Then an actual conflict happens, and the western affiliated side just effortlessly wipes the floor with their global south opposition and shocks and humiliates them. The /pol/tards creep away, only to return a few weeks later and do it all again pretending like their previous humiliation never happened
>US BTFOing Wagner/Assadists in Syria (earliest example I can think of of this effect)
>Solemaini circus
>Ukraine war clusterfuck
>Operation Grim Beeper
>Collapse of Assad
>12 day war in Iran/Iran strike
>Venezuela
Honestly it seems that "quiet" is their greatest asset, for it lets them brag and live out their fantasies of supremacy without reality interfering. It's why the /pol/ influence was strongest here in the late 2010s and early 2020s.
This is all very confusing. Even the El Chapo shoot out was way more dramatic.
My personal conspiracy theory is that even the PSUV was getting tired of the bus driver. A backroom deal to throw Maduro out solves so many issues for everyone involved. Trump gets an easy win and some shoring up for low oil prices, the Venezuelan government can finally reintroduce the foreign experts they need to actually exploit their oil, the Venezuelan socialists can now hold Maduro up as a martyr and proof of the inexorable yankee aggression towards Latin America. The only loser is the US state department which will have the headache of trying to convince foreign nations that the US is still reliable while under an admin that treats their department like a joke, but Trump likely doesn't care because for him long term foreign policy objectives are subordinate to his own domestic reputation. I mean it's downright bizarre to take Maduro and then (seemingly as of this moment) just fuck off to let his VP take charge without so much as getting anything for the actual Venezuelan opposition, iirc Trump even said that Venezuela isn't ready for the opposition party to take over. I feel like my thinking on this is highly conspiratorial, but to me this seems like the natural follow-up for this is an uneasy detente where the PSUV is able to continue grinding out its control over Venezuela with a more stabilized oil industry at the cost of some humiliation.
Who talks about the "global south", it's clearly all about China, who indeed continues to quietly build up it's arsenal and vassalage with the worlds industry that the US turned over. You could fairly use this moment to put one over Russia superficially (mocking their narrative they wanted it quick), but it really has nothing to do with the basis people mock the west which is entirely in relation to it's domestic affairs and the consequent implications of it's performance in the event of a prolonged conflict.
>>2627680It happened so easily because America used its military and economic leverage. Namely:
>it threatened to eliminate the leadership<vs. making a promise to Naftali Bennett not to target the leadership>it set up a naval blockade<vs. allowing a "grain deal">it didn't give Venezuela a single thing<vs. allowing exports to flow through the country>it didn't give a damn about what its "non-Western partners" thought<vs. being afraid to lose future business deals with the "Western partners" Maduro planned to be arrested and charged with narcoterrorism, then thrown in jail for the rest of his life. He wanted to do this over fleeing to Cuba, or Russia, and living freely for the rest of his life. It was a good plan.
>>2627691You started off strong, but the green/orange text seems to imply that Russia has anywhere near the global military and economic leverage the US has
>>2627697Russia has enormous military and economic leverage. It's just hard to apply that leverage when your response to economic aggressors trying to sanction you out of existence is to keep sending them gas, oil, uranium, etc.
/pol/ is overwhelmingly pro-western, pro-ukraine and pro-israel migatards. They were gloating about every single line of greentext in the OP post. What the fuck is this retarded attempt at gaslighting? Kill yourself.
>>2627693Wrong Maduro turned it down
However, as mentioned at last night's press conference, President Trump is giving Venezuela a chance to asylum for Maduro from the end of 2025 to January just before the operation. The conditions presented guarantee the "physical safety" and "immunity from prosecution" of Maduro himself, his wife Syria Flores, and their sons. And as a place of asylum, we provide safe passage to Cuba, Turkey, or a third country in the Middle East. The conditions were immediate resignation and transfer of authority to the interim government.
For Mr. Trump, if Maduro left without risking the US military, it would be the "best deal" and give him a kind of "chance for an honorable withdrawal."
However, Maduro pushed back the excessive conditions. In addition to allowing the retention and withdrawal of hundreds of millions of dollars (tens of billions of yen) of illegally accumulated assets, it is also an immunity not only for oneself, but also for all senior military officials and government officials (about 100 people).
