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Now don't get me wrong, I hate Zionists with a passion, but what was Hamas trying to achieve? From what I know, Oct. 7th was their attempt to stop normalization between the Arab states and Israel. But given the track record of Arab puppet rulers being such treacherous cunts, it's not a surprise that the vast majority of them responded either with covert or even overt collaboration with Israel.

On top of that, the supposedly "based" countries sat around and did nothing. Russia abandoned Syria while Turkey brought a Zionist puppet terrorist to power there. Iran dropped a singular ICBM barrage on Tel Aviv to save face, after repeatedly getting humiliated. China and Russia didn't use their veto either, while simultaneously trading with Israel and profiting off of the genocide. Overall, trade with Israel continued as usual, no coordinated attempt was taken by the rest of the world to sanction them like how Russia was sanctioned by the west for attacking Ukraine.

I feel like I was duped by the Pro-Russia/Pro-China/Multipolarist alt-media complex on Xitter and YouTube into thinking that it was only a matter of time before Israel lost all credibility and diplomatic support, and that Iran would go to war with them and nuke the shit out of them any day. I thought maybe Russia and China would use it as an opportunity to finally get back at westoids and coordinate to greatly diminish westoid influence by crippling Israel at a time of need. Maybe that was the calculation that went on in the heads of Hamas leaders, I don't know.

The only real ones who stuck their neck out to try and help the Palestinians were the Houthis, who themselves have been under constant bombardment by Soydi Arabia and Burgerreich. Truly the era of the blackest reaction.
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>>2616325
>Truly the era of the blackest reaction.
Indeed.
Right now, the US pirates Chinese oil tankers from Venezuela completely unpunished too.
It feels like Russian and Chinese leaders are also in the Epstein Files or something, which is why they bend over backwards to accommodate the US.

In all seriousness, the past year has shown that the US Empire is infact not declining. A dozen regimes in Southeast Asia and South America have been replaced with new puppets with no local resistance, with more to join next year. Europe has fully subjugated itself to US interests. Africa is being cut up… again.

Multipolarism is a fantasy. Everyone are traitors. Bourgeois solidarity for the US overruling any national interests. A true Axis of Resistance can only come from socialist alliance, which won't appear any time soon.

Shit's fucked…

>>2617098
What has the Chinese and Russian left done tho?

>>2617072
No multipolaroid will ever touch the true analysis

>>2617172
Class struggle trumps all of that

>>2616819
Based post

>>2617240
>Russian war on terror in Syria followed the same logic as the American one did in Iraq.
Fucking how?

>>2617232
>That's one important purpose of conspiracy theories like "Jolani is a Zionist puppet.
Jolani is objectively a Zionist puppet. Let's accept your thesis that it's all about sect and other kinds of idpol bullshit. Is it supposed to be Assad's fault that Jolani is ready to contradict his Islamist ideology in the most ridiculous ways and even change his own name just to please Israel? And going by your logic, why isn't Egypt for example anti-imperialist when it's Sunni-majority nation ruled by Sunnis? Why does it also have a small clique controlling the economy in a way that only benefits themselves?

What should Assad have done? Assad's Syria was objectively the most socialist state in the Middle East after Ghaddafi's fall and excluding the Gulf monarchies who are able to have extensive social programs because they are valuable assets of the US empire. Should he have given more space for Islamists when the pressure by Islamists was the vehicle for neoliberal reforms in the first place (in the 1990's he softened the secular aspects of the constitution AND opened up the economy)? Are going to deny again that the reason why his enemies didn't accept his offer to enact democratic reforms was because Assad refused to delete the articles pertaining to social rights and economic sovereignty from the constitution? And this is based on accepting your premise informed by Sunni Islamist propaganda that Syria is ruled by Alawites, which is not true, especially in the economic sense and that's precisely the reason why Assad was overthrown so easily.

