Singapore is an economical and social miracle undoubtedly, low rate of corruption, high rate of employment, FDI, Income and quality of life in general.
All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economy, Lee Yew is practically worshipped by Neoliberal for not only his policies but also for his Anti-communist operations.
Marxist (atleast I haven't found any) can point out to any contradiction plaguing Singaporean multicultural society.
Does this economical path is the way to prosperity, as an alternative to liberal western ideology.
What does /leftypol/ say on this? Can he be refuted by Dialectical Materialism?
>>2618165Being Venice 2.0 and sitting on trade routes isn't an accomplishment.
>>2618165>Singapore is an economical and social miracle undoubtedlyIts just another tax haven for bourgies. You could say the same about Switzerland but it has more social policies.
>>2618169There are other port cities also. It is not a special one.
>>2618171Yes, but during its inception it was more oriented towards industries and not just a financial capital like Hong kong.
Singapore is just an East Asian Dubai which rightoids have psyopped themselves into believing as an ideal state
>>2618178>which rightoids have psyopped themselves into believing as an ideal stateIts becsuse its a perfect example (in their minds) for the success of authoritarian liberalism
fascism.
>>2618178But does not have any natural resources the capital has to come from somewhere, to provide affordable housing
>>2618180How is it fascism? It is one party system yes, but fascist?
>>2618183>How is it fascism? It is one party system yes, but fascist?Because Singapore preserved private property and crushed labor power. Its the "final stage" of capitalism in crisis. Unrestricted neoliberalism where dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
literally whips proles into submission.
>>2618188This is the dumbest 1940s tier understanding of fascism. Literally everything you said about fascism (preservation of private property, disciplinarian action against proles) were present in the USSR, does this mean fascism is just early stage socialism?
>>2618165I'm actually going over there in a month, if there's anyone there please give me pointers on where to go
>>2618188>capitalism in crisisWhere is the crisis? It is at the top of every index, for several years.
What are you smoking?
>crushed labor powerThe labourers have accepted the ideology, even though the labourers per say don't exist. Many of the workers are migrants from another country, like Malaysia, Philippines and other asian countries.
>>2618194Singapore has instituted diversity in workplaces, and it has an Israel tier citizenship system, a Malaysian Chinese guy has a higher chance of getting citizenship within two years than a white guy or an Indian laborer who's been there for twenty years.
>>2618193Meet Crinacle for me, he is an youtuber who makes videos about IEMs, and has his own line up of IEMs.
>>2618195Wow, any resources or reference material?
>>2618194>Where is the crisis? In the communist/labor movement Singapore crushed. They kept the state structure because no opposition was left.
>>2618192Hearing Marxists talking about fascism and capitalism is like hearing a lib talking about the difference between aromantic and asexual. They know that these are two different things but because their methodological tool is limited when pressed to explain what exactly the difference are they just resort to "B is actually A but worse" which is not a satisfactory answer because we still have liberal capitalist states today that are objectively more brutal against proles than they are 60 years ago but is still quantitatively different from Fascism
>>2618194>Many of the workers are migrants from another country, like Malaysia, Philippines and other asian countries.This just makes it worse. Literal slave class of non-citizens.
>>2618196No idea which part of country he'd be from, but there're a lot of conferences I've read of
>>2618192>fascism is just early stage socialismYes.
>>2618200i agree with you, the nature of Fascism and Liberal Capitalism are very distinct.
Marxist nowadays can't tell the very difference between these two and how one leads to another.
>>2618199So? Don't provide a moral angle, provide something substantial, like South Korea, which has a whipping level of corruption and fucked quality of life. Or just agree Singapore is an exception to the rule. It is like a fairy tale where a benevolent man saves the country.
>>2618202Yeah, and that is the reality of globalization. What I am saying is that the economy developed before the migrant workers were such a substantial part of the economy.
>>2618213Provide more pixels, kek.
>>2618199Singapore had a legal order where they can ban any opposition once a Communist movement of a small form popped up. Lee alleged that a Communist conspiracy was infiltrating the church, or something along that road.
Singapore is probably going to become a tri-party state soon though, the opposition parties have become more popular. There is anti immigrant movement(against CECA in general) over there too.
>>2618219Many Communist countries in the past had a one party system, why is it bad?
The question is again the economic miracle along with a multicultural stable society, where Malay, Indians and other ethnic and religious communities were at each other's throat but Lee Yew didn't favor any population like Fascists.
>>2618208Yep. Traditional Marxism usually went into the 'fascism is capitalism that was anxious to preserve its dominance'. But that means that since capitalism today is not at risk of a proletariat revolution, then there cannot be fascism today, which is patently absurd. I would say that MAGA is unironically a proto fascist movement, for one. Neither does this theory explain why proto fascist movements sometimes failed, like with Bolsonaro in Brazil. Did Bolsonaro's fall meant that the bourgeoisie suddenly felt very secure about their power and decided to revert to normal capitalism? Makes no sense.
Again, i despise Dugin, i am a proud Dugin revisionist, but he actually understood the dividing line between Capitalism and Fascism. Capitalism puts the atomized individual as the supreme arbiter of reality, and everything else became flattened via exchange and capital into becoming an individual choice you take from a shelf in the market. This is our current condition now, where people pick identity and ideology from HoI4 Mods and twitter discourse, and the rise and fall of ideologies are determined by twitter algorithm and social media numbers (i know that my schizo ideology sound like this, but believe me there is actually a deeper reason behind my choice of identifying as a left wing Duginist)
The fascists deny this. The fascist would say that the individual is not a supreme arbiter of his own, but rather that the individual can only realize himself through Duty to a mythical aesthetic (most commonly some racialized destiny). You can only be a real person if you got a grenade shoved in your ass for the fuhrer and while your sister became a broodmother in some youth camp to produce more young nationalist.
And this is where Dugin lumped Fascism and Communism together. Because Communism also believed that an individual can only emerges (or rather reemerges) after a confrontation and destruction of the Other (Value Form). You can only be a real person if you are no longer are from the social relations you exist in, when "the Market" is no longer an abstract godlike form against which you are powerless, and this requires the *subordination of individuals into a greater historical destiny* which is the Historical Process. Both F and C attempted to go away from the Liberal conception of Individual Universality by grounding them to an Objective order- national destiny for fascism and Dialectical monent for Communism- and believes that only through subjection to these larger processes can an individual gain realizes itself
>>2618165Buying cars in Singapore is way too expensive. They have a CoE system where you pay millions to even get one. Singapore will execute you if bring weed above 10g, will jail you otherwise and cane you with visible marks on your back, no exceptions.
