all of you are democrats
None of u r communist
>>2646933do you think communism just falls out of a coconut tree?!
>>2646938Did you forget a few years ago when nationwide riots burned down entire city blocks over George Floyd? Every outbreak of major unrest begins with more benign shit like demonstrations.
>>2646933>all of you are democratsFalse
>None of u r communistTrue
>>2646946I'm sure there's a few people in an actual party in the website.
>>2646942And that accomplished what, exactly? Less than nothing, unless burning trash cans, breaking windows, and generally terrorizing people into vooting for Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris is your definition of something happening
>>2646933I actually registered green
>>2646949You're moving goalposts. You were saying that they were docile because they were demonstrating peacefully, now you're talking about the effectiveness of rioting. That's a separate issue.
Make the summer of '67 look like a blockparty
>>2646955That's another anon you're talking to. I'm the anon you originally replied to and I kinda agree with you, however its kinda crazy that americans will do anything but pick up a [REDACTED] and just [REDACTED]
Ugh my mom called me saying that Russia's going to invade Greenland. I need to reread DuBois on how the American people are a fine kindly breed.
>>2646959If they do, you owe me money.
>>2646958Some people including leftists have brought guns to demonstrations, but without proper organization its not helpful. Even more important is a militant mood among the masses such that they view revolutionaries with guns as liberators rather than a sign of lawlessness demanding harsher repression.
Even here it is not safe
even this thread has been defaced
someone has been written on this post
in some angry hands
COPE RIDES ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE
>>2646876>sell-out. that's what happened. in 2019 goes to say that Venezuela isn't a threat. then endorsed trumpedo's gunboat diplomacy towards Venezuela.But Tulsi's given up all her previous positions and is doing everything Trump wants. So why does he push her out of his circle now after she kissed the ring? Seems weird.
>>2646889>remember when she said that bernie was a misogynist without evidence? Listen sweetie, only a misogynist would dare oppose a women in any way. He ran in the primary against Hillary. That's all the evidence we need.
>>2646938"Please atop killing us!" – ICE protestors
"LOL, no!" – ICE
"I would prefer if you didn't have sex with children, sir!" – unionized Ford worker
"Relax, guy!" – Donald Trump
So did they shoot one guy with a shovel or two people in a car or all three or wtf is going on?
>>2646971Inconclusive, but it was surely in self defense
>>2646971They probably ran into a brown-looking guy shoveling snow and shot him.
Ice is barely trained, but are they trained in riot tactics?
>>2646980Apparently they're only getting six weeks of training with barely any standards for fitness or literacy. It's quite literally a welfare program for fat psychopathic low autism score lumpens.
>>2646982do you think that since BLM 2020ish, that Minneapolis has some ML presence attempting to emerge?
Does someone have that webm/mp4 of the burning of the third precinct with people standing with the blaze at their back and facing the crowd
>>2646985ICE just calls anyone they shoot Venezuelan.
>>2646987I have no clue. I'm not plugged into developments among US communists enough to say. In addition to the well known parties like PSL and CPUSA there's a plethora of smaller local orgs across the states. It's possible that they could have been making inroads but this is always a slow grinding process. If they have then I don't see much sign of that with these ICE demonstrations.
>>2646985and you won't believe it, he was
khamas too!!!!!
>>2646993Mark my words the burgerreich is going to use NSPM-7 to try mass arrests this year.
>>2646996They're already doing mass arrests.
>>2646997mass arrests of white people*
Fizzle gang, ice got out and the protesters are against the state police.
/nightgang/ is necessary
>>2646982How many people in ICE do you think are former NEETs
This is how nothing happens
Not with a sizzle but a fizzle
Reports say they put an ICE officer in the hospital?
>>2647012Considering they've been harassing hospitals hopefully they get sub-standard care.
>>2647016>any business that services nonwhite people>"IT'S LE FRAUD">"NO FUNDING FOR YOU"is this the new meta?
Beyond parody.
>After wrapping up his four-minute-long speech about the bill and his Make America Healthy Agenda, Kennedy finally received the presidential handshake he was waiting for before Trump turned his attention to the large bottle of milk on his desk, joking that it had been sitting there for five days and he wanted to offer it to the reporters in the room.
>The Whole Milk for Healthy Kids Act of 2025, passed by Congress in the fall, overturned Obama-era limits on providing higher-fat milk options in schools, with Rollins describing the bill as legislation that fixed Michelle Obama’s “short-sighted campaign to ditch whole milk.” Schools will still be still permitted to offer skim and low-fat options to students in addition to whole and 2 percent fat milks.
>In an appearance on the Katie Miller Podcast on Tuesday, Kennedy discussed Trump’s eating habits, telling Miller, “The interesting thing about the president is that he eats really bad food, which is McDonald’s, and, you know, candy and Diet Coke. But he drinks Diet Coke at all times. He has the constitution of a deity. I don’t know how he’s alive, but he is.”
>Despite this unusual diet, Trump claimed that drinking milk had helped him “ace” three cognitive tests, which are typically used as a screening tool for dementia.
>“I’ve taken a lot of them,” Trump said on Wednesday. “I’ve aced every one of them because I drink milk.”
>>2647017You might say it's the New Norm!
>>2647015Probably not. These people all remember their Hippocratic Oath when it’s a pig and forget it when it’s a miscarrying woman.
