ICE PROTESTS GENERAL*ICE SHOOTS TWO PROTESTORS EDITION*
Everybody was wrong, ICE began shooting protestors only one day after the protests began. This Thursday afternoon, ICE agents shot two protestors and put them in critical condition in the city of Portland, Oregon.
>What will come of this?<We don't know yet, but if you had to realistically guess, nothing probably.Source:
https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon 474 posts and 103 image replies omitted.>>2665786>It had to be done last timeI would suggest looking up the complexity of the timeline surrounding the nuclear bombings before making this claim.
>what do you honestly think is gonna happen when Trump starts WW3?It is the duty of the American people to ensure that this does not happen and to resist it at every turn if it does. Kill US soldiers, leaders, and commanders whenever necessary if this occurs, but the idea that the only way to prevent or end WWIII is going to be to kill 330 million people is an insane thought. Mass genocide of innocents isn't "anti-imperialism."
>>2665727oh shit it's Fat Damon
>>2665798There of course is still time, if the German proletariat decided to obliterate the NSDAP in 1933 then they wouldn't have been Dresdn'd, Hamburg'd, Cologne'd etc. but the question is, did they obliterate the NSDAP in 1933?
>>2665802There were plenty that tried; did they deserve to die for failing? If the citizenry of the US fails to prevent WWIII, does that justify the killing of every oppressed minority, every worker enslaved to American capitalism, every immigrant, every child, every person that just so happened to *exist* in the country when this happened? This is functionally no different from right wingers who insist that your appearance, phenotype, or nationality warrants your death. It's an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation.
>>2665804trvke
it's workers of the world god damn it
>>2665804Theres a family that has been terrorizing the neighborhood for 200 years. You've got a button to blow up their house, but it may kill his whole family, including the family dog and the one kid thats not an asshole. Do you press it and let them continue murdering and pillaging through the neighborhood (killed 90 million of your neighbors the past 200 years) or do you just press the button?
If you kill fascists then you turn into the real fascist, thats what Adolf Marx wrote once…
>>2665809Inaccurate metaphor. There's a family that has been terrorizing the neighborhood for 200 years. You've got a button to blow up their house, but it may kill his whole family, including the family dog, the one kid that's not an asshole, his hundreds of slaves (many of whom actively attempt to undermine the master's attempts to terrorize the neighborhood), and the hundreds of children he abuses in his basement who constantly attempt to escape.
There is nothing stopping you from rescuing the children.
There is nothing stopping you from helping the slaves overthrow their master.
There is nothing stopping you from evacuating those willing to go before pressing the button.
The problem is that all of those require effort and commitment to some level of principle that's harder than just Killing Everyone. I repeat: this is an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation.
>>2665813Did you know that 80% of the German workforce consisted of slave labor during WW2, can't bomb their factories anymore, checkmate, Allies.
>>2665816It's funny that you say this, because this was the case for the American South during the Civil War. Do you know how the Union dealt with this problem? When they stormed production centers, they freed the slaves, handed them guns, and said "fight your oppressors." A great many did.
This state of affairs is only unthinkable to those who are not actually serious about the entire premise of leftism.
>>2665820The Union also did Shermans March to the Sea…
>>2665822Which does absolutely nothing to rebut what I just told you. "You should not kill innocents, especially innocents that work against a hostile state" is an immensely simple concept.
>>2665822His personal guard was comprised of Southerners who betrayed the Confederacy, which just proves the point.
>>2665825>>2665828I agree, nobody ever did scorched earth or strategic bombardment and wars are won when the two armies meet in a field and then the war is over 🤣
>>2665809>le terrorist jargon>planting bombs in housesWe get it, you're Israeli. You can stop publicly masturbating over your fantasies of mass civilian death now.
>>2665804>There were plenty that tried; did they deserve to die for failing?Deserving? Surely not. But they did die as a result of fascism winning all the same.