Their inequality is also terrible, unlike Malaysia, they all judge each other on the basis of money. Their country is also entirely empty, it's a giant mall, the citizens get subsidized(almost entirely) housing from the government, and they then proceed to rent it out to immigrants who have to wait for twenty years. It's not good.
There's not much culture over there, organizing for politics will get the government interested, and they'll proceed to try to bankrupt you financially. Their accent sucks, which is another thing, Singlish sounds retarded.
They're going all in on AI right, so they'll probably collapse in twenty years. They're the #1 supporters of Israel in SEA behind the Philippines, since Israel finances Singapore's military.
>>2618225Old Lee was definitely racist kek. This is a few of what he's spoken of. We have to owe it to him, though. But there is a lot of great man worship of him funded by the government itself.
Don't they beat people up with sticks for smoking weed in Singapore?
>>2618229Oh yeah, there is a reason why he was kicked out of Malaysia, forgot to mention. That was him and his party openly stoking racial tensions. That's if you believe their government though, they were kicked out because they'd win the election otherwise.
>>2618230Execution if you have quite a lot of it, infact.
>>2618229Lmao good post.
Whenever there are threads about Singapore, China, India, Iran, South Africa etc, I realise how ignorant the average Leftypoller is about these countries.
This would be fine if they were not smug, and argued indefinitely against people who actually are from these countries.
>>2618229Now we are talking, that is some fucked up ideas. Thanks anon, It also proves (I will check if these are real or not)how he just went along with the material necessity instead of going hurr durr muh race muh people route.
>>2618238ive observed a lot of people having no idea about India desu
>>2618230Yes. Imagine the punishment if you try to start a union.
>>2618240Yeah when the Ind-Pak conflict was ongoing, an anon was arguing with me, he thought that the indian army is made up exclusively of kshatriyas lmao.
Then i realised the guy just googled 'caste system', saw that the 'kshatriyas' are supposed to be warriors and deduced that's the indian army
Any discussion which is outside the USA, I do not take seriously here.
>>2618238>>2618240Tbh I have an idea of how India and South Africa are, but not Singapore as I never faced with the "What about Singapore? Checkmate Tankie?" rhetoric, until recently.
>>2618229>Expensive CarsThat is a consumer luxury problem I guess everywhere.
>weedNot a fan of drugs but ok for argument's sake
>judge each other on the basis of moneyOk, but not unique class discrimination is an age old problem.
>immigrants housingYeah that is something to look for as the country ages.
>interested governmentAuthoritarian things
>accentCan't comment on that, never heard it.
>>2618243And then what is your opinion on India anon?
>>2618165The best word to describe Singapore is sterile.
>>2618244Oh I know a lil bit Singapore becauee I visited the place when I was a kid and because people (and specially neolib economists) in my country swoon over singapore all the time. A bit less these days, it was more intense in the past.
>>2618248Lol why?? Is it really that boring?
>>2618247Looking more and more like they missed the bus forever.
They have closed their eyes on the mountain of backwardness in the country and now I am scared that the opportunity to actually become 'a superpower'is gone forever.
>>2618252Why? Their population is still young and it is a growing economy. Automation may hinder their growth but they will become something.
>>2618256>Automation may hinder their growth Lmao why would more efficient production hinder their growth?
>>2618228Hmm interesting to hear about your idea. Can you provide me a written pdf (by you) about your thoughts. I am very unironically interested.
Looks like a fake place, very similar to South Korea and Japan and achieving a high quality of life isnt that hard to do when you have only like 5 people living in it. To achieve that you only need a small portion of surplus value to be reinvested into infrastructure if you have no sanctions on you.
>>2618256Because then the cheap labour factors go away as developed and rich countries employ automation (like chinese dark factories) for production. And the Indian migrant situation is not looking good as more and more people migrate to other countries.
>>2618251Night life sucks. You can go there with kids and have a good time. The culture is weak except for really excellent architecture. They have their own Ohio which is Yishun. Few good spots:
>Kranji's War Memorial>Yueh Hai Ching>Pulau Ubin>Changi Chapel>Little India>Haji Lane>The Merlion>Kampung Glam>Arab St.Not a good tourist destination. Clarke Quay has a lot of pubs. Northern Singapore is almost entirely barren, but you can get to Johor without a visa for a few days which is a sick.
The Central region is great, the West is neglected. You can get out to Indonesia through a ferry/MRT to Batam.
Every single business and house is air conditioned. It got repetitive, tiring. The public transportation is amazing. The Casino is good too. It'd suck if you were poor over there, and I believe homelessness is illegal, and the homeless are all taken to shelters by force.
It's a concrete hellscape in a way. Most people socialize in the lower floors of the HDB's.
Tbh I wish I'd spent my money elsewhere, but the Hawkers are great.
>>2618193See
>>2618266Are there any historical or ancient cultural spaces, even museums will be enough?
What about street food?
>>2618165>strict neoliberal economyLand/housing though!
>>2618195Muh blood quantum blahblah requirements for getting citizenship are pretty common around the world, North and South America are the exceptions.
>>2618213I would like to ask William Gibson whether he can think of a country that has both Disneyland and the death penalty, and that in most regions looks much worse than Singapore or Disneyland.
>>2618275>Land and Affordable HousingTbh the population is so low, providing affordable housing is relatively easy but still does not discount the fact that it has a neo-liberal approach to business practice and no wish whatsoever to make a worker owned industry or collective.
>>2618285Don't know what is the obsession of /leftypol/ with Italian Fascists, and I don't want to know tbh.
Singapore is the le better Stalinland is something I am hearing for the first time.
>>2618297The population is low?!?! They have 6million people in 700km^2 ! That's super dense!
>All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economy
Ah yes, the neoliberal policy of 80% of the population living in strictly quotaed anf regulated government housing.
>>2618228Dugin says all that idealist crap because for him to admit that fascism is just another form of capitalism would undermine not just him but the foundations of the Russian bourgeois state (because the natural conclusion then is all capitalism inevitably leads to fascism so we need to overthrow capitalism to guarantee immunity).
>>2618299>>2618298As I said earlier housing is an exception and it is "relatively" small but the whole mode of production and the fact they have no inherent contradiction (atleast I can't find any) and even if they have they are living fine with it. There is no conflict of class and neither race or ethnic. That is why I conclude that Singapore might just be outside dialectical materialist progress of history. History has ended for them.
>>2618229Observations about ethnicities isn't necessarily racist, you know.
>>2618305>As I said earlier housing is an exception and it is "relatively" smallSpoken like a true petit bougie that lives in their dad's mansion and never suffered from housing insecurity. Having a bigger nationalized housing stock than fucking Red Vienna is hugely significant.
>>2618305>no contradiction Lmao ba sing tse go fuck yourself uyghur
>>2618307Do you lack reading comprehension or just dumb in general.