>>2647021Trump remains extremely funny god damn it
>>2647018Of all the awful things Kennedy has done (and he's already done some really horrendous shit that will lead to the death and suffering of millions) this is definitely not on the list. It is very funny how much Kennedy is disgusted by Trump though.
>>2647026>he's already done some really horrendous shit that will lead to the death and suffering of millionsName two
>>2647027Isn't it exhausting going out of your way to come up with reasons why anything remotely encouraging should be ignored?
>>2647029Bringing back measles and rotavirus.
>>2647021I'm beginning to suspect that Trump doesn't like the coup potentates (Vuvuzela Nobel Peace Prize Lady, Iranian Crown Prince) for only a single reason: in his mind they would take away the fame >>>from him<<< while he should be the one taking all the credit for making the best deals and toppling dictators or what not.
People in the pentagon who rigged the Nobel committee must be malding and seething because of how Trump's narcissism trumps their efforts.
Super funny, btw.
>>2647030OWS
BERNIE
BLM
CHAZ
ICE
Name 1 thing that should make me rationality hopeful.
>>2647033Sure, but that's anti-imperialist praxis. I thought you meant that Kennedy was killing millions of real people.
>>2647040You're such a little bitch kill yourself if you're so hopeless. Why do you even continue to breathe, faggot?
>>2647042>if you are not irrational like me you should kill yourself!!!!Bruh, think about the optics for a second.
there's so much bickering in this thread. Why is everybody so high-strung? it's not like the world's about to end or anything
>>2646965the punchline is
chef's kiss 😘👌🧑
>>2647027yet here you are posting on leftypol instead of protesting yourself
curious
>>2647052this is the man who has been outsmarting the democratic party for over a decade now
>>2647063Are they going to invoke the Insurrection Act next?
>>2647066I think they're certainly going to try, the only reason they didn't do it over BLM was because of a host of other factors that aren't present here
>>2647040It's not a question of being hopeful, it's a question of being able to identify sentiments among the workers that work in our favour and to which we should apply pressure. You see people expressing their anger at ICE and your first thought should be about how communists can further agitate these people, how we can educate them, turn their anger into class consciousness, and organize them. Instead you declare that its hopeless and we shouldn't bother because they aren't committing suicide by cop. If you're waiting for a fully class conscious proletariat to spring forward fully formed and land in our laps then you'll be waiting forever. The role of communists is to go out and build class consciousness, which by definition means recruiting, working with, and most importantly fighting for people who aren't class conscious, i.e. liberals. You turn them into communists by fighting for their interests and being their most resolute ally wherever they come into conflict with bourgeois power, no matter how minor.
>>2647074What party are you a member of? Don't try to "educate" me about the "role of communists" if you are not even in a communist party or in a party that shills for democrats, please.
>>2647080Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot kill yourself you piece of shit
>>2647080What communist party are you a member of that we should join?
>>2647081Thought so. You are not a communist. You are an individual(ist) with communist sentiments. You don't get to tell me noffin. Come back when you joined the PSL.
>>2647084I'm not an American to begin with.
>>2647088Then what the fuck are you yammering about? You're incessant about being a doomer but dont even live here dude
>>2647085you fucking retard I'm NTA, I'm just calling you a bitch for your rigid thinking. Fuck off out of here with your bullshit
>>2647093I watched Americans high on hopium during all of these events listed here:
>>2647040 (the list is longer, but nevermind), and saw hiw they NEVER, EVER draw strategic or theoretical conclusions from these failures. Your "recipe" is just to repeat failed formulae over and over again and shit on rational people that doing the same thing won't bear different results.
I am an expert on Americans, yes.
>>2647080I'm a member of the Communist Party of Canada.
>>2647097Anarchists don't get a seat at the adult's table.
>>2647104>Your "recipe" is just to repeat failed formulaeWhat failed formula would that be?
>>2647101you can just reset it and try different wording and eventually it'll agree with you
>>2647106you're not in the US and telling people they're not real communists unless they join a party that is known for being a completely useless shitshow of marching around in circles chanting slogans and letting themselves get kettled and arrested by cops. so basically you're a massive faggot and should kys
>>2647107Reformism through the Dems, decentralized protest movements being overtaken by dems, etc.
>>2647111People have increasingly broken from both of those over the years and have largely rejected the Dems entirely by now
>>2647110While I agree with you that the communists in america have been ineffectual, the REASONS why they were that way have begun to wither away.
We can actually
retry methods from the past now because things are very different now. That means you CAN join leftist ML orgs even the CPUSA and achieve something we never have before.
>>264711390% of leftypol's Americans will vote Dems the coming election to "fight" Trump's "fascism".
>>2647116There won't be another election, dipshit!
you guys have got to get past communism and marx. it's the 21st century, new information has come to light, you're just being performative and latching onto the most well-known historical leftist cause for performance's sake. stop performing and learn how to use your fucking brain.
>>2647113Even the entirety of the people inside DSA openly admit and the general unofficial but clearly palpable consensus is that they have to make a dirty break from the Dems. That time will come very soon. Now is the time to march. It's an open fucking field boys
>>2647116Oh is it not fascism anymore? Are we not allowed to call it that?
>>2647114>We can keep doing the same thing that didn't work before because it turns out that we were right all along it's just that the world was wrong!Narcissists.
