It might be happening in iran.
shits going down in iran.
the economy is shit and they are running out of water.
can you imagine if the us takes out Venezuela and iran, tough times for anti western bros
discuss
If the goverment survives that girl is screwed
>>2635859There is snow in Iran?
she's bad tho
>>2635879Yes? It's winter and it snows over there. At least in parts of the country.
>>2635879>>2635882I had an iranian (ethnically kurdish) peer counselor in community college she was gorgeous, we would waste hours after our meetings just talking about life
>>2635879In the mountains it does
>>2635859Idont hope anything bad happens to her i just think she left herself open to identification and retaliation, hopefully not tho
>>2635896>Just talking about lifeIm sorry bro, try being more assertive next time
If Iran falls nobody will be able to stand up to Israel. If and when Iranians revolt we must all revolt and join hands as international proletariat.
>>2635922>join hands as international proletariat.Lol never gonna happen
Treats are going to be the end of humanity
>>2635917You don’t need to have sex for time with a woman to be worthwhile
I hope every lumpen mercenary animal from my country that travels to Iran to kill protesters dies a horrible bloody death
>>2635917Im old enough for it to be too late anyway
So is the colour revolution imminent or not?
>>2636193Inshallah Iranian color revolution will crush western leftism (incelism) forever ❤️
>>2636320
The king always dropping nukes 😎
>>2636213Bro she kinda looked like that picture
>>2636438You already said that dumbass
ACKis of acceptance media made a lolcow out of Maduro for his quick defeat and likeness to Saddam
Karma is a bitch
>>2636526>ACKis of acceptance media made a lolcow out of Maduro for his quick defeat and likeness to SaddamSource?
>>2636333intelligence orgs don't create waves of unrest and protest from scratch but they also never let a good crisis go to waste and thats regardless of what state there aligned with.
Regime change with Caleb maupin as supreme leader
>>2636451I meant that picture i replied to
>>2636542Maybe cuckslamists should've bought less villas in Sydney and California then 😇
>>2636553I know I just had a deja vu where I saw your exact reply before
>>2636555somehow I doubt iranians islamist have villas in sydney and california
retard
Western expectation
>Reza Pahlavi will flown in to rule Iran
Epic reality
>Bob Avakian will flown in to rule Iran
>Bourgeois regime suppresses real revolutionary movements to the point that it makes color revolution a reality
Serves them right, fucking retards.
>>2636598What a bunch of Pathetic Frauds, these Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist Reactionaries are no better then the Fucking Shah, and when you take into consideration the fact that they killed just as many Communists and Oppressed Ethnic Minorities (ie. Azeris, Kurds, Arabs, Balochs, etc.) as the Shah did, and that they were put in power by the CIA/MI6/Mossad once it was clear that the Shah could no longer maintain power and in order to stop a Communist Revolution and Self-Determination for the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan in independent Socialist States aligned with the USSR and Baathist Iraq, while using Shia Islamism to oppress their own people in a Reactionary Fascist Theocracy with 7th Century Laws while dividing the Arab Nation on Sectarian Sunni-Shia lines in order to destroy Arab Nationalist Baathism (ie. help the U$ overthrow Saddam Hussein), their is a case that the “Islamic Republic of Iran” is actually worse then the Shah despite all of the brain dead Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Marcyite Campist Multipolarista propaganda that the “Islamic Republic of Iran” opposes U$ Imperialism and Zionism, though it is very important to note that as a Maoist I strongly oppose the Shah returning to power (I want to see the “Islamic Republic of Iran” overthrown by a Maoist PPW as I explained in my post at
>>2636320 ) and if the Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist “Islamic Republic of Iran” collapses and hands power back to the Shah (in order to stop Communists from taking over Iran, just like the Shah handed power to the Mossad Mullahs to stop a Communist takeover of Iran in 1979), then I support an immediate Maoist PPW to overthrow the Shah and create a Persian SSR which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan, in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
Are these bigger than previous protests? I'm very much in the nothing ever happens camp
>>2636680Honestly it's not about the size of the protests it's what they actually do.
The No Kings protests were huge and did nothing.
Trump will kill Khamenei if Iranian regime continues murdering protesters, Lindsey Graham says
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-882601>>2636680From all the sources I have seen, it appears that the Mossad Mullahs are on the verge of finally kicking the bucket, as I have heard rumors that the Cuckatollah himself is preparing to flee to Russia, and the Kurds are on the verge of launching a full blown armed Uprising (they already are waging a low-level Insurgency), with groups like the Marxist-Leninist KDPI and Komala, along with the Anarchist PJAK and Social Democrat PAK mobilizing their bases of support in East Kurdistan, and I am sure the same thing is happening with Leftist Separatist groups in Arabistan (the Baathist ASMLA and the Nasserist NLMA), West Balochistan (the Marxist-Leninist Baloch Liberation Army), and South Azerbaijan (the Social Democrat SANAM), so I think we may actually be on the verge of the fall of the “Islamic Republic of Iran”, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2636705Have you thought about making a substack to organize your theories and ideas together in one place
>>2636710
The Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” is a Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State, the U$ will only Bomb them if it it becomes obvious that the Mossad Mullahs are rapidly collapsing in order to stop a Communist Revolution and bring the Shah back, 🤣😂🤢🤮!
I don’t care if the weird Shia regime falls but I hope they and the protestors are smart enough to keep the military bases running. Or else Israel will do exactly what they did in Syria and strike the undefended bases of ballistic missiles, SAMs and planes before a new regime can take them over, leaving them defenseless and unable to resist Israeli encroachment. Although Iran has lots of underground bases so those can survive if nothing else does.
>>2636680The gov just handed out a fair amount of money to everyone, is openly machine gunning protestors, cut off all internet and is accusing kids of leading and organizing the movement. That certainly sounds desperate and like those protests are massive too me.
>>263684510 days of protests and at least 50 deaths as of the 7, who knows now with the coms blackout, so that's a higher intensity than the last one. Also the workers particularly in the energy sector are going in strike now, which didn't happens so fast and to such an extent in the 2022 protests iirc. Really sounds like a big one.
How will Palestine survive if the Islamic Republic is overthrown?
>>2636526>ACKis of acceptance That's pretty good. I'm impressed. I think Iran hangs on though.
Absolutely nothing happens
Iran is going to get fucking balkanized and "Persia" will be a monarchy directly funding Israeli settlements. All I can hope is that Pezeshkian will get killed in the civil war.
>>2636961i honestly think many of these diaspora movements take a life of its own and become a giant grift for itself, scamming donations, fake businesses, offices, etc… basically useless for CIA doing serious regime change, but useful occasionally for putting on TV.
Iran is a very polarized country. Imagine the US but ten times worse and that's Iranian political culture. All these people forecasting an imminent collapse are wishful. Sure, a good chunk of the affluent urban middle classes have come to oppose the government, but the other half of them support it. During the Amini protests, there were pro-Islamist protests because many felt one faction of the protesters had gone too far in calling for the end of the Islamic republic. Even if many dislike Khameini, who isn't without his supporters, they aren't necessarily in favor of overthrowing the government. The political opposition in Iran is very factional and quite diverse, some of the strongest organizers are Sunni religious scholars in Balouchistan like Mullah Ismaeelzahi. So the picture of evil Islamic regime vs secular progressive protestors is highly misleading.
Iran is pretty much fucked in the long term for three reasons 1. Its an oil export dependent economy which makes the country economically volatile, a fact worsened by crippling sanctions 2. A good chunk of its population (the classes that have the power to pull strings) are brainrotted Twitter users, so the very idea of an Islam is an anathema to them. 3. Political polarization has lead to deadlock, meaning there isn't any will power to fix the country's problems and a move in any direction kicks up a storm of resistance both within the state and out on the streets.
The collapse of the Islamic republic might not be likely in the short term but could trigger a civil war or regional sepratism if and when it does happen.
>>2636943Yep thats irans fault, no one else is responsible
>>2636209Do we think the Americans did this or are the Iranian government pants-on-head retarded?
Remember the letter from Evrin Prison:
>The liberation of us, the people of Iran, from the dictatorship ruling the country is possible through the struggle of the masses and by resorting to social forces. Not by attaching ourselves to foreign powers or placing our hopes in them. The powers that have always brought destruction to the countries of the region through exploitation and colonialism, through war-making and killing in pursuit of greater profits will have no way out for us except for new destruction and exploitation.
>>2635855>It might be happening in iran.It is but the country has no access to internet in order to contain the protests.
>>2636968Kurdistan independece would be a positive development.
>>2637277Yeah, positive for u.s. hegemony
Real cia hours in this thread, i see
And ofcours mods being useless as always
>>2637289The CIA doesnt want this uprising, which is why mainstream media is so muted in their coverage of this. US imperialism wants Iran to exist in its current form as a counterbalance to Turkish, Israeli and Saudi/Gulf sub-imperialism. They play a balance-of-powers game, not a simplistic "destroy the bad guys" game.
>>2637288Entirely depends on which kurdish faction comes out on top in such a scenario.
>>2637286Interesting perspectives, thanks.
>>2637350Is there a nepal style revolution there now?
>>2637369Then its a nothingburger
>>2636969I've been following this is a little bit and the amount of "speculation" is just off the charts. At the least the online version of the opposition has very strong vibes of speculators, like if Patrick Bet-David was the average guy participating in it.
>>2637350I have a glowie theory that Faytuks is a NATO competitor to pro-Russian OSINT channels.
>>2637350This kind of shit happens in the Baluche and Kurdish areas not uncommonly, tbf.
>>2636698if they do, they would absolutely undermine reza pahlavi, it would kill the current moment in iran because the only thing more unpopular than the ayatollah is probably the fucking US. but maybe they're that stupid
>>2637404Nah the protestors are going to win
I predict IRI will fall and the new regime will join the Abraham accords and become a US-Israeli vassal state dog simply because the worst thing always happens
>>2637455blackest age of reaction, russia and america are allies now
Madure being kidnapped was a tragedy. But ayatollah and islamofascist government getting beheaded wont turn me sad.
>>2637476Will it turn you sad when all palestinians are eradicated
>>2637477he's a glowuyghur, ofcourse it wont
I've been hearing about the US getting out of the middle east to focus on other regions for 10+ years but every day US-Israeli dominance escalates
>>2637482Donald "no new wars" Trump, most sleazy fuck ever
>>2637578Yeah how come anon. Explain that.
>>2636921Iran has been doing a stellar job protecting Palestine, right?
>>2637606Iran is weak and seemingly close to collapsing. Yet they're the only ones actually sending weapons to palestinians.
>>2637477>Iran is protecting Palestinians from being eradicatedlol… lmao
Not at the fact that you even remotely believe that this is true, but also the fact that you think Iran cares about Palestinians and isn't just using them as a chip and frontline cannon fodder against its geopolitical enemies.
We have this kind of "happening" every 4 years or so, and the IRI's government always weathers it for some reason.