I am in no way denying that housing is a small achievement, just the population is not that big. Consider providing housing in Bangladesh. How are you gonna generate the capital. Out of Air?
Fucking read and answer dumb fuck.
>>2618308Give example or fuck off.
>>2618318You are an absolute moron
>>2618305>There is no conflict of class and neither race or ethnic.>discounts the riots in 1969 and 2012 by the Tamils and the Malays>most unequal society in Asia>>2618305>That is why I conclude that Singapore might just be outside dialectical materialist progress of history. History has ended for them.Tbh you're not wrong, but they can easily collapse.
>>2618306>Observations about ethnicities isn't necessarily racistI hate nationalists
>>2618319Hmm, I had knowledge about the 1969 riot but the 2013 one was not known to me and it also happened after 44 years since the last riot of 1969. At last something has come up.
There is contradiction indeed. Thanks OP.
I am sorry comrades, There are contradictions, history has not stalled yet, it will be interesting to see in the future how these get resolved.
>>2618358There's nothing nationalistic about that factual statement.
>>2618387Don't worry comrade, greater knowledge will help you develop your own framework for the future.
>>2618410>>2618387Upon researching more it made sense why Singapore society seems "peaceful".
The racial discrimination does exist and is a reality. But neoliberal economy policies bind it together.
>How?Neoliberalism influenced global migration binds the already rich upper class (not going by ethnicity) to use the lower class migrant population.
And the lower class migrants permit it because their origin country is comparatively a shithole and pay is good in Singapore. This two class are in a social contract, not push everything down the line. Bourgeois promises not to become full on fascists and the lower class promises not to become communists. The governmet is like a refree at this point.
But how many years will this contradiction go on, that is interesting to think about? And I genuinely fear this system where the labour class just accepts their fate (evident in western countries).
What are your thoughts comrade?
>>2618420Anon you might honestly be right. Similar situation in the Gulf coast. Dubai and Qatar being prime examples, the contradictions seem to hold them both together. Millions of Filipino and Indian immigrants over in both countries.
>But how many years will this contradiction go on, that is interesting to think about?I suppose until the ideology, fizzles out, or if the social class no longer sees a benefit in staying over there. As in, if there is an increase in the martial crisis(war, riots), and if there is an increase in the economic crisis(sanctions, depressions). Or, if the ruling ideology collapses, as in, a more unruly strain comes in and disrupts the class.
When do you think it'd collapse?
>>2618431I found an answer in China's recent endeavours . Recently China developed their own EUV prototype despite the sanctions on modern equipments.
Partly because retired ASML scientists of chinese-origin were invited back to their country, and they accepted because the material conditions are so good in China along with government grants. Until the migrant's origin country does not develop rapidly and in their favour, things will things will hardly change in MY OPINION.
After that history will tell.
>>2618420>This two class are in a social contractSocial contract theory is bunk liberal nonsense, fyi.
>>2618420neoliberalism is when you have state enforced ethnic quotas among your government housing units
>>2618464It is because of my lack of proper words, I beg your pardon. I know the labour class is following the self-interest and the bourgeoisie their own.
The social contract theory might be debunked but a nice word to explain the liberal word.
>>2618465Neoliberalism when state takes it hands off the mode of production and destroys any and every collective or social endeavor. So I don't what the fuck you mean by that.
>>2618464Are you autistic? He clearly isn't Hobbes.
>>2618252Sad to be honest.
LKY is and was the perfect Fabian, in the sense of the Fabian society rather than the Fabian strategy.
Dengism is just big Singapore under a communist party. (Rather than arguing about whether that makes Singapore based or China cringe, it's more useful to see how they've played the game, more interesting to speculate on whether China's trying to win it or topple the board in the end…)
>>2619183>>2619035>>2618472You can read about HOW "social contract theory" is bunk (from a Marxist perspective) in this very nice book that I am attaching.
>implying Americans/golden billioniods readhahaha
, still…. >>2618165>All this achieved through a strict neoliberal economySingapore is not neoliberal. Housing, transportation, energy etc are all contingent on the State (with some being entirely owned by the state). The Singaporean government economically hermecize the individual from the market by providing him with enough to survive.
In marxian terms, the gov protects the individual from some of the capitalist contradictions which exist.
>Lee Yew is practically worshipped by Neoliberal for not only his policies but also for his Anti-communist operations.Not really. He's worshipped by libertarians who don't understand how their economy works, ironically often not realizing that the """freedom""" loving Lee has had to create the biggest investment fund in existence and some of the most extensive social policies to guarantee said-freedom to individuals.
And more interestingly, he's also worshipped by illiberal asian countries (like China) for developing an undemocratic yet prosperous society.
>Marxist (atleast I haven't found any) can't point out to any contradiction plaguing Singaporean multicultural society.Singapore is a tax-heaven, depends on foreign labor work who seek citizenship, and is essentially fiscally limited on some enterprise to exist. What do you think happens if these enterprise disappear and labor source ?
>Does this economical path is the way to prosperity, as an alternative to liberal western ideology.No because it's contingent on certain criterias which can't be extrapolated to the entirety of western societies. It's the same reason as to why every european country didn't lower taxes like Ireland to prosper.
It's like saying that the gulf model can be extrapolated to european countries.
>Can he be refuted by Dialectical Materialism?Its existence is actually a pretty good example of the material dialetic given that the people there don't seem to be concerned for their democracy as long as their material needs are ensured.
Even more, its entire existence is predicated on an economic reality : that of having a tax heaven alongside one of the biggest social safety net to safeguard the population from immeseration
>>2618228Marxism can't explain fascism because fascism has "idealist" (and not material) cause.
Fascism is essentially a population forfeiting their liberal rights to safeguard their country from a percieved threat (immigrants, jews, sexual minorities etc). This is why fascism is fundamentally a reactionary right-wing regime. It doesn't try to change societies, but only to radically safeguard it.
>>2619486>Housing, transportation, energy etc are all contingent on the State (with some being entirely owned by the state).So its a socdem tax haven?
>>2619487Yeah somewhat but it's not democratic. So it's more of a social-tax haven
But most tax heavens like Ireland or Bahrein use the funds to redistribute to the population too so it's not entirely surprising.
This country is a prison
>>2619490It fits the traditional fascoid definition of fascism but im allergic to these apes defining anything.
>>2619566>It's a vapid shithole filled with a cattle-like population, devoid of any identity or intellectualism, but steel and glass is impressive to some people, apparently.This, it is entirely empty of any culture. It's disgusting.
