/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The Palestine Movement is over. At this point it’s far more likely a million Gazans will be forcefully relocated than Palestine be decolonized.

Leftists keep shooting them selves in the foot by thinking Israel will collapse under the weight of its own internal contradictions and the Palestinians will rise up and seize back their country with the 7 million Israeli Jews fleeing. The chances of that happening are smaller than ever given the Palestinian resistance has been nearly obliterated.

I'm going to treat this like it's not concern trolling, which I probably shouldn't do.

I'll start with one basic point, and it is a point which should have been apparent to absolutely everyone right from the beginning:
Hamas governs a walled-in ghetto, which is extremely isolated, and where conditions have been desperate since even before the start of the blockade nearly 20 years ago. Al-Aqsa Flood was planned from within this area, and it's unlikely that Hamas's outside political wing knew any more about it than the Israelis or Egyptians - in fact, it's possible that they knew less about it. Al Qassam's decision was made under the conditions which they knew and could observe. Anyone on the outside who wants to assist in attaining liberation has the responsibility to pursue that using their own knowledge of outside conditions, knowledge which the Gaza branch of Hamas does not have. That's it. That was your job, and you are late. If you want to do your job, then do it. If you sympathize with the ghetto uprising, then give actual, material support, take action.

Now, for some other points:
>Russia abandoned Syria while Turkey
Russia is actually bogged down in Ukraine (despite what Russia's cheerleaders might sometimes try to claim), and Turkiye was never "based," Turkiye is in NATO.

>Iran dropped a singular ICBM barrage on Tel Aviv to save face,
There actually were multiple barrages in three separate events over the span of about a year, every one of them was a direct response to zionist attacks on Iran. The last one destroyed the IOF ministry of defense, Haifa oil refineries, Unit 8200 HQ, etc., and it didn't end until the US bombed Iran in order to allow the Israelis to stop without admitting defeat. War with Iran is about to flare up again.

>China and Russia didn't use their veto either, while simultaneously trading with Israel and profiting off of the genocide.
True.

>I feel like I was duped by the Pro-Russia/Pro-China/Multipolarist alt-media complex on Xitter and YouTube into thinking that it was only a matter of time before Israel lost all credibility and diplomatic support, and that Iran would go to war with them and nuke the shit out of them any day.
Yes, if you thought that was going to happen any day now, you were duped.
That stuff is cheerleading. There are commentators within that sphere who are a bit more level-headed and can make accurate observations, but there are also guys like Danny Haiphong who are extremely sensationalist and put out a lot of stuff which makes it looks like this is all about to come to a positive end, which… honestly, please just use your brain. If you're sincere, that's my advice to you, take this stuff with a grain of salt and don't cede your responsibilities to others just because you see posts acting like the war will be won in a day or two. Think about this stuff materially.

"Israel" is draining the entire TNT supply of Europe just to drop bombs on the heads of kids in Gaza, their main supplier is across the ocean in the US. The richest countries on Earth are stabbing their own people in the back in order to pour more money and resources into this genocide. That means that if you live in any of these countries, you have work to do, not cheerleading. Those factories are things you can access far easier than anyone in the regional resistance can - those finances are things you can interrupt through sabotage. If what's going on bothers you, then you already know what you need to be doing, you don't need to listen to anyone who tells you that you need to be doing less or that a positive outcome is simply assured, nor do you need to puzzle endlessly over the mindsets of people whose conditions and access to outside information are way, way worse than yours are.

>Maybe that was the calculation that went on in the heads of Hamas leaders, I don't know.
It wasn't, no. Don't ask me how I know.

>The only real ones who stuck their neck out to try and help the Palestinians were the Houthis
The only nation who stuck their neck out - Ansar Allah is the de facto government of Yemen. Hezbollah absolutely stuck their neck out for Palestine, Hezbollah just doesn't have the level of institutional power in Lebanon that Ansar Allah does in Yemen. What you see in Yemen is the solidarity of a nation which has lived under siege conditions like those of Gaza, whereas there is a part of Lebanon which is considerably more bourgeois, factional, and corrupt or the Lebanese state would have acted with the same level of solidarity as Yemen did. Instead, Hezbollah suffered heavy losses militarily and then had to contend politically with a Lebanese state which prefers to let the IOF bomb the Lebanese Army over allowing the military to defend Lebanese soil.

>>2616377
This is just concern trolling, not giving this one anything.

>>2616436
two more firework shows

>>2616325
>I feel like I was duped by the Pro-Russia/Pro-China/Multipolarist alt-media complex on Xitter and YouTube into thinking that it was only a matter of time before Israel lost all credibility and diplomatic support, and that Iran would go to war with them and nuke the shit out of them any day. I thought maybe Russia and China would use it as an opportunity to finally get back at westoids and coordinate to greatly diminish westoid influence by crippling Israel at a time of need. Maybe that was the calculation that went on in the heads of Hamas leaders, I don't know.

Sorry all multiliberalism can offer is metaphysical support.

Perhaps you're looking for the real movement that ABOLISHES the PRESENT state of things

>>2616440
Ok, you do better then.

>>2616446
Palestine was liberated in 1991 when Saddam made a banger fireworks show in Tel Aviv

I love symbolic bullshit that prolongs the status quo <3 anyway gotta sign my 59th ceasefire w Israel :3

>>2616447
oh btw Iran was fueling the Israeli death machine with its oil at the time

just lesser evilism things

>>2616429
They will, the ultra othodox lumpen will destroy Israel from within, they will never contribute to the economy and it costs the army too much to protect them when they try to invade Ramallah

Every other state that has committed genocide didn’t last much longer, the Ottoman Empire, Nazi Germany, Hutu power in Rwanda, Estado Novo in both Portugal and Indonesia, Israel won’t be different, the Americans will pretend to have opposed it all along

I remember the deprogram guys making an ISRAEL IS COLLAPSING video like two years ago, basically compiling a bunch of irrelevant factoids and a lot of people bought it. People constantly bring up the idea that Israel will want to annex Jordan and Sinai ANY SECOND NOW for Greater Israel and force Egypt and Jordan to oppose Zionism because they're hooked up on some silly idea that a just cause is bound to win.

>>2616450
Wishful thinking. And even if your fantasy is true, there’s zero reason to believe the Palestinians will all rise up and take their lands back.

>>2616446
Iran will run out of water before they get another chance to attack Israel.

>>2616460
>deprogram guys
The program strongest soldiers

>>2616325
>Russia abandoned Syria while Turkey brought a Zionist puppet terrorist to power there.
Russia cut their losses yeah but I don't think that's an accurate description of Jolani although other anons disagree. The Israelis really don't appear to like the Turks or Qataris. They like the UAE.

>Iran dropped a singular ICBM barrage on Tel Aviv to save face
Well they wanted to save face but they were IRBMs and there was more than one barrage. There were repeated barrages and they packed a lot of firepower. Those missiles were real, it wasn't nothing, but Israel can eat that.

