2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD WITH ESTIMATES REACHING QUADRUPLE THAT NUMBERtactical placedholder thread - edeshen
Previous archived threads:
https://archive.ph/dDpTNhttps://archive.ph/5s7Ek>>2644990 (archive it when it's full)
Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/Joint statement of Worker-Communist Parties of Iraq and Kurdistan:
>The protests come amidst profound political transformations in the region and a clear decline in Iranian influence, which had expanded in recent years through militias and their allies, relying on funds looted from the working class and the welfare of the lranian masses. In the same vein, American imperialism, known for its bullying and unwavering support for fascist regimes, foremost among them the state of lsrael, is attempting to market itself as a defender of human rights and a supporter of the demands of the lranian masses, by brandishing the threat of blatant intervention, as recently occurred in Venezuela the two Communist Workers' Parties in Iraq and Kurdistan, while declaring their full solidarity and support for the just demands of the lranian working class and the masses yearning for freedom and dignity simultaneously warn against relying on American policies or allowing its intervention which plays a role in providing the lranian regime with pretexts to escalate its repression of the protesters.
>Any real change, any tangible improvement, and any victory for the protests in lran depends on maintaining their independence, separating their ranks from American imperialist policies, and preserving their class and popular unity.>Long live the working class of Iran>Long live the just demands of the Iranian people for freedom and equalityhttps://wp-iraq.com/الى-الامام-273Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR >>2645841>2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD!!!!!!11!!1!1 🤯Confirmed by whom? Where is the source and evidence?
Nothing good can come from this no matter who “wins”
Damn that sucks!
So i guess you are helping the iranian people by working hard on overthrowing the western regimes that imposed an economic blockade on them, right?
OP is a Pannekoekist retard
It all makes sense now
Arak Soviet status?
Arak Soviet armament status?
US and Israel are going to attempt decapitation strikes on Iranian leadership to try and collapse the country during the protests. I can feel it in me bones. Nothing good can come of this.
>>2645888Something good can come out of this tho, if Iran unloads its missile arsenal onto the zionist entity and the u.s. military bases
>>2645903The US just evacuated everyone from the big base in Qatar, next best thing is what? Saudi desalination plants?
Where is our radio operator anon when you need him?
>>2645906In the last war, the embassies were evacuated one or two days before the first strike.
Shit thread with sectarian OP and bait OP pic that has nothing to do with the happening that was made 100 posts before the bumplimit
Why do the mods allow this?
>>2645906Qatar and Saudi Arabia are Iranian allies wholesome thrid worldists
>>2645927>liberal still assmad from previous threadI do it because I'm one of the few informed on the topic and literate enough to write the format.
Simmer down retard
China is just going to let itself get completely surrounded and starved out because they’re not willing to counter the US in any capacity outside their immediate sphere
>>2645947Careful saying this, you're going to call on the hordes of chinaboos telling you to focus on dismantling American imperialism at home instead of saying anything critical about Israel's biggest trade partner.
>>2645945>I am le informed<zero useful links or information, only confirmation bias and slogansYou need to kill yourself.
>>2645927OP is even using unsourced that 2500< have been killed. This is literally turning into Iranian Tiananmen Square
>>2645960You retards are barely monolingual meanwhile I dive to the deepest of the internet and share what local communists are actually doing and saying >>> posting 5 links to the same al jizzera state propaganda slop article
>thread 03 not even full yet
>MUH SOURCEEE
Sorry you can't read the OP I'm not responsible for your lack of literacy
>>2645960If the retard swallowed the Arak Soviet meme, what do you expect
>>2645954What is wrong with focusing on dismantling American imperialism?
You leftcums are really just defenders of American hegemony
Hello I'm literate guy Mcgee and I can read the OP which says
>according to HRANA
which itself is based on local hospital reports
Thank God for the miracle of literacy
>>2645994When the only alternatives are other imperialisms you haven’t actually accomplished anything
>>2645998Arak Soviet literacy status?
>>2645999So American imperialism must not be opposed then?
There can’t be an Arak soviet because Arak is alcohol and communism means strict sobriety
>>2645972>I dive to the deepest of the internet and share what local communists are actually doing and sayingNo, you don't. You spam the same 5 or so images ad nauseam and seethe at everyone.
>>2646002If the alternative is Chinese and Russian imperialism instead of communism then nothing has changed
>>2646006Chinese and Russian imperialism is arguably better than american imperialism in this order:
China > Russia >>> USA
>>2646012Multi-polarity. Split Greenland in half
>>2646006But actual American imperialism is real and therefore much worse than your imagined chinese, russian (and presumably iranian) imperialism
>>2646006The purpose of multipolarity is to weaken imperialism by dividing it. This helps worker revolutions have a easier time
>>2646037>Wikipediangmi
>>2646044retarded
>>2646054how is it retarded when this has historically been the reason how socialist revolutions rose in the first place? Conflict between imperial powers that ended up destroying each other to the point socialist revolutions could succeed? russia, china, post ww2 colonial socialist movements, etc etc
>>2645924>TIMESTAMPS!!!! Otherwise you're a CIA/Mossad shill!!!!Yes.
You're still a silly gusano tho. Self-crit and fix your self-loathing, loser.
Western imperialism and Iranian Islamism are once again united against the working class
>>2646037>Iran saidOkay, show me where, the primary source if you will
The mullahs are antiimperialist reactionaries while le people are proimperialist revolutionaries. It is le dialectical
>>2646114Glowie senseless word spamming list:
>Working class>Proletariat>imperialismThose words aren't what you think they mean. Read a book
and then kill yourself!
>>2646122I'm reiterating what the Communist parties of Iraq and Kurdistan are saying
>>2645841Take meds before you die from exposure to Marxism
>>2646124Oh well if two "communist" parties (about a dozen or so wealthy diasporoids from Israeli proxies in a book club where they read more French pedophiles than they do Marx) said so I guess it MUST be true
>>2646112You should legitimately kill yourself. Last time I went to Venezuela I nearly got robbed by cops who searched my messages illegally and who tried to construct a narrative about me supposedly being a drug dealer.
