2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD WITH ESTIMATES REACHING QUADRUPLE THAT NUMBERtactical placedholder thread - edeshen
Previous archived threads:
https://archive.ph/dDpTNhttps://archive.ph/5s7Ek>>2644990 (archive it when it's full)
Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/Joint statement of Worker-Communist Parties of Iraq and Kurdistan:
>The protests come amidst profound political transformations in the region and a clear decline in Iranian influence, which had expanded in recent years through militias and their allies, relying on funds looted from the working class and the welfare of the lranian masses. In the same vein, American imperialism, known for its bullying and unwavering support for fascist regimes, foremost among them the state of lsrael, is attempting to market itself as a defender of human rights and a supporter of the demands of the lranian masses, by brandishing the threat of blatant intervention, as recently occurred in Venezuela the two Communist Workers' Parties in Iraq and Kurdistan, while declaring their full solidarity and support for the just demands of the lranian working class and the masses yearning for freedom and dignity simultaneously warn against relying on American policies or allowing its intervention which plays a role in providing the lranian regime with pretexts to escalate its repression of the protesters.
>Any real change, any tangible improvement, and any victory for the protests in lran depends on maintaining their independence, separating their ranks from American imperialist policies, and preserving their class and popular unity.>Long live the working class of Iran>Long live the just demands of the Iranian people for freedom and equalityhttps://wp-iraq.com/الى-الامام-273Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR >>2645841>2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD!!!!!!11!!1!1 🤯Confirmed by whom? Where is the source and evidence?
Nothing good can come from this no matter who “wins”
Damn that sucks!
So i guess you are helping the iranian people by working hard on overthrowing the western regimes that imposed an economic blockade on them, right?
OP is a Pannekoekist retard
It all makes sense now
Arak Soviet status?
Arak Soviet armament status?
US and Israel are going to attempt decapitation strikes on Iranian leadership to try and collapse the country during the protests. I can feel it in me bones. Nothing good can come of this.
>>2645888Something good can come out of this tho, if Iran unloads its missile arsenal onto the zionist entity and the u.s. military bases
>>2645903The US just evacuated everyone from the big base in Qatar, next best thing is what? Saudi desalination plants?
Where is our radio operator anon when you need him?
>>2645906In the last war, the embassies were evacuated one or two days before the first strike.
Shit thread with sectarian OP and bait OP pic that has nothing to do with the happening that was made 100 posts before the bumplimit
Why do the mods allow this?
>>2645906Qatar and Saudi Arabia are Iranian allies wholesome thrid worldists
>>2645927>liberal still assmad from previous threadI do it because I'm one of the few informed on the topic and literate enough to write the format.
Simmer down retard
China is just going to let itself get completely surrounded and starved out because they’re not willing to counter the US in any capacity outside their immediate sphere
>>2645947Careful saying this, you're going to call on the hordes of chinaboos telling you to focus on dismantling American imperialism at home instead of saying anything critical about Israel's biggest trade partner.
>>2645945>I am le informed<zero useful links or information, only confirmation bias and slogansYou need to kill yourself.
>>2645927OP is even using unsourced that 2500< have been killed. This is literally turning into Iranian Tiananmen Square
>>2645960You retards are barely monolingual meanwhile I dive to the deepest of the internet and share what local communists are actually doing and saying >>> posting 5 links to the same al jizzera state propaganda slop article
>thread 03 not even full yet
>MUH SOURCEEE
Sorry you can't read the OP I'm not responsible for your lack of literacy
>>2645960If the retard swallowed the Arak Soviet meme, what do you expect
>>2645954What is wrong with focusing on dismantling American imperialism?
You leftcums are really just defenders of American hegemony
Hello I'm literate guy Mcgee and I can read the OP which says
>according to HRANA
which itself is based on local hospital reports
Thank God for the miracle of literacy
>>2645994When the only alternatives are other imperialisms you haven’t actually accomplished anything
>>2645998Arak Soviet literacy status?
>>2645999So American imperialism must not be opposed then?
There can’t be an Arak soviet because Arak is alcohol and communism means strict sobriety
>>2645972>I dive to the deepest of the internet and share what local communists are actually doing and sayingNo, you don't. You spam the same 5 or so images ad nauseam and seethe at everyone.
>>2646002If the alternative is Chinese and Russian imperialism instead of communism then nothing has changed
>>2646006Chinese and Russian imperialism is arguably better than american imperialism in this order:
China > Russia >>> USA
>>2646012Multi-polarity. Split Greenland in half
>>2646006But actual American imperialism is real and therefore much worse than your imagined chinese, russian (and presumably iranian) imperialism
>>2646006The purpose of multipolarity is to weaken imperialism by dividing it. This helps worker revolutions have a easier time
>>2646037>Wikipediangmi
>>2646044retarded
>>2646054how is it retarded when this has historically been the reason how socialist revolutions rose in the first place? Conflict between imperial powers that ended up destroying each other to the point socialist revolutions could succeed? russia, china, post ww2 colonial socialist movements, etc etc
>>2645924>TIMESTAMPS!!!! Otherwise you're a CIA/Mossad shill!!!!Yes.
You're still a silly gusano tho. Self-crit and fix your self-loathing, loser.
Western imperialism and Iranian Islamism are once again united against the working class
>>2646037>Iran saidOkay, show me where, the primary source if you will
The mullahs are antiimperialist reactionaries while le people are proimperialist revolutionaries. It is le dialectical
>>2646114Glowie senseless word spamming list:
>Working class>Proletariat>imperialismThose words aren't what you think they mean. Read a book
and then kill yourself!
>>2646122I'm reiterating what the Communist parties of Iraq and Kurdistan are saying
>>2645841Take meds before you die from exposure to Marxism
>>2646124Oh well if two "communist" parties (about a dozen or so wealthy diasporoids from Israeli proxies in a book club where they read more French pedophiles than they do Marx) said so I guess it MUST be true
>>2646112You should legitimately kill yourself. Last time I went to Venezuela I nearly got robbed by cops who searched my messages illegally and who tried to construct a narrative about me supposedly being a drug dealer.
If you think I should still swallow my pride and accept this because according to every other retard on this board you're supposed to still uphold the government letting its police do that and worse things constantly, again, pick up some rope and hang yourself from the ceiling.
>>2646130The WCPI is most active communist party in Iraq (it opposed the US invasion while the ML party supported it), Kurdistan and parts of Iran. You wouldn't know since you know nothing about the region or labor movements and aren't qualified to be having this conversation.
>>2646012There is only american imperialism.
>>2646131Too bad they didn't kill you for being a liberal, that's a failure on their part. I hope next time you go back they dont make the same mistake
>>2646135I'm literally a communist and pretty much agree with the general communist opinion from parties in Latin America regarding the illegitimate Venezuelan government AND the illegal invasion by the US.
>>2646136Fine. I hope you get robbed, raped and murdered by ICE when they see you on the streets.
>>2646133"Kurdistan" is not a real entity or ethnicity, just an artificial geographic polity invented by Israel in the 90's that by pure coincidence just so happens to balkanize a bunch of anti-imperialist countries WOW WHAT ARE THE ODDS. You still haven't proven by the way that this supposed "communist" party engages in class struggle or even exists beyond some polycule of westerners
>>2646142Xir… all states are fake
>>2646140You're not a communist, you're a leftist and it's a pity you weren't put down like a dog when you tried to smuggle drugs into your homeland
>>2646122Leftypol removed my name again, raaaahhh! 🤬
>>2646124I don't care what contrarian Kurds and Iraqis say, who clearly hate Iran more than they hate capitalism (due to braindead ethnic antagonisms). Claiming the Iranian government and Western imperialism are somehow equivalent in their harm against the local working class, is not only wrong, it's idiotic, because this "anti-campist" stance ends up only benefiting the imperialist side. Unless these self-proclaimed marxist groups apply marxism in practice, and do something apart from running interference for Western interests, I discard their opinions.
>But Iran is directly murdering proles right now!11!!!!!11! 😭Unless you can finally provide some proof of that, I want to hear none of that Western atrocity propaganda.
Kill yourself!
>>2646145Is this the best you can do? Go back to /pol/ faggot.
>>2646142I'm not a fan of Kurdish separatism but by far the biggest loser of a Kurdish state would be NATO member Turkey, and the Kurdish independence movement is older than Israel. The earliest Kurdish nationalists appeared in the 19th century, and the PKK directly fought Israel in the Lebanon War.
>polycule of westerners
You retards were begging me to translate it's newspaper from Arabic a thread ago
The cope is unreal
Things the islamic republic did
>support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
>fuel Israel during the intifada
>forcibly privatize the economy
>hand oil extraction to european monopolies
>kill millions of workers
>genocide Palestinians in Iraq
Things Iranian protesters did NOT do
>support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
>fuel Israel during the intifada
>forcibly privatize the economy
>hand oil extraction to european monopolies
>kill millions of workers
>genocide Palestinians in Iraq
>>2646140>the illegitimate Venezuelan government AND the illegal invasion by the US.both-sides-bad is also the general opinion amongst left-libs in North America.
>>2646151Any retard can put their westoid sloptalk into google translate and come out with something that looks vaguely foreign, that doesn't prove shit
>muh genocideFor god's sake it's called WAR, nobody ever said war was pretty or lacked casualties. Grow the fuck up.
>>2646155So Iran deserves to be destroyed and her people whored out to the Yehud's slave markets because of some strategic geopolitical choices while it was under siege?
>>2646157Of course they conveniently do nothing except ineffectually dance in front of their gestapo while the imperial periphery gets slaughtered. Gazans BEGGED Americans to open up a second front and all they got was white western college students smoking crack in tents.
>>2646165Is that how you cope with the WCPI opposing the invasion of Iraq while the ML ICP was supporting it? lole
>>2646131>Waaaaahhh! Police searched me, and then let me free to go!>I nearly got robbed by cops who searched my messagesHow do you get "nearly" robbed by law enforcement??? Did you resist or run away during the process? If not, you're just trying really hard to describe an orderly (and justified) search as negatively as possible, despite the clear security threats Venezuala is facing right now. Increased security is normal under siege and would happen under any government dealing with the same conditions, including liberal regimes. Stop crying!
>>2646157So what? The 'uphold Maduro thought against the evil gusanos who voted against him' line is only defended exclusively by American and European leftists, and it's otherwise very unpopular among communists in LATAM, not just socdems.
The childish opposition to saying anything critical about Iran or Venezuela stems from a delusional belief that doing so will result in faster regime change, while upholding these countries dictatorships somehow will not alienate normal people, nevermind the diasporas or locals, who believe it or not, are sometimes open to changing their mind about supporting the cuck Shah or Maria Corina Machado.
>>2646173Funny, the actual MLs that were in government also opposed the invasion, but the western left slandered them as fascists and cheered when their president was executed
>>2646169>Gazans BEGGED Americans to open up a second front and all they got was white western college students smoking crack in tentsHamas and the PFLP actually put out a joint statement praising the international solidarity they received from people abroad. Why some people are so determined to shit on everything that they talk over the people they claim to be in favour of is beyond me.
>>2646174It's quite amusing that the official narrative is that Venezuela are state narco-terrorists, but anon is aligned with Trump against the Venezuelan state.. because he apparently experienced their hostility towards suspected drug dealers.
>Iranians workers want to prostitute the country!1
You mean the war-on-terror-supporting, IMF-enforcing, Israel-trading, multinational-owned Islamist Iran?
I hope they succeed
>>2646179>Funny, the actual MLs that were in governmentAnon, Iraq's Ba'athists were violently anti-comnunist and exterminated the Iraqi communist party after Saddam was installed in a CIA backed coup. There were no MLs in his government.
>>2646177>So what? You wanted to make a point that "Latin American Communists" take a both-sides-bad attitude, just pointing out that's a common opinion amongst non-Communists in North America as well. It's not a credential proving you're not a reactionary because the Venezuelan authorities invaded your individual freedom to not experience
almost being robbed and claiming that to be "constructing a narrative" against you like you're being cancelled on Xitter lmao
>>2646181Yeah, that irony wasn't lost on me. I agree with the other anons, if that gusano opposes the current Venezuelan government because police inconvenienced him once, they should have shot his liberal ass.
>>2646186>anti-communist<he deliberately conflates a purge of western-aligned leftists like Trots and Leftcoms with actual Marxist Leninists<he also deliberately ignores that Ba'athism is just Marxism Leninism applied to the material conditions of the Arabic peopleDoesn't it ever get tired being constantly proven wrong over and over?
Maybe it’s better to leave Iranian politics to Iranians
bro shouldn't have tried to take his ganja weed into the contry
>>2646194>Saddam didn't murder communistsOkay, then were are our fellow Iraqi comrades? I don't see any. Probably because they're fucking dead, idiot!