>I feel like I was duped by the Pro-Russia/Pro-China/Multipolarist alt-media complex on Xitter and YouTube into thinking that it was only a matter of time before Israel lost all credibility and diplomatic support, and that Iran would go to war with them and nuke the shit out of them any day. I thought maybe Russia and China would…
Eh, yeah. But that's what you wanted to see happen, right? But Xitter discourse rewards what people want to see happen because that can be emotionally satisfying so you're more likely to go back. It's built into the platform logic. Or it can give people a feeling like they're in control of what's going on when they're really not. Like a lot of this ideology whether it's religion or the "science" of dialectical materialism (in its dogmatic form) that people think can provide certainty turns out to be of no use at all when shit happens. But shit happens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

>>2616325
consider this:
there are 2 million arabs in israel and in two years of watching israel kill some 600k people in gaza they did fuck all.

no sabotage, no spying, no leaks, no strikes, not even some good ol' libshit protest. all they did was a shooting during one of the iranian barrages and that's it.

there was no intifada either in the west bank despite israel treating them like shit.

>>2616546
Yes. The Palestine Movement is over. There is zero chance of a new intifada anytime soon.

>>2616436
>I'm going to treat this like it's not concern trolling, which I probably shouldn't do.
Hundreds of thousands are dead and Israel is nowhere close to being weakened, despite the evidence for their crimes being livestreamed directly to people's social media feeds. Some serious re-evaluation is necessary.

In my country Israelis still come to vacation after committing war crimes and have set up towns and cafés that are no-go zones for the natives. The ruling party's thugs will call for jailing and even lynching you for criticising them. It's the world's single largest shithole and even a heccin' based and multipolarist BRICS member. Guess which one it is.

The situation is similar in the rest of the world. The vast majority of people still don't dislike Israel. Rightoids of all stripes love them, in fact. They regularly call for using the Gaza model on their own minorities.

>Al-Aqsa Flood was planned from within this area, and it's unlikely that Hamas's outside political wing knew any more about it than the Israelis or Egyptians - in fact, it's possible that they knew less about it.
This is cope because it shows a lack of communication and trust between the leaders living in Gaza and the ones living in Qatar, probably. Which is understandable, but still. And Gaza does have internet, it's not like they don't have access to the most up-to-date information. They should've known that very few will come to support them, at least in a meaningful way.

>and Turkiye was never "based," Turkiye is in NATO.
Never claimed it was. Sorry for not clarifying.

>The last one destroyed the IOF ministry of defense, Haifa oil refineries, Unit 8200 HQ, etc., and it didn't end until the US bombed Iran
It damaged those buildings, but I highly doubt it was significant. It's not like they stopped operating entirely, which is pretty evident. And the US bombed Yemen too, did they cuck out like Iran did?

>"Israel" is draining the entire TNT supply of Europe just to drop bombs on the heads of kids in Gaza, their main supplier is across the ocean in the US.
Which would be significant if any state actor decided to step up and actually take the fight to them. It hasn't happened yet and I highly doubt it will anytime soon.

>The richest countries on Earth are stabbing their own people in the back in order to pour more money and resources into this genocide.
The "people" aren't being backstabbed. They wholeheartedly support this shit. Including the Arabs.

>Hezbollah absolutely stuck their neck out for Palestine
True, I forgot to mention. But they were crippled due to Assad being ousted.

>>2616546
Israeli Palestinians are still Israelis. I imagine most of them are like Nas Daily or something.

This thread glows like the sun. Cope and seethe Shitraelis. Your military sucks, your economy sucks, and your grasp over US media, public opinion, and politics is slipping.

>>2616454
>Every other state that has committed genocide didn’t last much longer,
This is cope. There are way too many counterexamples.

>>2616450
>the ultra othodox lumpen will destroy Israel from within
Except Isrsel doesn't need to care about its economy because they're being bankrolled by Burgroids and Krauts.

>>2616448
Iran's attitude to this whole situation seems very wishy-washy. It almost feels like they want to signal to westoids that they aren't a threat so that the westoids in turn stop funding Pro-Shah larpers to bring regime change.

>>2616764
Please be serious for a moment. Do you really think Fatmericans have turned against Israel? Even the so-called Pro-Palestine leftists are ok with cheering for Zionists like Hakeem Jeffries, Brad Lander and Ro Khanna. I'm talking about Zohran and his supporters like Hasan. They're also ok with war criminals like Graham Platner. Think for a second before calling me a Zionist.

>>2616756
>and even a heccin' based and multipolarist BRICS member.
india?

>>2616769
Ding ding ding!

>>2616764
repeat your mantra over and over again. I am sure it will become reality.

>>2616768
b-b-b-but anon the Electronic Intifada was decisively won by General Kayleigh and Admiral Mickayla !!!!! Have you seen these TikTok's, hawt damn! Consider that!!!

guys here's how hamas can still win!

>>2616756
>and Israel is nowhere close to being weakened,
B-b-but I was told Israel was going to cease to exist in five years because their society is so internally chaotic!

>>2616759
Can't blame them considering the complete mess that is the Palestinian leadership.
You like at the last 70 years, and you see a bunch of erratic fools who cannot commit to one clear strategy. Worse, with Hamas, they are willing to use you and your facility as sacrificial offerings just to prevent a rapprochement between Saudi and Israel (which will happen anyway in 3-5 years imo).

Seriously, why not just fuck off to Israel, get a little job, manage your little salary and stay alive?!

>>2616776
b-b-b-but the ultras assured me that the Israel 'working class' will rise up!

>>2616377
It failed because, quite frankly, not a single person can point to what a "victory" is for Palestine, and how western activists can help achieve this victory through a real, tangible gameplan. It's all sloganeering and symbolic politics.

ITT: postmortem for Gaza I guess?

So is there anything we can actually do or is it over.

>>2616778
>Worse, with Hamas, they are willing to use you and your facility as sacrificial offerings just to prevent a rapprochement between Saudi and Israel (which will happen anyway in 3-5 years imo).
Seriously. Why did Hamas think Saudi Arabia of all is a reliable and principled state actor? I still don't understand.

>>2616786
Being a theocratic bourgeois nationalist instead of a secular proletarian internationalist will do that to you

>>2616786
Ummah and shiiieeet

>>2616781
This.
Just yell FEOM THW RIVER TO THE SEA and call it a day
Nothing on how, where, when, who etc

>>2616784
It is over and I am left with a hole in my heart and a deeply misanthropic feeling. I have also lost all respect for most of my friends and family because of their Zionist beliefs. I just hope historical punsihment that is coming for everyone is quick and decisive.

>>2616447
>Palestine was liberated in 1991 when Saddam made a banger fireworks show in Tel Aviv
Who said Palestine was liberated during the recent exchanges?

