ICE PROTESTS GENERAL*ICE SHOOTS TWO PROTESTORS EDITION*
Everybody was wrong, ICE began shooting protestors only one day after the protests began. This Thursday afternoon, ICE agents shot two protestors and put them in critical condition in the city of Portland, Oregon.
>What will come of this?<We don't know yet, but if you had to realistically guess, nothing probably.Source:
https://katu.com/news/local/ice-shoots-two-people-in-portlandoregon >>2636298the issue is that they would just say "fuck you, we can kill her and you can't do anything about it" if they wanted to do that. right now, they're doing everything in their power to justify it and lie and distort the situation.
clearly this is not the strategy they're pursuing.
Explain like I'm retarded and not American:
What would happen if hostilities escalated and organic citizen militias started killing ICE agents on sight?
Is there any precedent of an large group or population violently resisting federal enforcement?
Would they simply start a civil war against the city?
Would the city starve if besieged?
>>2636305Hello caleb where is my red army faction kidnapping billionaires and NATO generals, I demand you deliver this before I can call you a prophet, surely you can assemble a team with your brainwashed sex cult followers
>>2636298This isn't reddit, retard. Vague vibes are worthless. "a loophole" yeah nice "theory", you idiot.
>>2636309>What would happen if hostilities escalated and organic citizen militias started killing ICE agents on sight?<There would be a state of emergency called and the national guard, if not the army, would be mobilized to crush both these militias and every single left-wing organization in the country, along with the Democrats as the cherry on top.>Is there any precedent of an large group or population violently resisting federal enforcement?
<The Coal Wars in West Virginia are the only real example. They were a tremendous defeat for the workers and set them back decades.>Would they simply start a civil war against the city?<Depends on if militias only have notable presence in that city, or if they're nation-wide.>Would the city starve if besieged?<Most certainly. >>2636318<Most certainly.Does this mean "almost certainly", or "certainly"?
(Certain already means 100%)
So now we will have daily ice shootings
>>2636322Certainly. It will 100% starve (unless the siege lasts for under a month).
>>2636305spanky tankie strikes again
Democraps don't want ICE destroyed, just "reined in".
>>2636324and school shootings!
>>2636345Who are you talking too?
>>2636357why is Glownonymous arguing with themselves
>>2636357>Who are you talking too?AOC's statement used the words "reined in".
>>2636378I didn't ask "Who are you talking about?"
I asked "Who are you talking to?"
The implied message being, "We're a socialist website, we don't give a fuck about about your electoral spectacle. Read the room, or leave."
>>2636300it wont.
amerimutts wont remember in a week.
also read ur dc uhyga
>>2636388>nth thread about ICE>random post critiquing a political statement about ICE>babble about communism socialism out of nowhereYou have brain damage.
>>2636305Like hitting the side of a fucking barn, any midwit could predict it
>>2636448owned by maupGOD and doesn't wanna admit it
>>2636305>american years of leadno
<american years of lardyes
free luigi
It's kinda getting bad when retards are defending the icefags in Jimmy Dore's video. I'm unable to understand the magafag dicksucking of icefags when they would shoot them under any circumstances too.
>>2636672
>Why is it controversial to enforce immigration laws?
It's the way they do it
<Deputize chuds and weirdos with mass amounts of cash
<Go after average people on the street for PR stunts
<Behave like total assholes
<Zero coordination arresting people multiple times
<ICE agents enjoy the power trip of having people obey them out of fear
<Deport legal citizens/legal family of legal citizens "by accident"
<Stephen Miller's crazy bullshit
<Done so shit some ICE agents are random larpers that bought gear to impersonate with intent to kidnap people
Like anything the hands of king Midas Trump touch, everything turns into a golden toilet
>>2636672
>>2636683
Why are you on this website?
>>2636672The controversial part is a militia of malcontents executing and kidnapping people, violating due process and 4th amendment protections provided for in the Constitution. But this isn't about immigration and never was. Now that they're executing whites in public I'm wondering if they, poor white people, are beginning to figure this out. Maybe it will break the spell and illusion of supremacy for some of them. I don't know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk7o5T56iwhttps://x.com/statuscoup/status/2009428265547497499?s=46Car rams into anti-ICE protestors. Domestic terrorism alert???
>>2636672
Cope chauvinist borders are for cucks
>>2636672
You peaked intellectually in 5th grade, bud. You’re genuinely fucking stupid.
>>2636672
Bait used to be of high quality. Kill yourself ASAP.
>>2636305The problem is that Maupon thinks it is "bad" that is happening. Not that it is simply the new inevitable political theatre.
>>2637000the sequel to the charlottesville car attack
>>2636305There are no "American years of lead", and they will never take place. Why is that? Americans are too lazy to take up arms.
https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2009407822925103267==LIVE FROM NYC=
<"Kristi Noem will hang!"<"Save a life, kill an ICE!"NEHgang, is it over?
The scale and brutality of it is obviously incomparable but the rightoid freakout is giving me a similar vibe to zionists' usual responses to videos of Palestinians being murdered. The majority don't actually believe she was trying to run anyone over, but they say it anyway because they don't wanna admit the cruelty makes them horny. Doesn't even matter (to the white nationalists) that it was some random white mother, the reaction is the same as if it was like Yahya Sinwar or something. They can't contain their glee.
I know "no it's u actually" is not an effective argument but I honestly believe "they want your children raped and they think it's funny" or whatever the retarded Sam Hyde quote is applies so much more accurately to rightoids.
>>2637210Americans take up arms more often than probably any other population on the planet, they just do it to kill children at a pre-school or in a road rage incident or something.
>>2637303TRVKE
>>2637304many more thousands will be killed before anything will even begin to happen
>>2637291we're two days before trump regime forces open fire on protestors
how long until ICE buildings are bombed on mass
>>26373098 days. give or take 3 days.
>>2637308total burger death NOW
>>2637315insert le "if only both sides could lose" quote
I can see more shootings like this heading into the summer. Who knows what's gonna happen next? Maybe some ICE dickhead will unload into a school bus full of children because he felt threatened. Then the fire happens.
>>2637364>TREN DE ARAGUA TEROR CHILDRENthe burger right has already been israelified
enemies of the state are already subhuman
nothing will happen but state violence until the inevitable 3rd imperialist war or the impending economic collapse
https://x.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/2009414819485458673==ICE… RUNS SOMEBODY OVER?
<inb4 "every accusation is a confession" >>2637386
I will take a soy deboonker over a vibes r-tard. At least the deboonker gives me useful information. Vibes shitheads just make shit up and parrot Online Content (TM)
>>2637364>then the fire happensLol no
>>2636298>Muh third termTrump is an 80 year old obese man who lives on a diet of fast food and has to take extra strength asprin every day to avoid his blood clogging up.
There is a very real chance he won't make it to 2028, let alone serve another 4 years.
>but DJ Vance-a-lotLiterally no one likes him
>>2637698stephenmillerwinsin2032andkills everyone.jpg
already fizzled?
sad
>>2637698JD Vance, Tucker and Fuentes will fight for the inheritance.
going to an event at the portland ice facility tonight wish me luck anons
>>2638031Hope you do something of note. Good luck.
>>2638000nope, it's only begun
>>2638055of course they're welcome, it's their natural habitat!
>>2636290Its not our fault the world revolves around us
>>2638031i'm disavowing so hard rn
>>2638063fuck you mean
yes it is our fault, but that doesn't change the fact that the world does revolve around the US
Protests are liveStatus Coup is covering from Minneapolis, more streams will be added as they appear.
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/Happenings free luigi
>>2638116is Erik a fed or just an anarkiddie
More like POOdini am I right?
>>2638124quotefancy.com is a boorjwazee website
>>2638119he is the next lenin you fcking radlib
>>2638127wtf I'm a trot now
>>2638131why don't you lead by example? just grab a rifle and snipe one of them, you could probably get away with it
Drones can do amazing things
>>2638148admit felix was correct, NOW!
>>2638135>>2638132You'll quickly realize why this won't work, it's that 1) There are no guerillas in the USA 2) there is no organization which would back the guerillas if they existed 3) lone acts of adventurism do nothing.
That is the point of asking the question. There is simply no iteration of our timeline wherein those 5 guerillas exist.
>>2638131>and send a messageYou adventurist fuck. You can't honestly say you've given your life to revolution if you know this little about it.
This is the level of thinking I've come to expect from race-war neo-Nazis, not socialists.
What message are you sending.
Who are you sending it to.
How will they reply to that message.
And most importantly, how will potential allies interpret this series of events.
