500 KILLED IN 15 DAYSPrevious thread
>>2635855Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
<Statement by Tehran and Suburbs United Bus Company Workers' Syndicate, dated January 07, 2026
>"Support for the people's just movement; advancing toward real freedom and equality, not a return to the past.
>Popular protests and strikes in various cities across the country have entered their eleventh day. Despite an intensified security crackdown, a heavy presence of law enforcement and security forces, and violent confrontations, the scope of the protests has remained broad and diverse. According to reports, during this period, protests have taken place at at least 174 locations in 60 cities across 25 provinces, and hundreds of protesters have been arrested. Unfortunately, during the same period, at least 35 protesting citizens, including children, have lost their lives.
>From December 2017 to November 2019 and September 2021, the oppressed people of Iran have repeatedly shown by taking to the streets that they cannot tolerate the prevailing economic-political relations and structures based on exploitation and inequality. These movements have emerged not to return to the past, but to build a future free from the domination of capital, based on freedom, equality, social justice, and human dignity.
>While declaring our solidarity with the popular struggles against poverty, unemployment, discrimination, and repression, we explicitly state our opposition to any return to a past dominated by inequality, corruption, and injustice. We believe that true liberation is only possible through the conscious and organized leadership and participation of the working class and the oppressed people, not through the reproduction of old and authoritarian forms of power. Meanwhile, workers, teachers, retirees, nurses, students, women, and especially the youth, despite widespread repression, arrests, firings, and economic pressures, remain at the forefront of these struggles, and the Syndicate of Workers of the Tehran and Suburbs Bus Company emphasizes the necessity of continuing independent, conscious, and organized protests.
>We have said it many times and we repeat it again: The path to liberation for workers and the working class is not through top-down leadership, not by relying on foreign powers, and not through the factions within the ruling regime, but through unity, solidarity, and the creation of independent organizations in the workplace and in life, and on a nationwide scale. We must not allow ourselves to be sacrificed once again in the power games and for the interests of the ruling classes.
>The Syndicate also strongly condemns any propaganda, justification, or support for military intervention by foreign governments, including the United States and Israel. Such interventions not only lead to the destruction of civil society and the slaughter of the people, but also provide another pretext for the regime to continue its violence and repression. Past experiences have shown that Western imperialist governments have no regard for the freedom, livelihood, and rights of the Iranian people.
>We demand the immediate and unconditional release of all detainees and insist on the identification and prosecution of the perpetrators of the people's massacre.
>Long live freedom, equality, and class solidarity! The solution for the working class is unity and organization."There are unconfirmed reports of a Soviet being created in the industrial district of Arak.
Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR Based
@2641160
Go back to rvddit or put on a flag so i can filter (You)
>500 people died
>according to diaspora human rights orgs
>>2641167Weird way to spell Tehran doctors
>There are unconfirmed reports of a Soviet being created in the industrial district of Arak.
Does anyone else remember how in every one of these Western-sponsored regime change attempts, there are always workers councils which seem to pop up, Benghazi, Syria etc… But then when the dust settles, they always disappear, and the evidence that they ever existed is always thin.
>>2641173ngl i do vaguely recall reading about those when it was happening at the time, unless i'm having a mandela effect moment.
I don't care if the US takes control of Iran I just want to see the multipolaristas seethe.
>500 Palestinians dead according to the UN?
>that's khamas diasporoid numbers, chud.
I like reading this guy stuff for updates about Iran currently. Yes, he's a liberal. Yes, he's a Democrat voter. Yes he has a lot of normie takes but also he's in iranian-american who despises monarchists and he hates the Shah so he says some interesting stuff about the ones who keep shilling the shah
https://xcancel.com/yasharLook at him. If you want
Iran is the only country in the world where a proletarian revolution can happen. It would be a big disappointment for all the russian saboteur lovers, the leftcels etc. And a big victory for the ziggers. The revolution will spread to Iraq and Assad will return to Damascus.
I really really wish the Iran thing means Communist revolution, but I don't think so.
>>2641195It will not be this time, but the terrain is being prepared.
Interesting perspective from Stanislav Mikhailovich:
>International analysts are skeptical about the chances of the protests in Iran leading to a change of power. Do you think the current regime will be able to survive?
Undoubtedly, the current spontaneous protests in Iran are occurring on a scale unprecedented in the entire history of the theocratic regime; however, I believe that the Iranian Ayatollahs will be able to retain power this time as well. It is possible to share the skepticism expressed by international experts regarding the potential success of another wave of unrest in Iran. Since Iranian society is isolated from the internet, mobile communication, and global media, the role and importance of external opposition are negligible.
The threats by the US and Israel to protect the Iranian people from potential punitive actions by the regime are more of a warning and are unlikely to lead to direct military intervention in Iranian affairs.
Internal opposition is weakly organized against the backdrop of a relatively large and integrated repressive state apparatus (including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and the paramilitary volunteer Basij forces, numbering over 250,000 in peacetime and up to 400,000 in wartime); there is no single leader, political organization, or party. In addition, there are the security forces, the police, and the regular armed forces. How these forces react in the current critical situation will be decisive: will they side definitively with the regime, remain neutral, or take the side of the broad masses?
It is worth remembering the spontaneous protests that erupted in Iran during the autumn and winter of 2022-2023: these protests lasted quite a long time – at least six months – but were ultimately all suppressed. In any case, the ruling regime is shaken and will have to reform the financial, economic, and possibly political spheres of state operations in order to remain in power. Adjustments in foreign policy are also possible.
Hundreds of billions of dollars spent on expanding the Islamic Revolution (Shiism) in the region have been wasted. Bashar al-Assad's puppet regime has collapsed; the "axis of resistance" against Israel, represented by radical Islamist groups such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Ansar Allah, Hashd al-Shaabi, and Kataib Hezbollah, has disintegrated. Israeli and US attacks on strategically important facilities have significantly weakened the country's defense and scientific potential. The country is experiencing a serious financial, economic, and political crisis.
<Does the Western media's support for the "exiled prince" indicate an intention by Western actors to bring a political figure under their control to power, or is there another tactic at play?
The West supports all political and social forces opposed to the Ayatollah regime, including the "exiled prince." Western actors seem to realistically assess that Reza Pahlavi's chances of ruling Iran after a possible overthrow of the theocratic regime are extremely low. This figure is used by the West only to weaken the authority of the Ayatollahs and as a symbol of protest. Ultimately, the Iranians themselves will decide who will govern the state or government.
<What does the figure of the 'crown prince' represent for Iranians? Is there support for this figure?
A return to a monarchical form of government in Iran is unlikely. Prince Reza Pahlavi, heir to the Shah dynasty and resident of the United States, advocates for the violent overthrow of the ruling regime and has expressed his willingness to lead a new Iranian government. Some protesters support his calls; however, in reality, this political figure serves as a symbol or alternative to the rule of the Iranian Ayatollahs.
The new generation of Iranians knows the monarchy only in its historical context and has no intention of replacing the Ayatollah regime, which has lost the people's trust, with a monarchical form of government. Even if the theocratic regime in Iran were to be overthrown, the only possible outcome would be the restoration of Reza Pahlavi's reputation and perhaps his return to his homeland as the leader of a monarchical party; nothing more.
<What is the likelihood that Trump will involve Türkiye in order to increase pressure on the regime and authorize the deployment of troops?
Turkey will stay out of the events in Iran; there is no justification for Turkish troops to be in Iran. Erdoğan, however, is more concerned with preventing his people from taking to the streets, given that inflation and the devaluation of the national currency are slightly lower than in Iran, yet the situation has become persistent and threatening.
>>2641203>Bashar al-Assad's puppet regime faggot opinion
>>2641207<hur dur i cant read anything except which i already agree withyou are a literal baby. go back to twitter if you want to post without saying fucking anything.
>>2641194
i had some tangential interactions with them hanging around green movement people 10 years ago. The most nutty was pro-israel kahanist while being an alt-right ayran race supporter. btw i saw their protest yesterday with large posters of the shah, make iran great again, and there was a TV van playing a huge video of him giving a speech. it was like the fucking moonies or scientology.
Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/>>2641220Also he hates the mek too
>>2641208not that anon, but I also certainly wouldnt trust a single word of an analysis that include such a dumbfuck zionist views
also are those protest really bigger than the previous ones for the girl killed, or are they just a lot more pushed by the western propaganda because trump decided he wanted to fuck with iran now? it definitely felt like they are not as big
Mossad is real hard at work on Iran
>>2641225Mossad is real hard at work in this thread too
Only cringe pahlavist weirdos dare to "support" the protests from outside, because it's the real thing happening. The mossad is scared as shit and is now minimizing, even the saddamists retards are shitting their pants because they know a Red Iran will groyp their zoonni asses, unlike the cuckatollah regime always fellating the muslim brotherhood.
>>2641208If you think Syria was an Iranian puppet regime you are simply unqualified to talk about the matters in question. AND a zio cocksucker.
I don't get the thought process of libtards here, even if LE MOSSAD takes over Iran it would be because Islamists genocided communists with the help of the west and dissolved all unions more recently.
They put themselves in this position and now they want to guilt trip us while they murder more workers? Their fall is inevitable and they shaped their own opposition, Iranian workers are just accelerating the process and they'll overthrow any bourgeois regime that get set up if any.
Islamists shouldn't have took so much bourgeois/western cock ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Can't Mossad the AssACK
Mossad is one hell of an intelligence agency if it turned Iran into an economic basket case, convinced the Iranian regime that it's a good idea to alternately machine gun protestors and offer them $7 per month (lmao) to stop protesting, and basically created the perfect conditions for the biggest revolution in Iran since 1979. This "Mossad is behind the protests" seems to me almost like those "theories" about the world being run behind the scenes by the all-powerful Jewish bankers.
>>2641255yeah le epic western-backed protests for democracy have had such a great run this century, you gotta be a conspiratard to believe that this one won't result in a communist revolution
>>2641257>Also it appears to be a matriarchy???very south korea coded
>>2641262
Solidarność was in Poland, not the Soviet Union.
>>2641160Don't mention the CIA financial aid for Castro's revolution.
>>2641258There is zero evidence whatsoever. Mossad decided to be more thorough in their propaganda push and are now invading the social spaces of communists to manufacture consent and approval for their plans to decimate the Iranian people and the state they live under.
The only ones decimating the Iranian people right now are the IRGC mowing them down by the hundreds with machine gun fire
>>2641278john bolton and rudy giuliani are also shills for MEK and the latter took $25,000. would be interesting to know the full extent of their influence in washington.