>>2646174Cops kept insisting that we should 'negotiate' after they searched my phone illegally (not sure why this is hard to get unless you're terminally retarded) and then found out I had 200 USD in cash. When I offered 20 dollars so they would leave me alone, they kept getting mad and playing good cop bad cop and insisting on 'negotiating' as they threatened to throw us in jail, until the post commander told them to let us go after the car driver spoke to him as they knew each other.
The sole basis around which they suspected that we were drug dealers was because of a group chat where the 'deep web' was previously discussed. But this is also something they do if they find memes mocking Maduro or Chavez, things totally worth robbing someone over apparently.
>>2646181>>2646190I see you're a bumbling retard like the other guy because I already denied this. In any case it's pointless to argue with you because you can always go back to calling me a suspected reactionary and defending an illegal search, even though you would clearly condemn this anywhere else.
Go back to the usual of calling every single communist party in the Middle East who says anything critical of the Cucktollah CIA shills now.
>>2646194>he deliberately conflates a purge of western-aligned leftists like Trots and LeftcomsThe Iraqi communist party were pro-Soviet MLs. They were not Trots or leftcoms.
>he also deliberately ignores that Ba'athism is just Marxism Leninism applied to the material conditions of the Arabic peopleNo it isn't. It's an explicitly anti-communist national bourgeois movement that offers "socialism" without proletarian dictatorship or class struggle which it openly denounces. It has its merits but you're just making yourself look ridiculous claiming things about Ba'athism that Ba'athists themselves would vehemently reject.
>>2646200The actual communists joined the Iraqi branch of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party. It's pretty simple.
>>2646203>Go back to the usual of calling every single communist party in the Middle East who says anything critical of the Cucktollah CIA shills now.lol okay, gusano, they probably would have shot you if your story wasn't complete bollocks.
>>2646206Were these the actual communists brought to power in the CIA backed coup that installed Saddam as president? Were they the ones that attacked Iran with American support and encouragement?
>>2646207You should go and try to cross the border yourself until they try to also extort you at some point in the way. But you're a chickenshit faggot saying this from behind a screen so you won't do shit. Kill yourself.
>>2646210So because Iran and Iraq waged war once they both deserve to be Zionist puppets? You're sick, but what else should I have expected from someone who voluntarily joined the SS? Maybe consider getting your own house in order before cheering on the rape and exploitation of the imperial periphery because its resistance to imperialism isn't perfect enough for you
>>2646203you write like a Liberal son
>>2646205Attempting to apply eastern european methods to the Arabic world is not Marxism Leninism, no matter whether or not you call yourself as such. A proper dialectical understanding of history and geopolitics shows that different nations and cultures are not interchangable and the advancement of the real movement in one nation can be very different from another halfway across the world. It's really quite simple, are you sure you're a communist? Wait that's a rhetorical question of course you're not
While you cunts are tugging each other off about nothing, shit's about to go down. Israel's opening up bomb shelters and flights are being cancelled left and right. Multiple aerial refuelers up atm as well.
>>2646214Reddit spacing is always a dead giveaway
>>2646213>So because Iran and Iraq waged war once they both deserve to be Zionist puppets? Have you ever tried responding to things people actually say instead of just arguing against things nobody said? If you want to imagine a totally different conversation than the one actually taking place you can do that. You can do it on your own in fact, since you don't need anybody else. Just talk to a mannequin or a brick wall or something, pretend they're saying things and then own them epic style. You don't need to involve us in it.
>>2646215>A proper dialectical understanding of history and geopolitics shows that different nations and cultures are not interchangable and the advancement of the real movement in one nation can be very different from another halfway across the world.True, but Ba'athists don't consider themselves communists, explicitly reject communist understandings of socialism and key communist concepts like class dictatorship and class struggle, and are openly hostile to communists. Go and find a dedicated Ba'athist and tell him he's actually a communist. See how well he reacts.
>>2646203Your story is incoherent. Did they leave you alone because you gave them 20 dollars or because the driver vouched for you?
>But this is also something they do if they find memes mocking Maduro or Chavez, things totally worth robbing someone over apparently.Yes. Actually, if you have such memes, you are a reactionary, deserving of gulag and beatings.
>illegal searchThat's your claim. More often than not people don't understand their own local laws. You probably know this, hence you didn't file a complaint against said police or even pull them to court.
That's the main reason I'm never visiting the Burgerreich again, because of all the shit police can do to you there legally, not to mention the illegal shit they do constantly also.
>>2646216holy shit a convoy of tankers just left al-udeid
>>2646224I didn't have time for that as I was visiting. They let me go because of the driver interceding.
It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vance in your country and there was outrage about it, but it's totally defensive here.
As I said to the other dude, consider crossing the border yourself until you get promptly stopped because you look like a foreigner then robbed by cops. You won't do it either because you're an irrelevant lowlife who only talks shit on the internet.
>>2646228>It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vance in your country and there was outrage about it, but it's totally defensive here.Surely the obvious difference there is that Venezuela is a country under siege and targeted for regime change, with the explicit aim of subjugating it and stealing its resources to benefit American corporations. You see the difference no?
End the sanctions, end the interference, let Iranians decide their fate
>>2646211>But you're a chickenshit faggot saying this from behind a screen so you won't do shit. Kill yourself.Very 4chan, what are you going to do next? Tell me you were at the top of your class when joining the Navy SEALs?
>>2646236Yeah yeah man a meme about Maduro is totally a threat to the regime. The more people with memes about him, the bigger chances it will fall. Also the more cops extort money from you under threat of jail (not an actual fine based on a law), the better.
>>2646241Tell you to commit suicide, again.
>>2646224The name disappearing is so random. It doesn't happen when I refresh the page or switch to another thread. It's just random BS
>>2646228I can't visit certain countries because my liberal regime bans it, that includes Venezuela among others. If I do anyway and I'm lucky, I may "only" land on a government list and be survailled harder. I don't need that in my life right now if I can help it.
I'd love to visit Russia, but that's impossible right now. So much for freedom in the West.
>I was almost robbedStill a silly description.
>You won't do it either because you're an irrelevant lowlife who only talks shit on the internet.What does that make you then? Have some bloody self-awareness, Christ!
In restrospect the cuck fascist mullahs leading Iran who refused to build atom bombs to not anger israel might have made a miscalculation there
>>2646243(Reactionary) political memes are a form of propaganda, agit prop, and therefore aren't harmless, you shitbrained moron!
Do you think any government at war would tolerate you making fun of the leader? Use your head for once.
>>2646244I'm a well adjusted person who visits this place while wasting time at work. The almost robbed part is because cops clearly wanted all the cash. And this has happened to more people who report even higher sums being extorted while emigrants coming back to visit also getting hit with that.
You could still visit regardless, just go to Colombia and go through Cúcuta or Maicao. Why do you have to fear getting put on a watchlist? :^)
>>2646250Why do you keep pretending to be a serious person when pretty much everything you've said in this and the previous thread would dissuade any normal person getting interested in Communism. You're a dredge, and I can clearly see you just want vengeance for some petty shit.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals Venezuela tourist group, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids whatsapp groups on Al-Quaeda narco-terrorism, and I have <survived> over 300 confirmed kills attempts at character assassination. I am trained in gorilla warfare communist organising and I’m the top sniper non-drug dealer in the entire US armed forces LATAM communist movement. You are nothing to me but just another target Venezuelan cop. I will wipe bitch you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth imageboard, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet trying to construct a narrative about me? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret LATAM Communist network of spies non-drug dealers across the USA Latin America and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your “life”. You’re fucking dead, kid Cucktollah CIA shill. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you tell you to kill yourself online in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat taxi driver charming, but I have access to the entire <insult> arsenal of the United States Marine Corps 4chan and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>2646243>Yeah yeah man a meme about Maduro is totally a threat to the regime.Not in and of itself, but having anti-Maduro memes is a sign that somebody is anti-Maduro, and if you're anti-Maduro there's a higher chance that they're sympathetic to the opposition and their foreign backers. Maybe what they did was a little heavy handed but it seems like it clearly stems from the siege conditions of the country.
>>2645967been saying this. there is no evidence that any of the people killed are even protestors
and then we have proof the statistics re published by the fucking CIA
>>2645901 which gets completely ignored
>>2645976but how will we get a bait OP if we wait for the thread to naturally end?
>>2646254Again, you support nothing less than the complete overthrow of the Bolivarian Revolution, which would result in the destruction of the country and millions dead, because of some alledged police misconduct?
You are scum.
Try helping to fix these issues, earnestly make Venezuela a better place despite the siege, instead of pissing away in some other country.
>I'm a well adjusted person >on /leftypol/Now, this is funny.
>Why do you have to fear getting put on a watchlist? :^)Oh, I don't know, because I want to have a fighting chance against rising fascism, and not be kidnapped at night in my sleep by some death squad raid, because they knew my details beforehand.
>>2646269Anon clearly isn't fearless of watchlists if he's against Venezuela because they "tired to construct a narrative" about him, he's talking like he got raped.
>Trump says he’s received word that ‘killing in Iran has stopped’
Speaking to reporters in the White House, Trump says he has received reliable information that “the killing in Iran is stopping, is stopped… and there’s no plan for executions.”
>“I’ve been told that on good authority,” Trump added. “We’ll find out about it. I’m sure if it happens, we’ll be very upset.”
>>2646133Hey im not sure if you know this but Iraq and Iran are different countries.
Hearing the news from the BBC that 400,000 Iranians have been killed in the last 48 hours
>>2646203>Cucktollah how much you wanna bet this is cucktin poster
>>2646275He got intimidated by those
big, brown policemen. For Crackers just being around non-whites already equals rape.
>>2646263Surely it does, but it's basically standard practice since a few years ago for the GNB to do this with impunity and other things during these searches. Despite the memes being 'reactionary', something I would dispute because you could easily run into this problem for a Maduro in Agartha meme, it doesn't mean whoever has them is coming on an infiltration mission to kill that dude.
>>2646269I do support it being overthrown, not through a foreign backed coup though. I know this will make you seethe, but whatever. The Venezuelan government has been illegitimate since it started disappearing and killing people years ago, and especially after the election fraud two years ago. It staying in power will not fix anything at all, and even if sanctions were lifted, we'd still have a dictatorship. It's a 'you made me hit you' situation, but leftistly.
I live in another country and don't plan on coming back because this can still happen, wages are shit and pretty much all public services are terrible and food is way more expensive.
> and not be kidnapped at night in my sleep by some death squad raid, because they knew my details beforehand.Funny, because that's what the FAES was famously doing 7 years ago and happened again after the election protests. Sounds more like an excuse from someone who won't leave the house.
>>2646275What would your ignorant ass know? People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time ago, at a far lesser frequency but it has happened.
You people act exactly like zionists casting doubt and minimizing every abuse Palestinians report.
>>2646288>What would your ignorant ass know? I know that complaining about "false narratives being built" is for rightoids on Xitter, not people who travel to the global south where drug trafficking and foreign infiltration is a problem.
>>2646228>It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vancesee the difference is that its good when communists do it. kind of like how it is good to kill fascists but bad to kill communists and self defense doesn't actually make you just as bad as a murderer
>People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time ago, at a far lesser frequency but it has happened.
Wait hoooooold on! Are you now claiming this was an attempted rape, like that was the motivation behind "constructing a narrative" against you?
>>2646269lol they are clearly an anarkiddie and not a even a leftcom ultra "communist"
>>2646288>especially after the election fraudproof? evidence? source?
>People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time agowere they using viagra? did they throw gusano babies out of incubators?
is libya communisms yet?
>>2646288If you want to overthrow a government, you better have something to replace it with, otherwise only Western-backed compradors will take over, making life 10-times worse. But you don't. You have no coherent ideology, let alone work in an organisation capable of replacing the current government, when the time comes that isn't thoroughly compromised by imperialist forces. You're just a liberal who believes in Hollywood-movie logic; "kill bad guy, world more gooder."
>Muh rigged electionNo evidence. Most of the world also recognised the election as legit. It is only the West, who have openly declared their intent to overthrow Venezuela, that claim otherwise.
>>2645967That's what I've been saying
>>2645838 >>2646291Sorry for not speaking /leftypol/ standard English and communicating what I said in the clearest way that you would have misinterpreted because you're not arguing in good faith anyway. This is tiring dude. Kill yourself.
>>2646293Would you feel comfortable airing out this point of view in public? Please do so.
>>2646296It was Hamas numbers clearly, and all the videos are AI or using dolls. Kill yourself.
>>2646299This will be my hottest take and I'll leave after this because I have more important things to do than argue with useless people online who won't 'defend' Venezuela except on the internet and who call for Maduro to be freed after the government got cucked into releasing political prisoners.
The government being overthrown wouldn't make much of a difference because neoliberalism has already been implemented slowly through energy sector privatizations for starters, and the debt being paid diligently. If anything, a comprador government won't continue the excessive levels of police and military corruption that exist currently, EVEN if they're still going to be corrupt as fuck. Life could hardly be worse than it is because although scarcity is not happening anymore, the coin is still getting devalued, food is still expensive as ever, public services including health haven't worked properly since years ago, and access to water, gas and energy has also been awful since years ago.