Also, calling even Iraq's strikes against "Israel" in the '90s "symbolic" is just really inaccurate. Saddam Hussein's policy towards "Israel" was an essential part of why the neocons were so dead set on killing him and subjugating Iraq. If all you want to do is be a cheerleader then all this stuff is either "liberation" or "fireworks," but that's a really infantile dichotomy to apply to military engagements. Grow up and start pulling your weight instead of being upset that you don't get to just be an internet cheerleader forever. Boo fucking hoo, Iran didn't one-shot "Israel," this isn't Avengers.

>>2616448
In the '90s or now?
Iran doesn't, at this date, sell oil to "Israel."

>>2616450
1. No they won't.
2. The ultra-orthodox who avoid conscription are generally different from the orthodox settler militia types as far as I'm aware. The former think "Israel" as a state is a heresy, the former think "Israel" as a state is their religious right.
3. "Israel" would genuinely be better off as a state if there were more Haredim who refused military service and only studied the Torah all day. The actions of the IOF and state-armed settlers are the primary thing which endangers the settler public. As others have pointed out, this is all bankrolled by the US and Europe, so it doesn't even matter very much that they're not working regular jobs.

>>2616454
>Every other state that has committed genocide didn’t last much longer, the Ottoman Empire
Defeated in WWI.
>Nazi Germany,
Defeated in WWII.
>Hutu power in Rwanda,
Not that powerful, defeated in war.
>Estado Novo in both Portugal and Indonesia
Overturned in a coup (after decades), and leader resigned after decades in power respectively.

Conditions are not presently in favor of this ending on a positive note. What we are looking at right now is actually a result of over a century of planning, and there is nothing set up to stop what is currently in motion. What that means is that you need to stop with these comforting little assurances and start working on destroying the machines which are enabling this. There is not currently a credible threat to this, those who fight in solidarity are not powerful enough. The world is in the grip of global capitalism, and even those few strong states which could challenge U.S./zionist hegemony and do not explicitly endorse global zionist Fascism are too invested in capitalism to actually do what is necessary to oppose it. There are no heroes coming to save you, it's up to us, and if that scares you get over it.

>>2616460
When "Israel" starts annexing Jordan and Egypt, El-Sisi and the Hashemite King will let them do it.

>>2616793
What does a "victory" in Palestine look like to you?

What do western activists need to do in order to achieve that victory?

>>2616784
This question should have been asked on October 8th, 2023.

I don’t think we can exactly take down a bunch of bomb making factories without a proper resistance movement to do so but is there anything we can at least donate to that can actually help?

>>2616797
Just donate to the humanitarian relief funds.

>>2616759
i mean why not? it's either get raped or just pay your taxes to israel

>>2616799
Honestly a one state system that treats the people somewhat close to equally is probably the best outcome we’re gonna get here. All I can really do is pray, protest and donate. I just hope one day weather Palestine is free or not, the killing and slaughter and hatred will stop.

>>2616800
the closest that'd realistically happen without an incredibly unlikely event is that the israeli state is forced to accept the arabs as equal citizens upon annexation of the west bank and gaza

>>2616475
Nope. It already rained in Iran. Keep up, slowpoke!

>>2616525
>The Israelis really don't appear to like the Turks or Qataris.
They don't, but it's not because either of them are credible threats. People forget that zionists hate fucking everybody, they're supremacists and even the slightest bit of autonomy pisses them off. Jolani is their puppet, and they hate him, but the way they humiliate him has even more to do with their hatred for Syrians in general.

>>2616546
>no sabotage, no spying, no leaks, no strikes, not even some good ol' libshit protest. all they did was a shooting during one of the iranian barrages and that's it.
Wildly inaccurate - there were protests, leaks, spying, and there were multiple small-scale attacks. Even the Israeli Jews have done some spying for the other side, even if it's very little. I'm not saying either was a great deal of stuff, but it was considerably more than what you're describing.

>>2616756
>The vast majority of people still don't dislike Israel.
Every poll that's been conducted on this says otherwise.

>This is cope because it shows a lack of communication and trust between the leaders living in Gaza and the ones living in Qatar, probably.
Not a lack of trust, they have to operate with a great deal of secrecy and without just phoning people or emailing them and telling them what's up. The amount of surveillance, digital and otherwise, against Gaza is insane.

>And Gaza does have internet, it's not like they don't have access to the most up-to-date information. They should've known that very few will come to support them, at least in a meaningful way.
Oh yeah, ok, where would they go to figure this out? Twitter? Facebook? Leftypol?

They were making decisions under duress, even if they could have definitively determined this (which I frankly doubt), they had reason to be biased in favor of accelerating their actions because they lived in circumstances of total subjugation. See the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Warsaw Uprising for a comparison. It's not on the people in the concentration camps to decide whether or not we help them, it's on us.

>Never claimed it was. Sorry for not clarifying.
Sorry for misreading ya!

>It damaged those buildings, but I highly doubt it was significant.
I think it was significant, but not decisive. Obviously.

>And the US bombed Yemen too, did they cuck out like Iran did?
Yemen's situation is different, but this is still a fair point. I don't see Iran not wanting war as being a fault; Iran's behavior is predictable. Yemen essentially has no choice but war, they are a nation under siege whose outlook is defined by this, and their internal politics reflect an understanding that avoiding solidarity will not benefit them. The Iranian public, especially younger generations, didn't really understand that the US does not want to negotiate with them until the imposed 12 day war. I don't think that what Iran's leadership is doing is unwise, except that they should absolutely get nukes.

>The "people" aren't being backstabbed. They wholeheartedly support this shit. Including the Arabs.
Nah.
Every poll says otherwise.

>True, I forgot to mention. But they were crippled due to Assad being ousted.
Eh, the hits they took and the political situation in Lebanon were bigger factors imo (Dahiyeh Doctrine worked this time), but Assad getting coup'd was also a major one.

>>2616808
Keep chasing chimeras, lil hedgehog.

>>2616794
The same thing a victory looks like for me.

No more US public funds for "Israel." No more free shit for "Israel." No more wars for "Israel." No more Mark Zuckerbergs or Elon Musks or Larry Ellisons censoring us for "Israel." No more state funds buying "Israeli" war bonds. No more banks ripping us off and then giving Elbit gigantic loans.

When college students protest against "Israeli" genocide, the SWAT team doesn't show up and brutalize them and their professors. No more AIPAC. No more Adelson. No more Palantir.

When you go through the list of myriad comparatively small, but still heinous injustices levelled against Americans, the thefts performed to pay for Zionism while Americans go homeless or unemployed, you start to get a picture of what you actually need to be doing if you're in the USA.