Anyway, the Mahsa Amini protests were 100x more intense than this one.
>>2637618>Iran cares about No state ever "cares" about anything (this is an idealist delusion). Some individuals in the Iranian government genuinely care, some are purely cynical. If somebody just killed my entire family and is currently trying to kill me, and a third party hands me a gun to defend myself, I'd take it regardless if they truly care for all the right reasons in their heart of hearts.
>>2637629What about the Iranian people themselves, where do they fit in all of this?
Why should they weather their tyrannical, authoritarian and fascist government because it's the archnemesis to the nearby fascist Jewish ethnostate?
I get that this is bad for Palestine in the future overall (good for Israel to put it better), but the situation has enough grayness for me to not cheer on the Islamic government. Same shit with Assad. Israel's collapse isn't gonna come from these miserable tinpot dictatorships (who both once collaborated with Israel, in the past), it's gonna come from the collapse of burgerstan itself leaving Israel out to dry without any fat host it can parasitize.
>>2637623Althought you are probably right, times change.
>>2637477They're going to get acked regardless of whether iran remains an islamic theocracy or not.
>>2637644>lib stuffthe Iranian people will ultimately have a role in how this goes. I think the riots are going to fail and part of the reason is most Iraninan people don't support them.
I oppose all violent uprisings unless 1. the government is exceptionally violent/imperialist, and 2. the uprising has a clear goal about what's to follow, that goal is viable and its substantially better than the current regime.
Neither condition is met here and it wasn't in Syria either.
Also, Iranian people don't have any more value to me than Palestinians or Syrians or Venezuelans. If some critical mass actually did decide that they wanted to achieve some possibly/vaguely/marginally better government by throwing Palestinians and others under the bus, I would say have at it, but when the sec forces put you in the ground i won't be shedding a tear. I have no solidarity with you because you have none with others.
>>2635859Shes in Canada I heard
>>2637733>the government is exceptionally violent/imperialist>neither conditions are metLmao
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Wtf is Iran doing?
They need to start mowing these terrorists down and running over their corpses with tanks
>>2637746Every dead cuckslamist is a new public toilet, and tyey
they know Iran is in need of those.
>>2637837Neh
why should the bourgeoisie lose and then not get replaced by another bourgeoisie
>>2637839Ask multipolaroids lmao
>>2637842I already asked you, though?
>>2637845>wanting unipolarists to argue in good faithgood luck
>unipolar
Welcome back comrade Kautsky
Popular uprisings are growing in Iran: Hundreds of thousands have taken to the streets.
popular protests that began 13 days ago against the economic crisis and regime policies have entered a new phase in the last 24 hours. Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in Mashhad, Tehran, Karaj, Tabriz, Qom, Rasht, Qazvin, and other Rojhilat cities. Protesters chanted harsh slogans targeting the Iranian government, and many government buildings were set on fire. The demonstrations are reported to be much more massive than yesterday.
<HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MARCHED IN MASHHAD.
Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in Mashhad to protest the government. Protests continued throughout the night across the city, and it was reported that the demonstrations grew larger with each passing hour.
<GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS SET ON FIRE IN TEHRAN.
Protests in the capital, Tehran, intensified in the city center. Mass demonstrations took place around Sadiqiyya Square, Haq-e Safid, Tehranpars, Haft Hawz, Wenk, and the Chubuk Bridge. Protesters set fire to numerous public institutions, and the Tehran Municipality building was also reportedly burned. A regime police outpost in the Sadabat district was rendered unusable.
ANGER IN QEREC: THE REGIME IS LIKE ISIS
During mass demonstrations in the city of Qerec, protesters chanted slogans comparing the Iranian state to ISIS. Similar slogans were reportedly heard in many other cities across the country.
<CONFLICT IN ROJHILAT
In a region of Rojhilat-ê Kurdistan, clashes erupted after regime militias opened fire on civilians. The footage shows that some militiamen were killed when the civilians retaliated against the attacks, and their bodies were seen being carried away.
<'Molla Islamic Studies Center' Burned Down
As protests continued across Iran, the Mullah Islamic Center was set on fire by the crowds. The demonstrations, which continued throughout the day, did not stop despite the internet being cut off.
<FRIDAY PRAYERS WERE HELD IN PUBLIC SQUARES.
In Iran, people performed Friday prayers in protest areas instead of in mosques controlled by the regime. Following this, it was reported that regime security forces ordered an attack on the protesters.
<INTERNET CUT OFF, PROTESTS CONTINUE.
Simultaneous protests began across the country at 8 PM, while internet access was largely cut off in Iran and Rojhilat (Eastern Kurdistan). As a result, many images of the protests are reportedly inaccessible. Despite this, people continue their protests in the streets, chanting slogans such as "Neither the Shah nor the Mullahs."
>>2637845There is no other way to achieve a socialist revolution. It has the risk of becoming a capitalist state under new management? Yes, that's always the risk. Still worth it.
>>2637856>he thinks opposing a pipe dream used to excuse reactionary states is the same as fellating the existing orderclassic polarist blunder! in other news, the iranian government massacres civilians
>>2637262>are the Iranian government pants-on-head retarded?yeah probably
>>2638027
there is a special kind of idiocy that the islamic republic has, they make enemies of about anyone except the military and clergy, they are nothing but tepid opportunists who seek personal profit and power at the expense of most of the population, and some will say "BUT THE IRANIANS HAD TO DO THAT! THE WEST WAS GONNA GET THEM ANYWAY", if the islamic republic was basically just a shia saudi arabia, the west would have loved it, they'd have no reason but to support it in spite of this and other failings, as long as they can get a cut of the butchery
>>2637476>islamofascist government Iran is a bourgeois republic. It overthrew the fascist government.
>>2638071Shahite Iran was a bourgeois monarchy it was overthrown by fascist class collaborationist militia
>>2638027
>they have a shitload of oil and still manage to not have water in the faucets
They have tap water. It's more a long-term problem that is potentially facing agriculture. The water thing is exaggerated in the Western media, RFE/RL, and OSINT accounts.
Mutipolarism is dumb
Funniest outcome is both the US and Iran are overthrown at the same time but I no longer believe in humor-determinism
>>2638086the shah was the biggest ally of the USA in the middle east (even more than israel at the time) you fucking retard, and the oil money was used to buy americans weapons
>>2636845>>2636943>>2638068>>2638086>>2638090Based Takes Comrades, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2636911>>2636943>>2636961>>2637383>>2637493>>2636934>>2638080Why are you a Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah Simp Comrade “Gay Nazi” Anon, 😂🤣🤢🤮🤔?
>>2636921Palestine is being Genocided while the Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah is busy slaughtering his own people, due to the fact that the Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist “Islamic Republic of Iran” is a Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2638110>the shah was the biggest ally of the USA in the middle east (even more than israel at the time) <source: my assThat's why they had contacts with cuckmeini and later armed him
>the oil money was used to buy americans weapons<Iran–Contra affair, 1980 … Israeli arms deals, 1980curious
>>2637970Holy based. People's republic soon
>>2638009>pre-history to 1990 - not unipolar>1990-2026 - unipolar>unipolarist: anything but unipolarity is a "pipe dream" so we must shit on everyone and everything that tries to oppose the hegemon comrades!you can lie to yourself if you want but we know what you are
>>2637970This is AI saar its photo OP
I hate to always assume so negatively but there is no way that any socialist state could come out of these protests, if the government Is toppled then it will just be another American McVassal-State like Egypt or Turkey
>>2638146yep, Iran falling just means it joins the Epstein Accords and becomes an enabler of Greater Israel. Remember who was shilling for this here.
>>2638134>lets cherrypick hard with a cropped screenshot quoting bbc and the exiled shah after his defeat, and no linkso you're not a retard, you're a lying slime
<U.S.–Shah alliance>Strategic alliance and geopolitical importance>Iran's border with the Soviet Union, and its position as the largest, most powerful country in the oil-rich Persian Gulf, made Iran a "pillar" of US foreign policy in the Middle East.[56] >James Bill and other historians have said that between 1969 and 1974 U.S. President Richard Nixon actively recruited the Shah as an American puppet and proxy>President Nixon, who had first met the Shah in 1953, regarded him as a westernizing anticommunist statesman who deserved American support now that the British were withdrawing from the region. They met again in 1972 and the Shah agreed to buy large quantities of American military hardware, and took responsibility for ensuring political stability and fighting off Soviet subversion throughout the region>Permitting Iran to purchase U.S. arms served Cold War objectives by securing the Shah’s alignment with Washington after Iran had briefly explored Soviet alternatives in the 1960s, while also benefiting the American economy>In the 1970s, approximately 25,000 American technicians were deployed to Iran to maintain military equipment (such as F-14s) that had been sold to the Shah's government>The Shah was generous in awarding American universities with financial gifts. For example, the University of Southern California received an endowed chair of petroleum engineering, and a million dollar donation was given to the George Washington University to create an Iranian Studies program.[63]>Prior to the Iranian Revolution of 1979, many Iranian citizens, especially students, resided in the United States and had a positive and welcoming attitude toward America and Americans.[65] From 1950 to 1979, an estimated 800,000 to 850,000 Americans had visited or lived in Iran, and had often expressed their admiration for the Iranian people>Despite continuing Nixon’s arms sales policy, granting Iran wide access to U.S. weapons, Ford faced internal opposition and growing concerns in Congress>Later declassified documents suggest that key U.S. policymakers underestimated the risks of destabilizing their long-time allyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_States_relations
>Iran–Contra affair, 1980 thats after the revolution, and the point was to get money for the contras, not to arm iran which was the mean
six months ago Iran was dropping ballistic missiles on high rises in the middle of tel aviv, pretty obvious where these protestors are getting funding from
>>2638217based, shame they can't compete with mossads pricing
>>2638219Me when my neoliberal theocracy is unpopular amongst workers
>>263822230 shekels deposited into your account
>>2638162Did you even read the report? The left opposition was the fucking MEK
>>2638125No wonder you are sympathetic towards zionism lmao
I have no love for the regime, but I think we all know that such uprisings, justified as they maybe, have the risk of allowing an even worse force to co-opt it.
IMHO, in regards to this don’t denounce and don’t cheer. Wait patiently and observe.
>>2638228Who was Iran at war with during this time?
>>2638108>u.s. overthrownYou can wait until the heat death of the universe for treatlerites to lift a finger against their oligarchs
>>2638146>I hate to always assume so negatively but there is no way that any socialist state could come out of these protestsYeah no shit
How did you ever even entertained that idea?
>>2638232It is very related to everything. Your logic is the same one people use to say that Lenin was a German agent or Western capital into the NEP is proof that it is controlled by capitalist powers
>>2638237>Lenin was receiving arms and intelligence by the west to genocide Russian communistsNah pretty sure that didn't happen :/
I believe that was the mullahs you're so eager to get on your knees for
>>2638239>the bolsheviks never killed communists when they thought it was necessarythanks for the info mossadbro. tell us about other irrelevant stuff from a thousand years ago
tt is a good example of why the bolsheviks sometimes decided they had to kill some communists
Revolution status? Has Iran collapsed yet?