>>2641256>>2641258Communist party of iran are saying there has been a soviet formed in Arak
>>2641277
I'm side with the obviously preferable camp. You are inventing a fictitious third camp that you cannot prove exists.
>As in Tunisia and Egypt the revolutionary people are setting upcommittees to take control of the running of society. Reuter published a
quote of a woman in Benghazi that completely sums up the situation:
"Somayah, a housewife in Benghazi, said: ‘The city is fine now after a
group of lawyers and doctors, as well as youth volunteers, formed public
committees and are keeping things in order’."
>Engels explained that the state is armed bodies of men. In Benghaziand other cities controlled by the rebels, the old state has ceased to
exist. It has been replaced by the armed people, revolutionary militias,
which Lenin said were the embryo of a new state power. According to one
report, military checkpoints between Benghazi and Egypt to the east are
now manned only by armed militia. The young men carrying Kalashnikovs
subject a lorry driver to a desultory check. “But there is no government
any more!” the driver protests. The argument strikes the young men as
conclusive, and they wave him on with a smile.
https://communist.red/uprising-in-libya-tremble-tyrants/what happened to these people's councils in libya? these revolutionary militias? where did they go? why is libya torn apart the way it is today
>>2641178Damn, what a dumb fucking uighur post. There's nothing useful about (you), idiot.
>The Iranian working class upset about 1.47 million Iranian rials per 1 US dollar exchange rate hyper-inflation does not exist. It's a "fictitious third camp"
>>2641284Considering Mossad’s physical influence in Iran already, I don’t trust the idea the “Communist party of iran” hasn’t already been infiltrated, especially when they’re being overly ecstatic about the supposed existence of a “soviet” when said “soviet” will most likely be susceptible to annihilation by invading Israeli forces after the Iranian government collapses.
>>2641290Good lord that aged poorly.
>>2641298That’s proof of the statement’s existence, not proof that the statement is true.
>>2641301SBU basement in Kirovy Rog
>>2641298That just says that a couple of factories are now cooperatives.
>>2641302>>2641299Yeah I have no idea there is trouble with internet in Iran and they posted it today so might be just difficulty of information getting out but also might be bs or they might be retarded mossad agents idk
>>2641214It is time for the rise of Juche Iran. Workers of Iran rise up
>>2641312They “rise up” to American made bombs delivered by zionist hands
>>2641295>Gorbachev led USSR and Poland solidarity is inter-bourgeoisie violenceWhat bourgeois in the USSR and Poland?
I'll take the probability of a communist uprising over the continuation of an islamobourgeois regime tbh.
>>2641322There is no probability, so you will take nothing.
>>2641326Reported for anti-communism
>>2641330Any communist uprising you will call bourgeois the minute they become AES lmao
>>2641198Hum, has anyone ever seen an exiled (a proper one) Gonzaloid? Right now they should be on their 50-60s. From their online publications they seem like cousins
Are Hezbollah able to enter the fray in Iran? Or are theh still too weakened by the 2024 Israeli decapitation strikes?
>>2641329No
>>2641330>>2641333Whatever you say Mossad’s #1 and #2 fan.
>>2641338The latter. Yet another reason why regime change in Iran is not a good idea.
>>2641173it would be funny if iran became communist after america and israel jerking off to the idea of regime change.
but who really knows what is going on since the internet is cut off
Trump on board Air Force 1: "Iran is starting to cross it [my red line]. There seems to be some people killed that aren't supposed to be killed. We are looking at it very seriously, the military is looking at it and we're looking at some very strong options."
Trump tells reporters that the US would hit "targets you wouldn't believe" and at "levels you wouldn't believe" if Iran were to hit US military and commercial targets in response to a US attack.
>>2641173Arak has had a long history of labor organizing, and the authorities already raided three factories to dismantle a strike, arresting 150-200.
leftypol running interference for Mossad now?
>>2641387Stalin created Israel after all
>>2641385(((labor organizing)))
>>2641387It is blatantly obvious. The psyop this time around is even more widespread than when the US did missile strikes on Iran and Trump sent a picture where Khomeini was staying.
>>2641392That's antisemitic
>>2641408>stalinoid is a misogynistic prickas is always
>>2641415Iranians need freedom from plastic surgery more than any other freedom
>>2641406>now they're starting to feel the fury of the Iranian people.No, they’re feeling Mossad taking advantage of a bad situation. And this isn’t a happening. This is just more misery upon misery. Nothing is happening except for the boot stomping down yet again.
>>2641408Because the ones protesting in Tehran are urban elites who live a much more unregulated lifestyle.
>>2641406the mossad riots have already floundered. it's now time for the Iranian People in DC to conduct another criminal bombing. The anti-campists can hardly contain their anticipation.
>>2641408Western "feminism" doesn't exist, they just want to turn women into sexual objects after toppling islamic countries but its okay because its "le westerno"
Fuck liberals
>>2641424>it's mossad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!that's how you know the islamic republic is really losing, when the synchronised assertions of mossad influence come in
Why isn't Hamas helping? Where's Palestinian Islamic Jihad? Their main sponsor IR Iran is in trouble…
Question:
If the Iranian government is overthrown and the Pahlavis are re-installed, does this mean a huge blow to the Palestinian struggle?
Iran supplies the Palestinian resistance with its weapons. Hizballah as well. With the Islamic Republic gone, does this mean the ultimate win for Zionism?
>>2641150Are these claims of 500 killed accurate? What is the source other than western NGOs?
>>2641444Zios are claiming 3000 were killed. Atrocity propaganda like the beheaded babies.
>It's 2014, Russia fuels Europe with gas who coups Ukraine with banderites
>It's 2024, Russia military suppprts NATO Turkey who ousts Assad with their Al Qaeda puppet
>It's 2026, Russia provide most of Israel's oil….
Putler is either a mossad agent or an olympic cuck
>>2641448But what is the truth?
western outlets report death figures with such confidence yet they put so much doubt on any claim of deaths as a consequence of ICE operations in the USA
>>2641214>Workers’ Councils of ArakQRD?
>>2641454What's your opinion of her since I know you are not an assad shill
>>2641440the theocracy being overthrown and replaced with a secular liberal republic like turkey would probably lead to iran being friendly with israel, america, and maybe even the saudis.
but yeah, palis are fucked even harder if they go down.
but i think this would have bigger geopolitical implications since i think iran provides china with oil
and the anti western axsis would be down to russia and china and north korea
>>2641491idk, kind of goofy. She's pretty though. I'm in a positive mood right now so don't want to say negative things.
>>2641395Yeah these cunts with the 'Iran opposition' schtick show up every time there's an impending attack. Happened heaps just before the 12 day war.
>>2641493China and Russia have decent relations with Israel.
"Trump told reporters on Air Force One that Iran reached out to the U.S. yesterday and proposed holding talks on a nuclear deal. 'We may meet them'" - Barak Ravid of Axios
Update
Is there anything we can do from outside Iran to support the workers councils and soviets being formed in Arak, that are potentially also forming throughout broader Markazi and also Khuzestan?
Now could actually be a moment for change and the formations of a new socialist state. It's hard not to get too over excited at the possibilities.
No to Shahdom, Monarchy, being a Zionist puppet, being a US puppet.
No to Islamist fundamentalism, to fascist dictatorship, to the killing, torture and imprisonment of women and LGBT people.
Reminder if you see anyone either calling for a Shah or defending the current Islamist regime in this moment, now that we have actual organisation of the workers, then you are dealing with an anti-communists. Don't listen to the nonsense of either capitalist side. Not an inch for counter-revolutionaries.
>>2641295The "working class" is not a camp. It is a completely nebulous category in the political sphere if it does not have a party or unifying organization. Where is this party? Where is this unifying organization.
If there is none, then all that this supposed appeal to the workers is, is just the old neocon "We support the people of Iran against their government" slogan slightly changed to sound left-wing.
>>2641535Apparently it is an MEK guy.
>>2641555I have no idea why you keep spamming this image. Bush approves of a guy who was used to undermine Iraq. Oh wow.
>>2641493>but i think this would have bigger geopolitical implications since i think iran provides china with oiliran isn't even top 10 oil providers for china. they don't need them tbh
>>2641322You need multipolarity, and an aggressive one at that, for that probability to be non-zero.
Morning, (((IraKKKi))) here, I have links with one of the active communist parties in Iran and Iraq, although I distanced myself from them over theoretical disagreements, I'd be more than happy to fight for them in the event of a workers revolution in Iran. I'm salivating for spilling bourgeois blood.
Let these be the weeks where decades happen. My people yearn for freedom abolish the borders NOW!!!111111
>>2641541Come to Iraq we will jump the border habibi
>>2641555Can you at least make Dubya make sense. He termed axis of evil and he was a firm believer of unipolarity
>>2641440I think iran is one of the biggest financiers of Hamas so the Palestinian armed resistance would cease to be
>>2641619The mossad leftcom will tell you that conflict is an inter-bourgouis conflict
Haven't the protests already died down?
>>2641632That's the funny thing, the protest pretty much fizzled. The only possible escalation is if the US decides to invade.
>>2641638🤣
Where's muh monarchy restoration?
>>2641645is the MEK funded by Saudis ?
>60 new IRGC pigs met there maker
Fizzle my balls
Did something happen?
>>2641681No. I don't think anything will happen either because dancing is illegal in Iran.
>>2641677>>2641406>>2641285>>2641255>>2641182It has fizzled and you can clearly see mossad poster is seething lmao and types in the same way where he doesn't respond to posts
long term status for iran?
>>2641440Qatar and Turkey would move in as Hamas' primary backers.
>>2641732>berlin>stockholm….
>>2641732>progressivethe "progressive" German MSM neolibs/neocons/greens who support UA nazis and Israel call for "solidarity" with the "Iranian people" as well and EVERYTHING these fuckers support ALWAYS ends in deepest reaction and misery. So this is most likely no good for anyone except Israel, the USA and a couple western oligarchs
Reminder that Iran is already functionally a monarchy with the supreme leader role and that mulipolaritards support that
>>2641732>Berlin>StockholmLmao
>>2641763Is the President of France monarchical?
>>2641770>>2641735True. Should've posted the 10th video of the same LA rally as proof of LE MOSSSAAAAAAD
>>2641773If you try to imply Mossad and CIA aren't involved in this at all you're either a blithering idiot or actual glowie.