If you think I should still swallow my pride and accept this because according to every other retard on this board you're supposed to still uphold the government letting its police do that and worse things constantly, again, pick up some rope and hang yourself from the ceiling.
>>2646130The WCPI is most active communist party in Iraq (it opposed the US invasion while the ML party supported it), Kurdistan and parts of Iran. You wouldn't know since you know nothing about the region or labor movements and aren't qualified to be having this conversation.
>>2646012There is only american imperialism.
>>2646131Too bad they didn't kill you for being a liberal, that's a failure on their part. I hope next time you go back they dont make the same mistake
>>2646135I'm literally a communist and pretty much agree with the general communist opinion from parties in Latin America regarding the illegitimate Venezuelan government AND the illegal invasion by the US.
>>2646136Fine. I hope you get robbed, raped and murdered by ICE when they see you on the streets.
>>2646133"Kurdistan" is not a real entity or ethnicity, just an artificial geographic polity invented by Israel in the 90's that by pure coincidence just so happens to balkanize a bunch of anti-imperialist countries WOW WHAT ARE THE ODDS. You still haven't proven by the way that this supposed "communist" party engages in class struggle or even exists beyond some polycule of westerners
>>2646142Xir… all states are fake
>>2646140You're not a communist, you're a leftist and it's a pity you weren't put down like a dog when you tried to smuggle drugs into your homeland
>>2646122Leftypol removed my name again, raaaahhh! 🤬
>>2646124I don't care what contrarian Kurds and Iraqis say, who clearly hate Iran more than they hate capitalism (due to braindead ethnic antagonisms). Claiming the Iranian government and Western imperialism are somehow equivalent in their harm against the local working class, is not only wrong, it's idiotic, because this "anti-campist" stance ends up only benefiting the imperialist side. Unless these self-proclaimed marxist groups apply marxism in practice, and do something apart from running interference for Western interests, I discard their opinions.
>But Iran is directly murdering proles right now!11!!!!!11! 😭Unless you can finally provide some proof of that, I want to hear none of that Western atrocity propaganda.
Kill yourself!
>>2646145Is this the best you can do? Go back to /pol/ faggot.
>>2646142I'm not a fan of Kurdish separatism but by far the biggest loser of a Kurdish state would be NATO member Turkey, and the Kurdish independence movement is older than Israel. The earliest Kurdish nationalists appeared in the 19th century, and the PKK directly fought Israel in the Lebanon War.
>polycule of westerners
You retards were begging me to translate it's newspaper from Arabic a thread ago
The cope is unreal
Things the islamic republic did
>support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
>fuel Israel during the intifada
>forcibly privatize the economy
>hand oil extraction to european monopolies
>kill millions of workers
>genocide Palestinians in Iraq
Things Iranian protesters did NOT do
>support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan
>fuel Israel during the intifada
>forcibly privatize the economy
>hand oil extraction to european monopolies
>kill millions of workers
>genocide Palestinians in Iraq
>>2646140>the illegitimate Venezuelan government AND the illegal invasion by the US.both-sides-bad is also the general opinion amongst left-libs in North America.
>>2646151Any retard can put their westoid sloptalk into google translate and come out with something that looks vaguely foreign, that doesn't prove shit
>muh genocideFor god's sake it's called WAR, nobody ever said war was pretty or lacked casualties. Grow the fuck up.
>>2646155So Iran deserves to be destroyed and her people whored out to the Yehud's slave markets because of some strategic geopolitical choices while it was under siege?
>>2646157Of course they conveniently do nothing except ineffectually dance in front of their gestapo while the imperial periphery gets slaughtered. Gazans BEGGED Americans to open up a second front and all they got was white western college students smoking crack in tents.
>>2646165Is that how you cope with the WCPI opposing the invasion of Iraq while the ML ICP was supporting it? lole
>>2646131>Waaaaahhh! Police searched me, and then let me free to go!>I nearly got robbed by cops who searched my messagesHow do you get "nearly" robbed by law enforcement??? Did you resist or run away during the process? If not, you're just trying really hard to describe an orderly (and justified) search as negatively as possible, despite the clear security threats Venezuala is facing right now. Increased security is normal under siege and would happen under any government dealing with the same conditions, including liberal regimes. Stop crying!
>>2646157So what? The 'uphold Maduro thought against the evil gusanos who voted against him' line is only defended exclusively by American and European leftists, and it's otherwise very unpopular among communists in LATAM, not just socdems.
The childish opposition to saying anything critical about Iran or Venezuela stems from a delusional belief that doing so will result in faster regime change, while upholding these countries dictatorships somehow will not alienate normal people, nevermind the diasporas or locals, who believe it or not, are sometimes open to changing their mind about supporting the cuck Shah or Maria Corina Machado.
>>2646173Funny, the actual MLs that were in government also opposed the invasion, but the western left slandered them as fascists and cheered when their president was executed
>>2646169>Gazans BEGGED Americans to open up a second front and all they got was white western college students smoking crack in tentsHamas and the PFLP actually put out a joint statement praising the international solidarity they received from people abroad. Why some people are so determined to shit on everything that they talk over the people they claim to be in favour of is beyond me.
>>2646174It's quite amusing that the official narrative is that Venezuela are state narco-terrorists, but anon is aligned with Trump against the Venezuelan state.. because he apparently experienced their hostility towards suspected drug dealers.
>Iranians workers want to prostitute the country!1
You mean the war-on-terror-supporting, IMF-enforcing, Israel-trading, multinational-owned Islamist Iran?
I hope they succeed
>>2646179>Funny, the actual MLs that were in governmentAnon, Iraq's Ba'athists were violently anti-comnunist and exterminated the Iraqi communist party after Saddam was installed in a CIA backed coup. There were no MLs in his government.
>>2646177>So what? You wanted to make a point that "Latin American Communists" take a both-sides-bad attitude, just pointing out that's a common opinion amongst non-Communists in North America as well. It's not a credential proving you're not a reactionary because the Venezuelan authorities invaded your individual freedom to not experience
almost being robbed and claiming that to be "constructing a narrative" against you like you're being cancelled on Xitter lmao
>>2646181Yeah, that irony wasn't lost on me. I agree with the other anons, if that gusano opposes the current Venezuelan government because police inconvenienced him once, they should have shot his liberal ass.