>>2638292has the polymarket xitter account always acted like a fakenews newsfeed?
>>2638292>>2638276>>2638302If cucktollah (greatest cuck) didn't find his dummy thick ass backed into a corner, he wouldn't be killing dozens and crying muh Mossad every 5 minutes
>>2637970Relax lesser cuck
Hello I'm a 1917 Bolshevik I just woke up from my cryosleep chamber… can I ask why communists are doing damage control for a capitalist theocracy?
>>2638324I wanted to awake comrade Lenin so he could be just as bewildered by your actions but the neo-Tsarist pigs in Red Square stopped me
>>2638305>Venezuela threatened with blackmail and invasion>Mexico getting bombed>Cuba on its knees and near collapse>Russians getting captured by Americans on open waters and Trump is now going for to the last Ukrainian to make Russia submissive and aim it towards China>Iran is collapsing and likely end up into another Libya >Algeria is under 60 days to normalize with US ally Morocco or get MADURO'D by the USThe Axis of Resistance is falling apart like dominos
>>2638330Half of the states you listed support what's happening to the other states lol
>>2638332Just saying that 2026 is rapidly becoming where decades happen lmao.
>>2638330Good. Maybe MLshits will start supporting actual communists instead of these neoliberal shitholes.
>>2638338You do realize there would still be four more ML states left if Cuba collapses right?
>>2638338They will start supporting Saudi Arabia instead. Multiliberals already glazing it check the mena thread
>>2638330>Cuba on its kneesThey’ve been saying this for yonks.
Meanwhile in reality, Cuba is amassing military forces to support Venezuela and other Latin American countries.
>>2638338>Cuba>neoliberal shithole Stop using words you don’t understand, anon
>>2638303Yeah. Well they want new retail traders to pile in, then they'll get rugpulled.
Anyways I'm in one of these OSINT discords and there was some PJAK guy posting updates about an operation they conducted around Marivan. He was getting a lot of support. Then just a few minutes ago announced there would be no more updates and they were going dark. So either those guys are dead or the operation is otherwise over. Well, that's information operations.
>>2638351>Stop using words you don’t understandThere are studies written on the neolib economy of cuba qeq
Cuba is a neolib state.
>>2638365At least you are admitting that their is a Real Kurdish Uprising happening in Iran to Liberate East Kurdistan from the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran” and create a Kurdish SSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2638351If Cuba wants to survive they need to follow the example of the DPRK and build Nuclear Weapons and Ballistic Missiles in order to defend their Socialist State from U$ Imperialist Aggression, while also making their Electric grid 100% self-sufficient and 100% renewable by building lots of Solar Panels and Windmills, and reducing all dependence on imported Oil/Gas, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2638393>At least you are admitting that their is a Real Kurdish Uprising happening in Iran I mean it's not like a confession. I'm aware they exist. Actually he might've been a PAK guy. That's a different group. It's easy to confuse your Kurdish militants.
>>2638393It's too late for that. The nukes had to be built years if not decades ago.
>>2638418Sadly you are probably right Comrade, but that doesn’t negate the fact that Nukes combined with Energy independence are the only things that can save Socialist Cuba, and the fact that their Communist Party has not figured that out is a sign that they have gone “soft”/Revisionist since Fidel Castro died, and they really should have rejected Khrushchevite Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Revisionism and embraced the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, rooted in the Immortal Thought of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, and currently being practiced by the CPI (Maoist), CPP-NPA-NDF, TKP/ML, and the Shining Path, in their ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, respectively, due to the fact that Maoist PPW is the only proven Scientific method to have a successful Communist Revolution that establishes a Dictatorship of the Proletariat (One-Party Marxist-Leninist-Maoist State) in the Socialist Mode of Production (Centrally Planned Socialist Economy), with Maoist PPW currently viable in the Material Conditions of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, while in the Imperial Core, Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time, when the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (All of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted) that would place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
fizzled, like all hopes of insert third world country becoming USSR 2
Nepal?
Indonesia?
Syria?
Madagascar?
Mexico?
>>2638451My friend was so hyped about Indonesia but nothing happened. Wtf happened in Mexico qrd?
>>2638338this. ML is a total dead end which wasn't even true during Lenin's time.
>>2638474MLiberalism didn't exist during Lenin’s time.
>Bread and Cereals: Annual inflation for bread hit nearly 98% in some regions following the removal of subsidies.
>Health and Medical Costs: These have spiked by 50%, making basic medicine inaccessible for many.
>>2638467Based, during the World Maoist Great Proletarian Revolution in the future Global USSR the International Red Guards will bulldoze/burn down all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas worldwide and arrest all Priests/Monks/Nuns/Imams/Rabbis and force them to March through the streets wearing Dunce Caps on their way to the re-education camps where they will be re-educated to embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism (This will also happen to all Fascists, Liberals, and Revisionists), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2638491>selling off of the Iranian state and Iranian natural resourcesIranian oil is privatized and owned by multinationals including euro ones.
>the destruction of all workers' rightsIranian workers regularly get beaten and shot for striking against the privatization of their enterprises, horrible wages and working conditions
>the immiseration of the Iranian people and the whole country thrown into poverty and crime Iran has immense wealth disparity, regime's children enjoy luxurious villas in the west while the state exploits the extreme poverty locally to run underground prostitution and drug industries. There are countless videos of Iranians protesting sex tourists who the state accommodates and gives religious justification.
Everything you tried to paint as an 'alternative dystopia' is pretty much Iranians daily lives. You wouldn't know since you're a western labor aristocrat class traitor. Your death genuinely advances the international labor movement forward.
I want Iran to collapse because they're turbo cucked LARPers and the Government are complete and total fucking shit tier and are already doomed to fail as the population largely despises them.
Also nice to see every single reactionary non-Socialist thirdie shithole that idiot campists simp for get BTFO'ed because as I will say time and time again, the left spends all it's time on simping shitholes purely out of teenage angst anti-Americanism under the guise of Anti-Imperialism instead of actually engaging in real Anti-Imperialist politics (You know, actually seizing power and stopping their Governments from engaging in imperialist acts).
Also frankly, sending waves of missiles towards Israel, then phoning up Israel, the UK and US and giving them direct trajectories to shoot down is pure cuck behaviour.
lots of glowies in this thread
>>2638544>(You know, actually seizing power and stopping their Governments from engaging in imperialist acts).Like in syria lol, do you like cucks?
>>2638523Fell for another syria award
>>2638546Don't google Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
>commieslol
lmao
>>2638552>Don't google Molotov-Ribbentrop PactWhy do you talk like a nafoid?
Tough year for the people wasting brain power and time in hooliganism for capitalist states.
>>2638556Stalin was a nafoid doebeit
>>2638558Stalin killed a lot of nafoids in the baltics which is fine by me
>>2638546Until Barbarossa, genuinely much of the Western Left would openly support Nazi Germany out of Anti-West spite, I absolutely believe that.
>>2638549What did Westoids "Socialists" do in Syria? The BO literally banned everyone who didn't dicksuck Assad despite it was obvious Assad built his Government as a house of cards on top of quick sand.
>>2638523>Iranian oil is privatized and owned by multinationals including euro ones.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_Oil_CompanyWhy are you lying?
Oh yeah, that's right.
>>2638561>What did Westoids "Socialists" do in Syria? The BO literally banned everyone who didn't dicksuck Assad despite it was obvious Assad built his Government as a house of cards on top of quick sand.Why dont you straight up say you like that Israel and US cocksucking Jolani?
>>2638565>Iranian oil isn't privatized because… uh…. the constitution says so or somthin (plz ignore multinational oil contractors operating our fileds)So Iraqi oil wasn't privatized by the US neither because it is officially still state owned lol
https://www.iranoilgas.com/companies/listforeignEuropean oil companies own Iranian oil. Thx and cope again tomorrow :)
>>2638566Lmao, do you Campist faggots have any fucking argument when you are hit in the face with reality?
What happend to Assad after Russia won the war for him? He went even more retarded and corrupt, couldn't even keep electricty on for more than a few hours a day while shovelling money into the pockets of bourgiousie for support, then the entire country fell over with a slight breeze in under a week.
You faggots are actually unreal in how delusional you are. You cannot face the reality that the people you support are complete and total hyper-corrupt incompetents, who's entire population hates them, they only have institutional support through corruption. No, it must all be the CIA and Mossad. Did Mossad cause Assad to cut benefits during a drought? Did the CIA stop Assad from rebuilding instutitons correctly post-war, meanwhile the fucking Islamists were able to restore working order within weeks?
No, you just support incompetents because they claim they are anti-US while offering no real opposition.
I will never, ever carry the water for hyper-corrupt incompetent shitholes like Iran, Venezuela, Syria because it's obvious to anyone with fucking eyes their Governments are on running down to the last grains of the hourglass and supporting them makes us Communists look fucking insane.
Want to know why China doesn't send soldiers and top tier military hardware to help these shitholes? Because they know they are extremely untrustworthy.
I mean for fuck sake, Iranian intelligence and military officers were being bribed to work for Israel for as low as $100, that is how fucking shit that country is.
Raise a new flag of cope.
>>2638589>The Iranians work with foreign companies so the nationalized Iranian oil company don't realCan I have your badge number, please?
>>2638595>do you Campist faggots have any fucking argument when you are hit in the face with reality?well of course,the one they always use :
"You are either with us, or against us"
a quote they took to heart,don't remember which multipolarist said it tho
>>2638602That’s dork vader from start wars III (2005)
>>2638601>The Iraqis work with foreign companies so the nationalized Iraqi oil company don't realI'll pass, George Walker Bush Jr.
>>2638612Did you even look at those companies? Most of them are engineering companies.
>>2638615>companies that specialise in oil exploration, extraction and refinement are engineering companies Yeah just like Shell and Chevron are engineering companies.
You have to admit It's funny how the post US intervention Iraqi oil industry is structurally indistinguishable from le wholesome socialist Iranian one lol
>>2638561>Until Barbarossa, genuinely much of the Western Left would openly support Nazi Germany out of Anti-West spiteNo, out of orders of cuck Stalin, despite local sentiment.
>>2638546the american empire is the closest equivalent to nazi germany in the world today
>>2638651You have it backwards, Nazi Germany is Americanified Europe
No war but class war
>>2638630Where does it say that they work with Shell and Chevron?
No one is saying that Iran is socialist. We just have principles instead of being retarded direction brains.
>>2638554It's crazy how so many so called leftists are just liberals in disguise
>>2638664Read Marx.