If Iran goes pro US after regime change China loses another supplier while the status of Venezuala is unclear. Just for context.
>>2641779german anon you gotta understand that, that guy doesnt support multipolarity
i genuinely wish those mossadposters who keep posting le ebin xitter screenshots as proof of iran being a "israeli regime change" are unironically proven wrong as the new government that comes is much more hostile to the US as also actually socialist
So how is airan doing?
>>2641783the 5 different posts saying it was actually in canada were more annoying. yeah we got it.
this isn't some trendy place with new people all the time
By the looks of it, there are two main factions to this uprising.
One being an actual workers council which is resisting the regime within Arak
https://x.com/_spoti/status/2010074132281733151?s=46&t=40VseJIJAKS4RPR3QNpOJAand the other being propped up by American intelligence to re-institute the monarchy.
In other words, this looks like this is going to be another Syria situation- a repressive bourgoise republic facing a progressive faction and another faction that’s more reactionary than them.
Can’t say I’m looking forward to a potential civil war coming from this.
>>2641748Anti-zionism isn't negotiable. If you will not be a model, you shall be an example.
I don't want to hear any leftoid claim they're "concerned" about "color revolution". What you're actually concerned about is the potential damage to your narcissistic ego if the anti-Western capitalist class ruling Iran is replaced by a neutral or pro-Western capitalist class.
>>2641803imagine if the arak soviet guys and communists seize iran, how much cope would generate
>>2641808Imagine all the cope
It's easy if you try
Multipoltards are mad the Iranian Soviet is run by anti-ML leftcoms lmao
An actual something happening? I am scared now. Wez all gonna get conscripted and die within years in a le big interimperialist war arent we?
If there will be no revolutions in other countries this one will die like the bolshevik one, right?
Member when ziggers were celebrating the end of USAID because it meant no more US backed color revolutions?
Waiting for the day when leftists actually support the working class
>>2641808Well, let’s see how they do. They’re talking the talk. But can they walk the walk?
>>2641440Imagine thinking the Iranians need to keep living under a hated government because "muh Palestine."
MEK is based. Change my mind.
>>2641819What does that entail, praxis-wise?
>>2641440Certainly, Columbia and NYU students can have a bake sale for the PFLP.
>>2641850MEK is what liberals pretend Iran is when they critically support it.
>islamo"socialist">pro-palestine (literally fought in one front with palis unlike IRGCuck armchairs)>backed by the west at one point just like the IRGC >>2641783She is super cringe as well.
all that matters is the defeat of islamists
>>2641872No, it doesn't, retard.
>>2641880>They aren't crypto labour-zionists like the retards from r/ultraleft and they condemn US aggression towards VenezuelaI hate r/ultraleft but they're opposed to zionism so much that they oppose Stalin so. and call stuff like Venezuela war prole massacres, which beats campist retards.
Your critique of ultraoids is lacking.
As for Iranians, they're what MLs would call 'leftcoms' since they oppose Stalin. Stalin is generally hated by Iranian leftists since he collaborated with western imperialism in invading their country in WW2. To me they're step above MLs but their programs still tainted with utopian garbage with no relation to Marxism.
>>2641781I wonder what kind of black mail do they have on AOC.
what's with leftists defending the iranian government? it's a reactionary oppressive theocratic islamist regime.
the only reedeming thing with them was that they acted as a counter to the israelis, however they have shown themselfs totally incompetent and inept in offering ressistance to zionism time and time again.
good riddance
Apparently starlink was shut down with the help of China, based if true
so does the iranian protesters actually want the shah back or is it just nostalgic diaspora boomers?
>>2641899Nah, protestors are more about bad governance, shit economical conditions and opposition to islamism then any loyalty to the Shah, Reza Pahlavi is just desperate to get in the action, lmfao.
>>2641899Small capitalists seem to want the Shah for integration with US and Europe capital. Workers that support the protests aren't organised so they can't fight the small capitalists leading the charge.
>>2641826I remember when ziggers stopped using CIA and started using USAID for liek a month cause they learned a new word LMAO
Hang the last islamist with the entrails of the last zionist
>>2641906>ignore the communist party literally active in Arak for decades and trust this facebook account I foundyeah ok bro
>>2641440Zionism will collapse on its own.
>>2641819they will be crushed and reborn as ML, then they will win.
A real tankie wish all the worst for the mullah because of Bosnia.
>>2641924Her nails are vomit inducing.
>>2641908they are just larpers, "soviet" lmao
Deng Xiaoping would be proud
>>2641929Like how your mother larps as my pet each night
Found a good source for an iranian perspective that differs from the Tudeh Party.
https://english.10mehr.com/about-10mehr/
>10Mehr* consists of some of the former members of the leadership and cadre of the Tudeh Party of Iran who, since the destruction of the Socialist State in the USSR in 1991 and dissolution of the Socialist Camp, have been opposed to the emerging social-democratic tendencies in the Communist movement, and have insisted on continued adherence to the principles of Marxism-Leninism. For us, Marxism-Leninism is not just a banner to be held up for the purpose of self-identification, but a set of scientific principles that should guide the formulation of any policy at the national and international level.
>We consider the international struggle against imperialism, and especially against the U.S. imperialism’s global hegemony, as the primary struggle of our era, which should not be weakened or overridden by other contradictions at the national level. We believe that all legitimate struggles at the national level should be carried out in such ways that do not undermine the unity of the international anti-imperialist struggle, and/or endanger the independence and sovereignty of nations. No “democracy” or “human rights” can be achieved at the expense of independence and national sovereignty of peoples.
>Specifically in the case of Iran, while opposing the Iranian government’s neoliberal economic policies and repressive measures, we oppose all efforts — explicit or implicit — aimed at overthrowing of the Islamic Republic of Iran at this critical juncture when the future of the whole humanity is at stake. Given the absence of organized popular mass organizations in Iran at this juncture, such efforts could only serve the objectives of U.S. imperialism for partitioning Iran.
>While recognizing the Tudeh Party of Iran as the sole party of the Iranian working class, we have significant ideological and political disagreements with the present policies of the leadership of the Party, at both international and national levels. We consider our responsibility as that of pointing to the weaknesses and present departures of the present Party leadership from a truly Marxist-Leninist perspective, and providing, within the limits of our ability, alternative assessments of the global and national situation on the basis of scientific principles of Marxism-Leninism.I think these guys are associated with Bahman Azad. They haven't written anything about the riots on the english version of the site but they have been reposting articles about it. There could be stuff on the farsi version of the site but I can't read the language.
Iran collapse status?
>>2641935kuygha i'm your mother
>>2641938Seems like the riots are over and there are now massive pro-government protests.
>>2641943Even if the riots are over today (which you pulled out of your ass) your tiny servile brain might want to think about the hundreds who were slaughtered, their funerals, the grievances, the fresh wounds of the injured, the families of the disappeared, this storming climate is hardly the place for a victory lap.
Your mind cannot comprehend Iranian workers being human, so it's understandable in that sense.
>>2641803>No source but some rando anarchist twitter accountIs this like those "councils" that were popping up in Nepal? I wouldn't hold your breath lmao
>>2641970i miss this show like you wouldnt believe
>>2641819and when they become AES ultroids will come here to piss and shit themselves in joy everytime the west attacks them
>>2641956What
I'm just reporting what i'm currently seeing right now on Xitter. Feel free to post any sources/perspectives you can find.
My "source" on riots dissipating.
https://xcancel.com/ME_Observer_/status/2010422388056375489>Channel 12 Hebrew Ehud Yaari:Apologies to the viewers…
>The protests in Iran are receding and the regime is still in control, and the "Israeli" media exaggerated its expected collapse.>The protests have moved from hundreds of protest hubs to tens, about half of them in Tehran, specifically in eastern Tehran.>I apologize because the Iranian regime is not disintegrating as rumored on some sites, but it still has control.>I apologize because the Israeli media exaggerated today and in recent days that the fall of the regime is imminent. >>2641972
Ultroids being zionists is rubbish. Leftcoms defend the unity of the working class, the overthrowing of Israel and Palestine rulers and the repression of religion. They also were the among the first to destroy the myth of the holocaust being heckin special.
>>2641850They are the armed and main wing of the Arak Soviet. Soon MEK will have all of Iran under red flags
>>2642003But coincidence they end up on the zionist side because armchairs never get up out of their seats and see a clear case of genocide in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as bothsides
>>2642005Why even among many leftist groups, there is the need to add ISLAMIC socialism in MENA? Why are they obsessed with the Arabic medieval retardation so much?
Nothing obviously happened, wow. Amazing, another nothingburger that happened to also be very foreseeable this time.
What the fuck was wrong with ultroids here? What was their major malfunction? They had the warnings, and they still hurt and embarrassed themselves. Siding with zionists for a revolution that clearly doesn’t exist under these impossible conditions.
And this is coming from the Dutch–German current btw. Seriously, wtf.
>>2642005>>2642011Um retard-kon, all active communist parties in Iran are leftcoms. Tudeh and MEK are the exception to this rule and both only exist in diaspora.
The Arak Soviet would piss on the corpses of MEKtards.
>>2642018Dutch leftcommunism = simple-minded, childish
German leftcommunism = petulance, nuisance
Italian leftcommunism = racism, perverse
>>2642019I dont count snob social clubs of 12 members as 'active parties'.
>>2642018>What the fuck was wrong with ultroids here? What was their major malfunction?Same as always, all they care about is "owning the stalinoids", this imperative hijacks all of their nervous system.
To the naive and innocent: all Arak-Soviet posters are trolls who are making fun of the situation. Probably closeted Zionists.
>>2642019MEK is playing an important organizational role amongst the soviets whether you like it or not.
>>2642021Literally everything that came out about socialist orgs from the protests are concerning worker-communist and CPI
The only marginally related thing the MEK did was drive through a shah rally in LA
كسمك شو غبي
>>2642020>>2642025Did you actually read the book Leninoids?
>>2642027Yes.
You read it, but it is time for you to understand it.
>>2642028Then tell me the points yourself. Insult my ideology directly. You can clearly do more than just namedrop a book.
>>2642031I did not mention the book at all. You asked me if I read it.