Behind this bullish deal was Maduro's overconfidence that "China will protect him" and that if he bought time, Trump would break.
In response to Maduro's answer, President Trump judged that there was "no room for negotiation." It is analyzed that he gave the green light to this military and judicial operation, saying, "If you didn't choose the easy path (of asylum), you will have to go down the tough path (arrest and arrest)."
Regarding the relationship between Maduro and China, China has lent Venezuela a total of more than 60 billion dollars (about 9 trillion yen) since the 2000s. It is a contract to repay with "oil" rather than cash. That is, the Maduro regime did not collapse even after the economic collapse because China continued to inject money through this contract.
In other words, China has been buying and supporting Venezuela's oil, which is under economic sanctions from the United States, through the "dark channel".
I agree with your assessment
>>2627715Oh it's a /k/oper thread
>>2627704You're saying that as though it's being sent for free, and not the recipients violating their own sanctions
>So what can Russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation
well they could learn how to conduct decapitation strikes, for one. i doubt they will.
>>2627726>decapitationThe VP is currently running Venezuela, but perhaps I've just misunderstood decapitation to mean you remove
all leadership
>>2627725That's the usual cop-out I've heard on Twitter and Telegram ("lol, they're paying Russia to fight Ukraine"), but I don't find it persuasive in a full cost-benefit analysis, not only for the immediate war where the cost-benefit analysis imo is a complete failure but also for projection of global power and grit, which determine theaters elsewhere.
>>2627730>>2627726Removing the strongman has an effect. Trump is obviously very different from Vance or any other politician in DC. You would see some policy changes just from the different person in charge. Also you have a fear factor where the remaining leaders are going to be cautious because they are concerned with their own security, making them less bold and more likely to entertain diplomatic negotiations for their personal security.
Maduro specifically had spoken to the Chinese delegation about personal security and defense guarantees. Strongman dictatorships are the most susceptible to strongman removal simply because they usually have to suppress their rivals and cannot allow their underlings to become powerful or popular enough to be threat.
>My personal conspiracy theory is that even the PSUV was getting tired of the bus driver.
see, this thread is retarded because it's very unlikely that the PSUV has secret unanimous consent around ousting Maduro across the entire party structure, we would've seen a split within the PSUV ranks between Maduristas and non-Maduristas. The most likely answer it's a total failure of Maduro's security detail and the high brass in Venezuela decided not to share the gruesome details because they're obviously highly demoralizing.
>>2627730i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.
>>2627731You don't find it persuasive, but the people who actually matter in this situation hardly instigated sanctions to starve the Russian economy of money, then broke their own sanctions for shits and giggles.
>>2627735>which they have tried lol i wish
>>2627735You're extremely eager to count Venezuela as already defeated.
>>2627732>Maduro>Strongmanlmao
>>2627738well then they should, that should be their takeaway
>>2627739>You're extremely eager to count Venezuela as already defeated.how did you get that impression?
>>2627730It's because the hapless grogs and uggs in the Kremlin don't understand the power of the symbol that's driving 90% of the Ukro war effort, both on the ground and in the information space. America and the Soviets don't/didn't have that problem.
>Weeks earlier, U.S. officials had already settled on an acceptable candidate to replace Mr. Maduro, at least for the time being: Vice President Delcy Rodríguez, who had impressed Trump officials with her management of Venezuela’s crucial oil industry.
>The people involved in the discussions said intermediaries persuaded the administration that she would protect and champion future American energy investments in the country.
>“I’ve been watching her career for a long time, so I have some sense of who she is and what she’s about,” said one senior U.S. official, referring to Ms. Rodríguez.
>It was an easy choice, the people said. Mr. Trump had never warmed up to the Venezuelan opposition leader María Corina Machado, who had organized a winning presidential campaign in 2024, earning her the Nobel Peace Prize this year. Since Mr. Trump’s re-election, Ms. Machado has gone out of her way to please him, calling him a “champion of freedom,” mimicking his talking points on election fraud in the United States and even dedicating her Peace Prize to him.