Leftism has always been the left of capital
>>2611371 >>2638680Marx can suck my dick
>>2638595>CampistSure retard, because I said I support Iran. You are a dense fucking moron, the only thing I have pointed out that currently *any* alternative is worse, the opposition ranges from "bomb me harder daddy israel" to "lets restore the monarchy so we can subject women to cruelties that will make Iran look like a kindergarten". Jolanis gov supports the protest btw, what do you like about him so much?
>>2638681Not even pretending anymore. Jump off a bridge.
>>2638595>I will never, ever carry the water for hyper-corrupt incompetent shitholes like Iran, Venezuela, Syria because it's obvious to anyone with fucking eyes their Governments are on running down to the last grains of the hourglass and supporting them makes us Communists look fucking insane.Muh optics lol. No wonder you talk like one of those "progressive" liberals on twitter, you want them to like you. Pathetic.
>>2638698I’ve never pretended, Marx was a westoid and would have been a zionist if he lived to the 20th century. He wanted nothing more than to move to Texas so he cod displace “non historic” people like mexican in the name of “progress” and developing productive forces. It took Chinese and Cuban hands to turn his worthless writings into anything workable.
>>2638707Point proven lel
>>2638708>It took Chinese and Cuban hands to turn his worthless writings into anything workableThey butchered him in other words. Hollowed him completely out and now China has billionaires, Cuba is a shithole that doesnt understand reintroducing private property and focussing completely on tourism when you are a tiny fucking island next to a superpower is just retarded. Nice job.
>>2638708Marx was a west asian semite, actually.
>>2638716Good, fuck him, him, Engels, and Hegel and every other euro should be butchered, drunk fuck that couldn’t put the beer or adultery down
>>2638717Jews are just porkless whites
>>2638719Its a multiracial religion.
lenin would have shot everyone here
>>2638721The ethopians are the absolute most brutal settlers and IDF commandos, they would be drinking on the beach with Karl Marx in Tel Aviv as he finally finished Capital volume 4 over the corpse of a Palestinian
>>2638708Classic reactionary retard but youll fit right in here.
>>2638728He was literally German born to protestant parents and a product of western universities, if Rousseau didn’t exist Marx would be the most western man to have ever lived
>>2638726I don’t fucking care, just like Marx didn’t care to finish volume 4
>>2638731To assume an omnipotent 'western culture' exists is to be an orientalist mind raped by 17th century western colonialists see
>>2638728 you know what we need. WE need a non white marx.
>>2638734To assume the western proletariat lives in contradiction with its bourgeois is to have your head in the fucking sand
>>2638737This is what zionists and nazis believe btw
>>2638742It’s been 150 years since Marx died and not a single revolution happened in a western liberal bourgeois democracy, not a one, because he was fundamentally wrong about the worming class, yes I said worming, not working, that’s what they are and always will be.
>>2638744I don't blame you I say the same thing after interacting w western multipolartards online
>>2638744Well why would they? Western liberal democracy is superior to communism i mean just look at how big of a shithole the ussr was.
>>2638747Buddy I’m talking about real life, every western worker just goes “this sucks, everything else is worse though” and smoke weed on shift, they will never fight, they will never stick their necks out because they know they have it better than 90% of humanity and will continue to reap the benefit of being “in the club” until a bad breakup finally gets them to dome themselves or try fentanyl
>>2638748It’s always better to steal than to earn or make something
this has got to be the most retarded thread on the board right now
>>2638752Wah wah wah who are you? Jenny Marx? Check your drunk husband
>>2638753All the world’s resources and labor
>>2638756Wow thats pretty impressive why are non westerners so weak inferior?
>>2638744There will be one
>>2638760If it was possible it would have happened already, it hasn’t so it won’t
>>2638759Western Europe never had a united empire after Western Rome fell so you had a noble class forced to adopt socially destabilizing technologies and religious ideas to compete with each other lest they be conquered by their neighbors. In comes the Ottoman Empire and now euros have to pay taxes to trade and the greedy fucks don’t want that so they try sailing west and find two whole continents with people who have no immunity to Euro diseases to rape and plunder. That wealth is used to conquer the rest of the world and they came up with fake fucking idiot ideas like liberalism, socialism, fascism etc.
jannies cant do their job
>>2638768It’s called a wah wah you fucking philistine
>>2638766It's all a spook
>>2638766Sounds like you're just salty westerners are better than you.
>>2638769Fuck off you rulemongering snitch, Marx was a bitch but he wasn’t a stickler and a snitch like you are
>>2638744Bait, but fundamental misunderstanding of Marx. The working class being revolutionary derived from at the time was their tendency to be corralled together in industry. Class is merely a network of individuals and that is why the communist party needs to facilitate their potential. Later many felt the lumpen became the revolutionary subject or the global south itself. Unfortunately, anon, it seems like it's not a class issue, but rather a speed in which reaction can occur to revolutionary efforts.
>>2638774I’m gonna spook your fucking asshole
>>2638773Don't care + didn't ask +you turd worldist anti-imperialists need to read a fucking book
>>2638782Reading is for faggots
>>2638781There are no assholes
>>2638762The reason why there hasnt been a revolution in the west, is because the west heavily benefited from imperialism. Revolution happens only in countries that experienced total socio economic collapse, were imperialized heavily from foreign powers, and etc. Western countries so far havent fit these categories.
Though that probably will change since climate change is accelerating……..
>>2638779If the class existed in the first place you wouldn’t need the party, they’d do it on their own
>>2638788Utterly fucking delusional.
>>2638784I’m gonna tear you one
>>2638789Not as deluded as anyone still calling themselves a communist or a marxist outside of China
>>2638790Hi, gonna tear you one, I'm dad
>>2638595thermonvclear trvke
>>2638786If it was possible it would have happened already
>>2638792So you are an anti-communist?
Reported
Yes, the Iranian regime is corrupt and dumb and hated by the majority (especially Khamenei himself). This is difficult to deny at this point.
The downfall of the regime would be a massive W for the US and make the region 10 times more US-Israel dominated than it already is.
I don't feel great about either option, it's pretty grim.
>>2638799Multipolar cope is over its back to being a monopolar world
>>2638800China still exists, Oriental Despotism will prove to be the only force capable of combating liberalism
>>2638795>it would have happened alreadyExcept not really. America never experienced total socio economic collapse and being imperialized by foreign powers. Britain is the same way. France is the same way. A lot of western countries were the same way post 1850s.
>>2638797Literally me snitching mulitpolarsistars to the CIA.
>>2638805The 1930s were total social collapse for every economy outside the USSR
>>2638801Lenin can lick my nuts that bald fuck
>>2638808Great depression does not equal total social collapse. Especially when the government usually came in and prevented the worst things of that happening. Total socio economic collapse is something closer to the state china was in 1930-1949
Mods, ban him for anti-communism
>>2638801Galloway is that you?
>>2638807As communists always do, pretend to be counter to the order but always in its service, you’re a punk, a hippie, a beatnik, except you don’t even make good music
Islam is the only alternative to liberalism
>>2638814would /leftypol/ pick traditionalist religiosity or liberalism?
>>2638815Hamas was clearly chosen over Israel so yes
Btw the "socialist alternative" to the Axis of Resistance, the SDF, are taking a beating as we speak. The middle east is gonna be all US backed monarchies, US backed sunni-jihadist LARPers and Tel Aviv psy-trance raves from now on.
>>2638813What's wrong with trance? If I had time I would make trance music
https://youtu.be/aJgvnVf_Z0I >>2638815Iran is a neoliberal shithole
Hamas ran Gaza like a neoliberal shithole when it existed
>>2638816>>2638815But both of those are religiously traditional
>>2638819You would have time if you weren’t a smug prick
>>2638822I would have time if I didn't have to work for a living and wanted to keep some decent living standars.
>>2638823>and didn't want*Anyways, You are retarded for implying revolution is not happening in the western world because the proletariat have already tried multiple times.
>>2638823If you actually wanted it, you would make time, you don’t so you won’t because (you)s are a free dopamine hit and more rewarding than anything creative or crafty
>>2638825They’ve literally never tried since 1918 Germany, not once
>>2638820>Hamas ran Gaza like a neoliberal shithole when it existedI think you're a fucking retard just spouting words i don't think you even understand.
Please do show us wrong by explaining gaza's economy to us though.
>>2638826Yeah no, I don't think you know what is like to work 12 hours a day as an ironworker.
>>2638831I work 8 hours a day as a steel wire worker
>>2638829Delulu, The American proletariat revolted when Floyd got murdered.
>>2638823>living standards You mean your treasure which neither moth nor rust will corrupt, your capital.
>>2638827I'll leave it to the 'leftcom'flag incel. I have better things to do.
>>2638835All students and lumpen, just like every other riot
>>2638799>This is difficult to deny at this point.No it isn't. There's large pro-gov/anti-riot rally going on right now. the majority oppose this crap and know it's a foreign op to enslave iran to israel. that's why it's failing like the last one.
>>2638800"anti-campist" fingers crossed
>>2638836So fucking angry
>>2638838>No student has to work for a livingDelulu
>>2638835>cross-class libshit protests are proletariat revolutions nowJust admit you're an americuck 'nationalist' (imagine lol) is that so hard to do?
>>2638842Ironic when you are the nationalist here lol
>>2638841Students are not workers, period, they’re the children of the petit bourgeois and the haute bourgeois, universities are where the ruling classes reproduce and the fact that Lenin and Marx and all that nonsense fill those libraries should tell you your ideology is not and never has been a threat. Marxism is just another fake flavor of liberalism to set up fake conflict for this fake military and this fake life and it’s all fucking
FAKE FAKE FAKE >>2638845Nationalism is honest, internationalism isn’t, simple as
you know maybe we should merge nationalism with socialism
>>2638845I agree with this
>>2638848 You're honest about your nationalism while you misconstrue my internationalism for nationalism because you can't even begin to think otherwise
>>2638847Yes those are all interchangable, one entity
>>2638835>The American proletariat revolted when Floyd got murdered.Haha, good one!
Wait no… You actually believe this?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAPS: Get ready Mr.Revolutionary, the Dems need you to get beaten to a pulp, for the
2020 2024 2028 presidential election again.
Isn't the 'leftcom'fag supposedly a Mexican? You're gurgling on amerilib chode while they're bombing your shithole?
Nice fanfic
>>2638851The CIA also said that the protests are organic in other instances so I'll take their word at face value like you do
Also that Iraq had wmds
Look at this silly little ziggy butt brain thinking that recognizing the revolutionary sentiment of the Floyd protests is somewhat equal to supporting the US bombing Mexico
Mods, ban him for being fucking stupid.
The people that did the floyd protests are literally invading your country right now, they’re going to kill you and rape your family
>>2638846>Class is a rigid systemDidn't read the rest of your post because you are stupid.
There was no revolutionary sentiment “abolish the police” is liberal nonsense
>>2638859Except that the people invading "my" country are the ones the American people protested against during the Floyd protests.