>>2646186>anti-communist<he deliberately conflates a purge of western-aligned leftists like Trots and Leftcoms with actual Marxist Leninists<he also deliberately ignores that Ba'athism is just Marxism Leninism applied to the material conditions of the Arabic peopleDoesn't it ever get tired being constantly proven wrong over and over?
Maybe it’s better to leave Iranian politics to Iranians
bro shouldn't have tried to take his ganja weed into the contry
>>2646194>Saddam didn't murder communistsOkay, then were are our fellow Iraqi comrades? I don't see any. Probably because they're fucking dead, idiot!
>>2646174Cops kept insisting that we should 'negotiate' after they searched my phone illegally (not sure why this is hard to get unless you're terminally retarded) and then found out I had 200 USD in cash. When I offered 20 dollars so they would leave me alone, they kept getting mad and playing good cop bad cop and insisting on 'negotiating' as they threatened to throw us in jail, until the post commander told them to let us go after the car driver spoke to him as they knew each other.
The sole basis around which they suspected that we were drug dealers was because of a group chat where the 'deep web' was previously discussed. But this is also something they do if they find memes mocking Maduro or Chavez, things totally worth robbing someone over apparently.
>>2646181>>2646190I see you're a bumbling retard like the other guy because I already denied this. In any case it's pointless to argue with you because you can always go back to calling me a suspected reactionary and defending an illegal search, even though you would clearly condemn this anywhere else.
Go back to the usual of calling every single communist party in the Middle East who says anything critical of the Cucktollah CIA shills now.
>>2646194>he deliberately conflates a purge of western-aligned leftists like Trots and LeftcomsThe Iraqi communist party were pro-Soviet MLs. They were not Trots or leftcoms.
>he also deliberately ignores that Ba'athism is just Marxism Leninism applied to the material conditions of the Arabic peopleNo it isn't. It's an explicitly anti-communist national bourgeois movement that offers "socialism" without proletarian dictatorship or class struggle which it openly denounces. It has its merits but you're just making yourself look ridiculous claiming things about Ba'athism that Ba'athists themselves would vehemently reject.
>>2646200The actual communists joined the Iraqi branch of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party. It's pretty simple.
>>2646203>Go back to the usual of calling every single communist party in the Middle East who says anything critical of the Cucktollah CIA shills now.lol okay, gusano, they probably would have shot you if your story wasn't complete bollocks.
>>2646206Were these the actual communists brought to power in the CIA backed coup that installed Saddam as president? Were they the ones that attacked Iran with American support and encouragement?
>>2646207You should go and try to cross the border yourself until they try to also extort you at some point in the way. But you're a chickenshit faggot saying this from behind a screen so you won't do shit. Kill yourself.
>>2646210So because Iran and Iraq waged war once they both deserve to be Zionist puppets? You're sick, but what else should I have expected from someone who voluntarily joined the SS? Maybe consider getting your own house in order before cheering on the rape and exploitation of the imperial periphery because its resistance to imperialism isn't perfect enough for you
>>2646203you write like a Liberal son
>>2646205Attempting to apply eastern european methods to the Arabic world is not Marxism Leninism, no matter whether or not you call yourself as such. A proper dialectical understanding of history and geopolitics shows that different nations and cultures are not interchangable and the advancement of the real movement in one nation can be very different from another halfway across the world. It's really quite simple, are you sure you're a communist? Wait that's a rhetorical question of course you're not
While you cunts are tugging each other off about nothing, shit's about to go down. Israel's opening up bomb shelters and flights are being cancelled left and right. Multiple aerial refuelers up atm as well.
>>2646214Reddit spacing is always a dead giveaway
>>2646213>So because Iran and Iraq waged war once they both deserve to be Zionist puppets? Have you ever tried responding to things people actually say instead of just arguing against things nobody said? If you want to imagine a totally different conversation than the one actually taking place you can do that. You can do it on your own in fact, since you don't need anybody else. Just talk to a mannequin or a brick wall or something, pretend they're saying things and then own them epic style. You don't need to involve us in it.
>>2646215>A proper dialectical understanding of history and geopolitics shows that different nations and cultures are not interchangable and the advancement of the real movement in one nation can be very different from another halfway across the world.True, but Ba'athists don't consider themselves communists, explicitly reject communist understandings of socialism and key communist concepts like class dictatorship and class struggle, and are openly hostile to communists. Go and find a dedicated Ba'athist and tell him he's actually a communist. See how well he reacts.
>>2646203Your story is incoherent. Did they leave you alone because you gave them 20 dollars or because the driver vouched for you?
>But this is also something they do if they find memes mocking Maduro or Chavez, things totally worth robbing someone over apparently.Yes. Actually, if you have such memes, you are a reactionary, deserving of gulag and beatings.
>illegal searchThat's your claim. More often than not people don't understand their own local laws. You probably know this, hence you didn't file a complaint against said police or even pull them to court.
That's the main reason I'm never visiting the Burgerreich again, because of all the shit police can do to you there legally, not to mention the illegal shit they do constantly also.
>>2646216holy shit a convoy of tankers just left al-udeid
>>2646224I didn't have time for that as I was visiting. They let me go because of the driver interceding.
It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vance in your country and there was outrage about it, but it's totally defensive here.
As I said to the other dude, consider crossing the border yourself until you get promptly stopped because you look like a foreigner then robbed by cops. You won't do it either because you're an irrelevant lowlife who only talks shit on the internet.
>>2646228>It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vance in your country and there was outrage about it, but it's totally defensive here.Surely the obvious difference there is that Venezuela is a country under siege and targeted for regime change, with the explicit aim of subjugating it and stealing its resources to benefit American corporations. You see the difference no?
End the sanctions, end the interference, let Iranians decide their fate
>>2646211>But you're a chickenshit faggot saying this from behind a screen so you won't do shit. Kill yourself.Very 4chan, what are you going to do next? Tell me you were at the top of your class when joining the Navy SEALs?
>>2646236Yeah yeah man a meme about Maduro is totally a threat to the regime. The more people with memes about him, the bigger chances it will fall. Also the more cops extort money from you under threat of jail (not an actual fine based on a law), the better.