>Also, voote blue no matter hooo (CPUSA)Bourgeois shills.
>>2647119Shut the fuck up and look at China and Vietnam. Marx is the only way forward, ML states are the only states doing well right now, and it's not even close. Get the fuck out of here
>>2647101that depends enterally on what you spoon feed the AI, tbh. it's like the assessment of 'white genocide' in South Africa. if you spoon feed the AI what musk/trumpedo say, you'll get them to agree with the narrative. shitlib media and rethug media won't call it an 'executions of American citizens in the streets' thus it won't tell you that.
>>2647121If it were fascist you wouldn't be allowed to vote it away to begin with. Your actions betray your professed beliefs.
>>2647121america never will be fascist but also it was always fascist since the beginning
>>2647111>Reformism through the DemsWhere did I advocate for this?
>decentralized protest movements being overtaken by demsDo you want to know why the dems overtake decentralized protest movements? Because they organize them and communists don't.
>>2647122You dipshit they TRIED revolution and couldn't because there was no revolutionary break, so they had to bide their time, all of us had to
But now we are actually on the verge of a revolutionary break with the Trump administration metabolizing the entirety of the American State. If we can be defeatist enough, the rest of the world will jump on the chance to crush us. They're just waiting for us to give them the clear.
Open your mind buddy
>>2647118*Yawn*See you at the polls
>>2647036They'll arrest you for podcasts and typing too. At least with a crowd you have numbers to fight back but when you're isolated in your house they'll have a swat team kill you at 3am.
>>2647118There will be elections. However, the presidency doesn't have to listen to congress and they can get the supreme court to rubber stamp anything so it doesn't matter.
>>2647129"We half-assed it!" should be the official USA motto.
>>2647128>>2647132since y'all can predict the future, gimme the powerball numbers
>>2647134You need to listen to what Trump and his administration are saying. They will not stop. They are going full hilt, dude. They don't give a fuck. It's fucking OVER bro and you need to realize that NOW before it's too late and you're unprepared.
>>2647128We're NOT allowed to vote it away though. The uniparty, remember?
>>2647116Your position is unironically "workers aren't spontaneously class conscious so we should give up".
damn they're killing more people and it's fizzling. grim
>>2647140The MAGA republicans will NEVER
EVER
EVER
EVER
let a democrat win the presidency ever again.
They are fully committed to a complete and perpetual capture of the executive.
>>2647136>We ae fastists… Kinda>We won the space race…. Kinda>We won ww2…. Kinda>We toppled the soviet union…. Kinda>We liberated the slaves….. KindaIt's a nation of half-assers
>>2647143What are you talking about? Protesters managed to raid one of the ICE vehicles and they've got their logistics plans, details of operations, names of ICE agents and FBI agents, switchable plates, hotel reservations, etc. A lot of shit is happening, mostly ICE getting completely clowned on
>>2647140Trump is like bringing the apocalypse, man.
>>2647143this is why anarchists can be "used" but we dont have them as much any more. If you can trick the anarchists into rioting, you can create the fluidity and stochastic atmosphere/fog of war shit that allows communists to operate without being detected. Also lays the ground for a revolutionary break if you can escalate enough.
>>2647121fascism is an emergency response to communist advances
>>2647145That's why the nation itself must be crushed
>>2647153You will half-ass crushing the nation as well.
>>2647150You dont need to trick is into rioting, we'll happily do it whenever there's a good excuse
>>2647150deploy the tactical anarkiddies
>>2647148Listen. The Trump administration is FULLY COMMITTED to lebensraum. They are organized, every intelligent nazi that lay hiding in the USA is at the table living their fucking dream right now.
They are accelerating hard as fuck. This is real.
>>2647156Hey buddy, go wild lol. Do your worst!
>>2647150Reality is not a computer strategy game.
>>2647162It literally is you fucking dipshit, and the fascists know it. That's why they're kicking our ass.
>>2647161Oh but anon, dont we always?
[obnoxious laughtrack]
[stock film of women applauding]
>>2647159Nah. You just take /pol/'s power fantasies and hysterically conclude: "this, but for real". Even actual nazis know that Trump is a clown.
>>2647147Wait, what? I’ve been out of the loop for a few days, when did this happen?
>>2647140Why throw away the cover of elections and the legitimacy it gives them? If they can rig the votes for the presidency and ignore congress then what's the point of abandoning the constitution when it lets them do whatever they want anyway?
>>2647166Trump is a figurehead and a symbol, a cult of personality to organize around and one that gives them legitimacy. But the nazis know that stephen miller, pete hegseth, and all those retards are chaotic enough to give THEM the room to move in and take over, applying their nazi autism to serious and methodical actions. We're seeing it in real time. How the fuck do you think they were able to kidnap maduro?
>>2647169Just a few minutes ago, it was on one of those protest livestreams. Basically they chased a bunch of ICE agents out of one of the neighborhood blocks and they left one of their vehicles behind with a shitload of goodies
>>2647171Yes! THat's essentially the same thing, except if we escalate and force their hand, they'll have no choice but to abandon the constitution!
They would rather completely toss out everything and have a civil war than give up their seat. And it's what they want. We have to give it to them.
