something, but even then… "pride?" WTF is that. If I'm good at something, it's because I was lucky to not be born mentally or physically disabled, which allowed me to practice and get good.
>>2604017revolutionary defeatism: that thing that
totally works in the first world already established bourgeois democracies
>>2604010in good faith
with*
>>2603896> the West is bothered by Jolani???
trump loves him
>>2604024great, now I'm getting attacked by the "other" side of things.
ever notice how
anything you say on here gets construed in the most bad faith way possible? ever notice how, if you actually want to do things, you get called an opportunist or a treatlerite, but if you want to keep your principles, you're a moralist or a leftcom? There's no winning with you people! You're losers!
>>2604024Voting in Communism: That thing that TOTALLY works anywhere ever
>>2604027loomer is attacking him. my point is that even US-backed reactionaries eventually get overthrown and replaced with someone
even more reactionary. >>2604023Well you know what I mean. I don't mean pride in the literal sense necessarily. But the hard lean into "American" identity and culture some white people, even some non-white Americans do. It's gross and cringe AF.
>>2604028well yeah no shit it's a completely non-democratic, unmoderated dying imageboard with only 100 people at a time at best, the most of which are only here because they're mentally ill. Of course this place is shit-flinging.
>>2604031that's a very loaded and psychoanalytical question. you could ask the same thing about roman gladiators and shit.
>>2603979>the point the other anon is making is that you are obfuscating how capitalism/imperialism works if you deny unqual exchange is a way in which people in the US benefit from it<Finally, Marx’s model of unequal exchange shows that the economics of imperialism works through the transfer of value by the exploitation of the workers of the South by the capitalists of the South and then through the transfer of some of that surplus value appropriated to the capitalists of the North in international markets and internal global value chains. The workers of the North do not benefit in any way from this imperialist transfer.<To suggest, as some do, that the welfare state, pensions and national health services in the North were only possible because of the imperialist exploitation of the South is economic nonsense. After all, the great period of imperialist exploitation was in the neo-liberal period of globalization since the 1980s, when the welfare and wage gains of workers in the North were taken back. Globalisation of the late 20th century was a response to falling rates of profit in the North (as it was in the late 19th century). It is also a political insult against the class struggles made by Northern workers to achieve those gains in the first place. Both the workers of the South and the North are exploited by capital. It is capital that is the enemy of both.https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2019/11/14/hm2-the-economics-of-modern-imperialism/<The point here is that there are also workers in the imperialist ‘rich’ economies that are ‘super-exploited’ by this criterion. And in turn, there are many workers in the poor countries that are earning above their national poverty wage levels. <Look at the poverty wage levels for the G7 and BRIC economies that I calculated from World Bank sources. Based on the ratio of workers earning less than the poverty wage rate in their respective countries (as provided by the World Bank), I reckon that roughly 5-10% of G7 workers are being ‘super-exploited’, while in the BRICS it’s about 25-30%. But that still means that 70% of workers in the BRICS, while earning way less per day than G7 workers, are not earning below the value of their labour power on a national basis. Exploitation of workers in the Global South is huge, but super-exploitation as such is not the main cause.https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2024/04/23/further-thoughts-on-the-economics-of-imperialism/These articles are by Micheal Roberts btw, one of the leading Marxist theorists of unequal exchange.
>>2604028This creature you're talking to is a dedicated anti-communist who thinks we can just vote our way to salvation. It's arguments shouldn't be taken seriously.
>>2604010I had a kind of rough college experience. Beyond just some awkward identity-based courses (mandatory mind you) I also had family basically calling me daily to become an accountant, got newspaper clippings in the mail about how much accountants make, and from day 1 I was told “you’re going for an accounting degree” and I didn’t have much of a backbone to torch bridges with the rest of my family.
Thought about being a lawyer once or twice, but the downside to that is I don’t think I’d be able to tolerate the unsavory aspects of it.
>>2604040I think your tenure now as a grocery store employee may have allowed them time to adjust to the impact of their failed expectations lol
>>2604031No one is boxing community takes Jake Paul seriously. He's a meme
>>2604044I mean both my parents are grocers and my grandfather was just a manager of a sears.