I suggest you ask next what would it take for a group of 5 guerillas to ambush 100 members of the FBI SWAT squads.
>>2638154soo… you were just
pretending to be an adventurist edgelord? in order to tell us that adventurism is pointless?
>>2638153I don't think its correct to make demands of others that you're unwilling to follow through yourself.
>>2636309>What would happen if hostilities escalated and organic citizen militias started killing ICE agents on sight?If I had to guess what would happen: NatGuard would be called in, ICE would temporarily retreat (followed by more intense ICE raids in other parts of the country being escorted by cops/the military. Trump declares martial law as a means to both cancel the election as well as just straight up arrest his political rivals (and probably some weird shit like arresting George Takei). In the city it happened there'd be curfews, checkpoints in and out, any group even vaguely left wing would be repressed and raided. Maybe concentration camps for anyone brown.
>>2638101Woke's multistream is up now
>>2638116I wonder if this might be what begins drone warfare in purely urban places
>>2638181Now this is a truke. People talk a big came about the second amendment and that they would revolt if the government came round and took their guns. The harsh reality for these freaks is that if Trump suspended the 2nd amendment and even did a massive bill to confiscate people’s weapons, that most of those losers would give up their weapons without second thought.
>>2638116Stop forgetting that this is America, Americans are weak cowards, they can only use their weapons on unarmed people or only use their weapons on a population with far less technological sophistication (Iraq/Afghanistan). Americans could never use their weapons to resist their own government.
>>2638181finally a good take from this pseud ass
>>2638164>I don't think its correct to make demands of others that you're unwilling to follow through yourself.whatever
no more democrats, ok?
time to decide if you are a communist or a dickrider
>>2638181God I hate homesteaders
>>2638032Obvious psyop is obvious. They did the same thing in 2011
>>2638031>>2638192You appraise felix too highly. Felix and cpusanon are two sides of same coin. Felix speaks loudly, but goes to peacefully protest in killzone outside concentration camps.
>>2638242Yeah tbh i would respect him more if he just had a more realistic attitude
>>2638154you were the one asking why it wouldn't work idiot
>>2638132i, for one, would not say this lmao
Americans are addicted to cheap labour, whenever someone trys to take it away the firebrands rile people up into having a massive spergout and people die, the biggest sperg out being the civil war where 1 million people died.
No one should ever move an inch from where they’re born
>>2638652Gentrification apologist
>>2638652migrants are being exploited? how terrible! clearly the best course of action is to deport them and seperate them from their livelyhoods against their will! what did you say? maybe we should just stop exploiting them? nope!
>>2638652>>2638604>>2638656can't you porkies just clean your own toilets, its not that hard.
>>2638657sorry buddy but we're done picking cotton.
>>2638657I’m tired after my fourth bottle of champagne and fifth investor meeting god dammit
>>2638661Easy, exploit native labor
<it's a respected tradition in Japan for some CEOs, like founders of Panasonic (Konosuke Matsushita) and Honda (Soichiro Honda), to clean company toilets, believing it fosters humility, attention to detail, quality control, and good fortune, linking cleanliness to business success and character development. This practice stems from the concept of "5S" (Sort, Set in Order, Shine, Standardize, Sustain) and promotes a thorough, no-task-is-beneath-you mindset, even inspiring volunteers to clean public facilities for years, notes this Tokyo Weekender article.
there's no reason you amerikkkans can't do this
>but i neeeeed an illegal for this, i don't want to clean up my own taco bella baja blast
not my problem
>>2638674Japan is a pedophile island that has never confronted its imperial past, why take their example in anything besides turn based RPGs?
>>2638653>>2638657Rightoid coping will continue until morale improves
>>2638679Literally every ML state has an equivalent to ICE far more brutal
>>2638181To add more enriched plutonium to the TRVKE. It's all pretty much downstream from early American settler colonialism. Those "well regulated militias" got their start massacring and displacing natives.
Protracted people's war status?
>>2637023I don't know which movie is more historically inaccurate, this one, or enemy at the gates.
If you know history, this shitty movie just took all the actions of the white army and blamed it on the chekists.
>>2638181Shit he is actually right. Now that I think about it, the US is naturally fascist. This would also explain why estern bloc countries trained everyone into military stuff but did not allow gun ownership. Actually I don't know how to interpret this.
Will the peacecucking end today?
EXECUTE ICE AGENTS
>>2639284its literally "self-defence" to shoot unidentified, masked-up men who are hunting you down btw.
>>2639293It isn’t just you, you’re allowed the same in the defense of another person that’s not you (in GTA rp)
friendly reminder that pro-ICE reactoids more often than not are petty bourgeois and literally have there home address on Bizapedia.Com. Like Jayden Scott who lives at 400 W John St Bay City, MI 48076. I find it quite ironic that there aspirations to join the parasite class make them extremely easy to dox by just looking up there small business on Bizapedia.com
So uh, I might’ve done something a little stupid during the protests. Don’t think it’s the kind of thing where I’d be on the cops radar but it wasn’t the smartest move for someone who wants to stay anonymous.
>>2639354Posting that, even as vague as you’re being is probably a little too risky if you’re actually out there, don’t bring your phone, have a physical map you can use to get to either your car (which should be parked far away from where you’re demonstrating) or your home
>>2639354Well think of it this way, if the pigs are after you that means you're doing more than Felix
>>2639378
>go table/recruit alone
>alone
wow, that's just really irresponsible. why would they ask you to do that?
>>2639316It's not really irony they're just very stupid.
>>2639365I left not long afterwards. On the plus side it was a fairly liberal and older crowd and it
seemed like the cops might've been vaguely sympathetic (people would honk their horns to show support, cops overseeing the protest briefly flashed lights and honked) so I don't think this is something they're gonna hold against me or search for me after the fact.
Sorry for being vague, I might explain in a day or so once it seems like things have calmed down a bit. But I'll basically say that the Trump hecklers were really pushing the limit (we had a guy speed past the protest with his windows rolled down yelling "I HATE N**GERS!" at us) and so I confronted one of them about it. Didn't throw any fists or anything but it was a real heated moment on my part.
Status Coup on the ground in Minneapolis
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/Happenings>>2639354>>2639432>CPUSAanon now has more street-cred than FEDlix Based but you should really be more careful about this. Use TOR if you haven't by now.
>>2639599I don't think this is "street cred", it's just when you have one stupid angry white guy making a scene you counter with another stupid angry white guy. The fucking gall of going to a protest right after ICE murdered a random person and huffing "I like this, actually!" Is insane
>>2639316>friendly reminder that pro-ICE reactoids more often than not are petty bourgeoiscope
middle class/petty bourgeois = pro-immigrant, anti-ICE, anti AI
working class = anti-immigrant, pro-ICE, pro AI
>>2639698Literally neo-colonialism
>>2639780>no requirements to be an ICEbe a chinlet
enjoy beating people
>>2636627more generals will continue until morale improves
>>2639631In a perfect world you'd be able track him down secretly without flock cameras tracking you and beat him within an inch of his life. That's my fantasy at least, so I'm sure you're fine for just getting heated and bitching at someone.
>>2639780It's because they want thugs with guns, there's no discipline required. If anything Trump/etc relish the violence and chaos.
>>2639901I mean we did end up blocking traffic for a little, which is where I think I could get in trouble. That and I was deliberately obscuring one of the Trump guy's counter-protest.
Though I think hopefully the worst I could get is a fine. Cops didn't bother writing me up or anything at the time.
>>2639698I don't even understand what they're getting out of this. What is the actual end goal of using siege tactics against one of your own cities?
>>2640011to escalate in order to force worse policies
>>2640011It's to punish Minnesota for not gunning down Somalians and anti-ICE protesters
>>2640011The reactionary psyche is that you can inflict enough pain on people to get them to submit. They believe that their opposition doesn’t have ideals and can be tamed with violence. When the BLM protests happened Stephen Miller argued for massacres to disperse it.
>>2640011Logical reasons are things like forcing political alignment through intimidation, and developing as much of a direct federal presence as possible in blue states/cities so you can rig future elections.
There's also the whole "cruelty is the point" thing because they're literally sadistic.
>>2640019clearly miller should have remembered the massacres of the anti-vietnam war protests, which did nothing but valorize them as heroes killed by armed thugs
>>2640011They think they're LARPing as Lincoln, unironically
>>2640025The suspension of farm subsidies is to upset the farmers who are the most reactionary group in america when pissed off. They're a force to be reckoned with in politics because they're actually organized, and now they're very quickly going to demand that Trump should be allowed to do whatever he wants.
They state itself won't starve, most subsidized farms produce commodity crops like corn to be sold on the market, not necessarily locally.