The arms factories are here. Wreck them. It's as simple as it sounds. Scope them out, and wreck them. First figure out where the closest arms factories or offices are, figure out the layout, and wreck them. No spraypaint until you do actual damage. Figure out the roads around the places, and if you're hesitant to attack the buildings themselves, damage the roads and make transporting the weapons difficult.

Tanks travel by railroad. I've seen the lines of tanks on a railroad downtown here years ago. If you see the same, wreck it, or tell somebody who wants to wreck it.

The financiers' banks operate everywhere. Wreck them. Take as little effort as possible to do this, and do the most damage you can.

That's it. Start from the beginning (arm), and continue to do the rest. If you haven't done that yet, do that, and don't stop the process. Shit is not going to stop getting worse, but you can get better equipped to fight it, and continuing to do this will make any organized effort you participate in stronger.

>>2616797
>I don’t think we can exactly take down a bunch of bomb making factories without a proper resistance movement
1. You can, actually.
2. A proper resistance movement starts as a few people. If there isn't that yet, then this is your cue to start resisting.

>>2616819
>When you go through the list of myriad comparatively small, but still heinous injustices levelled against Americans, the thefts performed to pay for Zionism while Americans go homeless or unemployed, you start to get a picture of what you actually need to be doing if you're in the USA.
To add; get rid of this shit, and Zionism's primary financial support is gone. That should be obvious.

>>2616808
>Every poll says otherwise.
Doesn't mean shit, unfortunately.

First of all, it's a common thing for westoids to condemn their actions after they're done looting and destroying a nation. It has happened many times already. They support crackdowns on protestors and pretend to have opposed said crackdowns only after the fact, when they have been mildly inconvenienced by their positions or they have grown so unpopular that not doing so would be horrible optics.

And as a rule of thumb, don't look at what people say, look at what they do. Even though wesoids may have a negative view of Israel, they're ok with dupporting whatever Zionist politician is thrown their way as long as that politician pretends to support their very narrow, self-serving policy positions. This goes for both left and right anti-Zionists. So what use are such opinion polls anyway?

>>2616824
What you propose is not feasible, sadly. People will not rise up against the military-industrial-surveillance complex because they either work for it or their retirement funds are invested in it. You also talk about wrecking weapons manufacturers facilities, which is a pipe dream without mass support.

all Russia ever did was try to create a Putinist Reich and try to control the world

>>2616825
>Doesn't mean shit, unfortunately.
It means your statement is wrong.

>First of all, it's a common thing for westoids to condemn their actions after they're done looting and destroying a nation.
"Westoid" states aren't done, and the actions of western governments are already incredibly unpopular.

>They support crackdowns on protestors
No they don't.

>Even though wesoids may have a negative view of Israel, they're ok with dupporting whatever Zionist politician is thrown their way as long as that politician pretends to support their very narrow, self-serving policy positions.
They unironically are just stupid, and this still isn't entirely true. The problem you're identifying here is a constant, which is that most people are not paying full attention because they are busy working or stuffing their faces, so the repulsion they feel at zionism is not necessarily backed by a full understanding of exactly who is or isn't a legitimate opponent to zionism. The problem isn't even just that the zionist establishment exploits this, it's that existing anti-imperial orgs have largely avoided pushing people to action. We don't actually need all the people to be puritans who know every single thing they need to boycott, and condemn all the bad politicians, we need a portion of the whole who are ready to do more than march in circles to not be restrained waiting for existing orgs to move.

>>2616826
>What you propose is not feasible
It is feasible, and not doing it is what is increasingly unfeasible.

>People I will not rise up against the military-industrial-surveillance complex
Fixed that for you.
Are you a person or are you some other thing?
Don't say what ""people"" will do. You speak for yourself.

>You also talk about wrecking weapons manufacturers facilities, which is a pipe dream without mass support.
It's already been done in the US in at least one case. The problem isn't that it's impossible, the problem is that this is rookie numbers. Public sympathy is with it, and the same goes for the UK. Stop making

>>2616832
>the actions of western governments are already incredibly unpopular.
Yet the vast majority of westerners still fall in line to support them every single time. How does that work?

>Don't say what ""people"" will do. You speak for yourself.
Smh. If you haven't noticed the westoid pattern of behaviour I don't know what to do.

>They unironically are just stupid
They're not. Quit buying this excuse or you will keep getting duped over and over again.

>It's already been done in the US in at least one case.
Need I say more? Nazi Germany had more internal resistance than America and Israel.

>>2616843
>Yet the vast majority of westerners still fall in line to support them every single time. How does that work?
If by this you mean that they go to work and pay taxes and don't actively spontaneously do things to combat the existing governments, then yes, I agree. The majority of every society follows whatever the path of least resistance is, even revolutionary societies. In these conditions, it's not productive to worry about the majority who criticize the status quo, but who go no further than that out of concern for their personal wellbeing. Anyone willing to go further must be concerned foremost with their own willingness to do so and with working with others who are equally willing. An absolute majority is not even needed in order to govern a society, let alone to just do sabotage.

>If you haven't noticed the westoid pattern of behaviour I don't know what to do.
I've noticed the pattern of behavior of whiny do-nothing "radicals" on the internet who hide their own impotence behind vacuous whinging about "westoids" or "femoids" or "leftoids." Woe is thee, special little enlightened child who is better and smarter than everybody else and therefore doomed to never actually do anything of value.

>They're not.
They are.

>Quit buying this excuse or you will keep getting duped over and over again.
Nobody is duping me. The average person is not an expert on this, and setting that as the bar they need to jump is just not very smart. You're prioritizing being based over actually getting anything done. You work with who you can work with and that's it; the DNC is willing to exploit the general public's lack of attention to detail, the DNC doesn't care what they believe or if they hate the DNC's real programme. Our enemies are ruthless, and they use their resources on ruthless consolidation of power, they lie about who they are for a reason. We don't even have to lie, anti-Zionism is the popular position Zionists now pretend to hold, but some of you wouldn't even be willing to lie even if it wasn't, even if it necessary to beat the powers-that-be.

>Need I say more? Nazi Germany had more internal resistance than America and Israel.
Than "Israel" especially, there's been more sabotage in the US than in "Israel," but not enough.
Also, this isn't an argument. Thousands were arrested at demonstrations in the US. Millions have demonstrated. I don't particularly care about all this "oh, but there was more internal resistance in Nazi Germany!" stuff, the problem is directing energy constructively and utilizing existing anti-Zionism, not whether or not we have the same level of resistance today as a different historical Fascist state. I could compare the present-day US unfavorably with even the US of 80 years ago, that says fuck-all except that the necessary action is all the more necessary.

>>2616863
>I've noticed the pattern of behavior of whiny do-nothing "radicals" on the internet who hide their own impotence behind vacuous whinging about "westoids" or "femoids" or "leftoids."
Says the guy who calls for wrecking arms manufacturer facilities even though there has been just one minor incident of that actually happening. Such projection. In fact, it is perfectly in line with how westoids have always behaved. Just look at what they have done during every single one of their genocides. They're more likely to wreck anti-genocide protests at the behest of weapons manufacturers.

