/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2620808
Based Take Comrade, I can’t wait for there to be a Maoist PPW to overthrow the Controlled Opposition U$/Zionist Puppet State Fascist Iranian Theocracy and create a Persian SSR (which will join the future Global USSR created by a World Maoist PPW in either the more likely Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism or the less likely Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism), which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia in the Second Image I posted, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

This is because the entire “Axis of Resistance” of the “Islamic Republic of Iran”, “Hezbollah”, and “Hamas”, are Crypto-Zionist Controlled Opposition to U$ Imperialism and the Zionist State that promote Fascist Islamist Theocracy and Sunni-Shia sectarian conflict which has divided the Arab Nation, along with collaborating in the Genocidal U$ Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, with the latter overthrowing the great Leftist Arab Nationalist Baathist leader Saddam Hussein who sought to unite the Arab Nation into one country stretching from Morocco to Mesopotamia and from Syria to Sudan (The Arab SFSR that includes all of the ethnic Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa that is shown in my World Map of all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted), which caused the U$ and Zionist State to use the Mossad Mullah Iranian Theocracy as a proxy to wage War against Baathist Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, which contrary to the lies spread by Anti-Arab Bourgeois Zionist Historians, was a defensive War launched by Saddam Hussein to save Baathist Iraq from Shia Islamist Terrorism and to liberate the Oppressed Nation of Arabistan from Crypto-Zionist Anti-Arab Shia Islamist Theocratic Persian Fascism, with Baathist Iraq being a Socialist-leaning State backed by the USSR and Maoist China, while the Mossad Mullah Fascist Iranian Shia Islamist Theocracy was backed by the U$ and the Zionist State during Iran Contra (Spare parts to keep Iranian F-14s flying were shipped in from Tel Aviv using money from generated by the Anti-Communist Contras Crack trade that was also used to create the Fascist/Classist/Racist “War on Drugs” to incarcerate millions of New Afrikans while stopping Communist Revolution in Latin America), while Hamas was created by Mossad both to destroy Leftist Palestinian groups such as the Maoist DFLP and the Marxist-Leninist PFLP and as a bogeyman to “justify” the Apartheid Zionist Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza that prevents the creation of a Palestinian Arab State (that will eventually join the Arab SFSR of the future Global USSR created by a World Maoist PPW in either the more likely Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism or the less likely Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism) on the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land Swaps (Arab villages in the “Triangle” region https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!) as laid out in the Olmert/Lieberman Plans (The Mossad threw the Leftist Labor Zionist Ehud Olmert in prison on phony “Corruption” charges for presenting this Fair Two-State Solution to the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict, with Olmert being forcibly removed from power and replaced by the Genocidal Fascist Zionist Netanyahu who has ruled the Zionist State ever since) shown in the Maps in the Third Image I posted, with the October 7th attack being a Mossad False Flag designed to give a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza (and to guarantee that the Christian Zionist Nationalist Fascist Republican Trump won the 2024 U$ Presidential Election, which the Biden/Harris administration ensured by supporting the Zionist Genocide of Gaza), just like the CIA/Mossad 9/11 False Flag attack provided the Casus Belli for the Genocidal U$ Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (and the cover up of the CIA/Mossad/MI6/GRU Project Hammer that destroyed the USSR in coordination with the Khrushchevite Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Revisionist clique that poisoned Stalin and seized power in 1953 and included Gorbachev and Yeltsin who staged the False Flag 1991 “Coup Attempt” that dissolved the USSR) and the 1999 FSB/GRU Moscow Apartment Bombing False Flag attack provided the Casus Belli for the Genocidal Russian Imperialist Invasion of Chechnya and put the Controlled Opposition U$/Zionist Puppet Putin in power, so with all of these facts in consideration I can’t wait for the fall of the Fascist Iranian Theocracy in a Communist Revolution, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620811
Incredible analysis

No, Iran did not support the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. Iran officially opposed the invasion, viewing it as an act of American aggression and a potential threat to its own security, especially after President George W. Bush included Iran in the "axis of evil" in 2002.

### Historical Context
Iran and Iraq had been bitter enemies, fighting a devastating war from 1980 to 1988 initiated by Saddam Hussein's invasion of Iran, which caused over a million casualties and deep animosity. Saddam's regime was Sunni-dominated and secular Ba'athist, while Iran's was Shia theocratic, adding sectarian tensions.

### Iran's Stance on the Invasion
Iran publicly condemned the U.S.-led action and called for a major UN role in any post-war reconstruction. Iranian leaders across factions criticized the war, and there were no significant anti-war protests in Iran (unlike globally), partly because few Iranians mourned Saddam. However, this reflected schadenfreude over a hated enemy's downfall, not endorsement of the invasion.

### Tacit Benefits and Lack of Opposition
Iran quietly benefited from Saddam's removal, as it eliminated a major rival and created a power vacuum allowing Iran to expand influence through Shia political parties and militias (many with ties to Iran from exile during the 1980s). Post-invasion, Iran supported Shia insurgent groups against U.S. forces, contributing to the insurgency.

### No Direct Support to the U.S.
There was no military or diplomatic support from Iran to the U.S. coalition during the invasion phase. Brief U.S.-Iran cooperation occurred earlier (e.g., against the Taliban in Afghanistan post-9/11), but relations soured sharply by 2003.

### Strategic Outcome
The invasion inadvertently became a massive strategic windfall for Iran, enabling it to gain unprecedented influence in Iraq (often described as Iran being the "real winner" of the war). This was opportunistic exploitation of the chaos, not prior support.

In summary, while Iran welcomed Saddam's ouster privately and capitalized on it aggressively afterward, it did not support or aid the invasion itself—quite the opposite in official policy.