Problem is a lot of people stupidly think that if you, for example, read The Count of Monte Cristo as a kid you’re just “smart” in some generic sense and so why can’t you get a masters in Mathematics?
That said maybe I’ll go back one day. Already got a Bachelor’s degree so imagine college would be a little more focused this time.
>>2604040You tolerate the unsavory aspects of being an anti-communist reactionary just fine.
>>2604050The most toxic tendency is the tendency to do nothing as the world literally burns.
>>2604031Takes some discipline and dedication to build up your body enough to be even a low end fighter. Not everyone has the motivation to do it, not even most rich people. And while rich people can cheat by not needing normal job, can pay personal trainers to organize everything and can easily get roids, they still need to actively exercise, practice and exert themselves.
>>2604047Fair enough. I just see you here posting, putting in the effort for fun, and wondering if you might be able to apply that in a place and cohort that actually matters lol. Obviously you can still just do CPUSA stuff, but maybe for you there's more to be done as far as actually applying your intellectual itch.
And I say this as someone who, myself, has finally decided at the age > 30 to finally go to college for sociology because I just can't fucking stop thinking about it all the time. Everything I do is just a distraction from thinking about communism lol.
But honestly, at least when I keep coming back here, you still post which makes this place that little bit less retarded.
>>2604053also much appreciation to Gay Nazi, sabocat when he actually posts, and a bit to chagos poster because he's funny.
>>2604053KKKollege is bourgeois and no one with a degree should be trusted. The fact that you can afford it means you are bourgeois by nature.
>>2604054Gay Nazi is one of the worst anti-Communists on here and sabocat literally joined the SS.
>>2604051Yes. That is my answer to that statement. I am the anon. Yes. That is all I will say. Yes.
>>2604056funny how the people you call anti-communists are the only people here able to form sentences or say anything of substance whatsoever
>>2604056>sabocat literally joined the SS.damn he must be like 98 like that motherfucker in Canada, Yaroslav Hunka.
>>2604034> you could ask the same thing about roman gladiators and shit.I kind of do tbh. The U.S. ruling class has an aesthetic love affair with Rome. It would make sense this is another way spirits of the past weight like a “nightmare on the brain of the living“.
>>2604009I don't think
anyone here has ever said "a revolt will be like a hot cocoa on a cold day in the core :)"
>>2604059Yes they have bourgeois educations which they use to lord over the rest of us by burying us in reaction. They say lots of words, but all of them mean the same thing "DO NOTHING, JUST VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS"
>>2604031>Do people in the U.S. respect fighters Fighters are universally respected regardless of economic structure from slave society, feudalism, capitalism, socialism,etc. It takes discipline to be a great fighter and it is hard to be able to do even if you are a natural talent
>like jake paul Jake Paul is a meme fighter known for knocking out washed MMA legends. If you want to light the kitchen on fire mention Jake Paul to someone who loves UFC
>>2604063I have never once told people to vote for the democrats.
>>2604066there you go using your bourgeois education to confuse him again. just like that lawyer lenin
>>2604048I work retail so dealing with completely fictitious accusations are pretty easy to tolerate by now.
>>2604053Thanks Anon, and good luck with college!
ok
>>2604031regardless of national origin ppl who glaze the pauls and tates of the world are complete fucking marks to the point of possible cognitive deficits. They'll go along with any scame including the ones you mentioned.
why are most fighters reactionary?
>>2603984Obviously dude. Obviously. It's meant to be a counter argument to "prole in country A's life must get worse for prole in country B's life to get better." not a counter argument to America being the most imperialist country on Earth.
>>2604077because they have brain damage, for starters
>>2604059>everyone who disagrees with me is anti-communist>also hates every communist they interact with and any communist they have slight theoretical differences withmany such cases
>>2604079For america it is the case.
>>2604072Your insane right wing party entirely denies class struggle and favors class collaboration. That is anti-communism, in fact, it is fascism, which is the apotheosis of anti-communism.
>>2604077>>2604080I mean Joe Rogan probably has a lot to do with this as well. At least on the western side of things.
>>2604081I don't interact with any Communists on here.