>>2619569Wait ew you're a fash
>>2618297>Don't know what is the obsession of /leftypol/ with Italian FascistsObviously I cannot speak for the entire board but I always found the various Mediterranean fascists to be much more competent overall and with more of a mass appeal than there northern european counterparts and ergo much more of a problem in the longterm. The various fascists regimes in Portugal,Spain and Italy held onto to power much longer than NSDAP ever did and imho over here in burgerland ᴉuᴉlossnW-esque rhetoric about le nation being realer than race has much more potential than telling every single person that isn't a white evangelical they need to die.
>>2619566>>2619569> It's a vapid shithole filled with a cattle-like population, devoid of any identity or intellectualism, but steel and glass is impressive to some people, apparently.You described Canada with less of a homelessness problem. Great culture is built when artists have food and shelter.
>>2619599>Great culture is built when artists have food and shelter.Yes, but those are not the only conditions necessary. At least Canada has Rush. Singapore is just a literal temple of consumerism and little else.
>>2619486>Not reallyOh you have no idea. He is like the "Communist bashing strict but good father" for them.
>its entire existence is predicated on an economic realityTrue
>>2619579>more competent overallIn which ways?
> le nation being realer than race As long as I have seen "le nation" is the starting point, it only rolls down the hill.
First
>our state is in danger, protect it from outsidersthen
>our state is in danger, protect it from insidersAnd then
>kill minorities>kill women>kill anyone who is not "US"And this defination of US gets narrowed down as time goes by.
>>2619841>In which ways?Other than lasting longer in power, I would say unlike the attempt at carving up eastern europe into lebensraum they were all much more successful in there colonial ambitions and two of them survived well past the second world war.
>As long as I have seen "le nation" is the starting point, it only rolls down the hill. I would agree that there a tendency to go from scapegoat to scapegoat(especially if said states aren't at war) but imho the biological racism of the northern european fascists movements makes them less flexible and not as good at recuperation. In a US context I just think it would be easier for a multiethnic empire in decline(Like spain or portugal) to embrace a doctrine where anyone can be in the ingroup as long as they meet some randomass woowoo-vibes based criteria on what it means to be a real american™
>>2618175>There are other port cities also. It is not a special one.It really is special though. Like 80 percent of global shipping squeezes through that trade corridor in the straits of Malacca where Singapore happens to sit. It was already an important entrepot at independence, and it was originally established precisely because the British recognized the area's strategic value.
>>2618175>not just a financial capital like Hong kong.You realize Hong Kong also had a lot of industrial enterprise and there was massive sweat shop and textiles industry there, just like in Singapore? Both benefited from permissive low tax environments with barely any regulation of capitalist enterprise, extremely cheap labor force that was highly disciplined by authoritarian regimes, strategic trade locations that facilitated trade with East Asia / China?
>>2618234Malaysians were also stoking tensions though. They wanted a Malay and muslim supremacist government, which is what they have today I think. Honestly, Singapore has its flaws but it was much better being independent than sticking with Malaysia, which is an Islamic shithole in my crude opinion.
>>2620285Yeah I knew that, and It could not sustain it after China's opening up, so it shifted towards finance. That is why I said Singapore "seems" to be in a better position compared to Hong Kong.
>>2620299It is an Islamic Ethnocentric Country, a literal hellhole. Asian countries (mainly south east asian and east asian) tend to embody extreme types of discrimination, segregation and hierarchies. An anthropological test must be done on this phenomenon.
>>2620346Check out Maldives. By law, only a Muslim can become a citizen. So it always has by definition a 100% Muslim demographic.
>>2620346Yeah Malaysia is a literal apartheid state, not kidding.
>>2620346>It is an Islamic Ethnocentric Country, a literal hellhole. Asian countries (mainly south east asian and east asian) tend to embody extreme types of discrimination, segregation and hierarchies. An anthropological test must be done on this phenomenon.Is it because of insecurity? Or because having more outsiders would weaken the states influence and function?
>Bumiputera, literally translates as "son of the land" or "son of the soil". In Indonesia, a related term, "Pribumi", is used, although in Malaysia it more broadly denotes indigenous peoples.
>Following the 13 May incident in 1969, the government implemented the New Economic Policy (NEP), a set of measures granting extensive social, economic and political advantages to bumiputera communities.
>Although originally presented as a temporary solution to interethnic tensions, the policy has remained in force for decades and has been described as a form of institutionalised racism.
It seems, these are effects of Asian hierarchical racist/fascist ideology, present in many many east and south east asian countries. They became institutionalized as time went by.
>also look at Lee Yew's Quotes
Now I would like the opinions of others. Did Lee Yew has just shifted the hierarchy from Malays to Chinese in Singapore. Any resources on that?
Is this thread just racist Brit/Burger posters making up things now? You can be a citizen of Malaysia or Indonesia as a Christian.
>>2621872You can be a citizen but you won't be a "Malay"
>>2621378Sharia mind virus is really funny since Malaysia was far more secular before straight up becoming an apartheid Islamic state after the oil boom
>>2622062What exactly is the Apartheid that the Christians are the victim of?
The CPF mandatory savings ordinary accounts (to be spent on housing, education, retirement, or medical), sovereign wealth funds, and Development Bank of Singapore together with the Housing and Development Fund to me indicate a set of policies which are precisely as noteworthy and successful as they are illiberal.
That housing is afforded by three times as many Singaporeans as New Yorkers despite having 80% the GDP per capita is a novel achievement. This model was even part of what helped shape the Chongqing model in China - a sort of left-wing revival for a time.
That they've managed to develop from nothing but the trade route to among the greatest economies on the planet is also an achievement. In Africa and the Middle East there are plenty of places with abundant natural resources which are incapable of defending their interests sufficiently to exploit them to the benefit of the public.
Lastly it goes against notions that democracy is tied to development and good governance, and the natural interventionist - by US, IMF, World Bank, etc. doesn't matter - disposition that follows. It's more representative of strong statement in line with the "Bangkok Declaration". [^1]
Overall despite the means-testing, financialization, reliance on migrant labor, and apparent racism that designed the system that the country is a useful model in good governance, and even in particular policies where the state has successfully intervened in the market with a heavy hand directly shaping the society that we see today.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20041124184022/http://law.hku.hk/lawgovtsociety/Bangkok%20Declaration.htm>>2639460>BumiputeraWikipedia says one sufficient condition for counting as Bumiputera is this (citing the Malaysian Higher Education Ministry):
<"If both of the parents are indigenous natives of Sarawak as stated in Article 161A (6)(a) Federal Constitution of Malaysia; thus their child is considered as a Bumiputera"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumiputera_(Malaysia)So we go to the Wikipedia entry for Sarawak:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SarawakAnd that article says about half of that population is Christian. Are you saying these don't count as Bumiputera?
>>2618165Deng was open about how he loved Lee Yew's Singaporean fascist economic model. Japan's too. Huge inspirations for the CPC right. Way preferable to the Stalinized economy of "ultraleft" Mao and the Cultural Revolution Group.