>>2616863
How many factories have YOU bombed?

>>2616879
>Says the guy who calls for wrecking arms manufacturer facilities even though there has been just one minor incident
Wrong.

There've been multiple incidents in the US alone. In the UK there have been more. The incident I specifically referred to when I said at least one had occurred in the US was a particular incident in which the factory closed as a result of the sabotage. It was not the only incident. I have never claimed to be impressed by these numbers, they need to be higher, but you still don't even have your facts straight.

Also, there not being many great successes is cause for more work, not less. It takes a completely unserious person to see an inadequate movement and use that as justification to do nothing.

>a bunch of hyperbole about "westoids"
Still vacuous whinging and nothing more.

>>2616886
All of the offices registered to munitions companies in my area have been abandoned; I only know because I have been to them. The public directories weren't up to date for them when I went. One building is derelict and boarded up, and isn't even in use by anybody, another has had the "defense" contractors vacate relatively recently. Of course, I'll tell you immediately when I've ventured further and found the closest one that's still operating.

What's the actual numbers on arms in the Israeli stockpile and their origin? Would they not as a modern industrial state be quite capable of replacing any American or EU supplied arms with indigenous (as in made in Israel, not indigenous as in implying Zionists are natives) manufacturing/arms production even in the highly unrealistic case that they were completely cut off from arms supply by USA and EU? I'm for some reason not convinced that stopping arms shipments from USA and EU, even if it were to somehow be done, would make a significant difference in Israel's capability of continuing to crush Gaza, smash south Lebanon, and keep the Arabs down in general.

>>2616325
>but what was Hamas trying to achieve?
My guess is international support for their cause. They had to pick between slow or fast genocide and decided that latter was better for their goals. But then again irrationality/feelings/islamism is a simpler explanation.

>>2616946
Yeah, Hamas is fucked. Yahya Sinwar was really fucking cool when he fought till his death though.

>>2616830
Russia won ngl

>>2616916
>Would they not as a modern industrial state
Here's the kicker: they aren't.
They are entirely dependent on handouts.
Even was stuff they do make is generally either US-funded or is US/European tech.

It also takes a long time to produce the munitions they burn through, even with the US doing it for them for free. "Israel's" missile defense stockpile was largely depleted within 12 days, they're relying on US stockpiles in addition to newly made US bombs.

The US and Europe are also much, much bigger industrial bases than "Israel," and no one is going to be their main supplier for free if the US stops doing it. The US and Europe also handle military intelligence, satellite targeting, and the US pays off corrupt Arab leaders like El-Sisi to comply with "Israel's" dictates for Egyptian borders. The US, on "Israel's" behalf has bombed Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, and that's just in the past two years.

During the exchanges with Iran, the US and European countries were directly responsible for the largest amount of missile interceptions.

I'll also point out that the premise of your question is nonsense. We aren't living in a hypothetical scenario where "Israel" doesn't get billions of dollars in bottomless free advanced weaponry every year. We're living in the reality where "Israel" used 80 bunker buster bombs in a single run and destroyed 6 apartment blocks in Beirut in their ""assassination"" mission against Nasrallah. They get them for free, and that's why they used more in that single raid than the US, which makes (and pays for) them has used in entire wars. There is no serious good faith argument to be made that having bottomless free shit isn't the central part of their advantage.

>>2616904
So you wrecked zero factories yourself.

>>2616429
>nationalists coping
Israeli workers are the only ones who can stop the genocide. It being difficult doesn't mean it isn't true.

>>2616972
So far ITT about half of the responses to me have been
>you don't understand, it's HOPELESS, fellow Marxists! Only being a whiny do-nothing is valuable! People simply don't care!
and
>have you personally committed a federal crime?

I was right when I said:
<I'm going to treat this like it's not concern trolling, which I probably shouldn't do.
Ciao.

>>2616764
Yep.

>>2616962
>>2616916
US yearly aid to Israel is $3.8 billion. Israel's GDP is $610 billion (IMF).

>>2617060
0.6% of your GDP is much bigger than what you think.

>>2617060
But they don't have enough money to put a roof over our head or to give us food. Curious. Fuck them Israelis. I don't like them. Even if they weren't stealing our money I wouldn't like them. They are no bueno. I want nothing to do with them.

It seems that in the Middle East nation state system, the strong (in this case, Israel) do as they will while the weak (Gaza, south Lebanon, Syria etc) suffer as they must. The answer, seemingly, is then to follow not the war-map but the map of the class struggle (Trotsky). So the working class in Israel, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria etc. must all unite across religious, ethnic and national boundaries to forge a socialist federation of the Middle East

>>2617072
the hard to accept, but true statement that was needed and is undeniable

>I feel like I was duped by the Pro-Russia/Pro-China/Multipolarist alt-media complex on Xitter and YouTube into thinking that it was only a matter of time before Israel lost all credibility and diplomatic support
This is a particularly pathetic attempt to redirect blame away from the western left who failed to eliminate western support for two genocide attempts, because Russia’s ability to oppose western-backed Fascists on their own border should have extended to opposing western-backed Zionists elsewhere. It’s pretty obvious to see what the common denominator is there.

>>2617112
It’s retarded to see people analyse Russia’s progress against the Banderite regime from both political wings and think that has ANY bearing on Israel-Palestine

Most of the western left completely surrendered to the idea that arming unironic fascists in Ukraine was acceptable, to then pikachu face that arming zionists committing an open genocide was also acceptable to the masses and then point the finger at the few who did not surrender to “arming Nazis can be justified” as though it’s their fault is patently absurd.

>>2616793
I'm Arab living in the region, it's servile people like you who hang on to the status quo and use retarded populist cope to obscure class relations is why Palestinian workers (I give less fuck about their ruling class) have been occupied for a century.

We already did this song and dance, back then it was Arab nationalism that justifies the prevailing order, today it is Islamism. Just as it was proper for Nasser to declare victory following his failed imperialist venture for his regime survived so was the case for Iran's pathetic axis that spent its history bending over to the west and mass slaughtering workers for multinational capital.

Death to umah. Long live world revolution. Our enemy is at home.

>>2617035
You are the dog and the roomba is the "well why havent you bombed any factories yourself?" question lmao

>>2616546
One Arab Israeli got jailed for posting "the eyes cry for Gaza" on social media. Not sure why you're expecting protests let alone sabotage. Israel isn't a free country unless you're jewish.

>>2617155
>Israel isn't a free country unless you're jewish
That's antisemitic. AntiZionist Jews get jailed in Israel for similar offenses. Jews don't live in a free country in Israel, they live in a capitalist country where the dictates of capital (ensuring the smooth operation of capitalism's war(s) ) reign supreme and any who resist it, whether they are Arab or Jew, are subject to arrest.