You're welcome to keep kvetching and seething about this as you mock and ignore police brutality from 'anti-imperialist' cops (lol) alla Calla Walsh, but the government is already cucked as it is, for all that's worth. Have a nice day.
I leave you a good meme I saved from here a few years ago which you guys could still learn from.
>>2646315>It was Hamas numbers clearly, and all the videos are AIthe only source posted itt is wikipedia citing rueters who cite an anonymous iranian official claiming the deaths are due to terrorism.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/about-2000-killed-iran-protests-official-says-2026-01-13/there is no citation for protesters being killed by the iranian state
>>2646315>Would you feel comfortable airing out this point of view in public? Please do so.Is this not a public forum? Do you disagree? Do you think communists killing fascists is equally as bad as fascists killing communists?
>>2646315It's not a language issue, you chose a specific framing of the supposed event as it "constructing a narrative" about you because you know the reality is literally fuck all happened.
>>2646315Aha! An anarshit it is!
>Life could hardly be worseDo you have open-air slave markets like "liberated" Libya?
Buddy, things can get way, WAY worse. And they will if you continue this idealistic idiocy.
>>2646284They really walked back from the brink.
>>2646269>Again, you support nothing less than the complete overthrow of the Bolivarian Revolution, which would result in the destruction of the country and millions deadI will refer you to your mulripolaroid friend
>>2646165<For god's sake it's called WAR, nobody ever said war was pretty or lacked casualties. Grow the fuck up. What's the point of "leftists" if they refuse to ever look at material conditions and the current state of things and conduct materialist analysis. Just call yourself a cool liberal and be done with it.
Democrats collectively sound more excited to bomb Iran than even the MAGAtards are
it's over for khamenei. he should launch everything and go out with a bang
>At first, that comment appeared as a throwaway, but then, he repeated it on a number of occasions, saying precisely that he understands that the killings in Iran are stopping, that there will be no executions in the course of the day.
>Now, he did not cite his sources for this information, but appeared to be fairly convinced of the information’s accuracy, and, if so, given the fact that he repeated the statement, it does appear to be a softening or a backing down from the very strong rhetoric that he’s been exercising.
>Given the fact that he’s continually threatened to do something if Iran goes ahead and executes arrested demonstrators.
>It does appear that he’s still mulling over various options; he’s been briefed by his national security council, but these statements we’ve just heard do indicate a potential cooling down of the situation and President Trump backing away from the precipice of imminent action, which he has been threatening.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/1/14/iran-protests-live-tehran-says-trump-encouraging-political-destabilisation Multipoltards smell
>>2646356actually posting is the strongest materialist force in the universe. if you post support for the
regime on a mongolian throat singing board you could derail the totally legit workers revolution
>>2646414So much of the globe has been integrated into the US Market, I'm not sure that's true.
protest over everyone went home
>>2646414straight up facts
>>2646414Capitalist development proceeds on a national basis, which means some nations are at the stage of development where they are imperialist and others are not.
>>2646424>which means some nations are at the stage of development where they are imperialistyes, like japan. though with the exception of China the imperialist countries are pretty much still the same ones from Lenins time
>>2646414Imperialism predates capitalism by thousands of years.
>>2646418The only way to prove me (
>>2646414 ) wrong and to prove anon (
>>2646134 ) right is to destroy America and demonstrate that imperialism disappears with America.
>So much of the globe has been integrated into the US Market, I'm not sure that's true.The key pillars of Lenin's analysis are not "integration into a given nations' market" but
<Concentration of production and capital<Fusion of bank capital and industrial capital<Export of capital<Formation of international monopolist alliances<Territorial division of the world among great powersAmerica is absolutely imperialist by these standards, and I would argue the most imperialist country, especially when you consider other things like sanctions, coups, embargoes, invasions, etc.
But to believe that imperialism, as an
international system of expliotation is dependent wholly upon the US's continued existence, is to underestimate the international nature of bourgeois dictatorship, and the international nature of proletarian struggle.
>>2646418Germany, Japan, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Korea are still massive imperialists in their own right and the three of those that are occupied by the US would inflate massively
>>2646057Disgusting nails
>>2646430Lenin:
>Colonial policy and imperialism existed before the latest stage of capitalism, and even before capitalism. Rome, founded on slavery, pursued a colonial policy and practised imperialism. But “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging, like the comparison: “Greater Rome and Greater Britain.” Even the capitalist colonial policy of previous stages of capitalism is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital. >>2646436Imperialism would not be weakened with the disappearance of America?
Bloodgasm go ape in the forests with your jungle bois
>>2646435All of them are tentacles of American imperialism you retard
It aint the 19th century anymore.
>>2646436I can't even tell what standpoint you are disagreeing from. Are you saying imperialism wouldn't be weakened but rather would be totally destroyed, or are you saying that imperialism wouldn't be weakened at all? I think both of those stances are incorrect. The destruction of America would objectively weaken but not destroy imperialism.
>>2646443on a side note I wish the founding Communist theoreticians had made up their own neologisms rather than use existing words with colloquial definitions. This has caused much confusion.
>>2646447Bloodgasm is a contrarian maoist retard who has the blood of nepalese and malagasy people on his hand
Explain to the class how America would "disappear", Timmy.
>>2646444>All of them are tentacles of American imperialism you retardUh huh. And if America disappeared they would be more independent to do their own regional 19th century style imperialism, hence the correct assertion:
imperialism would be weakened but not destroyed with America gone >>2646450So…. my second guess then?
>>2646451>Explain to the class how America would "disappear", Timmy.It wouldn't. I'm saying if it did imperialism would only be severely weakened rather than destroyed outright. America is only the primary target of anti-imperialist struggle, not the only one. Look at NATO for instance. NATO would remain imperialist even without its key American pillar.
>>2646444nice backwards logic there chief
>>2646456>this does not describe chinaYes it does, do you have evidence that China is inmune to the Falling Rate of Profit?
>>2646434>to prove me ( >>2646414 ) wrong and to prove anon ( >>2646134 ) right is to destroy America Were's the stakes for me?
>The key pillars of Lenin's analysisLenin's analysis derives from an era where there were multiple imperial states/alliances were in competition, the definition still applies but the same conclusions surely don't apply to a globe with a single imperialist hegemony
Porky here. I remain strong as long as you guys can't agree on anything. Thank you so much for your incompetence!
>>2646463>backwards logicSo Amerikan imperialist is an appendix of Dutch/Korean etc imperialism?
You are a retard.
You yanks purposefully ignore that the USA is the one great imperialist power of this world. You always have to deflect on others.
>>2646456You're right I shouldn't have called China imperialist, what I meant was China is competing for the same resources that the imperialists need to survive, mainly export markets and a sphere of influence to protect it, so as China rises the limited plunder the imperialists are fighting for becomes more of an issue
>>2646449imperialism wasn't really an existing word and the definition was still being developed at the time of lenins analysis. in short imperialism is not just "having an empire". you can be and empire, imperial, imperail-istic , or imperial-ist without being imperialism
>The suffix "-ism" forms abstract nouns indicating a practice, system, doctrine, belief, condition, or movement, it describes a systemic condition necessitated by capitalist development not a policy choice. the marxist definition is just the most comprehensive from a materialist perspective
>>2646464i didn't say that i said its not at the highest stage of development known as imperialism
>Lenin: Can one, however, deny that in the abstract a new phase of capitalism to follow imperialism, namely, a phase of ultra-imperialism, is "thinkable"? No. In the abstract one can think of such a phase. In practice, however, he who denies the sharp tasks of to-day in the name of dreams about soft tasks of the future becomes an opportunist. Theoretically it means to fail to base oneself on the developments now going on in real life, to detach oneself from them in the name of dreams. There is no doubt that the development is going in the direction of a single world trust that will swallow up all enterprises and all states without exception. But the development in this direction is proceeding under such stress, with such a tempo, with such contradictions, conflicts, and convulsions-not only economical, but also political, national, etc., etc.-that before a single world trust will be reached, before the respective national finance capitals will have formed a world union of "ultra-imperialism," imperialism will inevitably explode, capitalism will turn into its opposite.https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1917/imperial/intro.htm >>2646466the end of unipolarity weakens imperialism by returning it to a state of great power competition between blocs, but does not destroy it outright. How hard is this to understand? Every time I say this some will allege I am trying to "defend America." On the contrary, I say, destroy it, and see if imperialism ends. There's only one possible experiment that can be performed to validate your hypothesis.
>>2646473China literally engages in predatory capitalists practices.
>>2646477>On the contrary, I say, destroy it, and see if imperialism ends. There's only one possible experiment that can be performed to validate your hypothesis.Suits me.
>>2646480oh i forgot where the materialist analysis shows that predatory capitalists practices is imperialism. i guess my boss is doing an imperialism too
>imperialism is extraterritorial expansion driven by the falling rate of profit
China does this
>under conditions of stagnating monopoly domination where a high level of development results in technological saturation
Happens within China
>In a given territory that increases the organic composition of capital reducing the rate of return below profitable levels
This decribew China's economic practices inside the global south
>necessitating expansion to external territories.
Hence why China is the major trading partner of almost all the global south
Iran has closed its airspace to civilian aircraft.
>>2646487China doesn't forgive all of it's loans.
So can I have any arguments as to why this is qualitatively different to the Maidan or any other past color revolutions? Or only mom-fucking?
>>2646493I'm just pointing out that given the chance, the global south will pick China over America, for the same reason that a person will pick a low/zero interest loan over a high interest loan.
>>2646495The global south is also driven out of business by Chinese capitalists, capitalists backed up by the Chinese state
This is inperialism
>>2646494You want them to admit they're not fucking loving what's happening in Ukraine?
>>2646494The pannekoekist-bordigist unholy unhealthy synthesis is that Israel-Palestine is le inter imperialist conflict and that the Arak Soviet are achieving victory after victory in their heroic armed insurrection against the imperialist Ayatollah regime. It's all true. Incredible, really.
>>2646491On Flight Radar the central corridor between Iraq and iran is empty. Flights are diverting around.
>>2646497we need outperialism
>>2646500Seriously hoping they don't down one of their own civilian flights again
>Israel and Iran secretly reassured each other via Russia that they would not preemptively attack each other — Washington Post
Axisbros…
>>2646414I would just move on to bitching about France, then. The #2 imperialist.
>>2646502We would have it if we had the means to reach other planets
The Islamic Republic is good for one thing only and that is launching as many ballistic missiles as possible at Tel Aviv so FUCKING DO IT YOU STUPID ASS THEOCRATIC COMMUNIST HATING SCUM
Congratulations fellow leftists, another foreign nation destroyed and our own fascist government becomes stronger! Global class struggle!!!!
God grant me one wish and just spread a deadly disease among all white nations.
>>2646315>le Iran and le literal socialist state are the same thingGod you glow
The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Defense Force has been placed on maximum alert
>>2646516this. gosh that useless faggot of khamenei is going to die soon regardless and the whole IR will go belly up. time to go out with a bang (and target the gulf states SPECIALLY the uae as well)
>>2646493Why do you cucks believe in all the glowie propaganda, even when the glowies give up on their own propaganda?
pizza index is going off
https://www.pizzint.watchTwitter reports from Faytuks saying that jets are heard from locals over north iraq. Also reports of constant jets in northern Israel.
>>2646566Iraq hasn't closed their airspace or anything
waiter, I ordered a sizzle, why am I getting a nothingburger?
>>2646490lol got any examples or just assertions
>>2646580The central air corridor between Iraq and Iran was empty, but aircraft are starting to fly there again so its probably false alarm
imperialism is when trade
>>2646441>disappearance of AmericaCountries do not just "disappear". Capital does not just disappear. The big bourgeoise does not just disappear. The entire logic of this argument is built on nothing because multipolarist thought
is nothing.
>>2646447>Are you saying imperialism wouldn't be weakened but rather would be totally destroyed, or are you saying that imperialism wouldn't be weakened at all?Gauging imperialism as either "strong" or "weak" is completely flawed. Imperialism is imperialism, it is neither strong or weak but a part of the global capitalist system. That system is always shifting as it attempts to resolve the many contradictions it creates, so the thought experiment of if "x" country disappears then imperialism "weakens" runs contrary to the actual material state of the world; everything is shifting, everything is changing. Centers of capital shift, things just don't cease being instantly. The strength of global imperialism and global capitalism due to a metaphysical occurence is irrelevant because rather than just things happening out of thin air, things shift as contradictions are created and resolved (those perceived strengths and weaknesses included) constantly. This argument is entirely metaphysical and since it is used to justify the rational of multipolarism makes multipolarism entirely metaphysical. Only social revolution can resolutely impact the global capitalist system, it does not matter if capitalism is weak or strong in that epoch of history, just that it will happen, that is the only fact.