Again, if I accept that it's all about identity, shouldn't I despise Sunnis who as Islamists act as the agents of the US empire everywhere outside of Palestine? If Ba'athism was the only progressive force in the Middle East, shouldn't have Ba'athists acted more brutally against every Islamist militant and would-be militant, along with their entire family? But here we a care about socialism and national sovereignty and that's why we supported Assad, with all his faults.

It's not like we pro-Assad Western leftists are the ones responsible for Arabs choosing to support pro-imperialist movements or otherwise staying silent while suffering blows from imperialism when our support has no weight and therefore can't cause Arabs to feel that we are imposing a solution to their problems that is foreign to them, which wouldn't be true either way because Soviet support only made Ba'athism stronger and now it's all retarded golem Islamists in the Middle East.

Sunni Islamism is not just about identity. It's the ideology of reactionary tribal leaders and it's specifically designed to weaken and destroy Middle Eastern countries seeking sovereignty. Their doctrine about how nation-states are haram shares a striking similarity to your Trotskyite delusions about some kind of vague revolution in the Middle East while condemning Actually Existing Anti-Imperialism, even suggesting that the ""revolution"" should strike against them first.

In the end, Syria fell because it was destroyed by war and sanctions, which in turn happened because they were an obstacle to the aims of US imperialism and because the US likes to destroy a country from time to time to serve as a warning to others. It just took a little bit more time than in Libya or Iraq.

Egypt turned into a comprador state and a total shithole mostly peacefully and today their leader goes on diabolical rants on live TV talking about how people shouldn't complain about being poor because, get this, he is going to kill them if they try to overthrow him. Of course the Western leftist (you) who knows how to oppose imperialism much better than the Arabs themselves doesn't spend much time talking about a country like this. Assad/AoR fans are also guilty of this, but at least we uphold concrete manifestations of anti-imperialism.

>>2617317
It was actually Russia who is the primary ally of the Gulf monarchies which funded Al-Queda and ISIS and the one country that posesses the single global reserve currency and therefore has a vested interest in controlling the global trade of strategic natural resources like oil 😀

>>2617330
10/10 sarcasm.

>>2617317
Except that Russia actually destroyed ISIS once they entered the conflict.
Unlike America which destroyed a country (Iraq) which had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

>>2617330
>>2617406
Russia actually encouraged Jihadis from the Caucasus to go to Syria, they used it as an opportunity to rid their own territory of them.

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>>2617406
>Russia actually destroyed ISIS
they're still kicking it, extremely weak, but they're still there, and probably will make a comeback precisely because there isn't any stable governance in the region

>>2617419
Russia essentially strat bombed cities which is useless when it comes to destroying anything but innocent civilians, Rojava was much more effective against ISIS because they had boots on the ground. Also the US basically created ISIS in the first place by destroying Iraq and making a whole bunch of skilled politicos and military personal unemployed and radicalized

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https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/30/rpun-d30.html
Trump and Netanyahu pledge Middle East bloodbath will continue in 2026
>US President Donald Trump threatened to “knock the hell out of” Iran and warned there would be “hell to pay” in Gaza, while reiterating his calls for ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian population.

>>2617321
>Is it supposed to be Assad's fault that Jolani is ready to contradict his Islamist ideology in the most ridiculous ways and even change his own name just to please Israel?
I don't… think so? I don't think these statements follow each other.

>And going by your logic, why isn't Egypt for example anti-imperialist when it's Sunni-majority nation ruled by Sunnis? Why does it also have a small clique controlling the economy in a way that only benefits themselves?

It's interesting you bring that up though because Egypt is effectively run by the military which ousted the Muslim Brotherhood after a revolution (of sorts) that happened at the same time as the one in Syria began. In Egypt you're looking at a victorious counter-revolution.

>What should Assad have done?

Hell if I know.

>Again, if I accept that it's all about identity, shouldn't I despise Sunnis who as Islamists act as the agents of the US empire everywhere outside of Palestine?

No I don't think you should despise Sunnis.