>>2617160
>That's antisemitic
שקט יא בן זונה

>>2617160
retardchaim

>>2616808
>Jolani is their puppet, and they hate him, but the way they humiliate him has even more to do with their hatred for Syrians in general.
I think a lot of the anti-imperialist community which supported Assad has gotten into a copehole about this to paper over what was, fundamentally, internally weak regime to begin with. (That's one important purpose of conspiracy theories like "Jolani is a Zionist puppet.") Syria came into existence in the early 20th century while under the influence of colonialism (like Iraq and Lebanon), and while the Alawite-dominated Syrian state adopted anti-colonial nationalism, the French specifically recruited Alawites and Christians when they were the authorities there so the regime in fact inherited that pattern, and they didn't share a common identity with much of their own population. This eventually led to a civil war where the side representing the majority (Sunni Arabs) won, whatever you think of their ideology. That's historical fact now.

The Jews in Israel by comparison have operated since the late 1940s within a more durable nation-state framework. They are occupying a conquered people with no rights, but the state distributes services to its own citizens (the core Jewish group) and allows them to participate. They have a citizen army that's tied to a national project. Getting bankrolled by Americans and Germans certainly helps, but the U.S. has bankrolled a lot of failed governments, but Israel is still around because the Jews are numerous enough and also consider Israel to be "their" state in which they're stakeholders in that system.

What I'm emphatically not saying is "Israel = good" or "Syria = bad." It's just that the Arab world and Middle Eastern states can't mount much of a challenge to Israel if they're going to be ruled by mafia families that make every effort to make life miserable for EVERYONE under their control. Assad's cronies and his family controlled virtually all major businesses while the people had to get by on $20 a month while being threatened by aerial bombardment by their own government if they try to change that.

There was a Syrian Marxist named Sadiq J. Al-Azm who wrote some interesting things, but he didn't live to see the fall of Assad. I don't think I'd like to live under the Islamists much either but you have to remember that the more secular nad progressive people were killed off by Assad. Ideologically, the victors in the Syrian civil war have more in common with Hamas than Hamas did with Assad. But what a lot of the left does is play this game at the level of geopolitics, their first priority wasn't Syria or the people in revolt there.

>>2617160
Jewish nigger

>>2617233
>sunnis=retards
islamocuck spotted

>>2617233
Well you're just helping my argument. The left after the Cold War ran into a gutter because they regressed to to more primitive campist loyalties. It's actually an identity-based form of alignment even if it pretends not to be one. It's certainly not social analysis. Also in reality the Russian war on terror in Syria followed the same logic as the American one did in Iraq.

>>2617240
>the left after the cold war
And what was the'Left' like during the cold war?

>>2616325
>Truly the era of the blackest reaction.
Indeed.
Right now, the US pirates Chinese oil tankers from Venezuela completely unpunished too.
It feels like Russian and Chinese leaders are also in the Epstein Files or something, which is why they bend over backwards to accommodate the US.

In all seriousness, the past year has shown that the US Empire is infact not declining. A dozen regimes in Southeast Asia and South America have been replaced with new puppets with no local resistance, with more to join next year. Europe has fully subjugated itself to US interests. Africa is being cut up… again.

Multipolarism is a fantasy. Everyone are traitors. Bourgeois solidarity for the US overruling any national interests. A true Axis of Resistance can only come from socialist alliance, which won't appear any time soon.

Shit's fucked…

>>2617098
What has the Chinese and Russian left done tho?

>>2617072
No multipolaroid will ever touch the true analysis

>>2617172
Class struggle trumps all of that

>>2616819
Based post

>>2617240
>Russian war on terror in Syria followed the same logic as the American one did in Iraq.
Fucking how?

>>2617232
>That's one important purpose of conspiracy theories like "Jolani is a Zionist puppet.
Jolani is objectively a Zionist puppet. Let's accept your thesis that it's all about sect and other kinds of idpol bullshit. Is it supposed to be Assad's fault that Jolani is ready to contradict his Islamist ideology in the most ridiculous ways and even change his own name just to please Israel? And going by your logic, why isn't Egypt for example anti-imperialist when it's Sunni-majority nation ruled by Sunnis? Why does it also have a small clique controlling the economy in a way that only benefits themselves?

What should Assad have done? Assad's Syria was objectively the most socialist state in the Middle East after Ghaddafi's fall and excluding the Gulf monarchies who are able to have extensive social programs because they are valuable assets of the US empire. Should he have given more space for Islamists when the pressure by Islamists was the vehicle for neoliberal reforms in the first place (in the 1990's he softened the secular aspects of the constitution AND opened up the economy)? Are going to deny again that the reason why his enemies didn't accept his offer to enact democratic reforms was because Assad refused to delete the articles pertaining to social rights and economic sovereignty from the constitution? And this is based on accepting your premise informed by Sunni Islamist propaganda that Syria is ruled by Alawites, which is not true, especially in the economic sense and that's precisely the reason why Assad was overthrown so easily.

Again, if I accept that it's all about identity, shouldn't I despise Sunnis who as Islamists act as the agents of the US empire everywhere outside of Palestine? If Ba'athism was the only progressive force in the Middle East, shouldn't have Ba'athists acted more brutally against every Islamist militant and would-be militant, along with their entire family? But here we a care about socialism and national sovereignty and that's why we supported Assad, with all his faults.

It's not like we pro-Assad Western leftists are the ones responsible for Arabs choosing to support pro-imperialist movements or otherwise staying silent while suffering blows from imperialism when our support has no weight and therefore can't cause Arabs to feel that we are imposing a solution to their problems that is foreign to them, which wouldn't be true either way because Soviet support only made Ba'athism stronger and now it's all retarded golem Islamists in the Middle East.

Sunni Islamism is not just about identity. It's the ideology of reactionary tribal leaders and it's specifically designed to weaken and destroy Middle Eastern countries seeking sovereignty. Their doctrine about how nation-states are haram shares a striking similarity to your Trotskyite delusions about some kind of vague revolution in the Middle East while condemning Actually Existing Anti-Imperialism, even suggesting that the ""revolution"" should strike against them first.

In the end, Syria fell because it was destroyed by war and sanctions, which in turn happened because they were an obstacle to the aims of US imperialism and because the US likes to destroy a country from time to time to serve as a warning to others. It just took a little bit more time than in Libya or Iraq.

Egypt turned into a comprador state and a total shithole mostly peacefully and today their leader goes on diabolical rants on live TV talking about how people shouldn't complain about being poor because, get this, he is going to kill them if they try to overthrow him. Of course the Western leftist (you) who knows how to oppose imperialism much better than the Arabs themselves doesn't spend much time talking about a country like this. Assad/AoR fans are also guilty of this, but at least we uphold concrete manifestations of anti-imperialism.