>>2646241Tell you to commit suicide, again.
>>2646224The name disappearing is so random. It doesn't happen when I refresh the page or switch to another thread. It's just random BS
>>2646228I can't visit certain countries because my liberal regime bans it, that includes Venezuela among others. If I do anyway and I'm lucky, I may "only" land on a government list and be survailled harder. I don't need that in my life right now if I can help it.
I'd love to visit Russia, but that's impossible right now. So much for freedom in the West.
>I was almost robbedStill a silly description.
>You won't do it either because you're an irrelevant lowlife who only talks shit on the internet.What does that make you then? Have some bloody self-awareness, Christ!
In restrospect the cuck fascist mullahs leading Iran who refused to build atom bombs to not anger israel might have made a miscalculation there
>>2646243(Reactionary) political memes are a form of propaganda, agit prop, and therefore aren't harmless, you shitbrained moron!
Do you think any government at war would tolerate you making fun of the leader? Use your head for once.
>>2646244I'm a well adjusted person who visits this place while wasting time at work. The almost robbed part is because cops clearly wanted all the cash. And this has happened to more people who report even higher sums being extorted while emigrants coming back to visit also getting hit with that.
You could still visit regardless, just go to Colombia and go through Cúcuta or Maicao. Why do you have to fear getting put on a watchlist? :^)
>>2646250Why do you keep pretending to be a serious person when pretty much everything you've said in this and the previous thread would dissuade any normal person getting interested in Communism. You're a dredge, and I can clearly see you just want vengeance for some petty shit.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals Venezuela tourist group, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids whatsapp groups on Al-Quaeda narco-terrorism, and I have <survived> over 300 confirmed kills attempts at character assassination. I am trained in gorilla warfare communist organising and I’m the top sniper non-drug dealer in the entire US armed forces LATAM communist movement. You are nothing to me but just another target Venezuelan cop. I will wipe bitch you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth imageboard, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet trying to construct a narrative about me? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret LATAM Communist network of spies non-drug dealers across the USA Latin America and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your “life”. You’re fucking dead, kid Cucktollah CIA shill. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you tell you to kill yourself online in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat taxi driver charming, but I have access to the entire <insult> arsenal of the United States Marine Corps 4chan and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>2646243>Yeah yeah man a meme about Maduro is totally a threat to the regime.Not in and of itself, but having anti-Maduro memes is a sign that somebody is anti-Maduro, and if you're anti-Maduro there's a higher chance that they're sympathetic to the opposition and their foreign backers. Maybe what they did was a little heavy handed but it seems like it clearly stems from the siege conditions of the country.
>>2645967been saying this. there is no evidence that any of the people killed are even protestors
and then we have proof the statistics re published by the fucking CIA
>>2645901 which gets completely ignored
>>2645976but how will we get a bait OP if we wait for the thread to naturally end?
>>2646254Again, you support nothing less than the complete overthrow of the Bolivarian Revolution, which would result in the destruction of the country and millions dead, because of some alledged police misconduct?
You are scum.
Try helping to fix these issues, earnestly make Venezuela a better place despite the siege, instead of pissing away in some other country.
>I'm a well adjusted person >on /leftypol/Now, this is funny.
>Why do you have to fear getting put on a watchlist? :^)Oh, I don't know, because I want to have a fighting chance against rising fascism, and not be kidnapped at night in my sleep by some death squad raid, because they knew my details beforehand.
>>2646269Anon clearly isn't fearless of watchlists if he's against Venezuela because they "tired to construct a narrative" about him, he's talking like he got raped.
>Trump says he’s received word that ‘killing in Iran has stopped’
Speaking to reporters in the White House, Trump says he has received reliable information that “the killing in Iran is stopping, is stopped… and there’s no plan for executions.”
>“I’ve been told that on good authority,” Trump added. “We’ll find out about it. I’m sure if it happens, we’ll be very upset.”
>>2646133Hey im not sure if you know this but Iraq and Iran are different countries.
Hearing the news from the BBC that 400,000 Iranians have been killed in the last 48 hours
>>2646203>Cucktollah how much you wanna bet this is cucktin poster
>>2646275He got intimidated by those
big, brown policemen. For Crackers just being around non-whites already equals rape.
>>2646263Surely it does, but it's basically standard practice since a few years ago for the GNB to do this with impunity and other things during these searches. Despite the memes being 'reactionary', something I would dispute because you could easily run into this problem for a Maduro in Agartha meme, it doesn't mean whoever has them is coming on an infiltration mission to kill that dude.
>>2646269I do support it being overthrown, not through a foreign backed coup though. I know this will make you seethe, but whatever. The Venezuelan government has been illegitimate since it started disappearing and killing people years ago, and especially after the election fraud two years ago. It staying in power will not fix anything at all, and even if sanctions were lifted, we'd still have a dictatorship. It's a 'you made me hit you' situation, but leftistly.
I live in another country and don't plan on coming back because this can still happen, wages are shit and pretty much all public services are terrible and food is way more expensive.
> and not be kidnapped at night in my sleep by some death squad raid, because they knew my details beforehand.Funny, because that's what the FAES was famously doing 7 years ago and happened again after the election protests. Sounds more like an excuse from someone who won't leave the house.
>>2646275What would your ignorant ass know? People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time ago, at a far lesser frequency but it has happened.
You people act exactly like zionists casting doubt and minimizing every abuse Palestinians report.
>>2646288>What would your ignorant ass know? I know that complaining about "false narratives being built" is for rightoids on Xitter, not people who travel to the global south where drug trafficking and foreign infiltration is a problem.
>>2646228>It was only a while ago that tourists started getting detained for having memes about Vancesee the difference is that its good when communists do it. kind of like how it is good to kill fascists but bad to kill communists and self defense doesn't actually make you just as bad as a murderer
>People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time ago, at a far lesser frequency but it has happened.
Wait hoooooold on! Are you now claiming this was an attempted rape, like that was the motivation behind "constructing a narrative" against you?
>>2646269lol they are clearly an anarkiddie and not a even a leftcom ultra "communist"
>>2646288>especially after the election fraudproof? evidence? source?