>>2620827
>>2620821
so true, comrade chatgpt!

bvsed anti-Iraqi imperialism alliance 🇺🇸🇮🇷

>>2620819
Thanks Comrade, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620821
>>2620827
Begone Bourgeois ChatGPT Bullshit Propaganda, as I said in my post at >>2620811 , the great Leftist Arab Nationalist Baathist leader Saddam Hussein sought to unite the Arab Nation into one country stretching from Morocco to Mesopotamia and from Syria to Sudan (The Arab SFSR that includes all of the ethnic Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa that is shown in my World Map of all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the first Image I posted at >>2620811 ), which caused the U$ and Zionist State to use the Mossad Mullah Iranian Theocracy as a proxy to wage War against Baathist Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, which contrary to the lies spread by Anti-Arab Bourgeois Zionist Historians, was a defensive War launched by Saddam Hussein to save Baathist Iraq from Shia Islamist Terrorism and to liberate the Oppressed Nation of Arabistan from Crypto-Zionist Anti-Arab Shia Islamist Theocratic Persian Fascism, with Baathist Iraq being a Socialist-leaning State backed by the USSR and Maoist China, while the Mossad Mullah Fascist Iranian Shia Islamist Theocracy was backed by the U$ and the Zionist State during Iran Contra (Spare parts to keep Iranian F-14s flying were shipped in from Tel Aviv using money from generated by the Anti-Communist Contras Crack trade that was also used to create the Fascist/Classist/Racist “War on Drugs” to incarcerate millions of New Afrikans while stopping Communist Revolution in Latin America), 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620832
I don't think Iran is all that good, but I don't think they are as bad as you portray them. Don't forget they supported Hezbollah in south Lebanon in driving the idf out, and keeping them in check.

free persia ✊️

>>2620835
For every 1 IDF soldier Hezbollah killed (accidentally), there are thousands of SHIA workers killed to maintain neoliberalism in Lebanon and Iraq for decades.

Try again

The current Islamic regime in Iran has killed thousands of communists, after they helped to overthrow the corrupt american puppet Shah. They also routinely execute LGBT people, make Bahai people "disappear", imprison women for not wearing islamic dress, etc.
Israel being a genocidal settler colonial ethnostate that routinely unjustly bombs Iran doesn't change that.
We must oppose Israel for its unprovoked attacks on Iran while using our intellegence to avoid falling for the delusions of anti-communistic campists.

>>2620842
>>2620844

And here I was thinking that (shia) Islam is a religion of resistance.

>>2620842
Hezbollah drove the idf out of Lebanon in 2000 and fought them to a stalemate in 2006
What the fuck are you talking about?

I am not a big fan of the Iranian government however I feel that any capitalist government that replaces it would be worse

>>2620855
>Hezbollah drove the idf out of Lebanon in 2000 and fought them to a stalemate in 2006
>What the fuck are you talking about?
So because they did some good things, that means they can't also do bad things? Hate to break it to you buddy but the world isn't so black and white.
Hezbollah defeated the IDF invaders (good) but they also assassinated Lebanese Marxists (bad).
Thats because they are motivated by a form of shiite jihadi ideology.
How is this difficult to comprehend?

>>2620861
This.

Lenin should've called off the revolution because the central powers and were happy about it :>
>>2620872
Iran is a neoliberal state the oil of which is owned by multinational companies including western ones

Every accusation by Islamists is a confession

>>2620874
>>2620878

Total Zionist death comes before anything else

>>2620882
Yes. Kill the cucktollah NOW!

>>2620886
I looked it up and the two state solution was part of the deal. So Iran would agree to stop funding the Palestinian only in case they get a state.

>>2620874
>Thats because they are motivated by a form of shiite jihadi ideology
holy libtard take

They kill Shia workers more than any other group in the world, retard. They're bourgeoisie dictatorship cloaked in Islam like every other regime in the world.

I never liked Iran and I don't really go for the whole axis of resistance or anti-imperialism memes but everything about this style of messaging just glows tbh. The Islamic Republic being a shitty regime or even a problem geopolitically is ultimately secondary to the fact that political struggle there would create an opportunity for western intel to fuck things up even worse than they already are, both in Iran and the region more broadly.

The largest conflict is the one to deal with first, because otherwise the smaller conflicts will be subsumed into that larger one.

>>2620840
>>2620842
>>2620844
>>2620874
>>2620875
>>2620878
>>2620881
>>2620886
Based Takes Comrades, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620855
The “Wars” between the Zionist State and “Hezbollah” (and the rest of the Crypto-Zionist “Axis of Resistance” including the “Islamic Republic of Iran” and “Hamas”) are Inter-Bourgeois Kabuki Theatre designed to keep Arab Proles brainwashed by Zionist Islamist Proxies like Hezbollah/Hamas and divided by Sunni-Shia Sectarian bullshit, in order to prevent the Baathist reunification of the Arab Nation in a Arab SFSR of the future Global USSR as shown in my Maps at >>2620811 , 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620861
This is a Mossad psyop designed to make the Controlled Opposition Crypto-Zionist U$/Zionist Puppet State Shia Islamist Iranian Fascist Theocracy look “Anti-Zionist” and make dumb Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Revisionist Marcyite Campists oppose the Communist Iranian Protestors that are trying to launch a Maoist PPW to overthrow the Controlled Opposition U$/Zionist Puppet State Fascist Iranian Theocracy and create a Persian SSR (which will join the future Global USSR created by a World Maoist PPW in either the more likely Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism or the less likely Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism), which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia in the Image I posted, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620890
>b-b-b-b–bbbut we asked for a token state in exchange of partaking in genocide
BVSED SAUDI ARABIA FOR SAYING THE SAME FOR SINCE THE 50s!111111

>>2620892
All of history is the history of good vs evil

they also run the biggest drugs and prostitution rings in the region

so much for muh izlam lmao

People itt unironcally smear the only organizations fighting the Zionist entity and calling them "controlled opposition"

>>2620900
They are a bourgeois state that killed millions of workers and is willing to kill millions more including Iranians, Shias, Palestinians, etc. Not 'controlled opposition'

>>2620900
The “Islamic Republic of Iran”, “Hezbollah”, and “Hamas”, are all Anti-Communist Theocratic Islamist Fascists created by Mossad and the CIA to crush Communism in the Middle East, destroy Baathist Iraq in order to prevent the great Leftist Arab Nationalist Baathist leader Saddam Hussein from reuniting the Arab Nation in one country while liberating Arabistan and Palestine (the West Bank and Gaza) from Shia Islamist Persian Fascism and Zionism, respectively, fracture the Arab Nation on Sunni-Shia Sectarian lines, and provide a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza through the October 7th False Flag Attack, thus making the “Islamic Republic of Iran”, “Hezbollah”, and “Hamas”, the textbook definition of Bourgeois Zionist Imperialist Comprador Controlled Opposition, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2620875
I know it's a neoliberal state, but what if it becomes a neoliberal state that likes America? Then we will be worse then when we started.