The USA and IRANS WILL BECOME ALLIES WITH ISRAEL. These three will KICK ISLAMIC TERROR OUT OF THE REGION. DEAREST IRANIAN CIVILIANS, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. AMERICA LOVES YOU, and HELP IS COMING, FAST, PROFESSIONALLY, and IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD, USA DOES CARE ABOUT IRAN. They will do such a fine job, a FAST FINE JOB, that they will AID Iranians to OVERTHROW the 7th century NOT-IRANIANS who hijacked our government in 1979. In the end, freedom is NEAR. khamenei will need to run FAST, FASTER THAN EVER and FLEE, or be COOKED like ABU BAKR AL BAGDADDY; who died; LIKE A DOG. AND IN THE END, SLEEPY ISLAMIST JOE BIDEN, ISLAM LOVER OBOZO, and KAMALA CACKLING BRIBE TAKER HARRIS will be BIG MAD, that they COULD NOT KEEP IRANIANS UNDER BRUTAL 7th CENTURY IDEOLOGY AND DEATH CULT…. GOD BLESS IRAN, ISRAEL, USA. Together, we will take back THE MIDDLE EAST AND TRADE OIL ON FAIR TERMS, GROW IRAN, and BRING ADULT LIKE CONTROL BACK TO THE REGION. Like SYRIAS PRESIDENT IS LEADING AND ALIGNED WITH AMERICA, SOON TOO IRAN WILL BE, and the LEFTIST RICH SMUG LIBERALS LIVING IN BEVERLY HILLS CAN POUT THAT THEY COULD NOT OPRRESS IRAN. GOD BLESS FOX NEWS, the ONLY MAINSTREAM SOURCE WHO IS WILLING TO COVER REZA PAHLAVI. MAY THE ISLAMIC CNN LOSE ALL THEIR RATINGS. :D GOD BLESS PAHLAVI, rest in piss KAHmeneyyyee….
>>2642033>I did not mention the book at allI do not care. All I want to see is you taking a real swing.
>>2642018 (You)
>>2642034I don’t wanna hear that shit. None of that, none of that at all. I made my position on this clear as day.
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>>2642039And where is that clear position?
>>2642018Silence firstoid
>>2642042
Of all the ways to slander us, why the Nazi angle?
>>2642045Pannekoek shoulda stuck to his telescopes
>>2642048You say that, but you can’t even lay a hit on my dawg.
>>2642045>Beyond your comprehension apparently.Since you are not a namefag, i cannot know which post is your position. So redirect me to the best you gave your 'clear as day' position if you want me to discuss in good faith or we can continue the insults…
>>2642050Different cities, different speeches
Cope with your 2020 soleimani Groksplanation slop
>>2642046no way you really are that lacking in self-awareness
>>2642046Because once one truly grasps the 'engine', the
élan vital of Bordigist Leftcoms, it is clear that they are deeply closeted Nazis, and when the time comes, they will gladly enroll in the Waffen SS.
>>2642051>i cannot know which post is your positionI already linked it in my post. It’s right there.
>>2642039And now here:
>>2642018>>2642018>>2642018>>2642018>>2642018>>2642018 >>2642057
>>2642057
Go sit in the corner lil bro
>>2642057
>oh no much cia zionist revolution failed
cope and seth scumbag
>>2642060>It's always le jewsBack to pol
>>2642057
is not that the third world population are by essence more prone to revolution but that third world conditions favor volatility
historically the third world has been more revolutionary than the first world, thats just a historical fact, we just happen to live in the era of the darkest reaction after all communists got killed
>>2642061Repeat after me:
There is no "mossad" in Persia
There is no "mossad" online
And there is no "mossad" on leftypol
>>2642062Iran decided to turn it off, and there's nothing Musk can do about it.
>>2642061Israel was pretty open about the fact that trying to get the population to overthrow the current regime was part of the rising lion operation when they started bombing Iran in 2025.
>>2642057
>you mocked my Ehrani (literally Aryan) nothingburger non-existent 'soviet', so fuck your negroid turd-world comrades
do you understand this post (>>2642042) now ?
>>2642056ah so we are in agreement. You just got mad because I insulted the Dutch and German currents
>>2642065Putler helped foil the heckin wholesome revolution:
https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/2010698985934066091It is now much clearer what Russia has been delivering to Iran with its military transporters in the last few weeks.
Starlink jamming systems.
Russian intelligence has broken through the Mossad and CIA plan to initiate massive and violent protests in Iran, stunning the Iranian government, which would be followed by a massive US-Israeli military intervention and bombing.
The Iranian government completely blocked the internet and communication and with the help of these systems managed to block Starlink, whose receivers, according to Sky News, had been smuggled inside Iran for years.
In this way, Mossad lost communication with the base in Israel and the organization began to fall apart.
Mossad agents began to be hunted down one by one because with the internet completely turned off, Starlink receivers light up like a Christmas tree.
I have already written that Starlink is the most powerful weapon in the hands of the USA and Israel.
Through this internet, communication can be easily organized and drones can be controlled anywhere in the world from a basement in Washington.
All Ukrainian communication takes place via Starlink.
>>2642066Israel also backed hamas bid for power, in a few years you will support the anti imperialist, multipolarist Shah and you will like it
Comrades, let's cut through the imperialist lies and see the burqa and Iran's morality police for what they really are: weapons in the class struggle against Western domination. The Gasht-e Ershad patrols don't just enforce hijab, modest clothes, and chaste behavior on the streets. They stand as a frontline defense, shielding the Iranian working class from the cultural rot of Hollywood liberalism, ripped jeans imported from Yankee fashion houses, and the pornified gaze that turns women's bodies into commodities for profit. In a country under constant sanctions and threats from NATO and Zionism, these patrols keep the nation cohesive, blocking the kind of individualism that atomizes people and opens the door to color revolutions. Sure, they hand out fines or arrests, but that's the state doing its job, preserving proletarian solidarity against the bourgeois spectacle that commodifies everything, including our sisters' curves and skin.
Look at history. Colonial powers always fixated on unveiling women as their trophy, from French Algeria to Afghanistan. Fanon nailed it: the veil became resistance because it denied the colonizer's eyes access, turning everyday cloth into a fuck-you to empire. Today, the burqa or enforced hijab does the same in Paris banlieues or Tehran bazaars. Western feminists scream "oppression," but that's femonationalism pure and simple, white liberals teaming up with cops to punch down on racialized migrants while ignoring drone strikes on Muslim kids. Iran's patrols reject that script. They say no to the beauty industry that profits off women's insecurity, no to hyper-visible femininity that capitalism demands for its ads and catwalks. Modesty here isn't chains; it's a refusal to play the market's game, letting women move through public space without being meat for the gaze.
The revolutionary position is dead simple. Defend the right to veil against French bans and harassment, defend Iran's morality police against CIA-backed protests, and fight any family or mullah coercion that forces it too. Not because cloth is holy, but because imperialism is the main enemy, and these acts build the anti-capitalist front. Smash the states and bosses who police bodies for their own power, whether secular or clerical. The proletariat wins when we seize control of our cultures, our looks, our lives, staring down empire without blinking. History sides with the veiled fighter who won't strip for the colonizer.
>>2642071I'm just saying is not just "da joos" schizophrenia as he is implying.
>>2642067So the mossad is supporting a white nationalist revolution in Iran
Got it
>>2642072>allowing woman to wear the most meh, vanilla, mild, basic clothing = succumbing to Western domination. It's not like Islamoids needed an anti-imperialist pretence to treat woman like property.
>>2642074Is very simple, was the initial sentiment caused by Israel, yes or no?
>>2641972
>Ultroids, in my experience, in general have very little against Zionism and veer on being zios themselves
Leftcom → Antideutsche pipeline
>>2642079initial sentiment does not matter.
The state resulting from the potential success of the unrest is all that matters.
Will a socialist leadership of Iran emerge? NO.
Will a pro-American Imperialism and pro-ZIonist leadership emerge? Yes with 95% probability.
>>2642079No, thats never how it happens and we both know it. And thats why is not simple.
>>2642078Back then I laughed. I mocked the stooopid trots.
But now. Now I wish ISIS acked the Americans. It would suck for the civilians in Iraq and Syria, but fuck them. If after centuries of Islamic retardation, they still cling so hard to their medieval cancer, then let them eat shit.
>>2642075>le deflect and smugpostepic
>>2642079No glowie project ever instills the 'initial sentiment'. They always hijack existing grievances and coopt them.
Refer to OWS, anti-racist movements, LGBTQ movements, the whole Ukrainian affair etc etc
The more retarded the Leftcom, the more smug the Leftcom.
>ur a nazi!
>ur a zionist!
Reported for witch hunting, it is low quaility posting.
>>2642081I am not a Frantz Fannon worshipper, sorry. He got some things very right. On other things, he was just wrong.
>>2642082>>2642083>>2642087Lmao, so fucking pressed
You support a theocratic, religious fundamentalist bourgeois government over a popular uprising
>B-but Israel, muh geopolitcal chess game! >>2642089Marx explained it well as our weapon which is religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world the opium of the people," balm for masses crushed by capital. In besieged Iran, Gasht-e Ershad patrols enforcing hijab smash Western commodification of women's bodies into pornified profit, shielding proletarian families from liberal atomization and CIA plots. Engels exposes patriarchy's class root "The first class oppression is that of the female sex by the male," tied to property yet here, modesty inverts it, quarantining empire's cultural rot. Remember "The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains." Defend burqas against banlieue cops, morality police against femonationalist lies, crush all coercion. Veiled fighters lead the war on imperialism's real chains drones, bombs, austerity. Forward
>>2642090You are not a serious leftcom. No serious leftcom would talk of supporting a vague 'popular uprising'. A leftcom would support a
proletarian uprising led by a
proper communist party.
Your position of uncritically supporting a 'popular uprising' just because muh crowds in the streets is a Liberal position.
Is the Arak council legit or does it glow?
>>2642095>how dare the third world bourgeois oppose my Aryan First World Imperialists??refer to
>>2642042 >>2642096Neither. It is non-existent beyond a one-page statement and a graffiti on a random wall.
>>2642097Refer to>>2642088
>>2642100Working class only can spontaneously organize into economic organizations like unions. Le party is neccessary for it to politically organize as le class to do le political tasks.
What the FUCK is organic centralism?
>>2642105Its what Lenin did.
>>2642104 it's hilarious that you believe Iranian communists are unable to organize the people
>>2642100>any vague popular uprising must necessarily be an organic proletarian uprising What, from the recent events, leads you to believe that this is (i) proletarian and/or (ii) organic and/or (iii) organised?
>>2642090>You support a theocratic, religious fundamentalist bourgeois government over a popular uprisingI actually don't, I don't really care for the current regime, they are too cucked. If this popular uprising has an anti-zionist wing it would be based if they took power, it just seems very unlikely so I'm not really invested in this.