>>2665836It's clear that you didn't think your opinion through on this at all. Allow me to remind you that this conversation started when someone said that the complete and total genocide of the entire United States population down to the last man woman and child would be "anti-imperialist action." Since that was ridiculous, they attempted to retreat to the more defensible position that sometimes you have to bomb cities in order to get worlds to end (a completely different position, mind you), and attempted to state in conjunction to that that the total genocide of the United States population down to the last man woman and child would be the only way to prevent WWIII (????) and that it would be deserved if the population failed to stop it, a position which would justify, among other things,
>the death of the French Resistance during WWII,>the death of antifascist Germans and Jews during WWII,>the death of southern slaves during the Civil War.You now attempt to redirect this absolute travesty of an argument by attempting to state, through irony, that it's impossible to win wars without at least the deaths of some innocents, which, regardless of truth, has nothing to do with the original claim, that being that the complete genocide of a state's population is not only morally permissible, but in fact morally imperative.
>It's an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation. >>2665854You can be internationalist all you want. But unless socialists take over the USA, they, as will everyone else be dragged to the death spiral of US imperialism all the same.
USians can't imagine the concept of any of the "foreign policy" of their superpower having a direct effect on them, besides the occasional (false) promise of the bourgeoisie sharing the plunder. For the moment, it's all about morals and principles and abstract support.
When eventually the USA faces bombs in it's own territory. Or the losing end of imperialism. It won't matter what anyone's intentions were. It's all too easy now to discard "foreign policy" because nobody can yet retaliate, but that will hopefully change.
>>2665866>You can be internationalist all you want. But unless socialists take over the USA, they, as will everyone else be dragged to the death spiral of US imperialism all the same.Nobody is arguing this. What is being contested is that killing every single person in the United States is an anti-imperialist moral good. It isn't.
>>2665839Agree, Soviets were Israeli because they killed Fascists by the truckload.
>>2665867>moral goodNot really morally good, but necessary to save the other 8 billion proles walking the Earth when the fascist war machinery starts WW3? Maybe.
>>2665882>MaybeNo. This is yet another attempt to legitimize a completely unhinged viewpoint. In no world is the COMPLETE GENOCIDE of an entire population going to be required to prevent a World War. This is no different from white supremacists saying that we need to kill every last brown person on the face of the planet in order to have world peace.
>>2665884But its still gonna happen. The world has access to American social media where they can read about on how Americans fantasize about killing the rest of the world, where they jack off to little children getting tortured by ICE, where they read about American incels talking about joining the military because they want to rape women and when the world war finally happens and the first news of US war crimes come in, then it just confirms all the shit they've read on Twitter, Reddit, 4cuck, Instagram, Facebook that Americans want to kill them for real, its gonna be self-defense at that point to take them out.
>>2665891Again, how does literally any of this justify the complete and total slaughter of everyone in the country, including those undermining the state and the underclass? At this point you're just saying "well it's gonna happen anyway" as if that's not something that should be prevented. Again, this is INDISTINGUISHABLE from imperialist, fascist, and supremacist rhetoric. Regardless of whether or not we want to, we HAVE to kill all black people. Regardless of whether or not we want to, we HAVE to kill all jews. Is every baby born in America supposedly a little capitalist just like how every baby born in Palestine is supposedly a little Hamasling?
>>2665894It doesn't justify anything, as proles heavy on revenge will just do it when the US MIC production starts collapsing as the US can't even outproduce Russian military production, not to mention the rest of the world. The US is high on fascist bloodlust so they will commit war crimes, news of those war crimes will enter the media spectacle, American e-celebs will straight up say those war crimes were funny, the WH Twitter account will make an edit to make fun of those war crimes, American right wingers will make memes of those war crimes and spam the internet to own le libs.
Then when the future Allied forces land on American soil, they in turn will commit war crimes as revenge.
>>2665905Okay, so this is just some weird LARP fantasy that you have in your head. I think it's pretty fucked up that you're fine with this.