>>2620930
take meds campoid

>>2620891
There's nothing libtarded about saying political Islamists are in fact political Islamists. That doesn't preclude them from also being economical capitalists or from supporting a form of bourgeois government.
This is the second post in a row you've replied to me using highly reductive black and white thinking, to try to paint the idea that all organisations or people must be either entirely all good or all evil.
Such an understanding is rooted in misplaced mechanical materialist thinking instead of taking a dialectical approach.
I recommend you read Engel's pamphlet Socialism: Utopian and Scientific for a brief overview, or Mao's On Practice and On Contradiction for a more comprehensive understanding of the difference between mechanical and dialectical understanding of how the world works so you stop making this mistake.

>>2620909
THIS THIS THIS

>>2621007
Thanks Comrade, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2621006
refer to >>2620891 >>2620898

>>2620808
>Yeah I know which side I'm on
Israel's?

>>2621026
but I'm against the zionist cucktollah? >>2620886

Yes, Iran should've supported a Sunni theocracy that threw Shias from helicopters, openly talked about annexing Iranian Balochistan and facilitated smugglers and human traffickers entering Iranian borders in the name of Anti Imperialism

>>2620808
>Iran
Liberal
>Protesters
Liberal
>Israel
Liberal
>Palestinians
Liberal
>Axis of Rrsistance
Liberal

>>2621030
/thread

>>2621029
Iran already supports al-jolani?
wtf are you talking about

marxoids hate REAL anti imperialism (being cannon fodder for the US army in Kabul and Fallujah)

>>2620892
>The Islamic Republic being a shitty regime or even a problem geopolitically is ultimately secondary
Nah lmao

>>2620938
>>2621027
Why do you guys support amerikkka and want another syria? The opposition in iran is literally ten times worse.

>>2621097
They are the only ones in the middle east that are explicitly anti-israel, tell us how another syria cuck to israel state is gonna benefit us.

>>2621100
>>2621104
Assad had covert relations with Israel. Just like Iran :)

>>2621107
Yeah and? You prefer Jolani?

>>2620892
>>2620895
>>2621097
Reducing to people as pieces on a geopolitical chessboard is just humiliating. So much for people being the subjects of history. Doesn't anyone here ever think that's a rather cynical way of thinking? Leftists end up asking Iranians not to protest because there are strong forces around desperate to plunge the country into an abyss. But then the other problem is that the people might get sick of it and overthrow the government anyways (if the situation cannot continue then it won't) except the left will have no influence on the situation, it'll be Sunni Islamists like in Syria or monarchists in Iran who are the ones who actually take advantage of it because they're better organized. On the other hand, it probably doesn't really matter what people outside Iran think or do anyways.

>"Imperialist powers will take advantage of the protests, you need to stop that."
<"Woah, what, really? Oh man, I've never considered that before."

At any rate, the problem the Iranian opposition has is that they're not very well organized. They're pretty divided. Not particularly serious. This is what I read from Iranians who don't like the government. There are protests going on in Iran but there's not that many people involved yet in this current round according to what I've read and that signs are pointing to something more like the 2017-2018 (Dey 96) protests than the 2019-2020 (Aban 98) protests which were more serious. But we're also headed into the weekend so there might be more of it over the next 48 hours, so we'll see what happens.

>>2621110
>you prefer this cuck over that one ?
false dichotomy

>>2621118
Nope, one leads to the other. Another cuck state. Another Jolani.

>>2621115
>Ehh we are just some smoll beans uwu, please let us normalize relations with Israel, also we are tired of le imperialism we just want treats
If you do not care about literal genocide, then you have no right. Simple as.

>>2621131
Once again leftypol refusing to think in anything other than black and white. No concept of literal dialectics, no concept of fluidity. Anti-marxist to your core, eh?

>>2621115
>Reducing to people as pieces on a geopolitical chessboard is just humiliating.
Multipolaroids in a nutshell
>>2621131
>The legacy of the Palestiian genocide is to be a great alibi to justify liberalism like the Holocaust
LMAO

>>2621115
>please treat Iranian workers as humans
Kinda too much to ask for western incels
>>2621131
You're white

Dear 3rd-campists,

You support the protesters, yet no communists or socialists to be seen.

Tankie Party of USA

>>2620827
US intelligence literally consulted with Iran before the invasion lol. They also helped the US occupation directly in Afghanistan early on, so did Russia.

>>2621149
There are no Communists to be seen in the Iranian government either. "Support" from foreigners on the internet is literally meaningless but if any good can come out of all this it's that self-proclaimed Communists stop hanging all their hopes on campist cheerleading for bourgeois nationalists. It's an embarrassing relic of the Cold War and hasn't been remotely applicable since.

reminder

two more million dead workers and the 'color' revolutions will stop

peak anti imperialism praxis

>>2621172
Iranian maidan was the islamic revolution lmao

>>2621115
>So much for people being the subjects of history.
its social classes not "le people"

>>2621183
trvke, so tired of embarrassed democratics here

>>2621183
>social classes exist independently of people
>you also used le wrong word so your argument is toast!
pathetic

>>2621201
shadowboxing champion over here!

>>2621202
the people are the subject of history, classes are transient entities that evolve and change overtime, the idea of a unified people, however, doesn't change

>>2621201
>>2621203
>unironically arguing for a universal transhistorical abstract "da people"
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO read marx anytime

>>2621203
>classes are transient entities
Wrong. A social class is not an "entity", it refers to a relationship between people and the mode of production.

>>2621201
kys

>>2620909
>“Islamic Republic of Iran”, “Hezbollah”, and “Hamas”, the textbook definition of Bourgeois Zionist Imperialist Comprador Controlled Opposition, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!
This is satire right?