>Bloodgasm go ape in the forests with your jungle bois>who has the blood of nepalese and malagasy people on his handYou want the US to disappear in a puff of smoke yet you tangentially defend the puppets of US imperialism who keep the US as real as the sun and moon. Retarded.
US MILITARY HARDWARE MOVING TO THE MIDDLE EAST AMID TENSIONS WITH IRAN:
The U.S. is moving a carrier strike group from the South China Sea to the CENTCOM area of responsibility, a source with knowledge tells me @NewsNation
That will take a week or so to complete
>>2646542the mere existence of capital export does not constitute imperialism, but its preponderance and importance in the economy such that, as lenin says, the whole nation lives by "clipping coupons".
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch06.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch04.htmyou should try actually reading lenin if you are going to attempt to play this game
>>2646603Shit's gonna pop off beforehand. Iranians would be retarded to wait for the yanks to get their shit into place
>>2646602>Imperialism is imperialism, it is neither strong or weak but a part of the global capitalist system.Imperialism is a stage of capitalist development, which proceeds on a national basis. Countries that have not developed monopolies, as defined by a lack of market competition, as you say; within the global capitalist system, are not imperialist.
once Iran falls the PRC boutta be surrounded by USA bases on all sides. multipolarism was murdered in it's crib
>>2646623>Iranians would be retarded to wait for the yanks to get their shit into placesupreme leader khamenei can't be pressured into attacking first. that would be bad optics for the domestic audience. america has to attack first
jfc ban quote spammers
>>2646668yeah fuck reading theory just overthrow the
regime already stupid tankie authorititos
reading is for pseuds revolution is about the vibes
The problem isn't reading, it's trying to apply a direct application of quotes to circumstances that those quotes didn't apply to.
Ah they're resuming air traffic, it's a fizzle
>>2646668yeah just let us falsify marxism in peace jfc commie trolls
The position of the Iranian proletariat would be so very much improved when the state is balkanized into a dozen warring states, half of which being openly genocidal.
>>2646688JDPONDON declares: NO MORE EXECUTIONS
>>2646689i think living conditions would improve a lot if they had an american pipeline and the profits went to wall street
>>2646683it was a false alarm to test their reactions. but in the initial strike of the 12 day war did they close the airspace until after the first attack? i cant remember
>>2646702The 12 day war consisted of limited missile and drone strikes, not pre-emptive airspace closures and carrier redeployments.
The US is pivoting into the region following evacuations and Israeli warnings to its own army for major ground escalations.
>>2646637the world is 'exhausted' while africa remains untouched? imperial core suburb take
is ryan grim a tankie? drop site news says there is no evidence of the regime killing protesters. did he suport the dictator assad too?
>The US military is deploying an aircraft carrier to the Middle East from the South China Sea, according to a source familiar with the matter - Al Arabiya
woke leftcom arithmetic be like 1 + 1 = interimperialist
SCREENCAP THIS OFFICIAL KING LEAR PREDICTION
Trump will not launch a serious Air Campaign against Iran (he may launch some phony “Airstrikes” against some empty buildings, and Iran will “Retaliate” against some empty buildings at a U$ base (The Obsolete Iranian Ballistic Missiles will all be shot down), with all of this being Stage-managed Kabuki Theatre just like the “12-Day War”, though Trumps latest comments seen at
>>2646688 show that he openly supports the Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah massacring the Workers and Oppressed Nations of Iran, so their may not even be Kabuki “Airstrikes”, 😂🤣🤢🤮!) because the Zionists want the Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah to remain in power, because the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” is a Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State Controlled Opposition that engages in a Kabuki Theatre Inter-Bourgeois conflict with the U$/Zionist State, with the Fake “12 Day War” being a classic example of this, especially the arranged Kabuki Theatre “Air Strikes” on the Fake “Nuclear” facilities, everything that happens between the U$/Zionist State and Iran (along with Hezbollah and Hamas) is Stage managed Inter-Bourgeois Kabuki Theatre designed to divide the Arab Nation on Sunni-Shia Sectarian lines (U$ military aid to the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” during the Iran-Iraq War as part of “Iran-Contra” in order to destroy Baathist Iraq which culminated in the 2003 U$ Invasion of Baathist Iraq to establish a Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Regime with Iranian support, the Syrian Civil War, the Yemeni Civil War, etc.), provide a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Palestine (the False Flag October 7th Attack), and brutalize the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the entire Middle East, especially those in Iran (ie. Hezbollah and the PMF slaughtering Leftist Workers in Iraq and Lebanon, the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” slaughtering Tens of Thousands of Communist Workers, including many attempts to Genocide the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan), 😂🤣🤢🤮!
This is why I can’t wait until the Controlled Opposition Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist “Islamic Republic of Iran” is overthrown in a Maoist PPW to create a Persian SSR which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan, in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (In both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first Map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2646768>jewish ssrThis alone tells me to disregard anything you day
What's with the rampant islamophobic crypto Zionist posters of the last couple of months? A year ago we'd get people calling for Hezbollah to take over Lebanon, people saying the Islamic Republic is no different than what the Soviet union was (a revolutionary state) and thus should be supported, people supporting hamas, etc'.
Why did the mood change here so much?
>>2646784old posters left. new ones came from twitter and reddit.
>>2646768You are a zionist with that Jewish SSR
>>2646784You only have a few old posters left. Sabo comes in every once a blue moon but posters like the old International Brigade anon who wrote essays during the Ukraine war in 2022 is gone and other posters like him are gone. So it is mostly rage baiters on leftypol nowadays
>>2646617Time moves in the forward direction. China only very recently started imperialism. Give more modern numbers.
Wages also don't work that way. Wages are primarily a consequence of class struggle and high investment in a region due to the town-country contradiction. It's far better to look at unemployment rates than wages.
>>2646617So, is China living off clipping coupons?
Would a post-israel/Zionist world look like?
>>2646784because those things were and are nothing but failures? reactionary ones too, at that
>>2646821Islamic revolution was a failure, sure. While USSR had support of the working class of the world even in the darkest moment, Iran is a pariah state even to muslim countries. There is more Saudi influence in post-Soviet countries than there is "islamic revolution" nonsense there. In fact, there is no islamic revolution ANYWHERE
>>2646890There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where nothing happens
>>2646768tell me about short hair under communism mr king!
>>2646916Based Iran take out Dubai too if you can
>>2646803>China only very recently started imperialismchina only very recently eliminated extreme poverty they arent even close to being fully developed. the study is from last year go ahead and read it
>>2646812i dont understand how you could possibly think that given the data
ugh
>>2646973I don't know what to think anymore
This could be a misdirection by Usrael and they will strike anyway
>>2646973idk why they do this every time. trump is going to set a date for talks and then hit them with an airstrike 2 hours before
>>2647006I think so too
They did the same last time
It's also how nasrallah was killed
Why don't they learn?
>>2646057i seriously cant believe real human 'beings' believe that 12k people have been killed in 4 days
>>2646688ACKSIS SISTERS….
CUCKRAN BROS….
WHY DO WE KILL OUR OWN WORKERS WHILE SUCKING GREAT SATAN COCK?
>>2646973what is iran even supposed to talk the us about?
>>2647057Shares it's experience in prole killing with ICE
Imagine the libcuck shahites who tattooed drumf on their mom's ass praying he will join the prole killing only for him to defend the theocracy kek
Im confused why are people simping for an islamic theocracy again?
>>2647078It's not a theocracy. It's a liberal democracy bourgeois shithole no different than your country.
Western leftists defend it because they're applying their petty bourgeois ideology to geopolitics so smaller imperialist power = good
Im confused why are people simping for an american imperialism again?
>>2647082but small states cant be imperail
empire is when big states eg ruzza
>>2647087very epic my good sir! carry on1!!
>>2647082>liberal democracy bourgeois No it aint.
mossad lost btw
>>2647082how is it imperialist?
>>2647096it is
>>2647126Its not a democracy nor is it liberal.
This is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2646664nationalism is an essential part of proletarian revolutionary struggle anyone who denies this isn't a marxist
>>2647133>not a liberal democracy>look inside>liberal institutions and democratic systemjust because religous institutions within liberal democracy trigger your redditor brain doesn't mean its not a lib democracy
>>2646664He's simply saying that because the nation state is the dominant polity under capitalism, the revolutionary struggle must be waged within nations as units. In other words worker's should seek seize power within their individual nation states before nationality can be abolished.
>>2647146no you dont understand things i dont like = hyperreactionary islamotheocratic fascismo authoritarissimo totalitariatism. at least america is a democracy bombing the mullahs would be an improvement. tankies just cant undetrsand that because they are bootlickers
>>2647133Iran is a bourgeois democracy. If you want to insist that it's not liberal because of its cultural conservatism then whatever but it's basic structure is that of a bourgeois republic.
>>2647149>>2647139are you guys sure anon told me that nations are bourgeois spooks and that communism is stateless. no war but class war and especially never national liberation war which is class collaboration and basically ᴉuᴉlossnW. this is what all true marxists believe (tankie campists arent marxists)
>>2647160was that anon bakunin
>>2647164umm no idk who that is. communism is when you smash the state thats what marx always said. if you have no state then theres no authority to have like guns and stuff so they cant tell people what to do anymore
you guys have to admit iran would be much better off if they overthrew the government. there wouldn't be anymore cops or soldiers and people wouldnt have to pray 5 times a day anmore or do homework and moral police choosing what you get to ware outside so you could have freedom of expression. thats why i support the workers uprising
Exodus status?
Leftards celebrating the massacre of an Iranian Soviet wasn't on my bingo card but it should've
>>2647184they could probably stay up after 11pm and eat ice cream whenever they want too!
yeah exactly. the dictator khamenei kind of reminds me of my dad very strict and mean. kinda like a religious version of stalin or hitler. I think thats why tankies like authoritarians so much its because they have daddy issues. its very freudian if you think about it lol
>>2647322He did the whole interview in English btw
>>2647184How do you know it is a 'worker's' uprising? It started as a shopkeeper's uprising. How do you know workers then joined and became the primary force?
Arak soviet status?
>>2647342i mean theres basically no other reason to support the totalitarian iranian regime except if ur a bootliker and fake commie nationalist "socialist". ur just mad because iran workers are actually abolishing the present state of things unlike u. real communists dont support nations. no war but class war
btw did the bordiga gang finally go to sleep because trump said he wasn't gonna invade?? lmao
>Iran: this protester is set for execution for being mossad
>US: don't do it our love is worth more
>Iran: ok nvm
Nice tacit way to admit the Mossad label is made up bs by the people's police state
>>2647369What is the logic of an execution anyway under the circumstances of what they are accusing Iran of? If they are just blatantly shooting down any kind of protester then what is the point of holding an official execution of a singular person if they are apparently killing thousands all the time with no regard. Does not make a whole lot of sense to me for them to claim these two things at the same time
I've been thinking after Iran lost the support of the petty bourgeoisie which brought the Ayatollah to power, is the only base left for the regime is the lumpen militias and clergy? That sounds unsustainable, no wonder they're employing foreign fighters.
>>2647420Caleb maupin is the Ayatollahs successor
>>2647420I know it's unpopular to say this but maybe the majority of the working class has supported (mayhe still supports?) The Islamic regime?
>>2647420>militias are lumpenReally?
>>2647429I wonder what the actual reality on the ground is.
People tend to have a very simplified view of reality when opposition is in modern times usually heavily influenced or even mostly constructed by the state itself. And one way to build a wholly impotent opposition that's a waste of oxygen is to make it center on petty bourgeois and labor aristocrats who have atrocious optics, that's what western "leftists" and fascists, Russian Israel-position, Iranian opposition are like. Petty bourgeois don't have the organization and the labor aristocrats are not revolutionary because their material conditions are still quite nice even if the politics make them grumble.
>>2647511squidward looking ah mf
>>2647520>it's another western leftists gatekeeping leftismThe left wing of capital is getting uppity again.
You're the useful idiots of the bourgeoisie, you have no relation to Marx or the real movement, Marxists can't but laugh at your illiteracy and brazen opportunism. This is not because you're 'fake' leftists, on the contrary, it is because you embody the same reformist spirit of the fathers of leftism, who Marx too despised.
Your idpol is additionally pathetic when we consider the fact that this general (and online in general) is filled with western leftists openly cheering for the murder of Iranian workers, mocking their struggle and any resemblance of resistance they put up (does this make you any more browner?). It is the communists from the region and the few in the west who are expressing unconditional solidarity with Iranian workers regardless of the reservations they hold in regards to the class character of the protests.
While you rush to the defense of the status quo by proclaiming that class struggle is dead 'for the "east" and "west" are bound to their respective monolithic natures' rendering revolution impossible, we maintain the material reality that the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.