>It was in vain. On Saturday, Mr. Trump said he would accept Ms. Rodríguez, saying that Ms. Machado lacked the “respect” needed to govern Venezuela
>>2627735>which they have tried and failed repeatedly.Wrong. It's worse than that: they've never tried once. Don't believe the NAFO bullshit.
>>2627741Because kidnapping Maduro hasn't actually achieved anything yet, but you're bringing up Zelensky's continued survival as something relevant
>>2627745Is this from NYT? I hate this kind of gossip-rag, fly-in-the-wall insider "journalism" shit, this all reeks of post-hoc rationalization after Trump's stupid whimsy
>>2627749I just think it would be neat if they did it
>>2627750>Maduro's kidnapping was neatThen stay tuned to Fox News I guess
>>2627749>Because kidnapping Maduro hasn't actually achieved anything yetnta, but unfortunately this thread is unlikely to be around in a month or two, when, per the Syria template, the US Venezuelan puppet of choice is shaking hands with both Trump and Stuputin.
>>2627755>Maduro's kidnapping was neatThat's a sentence I never said
>>2627757You're probably to retarded to realise you just did
>>2627748>Don't believe the NAFO bullshit.I'm pretty sure the inverse is true and Ukraine has sent drones directly to the kremlin, honestly if Putin hasn't tried to kill Zelensky it's because he's a big pussy, because Zelensky has definitely tried to kill Putin.
>>2627759I think you just can't read correctly
Ziggas on social media be like "It's NOT the same! Ukraine has been heavily armed!"
…while refusing to ask who let that happen.
>>2627764You raised the comparison between Maduro's kidnapping and Zelensky's continued freedom/existence, as though the former has any relevance to the latter, which you've reduced to "a kidnapping would be neat". Well why would it be neat? What about Maduro's kidnapping would make kidnapping Zelensky neat?
>>2627763There's literally no indication whatsoever that the Kremlin has tried to kill Zelensky, and there's a counter-indication in the form of a statement from Naftali Bennett that he secured a pledge from Putin not to kill Zelensky. Another counter-indication is that Russia has released drone footage of Zelensky, trying to make the point "we could easily kill Zelensky." Another counter-indication is that Zelensky prances around carefree.
>>2627768>You raised the comparison between Maduro's kidnapping and Zelensky's continued freedom/existenceI think this is just your poor reading comprehension, mate. There are exercises online to fix this.
>>2627771>I'm just being misunderstood!Perhaps you need to look online for how to tie a noose you clown
>>2627771>poor reading comprehensionAn endemic problem among modern leftists, unfortunately. Scary to think what may be being misread in leftist works.
>>2627776I don't think that would do any good to your inability to grasp words.
>>2627780I wouldn't have to deal with at least one disingenuous cunt again
>>2627784Well if the issue is your poor reading comprehension chops, then you would be dealing with even more perceived "disingenuous cunts", so maybe you wish to fix the issue at its source?
OPs glazing the US shouldn't be tolerated
>>2627787Yeah I don't trust that kind of coverage anymore, after they kept insisting that Biden was secretly very angry at Netanyahu for a straight year. Honestly you should assume these internal accounts are like 80% fiction at this point.
>>2627755>Maduro's kidnapping was neat"It would be neat if they did it" – this is a counterfactual conditional, indicating that the poster is not talking about Maduro's kidnapping, an actual event. You're welcome.
>inb4 b-b-but the poster said Zelensky's kidnapping would be neat, which means he thinks Maduro's kidnapping was neat tooLemme guess: If I watched a video of a leftist getting punched in the face and then said "I know a chud who should be punched in the face," you'd take that as support of the leftist getting punched in the face. No? Of course not. You're just being willfilly obtuse because you don't like criticism of Kremlin inaction.
>>2627786When people feel they've been misunderstood, an explanation for why is always (and I do mean always) forthcoming.
If the US actually fought a war it would lose easily. Thats why it focuses on proxies and quick indiviual strikes.