>Iran is actually besties with US and Israel, when they bomb each other they're just pretending
Insane cope to obscure the fact that communism (and any other kind of secular left wing politics or even nationalism) has been dead and useless for decades in the middle east.

>>2621223
>genocides communist
>"heh… class struggle doesn't exist over there silly marxoid… all browns are the same"
>"also if this neoliberal state that murder and rape workers falls it will be replace by. umm uhhh.. a neoliberal state but LE EVIL"
free iran

>>2621229
>genocides communist
Loser cope typical of anarchists. Oh no everything would've been great if those Stalinists hadn't defeated us. We would've won if we hadn't lost. Who could've predicted this. Where are the communist or secular left wing "real" resistance? How come they have 0 organic support among the populations of these countries? Succdem Fatah is an Israeli comprador regime. PFLP and their splinter groups subordinated themselves to the "fake resistance" Iran and Syria and Saddam for the gibs. Syrian left wing groups entered a fake "coalition" with the ba'ath party. SDF aligned themselves with US and are by all accounts unpopular among the arab population they now rule over. Palestinian Maoists became Islamists and started PIJ. And where is the international communist movement? Maybe these groups wouldn't have needed to go to Iran/Syria to beg for support if "communist China" was anywhere to be found. The left has only itself to blame.

>class struggle doesn't exist over there
Shit nobody said

>>2621244
<le everyone i don't like is le anarchist!!!!!111
you have to grow up sometime, non.

>>2621244
>Loser cope
Btw the same thing applies to the AoR-heads when they repeatedly make the same old excuses whenever they fumble yet again due to their own incompetence.

>>2621263
>now excuse me while I go cry about the USSR collapsing and jack off to alt hist about everything in ML history going differently
Shit nobody said not an "ML" btw

No, fuck you, fuck your shah and death to Israel

>>2621281
this

>>2621281
cucktollah sold oil to israel and offered to normalize… things that i didn't do :/

>>2621115
The only issue with these protests is the failure of the Iranian communists to lead them.
Lenin:
>Whoever degrades the tasks of the political struggle transforms the Social-Democrat from a tribune of the people into a trade union secretary. Whoever degrades the proletarian tasks in a democratic bourgeois revolution transforms the Social-Democrat from a leader of the people’s revolution into a leader of a free labour union.

>Yes, the people’s revolution. Social-Democracy has fought, and is quite rightly fighting against the bourgeois-democratic abuse of the word “people.” It demands that this word shall not be used to cover up failure to understand the class antagonisms within the people. It insists categorically on the need for complete class independence for the party of the proletariat. But it divides the “people” into “classes,” not in order that the advanced class may become shut up within itself, confine itself to narrow aims and emasculate its activity for fear that the economic rulers of the world will recoil, but in order that the advanced class, which does not suffer from the halfheartedness, vacillation and indecision of the intermediate classes, may with all the greater energy and enthusiasm fight for the cause of the whole of the people, at the head of the whole of the people.

>That is what the present-day new-Iskraists so often fail to understand and why they substitute for active political slogans in the democratic revolution a mere pedantic repetition of the word “class,” parsed in all genders and cases!

<The democratic revolution is a bourgeois revolution. The slogan of a Black Redistribution, or “land and liberty”—this most widespread slogan of the peasant masses, down trodden and ignorant, yet passionately yearning for light and happiness—is a bourgeois slogan. But we Marxists should know that there is not, nor can there be, any other path to real freedom for the proletariat and the peasantry, than the path of bourgeois freedom and bourgeois progress. We must not forget that there is not, nor can there be, at the present time, any other means of bringing Socialism nearer, than complete political liberty, than a democratic republic, than the revolutionary-democratic dictatorship of the proletariat and the peasantry. As the representatives of the advanced and only revolutionary class, revolutionary without reservations, doubts or looking back, we must present to the whole of the people, as widely, as boldly and with the utmost initiative possible, the tasks of the democratic revolution. To degrade these tasks in theory means making a travesty of Marxism, distorting it in philistine fashion, while in practical politics it means delivering the cause of the revolution into the hands of the bourgeoisie, which will inevitably recoil from the task of consistently carrying out the revolution.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/tactics/ch13.htm

>>2621291
You seem upset that it didn't happen Shekelstein.

>>2621306
both happened schizo

Those who criticize Iran for executing communists forget that the Iranian government did so for understandable reasons. Communists and leftists of various stripes (even Maoists) were included in the parliamentary committee that drafted the Islamic Republic's constitution. They all overwhelmingly voted for an Islamic government. The purges didn't begin until after the Hafte Tir bombing, where a fringe leftist faction killed off half the Iranian cabinet. The largest left wing faction the Mojahedin e Khalq sided with Saddam and even assisted in the invasion of Iran. These are the conditions that lead to the purge. One shouldn't forget that many of the so-called Islamic Marxists were left unmolested and many ran the Khomeini era economy and would go on to be the base for what became the Green Movement.

As for the claim that the Iranian state executes LGBT people. This is so laughable. Iran is one of the world's leading countries for transgender surgery. Sure, there's homophobia and anti-homosexual laws in Iran but those laws are hardly enforced. The majority of cases where a man has been executed for homosexuality were in fact rape cases. In that sense, Iran isn't different from the rest of the world.

What leftists should be taking away from Iran is this: in this century, a Leninist revolution and a revolutionary state is impossible. The global powers are just too hegemonic and so you'll be blockaded, starved, bombed, and your sovereignty trampled upon until your government collapses. Iran could be Marxist state and exactly the same thing would happen. The real take away is that revolution aimed at seizing the state simply doesn't work anymore, unless it happens in China or the US which are great power nations. In a sense, Marx was correct to say that revolution could only occur in Germany or England, because a socialist revolution in a smaller country like Belgium would be suffocated. Even Russia was a weak power.

Revolution doesn't work anymore.