>>2647563So can you tell us how these protests are different from what transpired in Ukraine, Syria, Libya or Hong Kong and what gives them proletarian character in contrast to those examples?
>>2645841So has iran collapsed yet
>>2645841So any updates on the Arak Soviet yet? How's the arming going?
>>2647586Just you wait, the Arak Soviet Republic will triumph, the Facebook boomers will reclaim Iran
>>2647577>So has iran collapsed yetNo since Amerika approves of Tehran
>>2647586>>2647593They Arak Soviet was turned into a mass grave by the IRGC
>>2647596Gone but not forgotten 😔✊
Support to Iran in their fight against Judeo-Anglo terrorist forces
>>2647605
How's the weather in Tel Aviv, Shlomo?
>>2647609The weather is nice around these parts this time of year though it is unbearable in summer (like 80% of the year), thanks for asking and you're welcome to visit ^^
>>2647605
Ziorat scum
>>2647612Sorry but IMF and war on terror supporters WILL die :)
>>2647614>I LOVE to see zionists kill their enemies We know ziorat
>don't make fun of my totally real Arak "soviet" or I'll tell you just what a filthy ziorat I am!! That'll show you!!
It sure did
>Soleimani Kebab refers to the famous, delicious grilled meats and kebabs from Sulaymaniyah (Slemani), a major city in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq
I had Soleimani Kebab last year, people claim southern Kebab is better because cattle in the north tend to have less tender meat (mountainous and all) but it was really good even though it was cold delivery food.
Not sure why people are upset by Soleimani Kebab
>>2646900Why doesn't someone shoot this down? All it takes is one missile.
>>2647160Its stateless, classless, and moneyless in fact
>>2646784Both positions are braindead. A communist must be islamophobic while fully supporting Iran's anti-American and anti-Zionist struggle.
Since libtards are claiming the protests fizzled, will the cucktollah end the blackout? I want to see if my extended family are still alive
>>2647641kill your rulers
>>2646784Because some communists have finally found this shithole. I'll intend to keep myself comfortable by shitting on your IMF-backed Islamists.
>>2647641The international brigades are on their way
as we speak to support the Arak soviet comrades who are arming themselves
as we speak but unfortunately the Omnipresent Stalinoids will betray the revolution
as always. We will then spend a few decades glazing the glorious what-could-have-been Arak Soviet, alonside CNT-FAI, Makhno, Korean Autonomous Zone etc etc. Damn Stalinoids.
Can someone post something, anything on wikipedia related to the arak soviet?
>>2647641We must support the allies of the Arak soviet, the generous proletarian states of the US and Israel. With their powers combined surely the victory of the Arak Soviet over the evil, authoritarian, bourgeois, liberal, islamofascist, theocratic, neoliberal regime of Iran is all but guaranteed
Is the Arak Soviet meme actually real
What is wrong with foreing bourgeoisie supporting iranian workers? Do you not know the concept of the class traitor, of the bourgeois class traitor? Need i remind you that it was the german bourgeois class traitor Helphand aka Parvus who helped the bolsheviks?
>proofs the Arak Soviet exists
Iranian communists said so
>proofs the Arak Soviet doesn't exist
Timmy said so
>>2647645Do you think they are creating an Arak republic right now during the revolution?
>>2647563>class-based analysis that equates western and nonwestern countries as far as the subject of opposition goes>this is the reply it getsPlease try to read what people actually say. Also,
>solidarity with Iranian workers>regardless of the reservations they hold in regards to the class character of the protestsHow does this compute in your head?
>we are in solidarity with the workers>that's why we support this non-worker protest>that isn't even led by communists>oh and ignore all the support they get from imperialist capital including the richest man on planet earth>>2646784I guess this place got demoted in the pipeline from being close to the end (that inherently means it was more of a hugbox) to being a dumping ground for children from reddit and twitter
Exodus status?
>>2647673Lmfao, it's almost too good
>>2647604>all power to this non-existing entitygulag
>>2647624
Germany vs. Turkey vs. Israel vs. Denmark (Greenland) vs. Ukraine vs. Hungary/Slovakia
NATO HASN'T BEEN SO MUCH UNITED SINCE WW2!!!!!!!!
>>2647624
So is this Gunther guy actually mentally retarded or what? Why is he making this content? Who is this for?
>>2647685He is having fun. He is shitposting. He is being a clown.
>>2647685you need to lurk more in /ukr/ newfag
>>2647686It's hard to tell, because all of his stuff looks like this, so I don't really get what he's clowning about
>>2647689/ukr/ is too decent of a thread to lurk much in. I've been aware of Gunther for a while, I just never bothered to look into him
>>2647685His name is fucking Günther. What did you expect?
>>2647748Llms mog 99.9% of "leftists" when it comes to marxist theory
>the tool designed to be agreeable agreed with me (socdem) so it must know theory
>>2647673A much harsher fate than that of the Romanovs.
>>2647748Why do LLMs always type like sassy opinionated western women? The PMC career types. I know its because this syntax is basically just End of History personified but with the amount of dumbasses online you'd think that at least some of them would type like drunk Indian uncles sexting people in facebook
>Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman worked to deter the US President Donald Trump from striking Iran and warned him against "grave consequences for the region", declared to the AFP a Saudi official on Thursday.
>The three Gulf countries "led intense diplomatic efforts at the last minute to convince President Trump to give Iran a chance to show its good intentions", declared this official under anonymity. "We continue communicating to consolidate the acquired trust and the current positive climate", he added.
Lol Qatar just doesn't wanna get smacked
>>2647664 (me)
Wouldn't you know it, the communist party of Iran also openly admits that the opposition benefits the Iranian leadership.
>>2647663>But the revolution does not confront only the Islamic Republic and its repression. Another danger threatening its advance and victory lies in efforts to steer political developments in Iran through deals from above—preserving the foundations of repression, dictatorship, religious authority and the state apparatus—whether through media manipulation, public opinion engineering, or direct and indirect intervention by foreign governments, so that they remain limited to merely the passing of power from the hands of one capital owners to another. In the presence of a revolution of this scale, such efforts are often presented in the name of the revolution itself, even as its supposed outcome. In reality, they serve the interests of the ruling regime and work against the revolution.I hope the communists win, but there is vanishingly little information about the topic. What even is an Arak council? Where is it, how big is it, what do they have at their disposal in terms of military and organization? What role do communists play in the broader protests? What role do monarchists and western glows play? These questions can't be handwaved with a simple "trust the people", especially when the circumstantial evidence points in a very bad direction.
But many "multipolaristas" go overboard with it, of course. These people call me a nafoid in /ukr/ regularly. Iran state media has just laughed at Maduro being captured so it would at least be very ironic if they got killed within a month, but that is not worth giving the United States a country of 80 million in a very strategic location.
>>2647768Nah, we're not gonna shoot ya, we've assigned professor Vijay Prashad here to explain why you can't deal with capitalism without also dealing with the patriarchy in the Global South, in a 20-part lecture over the next seven weeks! With endless options for new installments!!!!
>Nooooooooo!!!!!!!! Opportunism won, btw, as demonstrated by these threads.
>>2647796Lassalen opportunism or Islamist opportunism? You have to specify since both broke their backs bending over
>>2647799Im just baiting. I dont even know what opportunism is. Anyway, guys, why dont we all just read le icp theses?
Total bordigger theoretical confirmation and victory
>>2647821What does death toll matter?
>>2647821Still waiting on that juicy evidence tho…
Exodus status? Wont happen.
>>2647838>muh fascismWhy? What does it matter?
>>2647831You can't possibly be an ML and ask why death counts from cracking down on protest matters. Have you read about the last days of the Romanov dynasty? How a lot of the turning points revolved around some kind of mass casualty events in the streets, usually caused by one protest or another?
>>2647831Why are you asking me?
>>2647842I am not even a communist. What happened after bloody sunday?
>>2647842Bolsheviks didn't know what an ML is and they definitely weren't one.
>>2647848Actually they knew MLs, because MLs killed the bolsheviks
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 NEW: Various media now report that the U.S. called off an attack against Iran last minute yesterday, with the reason being unclear; planes were already up in the air, but a signal was given to stand down.
@Middle_East_Spectator
—❗️🇺🇸/🇮🇷 BREAKING: The U.S. has informed Iran that it no longer intends to attack – Al Jazeera
@Middle_East_Spectator
>>2647786We need to make sure Felix survives the revolution so he can be used as a torture method for prominent reactionaries. Just sentence them to be his roommate and be subjected to his raving.
ON THE DEATH TOLL
>Iran is claiming it's security forces suffered TWICE the casualties of the last protests yet killed only HALF the protesters
>HRANA operated in Iran for years before the government kicked them out
>the groups still maintains numerous links in Iran
>HRANA figures last protest matched the final stated government numbers
>Another prominent org based in Norway [IHR] reported a higher figure [3,428]
>the blackout continues to this hour
Let the cope commence
>>2647860Iran probably told the US they will fire a nuke at Isreal, bet.
The only thing Iran blew beside protesters heads is Trump's cock (again)
cucktollah outsucked the shahcel
>>2647909tbf, shahcels don't really have anything to offer at this point besides the promises and prospects that comes with backing them and the convenience of regime nostalgia with the Iranian diaspora.
>>2647860I wonder why theyre hesitating so much, my guess is that the situation is unclear/there may not be a guarantee that a toppling of the IR will result in a totally pro america and israel regime
They should be at maximum alert. Don't trust what trump says.
I would be okay with toppling the regime only on tge condition that a commie regime is installed, that would be fully anti-zionist and anti imperial. Otherwise less, the current regime is better.
LEAKED IRAN-US BACKCHANNELS
>so like your media is talking about regime change but like the people we are killing might reverse the IMF policies and spread their 'class' movement to the region, we even found a soviet up in this dawg
<u fr on gawd? u take care of the neighbourhood we will watch the sky long live the people's capitalism 🫡
>thx blud skibbidy we ballin now hail the status quo 🫶
>>2647944the only correct take
>>2647644>gusano familyStarting to come together
There is an unspoken aggerment between US and Iran to maintain the delicate balance of power in the region
Losing Islamist Iran pretty much means losing Iraq to a power vacuum
Losing Islamist Iran to communists is doomsday scenario for capital, the resource rich region is filled with unpopular regimes and immiserated workers. Iran and Iraq (the most susceptible for revolution) alone make up a quarter of the world oil supply.
Iran poses zero threat to western imperialism, in fact in places like Iraq and Lebanon it is the lever that is maintaining it. Decades of wheeling and dealing through backchannels have exposed this myth for what it is - a false dichotomy that sets the ideological framework for US and Iranian imperialism in the region
Does this mean they're in agreement on everything and Iran is secretly run by da juice? Of course not, that's conspiratorial and Kautskyist nonsense. They're united in so far as their class interests meet, mostly in suppressing workers and maintaining the status quo.
Will this last forever? Of course not, eventually a war would break due to capital's growing contradictions and the need to counter overproduction through destruction. But the region and the world broadly have yet to fall into designated camps for such war that will spark world war.
Don't fall into this false dichotomy, or prepare to be disappointed.
>>2647876Source?
>I made it up in a dream where it came to me >>2648093The people's islamist state propaganda al-jizzera
>>2648105>you might've wrote the most materialist analysis in the last decade of leftypol but have you considered: minor spelling mistake>?Me no inglesh
>>2648129might've written*
>>2648135I accepted your consation
>>2648107Post the sauce, bitch! That's all I'm asking; basic citation
ok, i'm calling this one. Iran won.
As i see it, the plan was to:
1. attack the currency when the Pezeshkian "reforms" kicked in to cause a drop in value that would create panic among the merchants and lead to street protest.
2. use the cover of unrest to activate the cia-mossad terror cells to turn protests violent and maximize chaos.
3. amplify the violence until "the protesters" could take over some cities and create a crisis situation
4. when the situation reached a tipping point, begin a US military strike campaign to push things over the edge and produce regime collapse.
The Iranians crushed this plan at step 3 by cutting off communications between the terrorists and their handlers in Israel and the West, leaving only the Elon terminals, which they could then easily track and use to hunt down and liquidate the terror cells.
I doubt there will even be a step 4 now because it has been rendered pointless. The regime isn't on the ropes and strikes will not push it over the edge. It will probably just rally the population more around the government like the 12-day war did. If there's any US military strikes they will probably be performative, a way for Trump to save face, and possibly even coordinated with the Iranians to be an off-ramp.
>>2648177Of course it won, its workers are in mass graves.
>>2648178I didn't know Iran ran class profiles on the protestors! Can you please show me the official class statistics?
>>2648179Victorious bourgeoisie = Dead workers
You're either with the trump-cuctollah ACKsis or the spooky.mossad proles that leftypol shit itself from
I chose the latter
>>2648197>or the spooky.mossad proles…and the liberal wing of iranian billionaires
>>2648186Unfortunately anons itt have confirmed the Arak Soviet is a mass grave now, the flame that burn twice as bright truly burns half as long it seems
>>2648178You mean the petit bourgeoisie
>>2648182Iran is not a state of class character. Its a broader state to defend its civilization from imperialist encroachment.