>>2617317
It was actually Russia who is the primary ally of the Gulf monarchies which funded Al-Queda and ISIS and the one country that posesses the single global reserve currency and therefore has a vested interest in controlling the global trade of strategic natural resources like oil 😀

>>2617317
Except that Russia actually destroyed ISIS once they entered the conflict.
Unlike America which destroyed a country (Iraq) which had nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

>>2617330
>>2617406
Russia actually encouraged Jihadis from the Caucasus to go to Syria, they used it as an opportunity to rid their own territory of them.

>>2617406
>Russia actually destroyed ISIS
they're still kicking it, extremely weak, but they're still there, and probably will make a comeback precisely because there isn't any stable governance in the region

>>2617419
Russia essentially strat bombed cities which is useless when it comes to destroying anything but innocent civilians, Rojava was much more effective against ISIS because they had boots on the ground. Also the US basically created ISIS in the first place by destroying Iraq and making a whole bunch of skilled politicos and military personal unemployed and radicalized

>>2617321
>Is it supposed to be Assad's fault that Jolani is ready to contradict his Islamist ideology in the most ridiculous ways and even change his own name just to please Israel?
I don't… think so? I don't think these statements follow each other.

>And going by your logic, why isn't Egypt for example anti-imperialist when it's Sunni-majority nation ruled by Sunnis? Why does it also have a small clique controlling the economy in a way that only benefits themselves?
It's interesting you bring that up though because Egypt is effectively run by the military which ousted the Muslim Brotherhood after a revolution (of sorts) that happened at the same time as the one in Syria began. In Egypt you're looking at a victorious counter-revolution.

>What should Assad have done?
Hell if I know.

>Again, if I accept that it's all about identity, shouldn't I despise Sunnis who as Islamists act as the agents of the US empire everywhere outside of Palestine?
No I don't think you should despise Sunnis.

>If Ba'athism was the only progressive force in the Middle East, shouldn't have Ba'athists acted more brutally against every Islamist militant and would-be militant, along with their entire family?
No I wouldn't have recommended that. I mean how more brutal could they have acted anyways?

>Sunni Islamism is not just about identity. It's the ideology of reactionary tribal leaders and it's specifically designed to weaken and destroy Middle Eastern countries seeking sovereignty.
Eh, there are different kinds of Islam, not just tribal leaders although that's one version. Actually think an element in play in Syria is a kind of "business Islam" that you see with the Turkish AKP and in the Gulf. That's why the new government there is talking up free markets and integrating into the global economy. That's not really tribal, it's more bourgeois.

>Their doctrine about how nation-states are haram shares a striking similarity to your Trotskyite delusions about some kind of vague revolution in the Middle East
I'm not sure the rulers of Syria are against the nation-state in theory? Like, ISIS is, yeah. But that's a really extreme group and not the same thing. Like instead of that you're seeing "Islamism in one country" or "jihad at home." Or Syrian Islamic nationalism. I don't think this stuff about it just being the U.S./Israel in disguise is convincing though, like the U.S. can back them up but ultimately HTS emerged from within this society, as I see it. You know the Taliban sees HTS as a rather fraternal sort of group.

>Egypt turned into a comprador state and a total shithole mostly peacefully and today their leader goes on diabolical rants on live TV talking about how people shouldn't complain about being poor because, get this, he is going to kill them if they try to overthrow him.
Yup, 100%.

>Assad/AoR fans are also guilty of this, but at least we uphold concrete manifestations of anti-imperialism.
For you it sounds like it essentially comes down to geopolitical alignment. I think that's the main point of difference between us. But problem is, it doesn't really matter what either of us think in terms of how events actually play out which comes down to domestic political economy and state legitimacy, and while the geopolitics might shape outcomes, it's not determinative. The U.S. armed Syrian rebels but Russia and Iran backed up Assad and failed at their job. Just couldn't do it. I'm also supposed to believe in this Axistard theory of the world that the U.S. is in decline and can't succeed at this but apparently it did! But actually the U.S. has failed in many countries backing up some regime that imploded, but that's because the U.S. can't make a society stay loyal to Washington all by themselves if that society doesn't want to be.

IT’S OGRE

>>2618764
As if Iranians need the Mossad to tell them to overthrow their pedo islamocuck regime lmao

The collapse of the Iranian regime would be the single biggest victory in the recent history of the middle eastern proletariat

>>2618926
Why?

>>2618928
because it's an islamic neoliberal shithole that kills workers in the whole region

>>>>2619052
No the Iranian government should stay in power until America and Britain have both been destroyed because Mossadegh was a genuine reformer who only got couped because he wanted to nationalize the oil and everything that happened afterwards is a direct result of the West setting up the secret police to help kill and torture the Shah's liberal and socialist opposition for decades until the only major oppositon grouping left to oppose him were the religious crazies. If you disagree with this statement you are in direct violation of YHWH's pronouncements on justice.

>>2619110
nah

>>2618926
The only thing that can replace the Islamic regime if such a collapse happens are the Pahlavists, who are no friends of the workers.

Just like the only ones who could replace Kaddafi were Islamist warlords

Just like the only one who could replace Assad were Islamists

Etc etc

When will man learn

If there's a coup in Iran all it would lead to is some pro western government. Very progressive indeed.

>>2619185
>If there's a coup in Iran all it would lead to is some pro western government.
Why?

>>2618926
>The collapse of the Iranian regime would be the single biggest victory in the recent history of the middle eastern proletariat
I would say the collapse of the Arab monarchies would be bigger. But they are close.

>>2619240
because the CIA is the only agency that actually do that in the real world and nobody willing to ever kick their shit in with their own spies.
even the coups made by russian mercenaries in Africa have ended up normalizing relationship with the US

>>2619337
>because the CIA is the only agency that actually do that in the real world
No lmao

## The strategic tinderbox: imperialism and the fragmentation of the Middle East

The Middle East today is not a “regional problem” but a focal point of intensifying imperialist competition and capitalist crisis. The United States seeks to maintain domination of energy routes and block rivals from strategic influence; Israel pursues expansion and settler-colonial security; the Gulf monarchies, above all Saudi Arabia, try to secure their ruling order and economic privileges; Türkiye asserts neo‑Ottoman regional ambitions; Iran projects influence through militias and state power; Russia and China pursue their own geostrategic and commercial interests; and a host of non‑state forces—Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, Islamist militias, Kurdish forces—act as both local rulers and imperialist proxies. This complex of rival interests and proxy networks produces a political geography in which local clashes can rapidly escalate into wider conflagration. The US drive for regional domination, discussed in our analysis of Syria and the SDF’s role as a Washington proxy ([SDF–HTS agreement and US strategy](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/19/rwge-d19.html)), is a central detonator of instability.