>>2663374>he same shit happens every day in Iran, Russia and North Koreaoh really???
https://thepostil.com/how-the-idf-militarized-american-policing/<The ideological core of this exchange is what critical security scholars refer to as the “enemy-centric” or “population-centric” counterinsurgency model. In the Israeli context, this manifests as a doctrine where the entire Palestinian civilian population in the occupied territories is viewed as a potential threat, a “sea” in which militants “swim.” This justifies pervasive surveillance, collective punishment, pre-emptive strikes, and the use of overwhelming force to control and demoralize the population. The transfer of this ideology to the American context required a simple, yet devastating, substitution: the “Palestinian” was replaced by the “Muslim,” the “Black radical,” or the “immigrant.” Communities of color in the U.S. were thus re-imagined as internal frontiers, hostile populations to be managed, controlled, and pacified through tactics of occupation."all cops are bad" is a typically infantile ultraleft slogan that all phenomena in the world are universal, they lack the ability to critique to precise particular issues that makes all the difference in the world.
>>2665907But it literally happened, alot of German communists fled before the Nazis put them into camps and didn't poop and shit about Allied war crimes when they came back to help rebuild the GDR.
>>2665914That was not a COMPLETE GENOCIDE. Not every German died. As you just said, many working against the government fled to sympathetic parties beyond their country, something that should hopefully also occur in this weird hypothetical that you keep talking about rather than THE EXTERMINATION OF 330 MILLION PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF UNDERCLASS STATUS OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION. I really can't sit here and type the same things out all day.
Why are you pivoting from "it would be good if it were to happen" to "well it's going to happen anyway?" What kind of conversation even is this? I don't gain anything from continuing to debate genocidal wet dreams so this is going to be my last post.
>>2665924Pivoting from what, you realize I'm not
>>2665758Just butted in and tried to remind you that wars aren't won by not touching civvies.
It's over already, huh
>>2636309> if hostilities escalatedThis is what regime wanted but their plan blew up in their faces, only they haven't fully realized it. Maybe the brown shirts will be defunded and some of them convicted.They wanted agitprop but they can't spin the reality except for those already in denial. They wanted to get the voter rolls in MN but failed. They always rely on distraction to hide what they're really doing but it can't last.
>>2636570They're cheering the deaths of a caricature of "the left". The dehumanizing propaganda convinced them the victims deserved summary execution and that we don't need civil liberties enumerated in the bill of rights as long as their team is 'winning'.
>>2665758Calm down multipolaroid McArthur
>>2663570>e621hahahahhaha what
>>2666073Still ongoing. ICE wants blood and power, and will continue to force confrontation until something gives.
>>2664863Do any of you krackers actually read marx? For instance, he’s clear the key to solving the flow of Irish immigration in England was labor coordination
in both countries, not this stochastic right-wing terror Trump is doing to appease his base. A portion of white Americans will keep taking the baited hook about immigration the bourgeois throws at them no matter how many times it reels them into another failure throughout history, but will still feel entitled to grimace and whine when people say they lack revolutionary potential.
>>2667588Reading is work.
>>2667588A lot of posters here just parrot what they see on social media because they've convinced themselves that reading is obsolete when you can have some idiot scream opinions at you through a screen
>>2667588anon there are still people reposting that clip of bernie sanders saying "open borders is a koch brothers policy" no people don't fucking read (sadly)
Nat Guard is handing out donuts to protestors instead of shooting feds
Walz should embrace the great Democratic tradition of seceding from the union and opening fire on all federal forces
I really do think we're at a point where we just need to stop paying taxes cause like the medical scientists are getting fucked the meteorologists are getting fucked what else do we have to lose at this point
Why aren't people going harder like they did in MN in 2020?
Is it because crackers are the ones motivated here and they have dick all revolutionary potential?
>>2672024The DemocRATS had controlled opposition in 2020
>>2672038Walz was the gov then wasn't he?
They were still there. Not sure what the connection is between The People burning a police station and a bourgeois party.
>>2665222Oxygen is good for you, without it, we would suffocate.
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