>>2642107Doesn't the working class organize organically? Can you be consistent?
>>2642107You omitted le party part you soyshit
>>2642107Very well, contradictory pseudo-left com, can you point to me an Iranian Comm Party which has a significant reach among the working class to organise them? They do not need to have a majority of workers.Just 25-40% of proles will do.
We must wait for le ICP's statement.
>>2642107no communist party at any country in the world can organise working people as far as im aware.
Le conditions are historically unfavourable. This uprising wont result in le capture of le state power by le communiste party.
>>2642120yea. communists play no role in this and people itt need to stop coping. communism is irrelevant in most countries
>>2642121Communists are getting involved and are probably supporting le working class in its struggles. Other than that, nothing ever happens, le party isnt capturing le state power. Not in our lifetime.
>>2642120the state is not captured.
the
bourgeois state is smashed and it is replaced with the proletarian dictatorship, a virtual state. this one withers away.
So did Iran collapse yet?
>>2642123 NTA but again with the semantics Jesus…
ok so let me rephrase
Le conditions are historically unfavourable. This uprising wont result in 'smashing the bourgeois state and replaced with the proletarian dictatorship, a virtual state' by le communiste party. >>2642111>>2642112Are you implying the party doesn't form organically?
I was banned for the cartoon of the Nazi-Bordigist btw.
But leftcoms can keep going on about muh stalinoids all day with impunity.
this is an inter-dickrider conflict
>>2642128you did not reply to
>>2642113 >>2642113I am reserching, however, you don't have proof that that is not the case, so by your own logic you can't conclude that is not the case.
you also have not replied to this:
>>2642108>>2642135are you fucking retarded? youre the one making the dubious claim here.
Wez all reactionaries. We as in le workers. Communism and le party is le weak. So weak that noone le even considers it le serious threat. Noone takes communism seriously. Only le minority of le workplaces are le unionised and even those who are unionized arent penetrated by le communist militants. Le condition are le unfavourable. Nothing ever happpens. The only thing that will happen is us getting drafted and dying in le interimperialist war.
>>2642128Not necessarily. It's a Markov process. There are other ways to form the party, besides a random walk with general 'direction'.
>>2642135leftcoms usually are more refined than this. They aint sending their best these days.
Reminds me of the good old atheist vs believer debates of 2008: you cannot prove unicorns do not exist. Checkmate haha.
>>2642137You are also making a claim here
You claim that the revolts are all pro-western interest, where is the proof of this?
>>2642144do you understand the difference between the particular and general?
>>2642144you are retarded. No one thinks the protesters are actively protesting for the sake of Israel. They have their own, diverse grievances. The point is, in the absence of a real socialist movement large enough to take the lead, the only realistic outcome from the success of this 'uprising' is the establishment of a leadership which is pro-america pro-Zionist.
Why are you guys arguing over this? Time will tell.
Why argue when you can wait for le icp's evaluation of this event?
>>2642144communists are irrelevant, they arent in the equation at all
this is a simple example of a colour revolution. same shit that happens all over the world to get rid of governments that arent USA friendly enough or too socdem
>>2642153
Even if le commies manage to take power in iran, it will end up like ussr. Le revolution must be international.
>>2642153
>I understand that the most likely outcome is a pro-zionist pro-american Iran, and that is precisely why this revolt has potential
Just say you are a NAFOid western chauvinist man. Stop the Leftcom larp.
>>2642154>geopoliticsHoly shit mods permaban that twitter user
The only good thing is that le iraniam proletariat is getting le experience.
>>2642155socialism in one state was sucessful and vindicated multiple times
>>2642153
>this revolt has potential
Revolutions don't start at the end.
>>2642159
China could help in other ways that dont involve "trotskyist adventurism" as you call it.
>>2642159
>ungrateful
sorry for not being grateful for your bourgeois nation state anon. i will try to pray to chinese billionaires more next time
>>2642165you will never do anything
Your periodic reminder that Iran’s actual communists, by which is meant Marxist Leninists in case you’re a retard, are overwhelming in support of the continuation and stability of the Revolutionary Islamic Republic as a bastion against Zionism. But of course since they’re not obnoxious pink haired feminists mister leftcom here ignores them
>>2642171>Your periodic reminder that Iran’s actual communists, by which is meant Marxist Leninists in case you’re a retard, are overwhelming in support of the continuation and stability of the Revolutionary Islamic Republic as a bastion against Zionism.source?
>>2642156Where is teh proofs that people are revolting for a pro-zionist government?
>>2642174Show me where the Marxist Leninists are organizing against the Islamic Republic. I’ll wait
What is China's statement regarding this?
>>2642171Where are teh proofs?
>>2642175All insurrections in the imperial periphery and most in the imperial core are color revolutions by default because they’re on Open Society and WEF payroll and only exist to destabilize sovereign nations and turn them into Israeli colonies
>>2642177Monitoring the situation closely with concern and ready to put out a statement saying "we are ready to cooperate with the new Iranian government and condemn the usa actions" when the usa topples the government
>>2642175Even if people aren't revolting in favour of this the danger is that it's what they'll get. People in Eastern Europe didn't revolt in favour of shock therapy, but that's what they got because the people in favour of it got the most resources and assistance from the US and were able to seize power.
>>2642180Retarded post.
Iran hasn't fallen
>>2642183Burden of proof is on you to show these “protests” have any proletarian character to them
>>2642159
Basic solidarity and internationalism isn't adventurism. If anything is going to bring about China's downfall, it will be their stubborn refusal to assist progressive forces abroad. The US will snuff out their allies one by one with interventions, coups, and colour revolutions until they have no friends left. The USSR may have overreached at times but without their internationalism and solidarity they would have been defeated much sooner. Imagine if all the nations of the Warsaw Pact had been returned to the imperialist camp and incorporated into NATO in 1949. They wouldn't have lasted nearly as long as they did.
>>2642189Pure leftcom retardation. Yes, China should totally bankrupt itself and impoverish her people fighting pointless moral crusades fixing tragedies that YOU caused. Why is it always China’s responsibility to sacrifice her people and her economy to fix your messes?
>>2642130>muh leftcumsThere are no leftcoms on leftypol
>>2642193>anti-zionism means u hate le Jews!!!Okay ADL
>>2642192>>2642189>leftcomThere are no leftcoms on leftypol
>>2642192This isn't about moral crusades but China's own self-interest and survival. Engaging in a geopolitical struggle while refusing to play any offense whatsoever is complete suicide. The West will slowly strangle them by stomping out pro-Chinese governments and if they refuse to fight back they will be isolated and eventually destroyed. This is also ignoring that all communists have an obligation and a duty to internationalism and mutual assistance.
Thousands of people have been killed by the Iranian government in just the past few days. Fuck all you shameless, psychopathic leftists who keep supporting bourgeois dictatorships that exploit and massacre the working class.
>>2642198Noone here is supporting anything, chill mah bordigga
>>2642180>without the scheming israelite, the brownie plebs are by essence meek and submissiveleast racist tankie
>>2642197China’s self interest and survival hinges on the development of the productive forces, BRICS, the BRI, and fostering multipolarity. It does this just fine and next to Russia is the most powerful nation on the planet as a result. Instead of moralizing over China not obeying the directives of a white westerner, as yourself why you seem to know better than the entire CPC
>>2642198Waiter! Waiter! More dead Zionists please!
>>2642186I'm haven't claimed that, I'm not on that "side" of the discussion.
>>2642207Do you have any proof that the people murdered were zionists, or can we report you for polfaggotry?
>>2642203>there are no communist controlled states on the planet since the 1920sRetarded post.
>>2642204>China’s self interest and survival hinges on the development of the productive forces, BRICS, the BRI, and fostering multipolarityRight, and what happens when the US snuffs out Chinese friendly governments in coups, wars, and colour revolutions? What happens when governments in BRI countries are replaced with Western stooges? China will sit on their hands until they're isolated and destroyed.
>as yourself why you seem to know better than the entire CPCJust like nobody knew better than the entire CPSU in the late 80s right?
>>2642192>Pure leftcom retardationtheorylet alert
>>2642209Launching an insurrection against an anti-Zionist government makes you a Zionist
Iran isnt anti zionist.
This will end probably more like an 1905 with token reforms
>>2642210As long as Trump continues being a based retard and diminishes American imperialism that’s not an issue. Currently they’ve resigned themselves to consolidate control over their hemisphere and abandon their wars of aggression elsewhere and for as long as that continues (and with USAID being gutted) color revolutions will not be a long term threat
>>2642213Where is the class analysis in that statement?
>>2642217As long as the security forces remain loyal and retain cohesion the Islamic Republic will survive. No regime change has ever been successful without the disintegration or defection of at least a critical mass of the military and intelligence apparatus.
>>2642210Nearly every country on the planet is "Chinese friendly" just like almost every country is "US friendly". You're not basing your understanding of the world on anything other than vibes. This isn't highschool where there are cliques. Almost every country on the planet trades and invests and gets invested by both superpowers.
>>2642220Relying on the Americans to not attack you or your allies is a pretty retarded strategy.
>>2642198>>2642198as if you people care about Iranian workers.
>>2642224>This isn't highschool where there are cliques. Almost every country on the planet trades and invests and gets invested by both superpowers.yet you think PSUV are fascists for selling oil to the US
>>2642226Well as long as the Dems and leftoids are kept out of power the imperial periphery will be relatively safe, and I don’t see any of you losers gaining power in the future
>>2642224Not every country trades with either power in equal amounts, is equally within both spheres of influence, hosts troops and buys weapons from both countries, etc. Quantitative differences add up to qualitative differences, especially when one power (the US) doesn't tolerate fence sitting.
>>2642233Except Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Palestine, Syria, etc. If you unironically believe Trump is less imperialist than the Dems I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Stop using the leftcom flag, you are clearly not a leftcom. Leftcoms do not support or oppose something just because 'dead people'.
>>2642241he admited on one of the venezuela threads he uses it just to troll multipolaroids
>>2642243No, I would hold the same political opinions without the flag, the flag is there just to make you extra angry
Is the ayatolah even that relevant? I know he is the "Supreme leader" but for some reason I always saw him more like a figurehead. I taught other people ran the country.