>>2627795>"It would be neat if they did it"It's disingenous to suggest that thought came out of thin air, rather than from having it pointed out that
>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelenskyafter
>well they could learn how to conduct decapitation strikes, for one. i doubt they will.is a non-sequitur if Maduro's kidnapping hasn't achieved anything yet
PSA: Putinists aren't really a bunch of readerlets. It's one of those stand-by defense mechanisms that gets deployed when people criticize his proles-only war that doesn't target Ukrainian elites and capital.
>>2627812Crying that you're being misunderstood but then trying to change topic for some reason is not based.
>>2627808Why not focus on what people are saying rather than mind-reading?
>>2627795>this is a counterfactual conditional, indicating that the poster is not talking about Maduro's kidnapping, an actual event. <Counterfactual conditionals (also contrafactual, subjunctive or X-marked conditionals) are conditional sentences that describe what would have been true if circumstances had been different, typically when the antecedent is taken to be false or incompatible with what actually happened.Literally all that says is that because Zelensky was not kidnapped, it was not neat.
>>2627827The post has direct quotes in it lmao
From February to August 2006, Rodríguez was the Minister for Presidential Affairs.[28] Her tenure was short-lived due to reported tensions with president Hugo Chávez.[28][29] She reportedly refused to show the "personal homage" expected by the president.[28] According to profiles published in Tal Cual and El Estímulo [es], Rodríguez disregarded established hierarchies and maintained a direct attitude that alienated her from the presidential inner circle.[28][30] During an official trip to Moscow in 2006, Rodríguez allegedly engaged in a heated argument with Chávez in which she used disrespectful language.[30] Following the altercation, Chávez reportedly ordered her removal from the delegation and her immediate return to Venezuela on a separate plane.[30]
In 2007, she served as the General Coordinator to the Vice-President of Venezuela, both of which roles she held while her brother occupied the office of Vice President of the Republic.[31]
In August 2013, President Nicolás Maduro appointed her as the Minister of Popular Power for Communication and Information of Venezuela, a position in which she was reaffirmed in 2014 and maintained until October 2014.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delcy_Rodr%C3%ADguez>>2627741>>2627829What are you on about?
"It would be neat if they did it" is clearly talking about Zelensky, not Maduro. If the counterfactual conditional is too hard for some people to grasp, they can follow the chain of conversation and see that it's Zelensky referred to:
>>2627735>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.>>2627741>well then they should, that should be their takeaway >>2627830Yes, and that quoted material is referring to Zelensky, not Maduro, not only by counterfactual conditional (talking about a kidnapping that hasn't happened vs. one that has) but by chain of conversation. See
>>2627838.
Putinists gambled and thought people wouldn't bother analyzing their games. Take the L.
>>2627844>>2627838So you've reduced yourself to pretending
>>2627726 doesn't include the context of the thread via greentexting "So what can Russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation"?
>they have tried and failed repeatedly.>well then they should, that should be their takeawayYou're a clown
>>2627814You're arguing with like three different anons, perhaps the issue really is just you and your insistence on reading shit in bad faith
>>2627852>reading shit in bad faithThank you for confirming at least of the various anons recognised I understood the flow of the conversation perfectly well, even if that's just to whinge that I'm not being fair about my interpretation
>>2627853>Thank you for confirming at least of the various anons recognised I understood the flow of the conversation perfectly wellhave you ever been as far even as decided to look more like
>>2627848Under dispute is the post
>>2627750, which says "I just think it would be neat if they did it" and whether this poster is saying "Maduro's kidnapping was neat." The poster is not saying that. Let's present the full chain of conversation for the slow kids at the back:
~~~~ [No.2627750]
>>>>2627749I just think it would be neat if they did it
[No.2627749]
>>2627741Because kidnapping Maduro hasn't actually achieved anything yet, but you're bringing up Zelensky's continued survival as something relevant
[No.2627741]
>>2627738well then they should, that should be their takeaway
[No. 2627738]
>>2627735>which they have tried lol i wish
[No. 2627735]
i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.
~~~~ So Putinists should not only focus on what people are saying rather than disingenously reading their minds – they should also focus on actual chains of conversation instead of plucking posts out of thin air.
Also you're welcome because yeah, assuming you're reading posts in bad faith is assuming you're not just retarded, a kindness I extend from my pure beautiful heart
So what can Russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation?