>>2621321
>What leftists should be taking away from Iran is this: in this century, a Leninist revolution and a revolutionary state is impossible. The global powers are just too hegemonic and so you'll be blockaded, starved, bombed, and your sovereignty trampled upon until your government collapses. Iran could be Marxist state and exactly the same thing would happen. The real take away is that revolution aimed at seizing the state simply doesn't work anymore, unless it happens in China or the US which are great power nations. In a sense, Marx was correct to say that revolution could only occur in Germany or England, because a socialist revolution in a smaller country like Belgium would be suffocated. Even Russia was a weak power.
What is the alternative then, the pedagogy, the praxis? What countries can have evolution? India? Algeria? Brazil?
>Revolution doesn't work anymore.

>>2621325
>What is the alternative then

War of position

>>2621326
>War of position
But will that not inevitably result in the collapse of Marxism? Fascism tends to rise because of it's consequences. What countries do you think are primed for that?

It's totally organic guys, no foreign subervision here.

>>2620808
actively pressing the international proletariat button rn!

>>2621329
>But will that not inevitably result in the collapse of Marxism?

What do you mean? War of position is when you try to convince the populace of a developed capitalist state, where the hegemony is strong and outright revolution is impossible, to join the communist cause.

>Fascism tends to rise because of it's consequences.

Again, what do you mean?

>What countries do you think are primed for that?

The USA

>>2621321
The claim that "Iran killed communists" is also laughable in and of itself when you actually do even the most surface level of investigation. The Islamic Republic never killed communists, but Tudehs, a French Trotskyite sect that wanted Iran to be a NATO colony. The actual communists, that is to say Marxist Leninists, converted to Twelver Shiism because in Iran that is where the revolutionary proletariat is. Yet hasbara still pushes the myth that Iran is anti-communist

>>2621325
The issue with searching for alternatives is that the challenges you are confronted with challenge your entrenched worldview. Marx has enormous value as an critical economist and philosopher, but Marxism is dead end. The kind of atheistic materialist social science that Marxist politics is based on is falling apart and isn't defensible anymore. So communist praxis is underwritten by incorrect and flawed theory which leads to political failure.

Marxist idea of revolution (one which Iran's Islamists copies) was modeled on revolutionary France. For Marxists, revolution is the big way that social systems change and for the most part the only way. This blinds them to other ways of resisting and changing social relations. A really good example of an alternative is actually the traditional Muslim Brotherhood. What the Brotherhood used to do was build an alternative society that's separate from the institutions of state and capital, a counter-society. So they ran their own free clinics, free schools, sports clubs, gyms, hiking groups, creating an alternative public space where people were outside the control of the state. They could then use this to undermine state power by building alternatives to it. This is what made them very effective. Marxists are so hung up on revolution, they never bothered doing anything like this. Marxists expect social change to just pop out of thin air when one class decides to do something.

>>2621329
Marxism has already collapsed as a viable political movement outside of East Asia and parts of Latin America. In Latin America, they survived by revising core Marxist principals, something most Western Marxists adamantly refuse to do. If you go read Jacobin or the New Left Review, you quickly see that Western and American Marxists are really reactionaries who want to revive either old fashioned social democracy or some kind of watered down Stalinism. So they are actually conservatives.

>>2621321
>Those who criticize Iran for executing communists forget that the Iranian government did so for understandable reasons.
cracker i don't care what the reason is, we are communists, and fellow comrades being executed is BAD.
>Communists and leftists of various stripes (even Maoists) were included in the parliamentary committee that drafted the Islamic Republic's constitution.
how does this matter. this was not a marxist constitution, and they refused to overthrow the islamic government despite iran very much fostering the conditions for revolution.
>The largest left wing faction the Mojahedin e Khalq sided with Saddam and even assisted in the invasion of Iran.
good? revolutionary defeatism is a good thing as it turns out, and they were right in doing so, as the iranian government was a tyrannical CAPITALIST government
>As for the claim that the Iranian state executes LGBT people. This is so laughable. (…) but those laws are hardly enforced.
dog. they rarely execute them but they just toss them in prison lol
>Iran is one of the world's leading countries for transgender surgery.
??? this is in order to restrict homosexuality, if you're a het trans person, You Are Going To Die
>in this century, a Leninist revolution and a revolutionary state is impossible.
ahistorical statement, read marx on historical materialism
>In a sense, Marx was correct to say that revolution could only occur in Germany or England
he said this because these countries' capitalist systems were far more developped

>>2621343
>cracker i don't care what the reason is, we are communists, and fellow comrades being executed is BAD
see >>2621337
Communists (not leftists) in Iran are already in power in as far as the material conditions and national character of Iran allow them to be

>>2621346
Lol campists literally do think of the third world as Dune don't they? Is your position actually that Iran doesn't have mature capitalist relations?

>>2621343
>good?
Helping a foreign invader kill your people with sarin gas is the best way to gain support among the population and lead a revolution. That's why the MEK is so popular in Iran nowadays and not at all an irrelevant cult, hated even by anti-regime Iranian exiles.

>>2621343
>not a marxist constitution
Where did Marx lay out his ideas for a constitution? What even is a Marxist constitution? When the Islamic Republic's constitution was written, the parliamentary committee consulted the constitutions of China and communist Bulgaria. Ayatollah Beheshti (a leading Islamist and Khomeini's wingman) was in favor of simply cloning the Chinese or Yugoslav constitution but replacing the word 'communism' with 'Islam.' Ironically, he would be assassinated by leftist group, the event that triggered the anti-communist purges amid the war with Iraq. All in all, the Iranian revolution was a collaboration of different ideological factions but the communists (many of them Trots, Stalinists, Hoxhaists, or Masud Rajavi's personal cult) simply couldn't get along with everyone else. They just couldn't share power and screwed themselves over by making personal power grabs which made them traitors to the revolution in the eyes of many Iranians.

>the iranian government was a tyrannical CAPITALIST government
Iran in the 80s was very left leaning on the economy. It was state run, re-distribution focused, heavy on welfare, and some Islamist leaders looked to socialist countries such as Yugoslavia for inspiration. This is why the bonyads (charitable foundations turned monopolies) gained so much power in Iran's economy. This was a system that communists of various sects participated in, supported, sometimes criticized, but they were part of it. The split came because of communist factionalism, their inability to get along with each other or anyone else.