>>2642203
>trading is being pro country
when will you fucking stop shitting our threads you glowie moron
>>2642246Iran is like a constitutional theocracy, with the Ayotollah occupying a position somewhere between a ceremonial monarch and a supreme court judge. Day to day running of the country is carried out by the elected parliament and president, but the Ayotollah and other clerics have the power to vet election candidates and strike down legislation as unconstitutional.
>>2642245>I would hold the same political opinions without the flagyeah and you still wouldnt be a leftcom
>the flag is there just to make you extra angrythats what I said
>>2642250He truly is illiterate lmao
>>2642239When we criticize moralism, we criticize the belief that morals exist in a material sense outside the mind and have some intrinsic value. Human beings have material interests that they express those desires in moral terms rather than being direct about it, which is an idealist way of thinking that confuses both the thinker and the audience. "Killing workers is morally wrong" vs "I dont want workers killed"
>>2642241We oppose the Iranian govt for the exact same reason we oppose all capitalist governemnts. Because they are capitalist. Because we are communist. You would think that this would be uncontroversial in a website where people call themselves communist.
We also oppose the govt of Jamaica, the govt of Australia, the govt of Sudan, the govt of Paraguay etc etc. This is not complicated.
i love that leftcom faget is seething :-)
>>2642255I dont see the point of your reply. It is completely separate from the matters being discussed
Anyway, it looks like the Iranian government has mostly quashed the protests. I'm sure the "communists" of this website are very happy about this.
>>2642266We are, thank you. Another Zionist color revolution stopped dead in its tracks
>>2642171>Your periodic reminder that Iran’s actual communists, by which is meant Marxist Leninists in case you’re a retard, are overwhelming in support of the continuation and stability of the Revolutionary Islamic RepublicIf you're referring to the Tudeh Party then lol no
>>2642266Toppling a government just for the sake of it is pure stupidity, especially when the most likely outcome is a pro-imperialist regime. Communists support disciplined, focused revolutionary action, not mindless destruction that helps our most dangerous enemies.
>>2642272I said Marxist Leninists, not an irrelevant French Trotskyite study group
>>2642266We are sad for the 8 to 12 communists who have been repressed, yeah. Not sad at all for the thousands of zionists repressed though.
>>2642274I mean historically, anon, the Tudeh Party were the USSR-aligned commies. They released a statement. The whole pro-IRI left is a decidedly non-Iranian phenomenon. Rough auto-translation:
>The popular protest uprising, which started with the protest and strike of the Tehran market, has quickly engulfed dozens of cities and towns in the country in the past thirteen days and has brought the ruling dictatorship to a great challenge. This popular protest uprising, contrary to the claims of the ruling dictator, is not a movement created by American imperialism and the genocidal regime of Israel, but a direct result of the disastrous macroeconomic policies of the ruling capitalism and the corruption, insecurity, and all-out oppression of the leaders of the regime and Awan and Ansar. It is to the nation. In the contemporary history of Iran, during the period of more than half a century of Pahlavi rule, we have witnessed other examples of such oppression, corruption, looting and the fate of those governments.
>The heroic struggle of hundreds of thousands of people in dozens of cities of the country, despite the government's efforts to brutally suppress this struggle, is a clear sign of the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Iranian nation does not want the continuation of the current corrupt and anti-people government. By implementing neoliberal policies and «economic surgery, this government has pushed tens of millions of Iranians below the poverty line and has brought the livelihood of workers and other toilers to such a dire situation that their wages and income are not enough to provide a minimum living. This government has destroyed the productive economy of the country and with its adventurous foreign policies to export the Islamic Revolution to the Iranian region, it has exposed it to the risk of foreign interference more than ever.We, like the authors of the statement «17 political and civil activists», believe that «the way to free us from the current situation is to emphasize the agency and activism of the people and assert ‘their right to self-determination’, a way that is neither compromise nor companionship with rulers and authoritarian government nor It goes through the path of war and reliance on foreign powers.» It is only with the active and effective cooperation and empathy of all patriotic and freedom-loving forces and progressive social forces that it becomes possible to achieve this future and realize this ideal, which is the will of the vast majority of the Iranian nation.
>The serious challenge of the current popular uprising is the lack of coherent leading national leadership on the one hand and the extensive efforts of imperialist media such as «BBC» and their reactionary agents in media such as «Iran International», «Menu To" etc. to create artificial leadership on the other hand is another. In recent days, we have witnessed the extensive efforts of these media to give fake credit to the royalists, who tried to show the return of the royal system to Iran by manipulating the videos of people's protest demonstrations and voicing a number of them, and propagated and highlighted it. do.
>The Tudeh Party of Iran believes that by moving the current political system, i.e. religious-capitalist dictatorship, with the royal-capitalist system, which aims to establish the same repressive regime as before and turn Iran into a military base of imperialism in the region and loot oil and other It is Iran's natural resources, it is impossible to have a free future free from tyranny and move towards the realization of social justice. The forces whose eyes are on the pseudo-fascist government of Trump and the genocidal government of Israel to liberate Iran cannot be the promise of a free, independent, and prosperous Iran. The painful experience of Iraq and Libya after the direct interventions of global imperialism in the internal affairs of these countries should be a serious warning and alarm for all the progressive and freedom-loving forces of the country.
>Today, all of us should focus all our efforts on the continuation and expansion of this popular uprising until victory. The direct presence and wide participation of workers and other toilers, retirees, employees, intellectuals, and patriotic middle classes of the country in the current popular movement is necessary in order to improve its power. By creating solidarity and practical connection between all the leading social forces in this campaign, one should try to face the ruling dictatorship and the threats of American imperialism at the same time. Moving towards the organization of a nationwide general strike, to limit and completely take the power of the Islamic Republic to continue the government, and moving towards the establishment of a national-popular interim government and holding a free and democratic referendum to determine the future path of the country, among the solutions It is important that you should try to realize them.
>Long live the popular struggle against the government of the Islamic Republic, against poverty, unemployment, discrimination and repression!
>Military and law enforcement forces, you are part of the people of this country, join the ranks of the people's struggle against authoritarian rule!
>End the bloody and violent repression of protesting people!
>Attacking medical centers and hospitals is a crime against humanity; Stop these attacks!
>All the detainees of the movement and all political, ideological and civil prisoners must be released immediately and unconditionally!
>Towards the preparation and organization of the nationwide general strike! >>2642274Conveniently these pro-government MLs have no independent party (because that would be illegal), no media organs, no membership, and issue no programs, statements or positions. Therefore people on leftypol can easily project their beliefs onto them. I don't think these protests are will lead anywhere good but pretending that there's some secret presence of Iranian pro-governnent communists is obvious wishful thinking that can't be proven.
>>2642279MLsisters our response?
Nothing ever happens won again? Or will Trump attack?
>>2642279Being “pro-USSR” when the Soviet Union had already been compromised by revisionists and Trotskyite wreckers doesn’t mean shit lmao. The fact of the matter is that they were western educated leftist elitists who wanted Iran to be shackled to the west and no amount of rhetoric or appeals to “communism” change the fact that they were a western front group
>>2642281Of course they have no independent party, are you genuinely retarded or purposefully acting in bad faith? Communism as you should know by now is above all else the REAL MOVEMENT, and in Iran the real movement of the proletariat lay within Twelver Shiism and the Revolutionary Islamic Republic. To form a separate “communist party” that exists to challenge a government under siege by Zionism is at best being a useful idiot for American interests and is not Marxist in the slightest, just leftoid opportunism
>>2642293>To form a separate “communist party” that exists to challenge a government under siege by Zionism is at best being a useful idiot for American interests and is not Marxist in the slightestIran already has multiple parties, and there would be nothing stopping communists from acting as loyal opposition like they did in Syria. The problem is that being a communist is illegal in Iran. You also aren't addressing my point, which is that in the absence if any communist party or media organs you can't even prove that these pro-government communists exist.
>>2642309Also the "real movement" has got to be one of the most abused things Marx ever said. When he refers to "abolishing the present state of things" he's referring to capitalist relations of production, not simply national bourgeois governments trying to do capitalism on their own terms. The existence if Islamic Republic is I think a good thing at the moment, but only because the alternative is worse.
>>2642279Well if you're interested in reading a perspective from former members of Tudeh that oppose overthrowing the Iraninan government at this current moment check out 10mehr
>>2641937 >Iranian Government blatantly collapses, murders working class people, betrays the palestineans, aligns with fucking saudi arabia on behalf of dengist china, situation is so bad that they call scabs to "protest" on their favor and give 7$ lmao, iranians does not want a return for monarchy, communist parties that WERE PRO SOVIET OR PRO CHINA/ALBANIA (despite leftcom cope) supporting the protests
<deprogram smoothbrains still support a collapsing regime (fell for it again) instead of proving a alternative, prove themselves to be a bunch of aestethic opportunists who dont fucking care about communism but instead care about reactionary bourgeois geopolitics or chinese social imperialism
it is fucking over before started the new left, every single new leftist is a fucking dengist or a fucking trot, stalin would shot everyone for right and left deviationism
flood detected
>>2642406you are a right opportunist, you are not a communist, so are those campists and internet activists.
BRICS will not bring socialism
neither does the IRGC
I fucking give up those positions and i am tired, people are joining the international brigades to venezuela in my country while online leftists seem more worried at ""regime change"" that will never happen despite the cope of iranian monarchists and american/israeli OPs
>>2642411Do you condemn Israel?
>>2642405>stalinYou tried.
>>2641885they look like akp members
My government just told me all citizens should leave Iran immediately. Strikes imminent maybe?
>>2642313>but only because the alternative is worse.Iran is so mismanaged there are massive protests every two years, like there are fucking black outs for the proles because the IRGC fascists are mining fucking crypto. At this point a IMF restructuring would be a blessing for Iranians.
>surrendering to imperialism would be better for the masses guyz
the anti-campists have spoken
>>2642545>IRGC fascists are mining fucking crypto.Almost like they are under sanctions….
>>2642545>At this point a IMF restructuring would be a blessing for Iranians.Unironic Mossad post.
>>2642557You are completely brain rotted, you are incapable of any form of coherent rational thought other than screeching buzzwords like they are magic spells to keep the bad thoughts away.
>>2642557The hooliganism is immaculate, and the cope is rising.
>>2642575>Iran getting robbed by the IMF would be blessing to the Iranians!We hear you Mossad
Remember that this is the logical end conclusion of "anti-campism", they were always in actual deeds supporting Nazism in Ukraine but here its completely mask off, they support Monarchist restorationism and IMF global hegemony EXPLICITLY.
hey i got covid or something and missed the news
which side are the campists suppoorting?