Singapore is so successful because of
1. The obvious factor, Lee Kuan Yew, a politician who genuinely cared about improving the nation and dedicated his life to micromanaging every aspect of Singapore and obsessively crushing any trace of corruption in the officials beneath him.
2. Singapore consists of just the single city and thus is small enough for a single good ruler to micromanage by himself. It wouldn't work nearly so well if, for example, LKY was ruling all of Malaysia - he wouldn't be able to breathe down the neck of every official, and he'd have to delegate more of the management to others, who are unlikely to be as competent or concerned with the wellbeing of the state.
3. It being located in an extremely good spot for being a trade hub, which allowed it to grow rich more easily.
4. It being nominally neoliberal(despite how neolibs like to claim Singapore's achievements for their ideology, the policies and extreme government involvement in all areas of society that made it so successful, such as public housing with ethnic integration policy, are much more like socialism) allowed it to avoid the sanctions and political subversion that is targeted at states which openly claim a socialist or communist ideology. Well, there were still some attempts to meddle in Singaporean politics by the CIA, but to a much lesser degree than their operations in other places, like Latin America socialist states for example.
Ultimately it's a product of some very good circumstances which can't be replicated elsewhere and thus much like Switzerland isn't really a good endorsement of neoliberal democracy as a system(which it only nominally was under LKY anyway, it was far too autocratic to be called liberal or a democracy in practice). I will also note that in the wake of LKY's death and succession by bog-standard self-serving politicians it has started turning into an actual neoliberal democracy and is consequently starting to experience stagnation. For example, it is experiencing what seems to be a universal problem in developed capitalist states which is inflation outpacing wages.
>>2639736>Way preferable to the Stalinized economy of "ultraleft" Mao and the Cultural Revolution Group.I think the reason someone would unironically say this is because of the dearth of light industry, (I often hear a story of insufficient crayon colors) and the costly agrarian campaigns (something one could easily hear regularly but don't). Also just that one has happened recently where as the others are now older - part of the reason no one believes in a British model of development for example. But I don't know how I feel; it seems that the Soviet industrialization was far faster than even the Asia Tigers.
>>2639792>The obvious factor, Lee Kuan Yew, a politician who genuinely cared about improving the nationI unironically wish there were more people like him. Closest is Stalin.
>>2621376>Did Lee Yew has just shifted the hierarchy from Malays to Chinese in Singapore.Nope, Singapore already had a strong Chinese majority
>>2640344what is the cope?
>>2618165>lee kuan yew>neoliberal>looks inside>large state control of industries>public housing>economic planningehhhhhh
>>2640373closet stalinist
>>2640148Almost nobody doesn't wish there were more LKYs
>>2640373This, Singapore was almost doing Dengism
>>2640377its weird because op could have used hong kong but instead he used singapore…
Which had economic policies simmilar to the heavily state interventionist east asian tigers (taiwan, china, sk, and japan). I dont get what op is doing by not using hong kong
>>2640380Hong Kong used to be part of England though so it doesn't really count
>>2639836>it seems that the Soviet industrialization was far faster than even the Asia Tigers.soviet industrialization was arguably more impressive than the east asian tigers. Soviet didnt rely on us aid. Soviets recieved less foreign investment than japan, korea and taiwan did. Soviets were seen as enemies by most nations in the globe. Soviets were surrounded by capitalists that wanted them gone. Soviets also had to industrialize with way less advanced tech.
And yet in 10 years, the soviets somehow managed to industrialize quickly. This is a miracle
>>2619486>This is why fascism is fundamentally a reactionary right-wing regime. It doesn't try to change societies, but only to radically safeguard it.Lol no, fascism goal is also to revolutionary change their society. If this wasnt the case ᴉuᴉlossnW and hitler wouldnt have done their cultural larp shit.
>>2640380I didn't use Hong Kong because it was a british colony and contradictions caught up, as it is one of the most unequal hellholes, with the most expensive real estate.
>>2640396Also it has to pull itself up from a backwater hellhole, its major cities and industrial zones got obliterated in ww2
Really it was impressive.
>>2640403>fascism>revolutionaryPick one.
Leftypol is now filled with closeted fascist cunts
>>2640373>South Korea>Has the government supported conglomerates>somehow not neoliberal because government supportedPlease read more and KYS after that.
>>2640414-nationalized financial system.
-certain industries were mostly monopolized by the state (steel)
-economic planning agencies which used the state control of the financial system to "guide" companies
In what way does neoliberalism advocate for the state control of banks and the financial system. And then using them to guide companies? Point to me a neoliberal idea that supports full nationalization of the banking system.
>>2640409fair but using singapore isnt great either. Its a east asian tiger state. Its an example of mercantile state capitalism with possible "socialist" influence. Its not an example of the success of neoliberalism, at all.
>>2640411It was very very impressive. It was basically a sieged state for most of its history. Meanwhile the east asian tigers recieved a lot of free shit from the usa.
The soviet union was like a poor kid who had nothing. And had to build himself up to wealth. Meanwhile the east asian tigers were poor kids who got adopted by a rich family. Who then proceeded to shower them with aid and investment.
The soviet union also presented a new model of economic development. Meanwhi;le the east asian tigers in many ways used old mercantile forms of economic development. In this regard the soviet union was trully 100 percent impressive.
>>2640388>>2640386Under the colonial governors it was essentially autonomous and had a lot of leeway to adopt its own developmentalist policies independent of the UK, which is why it's often put in the basket of one the East Asian tigers
>>2640423>>2640411>>2640396While I agree the USSR was impressive, and it was the first proper "developmentalist state" of the 20th century with no previous precedent, there's a few things to note. One is that as shit as the Tsarist state was, it had already overseen some industrialization, which was accelerated by WWI. So there was already some level of technical expertise. The scientific and technical expertise didn't just arise de novo, it's just that the Soviet state was able to start from that kernel and exponentially expand the level of cadres. I'd argue the Great Purge in the late 1930s was basically a campaign to destroy the remains of those older bases of expertise which had grown up under Tsarism and were seen as unreliable, and replace them with technical cadres that had been raised during WWI or the 1920s and were the first generation to have grown up under Soviet rule.
>Soviet didnt rely on us aid. Soviets recieved less foreign investment than japan, korea and taiwan did. Soviets were seen as enemies by most nations in the globe.There is extensive debate on this, but the USSR did import equipment and expertise from the West all throughout the 1920s and 30s, without which industrialization would have been impossible or much delayed. For all the foundations I mentioned above, the need for foreign experts was due to shortages in the early USSR. When the Great Depression hit, moreover, the USSR was actually an attractive investment for US firms because its brisk economic growth during a global slump made it an attractive investment, and the Soviets paid for everything in hard currency and on time on the back of collectivization of the peasantry.