>>2647158Anarkiddy zerg rush
>>2647171obviously there will be "elections" but they will be rigged
honestly though trump is dumb enough he might try to stage an "emergency" to cancel the elections
>>2647173They're using these events as a training ground for their agents. Those fat retards in ICE are learning how to control crowds and do counter-insurgency in real time. They will learn more complex tactics and begin to become more sophisticated very quickly
so at what point are some of y'all going to go to china to ask them for military aid for the upcoming civil war
>>2647176>Skeleton king with birbsI'm conflicted about this. Somewhere between "metal" and "lame".
>>2647178Nah, they're Americans.
>>2647179They'll do it without us having to ask. All we need is enough of a break. We have to force the nazis to attempt what they say they want: balkanization and new sovereignty. They want a war. Give it to them.
>>2647179China's got no incentive to get itself involved so I dont see the point
>>2647176aren't those vultures? their symbolic bird is a vulture? lol
>>2647183China literally has no interest in getting involved, they're getting rich off America's collapse.
>>2647176Tacky imitation Nazi merch.
>>2647187The literal ONE time china would and will EVER get involved would be during the collapse of The Great Satan. It's the one thing literally everyone in the entire world is waiting for. If we come close, even just a little bit, the entire world will jump on the chance to help us drive the knife in
>>2647185>china has no incentive to get involved in a civil war in one of the most heavily armed nuclear powers and biggest trading partnerhmm
>>2647179If I were in the CPC I’d honestly just shrug and go “yeah I’m sorry but we got our own shit to deal with”
>>2647190Maybe to fuck things around a little bit but they're not going to like support some communist insurgency to reunify the American government like some kind of hoi4 mod
>>2647192They would sell us weapons for cheap as fuck, if we were to split sovereignty in the USA.
>>2647192there is no capacity for serious communist insurgency in the us so they'll pick the biggest lib opposition faction and support that
>>2647195>>2647196Keeping us balkanized would be in theirs and everyone else's best interests though no?
>>2647196There absolutely is what the fuck are you talking about. The only thing stopping the communists in the USA is the unified national government. If there is a civil war of any kind, the communists will actually have a chance.
>>2647198NO You fucking retard. It would be in everyone's best interest for us to become a communist republic like China. And even if we were to remain balkanized, the more China Friendly section of that body, one that is run by communists, would be better than whatever the fuck we have here.
>>2647199as an independent faction no, as part of a popular front yes
>>2647130>Where did I advocate for this?you didn't, canadian, anon was clearly complaining about americans in general not you specifically
>Do you want to know why the dems overtake decentralized protest movements? Because they organize them and communists don't.Communists organize shit all the time but americans don't join them because they're afraid of being associated with muh stalin holodomor can't feed their own people gorillion dead brainwashing kim jong un haircut push the train blah blah blah
>>2647201That's how it's always been??? That's the whole method, that's how lenin did it, that's how mao did it, that's how Ho Chi Minh did it.
>>2647205If I were a firetruck I would make jazz sounds for the thinking truck enjoyer
>>2647203It literally does, you fucking dumbass, it's just quiet and lowkey. But they're there if you look for it. Millions and millions of people all across the world know the theory, and if given the chance to work together, (which they already are in many cases, both explicitly and in relative secrecy) organization would almost pop into existence. The only thing everyone has been waiting and pushing for these entire past 70 years has been the fall of the american empire.
>>2647204>Communists organize shit all the time but americans don't join them because they're afraid of being associated with muh stalin holodomor can't feed their own people gorillion dead brainwashing kim jong un haircut push the train blah blah blahbecause most communists are hyper-online weirdos who talk about this shit that scares the hoes, and also because most burgers don't really know what communism is even about
>>2647210>because most communists are hyper-online weirdos who talk about this shit that scares the hoesTHANK YOU. Every time I post here I just imagine Vivek Chibber shitting blood
>>2647210If you give the burgers no choice but to pick a side, theyll pick us. The number of co-workers that I've made VERY CLEAR I was a communist out loud, were not as allergic to the idea as you would think. Especially if they're black.
>>2647189China won't get involved simply because they benefit no matter who wins and neither side particularly benefits them more than the other.
>>2647191exactly this
>>2647211I respect the hell out of Vivek but I still think he can be a bit rigid. He's oldschool and that's important but I think we have a lot of weird post-modern theory we can weaponize like white magic. I think "woke" was kind of cool and interesting actually, from a chaos perspective. It was overall a great application of insurgent counter-psyop, even if it didn't make sense on the surface to most classical marxists.
>>2647214You are so annoying and also a massive pseud.
>>2647210>because most communists are hyper-online weirdos who talk about this shit that scares the hoesI agree the (purely rhetorical) one upping and larping about how much you wanna torture and kill is lame but it's an imageboard man.
>>2647213Holy shit what the fuck are you talking about China would benefit SO MUCH from an american civil war. They've already shifted away from the US as far as export markets.
Is something happening?
>>2647214I used to be into pomo stuff but after a while, I got frustrated with it. I remember reading Baudrillard and thinking "YOU JUST SAID
NOTHING"
>>2647220No, go back to sleep.
>>2647214what the previous poster said in his reply
>>2647214I don't think woke achieved anything except tying the Left with Rainbow Capitalist garbage and turning a generation against us because they think Communists are the reason video games are bad now.