>If Ba'athism was the only progressive force in the Middle East, shouldn't have Ba'athists acted more brutally against every Islamist militant and would-be militant, along with their entire family?

No I wouldn't have recommended that. I mean how more brutal could they have acted anyways?

>Sunni Islamism is not just about identity. It's the ideology of reactionary tribal leaders and it's specifically designed to weaken and destroy Middle Eastern countries seeking sovereignty.

Eh, there are different kinds of Islam, not just tribal leaders although that's one version. Actually think an element in play in Syria is a kind of "business Islam" that you see with the Turkish AKP and in the Gulf. That's why the new government there is talking up free markets and integrating into the global economy. That's not really tribal, it's more bourgeois.

>Their doctrine about how nation-states are haram shares a striking similarity to your Trotskyite delusions about some kind of vague revolution in the Middle East

I'm not sure the rulers of Syria are against the nation-state in theory? Like, ISIS is, yeah. But that's a really extreme group and not the same thing. Like instead of that you're seeing "Islamism in one country" or "jihad at home." Or Syrian Islamic nationalism. I don't think this stuff about it just being the U.S./Israel in disguise is convincing though, like the U.S. can back them up but ultimately HTS emerged from within this society, as I see it. You know the Taliban sees HTS as a rather fraternal sort of group.

>Egypt turned into a comprador state and a total shithole mostly peacefully and today their leader goes on diabolical rants on live TV talking about how people shouldn't complain about being poor because, get this, he is going to kill them if they try to overthrow him.

Yup, 100%.

>Assad/AoR fans are also guilty of this, but at least we uphold concrete manifestations of anti-imperialism.

For you it sounds like it essentially comes down to geopolitical alignment. I think that's the main point of difference between us. But problem is, it doesn't really matter what either of us think in terms of how events actually play out which comes down to domestic political economy and state legitimacy, and while the geopolitics might shape outcomes, it's not determinative. The U.S. armed Syrian rebels but Russia and Iran backed up Assad and failed at their job. Just couldn't do it. I'm also supposed to believe in this Axistard theory of the world that the U.S. is in decline and can't succeed at this but apparently it did! But actually the U.S. has failed in many countries backing up some regime that imploded, but that's because the U.S. can't make a society stay loyal to Washington all by themselves if that society doesn't want to be.

IT’S OGRE

>>2618764
As if Iranians need the Mossad to tell them to overthrow their pedo islamocuck regime lmao

>>2618764
>please do our job for us bro pls

The collapse of the Iranian regime would be the single biggest victory in the recent history of the middle eastern proletariat



>>2618928
because it's an islamic neoliberal shithole that kills workers in the whole region

>>>>2619052
No the Iranian government should stay in power until America and Britain have both been destroyed because Mossadegh was a genuine reformer who only got couped because he wanted to nationalize the oil and everything that happened afterwards is a direct result of the West setting up the secret police to help kill and torture the Shah's liberal and socialist opposition for decades until the only major oppositon grouping left to oppose him were the religious crazies. If you disagree with this statement you are in direct violation of YHWH's pronouncements on justice.

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>>2618926
The only thing that can replace the Islamic regime if such a collapse happens are the Pahlavists, who are no friends of the workers.

Just like the only ones who could replace Kaddafi were Islamist warlords

Just like the only one who could replace Assad were Islamists

Etc etc

When will man learn

If there's a coup in Iran all it would lead to is some pro western government. Very progressive indeed.

>Allahu akbaaaarr

>>2619185
>If there's a coup in Iran all it would lead to is some pro western government.
Why?

>>2618926
>The collapse of the Iranian regime would be the single biggest victory in the recent history of the middle eastern proletariat
I would say the collapse of the Arab monarchies would be bigger. But they are close.