>Soviets also had to industrialize with way less advanced tech.Keep in mind though, that unlike the Asian tigers, the USSR has vast agricultural and resource wealth. Siberia has fantastic mineral wealth, the Caucasus had oil, the Soviet heartlands of Russia and Ukraine had a lot of good agricultural lands. I am leaving out places like East Ukraine which is a massive industrial region due to its mineral resources etc. The tragedy of the USSR imo is that despite these massive resources it still collapsed on itself and in the long term didn't seem to manage them all that well.
>>2640433I will respond later. I need to do something. Im not ignoring you just busy
Singapore is a fascist entity that uses slave labor. It's a literal police state in the full sense of the word. They execute people for possessing small amounts of marijuana. A real "social miracle". lmao
>>2640439If the Qatari emir said "US bad" 80% of leftypol would become wahabists.
>>2640438yep, take your time
>>2640456Don't tell them about the saudi king that cut off oil to the entirety of the west
>>2640376>>2640414>everything I dont like is neoliberalismabsolute dumbfucks, plz read a book once in your lives
>>2640439>muh marijuana>muh immigrant slave laborThey are immigrants, they have two choices either die like a pest in their own country or in a foreign country.
>police stateGDR had stasi, what is your point?
>>2640515because similar gov systems have produced simmilar results. Which suggests its a combination of location and political systems.
>>2640516>because similar gov systems have produced simmilar resultslike where?
>>2640517korea, taiwan, japan, china? Theres differences but theres simmilarities to the point they get grouped up together
Singapore is successful because it's majority Chinese.
Taiwan (Republic of China) is successful because it's majority Chinese.
China is successful because it's majority Chinese.
>>2640521bro Japan is a massive failure of a country. Korea is not much better, the public is massively unhappy and doesn't want kids. Taiwan I don't know much about but they are also propped up by the west to use against China. And as for China itself, yes they embraced global trade kind of but they never became 'neoliberal', they are highly-regulated state managed capitalism. These countries get grouped together because westerners are ignorant and racist lol.
>>2640533Bro, im talking about overall economic development. Japan korea, and taiwan despite being unhappy shitholes still did develop economically. And china while never become neoliberal, still has a highly regulated state capitalism that has some parallel elements with singapore.
Im saying that all these economic models show that you can use a singapore style system to develop industry, urbanization and etc. Its just in the long term it doesnt guarantee happy results and could just end up producing a dystopia like south korea and japan was.
> These countries get grouped together because westerners are ignorant and racist lol.Its also because they do share elements with each other. Inductive planning, state control of finance, export oriented industrialization, powerful economic bureacracies, etc etc. And some cultural similarities.
>>2640539I never said china became neoliberal. Im saying that chinas current model of highly regulated state capitalism has some parallels with singapore. Or at least the political economic system which singapore used during its development.
>>2640525People ask: What about when the Chinese suffered like in the Opium wars or under Japanese occupiers? And I tell them those anecdotes don't count because back in the day the people of China were French, you see.
>>2640515I am the anon who wrote that post originally. My percentage was wrong. It is more like 25-30 percent of world trade. But that is still by far the largest percentage of trade of any global choke point: the others being the Panama Canal, Suez Canal, Straits of Hormuz, Gibraltar, Bab el Mandab straits, and the Turkish traits. Of those, you have Oman and UAE abutting the Straits of Hormuz, and they are "rich" societies. Panama is also essentially a city-state consisting of Panama City and its hinterlands and, while somewhat dysfunctional, is very wealthy by Latin American standards. The Turkish straits has Istanbul and its environs, which is by far the richest most developed part of Turkey. Suez Canal and Bab el Mandab have not yielded wealthy city-states, and this case it probably is a case of poor state policies and development. Still, the Suez is a big money maker for Egypt and one can imagine some imaginary city-state detached from Egypt itself would be very wealthy if it weren't attached to a highly dysfunctional state. Gibraltar is fairly wealthy but noting like Singapore.
>>2640533>bro Japan is a massive failure of a country. Korea is not much better, the public is massively unhappy and doesn't want kids. Taiwan I don't know much about but they are also propped up by the west to use against China.All of these societies have acute problems, but they are absolutely successful examples of state capitalist development and, if you were to visit, you'd encounter highly organized, technologically advanced societies that outclass many Western countries.
>Taiwan I don't know much about but they are also propped up by the west to use against China.Korea and Japan were propped up after WWII as well. But Taiwan, like those countries, went on to stand on their own two feet as successful export economies. The US heavily subsidized Japan's recovery and Korea's rise with favorable policies that allowed them to import to the US, as well as putting in massive orders to their industries during the Korean and Vietnam wars. Taiwan faces similar problems to Korea and Japan such as problems with birth rate, exploitative work cultures, etc. but it is also quite nice by developmental standards.
>These countries get grouped together because westerners are ignorant and racist lol.They get grouped together because they followed very similar models of economic development which were influenced by each other and which all received US backing on various fronts. Mostly, Korea and Taiwan wholesale borrowed Japanese economic developmental policies and some ideas from the USSR concerning the implementation of 5 year plans. Korea's Chaebol system was essentially a copy-paste of Japan's prewar Zaibatsu formations (which were succeeded by Keiretsu after WWII) of massive sprawling family enterprises. Taiwan also had a similar use of crony capitalism where state and corrupt private enterprises power worked hand in glove to implement industrialization.
>>2640525>China is successful because it's majority Chinese.Well, China became successful for many reasons. But an understated factor is that when China opened up in the late 1970s, Chinese diasporas in Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan had already developed to a good degree and many of their experts, managers, entrepreneurs flooded into China to offer the government their services in the economic development of the country. Not for selfless reasons, but because they stood to make massive profits by building up Chinese industry (which they did).
>>2640670Good observations anon
>>2620299>>2618169>>2618171There are hundreds of islands in that trade route. We know it's a good place because people want to move there, no-one wants to move Venezuela, Cuba, China, North Korea, or ever wanted to move to the USSR or East Germany. If you need to coerce people stay in your country, then the system sucks, if you can't keep people out when you coerce them to stay the fuck out, then it's good.
>>2640423>The soviet union was like a poor kid who had nothing. And had to build himself up to wealth. Meanwhile the east asian tigers were poor kids who got adopted by a rich family. Who then proceeded to shower them with aid and investment.It's worth noting both that if there's no Four Asian Tigers miracle the only options are the Soviet Union and China, but that the city states of Hong Kong, and Singapore developed without aid. Something like 70% of global inequality reduction this century is due to the development of East Asia. The half the remaining 30% is South Asia, and another quarter South East Asia (now dubbed, perhaps too soon, the Tiger Cub Economies - following an inspired economic model). Apparently the remainder is split between recovery of the former USSR from privatization and the development of Africa.