It's a punishment/negative reinforcement technique to get the Farmers to mobilize politically in favor of trump or they go out of business.
>>2640039in minnesota the farmers are generally not, it seems like a miscalculation to mme
>>2639698if you hecking VOOTE hard enough this will be reversed!
This is from
2014:
<U.S. border agents are facing new scrutiny for killing migrants, with 21 civilian deaths reported since 2010. The Los Angeles Times obtained a report by law enforcement experts that criticized the Border Patrol’s “lack of diligence” in investigations and found agents deliberately stepped into the paths of cars, apparently to justify shooting the drivers.https://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/4/headlines/report_us_border_agents_stepped_in_front_of_cars_to_justify_shootings>>2640496All you will see is liberals hugging ICE agents to defeat Drumpf.
>>2640026To be fair even at the time there were some conservatives during those massacres who were like "HURR HURR, THEY GOT WHAT WAS COMING TO THEM!" I think a lot of these guys were probably raised in authoritarian households and so when they see "peaceful protests" it enrages them and they want to just brutalize the protesters.
>>2640755Theres a whole instagram page of vehicle ramming into protesters.
So what is the solution to the “you can’t go violent because they are looking for an excuse to instate Martial Law” dilemma? The silly parts of this rebuttal are 1) you won‘t achieve your goals peacefully anyway, 2) the longer you engage peacefully the more time has passed not achieving much while their goals continue to advance, 3) they already apply violence past whatever the status quo once deemed acceptable even before citizens turned to violent resistance.
The only solution is clearly to go violent anyways, but so many pea brained people will be confronted with the inevitable that you will have to confront anyway and say “see!! that’s why you shouldn‘t have gone violent!!! they were just waiting for you to do that to have an excuse”. Okay well what‘s the fucking alternative?
LIVE ICE RAID, THEY ARE RAIDING A HOUSE WHILE PROTESTORS ARE AROUND
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HAPPENINhttps://tv.leftypol.org/r/HAPPENIN>>2640846Patrolling the city, being around ICE, doing patrols, unarmed or armed, legally(like the Panthers did) is a great way to reduce their capacity to act
If a mass of people(even if not, but always better the more people there is) is present in sector where there is a raid, mass people standing in front of the targeted door chained together to prevent them accessing it etcc
>>2640867That hasn‘t solved the larger problem of the Trump regime, which is what I meant. I should have clarified that. Secondly, yes, what you listed does diminish successful kidnappings but not enough.
>>2640936I mean it's easy to make fun of the wine moms but I feel like anyone who isn't doing something more based than protesting has no leg to stand on, at least they're doing something
>>2640936Anarkkkiddies love an excuse they get to rape and pillage their own communities, why are you surprised by this?
>>2640937Fomenting color revolution is the opposite of "based"
>l-le do something!!!Why? For the sake of a bunch of sinophobic radlibs who want to strengthen the empire? Let them get stomped I say. Also any "communist" out there unironically engaging with these faggy little dance parties to "stop ICE" as if AES states dont have law enforcement is just pure cringe
>>2640833After that one boomer in South America (was it Argentina?) Got out of his car and point-blank executed protesters blocking traffic there were a bunch of replies from Conservatives glazing him and being like "You know he was living the dream here." Speaking as a guy who had a kind of authoritarian upbringing too, I can say it's "weird" when you see stuff that goes against how you were raised. I mean I recognize that it isn't how things "should" be but I imagine a lot of these guys are all "IF I TRIED LYING DOWN IN THE STREET MY DAD WOULD'VE STRANGLED ME!"
They've got open contempt for the people who do passive resistance way more than the people who fight back, because they see not being murdered for non-violently defying power as enraging and a sign you're "spoiling" someone.
>>2640937I don't have a problem with the wine moms I have a problem with the dickrider occupied "socialist" orgs that are not helping the people uncuck themselves. I'm not a burger so I can't do shit except seething.
>>2640940Ah so you think the police should kill more people, very based and socialist of you comrade
>>2640941Go ahead and 'critique' but do it in good faith, why are you not more offended by the vast majority that do nothing than the minority that do something mostly ineffective?
>>2640955Don't really know what this is referring to so I can't comment
>>2640986>mostly ineffectivethat 'mostly' doing a lot of legwork lmfao
we already know this shit is ineffective, you dont need to attempt doing stupid useless bullshit for the 99999999th time that only exists to feel good about yourself and, even more stupidly, post videos of on social media so you can get agents at your door, and expect something different to happen, but what can you even expect from politically impotent middle classers (redundant) anyway
>>2640995It's a good thing for people to resist ICE even if they aren't really stopping them do anything. They are showing much more courage and dedication than your shit posting ass
>>2641022Go make yourself useful then and burn yourself in front of an ICE building, lib. Much courage, much dedication, wowww.
>>2641022What is missing is people, earlier there was maybe a dozen of protestor in front of a raid. If they were a few dozens, or better a few hundred they could easily have blocked the raid
>>2641022Except they're not "resisting", they're engaging in a performative ritual to absolve themselves of guilt. If they were actually resisting ICE they would have stormed the headquarters and slaughtered them as well as all the shitlib politicians and their supporters, but because the protesters are willing beneficiaries of imperialism themselves they will never do this.
>>2641037post wall socket
>>2641037Not even the Weathermen were this stupid
>>2641037theres a far more effective third alternative to either "taking selfies and dancing and calling it a protest" and whatever dumb shit you spewed
https://www.reddit.com/r/anythinginteresting_/comments/1qa5q6y/trump_supporter_seen_laughing_at_renee_nicole/So the MAGA hecklers harassing anti-ICE Protesters I saw the other day weren't just one off. I mean, no real surprise, but it's the dregs of society just bubbling up to vice signal. They're making nuisances of themselves publicly to say "We support ICE murdering random women!"
I think post-Trump, and there will be a post-Trump, there should be huge campaigns to dox all these mother fuckers that went out of their way to support the guy even as he plunged deeper into Fascism. Just have their faces publicly outed. Fuck 'em.
>>2641091>So the MAGA hecklersYou need to start hunting them.
>>2641101I mean I snapped a photo of one of the dudes trying to heckle protesters at my local anti ICE event: don’t know much about tracking people down by faces alone but if I can I think printing some flyers around the dude’s neighborhood and workplace to let his neighbors know what kind of a douchebag he is would be wise.
>>2641044Succdem “Leftcon” using slurs again. Unsurprising to see the culture war has claimed your mind.
>>2641047there are some christians on the protests telling people they need jesus instead of armed resistence lol its over
>>2641111<but if I can I think printing some flyers around the dude’s neighborhood and workplace to let his neighbors know what kind of a nonce he is would be wise.improved it for the increased bants.
>>2641144Thanks for translating it into Britbong
>>2641113its time for woke 2.0 to shine leave that shit in 2016 sweetie
>>2641437Not a lot of liberals own guns as a rule, their response has mostly been to impotently complain “where are the second amendment types standing up to government tyranny?” As though those types aren’t mostly in ICE already or feel any desire to “save” them.
>>2641484
>Genuinely asking.
No you're not.
>>2641484
Oh noes da somaliSS
>>2641484
Most people don’t have deformed amygdalas giving them a constant fear response and don’t make doomscrolling right wing news outlets a full-time job.
>>2641484
You‘re too far gone.
>>2641484
I hate white "people", simple as
>>2641484
they have Somalis in bumfuck nowhere, population 200?
>>2641593I live in LA and can’t even remember the last time I saw or spoke to a Somali person irl
>>2640940>Color revolution <In the USAWhy are MLkiddies like this?
>>2641607Tbh I think we got way more diaspora from West Africa than East Africa. We’re family friends with a guy from Uganda who makes us spicy chicken now and then—ngl it’s really good.
Honestly given we’re talking about fucking Minnesota I think huge amounts of African immigration would be the culinary equivalent of the fall of the discovery of penicillin. They don’t have to eat Lutefisk or carrots preserved in green jello anymore.
>>2641670That's literally what they believe thougb it's not a gotcha
fizzled.com
>>2641037wow bro youre so heckin radical!!! yeah we should all kill ourselves to totally pwn the fascists!
>>2641847It is a gatcha and doesn‘t stop being one just because the target unironically believes the idiocy pointed out
>>2642126The overwhelming majority of Americans ARE fascists, and every dead fascist is one less parasite on the imperial periphery
>>2642167Big words. I‘m sure you will back that up with actions.
>>2642188I don’t need to do shit, you’re perfectly good at getting yourselves killed
>>2642263She almost certainly supported Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris so yes
nu-black panthers status?