Are the protests finally dying down in Iran?
>>2641351what article is this from
>>2642852>muh bordiga newspaper>you MUST support my shitty neoliberal state, because if you don't cheerlead for it, an even worse neoliberal state will come!this is the arguments all you retards use, none of you ever have any better reason other than "b-but bordiga said long live the butcher hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW!" or some variation on the "you must support my favorite bourgeois regime", none of you ever offer an alternative that is meaningful, none of you want to do anything besides browbeat everyone else into joining your cult, and none of you ever want to move beyond the year 1953
>>2642863>which side are the campists suppoorting?>>2642282>>2642266ok if this guy is mad then i support the regime
thanks leftypol
Here's some leftcoms being critical of the protests:
>The spark of the recent protests in Iran emerged from Tehran’s bazaar. The removal of the preferential exchange rate by the government of President Mahmoud Pezeshkian—which triggered a sudden surge in currency prices—appears to have cut off or seriously threatened the rent-based incomes of sections of the currency mafia and oligarchic layers. This was likely the principal driving force behind the mobilization of bazaar merchants. At the same time, this development ignited broader mass protests, unleashing a new wave of street confrontations that has continued to expand, once again bringing long-standing grievances among the impoverished layers of society to the surface. Hundreds have already been killed or injured by the security forces and the government has enacted an internet blackout.
>From the standpoint of class struggle and political radicalism, however, this movement appears weaker than the major uprisings of the past decade. At the time of writing, its defining characteristics can be summarized as follows:
<The slogans raised in these demonstrations have been predominantly reactionary and far less class-oriented in character.
<The degree of infiltration by mercenary elements tied to monarchist currents and reactionary political forces linked to foreign powers—while present in previous uprisings—has been significantly greater in the current protests.
<During the first week, the bulk of the protests spread across provinces and smaller cities in the western regions of the country. In the aftermath of the Twelve-Day War, these areas appear to have been more exposed to conditions favourable to foreign intervention.
<The movement has largely adopted passive or ambiguous positions toward foreign intervention, whose immediate objective is not liberation but the reintegration of Iran into negotiations suspended after the Twelve-Day War.
>As in previous movements, the most glaring absence remains an internationalist orientation in the protests.
>Below we present three statements from Iranian workers’ organisations. The first statement, from a workers’ group with which we are newly acquainted, demonstrates both a clearer class orientation and a higher level of political clarity. Regrettably, the last two display a noticeably diminished class character compared to their earlier positions, examples of which we have previously published.https://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2026-01-11/dispatches-from-the-uprising-in-iran>>2642869They are still protesting from what I can tell.
>>2641251>shaped their oppositionhow am I to judge them by their enemies when their enemies are isntreal and the burgerreich?
>>2643198That's not what the post said, illiterate brainlet retard.
>>2643168
>sorry iranian proles
lib ngos are reporting between 10 and 100 casualties, and spiritual israelis are inflating that number. reminder that more than 1000 iranian civvies have been killed by and more than 4000 have been injured by indiscriminate israeli terror bombing. I guarantee you nobody in iran wants a foreign intervention.
what the fuck are you even arguing for? if there was a left wing movement they'd be fighting two enemies in the event of an intervention. I guarantee you that any protestors that got armed by israel or saudi through some dodgy abraham accords deal aren't fucking communists.
>>2643206>lib ngos are reporting between 10 and 100 There are Tehran hospital videos with more body bags, cope harder islamocuck. Also if they're Mosssd wouldn't you want more them dead (500 in 15 days aren't enough)
>muh intervention So you admit that Iranian protesters are against foreign intervention that already killed thousands of them without touching their ruling class (intentionally so)? Glad we are on the same page.
I have no idea the last schizo paragraph mean or its relation to the reply.
Was gay nazi poster right? these protests fizzled out?
>>2642965i imagine this came from a wetdream of yours?
Crazy how much people here are drooling for Iran to be balkanized and carved up by zionist imperialists in the name of liberal monarchism. Scary that we share a board with these people
>>2643233it can rot either way, your strawman doesn't really matter though
>>2643217there are elements amongst the protestors that are armed and shooting dickhead. that's why the conflict is so bloody. there have been over 100 casualties amongst the state security apparatus.
the next question is which american proxy is arming the protestors? that's another easy one because it's always isntreal, saudi, or turkey. the shooters are kurdish nationalists so that excludes turkey, it's saudi or israel.
finally the protests are reactionary. it's not the working class it's baazari: petit bourg merchants who are losing money through the rial's devaluation in central asian trade because of the sanctions. most of irans basic necessities are produced domestically due to historical sanctions so they aren't subect to the same inflation.
your bait is weak, you earned a 7/10
>>2643234>it can rot either way, Either what way?
What's strawman about it? You think if the regime falls it will be replaced by a progressive force and not zionist imperialists? Are you stupid?
>>2643237How it started
>barely 10 Iranians killed its nothing burger :)How it's going
>bloody conflict with over 100 IRGC pigs dead :(I accept your concession
>muh saudi, turkey, qatarI live in the region and all their local propaganda is targeted against the protesters. Even western propaganda that paints protesters as Shahite ultimately serves to discredit them and justify their murder. The holy alliance of reactionaries from Tehran to Washington in on your camp in this class war. Sit down faggot.
>>2643248>now it's bloodynot really, is the IRGC is facing down gunfire, while ICE and the US national guard is facing down hockey mums
>all the arabs in the region think the protestors are full of shitown goal tbh
>protestors are burning mosquesso it's literally just isis again
>>26432477/10 is the lowest review you can give anything that isn't ironic. you can only go lower if your in on the irony.
>>2643239are you a guy who can't comprehend that there are multiple people, arguing multiple separate things?
>>2643238it doesn't actually fucking matter because those "zionist imperialists" are already running basically unimpeded, even with the islamic republic alive
I truly wonder how some of you will feel when all of this is cast into the dustbin of history, or when a supposedely /prole/ government even more complicit to the Gaza genocide is upheld. The Islamic Republic is undeniably flawed — indeed, imperialist and reactionary at it's core, completely capitulated to the interest of their bourgeois elite, which is to be deeply opposed — but in regards to the current geopolitical situation, it remains one of the only available means to even attempt large scale resistance against the single existence of the far greater threat against the safety of the peoples of the Middle East: Israel. It is not yet to be discarded, let's be strategic and internationalist.
Before anyone labels me as a campist — a thesis which is extremely flawed and opportunistic — could you imagine what neoliberalism would be capable of if was unchallenged even by itself? Multipolarism should be something we take advantage of, not something we uphold.
I truly hope the best is to come for both Iran and Palestine.
>>2643259the iranian government is in conflict with bourgeois interests. the bourgeois class is for wealthy capitalists and landowners. the theocratic government of iran constantly acts against their interests by getting foreign trade sanctioned, banning profitable industries and trends on religious grounds, giving undue power to clergy, and preventing capitalists from freely moving funds out of the republic. the IRGC is also not bourgeois because while it has excessive political power it's not serving the interests of capital. examples of iranian bourgeois would be the owners of arms and aerospace companies, the national auto maker, and that cooking oil company that became a meme on tiktok. they don't really seem to have much influence on diplomacy.
you sound like a clown. maybe you should read some of the theory before you bastardise it.
>>2643281where is this almost legendary help? it's like you're speaking of a religious prophecy rather than the reality in which it lives in, iran has done absolutely nothing for palestinians, as they're nothing more than weapons for the islamic republic to stick israel in place for a bit while it gains influence somewhere else, eventually israel realized they can just annihilate them and that card loses all of its power, at the rate things are going, there will be no more palestinians in their original territory even if the islamic republic continues to exist, and the islamic republic has suffered nothing but military loss after loss, and now are experiencing extreme inflation, they are nothing but militarymen and clergy who are either gonna be forced to make extreme changes, or be overthrown and replaced with a liberal republic, either way i don't care
>>2643268
that's a very fair and academic way to use the scale, but we'll have to agree to disagree because you won't convince me that israel shills don't deserve a 7/10.
>>2643281>support this imperialist state that had a hand in genociding Palis before cuz another imperialist state is also genocidal>also ignore the 3 or 4 other genocidal states in the region cuz yemenis and africans are lesser humans apparently>all war but class warThe geopol mind never ceases to amaze
You should really read this
https://libcom.org/article/auschwitz-or-great-alibi >>2643278If you don't care that the zionist imperialists will be even more unimpeded than they already are, why bother commenting on anything? It's all equally shit regardless of what actually practically happens in the world. Just kill yourself or go outside or whatever
>>2643281>but in regards to the current geopolitical situationDon't care lmao
>>26433050 minus 1 is still zero
>>2643281>Multipolarism should be something we take advantage ofYes. May the workers of Iran take advantage of the chaos of the protests and the tug of war between US, Israel, Monarchist and Islamist interests.
>>2643303>You should really read this <Although attributed to Amadeo Bordiga, it was probably written by the French-Jewish Bordigist Martin AxelradNo thanks
>>2643312That's not a thing. It doesn't exist. You have yet to prove the existence of such a third party.
Where is chagos?
>>2643319<noooo it's icky and evil because of who wrote it….stop being a fucking baby
>>2643322there is at least one soviet in arak, and certainly others too
>>2643330There is no proof of this "soviet," nor is there proof of any notable third camp.
>>2643325I choose not to read anything by the lasagna lord as his followers have yet to provide me with any arguments ever that would convince me doing so would be worth my time
>>2643327Keep dreaming pal
>>2643330>there is at least one soviet in arakStill no proof of its existence except a single written statement
Why are orientalists so eager to snatch all agency from the browner working class? They dehumanize them so much they won't even recognize their existence let alone their struggle.
But I do hope they make their existence undeniable like how the brown republicans of the 19th century made themselves undeniable to your orientalist predecessors.
>>2643309they're also not neoliberal, or any other kind of liberal. they have zero interest in deregulation. they don't believe any any form of liberty, positive or negative. they are authoritarian, socially conservative, theocratic, but they're the lesser evil compared to saudi and israel.
stop parroting buzzwords you don't understand.
>>2643330>I unquestioningly believe every rando anarchist post on twitter Lel retard
>>2643334>yet to provide me with any arguments You mean like you kneeling over in submission instead of responding to this
>>2643303 >>2643349What's there's to respond to? It's just some strawman you conjured up and it's not really clear what you're trying to argue in that post. Like all the states in the region are genocidal and thus we should support the overthrow of US & Israel's political enemies? Hard to say what your point is
>>2643332good, stay banned, you do nothing but stink up the site with your shit-chucking
>>2643336>it's not real! only 1 statement confirms it!>>2643348true, not the communist party of iran, it just didn't happen, ok?