>>2640710The point is that they control access through a bottleneck and can charge fees on everything that goes through
>>2640710>There are hundreds of islands in that trade route.And only one of those islands (Singapore), was already deliberately cultivated as a major entrepot and naval base under the British Empire, which is why it attract so much Chinese immigration in the late 19th century in the first place. It was already positioned to exploit that trade artery unlike any other major port in the region. The country's being chucked out of Malaysia made that all but inevitable.
>>2640791>no-one wants to move Venezuela, Cuba, China, North Korea, or ever wanted to move to the USSR or East Germany.Until the 1980s, North Korea was the larger economy than South Korea and garnered much sympathy from the massive Korean diaspora in Japan that was trapped there after WWII. Of course, South Korea overtook it with its ruthless export-oriented developmental policies, which North Korea very much lacked due to it's isolation from major trading partners like the USSR and China. East Germany did attract a lot of migration from Eastern Bloc countries like Hungary and Czechoslovakia because it had the more developed economy. It also had a large immigrant community from Vietnam, which is still felt in Berlin today. The USSR also had a lot of internal migrants going to the Russian SSR from Central Asia, Ukraine, and the Caucasus. It's definitely true that professionals would have preferred to leave to the West, but that is because the West garnered massive wage increases on account of their economies being already highly developed. The same shit happens today and we call it "Brain Drain" which has been a massive problem that has hindered the development of the so-called Third World countries. If those educated populations had to stay in place instead of migrating to the West, those economies would be more stable and would develop faster. This is just universal problem of individual self-interest competing with national self-interest, and no solution has been develoepd to this day. You will see neoliberal economists praise remissions, but the reliance of developing countries on said remission leads to severe problems and distortions in economic development.
>>2640808keywords
>was>had >>2640808>severe problems and distortions in economic development.See, the Philippines and Nepal as archetypal examples of economies heavily reliant on remissions from their diasporas in the developed West, Japan and Gulf States.
>>2640812The point is, that there is a general rule whereby educated professionals move from less developed to more developed countries. This exists within the European Union today, where Southern and Eastern Europeans move to German or Scandinavia. Within the US, professionals will move from less developed areas (the "flyover states") to more developed regions, leading to internal brain drain and unbalanced development. This isn't a problem of socialism per se.
>>2640818Basically, you get a doom loop where the less developed areas become stagnant which leads to more brain drain which leads to further stagnation and underdevelopment, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Again, not a problem that was confined to the Socialist countries when they existed.
>>2640710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TtZtTA6cTUInterestingly, there is the example of the Seychelles, a semi-successful quasi socialist entity at one point which has a high standard of living for Africa. But it's a tiny population and not nearly as successful as Singapore. Funny vid
>>2640424But it also had the special status of being able to trade with mainland China while not being cut off from trade with the outside world, essentially serving as China's "window to the world" and a massive trade hub which made it rich(and then made it go into decline after the rest of China opened up and its monopoly was lost).
>>2640844yep, don't disagree
>>2640791Also, to add to this comment, consider that Singapore was surrounded mostly by the Dutch East Indies, all of whose ports had high taxes. The British undercut the Dutch ports by making their port a "free port" with no duties. Secondly, nearby British ports like Penang further up the Malay peninsula had a shallow water port. Singapore already had natural deep water harbors and had better situated geography allowing it to dominate trade for Indochina, the Dutch East indies and trade between India/China/Europe.
>>2618169 FPBP
Why is this thread even needed? A scarce few places in the world get the completely fortuitous and non-replicable chance to be a commercial/financial hub for transnational capital, it has nothing to do with policies or ideology. And notice i say "places" instead of "le country", Singapore is a glorified port city, i guarantee you if you took the main port city of the average African country and raised it into country status, suddenly le heckin wholesome life quality indicators would significantly go up because they're no longer averaged down by the impoverished hinterland, actually there's already an example, it's called Djibouti. Singapore's hinterland is not even in Singapore, it's in all surrounding countries that it sources its slave labor from, exact same as the GCC states, but that is not accounted for in your amazing "miracle" figures that only includes Singapore's labor aristocracy
Next you're gonna ask how can landlocked Malawi copy Panama's "success", this is the lowest of the low liberal-tier "PoLiCy oUtCoMeS" analysis
>>2643827Seychelles and Mauritius are the best places in Africa for a reason
>>2644560 really great posts about countries that aren't the "country" of Singapore but passed off as if they had the same "model" as Singapore indeed.
For the record, the Korean and Taiwanese "model" was being strategically crucial imperial posts in the pacific and thus being allowed to industrialize, the Chinese "model" was a proletarian state offering the single largest and most profitable reserve army of labor to transnational capital in exchange for maintaining economic sovereignty. No matter how hard besieged Cuba implements the same "model", it will never ever industrialize.
The "east asian tigers" is nelioberal mythologizing propaganda founded on ignoring the reality of imperialist imposed underdevelopment, it's so mythological they literally call it a "miracle" because bourgeois economists don't actually have a scientific understanding of economics
>>2645911Many countries are in a position to be allowed to develop in the sense of a Japan, China, Singapore, or Hong Kong. Few are geopolitically positioned to get active (non-technical administrative) help like a Taiwan or South Korea. What's missing is the institutions and ideas which allow for a state-directed program of:
1. Dissimulation of technical expertise.
2. Redirecting of capital towards modern labor saving devices.
3. Within a capitalist system insuring these resources aren't destroyed by (global) competition.
1. and 2. are just increasing crystalized labors share, while the 3. is maintaining profitability.
Incidentally it would be wonderful if there were western institutions to without prejudice to the sort of state they were aiding to provide technical administrative aid as was received from the UN for Singapore to establish its developmental state, or was self-created by the Japanese.
>>2645974>What's missing is […]In reality this is an oversimplification. Especially if you've got an economy dominated by economic rents, basically feudalism. Then there's more work to do, even patently revolutionary work. In the US this might be largely the case because IP (rents for getting there first - irreconcilable with late development), capital rents, and ground rents, makes unbounded income for finite work. Together these are a
massive part of the economy.
Ngl Singapore is THE cuck country
Imagine needing that strong of a government
when you think about it. The british empire was the first example of the east asian model but western
>>2651335Better examples are probably France, Prussia/the German Empire and Piedmont (Northern Italy), which had heavier state involvement in development. The US also had it to some extent with its high tarriff regime and government collusion with industry during and after the American Civil War. The British model was too idiosyncratic because it was the first of its kind and involved a lot of miscellaneous factors coming together in the late 18 century to create the first self-sustaining "industrial takeoff".