>>2604095Psychiatry is bourgeois
>>2604095umm you are making an appeal to bourgeois science or something
>>2604096lmfao called it 13 seconds late
Unironically if a person has watched all this stuff from this administration a person of any ideology should dislike it for a myraid of reasons. Anyone still shilling for trump I legit don't want to associate with at all cause how brain dead they are
>>2604077It is just that like
>>2604088 says and I would add Andrew Tate and Connor McGregor gives the image of that. Just throwing stuff, but it can also be that it comes across as reactionary especially in the West because of the New Lefts abhorrents to violent sports. You can see this in the reaction to combat sports or football.
>>2603688>>2603688>Also you’re dick riding us begging for us to do shit for you. Literally can’t think of anything more pathetic.You are pathetic. He is correct for expecting Communist Party to do things
>>2604077Because hurting people is an inherently reactionary position.
>>2604105It's also not simply an american thing. There are tons of ufc fighters from Brazil and I have not seen a single one be pro lula but I have seen plenty shill for bolsonaro. When bolsonaro came to Florida he even lived in Jose Aldo home who is a Brazilian fighter. This includes even lesbian fighters like Amanda nunes, she supports bolsonaro
>>2604096straight to
gulag in-patient
>>2604105>New Lefts abhorrents to violent sportsThe new left has been dead since the seventys. It probably has more to do with a lack of left influence in the west rather than any direct impact.
>>2604110I would add that Mike voting or supporting Trump comes from decades of friendship, not so much his political positions that contradict each other especially someone like Mike who has a soft spot for communism
>>2603657I am beginning to see why people say your party is fascist. I posted club because you said the clubs do things for venezuela last time i asked if cpusa does anything. I checked 2 clubs and they do nothing.
>Demand Progress is leading a campaign urging Americans to pressure Congress to support a Venezuela war powers resolution, which would restrict the White House from taking direct military action without congressional authorization.Cpusa made a tweet asking people to beg congress to pass a resolution. This is not actually doing anything. I provide you with respect so please relax. Is this the best evidence you can provide of CPUSA doing anything for venezuela?
>>2604117I was more thinking of its legacy as you are right it died in the 70s
>>2604126she got that trotsky face
>>2604107>too fat and too stupidNew way to dodge the draft for the war in Venezuela unlocked.
>>2604120Firstly it’s completely mischaracterizing demanding Congress pass a resolution to limit Trump’s war powers as begging. Secondly we aren’t exclaiming “that’s the only thing that can be done” but actually mobilizing huge mass protests against the war will be difficult until it gets in front of people’s
faces.
https://peoplesworld.org/article/trump-imposes-blockade-admits-venezuela-war-is-about-oil/
>The parallels between what’s happening now and the lead-up to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq—right down to the language used by administration officials to justify aggression—have been noted by many. The gigantic anti-war protests of that earlier era, however, do not yet have a contemporary equivalent.
>Lobbying Congress to pass a war powers resolution is a valuable step forward, but, as one famed opponent of imperialism said 120 years ago, “we must not stop halfway.”
>Stopping a war in Venezuela requires the widest possible mobilization—in the streets, on the phones, on social media, in workplace conversations—to pressure lawmakers and block Trump from launching another war on behalf of corporate monopoly and imperial domination.As it stands right now demanding Congress act against expanding the war is a step in the right direction. Mobilizing huge protests
at present can’t be conjured by the Communist Party alone. There needs to be equivalent sentiment among the public which, unfortunately, is bombarded by so many crises that chances are they’ll start focusing on Venezuela at best if Trump starts bombing their cities or they shoot some troops trying to interdict their ships.
>>2604095>Societal behavior disorderYeap I also have Liking-Food-Too-Salty-Disorder, Chilly-Under-21C-Disorder and Not-Really-Seeing-the-Point-in-Rare-Cooking-Unless-It's-fully-uncooked-Like-Tartare-Disorder. Oh and also, Pretending-To-Misshear-People-I-Dislike-Just-to-Make-Them-Repeat-Themselves disorder.
But I guess those are not
yet severe enough to give me neurodivergent virtue points or get me sectioned. Lucky me.
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Man suspected in shooting at Brown University has been found dead in New Hampshire storage facility, AP source says.
>>2604120Pressuring the legislature to make it harder to attack Venezuela is in fact doing something.