>>2636309>>2636318>>2638164It can't be worse than it is already. Democrats, and their allies the DSA, SAlt, FRSO, PSL, and CPUSA are all trotting out the line that being armed somehow makes you less safe and more likely to be shot (the opposite is true)
Liberals are too cowardly and gun-control cucked to do anything like this, even though it is necessary.
The entire Trump family deserves to get Romanov'd.
>>2642479>Not true that being armed make you more likely to be shotIt's an actual statistical fact, retard. It's the entire reason why the black panthers stopped open carrying and expecting everyone to be packing all the time. If you're going to use guns, it needs to be in very specific circumstances with trained cadres like in community defense militias. The whole point of organizing is to
organize. This isn't a fucking larp this is fucking serious. You and people like you need to get mature and start really thinking about discipline and actual responsibility real fucking fast or you're going to get yourself or someone else fucked up or killed.
Fucking kids, man.
>>2642503Name one protestor now or in 2020 that was killed and armed. Either by gun or being run over. I'll wait.
ICE is not disciplined, either. They advertise on pizza boxes. The only advantage that they have is firepower, and phony leftists want to keep it that way by frightening "retards" and "kids" at these protests.
>>2642479>>2642503And btw, while it may be possible that we'll have shootouts between ice and spontaneous adventurist cells, it won't make any progress until you have a fucking
centralizing force/party directing things and making real gains. And that's nearly impossible considering the whole thing about the US army being the best in the world.
So the only option would be urban guerrilla warfare. It would need to be relatively (god forgive me for using this word) "rhizomatic" because all communications in this country are compromised.
The only way to facilitate this is by hoping each individual guerilla can somehow get educated and trained properly through study and theory independently and on their own. Which… Doesn't seem very likely but who knows lol
>>2642510>Ice isn't disciplined eitherMotherfucker that have
centralized coordination and communication under direct supervision of the fucking Sovereign State, with unlimited fundsYou can't just pick up a gun and expect that to solve everything. This shit is going to get fucking crazy and you have to find ways to really operate and organize. Stop being a fucking individualist hero or whatever and join a fucking organization or you'll get
nothing done.
>>2642510Jorge Gomez (Las Vegas, NV)
Incident Date: June 1, 2020
Details: Gomez was participating in a protest in downtown Las Vegas. He was wearing body armor and was legally carrying several firearms.
Circumstances: According to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, Gomez was shot by four officers after he allegedly pointed a firearm at them as they were dispersing the crowd. Federal prosecutors later declined to charge the officers, citing that Gomez had raised his weapon.
>>2642525>>2642522>>2642514Can you at least admit that Romanoving the Trumps would be a wholly good action ?
>>2642522Wouldn't protesting being even more useless at that point then? You're just giving them targets to datamine from so they know who to kill or imprison in the future. At that point you may as well form groups in the shadows for covert operations like rightists already do with active service units on telegram.
>>2642525I think I remember that some of the participants in the protests were said to be groypers or buggalo boys or similar types and they were just trying to cause chaos. I think one of them killed an a agent or security guard in Oakland. I don't know if this guy was one of them but I think I might've heard that.
>>2641834ice on ice violence
The best hope is covert operations.
>parents of Renee are MAGA
>said at first to journalists that she was a single mother cause they didn't accept that she was lesbian and married to a woman
<they are now superficially mad at Trump
Mercy kill conservatives doug
>>26459171) good agitporp
2) did you hear about the general strike plans on the 23rd? If not get involved comrade.
>>2642270You're a fundamentally unserious person who would rather be morally right than win
>>2646479He spams his garbage in USApol too I would just ignore him.
>>2646413I won't be there for the 23rd, but I am attending a protest tomorrow
>>2646428I'm surprised that more people haven't been talking about this. general strikes are a really ambitious and difficult thing to organize, and there isn't a lot of time for it to happen, but the fact that it's being talked about as a tactic and that it's happening somewhere like Minnesota where a lot of people are going to feel solidarity in being singled out by a tyrannical regime to be bullied, imprisoned, and outright murdered by masked thugs is just about the best case scenario I can imagine (given the current low levels of class consciousness in the US) for something like this to actually work.
if they manage to make something happen, other cities will start following suit. we could actually start to see the end of all this useless disorganized peaceful protest bullshit and see actually effective tactics being utilized. needless to say I'm cautiously hyped.
>>2646563x2
it was about damn time something like this started happening already
>>2646511wow
one whole day
that'll show trump
>>2646606What is your plan, call for an unlimited endless general strike with a general population that has probably never even been on a picket line at their own workplace? You need to give a masses a taste before you have them sit down and eat.
>>2646609you should also vote democrat
>>2646609Obviously his plan is to continue posting on leftypol and sneer at anybody who actually goes outside or tries to do anything, the most revolutionary of all proletarian tasks
>>2646611Infantile with no experience of worker organising.
>>2646582>>2646563This at least has the thing that people are taking time to actually call it, rally people around, and work with/through groups that can actually leverage workers to do things (unions, churches, community groups). Minneapolis actually has a history to speak to too (although that strike was lead by trots lol). It is infinitely better than dickheads making posters on bluesky or making sign-up lists (real).
Protests status?
>>2646626indeed, there's been a few other instances over the past year of people paying lip service to the idea of the general strike, and there was one union (UAW I think) talking about organizing a general strike sometime in the future, but this is the first time I've seen talks of organizing a general strike (or really any kind of strike that isn't controlled opposition trade unionist shit) that seems to actually be somewhat organized with some real strategic value behind it.
will be very interested to see how this pans out.
>>2646615I am only 7 please dont get mad at me
>>2646612>actually goes outside or tries to do anythingTaking a Friday off so you have a 3 day weekend to binge netflix counts as "doing something" lmao
>>2646731Millions of people doing that at once is actually "doing something". If you have any better suggestions though then I'm all ears
>>2646743>Millions of people doing that at once is actually "doing something".Oh yeah they're doing something alright. Enjoying a 3 day weekend and then going back to work on Monday.
>>2646762>>2646731Why do idiots think a strike involves staying at home? The entire fucking point is that now you have the working population to protest. That is part and parcel and the average prole fucking gets that.
>>2646787Oh goodie they'll protest! Maybe they'll wear costumes of le epic Marvel characters too! That'll show the heckin fash XDDDDDDDDDD
All ignoring of course that this "strike" isn't going to get off the ground because the chimpout in Minnesota has already fizzled out and fallen off the news cycle. Poor Americans so desperate for a revolution to redeem themselves they look for it everywhere but where it actually takes place. Sad!
theres so many obvious fed posts, if you think you can get away with a violent insurgency in the US you are a retard. they're trying to get angry leftists to go do terrorist attacks so trump can keep being a despicable pedophile until he croaks in a pile of his own fish-fillet produced shit
the winemoms and veteran normies hate him now, theres no reason to do attacks
>>2647023They want a war. Give it to them.
>>2647025>>2647034theres stories coming out that ICE is having to bring on therapists because morale is extremely low, slaying/shooting/killing or w/e would make steven miller's penis immediately erectify itself then blast cum all over himself
>>2647025>>2647034also, it's like the stock market, when there's a winning strategy the dynamic system reacts to it and nullifies the strategy from the individual actors reacting to the strategy. glowing is getting less and less effective over time
>>2647046Actually so far the strategy seems to be "catch enough of them slipping on ice like a Loony Tunes character until they get too embarrassed to stay"
Which honestly might actually work
>>2647035>Therapists for ICEReminds me of the sex therapists for IDF scum
>>2646787The actual effective part of a strike is the fact that you're leveraging your labor power numbnuts. What are they gonna do, go to a no kings protest? You got it backwards ya moron
vanguard status?
>>2650300i got the same vibe
>>2650300Somehow doubt the libs would be bold enough to invoke the Black Panthers and give them actual guns especially when their messaging so far has been "please dont fight back you're just giving Trump an excuse to crack down" and other cuck shit
i'm not hearing anything about the protests. i guess things will just kinda stay as their air until the general strike or if ICE does something really stupid.
>>2650300>they seem like some kind of PR move by a lib agencyWtf does that mean? Why would a lib agency want to tell people to get armed and defend themselves from the state?
Minneapolis status?
>>265214655% of the LAPD is hispanic
>>2652147That makes sense since LA is almost 50% Hispanic. California as a whole has a Hispanic plurality so most police forces here would have a significant amount of Hispanics.
>>2651350Wtf is even that??? Man Americans should be completely whipped out from the face of the earth, what the fuck is that? They are not humans
>>2650300The OG Panther Party fractured.