>well they could learn how to conduct decapitation strikes, for one. i doubt they will.
<Venezuela hasn't been decapped
>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.
<Relevance? Venezuela hasn't been defeated by Maduro's kidnapping
>I just think it would be neat if they did it
<Like Maduro's?
Then the seething starts about being maliciously misinterpreted but instead of clarifications of the actual point being made, derailing about "Counterfactual conditional"s somehow removing context or bait about Putinists
>>2627858Dunno about this case, but with past cases I've been pretty sure it's malicious misinterpretation. They don't like the valid criticism, so they malicious misinterpret to derail or have ban hammers dropped.
>>2627865Now you're outright lying, and the mods should take a look at you.
The response to "I just think it would be neat if they did it" was not "Like Maduro's?" requesting clarification. It was instead the disingenuous ">Maduro's kidnapping was neat
Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess."
>>2627868You have to be way far up your own ass to think this shitfit you (and others apparently) have thrown about a misinterpretation you don't wish to clarify
for some reason paints you in a good light against the "Putinists"
>>2627865>>i mean they could learn how to actually extract and or kill zelensky which they have tried and failed repeatedly.do you not parse this as a clarification, it even starts with "i mean" to clarify what i meant, and it explains it's about zelensky. are you really that stupid?
>>2627872Feel free to report if you believe there's a fundamental difference there and the mods care about refereeing that.
>>2627877Relevance? Venezuela hasn't been defeated by Maduro's kidnapping
>>2627865Also: Aside from outright lying, you have no presented the links in the chain of conversation like
>>2627856.
>>2627883Again, if you want the mods to come and make a determination about whether
>>2627865 is an unfair reading of the conversation, just report. After all, they will have a better idea of which posts belong to whom than we would.
>My personal conspiracy theory is that even the PSUV was getting tired of the bus driver.
Not interested in your personal cope theories.
>>2627877You have quite plainly lied and said that the response to ">I just think it would be neat if they did it" in post
>>2627750 was "<Like Maduro's?".
Here's the response in post
>>2627755:
">Maduro's kidnapping was neat
Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess"
>>2627881I think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky
>>2627894I can't even parse your retarded diatribe
>>2627894The context of the discussion related to Maduro's capture, it's not my fault that anon didn't like when that context applies to "I think it would be neat if they (Russia) did it (kidnapping Zelensky)" and then proceeds to have a hissy fit demanding that comment be taken out of context of the thread as well as his own preceding posts.
>>2627895Out of context post?
Blackest reaction and so on…
>>2627900I don't think it is, the question is "what can russia learn from America's 3hr special military operation" and I answered "they should learn how to conduct a decapitation strike", there's some jest to it because it implies the reason zelensky, the leader of an enemy combatant in an actual protracted conflict that has turned into a battle of attrition, hasn't been captured is due to Putin's own incompetence. I can't believe someone needs this level of explanation for a single post, I think my wit is wasted on this board. Needing to overexplain every single post like I'm chatGPT answering some geriatric in some asylum on how to turn on the computer just kills the fun.
>>2627898Yes, they're saying that Zelensky's kidnapping would be neat, not that Maduro's kidnapping was neat. The counterfactual grammar supports that it was Zelensky being implicitly referred to, and the simple chain of conversation following the quote links shows that it was Zelensky being explicitly referred to. Thus, responding with ">Maduro's kidnapping was neat Then stay tuned to Fox News I guess" was uncalled for, as is injecting fake quotes into an enumeration of legitimate quotes as was done in
>>2627865.
>>2627904>>2627903You're still arguing when
>and the mods should take a look at you.is entirely within your power,
all of you can report. And frankly, I didn't read either post beyond the point I realised that one is trying to impose a new context and the other seems to be doubling down on demanding thread context be removed.
>>2627903 (me)
As an addendum, Zelensky did praise Maduro's kidnapping, so I really think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky.