## How this can lead to a world war

- Multipolar competition: The erosion of a post‑war equilibrium creates conditions in which the major powers—US, Russia, China—compete for influence through military deployments, arms sales, and alliances. The US has repeatedly reinforced its military posture in the region to confront rivals and secure resources ([US troop deployments and arms sales](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/05/25/midd-m25.html)).
- Proxy chains and escalation ladders: Local actors (Hezbollah, Hamas, Iranian proxy militias, Syrian jihadi formations, Türkiye’s interventions, Israeli offensives, Saudi operations, Houthi strikes) are tied into broader state strategies. A strike on one actor can trigger retaliation, drawing patrons into direct confrontation.
- Nuclear and conventional risks: Israel’s regional actions, US military presence, Iranian deterrence and the possibility of miscalculation (attacks on bases, shipping, energy infrastructure) could rapidly broaden the war. Once great‑power forces are entangled, the danger of global war—and with it the threat of nuclear catastrophe—becomes acute.
- Economic pressures and fascist outcomes: War amplifies capitalist crisis—debt, inflation, social austerity—and the ruling classes at home will press for authoritarian measures, increasing the chance that inter‑imperialist rivalry will be settled by force rather than diplomacy.

## Class forces and their material interests

The ruling classes across the region and the imperialist powers share an interest in preserving capital accumulation—access to markets, resources, cheap labour and strategic corridors. Bourgeois regimes (Gulf monarchies, Erdoğan’s Turkey, Israel’s settler‑colonial elite, Iran’s clerical‑bourgeois axis, Syria’s client elites) compete over influence while repressing the working class at home. Non‑state actors, including Islamist and sectarian militias, are vehicles for regional bourgeoisies and imperialist policies or for narrow nationalist elites; they cannot emancipate workers or end imperialist domination. The Kurdish national bourgeoisies (e.g., SDF leadership) have been shown to subordinate working‑class interests to imperialist patrons ([Kurdish nationalism’s bankruptcy](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/19/rwge-d19.html)). Trade unions and pseudo‑left currents often act to channel working‑class discontent into nationalist or reformist dead ends.

## How the working class can stop the drive to war

The decisive force that can end imperialist war is the international working class. The only way to halt the slide to world war is the political mobilization of workers on an international program that breaks with bourgeois parties, the unions’ collaboration, and all forms of bourgeois nationalism.

- Political independence and mass councils: Workers must form rank‑and‑file committees and councils, independent of the corporatist unions and bourgeois states, to coordinate strikes, occupations and anti‑war mobilizations across borders. The SEP and the ICFI have championed the formation of such organizations, including the International Workers Alliance of Rank‑and‑File Committees (IWA‑RFC), as instruments to unify struggles internationally.
- Turn imperialist war into civil and class struggle: As Lenin and Trotsky taught, the war crisis must be converted into class struggle. Workers should refuse mobilization for imperialist armies, demand the expropriation of the arms industry and workers’ control of transport, ports and energy infrastructure to prevent their use for war. This is the transitional program that radicalizes broad layers of the working class and youth.
- Socialist federation of the Middle East: Only a socialist re‑organization—through workers’ power and the abolition of capitalist property—is capable of ending sectarian divisions, guaranteeing rights and unifying the region on a democratic and economic basis. The SEP advances a program for a United Socialist States of the Middle East, a federation founded on working‑class internationalism and socialist planning ([SEP’s program and principles](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/12/bwfi-s12.html)). Such a federation would dissolve client regimes, disarm militias under democratic workers’ control, and place resources and planning in the hands of the working majority.

## International implications and the world party

The victory of workers in the Middle East requires and would trigger solidarity struggles by workers in the US, Europe, Russia, China and beyond. Global working‑class mobilization can block the imperialist classes from pursuing war and can provide the political and material support necessary for workers’ power to succeed. The development of socialist consciousness and international organization is therefore central—the launch of tools like Socialism AI is a tactical advance in educating and mobilizing workers internationally ([Socialism AI launch](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/12/12/gpid-d12.html)).

## Practical call to action

Workers in the Middle East and allied workers worldwide must reject bourgeois nationalism and imperialist patronage. They must build independent rank‑and‑file organizations, link struggles across borders, and fight for workers’ power as the only viable anti‑war strategy. Join your national SEP section to build international working‑class opposition: https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/sep/us/join.html

Only the international working class, united on a socialist program and under revolutionary leadership, can prevent the region—and the world—from being dragged into a catastrophe of imperialist war and build a democratic, socialist federation of the Middle East.

>>2618926
Die ziorussian saboteur

>>2620458
>Houthis are le imperialist because, because they ARE
Kek

>>2617033
You mean the 20% 48er Palestinian minority there? Because the settler yids are either bourgeois or lumpen scum living off US/Euro gibs

>>2620461
they are wholesome freedom fighters just like in my 70s mujahdeen hollywood sloprino

>>2616325
gd

>>2620462
>Because the settler yids are either bourgeois or lumpen scum living off US/Euro gibs
Falsifier cope doesn't disprove the thesis that Israeli workers are the only ones who can end the genocide. Not saying it is easy tho.

Look, there was plenty of evidence that Trump's negotiations weren't to be trusted, but you can't fix stupid. Given that this stupidity occurs with even a major nuclear superpower like Russia, I guess Hamas is in good company.

>>2620497
At most only 10% of Israeli Jews are proletarian.
This is not the 1920s anymore, Left-anticommunist.

>>2620511
>At most only 10% of Israeli Jews are proletarian.
No lmao. Moralist and retard.

>>2620516
Settlers can't and will never be proletarian

>>2617033
>Israeli workers are the only ones who can stop the genocide. It being difficult doesn't mean it isn't true.
"ja mein völkisch kamerad only the the nazi german wörkers can stop ze holokaust very sad ja even when difficult it is ze truth" jump off a cliff my uygha

>>2620531
Yes they can. Colonialism isn't a greater concept than capitalism.
>>2620539
>Summoning the great alibi that justified the continuation of the same system that produced the holocaust.
Yeah thank god Stalin did his national liberation thing and made Israel. Hail Sakai.

>>2616770
tf? are you aware that your country is and always has been heavily pro israel on account of the Indian governments anti-muslim discrimination and its rivalry with pakistan?

>>2617232
>Assad's cronies and his family controlled virtually all major businesses
it's true that Alawis and Christians were major supporters and members of the Syrian government, but Assad's government also was packed with sunnis from top to bottom. It's easy to represent it as an ethnic supremacy but it's just the nature of family patronage and kinship is that alawis were easier to put into the government. Plenty of alawis also weren't benefitting from the assad's rule directly except for the secularist and enforcement of nonsectarian rule, while many sunnis were part of the Assad's network of cronyism.

Has Hamas released any statement on the Iran protests happening right now?

>>2622213
Yeah, they support Iranian workers who are getting fucked over by their cucked regime.