>this is in order to restrict homosexuality, if you're a het trans person, You Are Going To Die
Funny how this old transphobic canard has become a legitimate way for progressives to bash Iran. Of course, the Iranians are no angels but this constant rolling out of LGBT people as poor hapless victims of Islamists always smelled funny to me. Its a very unnuanced take and the basic point is to say that any ideology except the ideology of the one making the accusation is inherently illegitimate and threatening to LGBT people and so it doesn't have a right to exist. This is a very liberal line of thinking.

>historical materialism
Marx never used the phrase historical materialism. The systematic doctrine called historical materialism was not formulated by Marx but his followers who came after him. Its kinda silly to accuse me of being ahistorical. Virtually every revolution of the 20th century failed or ended up like Cuba, North Korea, and Iran. The Leninist model of revolution has a track record of no longer working. It only worked twice (Russia, China) and in the Russia case it all fell apart. Its like trying to fight a war with a sword. It might have worked years ago, its silly to use one now.

why cant amerimutts protest like the iranians.

>>2621321
>Revolution doesn't work anymore.
>>2621338
>Marxism is dead end
ok thanks for your 'analysis' Langley

>>2621382
lmao like anyone at langley cares about the spread of Marxism. The Cold War is over anon.

>>2621115
>Reducing to people as pieces on a geopolitical chessboard is just humiliating. So much for people being the subjects of history.
The Iranian people aren't Great Men who can make whatever history they want. They like everyone else are limited by the context they are in. The world is like a chessboard in the sense that cause and effect is real and you have to make move strategically to get the outcome you want, instead of operating on vibes like you are doing.

>Doesn't anyone here ever think that's a rather cynical way of thinking?
Realpolitik is cynical because the world is cynical. You can't just wish it into being a nice place.
>On the other hand, it probably doesn't really matter what people outside Iran think or do anyways.
It matters what the CIA, Mossad, and western militaries are doing.

The workers' movement must be independent of the bourgeoisie without exception, and its party must be centered on the proletariat as the class that will assume power as the ruling class, with other working classes acting in common for the supremacy of the proletariat. State capitalism is superior to private capitalism, and if there is any demand from liberals to give independence to the national bank or spread ignorance with anti-corruption slogans to privatize the economy or call for financial responsibility, then communists must attack these individuals for serving capitalist imperialism and wanting to destroy the economic sovereignty of their country.

First, let's begin by understanding what imperialist capitalism is, with Lenin:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

Now let's look at his position on the types of countries as examples at the time Lenin wrote about the self-determination of nations and capitalist imperialism:

<6. Three Types of Countries in Relation to Self-Determination of Nations
<In this respect, countries must be divided into three main types:

<First, the advanced capitalist countries of Western Europe and the United States of America. In these countries the bourgeois, progressive, national movements came to an end long ago. Every one of these “great” nations oppresses other nations in the colonies and within its own country. The tasks of the proletariat of these ruling nations are the same as those of the proletariat in England in the nineteenth century in relation to Ireland.

<Secondly, Eastern Europe: Austria, the Balkans and particularly Russia. Here it was the twentieth century that particularly developed the bourgeois-democratic national movements and intensified the national struggle. The tasks of the proletariat in these countries—in regard to the consummation of their bourgeois-democratic reformation, as well as in regard to assisting the socialist revolution in other countries—cannot be achieved unless it champions the right of nations to self-determination. In this connection the most difficult but most important task is to merge the class struggle of the workers in the oppressing nations with the class struggle of the workers in the oppressed nations.

<Thirdly, the semi-colonial countries, like China, Persia, Turkey, and all the colonies, which have a combined population amounting to a billion. In these countries the bourgeois-democratic movements have either hardly begun, or are far from having been completed. Socialists must not only demand the unconditional and immediate liberation of the colonies without compensation—and this demand in its political expression signifies nothing more nor less than the recognition of the right to self-determination—but must render determined support to the more revolutionary elements in the bourgeois-democratic movements for national liberation in these countries and assist their rebellion—and if need be, their revolutionary war—against the imperialist powers that oppress them.

<V. I. Lenin, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination, 1916

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm#fwV22P151F01

Now regarding the issue of wars and the opportunists who obscure the truth by trying to defend imperialist capitalist finance capital that maintains dependency to intensify exploitation. I'm only posting this to avoid confusion if someone is reading what I wrote trying to equate the war of a puppet of imperialist capitalism that uses chauvinism against the Russian population with the right of Palestinians to use violence against Israel to acquire economic sovereignty:

<In short: a war between imperialist Great Powers (i.e., powers that oppress a whole number of nations and enmesh them in dependence on finance capital, etc.), or in alliance with the Great Powers, is an imperialist war. Such is the war of 1914–16. And in this war “defence of the fatherland” is a deception, an attempt to justify the war.

<A war against imperialist, i.e., oppressing, powers by oppressed (for example, colonial) nations is a genuine national war. It is possible today too. “Defence of the fatherland” in a war waged by an oppressed nation against a foreign oppressor is not a deception. Socialists are not opposed to “defence of the fatherland” in such a war.

<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 1. The Marxist Attitude Towards War and “Defence of the Fatherland"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/1.htm#v23pp64h-029

Now a text against those opportunists who equate every war as if it were "inter-imperialist" to defend US hegemony:

<Advanced European (and American) capitalism has entered a new era of imperialism. Does it follow from that that only imperialist wars are now possible? Any such contention would be absurd. It would reveal inability to distinguish a given concrete phenomenon from the sum total of variegated phenomena possible in a given era.

<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 2. “Our Understanding of the New Era”

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/2.htm#v23pp64h-036

Remember that any violence by a subjugated population without even bourgeois rights under imperialist capitalism is acceptable in order to acquire economic sovereignty. You can see this with Marx accepting the separation of Ireland from England if the alternative is the continuation of the subjugation and exploitation of Irish workers, as long as it is not possible to organize English and Irish workers because of English chauvinism that deceives workers into not acquiring solidarity, then separation is an acceptable alternative so that in the future a socialist federation can be formed with more equal relations between Irish and English, but remembering that the ideal would be to organize English and Irish workers together for a socialist revolution acting together. This already helps to understand the position of defending the self-determination of nations that Lenin wrote.