>>2627910The other anon is free to report, I think it's silly to report over this, but you have tripled down on more or less a settled matter, there's no point in prolonging this when I already stated several times that I think Zelensky getting kidnapped would be neat and that this sentiment does not extend to Maduro, you're just doing because you're mad about something and winning a conversation over some slight grammar would make you feel good, and I think you should seek professional help over this
>>2627915Nah lol, I have been unfair, I'll accept that when you were favourably comparing the US operation in Venezuela to Russia's in Ukraine, you never intended for that to ever come across as pro-US at all. It was obvious that, once conceding that Venezuela wasn't decapped and Maduro's kidnap doesn't equate to US victory in Venezuela, you just wanted to make a completely isolated point that Zelensky's capture would be "neat" but that capture and its "neat"ness would be entirely unrelated to the context of the thread or any of your prior favourable comparisons between US/Venezuela and Russia/Ukraine.
Apologies if that seemed a bit disjointed and rambling, I'm not sure how that effect was achieved even reading it back to myself
>>2627910>so I really think it would be neat if Putin kidnapped Zelensky.Which is fine. The issue is that when someone else said this, he/she was taken in bad faith to be saying that Maduro's kidnapping was neat, and when it was pointed out that he/she was clearly referring to how it would be neat if Zelensky were kidnapped (first, because you can simply follow the quote links and see that he/she explicitly named Zelensky, and two, because someone saying "I think it would be neat if they did" is clearly referring to a kidnapping that hasn't happened vs. one that has - I mean, that's basic grammar), suddenly some other poster decided that the best way to handle this was to play dumb about being able to follow quote links, even inventing quotes wholesale to present alongside legitimate quotes.
Context can disappear when you want it to, i mean come on guys, it's simple grammar
>>2627734>The most likely answer it's a total failure of Maduro's security detail and the high brass in Venezuela decided not to share the gruesome details because they're obviously highly demoralizing.Yeah. I wouldn't put it past the U.S. to try and flip some people to leave some doors unlocked for Rainbow Six, but they killed dozens of people (including around 30~ Cuban security guys). It was also during the holidays when a lot of soldiers were on leave (apparently).
>>2627801>If the US actually fought a war it would lose easily. Thats why it focuses on proxies and quick indiviual strikes.Eh, I guess, but when violence goes "well" it's really not a fair fight at all. It's really about concentrating overwhelming force at the decisive point while catching the enemy totally by surprise so they're overwhelmed and don't know what is happening until it's too late.
Ztards would prefer if Russia had kidnapped and replaced Zelensky, right? As opposed to years of literal trench warfare? Didn't this whole Ukraine thing start over seething at who won the 2014 election there?
>implying Maduro was not betrayed by his entourage and the army
>>2627736>for shit and gigglesno it was because the US didn't even entertain the sanction,and the entire eu leftover industry was dying,so they FINALLY said fuck it after months of doing it.
>>2628504Z supporters would love if Zelensky got kidnapped or killed, but until then they'll cope about how it's an ingenious move to keep him around making all the "mistakes" that have given Russia few new villages each year in Nowhereville, Ukraine.
>>2628641>>2628504>>2628010>>2627680I think everyone on this board should read this:
https://www.amerikanets.com/p/virtual-war
>tl/dr >America cannot win actual wars>Needs to demonstrate micromilitarist victories>Everything is PR and CIA + NGO's do the heavy lifting with bribes etc.>The real objective is public opinion manipulation and not actual fighting which if was a real world would shatter normie manipulation machine beyond recovery>Sadly cucktin and china don't seem to understand thisBtw, have you guys noticed how in games like WARNO and GHPC, the Warsaw Pact forces are "forced" to play into NATO style tactics which leads them into an inferior meta? Like a historically accurate game would allow you to summon x10 soviet tanks and x3 airpower than NATO FOB's reserves and just deploy large amounts of artillery. Which explains why they constantly have to "rebalance" the game because it's not an actual simulator and everything is virtual war. Same shit with GHPC. There is a dogshit mission called Native Narrative where you have to storm 2 german villages with Abrams while they are guarded by the east germans. I kid you not, no matter how hard I try to win the stupid mission, either my 4 abrams get disabled by BTR-60's aiming at my tracks, or the infantry camping in the village takes out the m113's that are supposed to advance.