>>2647777the ultras who spam these statements never realize that they always say that people arent organized enough and call for mobilizing disciplined cadres and put up a bulwark against co-option. they always just take it as an endorsement for spontaneous adventurism when it doesn't say that
>>2647835at this point i think we can conclude absence of evidence as evidence of absence
>>2648281genuinely brain dead retard
>>2648177Holy shizophrenia. Youre probably also fighting daily battles in your head and always proclaims yourself victor.
>>2648072Probably best post ive seen itt
Iraqi militias have joined the Iranian regime’s crackdown, security sources say
Iraqi militiamen have crossed into Iran over the past weeks to help Tehran suppress ongoing protests, according to a European military source and an Iraqi security source familiar with the matter.
The Iraqi security source said nearly 5,000 fighters from powerful Iraqi militias entered Iran from two border crossings in southern Iraq: the Shaib border crossing in Maysan province and the Zurbatiya border crossing in Wasit province.
A European military source also confirmed to CNN that 800 Shiite fighters crossed from the Iraqi provinces of Diyala, Maysan and Basra, to help with the Iranian crackdown under the pretense of religious pilgrimages.
CNN has reached out to the Iraqi government and the Iranian embassy in London for comment.
According to a weekend statement by the Iraqi Observatory for Rights and Freedom, waves of Iran-backed Iraqi fighters have been entering Iran since violent protests erupted in the country nearly three weeks ago.
According to a European military assessment seen by CNN, they belong to armed groups loyal to Tehran – like Kataib Hezbollah, Harakat Hezbollah al-Nujaba, Kataib Sayyid al-Shuhada and the Badr Organization. These Iraqi militias operate within the umbrella group known as the Iraqi Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF).
According to the document, their presence has been reported in several sensitive areas in Iran, including in cities like Hamedan, where they have been involved in the crackdown on protests.
The use of non-Iranian fighters is another indication of the regime’s fragility and of its determination to hold firm despite the high human cost of the protests so far.
“The recourse to foreign militias falls under a clear security strategy: neutralizing any possibility of fraternization between the forces of repression and the demonstrators,” according to the assessment.
Update
>>2645884According even to official Iranian sources
>I SUPPORT LE IRANIAN COMMUNISTS
I don't. What gives those iranian communists legitimacy? Why should havkng a book club warrant support?
If they were communists deserving of the name, they'd already have a fighting revolutionary org supported by the masses.
Communist parties without mass support don't *deserve* support.
I am traveling to Israel to meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his team at this crucial time in the history of the Middle East.
The goal is to build on the historic opportunities created by President Trump’s unprecedented leadership, to stand up to evil, and to support the people who are sacrificing for freedom.
The Trump-Netanyahu alliance has thus far been one of the strongest partnerships in the history of the U.S.-Israel relationship, and I am hopeful it will pay dividends in the near future.
We live in a time of great consequence with the Middle East on the verge of previously unimaginable change. Standing together and following through on our commitments only makes us stronger.
- Lindsey Graham
https://xcancel.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/2011906620427501655#mUpdate
Fox News on military movement to the Middle East:
– At least one aircraft carrier en route
– U.S. military assets from air, land and sea expected to flow into the region in coming days & weeks
– Missile defense systems expected to be sent to protect Israel and US bases
The movements are part of what officials described as a process of "setting the force."
One well-placed source said if the president decides to carry out military action, "This will be different, more offensive
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-sending-military-assets-middle-east-trump-weighs-iran-strike-sources-sayUpdate
The Trump administration believes time is on its side, deciding if it should strike Iran as the US president “weaves” up and down an escalation ladder against the Islamic Republic, current and former US officials familiar with discussions on Iran in Washington and the region told Middle East Eye.
The current and former officials briefed on analyses provided to leadership told MEE that the Trump administration does not see the protests against the Islamic Republic dying out anytime soon.
Update
Inside the Fight to Keep Iran Online
Activists spent years preparing for a communications blackout in Iran, smuggling in Starlink satellite internet systems and making digital shutdowns harder for the authorities to enforce.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/technology/iran-online-starlink.html>>2648477 This sudden pacifism on the part of trump is a trick. Remember last time they were negotiating and thinking they made a breakthrough they spotted a moment of weakness to strike at the commanders.
What could the Iran do now, realistically? I think things started to get wrong for them when Israel started to escalate against Hezbollah and Iran/Hezbollah didn't respond appropriately to deter them, which ended up in the death of nasrallah, and the fall of Assad's regime. And eventually emboldened Israel to attack Iran itself. Domino effect.
Can the Iranians take fight back to Israel?
WHY IRAN DONT STRIKE FIRST, THE US AND ZION ARE ACTIVELY PREPARING AIR DEFENSE AND WILL NUKE IRAN VERY SOON
>>2648501Isn't this how qasem solemeini died?
>>2648504When you think of it, the June Israel Iran war started in the early hours of Friday, like now
>>2648501Watch the Iranians fall for it twice lmao
>>2648372>i was born yesterdayhappy belated
Long Live the Iranian Revolution — 2026
“Let justice roll down like waters…”
#TruthJusticeLove - Cornel West
Thoughts on this?
https://xcancel.com/CornelWest/status/2011457324280697309#mI have a cousin who works for IR intelligence and is currently personally carrying out enhanced interrogations on ziorats. I will be forwarding him this thread to check for IP addresses.
>>2648632>interrogations on zioratsWhat kind of ziorats? People they caught during the protests why they think might be mossad agents?
>>2646494>Iranians are too stupid to protest against an incompetent repressive regime overseeing a collapsing economy, the CIA and Mossad must be making them do itDo you pseuds even know that the whole notion of "colour revolutions" as understood by leftoids was made up by schizophrenic conspiracy theorists?
>>2648672What was your opinion of the maiden protest in Ukraine? Is that is the person you're responding to
>>2648674You don't need to ask me for opinions on specific protests, petit-bourgeois protests happen because the petit-bourgeois defend their class interests (shocker!), not because they're "brainwashed proletarians" or whatever.
>>2648419>support from "le masses"You mean proletarian support?
>Iranian group with bloody past winning over big-name Jewish backers- 2012 articleWASHINGTON – Three prominent Jewish activists – attorney Alan Dershowitz, former Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler, and Nobel laureate Elie Wiesel – have joined with other prominent people in a bid to remove a group with a blood-soaked history from the State Department’s list of foreign terrorist organizations.
The names on the growing list of influential U.S. advocates to remove the Mujahedin-e Khalq, or MEK – known in English as the National Council of Resistance of Iran – from the list suggest an effort to give the bid a pro-Israel imprimatur.
On the record, the people involved insist there is no Israel element to what they say is a humanitarian endeavor to remove the movement’s followers from danger.
“I don’t see any Israel issue at all,” Dershowitz said in an interview, instead casting it in terms of Hillel’s dictum, “If I am only for myself, who am I?”
Off the record, however, figures close to the campaign use another ancient Middle Eastern dictum to describe the involvement of supporters of Israel: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
A source close to the effort to bring pro-Israel voices into the initiative cited reports that Israel has allied with the MEK, which reportedly maintains agents in Iran and in the past has published details of Iran’s nuclear weapons program.
The organized pro-Israel community, however, has yet to sign on. One official at a pro-Israel group said pushing to remove MEK from the list without a full review could undercut efforts to keep groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah on the list.
“They’re listed as a terrorist group, and until the U.S. Government says otherwise, we’re not going to deal with them,” said the official, whose group otherwise counsels a tough posture against the Iranian regime.
The MEK, an Iranian exile group that some accuse of being a cult, has maintained a presence in Iraq since 1986, when Saddam Hussein welcomed it as a useful thorn in the side of his deadly enemy, Iran. From its border encampment, Camp Ashraf, it conducted operations against the Tehran theocracy. The MEK claims to have ended military activities in 2001.
Subsequent to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion that removed Saddam, Camp Ashraf disarmed as a condition of maintaining its presence in the country.
Now, in the wake of the U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, Ashraf’s 3,400 residents feel vulnerable to a hostile regime seen as closely allied with Iran. According to the Associated Press, an Iraqi army raid last year left 34 camp residents dead.
The United Nations wants to move the residents to a former U.S. Army base, Camp Liberty, but the MEK and its advocates say the site is equally insecure – and in severe disrepair and uninhabitable. Four hundred members of the group already have been relocated to Camp Liberty.
“The main issue is 3,400 civilians, without regard to what they may have done in the past,” Dershowitz said. “The United States made a promise to them.”
The effort is backed by an ideologically diverse group of prominent former government officials that includes U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.
In a column this week for the on-line newspaper The Huffington Post, Allan Gerson, a Washington attorney who served in various posts in the Reagan administration, cited Reinhold Niebuhr, the anti-totalitarian theologian, in asserting that the State Department has “lost its sense of humanity” in resisting moves to remove the group.
This week, Gerson and a number of other lawyers filed a request to a federal appeals court in Washington on behalf of the MEK, asking for the group to be removed from the terrorist list. In 2010, the court had ruled that the State Department must respond to the arguments in the MEK’s petition to be removed.
“Our focus is on reviewing the MEK’s FTO designation in accordance with the D.C. Circuit’s decision and applicable law,” Rhonda Shore, a State Department spokeswoman, said in a prepared statement. “At the conclusion of the department’s review, the decision will be made whether or not to grant the MEK’s petition to revoke the FTO designation.”
Advocates of removeing the MEK say it would facilitate the removal of the Ashraf residents to other countries, including the United States. At a conference on Saturday at Washington’s venerable Willard Hotel, speaker after speaker made the case for removal from the list. Giuliani noted that a number of European nations already had removed the group from their terrorist lists.
“I wrote a book on leadership, and one of the chapters says you have to stand up to bullies because if you don’t stand up to bullies, you encourage them and they take advantage of you,” Giuliani said. “Best example of that, of course, was the lead-up to the Second World War, [British Prime Minister Neville] Chamberlain and [German Chancellor Adolf] Hitler. We are reproducing history yet again.”
Speakers at the conference, organized by an advocacy group called Near East Policy Research, emphasized what they said was the inhumanity of keeping the Ashraf residents in danger. They also used the occasion to call for an end to the Iranian regime.
“It’s time for President [Barack] Obama to become Ronald Reagan and to look [Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad] straight in the eye and call them what they are, an evil empire,” Giuliani said. “To do what Ronald Reagan did and point missiles at their city.”
Dershowitz, who announced at the conference that Cotler and Wiesel had joined the effort, said the crisis of the MEK followers stranded in Iraq was “part of a larger problem.” Dershowitz accused the Obama administration of “talking with two voices on Iran itself.”
Wiesel and Cotler did not return calls seeking comment by press time.
Opponents of removal point to MEK’s bloody past. Prior to the Islamic Revolution, the group, which had Marxist tendencies, is believed to have been behind a number of attacks on U.S. figures working with the regime of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi. Then in 1981, the MEK is believed to have been behind two massive bomb attacks that killed dozens in the theocracy’s leadership.
Last year, Elizabeth Rubin, a New York Times Magazine contributor who reported from Camp Ashraf, wrote an opinion article criticizing the MEK’s advocates in the United States and calling the group “a totalitarian cult that will come back to haunt us.” She cited a RAND Corp. study’s suggestion that many of those at Camp Ashraf were being held there by the MEK against their will.
Opponents of removing the MEK from the terrorist list also say that the group’s alliance with the hated Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, during the Iran-Iraq War, means its support is virtually nil among Iranians.
“Iranians by and large have no love for this regime,” said Jamal Abdi, policy director for the National Iranian American Council, a group that favors diplomatic outreach as a means of defusing tensions with Iran. “The one group they despise more is the MEK, and the one group that can unite people in the regime’s favor is the MEK, so what the government of Iran has done is label all opponents as affiliated with MEK.”
Removing the MEK from the terrorist would play into that narrative, he said, and “undermines support” for democracy groups in Iran.
https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/iranian-group-with-bloody-past-winning-over-big-name-jewish-backers-2/ >>2647801>love the idf >hate brown people>never read marxthats about it
>>2648681proles are out marching in pro-islamic republic demonstrations…
>>2648389Dead Iraqi mercenary = Victory for the international working class
Zionism is the highest stage of imperialism
I see a young blind worker pushing a cart in the streets to feed his family, I arrive at traffic to barefooted children begging, they're so numerous that the police don't bother to chase them off anymore, I reach work to see a worker still in uniform sleeping on the cold pavement minutes before the scorching sun reach him, some days my co-worker doesn't have enough money to return home if I don't spare her some she remain stuck waiting for her mom to pick her, she quit work and married eventually.