>>2638863Nah I'm a real uygha
Floyd protests were liberal idpol rather than revolutionary/proletariat. they had no class consciousness just race consciousness. but protests against police repression have promise because it might become hard to avoid class at some point.
>>2638866The American people want to kill you for free tequila, you’re an LLM
>>2638870Race is class in the US
>>2638874There’s nothing to replace it, so yes
>>2638871I have talked with enough American people to know that is not the case
>>2638873The bourgeois are also against violence against women. Is violence against women not a revolutionary sentiment?
>>2638872no it isn't. it's just disproportionate. that something correlates a lot with class doesn't make it the same thing.
>there is nothing to replace it
Delulu
>>2638870You are delulu, there were a lot of class related issues being brought up during the protests
>>2638878The Americans you talked to lie as they breathe, they will gladly kill you and your family and steal your house, that’s how they’re gonna get out of college debt, all Americans are your enemy
>>2638882Delulu
Mods, ban him for sectarianism
DELULU
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DELULU
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imagine being this cucked to someone else's country man, bleak. "The American proletariat revolted when Floyd got murdered" lmfao
>cuck cuck cucked cuck
Mods, ban this half channer
>>2638888Quads confirm btw
I'll ask this question here but
What does
<this mean
Orange text
Fuck Marx, Fuck Engels, Fuck Lenin, Fuck Trotsky, Fuck Bukharin, Fuck Luxembourg, Fuck Pannekoek, Fuck Althusser and most importantly FUCK YOU
>>2638896True, everyone’s an individual now, and because of that organization isn’t possible
>>2638892People usually use orange quotes to signify something is from an article or piece of writing and they're not quoting other anons in the thread
>>2638897i see, thanks anon, not used to vichan
>>2638901that makes sense, thank you anon!
Why are you fuckers so hopelessly clueless at keeping up with and posting relevant news as its happening
https://x.com/WarMonitorsLatest developments regarding Iran
>>2639089Look its cool they want the islamic republic gone but can they not suck off the US so hard?
>>2639103Yes well done the cunt is biased, unfortunately for you he also keeps up with the latest events
>>2639104>unfortunately for you he also keeps up with the latest eventshe just posts whatever he read on the xitter vine
>>2639107Which is more than you cunts seem to be able to do
>>2638595these states are nothing but complete failures, yet some people here will still have wet dreams about how they can still win, it's pathetic really
>>2638705yeah optics sometimes matters, if every communist organization are supporting hyperreactionary dictatorships that don't even oppose the US and are hated by their own population? that does have an effect on support for them, because no reasonable person is gonna see that and go "these are reasonable people who live in reality", they're gonna see a group of lunatics
>>2639109Maybe if the thread was more than constant bickering then more people would bother to post news and information.
Even despite the fact that it is basically always ignored the threads that are high-information.
>>2638707It's over
>>2638799Nothing ever happens
>>2639169terf overlap with zionist is 100%
>one of the first pictures an Iranian chudette has on her twitter is of her hairy legs
Holy kek.
Out of the people the government has arrested, the ones with ties to armed groups I've seen seem to be kurdish (komala, kurdistan free life party). Are there any non-kurdish armed groups confirmed to have carried out attacks?
so nothing happened?
Goddamn it's good to be American
>>2639232the good guys are winning. another evil imperialist scheme foiled.
>Trump administration officials have had preliminary discussions about how to carry out an attack on Iran including what sites might be targeted, U.S. officials say - WSJ
Now that the terrorist attacks and riots are failing, the Epstein regime may instruct the Pentagram to do bombings out of spite and to cover for their failure.
>>2639098Based, this is what Maoist China did to all Reactionary Religious shit during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, and any “Leftist” who disagrees with this Praxis is not a Real Communist, but either a Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Revisionist Marcyite Campist who fell for the Anti-Communist lie that the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran” is “Anti-Imperialist” and that Islamist Reactionaries are “Progressive” or a Postmodern Liberal Idealist Foucauldian Anarchist who promotes the “Cultural Relativism” Horseshit that Reactionary Religions like Islam should be coddled and fetishized just because they are “Non-Western” when in reality their is no deference between a White Evangelical Protestant Christian Zionist Nationalist Fascist MAGAtard, a Ultra Orthodox Zionist Jew, and an Islamist Muslim, beyond Aesthetics and slight differences in their Schizophrenic Religious Texts, 😂🤣🤢🤮 ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
this is zionists destroying cultural heritage not leftists destroying symbols of religious oppression though
saw a massive protest in london waving monarchist flags and there was even a rented van with a giant screen, broadcasting a speech from the shah's son lmao.
Why do anti-imperialism focused leftists pick the worst possible countries and governments to defend?
Countries like Iran are so obviously terrible to live in, corrupt, weak, and unsustainable. The idea that they could fight back against the west or that their victory would benefit socialism, is delusional.
China is basically the only country it makes sense to support.
>>2639290absolutely nothing happens
>>2639401its always fucking london are they unable to get the diaspora to not be nationalistic? happened with pakistanis and indians
>>2639413>the worst possible countries and governmentsthat would be usa, israel, uk. iran doesn't even come close
>>2639413>Why do anti-imperialism focused leftists pick the worst possible countries and governments to defend?there's not many options to choose from
>>2639417i think london in particular is home to these diaspora exile groups everywhere because they hope they can influence politicians and get the UK's help (and MI6 cash) to overthrow their home countries.
I think there is a good algorithm for finding out whether unrest is coopted
>"the diaspora" in London and other westoid cities supports it
sizzleshar? fizzleni?
>>2639420In terms of the morality of their behavior as geopolitical actors, sure, but I'm referring to things like the strength, institutional efficacy, and life in these countries as citizens. The reality is, despite the declining quality of life, recession of civil liberties, and partisan polarization in western countries and their close allies, these countries are still better in all those regards than any other country in the "axis of resistance" save for China. Keep in mind even China is still behind in a few important ways and they have to avoid missteps if they want to catch up.
>>2639413>Why do anti-imperialism focused leftists pick the worst possible countries and governments to defend?More of a meta argument here, but there's a lot of heavy-handed propaganda about Iran and I just don't want to buckle to it. I don't like astoturf that is repeating the same thing over and over relentlessly telling me what to think. I'm at a loss about whether Iran is worse than that, because it's the former which I'm being subjected to everywhere I go on the internet right now. But maybe if I lived in Iran, then I'd think differently and be a Reza Shah fag. Maybe not though. That said I think if you pull a Calla and go to Iran and pose in front of ballistic missiles while giving a speech about how Iran is the only bulwark against imperialism then that is bizarre and I have to think some kind of dislocation has taken place.
>>2639475>The reality is, despite the declining quality of life, recession of civil liberties, and partisan polarization in western countries and their close allies, these countries are still better in all those regards than any other country in the "axis of resistance" save for China. The Axis of Resistance specifically refers to an Iranian-aligned axis in the Middle East, not China. But while you're not wrong, it's my thinking that what contributed to the radicalism of the Iranian government is things not going great in the first place. Like, maybe think about these things in more structural terms which is produced historically. Jordan for example has integrated with Western economies and received benefits from that, but the more interesting question is what contributed to Jordan going down that path and Iran going down a different path, rather than "Jordan = good" and "Iran = bad" like we're living in the moral equivalent of a Power Rangers cartoon. That's not how the world really works.
At any rate, I want to know what is likely to happen, or what the situation really is. It's very hard to do that when you're getting bombarded by propaganda constantly because the intent of it is to manipulate your sense of reality for a desired political effect. The fact is, there are still millions of Iranians who are Khomeinists, and more perspective Iranian dissidents in intellectual circles acknowledge that even if they got really lucky and overthrew the government, they would still have to find a way to integrate those people, because they're not going anywhere. Looking through pro-regime accounts right now gives a very different impression from the anti-regime side. One side is exaggerating the protests while the other side is downplaying them. But from what I can tell, there are crowds which have gone through some neighborhoods and smashed up bus stations but that's still very far from seizing centers of government, communications channels, the airports, etc. with assistance from defecting military troops.
>>2639428If there's an exile group, they're always in London
>>2639522>The fact is, there are still millions of Iranians who are Khomeinistshow many now compared to say, 15-20 years ago? i doubt the islamic republic is on its last legs, but i don't doubt the protests and riots are gonna continue to rise in popularity, the islamic republic is from what i can see, a military dictatorship that may very well collapse given its immense amount of problems
>>2639539I have a very hard time imaging a collapse that wouldn't push them hard into failed state territory, as in, tribal and sectarian violence that ends up in genocide of undesirable groups, as in, what happened in Syria and many other countries nearby, all while westoid oil companies scoop up the oil and turn it into another israeli-islamist breeding ground for more terrorist attacks elsewhere.
Iran is also arguably the very first country to be annihilated by climate change. Any kind of mitigation would require a capable centralized state.
With that said, yeah Iran is a pretty bleak place already, it's just that things can always get much worse.
>>2639567iran is actually different, syria, iraq, etc are all effectively colonial constructs, the iranian state on the other hand has lasted so long, there aren't really any tribes in iran beyond say the kurds or the khuze people, so a full on "failed state" scenario i'd argue would be unlikely, what is more likely is the government changes, the oil in the persian gulf is sold off to western powers, and the country begins to improve for the median iranian, and a secularist policy is implemented
>>2639539Iranian politics isn't as simple as Khomeinists vs anti-Khomeinists. All sides of the Iranian political spectrum refer back to Khomeini and the Islamic revolution but interpret both in different ways. For some, Khomeini was a democratizer, a socialist, and others see him as a principalist or an autocrat. During the Green movement protests, both the government and the protest movement invoked the image of Khomeini. For the protestors, they were carrying forward Khomeini's vision of Islamic democracy against an illegitimate and corrupt government, while the ruling establishment saw themselves as defending Khomeini's line. The political and religious leaders who backed this movement were all imprisoned and there was a very severe crackdown on them.
The Masha Amini protests were very different. The Green movement protestors used 1979 revolutionary slogans, prayed in the streets, carried pictures of Khomeini and Shariati etc. they wanted to realize the dream of an Islamic republic. Their whole criticism was that the government had failed to deliver. The Amini protests weren't like this at all. The urbanite middle classes in the cities distanced themselves from Islam, seemed anti-Islamic republic, didn't make use of religious slogans, and even tore down pictures of Khomeini. There has been a whole generation of young people who grew up online with little connection to the 1979 revolution or the Green movement, whose leaders have all been imprisoned. But if you look at the rural areas, you find more religious and local orientated protestors who were saying things like "the Islamic republic is neither Islamic nor a republic" and opposed the government but weren't calling for a secular state or the restoration of the monarchy. The interesting thing is that one of the leaders of the Green movement, Mousavi (who served the Khomeini era cabinet) has since come out and said that the Islamic Republic should be disestablished.