I have never felt more useless in the game than that mission. And it reminds me that "classic nato tactics" don't work. Oh, and you only have 5 smokes and 1 arty + 1 CAS.
>>2628655More like America doesn't need to wun wars anymore, they can just destabilize a regime and watch as the comprador petty bourg class do all the heavy lifting in exchange for money
>>2628655>amerikanets.comIs that associated with the Zigga who uses that name on Twitter? The one aligned with the other military essayist chud Witte_Sergei?
On Twitter at least, they spend too much time on comedy for my liking and basically no time on scathing critiques of the Russian leadership. This has caught my attention:
>The real objective is public opinion manipulation and not actual fighting which if was a real world would shatter normie manipulation machine beyond recovery>Sadly cucktin and china don't seem to understand thisBecause every time I talk about how 95% of the Ukro war effort holds only because of symbolism and PR, something that the doddering Russian boomers fail to understand but that the Soviets would have appreciated at once (and gone on to launch decapitation strikes), people accuse me of baiting or something. I'm fully serious.
>>2628680You are correct. The anti-communist propaganda did a really good job of demonizing correct soviet actions to the point of the current russian govt thinking they are doing the right thing "by not repeating soviet mistakes" which were not infact mistakes.
Examples include
>We should punish the civilian population and correct stalin's mistake!<Reality is the soviets won hearts and minds and always blamed nazis for civilian deaths so it was smart psyopsSame goes for sanctions:
>Sanctions never work<Reality is they do work and if Russia did not have at least some communist era back-bone, the sanctions would have done a really good job of starving the country of parts and imports. This is why there is accelerated development of the MS-21 jet because sanctions actually work. Also this is proof that the lolbert fantasies of having high-technology products without a stable government ensuring the businesses run properly is total fantasy. Lolbert societies would devolve to primitive shitholes since nobody could efficiently build planes and jet engines. What did they use in lolbert societies before candles? Electricity.Another funny example is:
>Censorship never works!<Reality is censorship always works because normies follow the path of least resistance and are easily controllable by a dominant cultural hegemon which naturally censor's unfavorable worldviews >>2628702Ok you don't have to be a retard and pretend Russia doesn't have censorship.
>>2628702Yeah. The alternative to my view of them being doddering Russian boomers who can't appreciate that one decap strike would be worth more than four years of trench warfare is that they know all this but are scared for their own asses. Maybe Putin is too comfortable with his palace lifestyle and fireplace evenings with wine and Pushkin.
>>2628716Turbo patriots and dissident patriots have been complaining against censorship in russia for a while. Free strelkov! Remember?
Anyone who thinks the Ukro war effort would survive the elimination of Zelensky, Budanov, etc. hasn't paid enough attention not only to NAFO types but also to Ukrainian soldiers posting to Telegram. They are gassed up entirely on myth and legend.
Naziggers wish they had the ability to
The nazigger chief will shoot himself like his antecedent Hitler
>>2628702Eternal Truthnvke
>>2628716Russian censorship and propaganda are a joke. They spent decades letting shit like Yeltsin Center and Memorial fester and poison entire generations to show esteemed western partners that we have freedumbs now. No one learned from the disaster that was Gorbachev's glasnost that manufacturing consent is the prime responsibility of any state and it's suicidal to relinquish it. That's why most russians receive information from telegram channels and sketchy websites unlike westerners who unquestioningly believe their state/corporate media. Even brezhnevite/suslovite USSR had better media work than putin's russia
Mods ban anyone who says zigger
>>2628842Zigga zig zigger
>>2628739I dunno what's more alarming: the fact that Putin is such a moron for failing to target a single Ukronazi leader in spite of car-bombed generals and attacks on his own person… or the fact that he appears to get no significant pushback whatsoever on this, not even from opposition parties.
>>2629013Do you think this is some kind of aberration?
The problem is unironically that Putin is so damn likable when you listen to him - the quiet confidence, the humor, etc. I think he's a gigantic cuck, but when I listen to him, all is forgiven until the next provocation he cucks a response to. I imagine he receives even more affection within Russia, which is not great, because it probably stops a lot of valid criticism.
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