>>2604110After so many blows to the head, he kind of gets a pass on nonsense
>>2604095doesn't psychiatry of this kind sort of by default establish some sort of ideal "normal" personality that perfectly complies with all the maladies of society? how do you disentangle that from circumstantial socioeconomic conditions? where in the world might we find the totally healthy "normal personality"
>>2604141He's a horrible person anyway who raped women and beat them. He has said he deserved to go to prison as he did many other bad things to women to besides just that. I admire Mohammed Ali and several other boxers, not him.
>>2603633>Is CPUSA doing anythingtheyre requesting people to VOOT BLUE, the fuck they can do, they relinquished their power 70 years ago during Brodwer's tenure, you have to be stupid to be part of the CPUSA.
>>2604148I don't support the CPUSA's policy regarding presidential elections, but it's completely false to say that all they do is tell people to vote Democrat. They mainly do this for presidential elections, and they do so under the advice of foreign communist parties such as those of Cuba and China. Outside of that they run their own candidates, conduct direct action and extra-electoral agitation.
>>2604151>but it's completely false to say that all they do is tell people to vote Democratthe other thing they do is continue spreading lovestoneite revisionism, get obama alumnis into the board of their PRIVATE editorial company and keep a couple of glowies employed, terrific org.
>>2604139They want more aesthetic depictions of resistance. If you can rally people to stop, say, “Save the Children” from winning a school board election by voting against them that’s not as “cool” as doing some protest with six people.
>>2604154>>2604139Strange how when the CPRF engages in collaboration with the state it's just seen as pragmatism and you're an ultra if you expect them to do anything, but the CPUSA is expected to become suicide bombers at a moment's notice despite having a small fraction of the CPRF's power and influence because reasons, and not doing so is a sign that they're literally Nazis. Am I missing something here?
And before I get any snarky comments both the CPUSA and the CPRF maintain regular communication with each other and the later describes their relationship with the former as "fraternal". So who's in the wrong here?
>>2604169>having a small fraction of the CPRF's power and influence because reasonsprobably the crucial point is the exact thing you're handwaving, also strange comparison, russian campists are not usually taken seriously.
>>2604174I don't think it's really a fair comparison to treat the weakness of the CPUSA compared to the Russian communists as a failure of principles or competence. Russia is a far more favourable environment for organizing because much of the population has firsthand experience with the merits of socialism.
>>2604174>russian campists are not usually taken seriouslyYou're joking right? Russian campism is basically the dominant position on this website
>>2604176it's not a good comparison because CPUSA historically chose to be a collaborationist party at odds with the comintern until it became irrelevant
>>2604178Wtf are you talking about? Their "collaborationist" line was the line of the Comintern and later the advice given to them by the CPSU. The CPUSA also didn't become irrelevant until it was subject to decades of relentless repression after WW2.
>>2604177is this website taken seriously anywhere?
>>2604158
always have been
fiction does us a great disservice by making the bad guys look awesome
all IRL evil people are extremely lame
>>2603991I'm pointing out his unequally applied utilitarianism where killing is fine if it achieves the end of capitalism but lying is not.
Egoism is not being applied here.
>>2604134What if they just found some leftist framed him killed him so he cant defend himself, and pretended he did it
>>2604169There’s a “dumb guy Catholic” take I’ve heard that amounts to saying “We need a crusade” or “imagine if the pope called a crusade?” Crusade against what? Who? You know I think “well how about a crusade against poverty?” But that’s not what these guys want. What they want is some epic battle that’ll get them to die for their beliefs.
I think there’s a similar mindset in the circles of radical politics; left or right. People who can’t muster the discipline to vote once every 4 years want some supposed authority figure to command them into a war “but a good one.” It’s all about getting some cause that disrupts the ennui of daily life, not accomplishing anything.
>>2604189Folks are just addicted to the idea of an eschaton I suppose. Some final battle for the future of humanity and the universe that's totally going to happen soon. It's pretty much universal across ideologies. Obviously fascists basically live and breath it, but there's an element of it with communism and anarchism too. Liberalism alternates between "end of history" and doing the eschaton but like in a really lame way, like if we just VOOOT out the orange guy just one more time things will return back to the Obama days and people will stop complaining. It's a line of thinking too deeply ingrained in our collective psyches to get rid of, best we can do is utilize it to our advantage when we need to fight.