>People have reported being sexually assaulted by cops and prison guards since a long time agowere they using viagra? did they throw gusano babies out of incubators?
is libya communisms yet?
>>2646288If you want to overthrow a government, you better have something to replace it with, otherwise only Western-backed compradors will take over, making life 10-times worse. But you don't. You have no coherent ideology, let alone work in an organisation capable of replacing the current government, when the time comes that isn't thoroughly compromised by imperialist forces. You're just a liberal who believes in Hollywood-movie logic; "kill bad guy, world more gooder."
>Muh rigged electionNo evidence. Most of the world also recognised the election as legit. It is only the West, who have openly declared their intent to overthrow Venezuela, that claim otherwise.
>>2645967That's what I've been saying
>>2645838 >>2646291Sorry for not speaking /leftypol/ standard English and communicating what I said in the clearest way that you would have misinterpreted because you're not arguing in good faith anyway. This is tiring dude. Kill yourself.
>>2646293Would you feel comfortable airing out this point of view in public? Please do so.
>>2646296It was Hamas numbers clearly, and all the videos are AI or using dolls. Kill yourself.
>>2646299This will be my hottest take and I'll leave after this because I have more important things to do than argue with useless people online who won't 'defend' Venezuela except on the internet and who call for Maduro to be freed after the government got cucked into releasing political prisoners.
The government being overthrown wouldn't make much of a difference because neoliberalism has already been implemented slowly through energy sector privatizations for starters, and the debt being paid diligently. If anything, a comprador government won't continue the excessive levels of police and military corruption that exist currently, EVEN if they're still going to be corrupt as fuck. Life could hardly be worse than it is because although scarcity is not happening anymore, the coin is still getting devalued, food is still expensive as ever, public services including health haven't worked properly since years ago, and access to water, gas and energy has also been awful since years ago.
You're welcome to keep kvetching and seething about this as you mock and ignore police brutality from 'anti-imperialist' cops (lol) alla Calla Walsh, but the government is already cucked as it is, for all that's worth. Have a nice day.
I leave you a good meme I saved from here a few years ago which you guys could still learn from.
>>2646315>It was Hamas numbers clearly, and all the videos are AIthe only source posted itt is wikipedia citing rueters who cite an anonymous iranian official claiming the deaths are due to terrorism.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/about-2000-killed-iran-protests-official-says-2026-01-13/there is no citation for protesters being killed by the iranian state
>>2646315>Would you feel comfortable airing out this point of view in public? Please do so.Is this not a public forum? Do you disagree? Do you think communists killing fascists is equally as bad as fascists killing communists?
>>2646315It's not a language issue, you chose a specific framing of the supposed event as it "constructing a narrative" about you because you know the reality is literally fuck all happened.
>>2646315Aha! An anarshit it is!
>Life could hardly be worseDo you have open-air slave markets like "liberated" Libya?
Buddy, things can get way, WAY worse. And they will if you continue this idealistic idiocy.
>>2646284They really walked back from the brink.
>>2646269>Again, you support nothing less than the complete overthrow of the Bolivarian Revolution, which would result in the destruction of the country and millions deadI will refer you to your mulripolaroid friend
>>2646165<For god's sake it's called WAR, nobody ever said war was pretty or lacked casualties. Grow the fuck up. What's the point of "leftists" if they refuse to ever look at material conditions and the current state of things and conduct materialist analysis. Just call yourself a cool liberal and be done with it.
Democrats collectively sound more excited to bomb Iran than even the MAGAtards are
it's over for khamenei. he should launch everything and go out with a bang
>At first, that comment appeared as a throwaway, but then, he repeated it on a number of occasions, saying precisely that he understands that the killings in Iran are stopping, that there will be no executions in the course of the day.
>Now, he did not cite his sources for this information, but appeared to be fairly convinced of the information’s accuracy, and, if so, given the fact that he repeated the statement, it does appear to be a softening or a backing down from the very strong rhetoric that he’s been exercising.
>Given the fact that he’s continually threatened to do something if Iran goes ahead and executes arrested demonstrators.
>It does appear that he’s still mulling over various options; he’s been briefed by his national security council, but these statements we’ve just heard do indicate a potential cooling down of the situation and President Trump backing away from the precipice of imminent action, which he has been threatening.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2026/1/14/iran-protests-live-tehran-says-trump-encouraging-political-destabilisation Multipoltards smell
>>2646356actually posting is the strongest materialist force in the universe. if you post support for the
regime on a mongolian throat singing board you could derail the totally legit workers revolution
>>2646414So much of the globe has been integrated into the US Market, I'm not sure that's true.
protest over everyone went home
>>2646414straight up facts
>>2646414Capitalist development proceeds on a national basis, which means some nations are at the stage of development where they are imperialist and others are not.
>>2646424>which means some nations are at the stage of development where they are imperialistyes, like japan. though with the exception of China the imperialist countries are pretty much still the same ones from Lenins time
>>2646414Imperialism predates capitalism by thousands of years.
>>2646418The only way to prove me (
>>2646414 ) wrong and to prove anon (
>>2646134 ) right is to destroy America and demonstrate that imperialism disappears with America.
>So much of the globe has been integrated into the US Market, I'm not sure that's true.The key pillars of Lenin's analysis are not "integration into a given nations' market" but
<Concentration of production and capital<Fusion of bank capital and industrial capital<Export of capital<Formation of international monopolist alliances<Territorial division of the world among great powersAmerica is absolutely imperialist by these standards, and I would argue the most imperialist country, especially when you consider other things like sanctions, coups, embargoes, invasions, etc.
But to believe that imperialism, as an
international system of expliotation is dependent wholly upon the US's continued existence, is to underestimate the international nature of bourgeois dictatorship, and the international nature of proletarian struggle.
>>2646418Germany, Japan, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Korea are still massive imperialists in their own right and the three of those that are occupied by the US would inflate massively
>>2646057Disgusting nails
>>2646430Lenin:
>Colonial policy and imperialism existed before the latest stage of capitalism, and even before capitalism. Rome, founded on slavery, pursued a colonial policy and practised imperialism. But “general” disquisitions on imperialism, which ignore, or put into the background, the fundamental difference between socio-economic formations, inevitably turn into the most vapid banality or bragging, like the comparison: “Greater Rome and Greater Britain.” Even the capitalist colonial policy of previous stages of capitalism is essentially different from the colonial policy of finance capital. >>2646436Imperialism would not be weakened with the disappearance of America?