>>2619240
because the CIA is the only agency that actually do that in the real world and nobody willing to ever kick their shit in with their own spies.
even the coups made by russian mercenaries in Africa have ended up normalizing relationship with the US

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>>2619337
>because the CIA is the only agency that actually do that in the real world
No lmao

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## The strategic tinderbox: imperialism and the fragmentation of the Middle East

The Middle East today is not a “regional problem” but a focal point of intensifying imperialist competition and capitalist crisis. The United States seeks to maintain domination of energy routes and block rivals from strategic influence; Israel pursues expansion and settler-colonial security; the Gulf monarchies, above all Saudi Arabia, try to secure their ruling order and economic privileges; Türkiye asserts neo‑Ottoman regional ambitions; Iran projects influence through militias and state power; Russia and China pursue their own geostrategic and commercial interests; and a host of non‑state forces—Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, Islamist militias, Kurdish forces—act as both local rulers and imperialist proxies. This complex of rival interests and proxy networks produces a political geography in which local clashes can rapidly escalate into wider conflagration. The US drive for regional domination, discussed in our analysis of Syria and the SDF’s role as a Washington proxy ([SDF–HTS agreement and US strategy](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/19/rwge-d19.html)), is a central detonator of instability.

## How this can lead to a world war

- Multipolar competition: The erosion of a post‑war equilibrium creates conditions in which the major powers—US, Russia, China—compete for influence through military deployments, arms sales, and alliances. The US has repeatedly reinforced its military posture in the region to confront rivals and secure resources ([US troop deployments and arms sales](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/05/25/midd-m25.html)).
- Proxy chains and escalation ladders: Local actors (Hezbollah, Hamas, Iranian proxy militias, Syrian jihadi formations, Türkiye’s interventions, Israeli offensives, Saudi operations, Houthi strikes) are tied into broader state strategies. A strike on one actor can trigger retaliation, drawing patrons into direct confrontation.
- Nuclear and conventional risks: Israel’s regional actions, US military presence, Iranian deterrence and the possibility of miscalculation (attacks on bases, shipping, energy infrastructure) could rapidly broaden the war. Once great‑power forces are entangled, the danger of global war—and with it the threat of nuclear catastrophe—becomes acute.
- Economic pressures and fascist outcomes: War amplifies capitalist crisis—debt, inflation, social austerity—and the ruling classes at home will press for authoritarian measures, increasing the chance that inter‑imperialist rivalry will be settled by force rather than diplomacy.

## Class forces and their material interests

The ruling classes across the region and the imperialist powers share an interest in preserving capital accumulation—access to markets, resources, cheap labour and strategic corridors. Bourgeois regimes (Gulf monarchies, Erdoğan’s Turkey, Israel’s settler‑colonial elite, Iran’s clerical‑bourgeois axis, Syria’s client elites) compete over influence while repressing the working class at home. Non‑state actors, including Islamist and sectarian militias, are vehicles for regional bourgeoisies and imperialist policies or for narrow nationalist elites; they cannot emancipate workers or end imperialist domination. The Kurdish national bourgeoisies (e.g., SDF leadership) have been shown to subordinate working‑class interests to imperialist patrons ([Kurdish nationalism’s bankruptcy](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/19/rwge-d19.html)). Trade unions and pseudo‑left currents often act to channel working‑class discontent into nationalist or reformist dead ends.

## How the working class can stop the drive to war

The decisive force that can end imperialist war is the international working class. The only way to halt the slide to world war is the political mobilization of workers on an international program that breaks with bourgeois parties, the unions’ collaboration, and all forms of bourgeois nationalism.

- Political independence and mass councils: Workers must form rank‑and‑file committees and councils, independent of the corporatist unions and bourgeois states, to coordinate strikes, occupations and anti‑war mobilizations across borders. The SEP and the ICFI have championed the formation of such organizations, including the International Workers Alliance of Rank‑and‑File Committees (IWA‑RFC), as instruments to unify struggles internationally.
- Turn imperialist war into civil and class struggle: As Lenin and Trotsky taught, the war crisis must be converted into class struggle. Workers should refuse mobilization for imperialist armies, demand the expropriation of the arms industry and workers’ control of transport, ports and energy infrastructure to prevent their use for war. This is the transitional program that radicalizes broad layers of the working class and youth.
- Socialist federation of the Middle East: Only a socialist re‑organization—through workers’ power and the abolition of capitalist property—is capable of ending sectarian divisions, guaranteeing rights and unifying the region on a democratic and economic basis. The SEP advances a program for a United Socialist States of the Middle East, a federation founded on working‑class internationalism and socialist planning ([SEP’s program and principles](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/12/bwfi-s12.html)). Such a federation would dissolve client regimes, disarm militias under democratic workers’ control, and place resources and planning in the hands of the working majority.