>>2651335To summarize "Kicking Away the Ladder": Britan had initiatives of technical poaching, taxes on intermediate product export (lower value added), and planning of manufactury placement as early as the early 1500s. And by 1721 we have the claim from Walpole's address to Parliment:
>It is evident that nothing so much contributes to promote the public well-being as the exportation of manufactured goods and the importation of foreign raw materials.Tariffs during this period were reduced on raw materials used for manufacturing. If a duty was paid on raw materials it was reduced upon export. Export duties were removed. Imported manufactured goods tariffs were raised. Export subsidies were raised.
These policies largely stayed in place for some two generations after industrialization had in effect made any competition in the global market nil.
singapore is not capitalist. you're just too stupid to recognize the elevated stage of communism in which singapore exists. it is a stage called DENGISM
soon the entire world will embrace DENGIST socialism
>>2651637>German Empire>PrussiaThese are complicated examples. What every instance of catch up development seems to have is poaching of technical expertise, and technology. Together with means for its diffusement.
At some point you need to invest capital, tariffs and subsidies are ways to bias capital investment in higher value added despite a lack of clear competitive advantage (which if you're to ever be competitive must exists because you lack technical expertise or infrastructure) but theoretically if you can break the monopoly on technology and have the resources to hand, you can create competitive industry.
>USMany examples such as the US which industrialized largely before it's strongest tariffs were put in place did so by effectively displacing the locals, taking their abundant resources, and applying technological expertise from the mother country.
>Northern ItalyA seemingly even more complicated example.
Man all you fucking angmohs piss me off. Singapore is a deeply misunderstood country, especially if you ever only listen to its own loudest source, LKY. You have to consider how and why Singapore was created in the first place.
Singapore is in an amazing location for maritime trade. It is still the busiest port in the world. If you ever wonder why Singapore has a majority Chinese population despite being a Malay island, it is precisely because they came over due to already established trade routes by the Hokkien population (hence their overwhelming presence in Singapore/SEA). Singapore was far more developed as a city than anywhere else in the colonial era than say Malacca, also Raffles promising the Peranakan bourgeoisie free port in Singapore.
LKY did not get into power as a neoliberal, but as a fabian socialist. The 'communists' he denigrated constantly? They were the people who formed the PAP with him and put him into power! Ironic that his start in politics was representing people in court known as the Fajar Trial that he would later label as communists. His neoliberal turn was after Singapore had public housing, transport healthcare and even if a public pension. After Singapore built (and still has) SOEs, nationalised all the land. Of course the current PAP is slowly priviatizing whatever they can, with the current opposition Workers' Party pushing them back.
Hell, it is deeply ironic that LKY would say these things
>>2618229 when his road to power infamously demonising his 'communist' ex-allies as Chinese chauvinist as well (their leader was not as well educated and could only make speeches in Hokkien). He doesn't even like Chinese people as well, crushing the dialect association and banned dialects on state media.
Nor is Singapore an amazing place to be in right now. The neoliberalisation has left the city state with low TFR on par with South Korea and Hong Kong. And this is already with constant immigration and Malay minority, the native chinese and indian would be even lower. Rising living costs and declining economic power has meant that the PAP couldn't make any gains against the Workers Party, despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did. Ironic that LKY spent decades ranting about welfarism only to have the current Prime Minister be called Voucher Wong for his constant reliance on government vouchers and stimulus spending. PAP even gives out free groceries as 'political campaigning'. The economic miracle of Singapore for Singaporeans is over. I doubt any local neoliberal or fascist would be happy with the sober reality now.
>>2640486>They are immigrants, they have two choices either die like a pest in their own country or in a foreign country.Most socially conscious Singapoorean.
>GDR had stasi, what is your point?Do you even know what Stasi means? Evil-sounding word, omg so scary! They protected the state from those who spied for the CIA and worked to destroy it, they didn't go around chasing weed smokers and pickpocketers. Checkmate.
>>2652650Then why do they immigrate to foreign countries
>muh marijuanaHow about you go to a rehab junkiee?
>>2652766I don't have to smoke weed to not want people to be executed for it, you fucking peabrain.
>>2618165Singapore glazing has gone out of hand,
It is not more impressive than what has been achieved in PRC and it remains an utter dead end.
It cannot be a role model for any state that is not a prime maritime city-state as lee himself stated, you retard.
>>2652564A lot of what you said is already discussed here.
>>2652815>It is not more impressive than what has been achieved in PRC and it remains an utter dead end. The housing policy, compulsory savings policy, Meiji style investment in foreign education, and development banks are the most remarkable things. The former has inspired policy in Chongqing, while the last is common in many places to a lesser degree. FDI would probably be less in places without as much comparative advantage due to the port, or being a tax haven, or in the case of the other non-city state East Asian Tigers geopolitical significance. I said it before, but just because you have comparative advantage doesn't mean you're going to exploit it in a fashion that leads to development.
Increasing the savings rate, removing unproductive rent seeking, directly investing to catch up human capital, and directing domestic investment locally are all huge things that could be done.
>>2653672I think the problem is that like the (presumably) asian anon said over here,
>>2652564, the city has become more neoliberal over time. Also, its tax haven policy is distorting the economy and making the cost of living unaffordable for many Singaporeans over time.
These videos were actually decent despite the podcast channel name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBS3fAqY0lwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiC3ezjUkCk >>2653868also asianometry has many good videos on Singapore, he even made a playlist of his videos. They tend to lean positive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZEbejmz9Uw&list=PLKtxx9TnH76TS34YoUFNgTdAB1qNE4wTK >>2653868>the city has become more neoliberal over time. Also, its tax haven policy is distorting the economy and making the cost of living unaffordable for many Singaporeans over timeThis seems agreeable and well documented even though the city has something like three times the home ownership of NYC (with 80% the GDP PPP per capita) largely because of what remains of the policies.
>>2653615But what isn't really emphasized is the shifting narrative by and of PAP to suit current tastes, discarding and obfuscating history when needed.
>>2654044Yea home ownership is high but the newer homes are smaller and smaller than old ones, with people needing more and more government subsidies to get one. All of this is because HDB is being seen as an asset rather than a service.
>>2654305>But what isn't really emphasized is the shifting narrative by and of PAP to suit current tastes, discarding and obfuscating history when needed.fair enough
>>2652564Finally a decent post in an otherwise questionable thread
>despite exploiting the tariff situation like Carney and Albanese did.I'm curious to know how in your view Albanese has put the tariff situation to good use, aside from attempting (so far rather fruitlessly) to secure some concessions for the steelmaking and aluminium industries as well as agriculture, he has been far more meek and willing to turn the other cheek about the whole thing than Carney has.
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