These guys are relatively new.
The leader and the guy in the video is named Paul Birdsong and seems unaffiliated with what was left the old BPP as far as I can tell. That could be a good or bad thing. I’m not sure yet. Apparently they are anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist, but the wiki is vague about what that means practically.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Birdsong >>2652480>>2650300Oh, hey.
I found their phone number.
>>2652146someone post the video of them detaining that one guy
>I have reason to believe you weren't born here because of your accent!>but you have the same accent tho!? >>2646751They are correct; the strike is a disorganized attempt at mass action and political agitation that is doomed to fail.
In actuality it will play into the hands of the Federal authorities as the governor will face mounting pressures in office as they are drawn between two disparate poles moving in contrary directions, those of the protestors and the administration.
If the protestors cannot be brought under control, if the state attempts to interfere or otherwise impede ICE, or for whatever reason if the violence escalates, the crackdown will be as swift and severe as possible.
The strike itself will fail to build momentum, first and foremost because it is nothing more than the mere involuntary reflex of the local workers as well as those few members of the petite bourgeois who stand in opposition to the realities of class rule, as there is no unifying element in the form of political membership or any basis on which to build solidarity.
In actuality the fallout from the inability to sustain such action will drive both the Republicans further to the right as the administration must tighten against any resistance from within its own ranks and the political state in order to prevent its rule from splintering.
Again, these protests are nothing more than those social spasms which are produced from the administration of violence by the bourgeois state in the imposition of its rule onto the body of its own society.
If you view these protests as having some innate potential for revolution you are severely deluded, as the reality is completely the opposite: American social life is being sucked into the vortex of its own decay, and with it the ever increasing response by that class which must within these conditions preserve their system of rule through progressively more repressive measures.
>>2652506are white people allowed to join the black panthers?
>>2652506wow he's so cool
>>2652507theres the white panthers
>>2652511>>2652512they dissolved tho
>>2652535Someone will claim for bullshit non-reasons that this is beyond impossible, and then someone else will go and do it
>>2652591Furries need to arm themselves or die
>>2652599I don't think you can grip a rifle while in a fursuit
can we take a moment to appreciate the cowardice of the pig police and the absolute bravery of the protestors? You got these pigs out here in fucking tactical battle rattle, more armor than a medieval knight, armed with gas masks, AR-15s, rubber grenades, tear gas, anti-IED vehicles like the MRAP, just full on soldier-mode. Then you have the protestors, often women, often in just a basic mask, a winter coat, and their stone cold steel balls. I don't think the pigs feel big when they're suiting up. I think they feel small, and I think we know how pathetic they are.
Paper tigers. That riot armor would be ripped to shreds by a hollow point fired from a Glock, one of the most common handguns in this country. They are scared because they are a minority among the masses. The only hope their ideology has of surviving is by means of fear and violent oppression. It will not work.
>>2652591They arrested Mr. Fox
>>2652602Not with THAT attitude
>>2653043LMFAO W reference.
but also no
Is something happening?
>>2653090ive been saying this a billion times. you need to secure agriculture and housing to actually have successful workers politics in the west. lenin had the peasantry on his side, it was never just a pure worker's revolution.
>>2653285To the Mississippi Basin it is!
>>2653090Treatlerism used to be doordash luxieries now its not starvimg to death
>>2653285There's no peasantry in the west, be serious.
>>2653285best bet is the agricultural proletariat, farmers in north America are often part of the problem, it's farm workers that our the ones we should support
Strike status?
>>2660150Are we talking about the farmers who vote Trump because he give them stuff?
>>2653285Whichever form of governement you have, even if you are Lenin, if your people can't eat you have revolts everywhere.
>>2654414It's a particular kind of peasants who have a 4 millions $ loan and own tractors. The trend, however is that more and more land belong to billionaires who rent it to people who are enslaved by Monsanto and John Deere.
>>2653090>housing is a treatThe absolute state of this place. Although it speaks to the low level of class consciousness and organizing experience among US workers if they don't even know what strike pay is, let alone know how to organize it.
>>2654414Hobos, bums, and vagabonds are the closest.
At mutual aid events they have such a peasant mindset. Throwing each other under the bus, bragging about who uses the least social services, very reactionary thought.
>>2653285There isn’t a fucking peasantry in the U.S.
Immigrants compose the heart of agricultural labor.
>>2660865> Hobos, bums, and vagabondThose are lumpen and that tracks.
>>2660865Peasants are the exact opposite of this man. I visited India's cotton belt for research about corporate social responsibility and it is not uncommon to see entire villlages coming out to mourn farmers who killed themselves because of debt. Lots of negative drawbacks in peasant societies, but they care for each other in a visceral, almost tribal sense.
>>2660871This is why the recent Iranian protests were so deadly. A basiji killed a man in a small town, his entire village and tribal community came out to lynch basijis. Most of the deaths are from these rural encounters
>>2660871Interesting.
I mostly referred to it as them "loving the boot" or "kissing the lords rings" they will do a lot to appease their overlords and be the "ideal homeless person"
Well shit is gonna pop off more now I imagine
>>2662682i trust in night gang
>>2662686Throwback to 2020 I'll keep my eyes open for streams
trump really is going to cancel elections isnt he ?
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/Happeningswatching news conference with Walz
protests when streams are up
Any progress being made on doxing the nazis fucks responsible for the murder yet?
>>2636274Let america eat itself. that is my dream
>>2662880
You’re questionably literate. You write at the third-grade level.
>>2653090theyre all right and youre a terminally online commie
>>2662955Lose weight, fatty.
>>2662708Woke is live with the protests.
Its. 5pm in Minneapolis.
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/Happenings I thought everyone was being alarmist but it's starting to dawn on me that these people are all capital F Fascists and the only thing stopping them is their own incompetence . A thousand lashings from the Celestial Empire
Two Americans get murdered by the police over the past month and it's fascism but the same shit happens every day in Iran, Russia and North Korea and it's anti imperialism
Can someone bypass this paywall?
https://www.404media.co/the-200-sites-an-ice-surveillance-contractor-is-monitoring/I guess that's the real way to make the money off tragedy, put the mission critical shit behind a paywall. I mean, we have paywalled articles too but they are always going to be opinion pieces or less well, critical information
>>2663564Based, let's see if leftypol made the list comrades
>>2663570>Gaia OnlineFUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK I'M SO FUCKED GUYS
>>2663587Can they even scrape this site? How does this site even work actually lmao
>>2663587They also monitored e621, rule34, eporner, and chaturbate. Start to think that an intern is using the office computer for "research purposes"
>>2663587All the hispanic 1488cunnyhitlerpedos on twitter are in for a rude awakening.
>>2663630Imagine them screaming that they are 58% spanaird to a bunch /pol/tards as they dragged away
>>2663627>>2663619ILoveGrowingMarijuana chads stay winning
>>2663658Aparently in germany their national socialist jews who would jokingly chant down with us…. they died
37 year old man killed in Minneapolis. ICU nurse, licensed concealed carry permit holder. Feds say they feared for their life. His weapon was never drawn.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/ice-minneapolis-shooting-01-24-26Color revolution status?
>>2663561>According to U.S. government procurement databases, ShadowDragon’s clients include the State Department, the Army, the Fish and Wildlife Service,what sinister activities is the fish and wildlife service up to? do they have a special operations unit?
>>2663583>>Gaia Onlineholy shit it still exists? Blast from the past.
>>2663374the use of state repression is not unique to fascism yes, the trump admin is still fascist
>>2664160Fucking never cuz dude's retired.
>>2664267Libs are so double faced. Body shaming is le bad unless its using "small dick" as an insult
>>2664267Yeah bro! Happy new 2016!!
>>2664270Body positivity only apply to fat women.
>>2663561>>2663564>FetlifeYeah, they’re 100% using this to build up a supply of compramat on anyone deemed a radical.
>>2664304Oh my bad. It's a stale joke only until the moment the same libsharts expect the microdick chuds to show up and protest the goobermint alongside with them?
>>2664096>>2663564>go into debt>dont get invited into all this rageIt couldn’t be that one has to do with the other, right Mr. Shadowdragon?
>>2664267>>2664270"Libs" are only against gun culture. Small capitalists flaunting their guns like toys and dreamign about killing muh hordes
Not to be a "revolution soon plus two weeks" guy cuz I know there's a lot of work to be done, but this latest shooting does feel like a particular watershed moment. The administration is half assing it even harder than usual, the victim was a straight white male who was a pillar of his community and was clearly executed just because he tried to help a woman who was pepper sprayed. Renee Good they were able to get away with lying about because she was a lesbian and an "activist" so therefor she had it coming, but they cant do that here. It's telling that so far even ghouls like Tim Pool and Asmongold are against this, although I suspect they'll receive their marching orders before long.