>>2604178The CPUSA’s history according to leftypol:
>Stalin: “Nooo! The American comrades aren’t listening to us! Stoooop!”Our actual history:
>Follow the party line so much we’re reduced to the depiction of just Moscow stooges.Literally Browder only came to power thanks to pressure from Moscow.
>>2604189>>2604196i think this is useless psychoanalysis speculation of big groups of people. nothing of the sort can be known for certain. and acting on such speculation is like acting on prophecies that came to you in dreams.
>>2604200Personally I don’t think we’re talking about big groups of people. Just pockets of angry individuals. You’ve got a guy on here too scared to hide a gun under his coat because it’s illegal screeching at people to blow up factories.
>>2604205the islamo-nazi alliance vs the zionist-evangelical alliance. who will win?
>>2604198IMO romanticizing revolution abroad has been a major pitfall. Developing the American consciousness is going to have to be understood in the base language of the American working class. Including our cultures fetishizing cultures abroad in the first place. Not sure it’s something unique to Americans how we commodify everything but we’re the best at it. All social transactions go down a bit more smoothly when you can grease it with some money.
>>2604203>I think there’s a similar mindset in the circles of radical politics;personally i think this is what you said. regardless you are trying to do remote psychoanalysis of multiple people. it useless contrapoints style analysis. trying to divine behavioral motives out of ancient greek poetry type shit. useless and misleading. indistinguishable from other such woo woo nonsense like The Secret and the shit JBP used to peddle.
>>2604204haha funny meme
>source?> my source is that i made it the fuck uplol!
>>2604205This and now saying Maduro is the REAL conservative shows the anti-Isrsel pipeline sends you either to whatever the fuck Tucker and MTG are turning into or straight up Nazi
>>2604139CPUSA, PSL, ACP, IWW, etc all play a role in pressure. We need to come together and acknowledge that we have more in common than we do opposite. Let us unite and see the forest from the trees. I believe our cause of socialism and taking down the bourgeois government can come once we see the vision.
>>2604210Unironically wondering if NazBol is gonna make a comeback if only through Fuentes and Tucker’s public statements.
>>2604139Except the CPUSA has no leverage so the Democrats can (and will) ignore them freely.
>>2604151>Outside of that they run their own candidates, conduct direct action and extra-electoral agitation.Outside of that they collaborate with the state, conduct pointless protests that accomplish nothing and "agitate" the people in a vague, non harmful way to vote for Democrats.
CPUSA doesn't want a revolution, it's that simple. They view it, at best, as something far off that might happen someday and at worst as a bad thing that would cause terrible damage to the American Volk. CPUSA wants to maintain the American state, to reform it of it's most self-destructive aspects and make it rule forever.
>>2604211None of those "Communist" parties want to take down the bourgeois government.
>>2604211I mean I personally have no problem with any of the groups mentioned, and I’ve seen some fondness for groups like FRSO within The Party. But something tells me a lot of the groups listed would have trouble working together if they even want to.
Shit I don’t even have much of an issue with Trots and Anarchists.
>>2604222If there's anything anarchists in this day and age do right it's supporting their people that have been sent to the clink.
>>2604224Like I said, I got no issue with them. In some hypothetical future socialist America I figure they should be given some autonomous zone to experiment in. The traditional idea of the 50 states as different laboratories for Democracy doesn’t sound too bad to me.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2028-election/erika-kirk-endorses-jd-vance-president-2028-turning-point-usa-rcna250004Erika Kirk, widow of assassinated Turning Point USA co-founder Charlie Kirk, endorsed Vice President JD Vance in the 2028 presidential election in a speech opening the group's America Fest annual conference Thursday night.
"We are going to get my husband’s friend JD Vance elected" in 2028, she told thousands of activists at the Phoenix Convention Center. The end of Kirk's statement was drowned out by cheers for the endorsement.
Lol I just read that the first black mayor of my city (who I already knew to be conservative) was married to a guy that runs a bail bonds business in what was then the hood)
The real ice cream on top was that the lib tried to make a big deal about the couple allegedly not wanting to pursue charges for a shooting at the bail bonds place.
>>2604198Ah Stalin… The thing everyone blames for all failures… Your wife left you because of the Moscow party line, because of STALIN
>>2604256You are a lying liberal. Stalin is dead for 70 years now. You are still irrelevant. But still, the big man is to blame.