Bloodgasm go ape in the forests with your jungle bois
>>2646435All of them are tentacles of American imperialism you retard
It aint the 19th century anymore.
>>2646436I can't even tell what standpoint you are disagreeing from. Are you saying imperialism wouldn't be weakened but rather would be totally destroyed, or are you saying that imperialism wouldn't be weakened at all? I think both of those stances are incorrect. The destruction of America would objectively weaken but not destroy imperialism.
>>2646443on a side note I wish the founding Communist theoreticians had made up their own neologisms rather than use existing words with colloquial definitions. This has caused much confusion.
>>2646447Bloodgasm is a contrarian maoist retard who has the blood of nepalese and malagasy people on his hand
Explain to the class how America would "disappear", Timmy.
>>2646444>All of them are tentacles of American imperialism you retardUh huh. And if America disappeared they would be more independent to do their own regional 19th century style imperialism, hence the correct assertion:
imperialism would be weakened but not destroyed with America gone >>2646450So…. my second guess then?
>>2646451>Explain to the class how America would "disappear", Timmy.It wouldn't. I'm saying if it did imperialism would only be severely weakened rather than destroyed outright. America is only the primary target of anti-imperialist struggle, not the only one. Look at NATO for instance. NATO would remain imperialist even without its key American pillar.
>>2646444nice backwards logic there chief
>>2646456>this does not describe chinaYes it does, do you have evidence that China is inmune to the Falling Rate of Profit?
>>2646434>to prove me ( >>2646414 ) wrong and to prove anon ( >>2646134 ) right is to destroy America Were's the stakes for me?
>The key pillars of Lenin's analysisLenin's analysis derives from an era where there were multiple imperial states/alliances were in competition, the definition still applies but the same conclusions surely don't apply to a globe with a single imperialist hegemony
Porky here. I remain strong as long as you guys can't agree on anything. Thank you so much for your incompetence!
>>2646463>backwards logicSo Amerikan imperialist is an appendix of Dutch/Korean etc imperialism?
You are a retard.
You yanks purposefully ignore that the USA is the one great imperialist power of this world. You always have to deflect on others.
>>2646456You're right I shouldn't have called China imperialist, what I meant was China is competing for the same resources that the imperialists need to survive, mainly export markets and a sphere of influence to protect it, so as China rises the limited plunder the imperialists are fighting for becomes more of an issue
>>2646449imperialism wasn't really an existing word and the definition was still being developed at the time of lenins analysis. in short imperialism is not just "having an empire". you can be and empire, imperial, imperail-istic , or imperial-ist without being imperialism
>The suffix "-ism" forms abstract nouns indicating a practice, system, doctrine, belief, condition, or movement, it describes a systemic condition necessitated by capitalist development not a policy choice. the marxist definition is just the most comprehensive from a materialist perspective
>>2646464i didn't say that i said its not at the highest stage of development known as imperialism
>Lenin: Can one, however, deny that in the abstract a new phase of capitalism to follow imperialism, namely, a phase of ultra-imperialism, is "thinkable"? No. In the abstract one can think of such a phase. In practice, however, he who denies the sharp tasks of to-day in the name of dreams about soft tasks of the future becomes an opportunist. Theoretically it means to fail to base oneself on the developments now going on in real life, to detach oneself from them in the name of dreams. There is no doubt that the development is going in the direction of a single world trust that will swallow up all enterprises and all states without exception. But the development in this direction is proceeding under such stress, with such a tempo, with such contradictions, conflicts, and convulsions-not only economical, but also political, national, etc., etc.-that before a single world trust will be reached, before the respective national finance capitals will have formed a world union of "ultra-imperialism," imperialism will inevitably explode, capitalism will turn into its opposite.https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1917/imperial/intro.htm >>2646466the end of unipolarity weakens imperialism by returning it to a state of great power competition between blocs, but does not destroy it outright. How hard is this to understand? Every time I say this some will allege I am trying to "defend America." On the contrary, I say, destroy it, and see if imperialism ends. There's only one possible experiment that can be performed to validate your hypothesis.
>>2646473China literally engages in predatory capitalists practices.
>>2646477>On the contrary, I say, destroy it, and see if imperialism ends. There's only one possible experiment that can be performed to validate your hypothesis.Suits me.
>>2646480oh i forgot where the materialist analysis shows that predatory capitalists practices is imperialism. i guess my boss is doing an imperialism too
>imperialism is extraterritorial expansion driven by the falling rate of profit
China does this
>under conditions of stagnating monopoly domination where a high level of development results in technological saturation
Happens within China
>In a given territory that increases the organic composition of capital reducing the rate of return below profitable levels
This decribew China's economic practices inside the global south
>necessitating expansion to external territories.
Hence why China is the major trading partner of almost all the global south
Iran has closed its airspace to civilian aircraft.
>>2646487China doesn't forgive all of it's loans.
So can I have any arguments as to why this is qualitatively different to the Maidan or any other past color revolutions? Or only mom-fucking?
>>2646493I'm just pointing out that given the chance, the global south will pick China over America, for the same reason that a person will pick a low/zero interest loan over a high interest loan.
>>2646495The global south is also driven out of business by Chinese capitalists, capitalists backed up by the Chinese state
This is inperialism
>>2646494You want them to admit they're not fucking loving what's happening in Ukraine?
>>2646494The pannekoekist-bordigist unholy unhealthy synthesis is that Israel-Palestine is le inter imperialist conflict and that the Arak Soviet are achieving victory after victory in their heroic armed insurrection against the imperialist Ayatollah regime. It's all true. Incredible, really.
>>2646491On Flight Radar the central corridor between Iraq and iran is empty. Flights are diverting around.
>>2646497we need outperialism
>>2646500Seriously hoping they don't down one of their own civilian flights again
>Israel and Iran secretly reassured each other via Russia that they would not preemptively attack each other — Washington Post
Axisbros…
>>2646414I would just move on to bitching about France, then. The #2 imperialist.