>>2636298this silly way of thinking ignores that ICE wouldn't be in MN like this if MN cooperated with ICE detainers on people in jail / prison.
>>2664527Current marching orders are a combination of just moving on and "he wasn't a responsible gun owner because he walked up to cops with a weapon; FAFO."
The second one isn't playing super well with normal people, though a lot of online conservatives are going for it. The number one thing people have to do is keep up the pressure to make sure that talk about both shootings (but especially the second) does not go away and becomes a polarizing issue for those that aren't already completely brainwashed by the state.
>>2664828My view currently is it's looking more like a bad shoot. Likely a mistake, but not a justified shooting.
>The number one thing people have to do is keep up the pressure to make sure that talk about both shootings (but especially the second) does not go away and becomes a polarizing issue for those that aren't already completely brainwashed by the state.I'm sorry but I am not an anarchist and do want immigration laws to be enforced. I do not sympathize with people trying to stop immigration laws from being enforced and think they should find better uses of their time and energy. Mass immigration is not some idealistic radlib daydream, it is a tool to prop up a broken system and find more pliant workers and voters.
>>2664863>I do not sympathize with people trying to stop immigration laws from being enforcedworthless strawman. no one is doing this. immigration is a civil matter, not even a crime. you can deport people without marching down the streets like you're hunting a serial killer.
how come every other country on earth manages to enforce their immigration law without the need to kidnap people in broad daylight?
>>2664869>worthless strawman. no one is doing this.They literally are, you are uninformed or willfully ignorant. There are groups actively trying to obstruct and interfere with immigration enforcement operations. I'm sure there are plenty of protesters who have no idea of this in the mix, but that certain activist groups have organized to interfere is factual
>immigration is a civil matter, not even a crime.yes, and the result of it is deportation which can involve arrest
>you can deport people without marching down the streets like you're hunting a serial killer.yes they probably should mandate everify and threaten prison for businesses employing illegals but man if you think people are upset now..
>how come every other country on earth manages to enforce their immigration law without the need to kidnap people in broad daylight?have any ever allowed this level of immigration violations? don't you realize many other countries are much stricter about illegal immigration, even to the point of imprisoning and caning people for it? should we throw people in prison or cain them? I don't think that is necessary. Just stop it from happening and deport those who do it.
>>2664863>I'm sorry but I am not an anarchist and do want immigration laws to be enforced. I do not sympathize with people trying to stop immigration laws from being enforced and think they should find better uses of their time and energy.Can you explain for us how this justifies the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Pretti? Does investing time and energy into the non-violent protest of something you disagree with necessitate summary, non-judicial state execution?
>>2664882>have any ever allowed this level of immigration violations?So? Still doesn't justify how ICE operates, you fucking retarded bootlicker.
>So?
Dumbass.
>>2664882>have any ever allowed this level of immigration violations?the EU had like 2 decades of mass immigration/refugee violations as blowback from the iraq war, and they still didn't resort to murdering their own citizens to own the libs.
>>2664863>I'm not an anarchist but the blatant breaking of the law and constitution by assets of the state was pretty based actually.?????????????????????????
>>2664901Even if their deaths are unjustified immigration law should continue to be enforced.
>>2664907It should be implemented, I don't care that Trump doesn't want to upset business interests, it's still my position
>>2664912go join your fellow radlibs and go whistle in the streets dawg
>>2664922I don't think I've seen groups of Yuros trying to actively stop a deportation arrest but maybe you can provide evidence to the contrary
>>2664925you'll talk about breaking laws but never about the activist groups actively trying to obstruct and interfere. you don't care about laws! you're just infested with radlib ideas
>>2664863>I'm sorry but I am not an anarchist and do want immigration laws to be enforced.When will ICE start enforcing due process for immigrants instead of just executing people on the streets?
>>2664921no argument award
>>2664930>Even if their deaths are unjustified immigration law should continue to be enforced. How does executing civilians for non-violent resistance forward this in any way? Additionally, do you have an issue with people resisting laws they consider unjust? Should the US government have executed every black person involved in the Civil Rights struggle because segregation was legal and laws need to be enforced?
>you'll talk about breaking laws but never about the activist groups actively trying to obstruct and interfere. you don't care about laws! you're just infested with radlib ideasAgain, how does this justify summary execution by the state? Punishment must be equal to the crime. People are breaking laws, but that doesn't justify being killed by ICE instantly, which is what people are protesting. Should we immediately execute children for shoplifting candy bars from gas stations?
>>2664940>Ice are poopy heads They are a criminal organization that breaks the law constantly.
>we need to let 100 millions Venezuelan fishermenSo you have no argument and constructed a strawman, nice.
It could be 1 or a billion venezuelans, the way ICE operates still wouldn't be justified.
>>2664930>It should be implemented, I don't care that Trump doesn't want to upset business interests, it's still my position<Yes I know the current situation is not at all like my fantasy but I still agree with…whatever the fuck is going on because I'm a big contrarian faggot that lives in a world of "shoulds" and not someone living in reality.Here's an idea: the reason other countries don't have a militarized immigration enforcement force is because they punish corporations for violating immigration law. Meanwhile, America setup their immigration law to penalize individuals and safeguard corporations, so now you're seeing Capitalism exposing its inner Fascism. The two are interlinked, and you cannot support ICE or their operations without also being a bootlicker for corporate immunity.
Or in other words: if the government shut down Porky's bank account for immigration violations, maybe Porky stop hiring illegals and they go back home on their own without violence?
kys
>>2664967no other country other than maybe china gives a fuck about porkies hiring illegal immigrants, all of their immigration systems are set up to exploit legal and illegal immigrants alike.
>>2664971This only reinforces the fact that Tim Walz/the rest of Minnesota Dems are probably the biggest fucking pussies on earth. They're afraid of being accused for terrorist-collaboration, but no terrorism has even occurred?
>>2664971If he uses it, it will backfire massively because the powers of the executive are enforced entirely through the executive itself. ie, if the Minnesota National Guard refuses his orders, he has no recourse, and that weakens the power of the presidency, something Republicans don't want to test.
>>2664967How can I do that when the people who cry about dead retards would cry even more because of the economic fallout? Now their stocks are down and their friend lost his job managing the Tyson chicken slaughterhouse. Nobody has any will to stomach actual change.
>>2664973you won't do shit
>>2664979yeah I'm skeptical of that argument but I'm not going to be a pain in the ass and ask for an exhaustive list of evidence
>>2664973I think its the same guy that always says "all marxists-leninists states have an ICE equivalent", he thinks his bourgeoislop is the same as a post-revolutionary socialist republic LMAO
>>2664998How do you propose social change occurs if any instance of civil disobedience or lawbreaking justifies immediate death at the hands of the state? Can the government carpet bomb your neighborhood for engaging in civil disobedience or contract-breaking work stoppages?
>>2665019
>Eh, I'll tell you, what ICE/Border Patrol is doing in Minneapolis doesn't have anything to do with reversing mass immigration.
Sure, it's primarily about arresting the people who had detainers who were let out onto the street by local and state authorities in MN
>which is at a slower pace than Obama.
this is demonstrably false, go find the charts or figures that show deportations in each category. Obama changed the definition of deportations to include turnarounds at the border
>narrative is that it's not illegal to follow ICE vehicles or to record ICE on your phone
but people are doing much more than this, and people like you pretend to be reasonable while beating around the bush at the actual organized unlawful behavior which is in part meant to obstruct and interfere, but also create so much chaos and disorder that shit like this happens and retarded martyrs are made
>>2664863>I'm sorry but I am not an anarchist and do want immigration laws to be enforced … Mass immigration is not some idealistic radlib daydream, it is a tool to prop up a broken system and find more pliant workers and voters.Eh, I'll tell you, what ICE/Border Patrol is doing in Minneapolis doesn't have anything to do with reversing mass immigration. There's actually not that many immigrants there %-wise compared to a lot of states, most of all Texas and Florida, but that would piss off Republican business owners in those states. Trump has only deported around ~200k immigrants from the interior, plus a similar amount turned away at the border, which is at a slower pace than Obama.
If you look at some far rightists who REALLY want mass deportation, they actually don't like the way things are headed because they see rightists prematurely blowing their load (because ICE is retarded) and doing damage to their political project in exchange for deporting a handful of people. But that's because the White House mainly wants to fuck up some majority-white cities that vote Democrat to own the libs, and act extremely cruel to those people to make their base think they're achieving something. They could have just done normal immigration enforcement and avoided all this, but that's too hard for these people.
