Then an actual conflict happens, and the western affiliated side just effortlessly wipes the floor with their global south opposition and shocks and humiliates them. The /pol/tards creep away, only to return a few weeks later and do it all again pretending like their previous humiliation never happened
>US BTFOing Wagner/Assadists in Syria (earliest example I can think of of this effect)
>Solemaini circus
>Ukraine war clusterfuck
>Operation Grim Beeper
>Collapse of Assad
>12 day war in Iran/Iran strike
>Venezuela
Honestly it seems that "quiet" is their greatest asset, for it lets them brag and live out their fantasies of supremacy without reality interfering. It's why the /pol/ influence was strongest here in the late 2010s and early 2020s.
This is all very confusing. Even the El Chapo shoot out was way more dramatic.
My personal conspiracy theory is that even the PSUV was getting tired of the bus driver. A backroom deal to throw Maduro out solves so many issues for everyone involved. Trump gets an easy win and some shoring up for low oil prices, the Venezuelan government can finally reintroduce the foreign experts they need to actually exploit their oil, the Venezuelan socialists can now hold Maduro up as a martyr and proof of the inexorable yankee aggression towards Latin America. The only loser is the US state department which will have the headache of trying to convince foreign nations that the US is still reliable while under an admin that treats their department like a joke, but Trump likely doesn't care because for him long term foreign policy objectives are subordinate to his own domestic reputation. I mean it's downright bizarre to take Maduro and then (seemingly as of this moment) just fuck off to let his VP take charge without so much as getting anything for the actual Venezuelan opposition, iirc Trump even said that Venezuela isn't ready for the opposition party to take over. I feel like my thinking on this is highly conspiratorial, but to me this seems like the natural follow-up for this is an uneasy detente where the PSUV is able to continue grinding out its control over Venezuela with a more stabilized oil industry at the cost of some humiliation.
63 posts and 1 image reply omitted.Also you're welcome because yeah, assuming you're reading posts in bad faith is assuming you're not just retarded, a kindness I extend from my pure beautiful heart
So what can Russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation?
>well they could learn how to conduct decapitation strikes, for one. i doubt they will.
<Venezuela hasn't been decapped
>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.
<Relevance? Venezuela hasn't been defeated by Maduro's kidnapping
>I just think it would be neat if they did it
<Like Maduro's?
Then the seething starts about being maliciously misinterpreted but instead of clarifications of the actual point being made, derailing about "Counterfactual conditional"s somehow removing context or bait about Putinists
>>2627858Dunno about this case, but with past cases I've been pretty sure it's malicious misinterpretation. They don't like the valid criticism, so they malicious misinterpret to derail or have ban hammers dropped.
>>2627865Now you're outright lying, and the mods should take a look at you.
The response to "I just think it would be neat if they did it" was not "Like Maduro's?" requesting clarification. It was instead the disingenuous ">Maduro's kidnapping was neat
Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess."
>>2627868You have to be way far up your own ass to think this shitfit you (and others apparently) have thrown about a misinterpretation you don't wish to clarify
for some reason paints you in a good light against the "Putinists"
>>2627865>>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.do you not parse this as a clarification, it even starts with "i mean" to clarify what i meant, and it explains it's about zelensky. are you really that stupid?
>>2627872Feel free to report if you believe there's a fundamental difference there and the mods care about refereeing that.
>>2627877Relevance? Venezuela hasn't been defeated by Maduro's kidnapping
>>2627865Also: Aside from outright lying, you have no presented the links in the chain of conversation like
>>2627856.
>>2627883Again, if you want the mods to come and make a determination about whether
>>2627865 is an unfair reading of the conversation, just report. After all, they will have a better idea of which posts belong to whom than we would.
>My personal conspiracy theory is that even the PSUV was getting tired of the bus driver.
Not interested in your personal cope theories.
>>2627877You have quite plainly lied and said that the response to ">I just think it would be neat if they did it" in post
>>2627750 was "<Like Maduro's?".
Here's the response in post
>>2627755:
">Maduro's kidnapping was neat
Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess"
>>2627881I think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky
>>2627894I can't even parse your retarded diatribe
>>2627894The context of the discussion related to Maduro's capture, it's not my fault that anon didn't like when that context applies to "I think it would be neat if they (Russia) did it (kidnapping Zelensky)" and then proceeds to have a hissy fit demanding that comment be taken out of context of the thread as well as his own preceding posts.
>>2627895Out of context post?
Blackest reaction and so on…
>>2627900I don't think it is, the question is "what can russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation" and I answered "they should learn how to conduct a decapitation strike", there's some jest to it because it implies the reason zelensky, the leader of an enemy combatant in an actual protracted conflict that has turned into a battle of attrition, hasn't been captured is due to Putin's own incompetence. I can't believe someone needs this level of explanation for a single post, I think my wit is wasted on this board. Needing to overexplain every single post like I'm chatGPT answering some geriatric in some asylum on how to turn on the computer just kills the fun.