>>2604257Objectively it was Moscow that recommended Browder to leadership of the CPUSA. You’ll claim we “broke with the Comintern” which is a complete falsification of history. This is because you don’t actually do material analysis but follow vibes and ideals.
>>2604263If the Comintern line of the 40s and 50s has doomed CPUSA for eternity and that is the reason for their total failure, what is the point of being a member of the CPUSA?
Why does Joe Sims just abolish the party, citing big bad Stalin's big stupid Comintern as a reason?
You folks use Browder, Stalin and Comintern as excuses for not doing anything. I guess since Browder happened 70 years ago, we'll just limit our 'communism' to canvass for the DNC, huh?
>>>2604268They run their own candidates at the local level which is the only realistic offices they can win
>look up the left in maldives
>215 votes last election
>socdems
He wants us to have something he doesnt
>>2604268>If the Comintern line of the 40s and 50s has doomed CPUSA for eternity and that is the reason for their total failure, what is the point of being a member of the CPUSA? Never said it “doomed us to eternity” I was rebutting the anon that said we “broke with the Comintern line”. My personal thoughts are we followed the Comintern line too closely and a lot of historical mistakes could’ve been avoided if we moved from just mindlessly following Moscow earlier.
>Why does Joe Sims just abolish the party, citing big bad Stalin's big stupid Comintern as a reason?The hate Joe gets is baffling. Theres no reason to abolish the party.
>You folks use Browder, Stalin and Comintern as excuses for not doing anything.You treat protests as “choosing not to do anything” when you fail the standards you try to apply to anyone else.
>I guess since Browder happened 70 years ago, we'll just limit our 'communism' to canvass for the DNC, huh?We meet people where they’re at. There’s dozens if not more of other parties out there yet curiously no amount of contempt for the Dems brought them to power.
>>2604273What part needs to be explained?
>>2604277Whats the cpusa relationship to the democrats ( aka demonrats)
>>2604278Where are you getting this information
>>2604282Hes admitting to all these things
>>2604285In previous threads
>>2603812Is this,parody
Idk at this point
>>2604277So the whole existence of the CPUSA is limited to protesting? Nothing more?
>>2603795How'd that go with AOC and the Squad, anon?
Happy birthday to Comrade Stalin
The Chagossian People remembers him
The Chagossian People honours him
☆☭ ☆
chagussy
>>2604268what party are you in, if any
>>2604300Maybe the chagossians could make contacts and common cause with the bikini islanders on other displaced populations
>>2603696"The fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug"
Lenin
>>2603992>No, you point to quotesNo, I post books, you cretin. It's on the record. You are arguing against like 5 ppl, you tard.
>>2603810well anon, how did you feel about this post?
>>2603829 >>2603896???
>The West is disturbed by Putin and Jolani>Literally two of Trump's associates >>2604020Marx and Engels later come to the conclusion that the English working class became so embourgeoified that they lost their revolutionary potential completely.
>>2604333>they lost their revolutionary potential completely.>completelyexaggerating a bit there
>>2603796We already have such masses during the BLM protests. And those masses dissipate into nothing because there are no organized political framework that can organize them as a voting block. You know like the DSA
Its so fucking tiring speaking with American leftists because nobody here has the capacity for self reflection. Nobody remembers BLM, much less Occupy Wall Stret
remember that the chinese communist party was only created during the warlord/civil war period, and not before. Hmm, makes ya think
>>2604339That doesn't mean the DSA's strategy is effective, THOUGH. I do wonder if there's going to be reindustrialization in the NATO countries. This could provide the necessary drive for an authentic working class socialist party that leverages labour instead of the vooting ritual
>>2604051Pseudo-praxis is way worse than doing nothing, delulu burger.
>>2604198>Follow the party lineThat party line's name?
Albert Einstein the Democratic party
All of you are faggots. I am the next true Lenin. It'll work this time, trust the plan.
call me a schizo but I think the only way a communist party can rise in the usa is if america collapses
>but we need a big party before hand to exploit it.