I wish leftists would stop trying to 'own' their enemies and just focus on building support instead. It's way more productive if your ideology is meant to be constructive and not destructive to have a positive message; talk about how you can benefit the working class man not how you'll restrict what media he consumes.
>>2647220Just another day in sephulcre of evil that is this nation.
>>2647225>how you can benefit the working class manDid you just force the male gender onto worker bodies?
>>2647222There were so many things that they came up with that were cool as fuck, and were absolutely possible to be synthesized with oldschool Marxist thought and
were. The serious application of deleuzian accelerationist concepts and "rhyzomatic" shit was
directly responsible for the massive growth in left-wing consciousness towards the end of Obama admin and into trump. I watched it happen in real time.
>>2647229Give me an example.
>>2647233dasha is funny lookin
>>2647225I'm sorry but just because it didn't achieve a DOTP immediately doesn't mean it was worthless and achieved nothing. There are so fucking many Marxist Leninists now
as a direct result of woke, because it was a break in the mute-compulsive field of capitalist psychological control, allowing theory to spread like wildfire in the counter-cultural realm. You just lack imagination because you want simple brute force mechanisms without understanding how consciousness and propaganda has to actually spread in an anti-communist fascist society.
>>2647232I literally gave you the example, dumbass, I'm not going to write a fucking thesis for you on leftypol. If you can't figure it out yourself from the spirit of my argument, then you're an unimaginative pessimistic retard.
>>2647229So many words to say that you cheered on the watering down of Marxism into leftism.
Read WitbD.
Thank you for your attention to this book recommendation.
>>2647236>Sauce? My ass and vibes and magical thinking! If you want further proof you are a fascisthonk honk
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5207967/lessons-learned-from-when-the-obama-administration-deported-millions-of-peopleShould be pointed out that the Obama administration deported over 3 million people WITHOUT the violent spectacle and terror inflicted on the population of the current Trump admin.
>>2647237I mean, he does have a point. In the 2010s for me and alot of others "left" pomo was a gateway to marxism proper. It happened to me, I saw it happen to friends, and I definitely saw it online - you had kids who were into Foucault and Deleuze get into Zizek and Mark Fisher, they start getting hooked on folks like Richard D. Wolff and from then on they start reading Marx and Engels and the classical anarchists during the 1st trump admin years.
>>2647220Uh I think people broke into a DHS vehicle left behind on the block of today's ICE shooting and got their hands on some documents.
The stream where that alleged happened (statuscoup) is privated now though
https://www.youtube.com/live/TewasURTjN0 >>2647241Exactly. It was the most clear and obvious self organizing teleological grassroots movement that used liberalism
against itself to radicalize thousands upon thousands of Americans. Before it, there were no socialists at all. I never met a single one. Now we're everywhere
>>2647241True, but the ONLY reason these people were the gateway drug is because Marxism proper was and is still a big no-no in academia and the media. The red scare is still a lingering force also.
It's a big class-allegience indicator if someone gets stuck in his "Deleuze" or "Zizek" phase instead of moving on to the classical theoretical texts, class history, economics…
>>2647235I fail to>>2647236
Stock Market crash of the auts
So is this just sunken coat fallacy? You read too much pomo pseudomarxist drivel before you realizes that marx a already offering a sufficient lens by which to view reality, rendering your time wasted?
>>2647243>clear and obvious self organizing teleological grassrootsYou could have used just 1 word and had lost no meaning. Instead, you did a pseud.
>>2647247
Shut up bitch we are talking about milk and firetrucks and pomo
>>2647245I don't know how else to explain it any simpler man.
It was a fucking pipeline and always was. It had to exist because convincing people is harder than just "read lenin" or whatever, especially when they've been inundated by the american anti-communist propaganda their entire lives.
>>2647060He outsmarted the dems because all the milk he drank gave him the super smarts
>>2647245*I fail to see how how "rhizomatic" thinking or whatever accounts for the resurgance in class politics reaulting from the housing crash of the mid auts and failed promise of "the end of history".
I hit the post button on accident before I finished my sentence. :(
>>2647235>There are so fucking many Marxist Leninists now as a direct result of woke, because it was a break in the mute-compulsive field of capitalist psychological control, allowing theory to spread like wildfire in the counter-cultural realm.Is there any evidence of this? Or even evidence that there ever was a mute-compulsive field of capitalist psychological control? I'm old enough to remember what the internet was like before 2016 and there was way more dissent and oppenness to exploring different ideas than there is now. The rise in overt anti-Capitalist rhetoric is directly due to the collapse of the American middle class and inability to afford things, not because some twitter people owned the chuds.
My opinion on "woke" and all its connected shame-culture slop is that it's just pure reaction. It's an attempt to replace criticism of capitalism as an entity with criticism of individuals and place the blame squarely on individuals instead of the system as a whole. Every attempt at canceling some minor celebrity for some minor social infraction is framed like a moral crusade, how if we just get rid of -person- it'll solve all the problems in -thing-, or if we stop making media involving fictional depictions of -problematic subject- it'll somehow manifest a reduction in the rate of that thing happening in real life instead of tackling that issue in real life directly. Eventually it just devolved into turning cultural discourse into two rich people fighting a PR battle like Depp vs Heard when the correct answer should be "chop off both their heads" and wokepillers will vilify you for even mentioning that instead of picking a side in their petulant eternal moral crusades. I think this shit legitimately set the Left back by at least a decade by forcing every American to pick sides in a million different and completely irrelevant issues that are all completely non-threatening to Capitalism. And many of these people now identify themselves as "leftists" with a chip on their shoulder over their preexisting brainrot, completely unwilling to accept that their past moral crusades were misguided and stupid and willing to burn every left-wing org down to continue feeling like a good person at the expense of political progress.