>>2646502We would have it if we had the means to reach other planets
The Islamic Republic is good for one thing only and that is launching as many ballistic missiles as possible at Tel Aviv so FUCKING DO IT YOU STUPID ASS THEOCRATIC COMMUNIST HATING SCUM
Congratulations fellow leftists, another foreign nation destroyed and our own fascist government becomes stronger! Global class struggle!!!!
God grant me one wish and just spread a deadly disease among all white nations.
>>2646315>le Iran and le literal socialist state are the same thingGod you glow
The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Defense Force has been placed on maximum alert
>>2646516this. gosh that useless faggot of khamenei is going to die soon regardless and the whole IR will go belly up. time to go out with a bang (and target the gulf states SPECIALLY the uae as well)
>>2646493Why do you cucks believe in all the glowie propaganda, even when the glowies give up on their own propaganda?
pizza index is going off
https://www.pizzint.watchTwitter reports from Faytuks saying that jets are heard from locals over north iraq. Also reports of constant jets in northern Israel.
>>2646566Iraq hasn't closed their airspace or anything
waiter, I ordered a sizzle, why am I getting a nothingburger?
>>2646490lol got any examples or just assertions
>>2646580The central air corridor between Iraq and Iran was empty, but aircraft are starting to fly there again so its probably false alarm
imperialism is when trade
>>2646441>disappearance of AmericaCountries do not just "disappear". Capital does not just disappear. The big bourgeoise does not just disappear. The entire logic of this argument is built on nothing because multipolarist thought
is nothing.
>>2646447>Are you saying imperialism wouldn't be weakened but rather would be totally destroyed, or are you saying that imperialism wouldn't be weakened at all?Gauging imperialism as either "strong" or "weak" is completely flawed. Imperialism is imperialism, it is neither strong or weak but a part of the global capitalist system. That system is always shifting as it attempts to resolve the many contradictions it creates, so the thought experiment of if "x" country disappears then imperialism "weakens" runs contrary to the actual material state of the world; everything is shifting, everything is changing. Centers of capital shift, things just don't cease being instantly. The strength of global imperialism and global capitalism due to a metaphysical occurence is irrelevant because rather than just things happening out of thin air, things shift as contradictions are created and resolved (those perceived strengths and weaknesses included) constantly. This argument is entirely metaphysical and since it is used to justify the rational of multipolarism makes multipolarism entirely metaphysical. Only social revolution can resolutely impact the global capitalist system, it does not matter if capitalism is weak or strong in that epoch of history, just that it will happen, that is the only fact.
>Bloodgasm go ape in the forests with your jungle bois>who has the blood of nepalese and malagasy people on his handYou want the US to disappear in a puff of smoke yet you tangentially defend the puppets of US imperialism who keep the US as real as the sun and moon. Retarded.
US MILITARY HARDWARE MOVING TO THE MIDDLE EAST AMID TENSIONS WITH IRAN:
The U.S. is moving a carrier strike group from the South China Sea to the CENTCOM area of responsibility, a source with knowledge tells me @NewsNation
That will take a week or so to complete
>>2646542the mere existence of capital export does not constitute imperialism, but its preponderance and importance in the economy such that, as lenin says, the whole nation lives by "clipping coupons".
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch06.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch04.htmyou should try actually reading lenin if you are going to attempt to play this game
>>2646603Shit's gonna pop off beforehand. Iranians would be retarded to wait for the yanks to get their shit into place
>>2646602>Imperialism is imperialism, it is neither strong or weak but a part of the global capitalist system.Imperialism is a stage of capitalist development, which proceeds on a national basis. Countries that have not developed monopolies, as defined by a lack of market competition, as you say; within the global capitalist system, are not imperialist.
once Iran falls the PRC boutta be surrounded by USA bases on all sides. multipolarism was murdered in it's crib
>>2646623>Iranians would be retarded to wait for the yanks to get their shit into placesupreme leader khamenei can't be pressured into attacking first. that would be bad optics for the domestic audience. america has to attack first
jfc ban quote spammers
>>2646668yeah fuck reading theory just overthrow the
regime already stupid tankie authorititos
reading is for pseuds revolution is about the vibes
The problem isn't reading, it's trying to apply a direct application of quotes to circumstances that those quotes didn't apply to.
Ah they're resuming air traffic, it's a fizzle
>>2646668yeah just let us falsify marxism in peace jfc commie trolls
The position of the Iranian proletariat would be so very much improved when the state is balkanized into a dozen warring states, half of which being openly genocidal.
>>2646688JDPONDON declares: NO MORE EXECUTIONS
>>2646689i think living conditions would improve a lot if they had an american pipeline and the profits went to wall street
>>2646683it was a false alarm to test their reactions. but in the initial strike of the 12 day war did they close the airspace until after the first attack? i cant remember
>>2646702The 12 day war consisted of limited missile and drone strikes, not pre-emptive airspace closures and carrier redeployments.
The US is pivoting into the region following evacuations and Israeli warnings to its own army for major ground escalations.
>>2646637the world is 'exhausted' while africa remains untouched? imperial core suburb take
is ryan grim a tankie? drop site news says there is no evidence of the regime killing protesters. did he suport the dictator assad too?