The Iranian government developed its capitalism independently despite sanctions; this is a positive point and should not be reversed by liberals. It supported the Palestinian resistance, upholding their right to resist, which aligns with Lenin's statement as a progressive position useful to anti-imperialism. The Iranian government exists as an alternative to the influence of the Gulf monarchies, which are integrated with the interests of capitalist imperialism and US hegemony. However, I would consider the Arab socialism of the left-wing Baathists, which was Syria before the overthrow of Assad, as more progressive and useful for communists to use against the Gulf monarchies. Another positive point is the support for multipolarity, which helps communists achieve economic sovereignty in countries around the world, minimizing the effect of sanctions and economic blockades in the future.

I'll leave a warning quote for those romanticizing depoliticized spontaneity who try to seek an "organic" movement against the "authoritarianism" of building the workers' movement for proletarian domination, defending economic sovereignty, and democratizing with popular councils for greater participation in the economy without letting politicians and so-called "technocrats" negotiate behind closed doors with the bourgeoisie. This is why the workers' movement must be independent of the bourgeoisie without exception and never return to generic discourses of "corruption" that demonstrate co-optation by the bourgeoisie to privatize and surrender as lackeys to the financial capital of capitalist imperialism.

>>2620808
Read what I posted here:
>>2621444
Now continuing what I wrote.

This quote comes from Lenin:

<Since there can be no talk of an independent ideology formulated by the working masses themselves in the process of their movement,[15] the only choice is — either bourgeois or socialist ideology. There is no middle course (for mankind has not created a “third” ideology, and, moreover, in a society torn by class antagonisms there can never be a non-class or an above-class ideology). Hence, to belittle the socialist ideology in any way, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology. There is much talk of spontaneity. But the spontaneous development of the working-class movement leads to its subordination to bourgeois ideology, to its development along the lines of the Credo programme; for the spontaneous working-class movement is trade-unionism, is Nur-Gewerkschaftlerei, and trade unionism means the ideological enslavement of the workers by the bourgeoisie. Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy. The sentence employed by the authors of the Economist letter published in Iskra, No. 12, that the efforts of the most inspired ideologists fail to divert the working-class movement from the path that is determined by the interaction of the material elements and the material environment is therefore tantamount to renouncing socialism. If these authors were capable of fearlessly, consistently, and thoroughly considering what they say, as everyone who enters the arena of literary and public activity should be, there would be nothing left for them but to “fold their useless arms over their empty breasts” and surrender the field of action to the Struves and Prokopoviches, who are dragging the working-class movement “along the line of least resistance”, i.e., along the line of bourgeois trade-unionism, or to the Zubatovs, who are dragging it along the line of clerical and gendarme “ideology”.

<Let us recall the example of Germany. What was the historic service Lassalle rendered to the German working-class movement? It was that he diverted that movement from the path of progressionist trade-unionism and co-operativism towards which it had been spontaneously moving (with the benign assistance of Schulze-Delitzsch and his like). To fulfil such a task it was necessary to do something quite different from talking of underrating the spontaneous element, of tactics-as-process, of the interaction between elements and environment, etc. A fierce struggle against spontaneity was necessary, and only after such a struggle, extending over many years, was it possible, for instance, to convert the working population of Berlin from a bulwark of the progressionist party into one of the finest strongholds of Social-Democracy. This struggle is by no means over even today (as might seem to those who learn the history of the German movement from Prokopovich, and its philosophy from Struve). Even now the German working class is, so to speak, split up among a number of ideologies. A section of the workers is organised in Catholic and monarchist trade unions; another section is organised in the Hirsch-Duncker[33] unions, founded by the bourgeois worshippers of English trade-unionism; the third is organised in Social-Democratic trade unions. The last-named group is immeasurably more numerous than the rest, but the Social-Democratic ideology was able to achieve this superiority, and will be able to maintain it, only in an unswerving struggle against all other ideologies.

<But why, the reader will ask, does the spontaneous movement, the movement along the line of least resistance, lead to the domination of bourgeois ideology? For the simple reason that bourgeois ideology is far older in origin than socialist ideology, that it is more fully developed, and that it has at its disposal immeasurably more means of dissemination.[16] And the younger the socialist movement in any given country, the more vigorously it must struggle against all attempts to entrench non-socialist ideology, and the more resolutely the workers must be warned against the bad counsellors who shout against “overrating the conscious element”, etc. The authors of the Economist letter, in unison with Rabocheye Dyelo, inveigh against the intolerance that is characteristic of the infancy of the movement. To this we reply: Yes, our movement is indeed in its infancy, and in order that it may grow up faster, it must become imbued with intolerance against those who retard its growth by their subservience to spontaneity. Nothing is so ridiculous and harmful as pretending that we are “old hands” who have long ago experienced all the decisive stages of the struggle.

<Thirdly, the first issue of Rabochaya Mysl shows that the term “Economism” (which, of course, we do not propose to abandon, since, in one way or another, this designation has already established itself) does not adequately convey the real character of the new trend. Rabochaya Mysl does not altogether repudiate the political struggle; the rules for a workers’ mutual benefit fund published in its first issue contain a reference to combating the government. Rabochaya Mysl believes, however, that “politics always obediently follows economics” (Rabocheye Dyelo varies this thesis when it asserts in its programme that “in Russia more than in any other country, the economic struggle is inseparable from the political struggle”). If by politics is meant Social-Democratic politics, then the theses of Rabochaya Mysl and Rabocheye Dyelo are utterly incorrect. The economic struggle of the workers is very often connected (although not inseparably) with bourgeois politics, clerical politics, etc., as we have seen. Rabocheye Dyelo’s theses are correct, if by politics is meant trade union politics, viz., the common striving of all workers to secure from the government measures for alleviating the distress to which their condition gives rise, but which do not abolish that condition, i.e., which do not remove the subjection of labour to capital. That striving indeed is common to the English trade-unionists, who are hostile to socialism, to the Catholic workers, to the “Zubatov” workers, etc. There is politics and politics. Thus, we see that Rabochaya Mysl does not so much deny the political struggle, as it bows to its spontaneity, to its unconsciousness. While fully recognising the political struggle (better: the political desires and demands of the workers), which arises spontaneously from the working-class movement itself, it absolutely refuses independently to work out a specifically Social-Democratic politics corresponding to the general tasks of socialism and to present-day conditions in Russia.