>>2639567and also the only reason this happened in syria was because the assad government was a rule of minorities, syriac christians and alawites who ruled the state for their own purpose and continued to radicalize the sunni muslims, who were the majority of the country, i cannot imagine iran collapsing in that way, because it is ruled by a majority religion, and the sunni population in iran is minimal regardless, it's different in almost every way, i could see that happening more to a country like saudi arabia than iran
>>2639579yeah i know it isn't, but you can see in that a trend that is actually remarkably similar to protests in eastern bloc states, the first protests in the 50s were more or less demanding a fair bit of change to the government, while still respecting it, the second wave in the 60s and 70s wanted a great change in the government, questioning more of it, and the ones that toppled it in the 80s, wanted a complete disestablishment of the government, fundamentally the only reasons why the last few protest waves in iran want a complete disestablishment of the islamic republic is precisely the same reason why those in the eastern bloc did as well, because any reform within the government was seen as a failure, and so the state itself became the enemy
>>2636677you should vocaroo your posts
>>2639583Yeah, in the Eastern bloc and the USSR, the biggest opposition to the government came from other socialists. The authorities focused on cracking down on them to such an extent that there was no viable opposition but the counterrevolutionary liberals. In Iran you have a similar phenomenon. One faction has seized control and is suppressing internal opposition (the hardcore principalists around Khameini) but in the process they've wrecked the credibility of the entire system. Many young people look to some alternative and what they see online or in gusano produced media broadcast into the country from the UAE, they see liberal democracy as an ideal or get exposed to images that play up how modern and normal Pahlavi era Iran was. Of course, they weren't old enough to experience it.
In more ways than one, Khameini is very Trumpian. The way he accuses protesters of being puppets of Trump, that's the kind of polarizing rage inciting thing Trump would do lol
>>2639526Marx comes to mind
>>2639591it is the worst of both worlds, really
>>2639413>The worst possible countries and governements to defend?Huh? I dont see any anti-imperialists defending the u.s. or any eu countries?
Thats what the treatlerite "left" does
>>2639591>in the Eastern bloc and the USSR, the biggest opposition to the government came from other socialistsabsolute bullshit, do glowies really think people are dumb enough to buy this?
>>2639439Wouldn't that mean the opposite? London is far away from Iran.
>>2639598The ACP/Zigger crowd shills for Trump, AFD, Meloni etc
>>2639619do you know literally nothing about the eastern bloc protests in the 50s or 60s? they were led by socialists and communists who felt the government at the time wasn't representative of them
>>2639651>The ACP/Zigger crowdLiterally who cares. Stop being addicted to twitter and these freaks stop existing.
This is bad
Do the pro "protestors" people not realize that if the Islamic republic falls, nobody is going to stop Israel?
>>2639660still waiting for them to stop israel
>>2639662Iran is the last (and the most important) obstacle to Israel's hegemony in the region. The only country that doesn't bend down to it. Netanyahu had been talking about taking it down for decades.
Plus it helped and armed various organizations that resisted Israel, Palestinian ones included.
>>2639539i read an article that used the number of voters the conservative candidate got in the last election as a proxy for hard khomeneists and that was 13.5 million
i heavily doubt that this is gonna be another zionist regime change OP, althroooough i could be really wrong at all.
Iran is another cucked government and refused any help to tackle the israelis, plus the thing holding back the iranian people from reaching their potential is the islamic regime.
I highly doubt even the liberal of most liberal iranians even want to ally with the west or israel, i feel a actual workers revolution would happen.
I could be horribly wrong and misguided and it could be another israeli/turkish OP on the region, but guessing the struggle of leftists and communists that were betrayed by scum like khomeini and khamenei
>>2639660they don't care. they're special and unlike those dirty arabs in syria, libya, sudan, yemen, etc that israel and the uae have balkanized. nothing of the sort would ever happen to the superior iranian people
>>2639682Well not even Khomeini's own family came to the government's defense during the Amini protests, so the number of Khomeinists isn't a good measure of how many people are pro government.
>>2639690>I highly doubt even the liberal of most liberal iranians even want to ally with the west or israelThey tend to be conciliatory and many are pro-West and pro-Israel. What hurt the anti-government secular liberals after Oct 7th was their embrace of Israel. And there's a whole chunk of nationalists who have this "why should we care about Palestinians?" line.
>>2639708supporting saddam's invasion of iran is truly retarded
>>2639710Did the Palestinian families that Iran murdered with the help of Bush support Saddam?
Well the Mossad were on the right side of history by arming Iran
>>2639576Azerbaijan alone would be grounds for annexation and that is just one ethnic group. The sectarianism and fallout of a Iranian collapse is immense and will take a decade to resolve. Saddams dream of Arabs in the Southwest joining Iraq potentially could happen
>>2639576What? The Syrian and Iraqi states existed since Ottoman times.
There was literally an Iran-Iraq war in the 17th century
>>2639695>>2639708Based Takes Comrades, the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran” is complicit in the Zionist Genocide of Gaza by both doing nothing serious to stop it (Launching Obsolete MRBMs and contacting the U$ and the Zionist State to make sure they all get shot down does not count) and participating in the October 7th Mossad False Flag Attack that provided the Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza through the Mossad-controlled Iranian Proxy “Hamas”, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2639710Saddam Hussein launched his Invasion of Iran in order to both defend the Secular Socialist-leaning State of Baathist Iraq from Shia Islamist Terrorism and to Liberate the Oppressed Nation of Arabistan from Shia Islamist Theocratic Persian Fascism as a first step to reunite the Arab Nation in one country that includes all of the ethnic Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa (This Secular Leftist Arab Nationalist Baathist dream of a reunited Arab Nation will finally be achieved in the Arab SFSR of the future Global USSR shown in my Maps), which is why the USSR and Maoist China backed Baathist Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War while the U$ and the Zionist State backed the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran”, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
This is why I cannot wait until the Controlled Opposition Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist “Islamic Republic of Iran” is overthrown in a Maoist PPW to create a Persian SSR which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan, in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (In both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first Map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2639744*18th
>In the early 18th century, Iraq became unified under the Mamluks, and they assisted the Ottomans with their invasion of Iran in the 1720s. In turn, the Iranians invaded Iraq three times between 1730 and 1776; they failed to capture Mosul and only briefly occupied Basra after a long siege.[15][16] Both countries had conflicting interests over the Kurdish emirates. >>2639714>IranGaddafi's Libya,Baathist Syria,DPRK,Bulgaria,China,Poland, East Germany,etc.
>IraqU.S.A.,U.S.S.R,France,Egypt,West Germany,etc
>NeutralCountless Countries
Just this alone should tell you the war was a geopolitical play based off of interests. Israel saw Iraq as a bigger threat than Iran and wanted a Soviet-German style "let them kill each other" mentality. To put that as Iran supporting zionism is naive
>>2639756>Iran fueled Israeli tanks for two decades cuz they had to win an inter imperialist warMuch better.
You haven't answered why they ethnically cleansed palis with the help of Bush
Does anyone actually read King Lear's incoherent emoji filled rants?
One under-discussed aspect of these protests is that they seem to only occur at nighttime.
It's probably cause it's safer for the protesters and whatnot, that's not important to discuss. The real problem is people acting like these are what's gonna bring down the regime and all even though they're too timid currently to challenge state authorities in broad daylight, which again is unlike the Mahsa Amini protests.
The whole talk about "Iranian proletarians" sounds like CIA "hello fellow leftists"
>>2639758You are moving the goalpost because the original topic was Iran-Iraq War in the 80s and Israel support. Also where is your proof of Palestinian genocide?
@2639777
>the original topic is the Iran-Iraq warLMAO
Thanks for conceding Iran genocided Palestinians at least twice
>>2639708 >>2639712 while the protesters did nothing of this sort
Uncritical support for protesters against their genocidal Mossad backed regime
Nobody talk about the new security agreement between t*rkey, saudi arabia and pakistan who's not so subtle goal is to gang up on Iran in service of the u.s.?
>>2639759If you actually read my posts and ignore my unique eccentric/eclectic writing style, you would realize that I have the best Dialectical Materialist analysis on Leftypol, due to it being rooted in the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️! By the way what do you think of my in-Depth Dialectical Materialist analysis at
>>2639748 , 🤔?
>>2639787Why can't you drop the gimmick and write normally
>>2638546Yeah I dont live in Europe or USA so it would not be my problem
>>2639790surely its an AI bot
>>2639793One we know was backed by Mossad at one point with billions of dollars the other's 'proof' is netanyahu and cucktollah said so
One genocided palis the other didn't
Simple as
>>2639784Turkey isnt talked about enough to be honest. Those weasels need to be bombed into the stone age and forbidden from every having a military ever again.
>>2639795Yes, he's a rogue NSA program called: Project KINGLEAR. God knows why it decided to target this site.
>>2639790Because I think it is cute and entertaining for both myself and most users on leftypol (This is proven by the Scientific surveys that proved that a majority of users here like me even if they disagree with certain positions I hold, largely because of my entertaining persona) and it is important to have some funny stuff mixed in with the extremely serious Material we talk about in order to make the subject matter less Depressing, which is one of the reasons I like the relaxed, laid back, Non-PC Imageboard environment of Leftypol much better then other Leftist websites/forums that don’t allow you to have any fun and make everything super serious/depressing to the point that many people get burnt out really fast, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
Another move on the chess board to bring us one step closer to the establishment of Greater Israel
>>2639811Greater america*
>>2639813Israel is rushing to bring on Greater Israel
before America collapses
>The only thing standing between us and greater Israel is *insert country that supported the war on terror*
heh
What's with the "Iran is collaborationist with the west" talking point? I've seen it repeated here many times and it's absolutely stupid. Is this site targeted by CIA?
>>2639818and the worst part is that greater israel already exists, and is already going to continue to expand, in spite of the islamic republic existing and doing everything it does!
>>2639825iran participated in the global war on terror, iran was a major recepient of israeli aid in the iran-iraq war, the iraqi government established after the US invasion is mostly ruled by shias with direct connections to the islamic republic, there's more than that but it's just blatantly obvious
>>2639827Even if it true, the current wave of "protests" is an obvious western psyop. What kind of brainrot do you need to have support it? And with fucking Trump threatening to intervene.
>>2639829>Even if it trueall of those are true and more, you can find wonderful things with a search engine
>the current wave of "protests" is an obvious western psyop.they're the result of the islamic republic failing and being such an obviously corrupt and ineffectual government that anyone below the age of 40 in iran has no sympathy whatsoever for the islamic republic and sees the shah, once the prototypical brutal iranian dictator, as a preferable option than what the islamic republic is, is that not a condemnation of the islamic republic itself? that the population are so eager to cast it aside to be an american puppet?
>>2639825>>2639827Since all multipolartards care about is lesser evilism, it is convenient to bring up how their lesser evilism is fully content with co existing with their greater evilism
Saying Iran is a bourgeois state is proof enough to any communist, but even with your twisted standards Iran still falls short by its history of collaboration with western imperialism.