>The US military is deploying an aircraft carrier to the Middle East from the South China Sea, according to a source familiar with the matter - Al Arabiya
woke leftcom arithmetic be like 1 + 1 = interimperialist
SCREENCAP THIS OFFICIAL KING LEAR PREDICTION
Trump will not launch a serious Air Campaign against Iran (he may launch some phony “Airstrikes” against some empty buildings, and Iran will “Retaliate” against some empty buildings at a U$ base (The Obsolete Iranian Ballistic Missiles will all be shot down), with all of this being Stage-managed Kabuki Theatre just like the “12-Day War”, though Trumps latest comments seen at
>>2646688 show that he openly supports the Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah massacring the Workers and Oppressed Nations of Iran, so their may not even be Kabuki “Airstrikes”, 😂🤣🤢🤮!) because the Zionists want the Mossad Mullah Cuckatollah to remain in power, because the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” is a Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State Controlled Opposition that engages in a Kabuki Theatre Inter-Bourgeois conflict with the U$/Zionist State, with the Fake “12 Day War” being a classic example of this, especially the arranged Kabuki Theatre “Air Strikes” on the Fake “Nuclear” facilities, everything that happens between the U$/Zionist State and Iran (along with Hezbollah and Hamas) is Stage managed Inter-Bourgeois Kabuki Theatre designed to divide the Arab Nation on Sunni-Shia Sectarian lines (U$ military aid to the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” during the Iran-Iraq War as part of “Iran-Contra” in order to destroy Baathist Iraq which culminated in the 2003 U$ Invasion of Baathist Iraq to establish a Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic Regime with Iranian support, the Syrian Civil War, the Yemeni Civil War, etc.), provide a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Palestine (the False Flag October 7th Attack), and brutalize the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the entire Middle East, especially those in Iran (ie. Hezbollah and the PMF slaughtering Leftist Workers in Iraq and Lebanon, the Shia Islamist Fascist Theocratic “Islamic Republic of Iran” slaughtering Tens of Thousands of Communist Workers, including many attempts to Genocide the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan), 😂🤣🤢🤮!
This is why I can’t wait until the Controlled Opposition Crypto-Zionist/U$ Puppet State Shia Islamist Theocratic Fascist “Islamic Republic of Iran” is overthrown in a Maoist PPW to create a Persian SSR which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan, while granting National Liberation/Self-Determination to the Oppressed Nations of South Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Arabistan, and Balochistan, in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as shown in my Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in West Asia, after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will completely destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (In both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the first Map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2646768>jewish ssrThis alone tells me to disregard anything you day
What's with the rampant islamophobic crypto Zionist posters of the last couple of months? A year ago we'd get people calling for Hezbollah to take over Lebanon, people saying the Islamic Republic is no different than what the Soviet union was (a revolutionary state) and thus should be supported, people supporting hamas, etc'.
Why did the mood change here so much?
>>2646784old posters left. new ones came from twitter and reddit.
>>2646768You are a zionist with that Jewish SSR
>>2646784You only have a few old posters left. Sabo comes in every once a blue moon but posters like the old International Brigade anon who wrote essays during the Ukraine war in 2022 is gone and other posters like him are gone. So it is mostly rage baiters on leftypol nowadays
>>2646617Time moves in the forward direction. China only very recently started imperialism. Give more modern numbers.
Wages also don't work that way. Wages are primarily a consequence of class struggle and high investment in a region due to the town-country contradiction. It's far better to look at unemployment rates than wages.
>>2646617So, is China living off clipping coupons?
Would a post-israel/Zionist world look like?
>>2646784because those things were and are nothing but failures? reactionary ones too, at that
>>2646821Islamic revolution was a failure, sure. While USSR had support of the working class of the world even in the darkest moment, Iran is a pariah state even to muslim countries. There is more Saudi influence in post-Soviet countries than there is "islamic revolution" nonsense there. In fact, there is no islamic revolution ANYWHERE
>>2646890There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where nothing happens
>>2646768tell me about short hair under communism mr king!
>>2646916Based Iran take out Dubai too if you can
>>2646803>China only very recently started imperialismchina only very recently eliminated extreme poverty they arent even close to being fully developed. the study is from last year go ahead and read it
>>2646812i dont understand how you could possibly think that given the data
ugh
>>2646973I don't know what to think anymore
This could be a misdirection by Usrael and they will strike anyway
>>2646973idk why they do this every time. trump is going to set a date for talks and then hit them with an airstrike 2 hours before
>>2647006I think so too
They did the same last time
It's also how nasrallah was killed
Why don't they learn?
>>2646057i seriously cant believe real human 'beings' believe that 12k people have been killed in 4 days
>>2646688ACKSIS SISTERS….
CUCKRAN BROS….
WHY DO WE KILL OUR OWN WORKERS WHILE SUCKING GREAT SATAN COCK?
>>2646973what is iran even supposed to talk the us about?
>>2647057Shares it's experience in prole killing with ICE
Imagine the libcuck shahites who tattooed drumf on their mom's ass praying he will join the prole killing only for him to defend the theocracy kek
Im confused why are people simping for an islamic theocracy again?
>>2647078It's not a theocracy. It's a liberal democracy bourgeois shithole no different than your country.
Western leftists defend it because they're applying their petty bourgeois ideology to geopolitics so smaller imperialist power = good
Im confused why are people simping for an american imperialism again?
>>2647082but small states cant be imperail
empire is when big states eg ruzza
>>2647087very epic my good sir! carry on1!!
>>2647082>liberal democracy bourgeois No it aint.
mossad lost btw
>>2647082how is it imperialist?
>>2647096it is
>>2647126Its not a democracy nor is it liberal.
This is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2646664nationalism is an essential part of proletarian revolutionary struggle anyone who denies this isn't a marxist
>>2647133>not a liberal democracy>look inside>liberal institutions and democratic systemjust because religous institutions within liberal democracy trigger your redditor brain doesn't mean its not a lib democracy
>>2646664He's simply saying that because the nation state is the dominant polity under capitalism, the revolutionary struggle must be waged within nations as units. In other words worker's should seek seize power within their individual nation states before nationality can be abolished.
>>2647146no you dont understand things i dont like = hyperreactionary islamotheocratic fascismo authoritarissimo totalitariatism. at least america is a democracy bombing the mullahs would be an improvement. tankies just cant undetrsand that because they are bootlickers
>>2647133Iran is a bourgeois democracy. If you want to insist that it's not liberal because of its cultural conservatism then whatever but it's basic structure is that of a bourgeois republic.
>>2647149>>2647139are you guys sure anon told me that nations are bourgeois spooks and that communism is stateless. no war but class war and especially never national liberation war which is class collaboration and basically ᴉuᴉlossnW. this is what all true marxists believe (tankie campists arent marxists)
>>2647160was that anon bakunin
>>2647164umm no idk who that is. communism is when you smash the state thats what marx always said. if you have no state then theres no authority to have like guns and stuff so they cant tell people what to do anymore
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