>>2664930>you'll talk about breaking laws but never about the activist groups actively trying to obstruct and interfere. you don't care about laws! you're just infested with radlib ideasThe problem with the right's "stop obstructing law enforcement" narrative is that it's not illegal to follow ICE vehicles or to record ICE on your phone, nor would a law making it illegal to do so have any chance of being constitutional, let alone being cause to shoot someone.
>>2665017Why would work stoppages occur when you can just import more people who will accept the conditions and pay you give them?
>>2665034The fact that you didn't answer my question aside, whether or not you can do this depends on the nature of the stoppage, the scope of the stoppage, and the industry in which the stoppage occurs. Are you just going to "import" a ton of skilled laborers in a niche industry? No you're not. Are you just going to "import" an entire city's worth of workers overnight to stem the bleeding? No you're not. Are you just going to "import" people who require background checks, experience, and clearance in important sectors, e.g. public governance? No you're not.
Can you answer my question now? How are you supposed to enact social change when the government can just kill you for doing it?
>>2665025>but people are doing much more than this, and people like you pretend to be reasonable while beating around the bush at the actual organized unlawful behavior which is in part meant to obstruct and interfere, but also create so much chaos and disorder that shit like this happens and retarded martyrs are madeIn fact the trouble really only started once the "soldiers" arrived. Before that, things were peaceful. ICE has been responsible for 2/3rds of the homicides in Minneapolis so far this year.
The feds try to act like soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Or like Blackwater mercenaries. They would drive around an act aggressively because they thought this made them safer. This is not true, they would just piss people off. They also killed people for getting too close to them. They ended up doing the insurgents' work for them at radicalizing and winning over normies to their side. Eventually it boiled over and some of those guys got killed, barbecued and strung up from a bridge. When you go around emitting an aura of aggression, eventually it will bounce back.
>>2665045the point of the joke is that there's no work stoppages because you're too busy protesting about illegal immigrants from being arrested
>why won't you respond directlybecause I think you're dumb
>>2665058So you don't have an answer and have nothing to contribute except inept doomerposting.
Your ineffectuality has been duly noted.
>>2665056the trouble started prior to that when MN entities refused to comply with ICE detainers on people convicted of crimes, often violent crimes. I can understand the sentiment behind not cooperating with ICE if they are going after people with no criminal history or no violent criminal history, but why would you not cooperate when they are trying to pick up someone with a violent past?
>They would drive around an act aggressively because they thought this made them safer.yes I agree with that, but you are still trying to avoid talking about the activist groups that are trying to stop people from being deported and baiting mentally ill radlibs into precarious situations with law enforcement
>>2665066I am not a doomer, there is tremendous potential for the future to be significantly better than the present. If anything I'm telling you that you could be more effective
>>2665077>If anything I'm telling you that you could be more effectiveSo are you going to actually tell us how or are you just going to vaguepost and tell us that immediate state execution is actually pretty based
>>2665096>vaguepostI'm more into teaching people how to fish than giving them fish
>tell us that immediate state execution is actually pretty basednever said it was, it's regrettable even if justified
>>2665077>but you are still trying to avoid talking about the activist groupsPROTIP: maybe people dont talk about them because they dont go around executing people in broad daylight
>>2665112if you encourage a retarded person to go do something dangerous then you bear some of the responsibility for any harm they encounter
>>2665101You're an unserious LARPing fraud.
>>2665136whatever makes you feel better about dickriding the personal army of the orange king bro
>>2665163dude.. bro.. like fucking chuds UGH I hate drumpfler. haha cumtown chapotraphouse bernie sandlers
>>2665215NTA but what the fuck is with the leftist inability to recognize that sometimes bad things are, in fact, bad, and that acknowledging it doesn't make you a liberal?
I swear to fucking christ that if a liberal came on here and said that oxygen is good for you half of you dipshits would immediately stop breathing.
>>2665222what do you mean? I hate the cheetoh mussolin and his gestapo army
>>2665222>oxygenYou mean radlib gas?
>>2665136>if you encourageyes,IRL,face to face telling them to do it,not indirect "support" on the internet
>>2665215>doesnt deny being a dickriderbrave and stunning
>>2663384The random porn screencaps really add to it
>>2665222you are replying to a liberal not a leftist
>>2664971>>2664930>you don't care about laws! you're just infested with radlib ideasIts okay that the goverment sends people to torture camps aslong as they do it legally
Man I miss the 420chan tube streams of the 2020 riots
>>2665723Its so hard to find coverage of events just useless online arguments i wonder if this is by design
>>2663374the people's fed violence
>>2664863>Thinks migration is a moral failure or migrants as scabs instead of transnational labor flows caused by capitalism>bootlicker>legalism-fascist-pilled<"not an anarchist"Are you? Are you, though?
I think your crowd is precisely those "anarcho"-capitalists
>>2663374Thanos-snapping the whole 330 million USians would still be anti-imperialist yes. Other scenarios get less rosy, but only because the environmental damage and other side effects required to achieve the same goals with real world means, spill too much outside of the USA.
>>2665758So is it "workers of the world unite," or is it "workers besides those in the US unite?"
>>2665760Dresden and Hiroshima got Thanos snapped, right?
>>2665763I think the mass slaughter of innocents and non-combatants in those instances was bad and shouldn't have happened. Do you expect me to say killing uninvolved workers that may not even agree with the actions of the state is based?
>>266576599% of the Wehrmacht was proles, anon.
>>2665767Killing those that have signed up and are actively enacting the will of a genocidal state is in no way comparable to killing every man woman and child in a state indescriminately.
>>2665774It had to be done last time, what do you honestly think is gonna happen when Trump starts WW3?
>>2665786>It had to be done last timeI would suggest looking up the complexity of the timeline surrounding the nuclear bombings before making this claim.
>what do you honestly think is gonna happen when Trump starts WW3?It is the duty of the American people to ensure that this does not happen and to resist it at every turn if it does. Kill US soldiers, leaders, and commanders whenever necessary if this occurs, but the idea that the only way to prevent or end WWIII is going to be to kill 330 million people is an insane thought. Mass genocide of innocents isn't "anti-imperialism."
>>2665727oh shit it's Fat Damon
>>2665798There of course is still time, if the German proletariat decided to obliterate the NSDAP in 1933 then they wouldn't have been Dresdn'd, Hamburg'd, Cologne'd etc. but the question is, did they obliterate the NSDAP in 1933?
>>2665802There were plenty that tried; did they deserve to die for failing? If the citizenry of the US fails to prevent WWIII, does that justify the killing of every oppressed minority, every worker enslaved to American capitalism, every immigrant, every child, every person that just so happened to *exist* in the country when this happened? This is functionally no different from right wingers who insist that your appearance, phenotype, or nationality warrants your death. It's an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation.
>>2665804trvke
it's workers of the world god damn it
>>2665804Theres a family that has been terrorizing the neighborhood for 200 years. You've got a button to blow up their house, but it may kill his whole family, including the family dog and the one kid thats not an asshole. Do you press it and let them continue murdering and pillaging through the neighborhood (killed 90 million of your neighbors the past 200 years) or do you just press the button?
If you kill fascists then you turn into the real fascist, thats what Adolf Marx wrote once…
>>2665809Inaccurate metaphor. There's a family that has been terrorizing the neighborhood for 200 years. You've got a button to blow up their house, but it may kill his whole family, including the family dog, the one kid that's not an asshole, his hundreds of slaves (many of whom actively attempt to undermine the master's attempts to terrorize the neighborhood), and the hundreds of children he abuses in his basement who constantly attempt to escape.
There is nothing stopping you from rescuing the children.
There is nothing stopping you from helping the slaves overthrow their master.
There is nothing stopping you from evacuating those willing to go before pressing the button.
The problem is that all of those require effort and commitment to some level of principle that's harder than just Killing Everyone. I repeat: this is an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation.
>>2665813Did you know that 80% of the German workforce consisted of slave labor during WW2, can't bomb their factories anymore, checkmate, Allies.
>>2665816It's funny that you say this, because this was the case for the American South during the Civil War. Do you know how the Union dealt with this problem? When they stormed production centers, they freed the slaves, handed them guns, and said "fight your oppressors." A great many did.
This state of affairs is only unthinkable to those who are not actually serious about the entire premise of leftism.
>>2665820The Union also did Shermans March to the Sea…
>>2665822Which does absolutely nothing to rebut what I just told you. "You should not kill innocents, especially innocents that work against a hostile state" is an immensely simple concept.