## International implications and the world party

The victory of workers in the Middle East requires and would trigger solidarity struggles by workers in the US, Europe, Russia, China and beyond. Global working‑class mobilization can block the imperialist classes from pursuing war and can provide the political and material support necessary for workers’ power to succeed. The development of socialist consciousness and international organization is therefore central—the launch of tools like Socialism AI is a tactical advance in educating and mobilizing workers internationally ([Socialism AI launch](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/12/gpid-d12.html)).

## Practical call to action

Workers in the Middle East and allied workers worldwide must reject bourgeois nationalism and imperialist patronage. They must build independent rank‑and‑file organizations, link struggles across borders, and fight for workers’ power as the only viable anti‑war strategy. Join your national SEP section to build international working‑class opposition: https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/sep/us/join.html

Only the international working class, united on a socialist program and under revolutionary leadership, can prevent the region—and the world—from being dragged into a catastrophe of imperialist war and build a democratic, socialist federation of the Middle East.

>>2618926
Die ziorussian saboteur

>>2620458
>Houthis are le imperialist because, because they ARE
Kek

>>2617033
You mean the 20% 48er Palestinian minority there? Because the settler yids are either bourgeois or lumpen scum living off US/Euro gibs

>>2620461
they are wholesome freedom fighters just like in my 70s mujahdeen hollywood sloprino


>>2620462
>Because the settler yids are either bourgeois or lumpen scum living off US/Euro gibs
Falsifier cope doesn't disprove the thesis that Israeli workers are the only ones who can end the genocide. Not saying it is easy tho.

Look, there was plenty of evidence that Trump's negotiations weren't to be trusted, but you can't fix stupid. Given that this stupidity occurs with even a major nuclear superpower like Russia, I guess Hamas is in good company.

>>2620497
At most only 10% of Israeli Jews are proletarian.
This is not the 1920s anymore, Left-anticommunist.

>>2620511
>At most only 10% of Israeli Jews are proletarian.
No lmao. Moralist and retard.

>>2620516
Settlers can't and will never be proletarian

>>2617033
>Israeli workers are the only ones who can stop the genocide. It being difficult doesn't mean it isn't true.
"ja mein völkisch kamerad only the the nazi german wörkers can stop ze holokaust very sad ja even when difficult it is ze truth" jump off a cliff my uygha

>>2620531
Yes they can. Colonialism isn't a greater concept than capitalism.
>>2620539
>Summoning the great alibi that justified the continuation of the same system that produced the holocaust.
Yeah thank god Stalin did his national liberation thing and made Israel. Hail Sakai.

>>2616770
tf? are you aware that your country is and always has been heavily pro israel on account of the Indian governments anti-muslim discrimination and its rivalry with pakistan?

>>2617232
>Assad's cronies and his family controlled virtually all major businesses
it's true that Alawis and Christians were major supporters and members of the Syrian government, but Assad's government also was packed with sunnis from top to bottom. It's easy to represent it as an ethnic supremacy but it's just the nature of family patronage and kinship is that alawis were easier to put into the government. Plenty of alawis also weren't benefitting from the assad's rule directly except for the secularist and enforcement of nonsectarian rule, while many sunnis were part of the Assad's network of cronyism.

Has Hamas released any statement on the Iran protests happening right now?

>>2622213
Yeah, they support Iranian workers who are getting fucked over by their cucked regime.


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