>>2639830>population are so eager to cast it asideAh yes the "population"
Anyway you are some kind pro zio/American shill. Goodbye.
>>2639835you are genuinely retarded, goodbye also
>>2639830>sees the shah, once the prototypical brutal iranian dictator, as a preferable option than what the islamic republic is,Nothing back this up at all. People have issues with the Islamic Republic but they don't like the Shah still and don't have preference towards it.
>>2639827>iran participated in the global war on terrorWho is also a direct victim of Al-Qaeda and Sunni extremism? Maybe you can connect the dots. Also it wasn't full cooperation because Bush administration plan was dominoes to take out Iraq and head into Iran but Iraq become more of a disaster than expected and ended up derailing that plan
>a major recepient of israeli aid in the iran-iraq war, Almost like it was a complicated geopolitical war with different members selling to both sides and members within the WP and NATO supporting different sides
>>2639756 >the iraqi government established after the US invasion is mostly ruled by shias with direct connections to the islamic republicWhat does this have to do with western collaboration . If anything it is fatigue for the west and a big reason for the rise of ISIS which Iran played an important part of stopping
>>2639807I like your posting king lear. I enjoy reading them and your style
Glory to the resistance
Fuck the monarchists, imperialists, Zionists and crypto-leftists
Free Palestine
Reports say 6 billion dead so far
>>2639876Why now? I guess the real issue is that the material conditions of the people have worsened. Obviously one would like that to not be the case, and getting rid of the fascism would be a plus. To bad at least in the western media they seem to have been promoting basically a western liberal monarch - if he just wants to be a figurehead it might not be too much of a big deal - don't know. They're their own people though; hopefully they're able to defend themselves from foreign influence and internal enemies.
Bigger question is: Is do Arab Spring style protests actually get results, especially in this cultural context.
Either way it matters little what I say. >few thousand protestors in a country of almost 100 million
>the "population"
>grassroots movement
>revolution
What's the average autism score of these people?
>>2639876The Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran” has done nothing for Palestine and has in fact been complicit in the Zionist Genocide of Gaza as I explained in my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis Effort Post at
>>2639748 , 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2639894I don't give a fuck about their material conditions. If IR falls Iran will be balkanized like Syria, the Palestinian cause will collapse without Iranian support, and the Zionists will remain unchecked. They should know better.
>>2639894Arab spring style social media protests are absolutely successful at mobilizing a large enough chunk of the population to overthrow regimes.
But they have yet to convert the organizational potential of social networks into new social relations of production, but the technology is there.
Inevitably they just end up with another corrupt oligarchical state.
Why do they think they can have a safe transition of power with the demonic Zionist entity running rampage in the region? Idiots. Fuck them and their "protests".
>>2639908>>2639910>If IR falls Iran will be balkanized like Syria>another corrupt oligarchical stateI'm probably being naive, but I don't think I can oppose people standing up against fascism and poverty. On the other hand I think I agree that a thousands of protesters are unlikely to be able to change the regime in this case. It's further entirely possible that if they were successful that things would not work out. Maybe I should just think of them with all these things in mind…
I've been living under a rock, so I'm just now trying to understand this issue. But I think it's entirely reasonable to support them as a reformist movement?
>>2639902You must be a Newfag Comrade (no offense, we all were Newfags once), as I have been on Leftypol since 2020 so I predate all that “AI”/ChatGPT shit, 😂🤣✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2639908If you don’t care about the Material Conditions of the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World (including those in Iran), then you are not a Real Communist (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist), and the tragic reality is that the Palestinian cause is collapsing with the phony “support” of the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State “Islamic Republic of Iran”, the Zionists are completely unchecked after beating Iran in the Kabuki Theatre “12-Day War”, and what you call the Balkanization of Iran is really just the National Liberation/Self-Determination of the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan, in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, 😂🤣🤢🤮✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2639933>Jewish ssr in Palestine Kill yourself. You are so transparent.
>>2639859>Who is also a direct victim of Al-QaedaAl-Qaeda had training camps inside Iran, the reason Al-Qaeda lost was inter-sunni war with local Iraqis that Iran was also killing. Iranian-backed Iraq allowed ISIS into the country when Iraqis got uppity. Iraqi workers paid for US-Iranian imperialist pet project that is the post-2003 regime, they're the victims.
>they were planning to invade Iran after Iraq<Prior to the invasion, the U.S. assured Iran through backchannels that it would not be targeted next.Iran trusted Bush enough that it sent its goons to act as cannon fodder for the US army lmao
>Iran fueled Israeli tanks cuz it needed to win an inter- imperialist warYeah I'm sure the Palestinians who crushed by those tanks appreciate this.
Nice of you to ignore Iran's genocide of Iraqi Palestinians thanks to its ally Bush and their support for the invasion of Afghanistan.
Unkkkritical support for Iranians against their western cumrag regime
>>2639926Oh I agree. It will be another corrupt oligarchical state but it's better than a theocracy.
My overall point is more about organization abilities of social media when it comes to protests and mass mobilization. If/when this gets applied to labour organization, then we are looking at something seriously revolutionary.
When did this board become crypto Zionist?
>>2639948When Islamists war on terror apologists were allowed in
>>2639951This poster
>>2639933 spams this picture of "Jewish ssr" in place of occupied Palestine. How fucking transparently Zionist can one be? If he's sincere and actually thinks that this is Communism, then I don't want to be Communist. Or Marxist or whatever.
>>2639932
>Al-Qaeda had training camps inside Iran.
You are unironically citing U.S. state department rubbish. Al-Qaeda had networks in Afgnaistan and of course had operations near Khorasan because of proximity. To even say training camps in Iran shows how far gone you are.
>prior to to the invasion
The US would have had a nightmare scenario if Iran and Iraq had gotten together out of convenience. They still very much disliked each other and the 1980s were still fresh. The US desired to take them out one by one. Where do you think the nuclear Iran talk came into play? Again the operation didn't happen because of how disastrous Iraq became.
>goons
Which Iranian soldiers died in the Iraq war?
>Yeah I'm sure the Palestinians who crushed by those tanks appreciate this
You are the anons that say China is committing genocide for trading with the Israelis. Iran nor China are the ones committing genocide
>>2639948It has for a while since 10/7. These posters just try to be subtle about it
>>2639943I feel so stupid, just caught myself thinking that a military intervention might be justified if they start killing lots of people. It's so grim to think about. Have no idea how the moral calculus works out.
>>2639973I just don't want that cuck pretending to be the shah to take over. This guy has never done a job his entire life and just lived off donations from the diaspora.
Iran waves the cuck flag of watching while doing nothing
>>2639947>My overall point is more about organization abilities of social media when it comes to protests and mass mobilization. If/when this gets applied to labour organization, then we are looking at something seriously revolutionary.I have no idea what I'm talking about, but Jane F. McAlevey had a pretty great criticism of this approach to labor organizing. Just in that it tends to negelect power and instead emphasizes on messaging - or signs. She says mobilizing rather than organizing has advantage in things which don't fundamentally change the power structure. Anyway it seems massively more expensive, and I already do nothing.
>>2639948it is the policy of the modteam to support relentless propaganda attacks against all enemies of the US empire as long as you frame it in a vaguely left way, especially when they are under active aggression
its always like half the posting in these happenings threads
>>2639995the islamic republic still committed ethnic cleansing of palestinians in iraq, still massacred tens of thousands of communists, still participated in the global war on terror, still gave the US money to fund contras in nicaragua
>>2638004THERE IS NO COMMUNIST PARTY IN IRAN. THERE WILL BE NO REVOLUTION. THERE WILL BE INSTEAD SYRIA-IFICATION, THERE WILL BE VICTORY FOR ISRAEL AND USA, COLLAPSE OF ISLAMIC REPUBLIC WILL NOT LEAD TO SOCIALISM BUT WARLORDISM WHICH BENEFITS ONLY OTHER POWERS.
A REVOLUTION THAT IS NOT SOCIALIST WILL NOT IMPROVE ANYTHING, IF ANYTHING, IT WILL ONLY WORSEN THE SITUATION IN ANY CASE. ANY REVOLUTION THAT DOES NOT PROPEL COMMUNIST PARTY INTO POWER AND DOES NOT ADVANCE INTREST OF MARXIST-LENINISM GLOBALLY IS WORTHLESS AT BEST AND REACTIONARY AT MOST, NO LESS THAN GLOWUYGHUR-SUPPORTED MAIDENS. COLOUR REVOLUTIONS HAVE NEVER LED TO SOCIALISM IN ANY CASE.
You are such a retarded fucking faggot that it is nauseating.
>>2639990100 years of history is not enough to teach you that no matter how many unions and strikes without party NOTHING IS POSSIBLE. ORGANIZED AND CONSCIOUS VANGUARD(EVEN FAI IN SPAIN AND TEV-DEM IN ROJAVA). WITHOUT THE PARTY THAT IS CAPABLE OF ARTICULATING DICTATORSHIP AND CAPABLE OF TAKING POWER, NO RIOT AND REVOLUTION HAS LED TO SOCIALISM. ITS NOT AMBIGUOUS, ITS A SETTLED MATTER - NO PARTY, NO REVOLUTION IN ANY FUCKING CASE.
NO PARTY - NO REVOLUTION. REDLIBS NEED TO BE SHOT.
>>2640010>>2639947Either you are a fucking retarded bitch or a glowuyghur, the reason why IRAN is fucked right now is because of very REFORMISTS AND LIBERALS WHO PRICE-LIBEREALIZED AND DISMANTLED INDUSTRY, KNEELED TO USA, not because of vague muh islamism. Then how would 'revolutionaries' waving the shah flag who want to recreate Syria and Yemen in Iran improve things whatsoever?
The current revolution has zero answers to problems faced by Iran, it has zero revolutinary potential, redliberals as this speciemen is incapable of understanding that the situation will only worsen even if the regime is toppled as long as there is NO COMMUNIST PARTY.
>>2640053Will this glowuyghur revolution improve the conditions of living or economic situation? Will it be able to reverse desertification and austerity politics? Is it even capable of replacing the present government without creating new Syria and Yemen with hundredfold worse separatism which is 100 percent inevitable?
Then the question is settled. So called glowuyghur revolution will not improve the situation of population and country in any meaningful sense, only cause balkanization and collapse of state in style of syria and yemen, it will advance interests of Israel and USA which imposes greater and more organized reaction and despotism, then any redlib who dares to talk of muh mullahs should be executed as xir demonstrates utter lack of understanding of stakes and basics of the matter. Lack of strategic thinking and materialist analysis, but vibes based muh womxn glowuyghur bullshit without thinking whether this would improve anything or worsen everything.
>>2640040A typical red-liberal does not understanding anything about how revolutions occur. It occurs when one strong party replaces another. If there is no communist party, there is no revolution. Repeat this mantra endlessly because this is the answer to every leftoids washed up in frenzy over the newest chimping out 'popular revolt' without thinking whether this will actually lead anywhere or just be yet another maiden and syrian bullshit, only to be inevitably disappointing before latching onto the next hot shit. They lack fundemental grasp upon reality itself.