>>2643343bro the working class isn't interested in collapsing the state that's warding off israeli missles because the working class aren't the ones with flee to jordan funds or clowns with ambitions to install the shah of new jersey so they can open a walmart in tehran.
>SAAAAAR MY THEOCRACY EXISTS OUTSIDE OF HISTORY NOT BEHOLDEN TO ANY CLASS
>that's why the Ayatollah did 180 on private property when he came to power and the consecutive governments made Iran more economically free than Shahite Iran
Crazy how the Islamic theocracy has a thriving state-run underground prostitution and drugs industries ;)
>>2643346>they carry out vast privatization but they're NOT liberal, ok?amazing
>>2643353>it's not real! only 1 statement confirms it!Yes, that's literally nothing.
>>2643363
>my incel friend on xitter knowns more than the Communist Party active there which published the manifesto
kek
>Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential.It's literally lumpens, chuds, monarchoids and libshits in Iran proper and abroad. These people cry for Daddy Trump and Daddy Netanyahu to come save them because they don't want to die for Palestine and Lebanon and you're telling me these are workers taking a stand against zionism and imperialism? Yeah, no, fuck off.
>>2643175He sounds too personally invested in the cause, probably from diaspora or the MENA proper, Mossadists wouldn't even attempt to feign compassion for the protesters.
>>2643359>>2643358>>2643353if shitheads at the WTO want to buy iranian oil and mandate a bunch of formalities like corporate charters, bank credit, insurance policies, bills of sale, and named board members before they can purchase it, and the iranian government just wants cashflow, which party is neoliberal?
this is the exact same contextless bullshit that gets levied at china and vietnam. if iran were liberal they would have taken the bribes and normalised relations, they chose to defend their revolution.
>>2643366Please provide the link to the source that describes the "Arak Soviet" from this supposed party, as far as I am aware it is just something this rando posted on twitter and you unquestioningly believed. It was then later confirmed not authentic, which was even reposted by the rando who originally posted the "Arak manifesto", but you're still here cheering for it anyway. So if you have information that the rest of us is not privvy to as to confirm its authenticity, please do share it
>>2643370>These people cry for Daddy Trump and Daddy Netanyahu Source: Trump and Netanyahu
>lumpens and chudsThat's the base of regime supporters, retard.
>>2643374are you referring to the trump regime or the netanyahu regime?
>>2643373illiterate dumbass
>>2641214 >>2643378>ngo flogs from jacobin and wapo calling iran neoliberalnow I've seen fucking everything. second screenie isn't even about iran.
I just wanted to make one small point about the conflict between Iran's wealthy capitalists and Iran's theocratic government, a line of dickheads showed up to be performatively wrong, to defend the revolutionary pottential of an israeli color revolution. it's absurd.
>>2643387It's just the same statement with zero additional proof of authencitity. CPI reposting it isn't some iron validation that it's anything but wishcasting.
>>2643390>overwhelming sources say the ACKsis is enforcing neoliberalism in Iran, Iraq and Lebanon over the bodies of millions of workers?>but have you considered I like their vibe?No, I didn't nor do i want to :)
next point that will make israelis seethe: Iran has never claimed to be a democracy, isn't taking billions in military aid from the US to blow up childrens hosptals, doesn't have apartheid, never pinkwashed their military. they don't lose any credibility because they aren't lying snakes pretending to be lefties.
>>2643397those are not mutually exclusive if you think about it for a second
>>2643392The CPI have been active in Arak before you were born
I'll take their word over your furry friends on xitter
>>2643398The Mossad forced ACKsis militias to murder anti-austerity protesters
>>2643394who gives a fuck about their vibe? does their theocratic policy fuck over their capitalists constantly? yes. does their state give a fuck? no. absolute authority is in the hands of the clergy. the clergy are not the bougeoisis. is this worse than a socialist direct democracy? immeasurably. is this liberalism? absolutely not. the main problem is religious ideals over materialism, and a greater conflict with secularism than capitalism.
fascinating and unique country. not liberal at all.
>>2643322If that's true, why do I have to suck islamist dick? What's the logic path that gets me there? Nationalism? Geopolitics?!?!
>>2643407liberalism and especially neoliberalism aren't just synonyms for capitalism, retard
>>2643412Refer originally to
>>2643353 Has Iran collapsed yet
>pretending to be leftistI'm not. I wrote a whole thread about it
>>2611371 >>2643387That's the same unsourced statement dummy, that doesn't prove anything, for all you know they copied it off of the same Italian fb page that the twitter random got it from. Where's the proof?
>>2643411yeah, they're ideologies with principles like
> separation of powers> secularism> individual liberties> independant judiciarythat iran doesn't follow, doesn't want to follow, or crucially claim to follow. they can be capitalist and not liberal. who are you responding to?
>>2643417No, no country has collapsed there since Israel was destroyed and its genocide stopped by the zased Iranian rockets
>>2643425So no proofs then?
Figures
>>2643413The Marx that explicitly counterposed liberalism and German reactionary bismarckian "socialism" in the very Communist Manifesto?
>>2643421I think we are in agreement
>>2643429>the Marx the counterposed liberalism with liberalismYes that one
The WSJ article is paywalled by a thing that hasn't gotten much attention is how the currency collapse was precipitated by Israeli hacks on Iran's financial system:
https://www.hudson.org/cybersecurity/predatory-sparrow-hacks-irans-financial-system-michael-doran-zineb-riboua>>2643404That may be true but it's difficult to argue that theocratic rule is preferable to bourgeois rule.
>>2643429ok but I maintain the claim that they have a limited market economy while being a predominantly theocratic country. and calling iran any kind of liberal is retarded.
>>2643434>theocratic ruleCan you take your liberal friends who like defending Iranian liberalism and collectively go back to reddit?
Here this is our quran
>>2643353 >>2643432You are genuinely retarded.
>>2643441Said the illiterate faggot who haven't read a word of Marx and can't respond to Lenin
>>2643434>That may be true but it's difficult to argue that theocratic rule is preferable to bourgeois rule.that's implying the two are really that different, either theocratic liberalism or pro-western liberalism
>>2643434I never made a claim that theocrats were nicer, just that people were misapprehending the facts on the ground and then drawing wrong conclusions.
>>2643444the principle lenin is stating is sound, but there are exceptions to every rule and in this case the capital has to yield to the prophet.
>>2643444Lenin's out of context quote was a polemic against people who criticized Soviet Russia for "skipping" the bourgeois democracy stage. I.e. there was already a successful revolution, a revolutionary government, and settling on social democracy would mean reverting to a bourgeois dictatorship.
It has almost nothing to do with the situation at hand, which is spontaneous protests with vague liberal demands, nebulous class character and essentially zero chance of any revolutionary outcome.
>>2643456Maidan snipers 2.0
>>2643449can you summarize your case for iran being liberal? I figure you're talking out your arse bt maybe it'll be haha funny not sad funny.
>>2643456>certainly the protestors do not have weapons in their possessionClearly some of the people in Iran are armed though.
>>2643451>lenin is wrong cuz vibes KEEEEEEK
>>2643452>Lenin reiterating Marx's thesis on the irreconcilability of classes and the inevitable domination of one by the other through the state which is ultimately a tool of class rule<how does this relate to my third positionist retardation???I accept your concession
>>2643458It's pretty clear at this point that the IRGC was shooting, but cults like to pull false flags. Cults also like to accuse everything they don't like of being false flags, but they're also the types to carry them out for crazy reasons.
>>2643461Well there are separatist groups (Kurds, Balochs) there and I've heard people say MEK has armed cells there. There are Kurdish groups that have been claiming attacks and infiltrations over the past few days.
>>2643465Did an MEK guy cuck you?
You haven't stopped talking about these nobodies since the protests started
>>2643462>third positionistYou're just spewing random nonsense at this point
>>2643462I don't blame lenin for not mentioning a special case islamic revolution from 1979.
>>2643470Your mind is broken by liberal campism
Just like your mama's is by my girthy cock
>>2643465>Well there are separatist groups (Kurds, Balochs) there and I've heard people say MEK has armed cells there. There are Kurdish groups that have been claiming attacks and infiltrations over the past few days.Yes, and they've both been pretty active in the protests, probably due to the simple fact of actually being organised.
>>2643468Anon we are specifically talking about Iranians that are armed, he mentioned MEK in this respect. If you can't talk about things like an adult please fuck off. You can always go to the Venezuela thread if you are just really into faggy bickering.
>>2643478He was spamming their shit now he is digging for conspiracies
>>2643473not the campism guy! hey, why do you hang out with people who hate you? is it because that's all people?
>>2643432>>2643413why do complete dumbfucks try to act like they read marx?
>>2643479I was talking about the monarchists too.
Just came across Mike Doran (plugged-in neocon) shitting on them in a podcast he does with this right-wing Israeli guy. I find this inside glowie baseball stuff interesting.
The context is them talking about what Iranian nationalism is in contrast to specifically Persian nationalism. Iran's non-Persian ethnic groups don't like the monarchists. Say what you will about Shia Islam but you can have Persian Muslims and Azerbaijani Muslims going to same mosque.
>>2643483I think they read him but are of those type of Marx readers that think just because Marx was critical of philosophy it means you can dismiss everything else (they dont understand what "critique" means in the context of german idealism, of which Marx inherited much because of his academic formation) then they don't read anything else and therefor misinterpret Marx because they dont get the philosophical context Marx was engaging with.
>>2643404>does their theocratic policy fuck over their capitalists constantly? yes.How do you figure that?
Peace, land and
Bread>>2643484>>2643404>who gives a fuck about their vibe? does their theocratic policy fuck over their capitalists constantly? yes. does their state give a fuck? no. absolute authority is in the hands of the clergy. the clergy are not the bougeoisis.<muh state is separate from the economic systemHail ᴉuᴉlossnW
>>2643483They ran out of arguments but are desperate to feel like they won the discussion
>>2643527>people really thought he had some kind of ace up his sleeve when he encouraged the people to protestBibi
>>2643586Funny when your only rebuttal to theory is "I feel otherwise" lol
>>2643462 >>26435272000 to 12000 to even 20000 reported
Doesn’t Iran have big riots every few years that never amount to anything. Why is this one any different.
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