>>2627898Yes, they're saying that Zelensky's kidnapping would be neat, not that Maduro's kidnapping was neat. The counterfactual grammar supports that it was Zelensky being implicitly referred to, and the simple chain of conversation following the quote links shows that it was Zelensky being explicitly referred to. Thus, responding with ">Maduro's kidnapping was neat Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess" was uncalled for, as is injecting fake quotes into an enumeration of legitimate quotes as was done in
>>2627865.
>>2627904>>2627903You're still arguing when
>and the mods should take a look at you.is entirely within your power,
all of you can report. And frankly, I didn't read either post beyond the point I realised that one is trying to impose a new context and the other seems to be doubling down on demanding thread context be removed.
>>2627903 (me)
As an addendum, Zelensky did praise Maduro's kidnapping, so I really think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky.
>>2627910The other anon is free to report, I think it's silly to report over this, but you have tripled down on more or less a settled matter, there's no point in prolonging this when I already stated several times that I think Zelensky getting kidnapped would be neat and that this sentiment does not extend to Maduro, you're just doing because you're mad about something and winning a conversation over some slight grammar would make you feel good, and I think you should seek professional help over this
>>2627915Nah lol, I have been unfair, I'll accept that when you were favourably comparing the US operation in Venezuela to Russia's in Ukraine, you never intended for that to ever come across as pro-US at all. It was obvious that, once conceding that Venezuela wasn't decapped and Maduro's kidnap doesn't equate to US victory in Venezuela, you just wanted to make a completely isolated point that Zelensky's capture would be "neat" but that capture and its "neat"ness would be entirely unrelated to the context of the thread or any of your prior favourable comparisons between US/Venezuela and Russia/Ukraine.
Apologies if that seemed a bit disjointed and rambling, I'm not sure how that effect was achieved even reading it back to myself
>>2627910>so I really think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky.Which is fine. The issue is that when someone else said this, he/she was taken in bad faith to be saying that Maduro's kidnapping was neat, and when it was pointed out that he/she was clearly referring to how it would be neat if Zelensky were kidnapped (first, because you can simply follow the quote links and see that he/she explicitly named Zelensky, and two, because someone saying "I think it would be neat if they did" is clearly referring to a kidnapping that hasn't happened vs. one that has - I mean, that's basic grammar), suddenly some other poster decided that the best way to handle this was to play dumb about being able to follow quote links, even inventing quotes wholesale to present alongside legitimate quotes.
Context can disappear when you want it to, i mean come on guys, it's simple grammar
>>2627734>The most likely answer it's a total failure of Maduro's security detail and the high brass in Venezuela decided not to share the gruesome details because they're obviously highly demoralizing.Yeah. I wouldn't put it past the U.S. to try and flip some people to leave some doors unlocked for Rainbow Six, but they killed dozens of people (including around 30~ Cuban security guys). It was also during the holidays when a lot of soldiers were on leave (apparently).
>>2627801>If the US actually fought a war it would lose easily. Thats why it focuses on proxies and quick indiviual strikes.Eh, I guess, but when violence goes "well" it's really not a fair fight at all. It's really about concentrating overwhelming force at the decisive point while catching the enemy totally by surprise so they're overwhelmed and don't know what is happening until it's too late.
Ztards would prefer if Russia had kidnapped and replaced Zelensky, right? As opposed to years of literal trench warfare? Didn't this whole Ukraine thing start over seething at who won the 2014 election there?
>implying Maduro was not betrayed by his entourage and the army
>>2627736>for shit and gigglesno it was because the US didn't even entertain the sanction,and the entire eu leftover industry was dying,so they FINALLY said fuck it after months of doing it.
>>2628504Z supporters would love if Zelensky got kidnapped or killed, but until then they'll cope about how it's an ingenious move to keep him around making all the "mistakes" that have given Russia few new villages each year in Nowhereville, Ukraine.
>>2628641>>2628504>>2628010>>2627680I think everyone on this board should read this:
https://www.amerikanets.com/p/virtual-war
>tl/dr >America cannot win actual wars>Needs to demonstrate micromilitarist victories>Everything is PR and CIA + NGO's do the heavy lifting with bribes etc.>The real objective is public opinion manipulation and not actual fighting which if was a real world would shatter normie manipulation machine beyond recovery>Sadly cucktin and china don't seem to understand thisBtw, have you guys noticed how in games like WARNO and GHPC, the Warsaw Pact forces are "forced" to play into NATO style tactics which leads them into an inferior meta? Like a historically accurate game would allow you to summon x10 soviet tanks and x3 airpower than NATO FOB's reserves and just deploy large amounts of artillery. Which explains why they constantly have to "rebalance" the game because it's not an actual simulator and everything is virtual war. Same shit with GHPC. There is a dogshit mission called Native Narrative where you have to storm 2 german villages with Abrams while they are guarded by the east germans. I kid you not, no matter how hard I try to win the stupid mission, either my 4 abrams get disabled by BTR-60's aiming at my tracks, or the infantry camping in the village takes out the m113's that are supposed to advance.