No, because thats impossible at this point. Realistically this wont happen. The only path american communists have is the chinese communist route
>>2604379>call me a schizo but I think the only way a communist party can rise in the usa is if america collapsesbuddy that's what iron felix says on here every single day
>>2604384well iron felix is a unlikable asshole and poser that needs to be shot but in this regard he is right. Only in this case
>>2604142It's about whether whatever mental condition you have, whether it's normal or not normal, has an unusually negative impact on your own life or the lives of others close to you. There is no ideal normal person and every person with a particular mental illness is different from others. You can even have multiple at once.
>>2604388THo the fundamental difference I have with felix is that he wants america to be fully destroyed and remain destroyed. (I think). i in the other hand believe that the communists need to appeal to national restoration and salvation. While at the same time denouncing the class enemies that caused america to collapse. And also at the same time appealing to the old traditions that can be reused and remade into something progressive. A sorta the communist revolution is the heirs of the american revolution, the second american revolution.
Collapse is a opprotunity for national rejevunation but under the communist party. There can no new america without the american communist party. A sorta communism with american characteristics
>>2604392>national restoration and salvationsmacks of the pulpit
>>2604126bro post this in the trot to neocon pipeline thread
>>2604397that is the point. For communism to succeed in america, sorelian style myths must be embraced. The american worker must feel like he is in a pseudo religious movement, one which compels and energizes them to save the nation and destroy national traitors. People arent appealed by regular stale economic rethoric. People are appealed by grand narratives, of the collective will of the people against the enemy. The people in this case being the american worker and the enemy being the national traitors (the bourgosie)
it will work, trust me. What will go wrong
>>2604105> the New Lefts abhorrents to violent sports. You can see this in the reaction to combat sports or football.because it gives people CTE and makes them go full chris benoit
>>2604401>sorelian style myths must be embraced. The american worker must feel like he is in a pseudo religious movement, one which compels and energizes them to save the nation and destroy national traitors.LARP LARP LARP LARP LARP LARP LARP
>>2604404THE LARP IS THE POINT
>>2604409People operate on feels instead of reals. My stratgy is to exploit the feels instead of reals.
It will work, trust me
>>2604339>I literally HAVE TO support the dems no matter what, there's literally no other option than to support the dems unconditionally forever Just kill yourself already my man, posting your retarded meme every day like there's 15 communist parties in the US lmfao
>>2604420>like there's 15 communist parties in the USthere's actually zero, but maybe if we make one more this one will be the real one
>>2604420>posting your retarded meme every daynow that I know how mad it makes you I'll post it even more.
>>2604409Only first-world treatlers need to differentiate between pizza cutter and knife.
Third world chads cut a pizza with a normal knife just fine.
>>2604336Americans get Amnesia very easily.
>>2604428pizza cutters are stupid and hard to clean. anyway, if you eat pizza, you are treatler. eat some fuckin rice and beans like a real prole.
>>2604422Cope
>>2604425If you think there's zero then you should make one, if you think there's already ones, you can join those. Just stop dickriding
>>2604426Lmao yeah that'll be super funny guy 😂
>>2604431>If you think there's zero then you should make onejust one more party bro
> if you think there's already ones, you can join those.but they're dickriders
> Just stop dickriding but i don't dickride. you just say i do because you make up shit nobody said
>>2604439If you're posting that dumb 15 parties meme, then you obviously think there's plenty of parties to choose from. That means you're either with PSL or some other non dickrider party or you are a dickrider. Which is it?
>>2604441>either with PSL or some other non dickrider partyfinally, I got someone on here to name what they believe is a non dickrider party
Is the PSL based or not?
What are the main differences between the PSL and the CPUSA?
What are the main differences between the PSL and the DSA?
Whatbare the main differences between the PSL and the ACP?
>>2604449He interacted with the guy at the rental car spot. He had posted about it.
>>2604442I couldn't decide on either:
Well, after X years Reddit finally did it.
So you're telling me the feds solved the murder?
new thread
>>2604438new thread
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>>2604438>>2604210>>2604212they're playing up a right wing that has a modicum of principles and standards because they have enough brain cells to realize that their privileged position requires a country stable enough to actually maintain that position, they realize that being a completely selfish, destructive schizo that lashes out at random isn't going to last very long.
>>2603358Christmas as an adult is about spending time and talking with people you like/love.
do you hate your parents or?
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