>>2665822His personal guard was comprised of Southerners who betrayed the Confederacy, which just proves the point.
>>2665825>>2665828I agree, nobody ever did scorched earth or strategic bombardment and wars are won when the two armies meet in a field and then the war is over 🤣
>>2665809>le terrorist jargon>planting bombs in housesWe get it, you're Israeli. You can stop publicly masturbating over your fantasies of mass civilian death now.
>>2665804>There were plenty that tried; did they deserve to die for failing?Deserving? Surely not. But they did die as a result of fascism winning all the same.
>>2665836It's clear that you didn't think your opinion through on this at all. Allow me to remind you that this conversation started when someone said that the complete and total genocide of the entire United States population down to the last man woman and child would be "anti-imperialist action." Since that was ridiculous, they attempted to retreat to the more defensible position that sometimes you have to bomb cities in order to get worlds to end (a completely different position, mind you), and attempted to state in conjunction to that that the total genocide of the United States population down to the last man woman and child would be the only way to prevent WWIII (????) and that it would be deserved if the population failed to stop it, a position which would justify, among other things,
>the death of the French Resistance during WWII,>the death of antifascist Germans and Jews during WWII,>the death of southern slaves during the Civil War.You now attempt to redirect this absolute travesty of an argument by attempting to state, through irony, that it's impossible to win wars without at least the deaths of some innocents, which, regardless of truth, has nothing to do with the original claim, that being that the complete genocide of a state's population is not only morally permissible, but in fact morally imperative.
>It's an unjustifiable worldview incompatible with international leftist cooperation. >>2665854You can be internationalist all you want. But unless socialists take over the USA, they, as will everyone else be dragged to the death spiral of US imperialism all the same.
USians can't imagine the concept of any of the "foreign policy" of their superpower having a direct effect on them, besides the occasional (false) promise of the bourgeoisie sharing the plunder. For the moment, it's all about morals and principles and abstract support.
When eventually the USA faces bombs in it's own territory. Or the losing end of imperialism. It won't matter what anyone's intentions were. It's all too easy now to discard "foreign policy" because nobody can yet retaliate, but that will hopefully change.
>>2665866>You can be internationalist all you want. But unless socialists take over the USA, they, as will everyone else be dragged to the death spiral of US imperialism all the same.Nobody is arguing this. What is being contested is that killing every single person in the United States is an anti-imperialist moral good. It isn't.
>>2665839Agree, Soviets were Israeli because they killed Fascists by the truckload.
>>2665867>moral goodNot really morally good, but necessary to save the other 8 billion proles walking the Earth when the fascist war machinery starts WW3? Maybe.
>>2665882>MaybeNo. This is yet another attempt to legitimize a completely unhinged viewpoint. In no world is the COMPLETE GENOCIDE of an entire population going to be required to prevent a World War. This is no different from white supremacists saying that we need to kill every last brown person on the face of the planet in order to have world peace.
>>2665884But its still gonna happen. The world has access to American social media where they can read about on how Americans fantasize about killing the rest of the world, where they jack off to little children getting tortured by ICE, where they read about American incels talking about joining the military because they want to rape women and when the world war finally happens and the first news of US war crimes come in, then it just confirms all the shit they've read on Twitter, Reddit, 4cuck, Instagram, Facebook that Americans want to kill them for real, its gonna be self-defense at that point to take them out.
>>2665891Again, how does literally any of this justify the complete and total slaughter of everyone in the country, including those undermining the state and the underclass? At this point you're just saying "well it's gonna happen anyway" as if that's not something that should be prevented. Again, this is INDISTINGUISHABLE from imperialist, fascist, and supremacist rhetoric. Regardless of whether or not we want to, we HAVE to kill all black people. Regardless of whether or not we want to, we HAVE to kill all jews. Is every baby born in America supposedly a little capitalist just like how every baby born in Palestine is supposedly a little Hamasling?
>>2665894It doesn't justify anything, as proles heavy on revenge will just do it when the US MIC production starts collapsing as the US can't even outproduce Russian military production, not to mention the rest of the world. The US is high on fascist bloodlust so they will commit war crimes, news of those war crimes will enter the media spectacle, American e-celebs will straight up say those war crimes were funny, the WH Twitter account will make an edit to make fun of those war crimes, American right wingers will make memes of those war crimes and spam the internet to own le libs.
Then when the future Allied forces land on American soil, they in turn will commit war crimes as revenge.
>>2665905Okay, so this is just some weird LARP fantasy that you have in your head. I think it's pretty fucked up that you're fine with this.
>>2663374>he same shit happens every day in Iran, Russia and North Koreaoh really???
https://thepostil.com/how-the-idf-militarized-american-policing/<The ideological core of this exchange is what critical security scholars refer to as the “enemy-centric” or “population-centric” counterinsurgency model. In the Israeli context, this manifests as a doctrine where the entire Palestinian civilian population in the occupied territories is viewed as a potential threat, a “sea” in which militants “swim.” This justifies pervasive surveillance, collective punishment, pre-emptive strikes, and the use of overwhelming force to control and demoralize the population. The transfer of this ideology to the American context required a simple, yet devastating, substitution: the “Palestinian” was replaced by the “Muslim,” the “Black radical,” or the “immigrant.” Communities of color in the U.S. were thus re-imagined as internal frontiers, hostile populations to be managed, controlled, and pacified through tactics of occupation."all cops are bad" is a typically infantile ultraleft slogan that all phenomena in the world are universal, they lack the ability to critique to precise particular issues that makes all the difference in the world.
>>2665907But it literally happened, alot of German communists fled before the Nazis put them into camps and didn't poop and shit about Allied war crimes when they came back to help rebuild the GDR.
>>2665914That was not a COMPLETE GENOCIDE. Not every German died. As you just said, many working against the government fled to sympathetic parties beyond their country, something that should hopefully also occur in this weird hypothetical that you keep talking about rather than THE EXTERMINATION OF 330 MILLION PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF UNDERCLASS STATUS OR POLITICAL AFFILIATION. I really can't sit here and type the same things out all day.
Why are you pivoting from "it would be good if it were to happen" to "well it's going to happen anyway?" What kind of conversation even is this? I don't gain anything from continuing to debate genocidal wet dreams so this is going to be my last post.
>>2665924Pivoting from what, you realize I'm not
>>2665758Just butted in and tried to remind you that wars aren't won by not touching civvies.
It's over already, huh
>>2636309> if hostilities escalatedThis is what regime wanted but their plan blew up in their faces, only they haven't fully realized it. Maybe the brown shirts will be defunded and some of them convicted.They wanted agitprop but they can't spin the reality except for those already in denial. They wanted to get the voter rolls in MN but failed. They always rely on distraction to hide what they're really doing but it can't last.
>>2636570They're cheering the deaths of a caricature of "the left". The dehumanizing propaganda convinced them the victims deserved summary execution and that we don't need civil liberties enumerated in the bill of rights as long as their team is 'winning'.
>>2665758Calm down multipolaroid McArthur
>>2663570>e621hahahahhaha what
>>2666073Still ongoing. ICE wants blood and power, and will continue to force confrontation until something gives.
>>2664863Do any of you krackers actually read marx? For instance, he’s clear the key to solving the flow of Irish immigration in England was labor coordination
in both countries, not this stochastic right-wing terror Trump is doing to appease his base. A portion of white Americans will keep taking the baited hook about immigration the bourgeois throws at them no matter how many times it reels them into another failure throughout history, but will still feel entitled to grimace and whine when people say they lack revolutionary potential.
>>2667588Reading is work.
>>2667588A lot of posters here just parrot what they see on social media because they've convinced themselves that reading is obsolete when you can have some idiot scream opinions at you through a screen
>>2667588anon there are still people reposting that clip of bernie sanders saying "open borders is a koch brothers policy" no people don't fucking read (sadly)
Nat Guard is handing out donuts to protestors instead of shooting feds
Walz should embrace the great Democratic tradition of seceding from the union and opening fire on all federal forces
I really do think we're at a point where we just need to stop paying taxes cause like the medical scientists are getting fucked the meteorologists are getting fucked what else do we have to lose at this point
Why aren't people going harder like they did in MN in 2020?
Is it because crackers are the ones motivated here and they have dick all revolutionary potential?
>>2672024The DemocRATS had controlled opposition in 2020
>>2672038Walz was the gov then wasn't he?
They were still there. Not sure what the connection is between The People burning a police station and a bourgeois party.
>>2665222Oxygen is good for you, without it, we would suffocate.
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