Woke is a CIA psyop meant to infect the Western Left like a cancer and you can't prove me wrong.
>>2647240Yeah it's kind of funny, my dad is one of those "I got here illegally and got legalized by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of '86 but people should come legally" guys but he's very against the pornographic spectacle.
I've also explained that the spectacle mode of operation occurred during Operation Wetback right after WWII and Mexican Repatriation during the Depression. I try not to be one of those "oh we didn't learn about x in school" types but neither him nor I learned about those things in school because we were educated in the heart of the Lone Star Reich.
>>2647249He's correct.
>cross class alliancesIt's called a united front. (every single communist revolution had to do this)
>vague ideologyNo shit. You find common ground for the time being while you do the united front. It will be naturally vague because that's how that works.
>hangover where cross class coalition fucked and new ruling class formsAgain very obvious and true. Happened in every ML state, except they made sure the communist party bureaucrats were the winners of that post revolutionary era. That's the whole point.
He just thinks it's bad or whatever because he's still a lib.
>>2647257Your dad is disgusting tbh
>>2647259We are petty bourg, I know
>>2647250Alright fair, I think I'll partially agree that it played a role in moving some people towards communism who would've otherwise still be liberals but I still hold the opinion that it does a disservice to our movement as a whole and has to be shed and replaced with a more grounded analysis sooner or later.
>>2647258every time you suggest cross class coalition on here you get mussolin speech bubble spammed at you
every time you suggest vague ideology for purposes of united front you get called revisionist/opportunist by leftcoms on here
any time you point out hangover and purges you get told you believed in lib propaganda
yet here you are saying all those things are true
you are inviting scorn for your truth nukes from the community here
>>2647264
Ok fine. It chaffs my LARP. Happy?
>>2647262>has to be shedYes I agree, it's not the end goal but a process of radicalization for those stuck in the haze of anti-communist PSYOP space.
That being said, it's still a useful pipeline that exists in the ecosystem of radicalization that will continuously bring new people to our level. It's an assembly line of consciousness that still exists, but it's not the main thing we experience anymore, now it's just relegated to sections of the internet where it's most fertile to do so:
online (tumblr, certain subreddits, tiktok,)
and irl (blue city art scenes, punk rock scenes, academia)
These are real and while not as insane as they were, still important.
did anyone manage to download a copy of the ICE ops in that abandoned vehicle? its being taken down everywhere
>>2647265That image is so fucking funny lmao thank you anon
>>2647271fuck no I haven't but I'm sure it's somewhere in the discord swamps. I imagine that Gay Nazi poster here has a chance to get a hold of it. I hope they do
>>2647255
Are unions as an organizational form worth anything these days? They seem to have been completely captured and coopted by capitalists whenever they do exist. Vanguard Parties, guerrilla groups and even leftist book clubs are more valuable than unions
>>2647250I don't think it was actually a good pipeline. The Left probably lost more people than it gained due to how petty the twitter mob was becoming. Maybe you had a different experience due to engaging in different circles but in my circle a lot of young men became very antagonistic towards leftist ideology because they started associating it with censorship instead of economic theory. Probably 90% of terminally online zoomer men think The Left wants to ruin video games, porn, anime, etc and going after people's hobbies is the quickest way to turn them against you.
>>2647271Even if we did, why would you admit that on a public website when you said yourself ICE are going after everyone that has it? If anyone has it upload it on TOR. Opsec matters dudes.
apparently
one of the founders of the proud boys is working in ICE.
https://www.rawstory.com/ice-agents-data-leakicelist.is
https://wiki.icelist.is/index.php/FloridaEnrique Tarrio, known founder of the proud boys is working with the ICE.
the chud police is chudding.
>>2647261That's okay, I forgive you
>>2647277>some people didn't like it because they had inherently reactionary personalities so it was badWho gives a shit, suck it up buttercup, don't be a pussy etc etc. It was a culture
war. Therefore there was collateral damage.
The fact remains: there are more communists now than there were before, and that is a good thing.
If it happened to radicalize chuds who were already destined to be chuds, then good. More pigs to the slaughter, and the faster we can have the revolutionary civil war to destroy this evil country.
>>2647277because I want to download it myself
>>2647280
See this is important: there has never been a successful communist revolution in an already developed capitalist democratic constitutional state. Never.
So the solution to this: dissolution of that state. There is no other way.
While reforms to keep the proletariate alive and to stem the pain for the time being, this is only temporary relief while we patiently wait while history marches forward, and eventually brings us the revolutionary break we all need.
>>2647282It's hilarious that even your response perfectly encapsulates why people don't like "woke". You place sweeping value judgements on people based on whether they agree with you and then work backwards from that to decide they're wrong for being bad people without ever considering their point of view or attempting to argue your side or come to an agreement that might bring them over to you.