I have never felt more useless in the game than that mission. And it reminds me that "classic nato tactics" don't work. Oh, and you only have 5 smokes and 1 arty + 1 CAS.
>>2628655More like America doesn't need to wun wars anymore, they can just destabilize a regime and watch as the comprador petty bourg class do all the heavy lifting in exchange for money
>>2628655>amerikanets.comIs that associated with the Zigga who uses that name on Twitter? The one aligned with the other military essayist chud Witte_Sergei?
On Twitter at least, they spend too much time on comedy for my liking and basically no time on scathing critiques of the Russian leadership. This has caught my attention:
>The real objective is public opinion manipulation and not actual fighting which if was a real world would shatter normie manipulation machine beyond recovery>Sadly cucktin and china don't seem to understand thisBecause every time I talk about how 95% of the Ukro war effort holds only because of symbolism and PR, something that the doddering Russian boomers fail to understand but that the Soviets would have appreciated at once (and gone on to launch decapitation strikes), people accuse me of baiting or something. I'm fully serious.
>>2628680You are correct. The anti-communist propaganda did a really good job of demonizing correct soviet actions to the point of the current russian govt thinking they are doing the right thing "by not repeating soviet mistakes" which were not infact mistakes.
Examples include
>We should punish the civilian population and correct stalin's mistake!<Reality is the soviets won hearts and minds and always blamed nazis for civilian deaths so it was smart psyopsSame goes for sanctions:
>Sanctions never work<Reality is they do work and if Russia did not have at least some communist era back-bone, the sanctions would have done a really good job of starving the country of parts and imports. This is why there is accelerated development of the MS-21 jet because sanctions actually work. Also this is proof that the lolbert fantasies of having high-technology products without a stable government ensuring the businesses run properly is total fantasy. Lolbert societies would devolve to primitive shitholes since nobody could efficiently build planes and jet engines. What did they use in lolbert societies before candles? Electricity.Another funny example is:
>Censorship never works!<Reality is censorship always works because normies follow the path of least resistance and are easily controllable by a dominant cultural hegemon which naturally censor's unfavorable worldviews >>2628702Ok you don't have to be a retard and pretend Russia doesn't have censorship.
>>2628702Yeah. The alternative to my view of them being doddering Russian boomers who can't appreciate that one decap strike would be worth more than four years of trench warfare is that they know all this but are scared for their own asses. Maybe Putin is too comfortable with his palace lifestyle and fireplace evenings with wine and Pushkin.
>>2628716Turbo patriots and dissident patriots have been complaining against censorship in russia for a while. Free strelkov! Remember?
Anyone who thinks the Ukro war effort would survive the elimination of Zelensky, Budanov, etc. hasn't paid enough attention not only to NAFO types but also to Ukrainian soldiers posting to Telegram. They are gassed up entirely on myth and legend.
Naziggers wish they had the ability to
The nazigger chief will shoot himself like his antecedent Hitler
>>2628702Eternal Truthnvke
>>2628716Russian censorship and propaganda are a joke. They spent decades letting shit like Yeltsin Center and Memorial fester and poison entire generations to show esteemed western partners that we have freedumbs now. No one learned from the disaster that was Gorbachev's glasnost that manufacturing consent is the prime responsibility of any state and it's suicidal to relinquish it. That's why most russians receive information from telegram channels and sketchy websites unlike westerners who unquestioningly believe their state/corporate media. Even brezhnevite/suslovite USSR had better media work than putin's russia
Mods ban anyone who says zigger
>>2628842Zigga zig zigger
>>2628739I dunno what's more alarming: the fact that Putin is such a moron for failing to target a single Ukronazi leader in spite of car-bombed generals and attacks on his own person… or the fact that he appears to get no significant pushback whatsoever on this, not even from opposition parties.
>>2629013Do you think this is some kind of aberration?
The problem is unironically that Putin is so damn likable when you listen to him - the quiet confidence, the humor, etc. I think he's a gigantic cuck, but when I listen to him, all is forgiven until the next provocation he cucks a response to. I imagine he receives even more affection within Russia, which is not great, because it probably stops a lot of valid criticism.
>>2629013>>2629064It’s probably easy to be confident when you can ruin your political opposition’s lives easily if they get to uppity.
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