>>2640040It os crazy that some do not understand this
>>2639948>Zionism is when you criticize Islamists for massacring communists and Palestinians Go back to r/TheDeprogram if you want to endlessly lick the boots of Russia, Iran and similar shitholes who are not even nominally socialists like China and Venezuela.
>>2640174Isn't the deprogram anti-russia and anti-iran lmao
So is Iran just going to end up with an El-Sisi? Basically a dictator that deep-throats the U.S. and Israel?
>>2640178>Isn't the deprogram anti-russia and anti-iran lmaoNo, it's a pseudo shithole populated by MLs.
>>2640190Got it but its bizarre you are pressed by "tankies" here of all places.
>>2640174This poster would have to be sent to r/socialism with his take and logic
>>2640174Can someone give me a guide for subr*ddit ideologies? I dont' use Reddit
oh rye on
It is truly sad that the hopes for a reorganised Left in Iran, for militant activity of the workers, now seems to have vanished in the air. Nothing in the current wave of protests reminds us of the shura of the workers of Haft Tapeh. Instead, it’s the Shah’s head lurking around.
>>2640216>Nothing in the current wave of protests reminds us of the shura of the workers of Haft Tapeh. Instead, it’s the Shah’s head lurking around.Source, aside from the Shah/Netanyahu said so?
>>2640216the national bourg knows that, if the regime falls, the probability of they keeping their private property, and therefore, class privilege is still higher than if a leftist movement occurs, that is because the foreign capital do not care aboutu taking over the entire country, they just want to become the preffered trade partner.
This is why "anti-imperialist" national liberation movements are fucking retarded, and why anybody that blindly defends them because of >muh anti-imperialism should unironically be castrated as to stop them from polluting the gene-pool.
>>2640217There are no independent labour or trade union organization that has not been destroyed by the government. A lot of the businesses in Iran (whatever remains after the general deindustrialization of the world after 2008 anyhow) have been taken over by various IRGC related institutions who introduced military control and patronage to the workplaces, and the "national bourgeoisie" faction of the reformists have been completely annihilated by sanctions, and with them gone many industrial workplaces are gone also. I do think this is a good move on part of Iran, but leftists need to realize that there's not gonna be some socialist revolution if the government is to fall
>>2640226>Bourgeois regime suppresses real revolutionary movements to the point that it makes color revolution a realitywhao… if only this was avoidable
>>2640053This is shielding the Islamist elite from responsibility i think. It was the Islamists under Ahmadinejad who privatized much of Iranian industry, and it was they who benefited from the skyrocketing prices of dollar because they can obtain dollar from the much cheaper official exchange rate compared to their national bourgeoisie counterparts. In comparison, who do you think provided the most amount of capital and labour for the reconstruction period in 2011-2016? The national bourgeoisie, not the Islamist bourgeoisie, who were more focused on building their paramilitary deep state.
>>2640228The Iranian regime is already revolutionary, at least before the reactionary Thermidor prepared by Khamenei which devastated the nationalist bourgeoisie. After the fall of Rafsanjani the Islamist bourgs focused more on empowering themselves at the expense of the nationalist bourgs, and now Iranian civilization is again at risk of becoming an Imperial shatterzone. I won't be surprised if the Taliban rolled to Khorasan next year, with how much the state has degenerated
>>2640237>The Iranian regime is already revolutionary>nationalist bourgs>Iranian civilizationOh I'm talking to a schizoid sry
>>2640259Well of course, what do you think is at stake here? That the US is gonna impose some retarded puppet government in Iran under that doddering senile Pahlavi who can't even speak Iranian, and that they will impose neoliberalism much like the Yeltsin government in Russia?
If that is so we should all support the Shah, because the Iranian state as it existed is already a neoliberal state no different from Turkey or India. If the choice is between a neoliberal state sanctioned by the West and a neoliberal state not sanctioned by the West the latter is much better
But that is not what is at stake here! Look at what happened in Yemen, in Sudan, in Libya. The atlanticists no longer just want to impose a puppet state. They want to have *no state at all*, because the masters of the world benefits from the destruction of any national civilization that can stand up to them. Hence why they are content with leaving Libya and Sudan to the dogs rather than trying to impose a favorable, unified state in the same manner that Bush Jr did in Iraq. This is the 'imperial shatterzone'. And this is what at risk in Iran right now. The Atlanticists wants an Iran divided into a dozen warring cliques like Libya. The rest will be destroyed by either climate change or Taliban. This is a mortal struggle waged by Iran for the survival of Iranian civilization, much like the one carried by the USSR in the 40's to save Slavic civilization
Netanyahu won
>>2639764You brought up this happening at night. Ran across this analysis Mayadeen guy. (So, Hezbollah iirc.) Auto-translated from Arabic. Now I'm aware this guy is also motivated to oppose the protests (and riots) but his theory is that the primary audience is actually to influence Trump's decisions and influence him into attacking Iran.
>Analysis of What Happened in Iran in Recent Days
>Based on what I will mention later, I imagine that the image intended to be displayed through the digital media campaign and the unprecedented organized sabotage operations regarding what is happening in Iran was targeting only one person, none other than U.S. President Donald Trump.
>From a digital material perspective, and without delving into the complexities of Iranian society, the number of protesters is much smaller, and according to Western observatories as well, where they reached a total of 15,000 across all of Iran on the peak day simultaneously. Such protests cannot threaten the regime, especially since the middle class as a whole or the majority is still sitting on the sidelines.
>What is intriguing is that such actions—sabotaging public infrastructure, arson, random killings, and terrorist acts—as in most countries around the world, usually neutralize this silent majority, many of whom may be dissatisfied with the situation, but if the alternative is this, they stay put.
>And it's clear from the statements made by the detainees afterward that their recruitment method and operations are nearly identical to the confessions of agents in Lebanon, according to what Radwan Mortada usually leaks in his program. The movement is organized in the manner of attacks on civilian infrastructure solely for sabotage, not for building up to create greater outrage or for the police to respond harshly to peaceful protesters, thereby gaining momentum as happened previously and putting the regime's position at risk.
>The issue here is that the Israelis are not foolish enough to carry out short-term actions that are undoubtedly harmful but, first and foremost, will not lead to results, as they will also neutralize a large segment of the silent majority. So what is the goal? I expected that it might be to create chaos that Mossad cells could exploit in the movement or to occupy intelligence forces with these matters—possible, this could be the case—but it is also insufficient to achieve massive distraction, since the apparatuses in Iran are diverse and can operate on multiple levels.
>The remaining logical explanation is an attempt to influence U.S. President Trump's decisions, and it has become clear that he receives his information from the media and social media. He is a personality, as I said previously and still insist on my view, who avoids risk and seeks profit at low material cost, as well as avoiding the loss of American soldiers.
>In the previous war on Iran, Trump told Netanyahu that he would disown him if the attack plan on Iran failed, and he participated in the final hours of the war with a strike whose cost to him was nearly negligible, and it had a major internal American impact, and he still talks about it to this moment. Even regarding American domestic politics, there is a clear pattern that he is a man who loves big words and big shows and exaggeration, but he does not like big wars, and nothing has happened up to this moment that contradicts this view of him. That's why I said that it is possible to deter and intimidate him, as happened in Yemen—of course, with differences in priorities and importance for each arena—so he backs out and claims an agreement for a ceasefire that the other side is unaware of.
>Netanyahu understands Trump as a man who loves praise a great deal, regardless of the significant influence of Zionist financiers on Trump, and that war with Iran is costly and impossible for "Israel" to undertake on its own—underline the word impossible. As long as Netanyahu continues through a policy of momentum and avoiding any uncalculated risks since the beginning of the war to avoid losing the war momentum or for others to stop seeing "Israel" as a god or to realize that it can be deterred using appropriate firepower.
>Based on the above, the best solution facing the Israelis and their allies in America is the opposite of what happened in the previous strike, which is to first draw Trump in to strike Iran, so either he causes the regime to lose its legitimacy, or they lure him into a war that might turn into a war of attrition and harm America, which has other priorities, so he fights for the Israelis their own Armageddon for free.
>But Trump here will not carry out the attack unless the cost is low, meaning striking on Saturday or Sunday so as not to affect the stock market on Monday and for the markets not to be impacted, and let's assume cleanliness. Nothing has happened in the world up to this moment that refutes this analysis despite its major implications, as he led an operation of deception and kidnapping of President Maduro but avoided a major war in South America up to now.
>It means presenting that the regime is on the verge of collapse and that protesters have occupied Iranian cities and that it just needs a puff to fly away, which is unrealistic—not because I want that, but because all the material indicators and numbers point to that in comparison with previous events. All of this may push Trump to decide that a single strike would be sufficient to topple the Islamic regime in Iran without high cost and in just two days. History is full of examples of how wars can drag on and drain empires despite being supposed to be lightning wars that were expected to end in just days.
>Another factor in the unprecedented Western media campaign, despite its contradictions on the ground and the internet cutoff to Iran, is that it is not primarily directed at Iranians but toward the Western public, especially the American one, to prepare pretexts for war and demonize the other—the regime is killing its people…—although I lean toward the view that it is to convince Trump for the benefit of the Zionist Jewish entity more than anything.
>Up to this moment, there is no large American military buildup in the region as happened during the previous war, but America can carry out long-range cruise missile strikes at any moment without needing such an operation. However, an operation similar to what happened in Venezuela or the last war requires the same buildup that is not present currently—aircraft carriers, air fleets, transport planes, and refueling— and we are still at about 10-20% of that, which is slightly more than the normal buildup. That can change in a week, especially since there is a larger number of planes in Britain.
>In summary, what I have written does not mean that the regime is in danger from what is happening internally at present, despite the economic problems and the need for reform and improving citizens' lives, but that a person is nearly certain that the goal of all this atmosphere is to influence Trump to bomb Iran and convince him that the regime will fall with a strike as a prelude to greater involvement that will include American losses he may not want for the sake of "Israel." This does not mean that they are different or that their interests are different, but there may be a difference in the ability to endure exposure to loss and priorities.
>On the other hand, there is a high parallel probability that Trump will back down if subjected to harm, as in a previous post, and that he will become more brazen if Iran refrains from responding to the strike if it happens—and this is unlikely—and the strike itself is not certain but has medium probability.https://x.com/Aly_jezzini/status/2010148300293370052 >>2640316>Iran-approved libshit analysis I'm good thx
Taking burgers puny brains into account, I believe that one of the reasons the US is reluctant to start a war with Iran is because it sounds too similar to Iraq, and that one is still causing 5k disabled vet suicides annually.
>>2640341thats 5k less peeple begging for VA & making noise
seems like a good thing for amerika
>>2640341<memeflags and so on still bickeringyep, its' CIA!
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