>radicalize chuds who were already destined to be chudsthere's no such thing as destiny, you're just alienating normal people by refusing to have good ideology because you've been infected with christfag brainrot and think your moral crusade is holy and righteous and therefore beyond human critique.
>>2647288Listen to me: there are people who are just fucking assholes and aren't worth the time to radicalize. Those people saw the culture war and got mad, and they joined ICE.
This is war. It is unfortunate, but it is already happening. Don't be a pussy.
>>2647293
Secession will not be ignited by the left. It will be ignited by the Right. They want that already. The Trump administration, JDPON Don is doing the defeatism for us.
He wants to take Canada, and he will actually do it.
Anything that disturbs the peace in North America is good.
>>2647290yeah, she's the one who thinks Hitler went to heaven because Jews chose to die in the holocaust
I found the original, its a minute longer
where should I post?
>>2647265>>2647258united fronts are not the only form of class aliance
>>2647299
Ok now that's interesting. Explain more of this because it could change my mind to whether the sovereigntists in the Don Admin will actually attempt to take over canada
>>2647302
I mean actual disturbance: like an invasion of Canada by Trump. Or a few nuclear 'accidents'. Or a comeback of the confederacy.
>>2647299
Obviously it's irrational and stupid. But we should still goad them into doing it
>>2647295You repeating the same brainrot is not an argument against anon's calling tou out on the same brainrot.
You are very very very very stupid.
>>2647308
But isn't the FBI itself in a serious state of Flux? Or maybe they're still much more independent than Trump would like, regardless of Kash being their "director". Is that what you're saying?
Because there may be a chance that the entire organization of the FBI could become compromised and flipped on its head to be a tool for the white supremacist regime. But i have no evidence to support either conclusion.
>>2647302
Burgers are already leaving the country bt the thousands. Academics leaving for…. Drumroll… Fucking China. Engineers leaving, etc. The demoralization of the US is an objective good for humanity. School shootings, BLM riots, industrial catastrophes, crumbling infrastructure, unrebuilt tornado hit cities – whatever that demoralizes Burgerking is an objective benefit to humanity.
>>2647309Motherfucker I'm not even a woketard, I just understand how to use tools for my own benefit. You're the one thinking in terms of morality and feels, not me.
>>2647295Are you telling me 90% of Gen Z are "not worth converting" because they don't like wokeness?
Wokeness is not a useful ideology and people criticizing it does not mean they are your enemies. They just think it's stupid to die on the hill of arguing over which billionaire is less bad or that banning hentai games will solve rape when real people can't afford groceries or a house.
In war you have to be selective of who you ally yourself with and what hills you're willing to die on. I think I'd rather ally myself with people who want to make real progress in the material world and compromise on the things that don't matter to achieve the things that do. Give me high speed rail, give me a worker's dictatorship, give me free healthcare. I could not fucking care less about criticizing celebrities or media. It's all fucking nonsense.
To be clear: If you think woke really is a pipeline for bringing people to the Left, then you should have no problem abandoning its fake totems when the conversation turns to serious shit like labor policy instead of social media slapfights. If you think woke is a hill worth dying on, or involves any actually meaningful political struggle, then you're a left-reactionary that just wants to burn society to the ground for your own amusement instead of building bridges.
And yes, I recognize that some people can never be changed and that revolution necessitates removing some people from society that are destructive to your ideal world, but someone's taste in media says basically nothing about their political malleability or willingness to participate in society. Unless your ideals heavily revolve around media and control of media and you don't actually live in the real world, I guess. But that would be silly.
>>2647314>bad people can't be save by usThis is the entirety of your argument, you stupid crusading christfag
>>2647316Wokeness like from 2010-2021ish doesn't exist anymore. It's over for a reason, but at the time, it did its job. If Gen Z doesn't like "wokeness" or whatever I could give a fuck, because there are other avenues of radicalization now in place of "wokeness".
>>2647317Theoretically, yes. Please start your acientific experiments here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera>>2647318A calculation has to be made for how much energy is worth engaging with someone and when to move on. Sometimes they're just dickheads and they join ICE. It's not like it's impossible to deradicalize them, it's that there isn't enough resources to go around to do so. So we picked our battles back then.
Even now, we're picking our battles. You think you can go up to an ICE officer and convince him to become a communist? Maybe in the correct environment you would make some progress, but we are not in that environment lmao
>>2647327
>didn't throw a single wrench into imperialism
You are a dumbass who thinks of things only in terms of a static snapshot. Everything affects everything in one way or another.
>>2647324He did the full interview in English
>>2647327
>the ship leaking from 999 holes instead of 998 holes doesn't matter
>the ship leaking from 1000 holes instead of 999 holes doesn't matter
(you are here)
>the ship leaking from 1001 holes instead of 1000 holes doesn't matter
>>2647321What was its job exactly? I still don't see how arguing over Depp vs Heard or video games somehow pushed anyone to the Left. It just all seemed so infantile and low stakes like teenagers arguing over Model UN.
Like, was anyone actually converted to Marxism through the woke pipeline? Most of those people were just in it for the moral crusade part and Marxism is not a moral crusade. I've seen some examples of people abandoning woke and going full Marxist when they realized it was dumb, but I'm not sure how "useful" that was compared to just directly exposing them to Mao and Lenin and letting them come to their own conclusions.