[…]

<Footnotes:

<[15] This does not mean, of course, that the workers have no part in creating such an ideology. They take part, however, not as workers, but as socialist theoreticians, as Proudhons and Weitlings; in other words, they take part only when they are able, and to the extent that they are able, more or less, to acquire the knowledge of their age and develop that knowledge. But in order that working men may succeed in this more often, every effort must be made to raise the level of the consciousness of the workers in general; it is necessary that the workers do not confine themselves to the artificially restricted limits of “literature for workers” but that they learn to an increasing degree to master general literature. It would be even truer to say “are not confined”, instead of “do not confine themselves”, because the workers themselves wish to read and do read all that is written for the intelligentsia, and only a few (bad) intellectuals believe that it is enough “for workers” to be told a few things about factory conditions and to have repeated to them over and over again what has long been known. —Lenin

<[16] It is often said that the working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism. This is perfectly true in the sense that socialist theory reveals the causes of the misery of the working class more profoundly and more correctly than any other theory, and for that reason the workers are able to assimilate it so easily, provided, however, this theory does not itself yield to spontaneity, provided it subordinates spontaneity to itself. Usually this is taken for granted, but it is precisely this which Rabocheye Dyelo forgets or distorts. The working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism; nevertheless, most widespread (and continuously and diversely revived) bourgeois ideology spontaneously imposes itself upon the working class to a still greater degree. —Lenin

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, BURNING QUESTIONS of our MOVEMENT, II The Spontaneity of the Masses and the Consciousness of the Social-Democrats

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm

Remember that the successful communist revolutions were in countries allied with the West, in the case of Russia with the British Empire, and not with the Triple Alliance, and this requires the chaos of a multipolar world so that the puppets of capitalist imperialism cannot maintain themselves properly. Another point to remember is that capitalism has already developed in the world and feudalism no longer exists; even so, state capitalism should be defended as superior to private capitalism and will be useful for the dictatorship of the proletariat to socialize the economy.

>>2621321
I hope Khomeini dies ASAP

>>2621507
He died like 30+ years ago

every protester dead is one less mossad agent in the world

>>2620894
when have the saudi armed and trained the palestinian resistance (including the communist factions) though?

>>2621281
based

>>2621379
lack of mossad funding

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>2621512
*in Brotherhood of Nod voice*
>Khomeini LIVES

>>2621770
Ehh

>>2621770
I hope the IRGC will crush those Zionist skulls good

If the Islamic republic falls there's good chance Iran will balkanize, which is not good for the people there.

>>2621770
Iranian opposition, much like russian or chinese liberals or cuban/venezuelan gusanos, is a death cult that simply wants their countrymen to die and suffer en masse as an atonement for not being western and progressive enough.
Lenin >>2621169 could have never in his wildest nightmares predicted that in 100 years popular protests could be co-opted by people whose program is "I actively want to get my country enslaved to western corporations making everything significantly worse so that I could play Roblox and eat at McDonalds"

Is libya communist yet?

What the US and Israel are doing is something which the Islamic republic should have done. Trump threatens intervention to support protestors, Iran should have intervened when the genocide started to support the Palestinians.

Why does Iran only does anything when provoked (and even that's not always true) instead of being on the initiative, proactive? This has been driving me mad when they refused to support Hezbollah to avoid direct conflict with Israel and America, but they attacked Iran anyway a couple of months after!!!

>>2621786
>Lenin >>2621169 could have never in his wildest nightmares predicted that in 100 years popular protests could be co-opted by people whose program is "I actively want to get my country enslaved to western corporations making everything significantly worse so that I could play Roblox and eat at McDonalds"
bro
He literally talks about bourgeois astroturfed nationalist movements in his back and forth with Rosa Luxemburg

>>2621789
IRAN IS COMPED

>>2621793
>comped

?

>Iran’s authorities announced the appointment of a new central bank governor and declared an additional public holiday, seeking to contain protests by business owners and students that have continued for several days and were triggered by a surge in living costs and a sharp collapse of the national currency.

>The protests—described as the largest in several years—began on Sunday, when shop owners in Tehran’s commercial district shut their businesses in protest at the economic situation. Traders at the historic Grand Bazaar soon joined them.

<On Tuesday, the protests entered a third consecutive day, with students from several universities in Tehran and other cities taking to the streets. Videos circulating on social media captured chants such as “death to the dictator.” According to unconfirmed media reports, some participants were briefly detained. At the same time, regime supporters staged counter-rallies in several cities.
Protests led by Businessmen and students on social media, nothing suspicious going on here!
https://sfg.media/en/a/iran-replaces-central-bank-governor-rial-collapse-inflation-above-40-percent/

>>2620808
A spiriyu successor to Mossadegh would be the ideal but the current opposition to the Islamic Republic are such vile and disgusting reactionary nation-wrecking sellout racist zionist shills that this alone makes me support the Supreme Leader

>>2621381
Iran supported the Iraq war that's why I hope it collapses internally.

Sorry you like killing brown people so much

I hope this is a lesson for all of you not to ally with islamists, they'll just kill you then turn the country into a shithole. Also notice how I don't need 6 thousand words to make a statement. You writing long droning paragraphs isn't a sign of intelligence, it's a sign you never learned how to write concisely.

>>2621796
Compromised. They are paid like everyone else. Maybe a part of the same club. The entire middle east is full of cucks if you haven't noticed. Outside of yemen, no one is doing shit.

Which tells me that whatever event may or may not happen on U.S. 1000's of miles away is a false flag.

Just today the FBI admitted to grooming a kid on discord by impersonating ISIS, and then after a year arrested him and counted that as a win.

>>2621853
>I hope this is a lesson for all of you not to ally with islamists, they'll just kill you then turn the country into a shithole.

Even in your worst framing of Islam, you literally describe the current regime.