I see all this daily violence and contemplate the powers that perpetuate it, from the American soldier securing the green zone to the Iranian militiaman breaking up a strike, endless multinationals from Beijing to Washington are invested in funding it. All the competing powers are united in maintaining this order over our necks. Then I think of my supposed class allies in places like this who think this is all worth it.
>>2648770Made me shed a tear.
Trump, bomb away!
This interview of Ayatollah Khomeini by Oriana Fallaci, after the Islamic Republic has started suppressing leftists and *just* before the hostage crisis, is one of the most jaw-dropping acts of journalism ever — for the frankness of both parties alone
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/07/archives/an-interview-with-khomeini.htmlCheck it out
>>2648815Who gives a fuck about "leftists"?
Is there an organized revolutionary communist party in iran right now? No? Well then bothsiders can fuck off
>>2648858No sympathy to losers, should have lenin'd harder
>Is there an organized revolutionary communist party in iran right now
Yes, Timmy. Not everyone is a smelly incel afraid from the sun like you.
>Letter of Imam Khomeini,The Great Leader of the Islamic Revolution and Founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran,
.To President Mikhail Gorbachev, Leader of the Soviet Union
>In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the MercifulYour Excellency Mr. Gorbachev1, Chairman of the Presidium of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
With due wishes for the happiness and prosperity of Your Excellency and the people of the Soviet Union.
Since your assumption of office there has been the impression that Your Excellency, in analyzing world political events, particularly those pertaining to the Soviet Union, have found yourself in a new era of reassessment, change, and confrontation; and your boldness and initiative in dealing with the realities of the world is quite likely to bring about changes that would result in upsetting the equations of power dominating the world. I have therefore found it necessary to bring certain matters to your attention.
Even if your new approach and decisions are merely used as a means to overcome the party crisis, and to solve some of the problems confronting your people, your courage in reappraising a school of thought that has for decades enchained the revolutionary youth of the world behind its iron curtain is indeed worthy of praise. If, however, you are considering taking a further step forward, the first thing that will ensure your success is that you re-evaluate your predecessors’ policy of obliterating God and religion from society2, a policy that has no doubt given the heaviest blow to the Soviet people. Rest assured that this is the only way whereby world problems can be dealt with realistically.
Viewing Islam as a remnant of the pre-socialist stage, Marxists took two major approaches to confront it: to wipe out Islam as an alien element from the scene of public life by openly challenging it, and to assimilate Islam into Russian society by Russianizing Muslims. Stalin, the most notorious of all communist leaders, persecuted Muslims on a large scale by banishing certain Muslim peoples collectively to Siberia and Asia Minor. The astonishing number of Russian anti- religious publications distributed in Islamic countries is part of the Soviet government’s universal struggle against Islam. The occupation of Afghanistan was the Soviet Union’s last attempt to penetrate the Islamic world.
Of course it is possible that as a result of wrong economic policies of former communist authorities, the Western world, an illusory heaven, will appear to be fascinating; but the truth lies elsewhere. If you hope, at this juncture, to cut the economic Gordian knots of socialism and communism by appealing to the center of Western capitalism, you will, far from remedying any ill of your society, commit a mistake which those to come will have to erase. For, if Marxism has come to a deadlock in its social and economic policies, capitalism has also bogged down, in this as well as in other respects though in a different form.
Mr. Gorbachev,
Reality must be faced. The main problem confronting your country is not one of private ownership, freedom and economy; your problem is the absence of true faith in God, the very problem that has dragged, or will drag, the West to vulgarism and an impasse. Your main problem is the prolonged and futile war you have waged against God, the source of existence and creation.
Mr. Gorbachev,
It is clear to everybody that from now on communism will only have to be found in the museums of world political history, for Marxism cannot meet any of the real needs of mankind. Marxism is a materialistic ideology and materialism cannot bring humanity out of the crisis caused by a lack of belief in spirituality—the prime affliction of the human society in the East and the West alike.
Mr. Gorbachev,
You may have not in theory turned your back on certain aspects of Marxism—and may continue to profess your heartfelt loyalty to it in interviews—but you know that, in practice, the reality is not so. The leader of China3 struck the first blow to communism and you have
struck the second and, apparently, final blow. Today we have no such thing as communism in the world.
I earnestly call on you, however, not to get trapped, while tearing down the walls of Marxist illusions, in the prison of the West and the Great Satan.4 I hope you will attain the honor of removing the decayed layers of 70-year communist aberration from the face of history and of your country. Today those allies of yours that are genuinely concerned about their homelands and people are no longer willing to sacrifice their subterranean and surface resources to keep alive the myth of the success of communism—an ideology whose din of collapse has already reached the ears of their children.
Mr. Gorbachev,
When after 70 years the call, “Allah is Great” and the testimony to the prophethood of the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his posterity) were heard from the minarets of the mosques in some of your Republics, all the followers of the pure Muhammadan Islam were moved to tears out of ecstasy.
Therefore, I have found it necessary to remind you to reflect once again on the materialistic and theistic worldviews. Materialists consider sense to be the sole criterion of knowledge and are of the opinion that whatever cannot be known through the senses falls outside the realm of knowledge. They identify existence with matter and consider as nonexistent anything that has no material body. Inevitably, they regard the world of the unseen—God Almighty, Divine Revelation, Prophethood, and the Resurrection—as mere fiction.
On the other hand, theists consider both sense and reason to be the criteria of knowledge, and maintain that whatever can be known through reason lies within the realm of knowledge, although it is not perceptible. To theists, therefore, existence is inclusive of both the unseen and the manifest. For a thing to exist it is not necessary to have a material body. In the same way that a material thing depends on an incorporeal thing,5 sensory perception is dependent on rational perception.6
The Holy Qur’an reprobates the fundamentals of materialistic thought and, addressing those who say:
“We shall never believe in thee until we see God manifestly,”7
proclaims:
“Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends all vision; and He is the Knower of subtleties, the Aware.”8
I should not like to present here Qur’anic arguments concerning Divine Revelation, Prophethood and the Resurrection which from your point of view are debatable. In fact, I do not wish to entangle you in the twists and turns of philosophical arguments, particularly those of Islamic philosophy. I will content myself by presenting one or two simple, intuitive examples of which even politicians can avail themselves.
It is self-evident that matter, whatever its nature, has no awareness of self. Consider a stone statue: each side is ignorant of the other side. Whereas human beings and animals clearly observe and are aware of their surroundings. They know where they are and are aware of what goes on around them. There must be, then, an element in men and animals that transcends matter and is separate from it, living beyond the life of matter.
Intrinsically, man seeks to attain absolute perfection. He strives, as you well know, for absolute power over the world; he is not attached to any power that is defective. If he has the entire world at his command, he naturally feels inclined to have command of another world once he is informed of its existence. No matter how learned a person may be if he learns of some other branch of knowledge, he naturally feels inclined to attain mastery of that branch of knowledge as well.
Therefore, there must be some Absolute Power and Absolute Knowledge to which man is attached. It is God we all seek although we may not be aware of it. Man strives to attain Absolute Truth, so that he may be annihilated in God. Basically, the desire for eternal life that is inherent in every individual is proof of the existence of an Eternal World to which destruction cannot find its way.
Should Your Excellency desire further information on these matters, you may command those scholars of yours who are well-versed in this field to study, in addition to the works of Western philosophers, the writings of Peripatetic philosophers9, al-Farabi10 and Avicenna,11
peace be upon them. It will then become clear that the law of causation on which all knowledge depends is a rational, not sensible law. Likewise, perception of general laws and concepts on which all reasoning rests is reached not by means of sensory experience but through rational argument.12 Your scholars may further refer to the Ishraqi13 theosophy of Suhrawardi,14 and explain to you that the flesh, as well as any other material thing, is in need of Pure Light which has no material entity, that man’s witnessing of his own truth does not take place by means of any sense organ.15 You may also have the scholars familiarize themselves with Transcendental philosophy16 of Mulla Sadra 17(may Allah be pleased with him and resurrect him with the prophets and the pious), so that it may become clear that the nature of knowledge is different from the nature of matter and that intellect, far removed from matter, cannot be restricted by the laws governing matter.
I won’t tire you further by mentioning the works of mystics, in particular Muhyi’d-Din ibn al-‘Arabi.18 If you wish to make yourself acquainted with the doctrines of this celebrated mystic, send a number of your brilliant scholars, who are well-versed in this field, to Qum19 so that, by reliance on God, they may, after a couple of years, glimpse the depth of the delicate stages of gnosis,20 which will be impossible for them to acquire without making such a journey.
Mr. Gorbachev,
After mentioning these problems and preliminary points, let me call on you to study Islam earnestly, not because Islam and the Muslims may need you but because Islam has exalted universal values which can bring comfort and salvation to all nations and remove the basic problems of mankind. A true understanding of Islam may forever release you from the problem of Afghanistan21 and other similar involvements. We treat Muslims of the world as Muslims of our own country and will ever share in
By granting certain liberties to some of your Republics in matters pertaining to religious practices, you have shown that you no longer consider religion as the “opium of the people.”22 Indeed, how can Islam be the opium of the people—the religion that has made Iranians as firm as a mountain against superpowers? Is the religion that seeks the administration of justice in the world and man’s freedom from material and spiritual shackles, the opium of the people? Only that religion is the opium of the people that causes the material and spiritual resources of Islamic and non-Islamic countries to pass into the clutches of super and lesser powers and that preaches that religion is separate from politics. This, however, cannot be called a true religion; it is what our people call “an American religion.”
In conclusion, I declare outright that the Islamic Republic of Iran as the greatest and most powerful base of the Islamic world can easily fill the vacuum of religious faith in your society. In any case, our country, as in the past, honors good neighborhood and bilateral relations.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.23
Ruhullah al-Musawi al-Khomeini
67/10/11 AHS
[January 1, 1989]
https://al-islam.org/call-divine-unity-letter-imam-khomeini-president-mikhail-gorbachev-sayyid-ruhullah-musawi-khomeini-1 >>2648860Then why are the proles marching for Khomeini and not for them
>>2648868Do you believe khamenei is a communist?
>>2648869No, I believe a book club with no prole base isn't a "communist party"
>>2648877Disgusting. I'm now dick cheney
Fuck ghem kids and their anticommunism
>>2648491>The cracks exposed in Iran’s internet shutdown were no accident. Since 2022, activists and civil society groups have worked on sneaking Starlink terminals into the country, aided by a U.S. government sanctions exemption for Starlink and American companies to offer communication tools in Iran.
>The State Department coordinated with SpaceX on the sanctions exemption for digital communication tools in Iran. It also provided support to civil society groups about how to hide the systems from government detection, according to a Biden administration official involved in the plans.
>The Iranian government was aware of Starlink’s growing presence, but did not do much to curtail the use until recently, said Doug Madory, an internet infrastructure expert.Countries needs to prepare tools to enforce internet sovereignty and protect themselves from outsider interference
>nooooo those pesky iranian workers are communicating with outside world don't they know nation states were made by allah so no point in internationalism
>>2648891Simply outskilled
>>2648896Mossad glowies and petty bourg gusanos aren't "workers"
>>2647821what does he mean by ask the pakistanis?
>>2648898this.
death to the IRGC
>we received billions worth of weapons and intel from the mossad :)
<just realpoltiKKK ultra
>we chanted death to islamists and imperialists
<DAAAAAAAAAAA MOSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
what causes this?
>>2645841Protesters? You mean zionist funded terrorists? The iranian gov should shoot these rats on sight
>>2648916>neither liberalism nor marxism>t. liberalyou just know the account owner is preaching to third positionist chinlets
>>2648916Nobody sucks his cock Moshe
I just stand for anything zionist scum dislikes and vice-versa, it's a simple life rule I've been following for awhile
mind broken by Big Jewish Cock
>>2648924I know but he obviously isn't writing the tweets
>>2648926They quotes from his lectures when he speaks. They dictate it for him
Israeli logistical support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988)
Israel sold Iran US$75 million worth of arms from stocks of Israel Military Industries, Israel Aircraft Industries and Israel Defense Forces stockpiles, in their Operation Seashell in 1981.[37] Material included 150 M-40 antitank guns with 24,000 shells for each gun, spare parts for tank and aircraft engines, 106 mm, 130 mm, 203 mm and 175 mm shells and TOW missiles. This material was transported first by air by Argentine airline Transporte Aéreo Rioplatense and then by ship. The same year Israel provided active military support against Iraq by destroying the Osirak nuclear reactor near Baghdad, which the Iranians themselves had previously targeted, but the doctrine established by the attack would increase potential conflict in future years.
Arms sales to Iran that totaled an estimated $500 million from 1981 to 1983 according to the Jafe Institute for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. Most of it was paid for by Iranian oil delivered to Israel. "According to Ahmad Haidari, "an Iranian arms dealer working for the Khomeini government, roughly 80% of the weaponry bought by Tehran" immediately after the onset of the war originated in Israel.[38
According to Mark Phythian, the fact "that the Iranian air force could function at all" after Iraq's initial attack and "was able to undertake a number of sorties over Baghdad and strike at strategic installations" was "at least partly due to the decision of the Reagan administration to allow Israel to channel arms of US origin to Iran to prevent an easy and early Iraqi victory".[39]
Despite all the speeches of Iranian leaders and the denunciation of Israel at Friday prayers, there were never less than around one hundred Israeli advisers and technicians in Iran at any time throughout the war, living in a carefully guarded and secluded camp just north of Tehran, where they remained even after the ceasefire.[40]
Israeli sales also included spare parts for U.S.-made F-4 Phantom jets.[41] Ariel Sharon believed it was important to "leave a small window open" to the possibility of good relations with Iran in the future.[42]
While the Commander-in-Chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Yahya Rahim Safavi, advocated for an Iranian invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban regime, Soleimani convinced Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei that a policy of "strategic patience" would be more fruitful. Soleimani instead tripled Iranian support for the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance and his Quds Force ran a secret training camp in Tajikistan for its fighters.[76]
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, senior U.S. State Department official Ryan Crocker flew to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats who were under the leadership of Soleimani with the purpose of collaborating to destroy the Taliban.[1] When the United States invaded Afghanistan in October 2001 after the September 11 attacks, Soleimani's Quds Force collaborated with U.S. forces and led the 2001 uprising in Herat against the Taliban, which included the Hazaras, Northern Alliance and Quds Force staging an uprising that liberated the city before U.S. forces came in.[77] This collaboration was instrumental in defining the targets of air bombing operations in Afghanistan
>Following the Gulf War the United States adopted a policy of sponsoring Iraqi dissidents to rely on in creating a post-Saddam order, many of whom were Shia Islamists who had lived in Iran and had direct ties with Tehran, which incentivized the Iranian government to aid the regime change efforts contrary to its public rhetoric.[6][5]
>Prior to the invasion, the U.S. assured Iran through backchannels that it would not be targeted next.[29] Iranian-trained militias such as the Badr Corps and members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps crossed the Iranian border in 2003 and took active part in the invasion, establishing communication with the coalition and pacifying the resistance in Basra and later aiding the counter-insurgency in Fallujah, Badr's Persian-speaking leader Hadi Al-Amiri served as an intermediary between the US occupiers and Tehran.[6][5][30] Iran-backed former opposition groups such as Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq and Islamic Dawa Party publicly supported the invasion and later took up senior roles in the newly established government.[6][5] The Wolf Brigade, an offshot of Badr notorious for its war crimes, led by a SCIRI official 'Abu Walid', fought alongside U.S.-led forces in Mosul. The growth of Iranian-backed Shia militias at this time and their increasing influence over local security services was ignored by the U.S. due to their effectiveness at fighting the Sunni-led insurgency despite fueling sectarian tensions.[7]
>Some Iranian officials including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Khatami and Mohsen Rezaee have mentioned Iran's cooperation with the U.S. in Iraq, lamenting its inclusion in the "axis of evil".[5]
The 2001 uprising in Herat was a coordinated insurrection and uprising in the Afghan city of Herat as part of the United States war in Afghanistan. The city was captured on November 12 by Northern Alliance forces as well as Special Forces of the United States, the United Kingdom[1] and Iran.[2][3
The U.S. Special Operations teams consisted of U.S. Army Rangers and Delta Force under the command of CENTCOM General Tommy Franks. Iranian forces consisted of agents of the Quds Force under the command of Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, commander of the IRGC, and Major General Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran's Quds Force.[3] The Northern Alliance faction consisted of over 5,000 militiamen under the command of Ismail Khan, a commander in the previous Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and former governor of Herat before the Taliban came into power in 1995.[citation needed]
UK Special Forces for reasons of national security remained anonymous and did not reveal their formal command structure.[4
The plan, organized by General Franks and General Safavi, was for Iranian Special Forces to discreetly enter the city and form an insurrection against the Taliban. This sudden event was to coincide with the entrance of Ismail Khan's band of Northern Alliance militia members into the city. Meanwhile, a team of U.S. Special Forces and CIA agents would oversee the operation in Tehran alongside Iranian military intelligence.[5]
Combat operations began on October 7, 2001. Towards the end of the month, U.S. air strikes hit targets in and around Herat, including tanks, communications facilities, and tunnel complexes.[6] This also includes the Herat airport, where Russian-made fighters were destroyed.[citation needed]
On 11 November 2001, U.S. Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha 554 ("Tiger 08") was inserted by helicopter near Herat.[7] As planned, Iranian commandos secretly entered Herat to begin the insurrection on November 12, which successfully gave way to what Ismail Khan claimed to be, the local uprising against the Taliban leaders. The Northern Alliance, Shi'ite Hazara factions, and a small group of U.S. Special Forces then entered the city.[5] Herati residents also took part in the uprising with sticks, knives, and guns hidden throughout the populace. The city fell as the Taliban fled towards the mountains along the Iranian border, leaving behind several abandoned tanks. Prisoners, including Chechen and Arab volunteers, were taken to undisclosed locations.[8]
The uprising was met with celebratory gunfire from residents. Iranian media even went as far as to report widespread celebration including 'dancing on the rooftops' and honking car horns.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat, Marc Rich, an Israeli-Swiss businessman with international ties, began doing business in Iran through his Glencore company headquartered in Switzerland. Rich ignored US and international sanctions on Iran and became the primary trader of Iranian oil for 15 years.[203] He claimed that the oil he bought from Iran was shipped to Israel and both countries were aware of this transaction.[204] Rich provided the Iranian government with weapons and missiles through the Iran–Iraq War
Rich was born in 1934 to a Jewish family in Antwerp, Belgium.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Richfollowing the overthrow of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, during the Iranian Revolution in 1979, Rich used his special relationship with Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution, to buy oil from Iran despite the American embargo. According to Forbes Magazine, Asadollah Asgaroladi was also the secret business partner of Rich in helping bypass U.S. sanctions against Iran after the Iranian revolution.[16] Iran would become Rich's most important supplier of crude oil for more than 15 years. Rich sold Iranian oil to Israel through a secret pipeline.[17][18][19] Due to his good relationship with Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini, Rich helped give Mossad's agents contacts in Iran.[20]
He popularised the use of letters of credit in the oil trade.[21][22]
Rich had made substantial donations to Israeli charitable foundations over the years, and many senior Israeli officials, such as Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert, argued on his behalf behind the scenes.[40] Many leading figures of the Jewish world such as Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), whose organization had received over $250,000 from Rich over the years also wrote to President Clinton for Rich's pardon.[41][42] Among other leading Jewish leaders writing to Clinton were Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel's former foreign minister; Michael Steinhardt, a philanthropist and CEO of Steinhardt Associates; and Rabbi Irving Greenberg, chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, which oversees the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Rich was a strong supporter of Israel throughout his life, having donated around $150 million to institutions such as the Israel Museum, Tel Aviv Museum, research centers, theaters, as well as numerous other documented causes over the years.[71]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_RichThis is an interimperialist conflict
>>2648956Thoughts on Assad?
>>2648962
I'm US imperialism and I support leftists supporting my interventions abroad.
>>2648969Are you Sunni Muslim
Arak soviet status?
>the pisslamist thinks the world resolve around his desert cult civil war
lol
>>2648976Careful he'll start allahuakbaring now
>>2648976If you are , i understand why you hate Iran thus much. It cannot be downplayed that Iran has played a decisive factor in escalating sectarian tension in the region.
HOWEVER. You can't even get India and China to be in the same page in the name of anti imperialism. The idea that Iran should provide "solidarity" for chauvinist regimes that persecuted Shias and openly talked about dismembering Iran in the name of anti imperial solidarity is completely pants on head retarded
>>2648982I genuinely feel sorry that liberalism has rotten you brain so much you can't comprehend what class struggle is
There are multiple anons spitroasting Iran for supporting western imperialism btw
>when you're so third worldist you revert back to supporting the war on terror
horse shit theory
>>2648985I know what class struggle is dumbass. What you're asking out of Iran is like asking a black man to show working class solidarity to Klansmen
>>2648877>communism advocates the sharing of all things – including wives and homosexuals.Shared homosexuals?
>>2648419The only parties who deserve our support are IRGC, Taliban, and Israel. If you disagree you are a wrecker and an ultra btw.
>>2649028>The only parties who deserve our support are IRGC, Taliban, and Israelbased and MLpilled
>>2649014Ya know… Free use bottoms
>>2648988Ask the kurds lmao
Has Iran collapsed yet
>>2649028Finally an honest to allah Stalinist
>>2649111Arak Soviet is still arming itself but will overthrow the Iranian government in roughly two weeks
>Has Iran collapsed yet
Not with the US on its side
Remember that no matter how bad the IR is, whatever will come after will be far worse
>>2648951no according to the icp it is le interimperialist conflict
>>2649133le inter-class conflict
Arak Soviet armaments status?
>>2649111When is it going to collapse Im TIRED of waitign
>>2645841((((((2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD WITH ESTIMATES REACHING QUADRUPLE THAT NUMBER)))))))
ATTENTION, PLEASE!
ANYONE who says that the protesters killed were "muh workers" are CONFIRMED shills!
The two main classes who had the most reason to protest were:
1) University students (not proletarian);
2) P-bourgs who want to see the market open up even at the cost of loss of sovereignty.
THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (DSA) FOR ALL SHILLS AND SHILL-ADJACENT IDIOTS!
YOU DON'T GET TO EVOKE "MUH WORKERS" WHEN YOU SERVE FOREIGN CAPITAL!
>>2649202>PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT (DSA*PSA
>>2649202>ignore Iranian communists and trust meNah
upcoming thread will have from the ground reports by the hekmatist party of Iran
The OP for the next thread is also terrible. Unconfirmed death toll sourced from a suspicious NGO and a one sided framing of the events. The OP needs to be neutral and cover both sides of the debate.
>>2649224Leftypol is a right wing Zionist website now, so it just reflects the userbase.
I hope some islamist counter-protesters died as well
>>2649224>one sided framing of the eventsYes. The communist side, as it should.
Four local communist orgs are given the spotlight in OP which beats posting al jizzera opinion libshit articles like other low effort threads
>>2649231>2 western NGOs, one based in VirginiaWhere is this source for an official government death toll? AFAIK it doesn't exist and it's sourced from reuters who cite supposed anonymous government officials.
>>2649237Iran's foreign minister said 300 dead half of whom are police which is laughable
>>2649239I don't think that's an accurate representation of the "300 dead" figure if i'm getting my source right.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/15/what-is-hrana-the-us-based-group-behind-irans-death-toll-figures>However, the Iranian government said these numbers have been exaggerated, and Iranian state TV reports put the figure at about 300.>Iran has not released an official death toll, but authorities stated this week that more than 100 members of the security forces have been killed in clashes with protesters. Opposition activists said the toll is much higher and includes more than 1,000 protesters.>“I certainly deny the numbers and figures they have said. It is an exaggeration, it is a misinformation campaign, only to find excuses, only to do another aggression against Iran,” Araghchi (foreign minister guy) said, adding that the number was being exaggerated to involve Trump in the conflict. >>2649255>that's not accurate representation>quotes a source saying the exact same thing?
>>2649260Well for one it doesn't state that it came from the FM and the other quote confirms my position that Iran hasn't put out an official death toll. Which is making me confused regarding the Iranian state TV report.
>>2649209Any ol retard can call themselves commu ists
"Listen to american communists!!!!” and it's hazcels, dsa maoists, patsocs and akkkadrmikkks
>>2649278
It takes me half an hour to check on all the local communist websites and update the OP accordingly. Sorry I don't go on off vibes like you do.
>>2649270I think I have a good guess of what's happening here. The 300 figure from state TV is not a final figure but an initial on-the-fly reporting or estimate. The government still has not produced an official death toll so if you're saying that they claim that that the total number of dead is 300 then that is incorrect.
>>2648915Islamoleftism, unironically. A lot of people in this board have abandoned any sort of independent proletariat position in favor of 'resisting' imperialism by calling for people on the streets to be killed because there is a possibility that there are foreign agents embedded (there always are).
Basically, for most of the retarded campists in this thread, the October revolution should not have happened because Russia was too unstable and in the middle of a war with another empire. These are the kinds of takes we'd have to read from morons here if they lived 110 years ago.
>>2650124>my infallible people's protestHere's a real mind twister to you: on every war's battlefield, it's workers who die, not the ruling classes. It's almost like parasites are dependent on workers installing them into power, or something
>>2649278
probably the same retard who puts "• this is /ISG/ for people who treats geopolitics like shitty map games' in /ukr/
>israel openly claiming they have agents on the ground arming sectarians and shooting civilians
>posters itt mocking it as a conspiracy
>>2649278
irakkki op doesn't want a better op to be made
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