>>2647330
>would create an ice age
this is good actually lmao. Our warming globe could use little a nuclear winter, as a treat.
>>2647312
Not a problem. As long as it's even a mild anniyance to Americans and Canadians. Waiting for THE THING to end imperialism for good just means sitting on one's ass and allowing Yanks to live happily
>>2647335>was anyone actually convertedYES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD YES!! I AM ONE OF THEM YOU DUMBASS FAGGOT!!
And I'm a fucking ML, full throated, stalin did nothing wrong type of guy.
Jesus christ. You have no concept of fluidity or organic schemas in that tiny fucking brain of yours I swear to god.
>>2647329Woke didn't do any kind of calculation or strategy it just declared completely idiotic new rules that infested twitter then HR and declared 70% of the population Satan.
You weren't part of a thinking and acting movement when you cheered on the SJWs. You were an useful idiot to the left wing of capital. (You still are, unless you come to terms with this.)
>>2647330
That's a good deal.
>>2647340You're a fucking dumbass with no ability to think dialectically. You're butthurt over the negative aspects of a culture
war without understanding that it was necessary and worked as "intended" however much you could assign something so superorganismic and emergent as capable of teleological "intention". Now we have communists AND we can say faggot and retard on the internet! Rejoice!
>>2647344The left wing of capital does not wage war against the right wing of capital. You keep gobbling up the fucking cultural charade, the meaningless spectacle, rooting for the "good guys", like the idiotic faux-radical consumer you are, gou subhuman burger.
>>2647343
hold on how would a civil war cause yellowstone to erupt?
>>2647329On a whole you are correct but on an individual level I think many of us don't have enough choice in who we interact with to be selective of when to attempt deradicalization. You might feel that someone is too far-gone but their son or parent or spouse or coworker might still want to help them since they have to interact every day and it's in their direct interest. Rhetorical landmines like wokeness, DEI, etc just serve to shut down dialogue, which is why they're literally only relevant in American(and South Korean lol) politics and only exist to prevent deradicalization.
>>2647348First of all, the left wing and right wing of capital are at odds with each other by their very nature, or else they wouldn't be called fucking different things in the first place, you fucking dipshit
And second, you refuse to understand how everything interrelates because you have a retards concept of culture, teleology, groups and the state itself.
>>2647347>FtM (female to MAGA)I'm stealing that
>>2647335I think it might be best to introduce people with a mix of both the classics and more "modern" introductory stuff like Jakarta Method that serve as historically closer examples of Liberalism's crimes
>>2647353>The two sides of the same coin are at war at each other otherwise we wouldn't have different names for them: head vs. tailsLiteral sophistry.
>>2647351The point of "woke" was not to deradicalize the right, it was to radicalize the LEFT and it worked. It did its job, and it's over now. Yes it was fucking gay and stupid and full of dogshit, it was a weapon that any lib could get their hands on, but it was an obvious fertile ground for communist radicalization, I watched it with my own fucking two eyes, and it happened to me personally. You can deny it all you want, but that would just make you a non-dialectical, static thinker.
>>2647343
I simply oppose doing nothing.
muuuuuuhh volllluntaaarissssm f off
>>2647334the wise man notices that if it has 1000 holes leaking already, it will surely keep floating with 1000 more
>>2647359Woke, in reality, deradicalized the left.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>2647357MA-MA-MA MAGA FACE MA-MA-MA-MA
>>2647365
If even one Yank is mildly disturbed, it is nof 'nothing'.
>>2647363woke radicalized me and my 700 buddies
>>2647368Me and my 700 buddies now go by 701 different pronouns. Now THAT'S radical.
you guys should seriously think now more than ever: people got machine-gunned while doing non-violent protest in the early 1900s and it didn't trigger a revolt for decades.
If a revolt is going to happen it's going to happen years after a Bradley IFV blasts into a crowd of unarmed people with a 25mm chaingun, and you're going to be calling people cucks for going back out and protesting non-violently again afterwards
>>2647372
he's already said as much before
>>2647370>JusticeBourgeois meme for bourgeois minds.
>>2647358Literal leftcom arguments. Kill yourself
To be perfectly honest this whole thing is making me think that any kind of reform in the US is years away and even more "literally nothing" is ahead of us with incidences like this popping up occasionally. And it's because of the last 4 years. BLM was a joke. January 6th was a joke. And this is at large a joke too. ICE is beyond incompetent and they won't be able to pick up the pace. More and more states are passing bills to impede them, with NJ being one. And most importantly protests are incompetent and get nothing done. People talk shit online and the alphabet agencies have plenty of money and resources but good luck getting people do actually apply any of it in an effective way. And the Epstein files are never getting released and nobody is ever going to do anything about it. Trump's pathetic attempts to ignite WWIII will also fail because no one can afford that shit.
Dems will get voted in after this and then we're in for the rise in libshit propaganda once again where nothing changes for several years.
However I don't think the right is ever going to find someone to replace Trump after this. Even when Trump endorses people it most times doesn't work because they just don't have the pull he does. Something about him makes the chuds flock to him but it doesn't seem to work for anyone else.
It's just a slow crawl to the eventual economic ruin ahead. After that who knows.
>#JusticeFor[insert name/cause]
i sleep
>#ClassTerror
i wake
>>2647372
Absolutely! They are revolutionary!
>>2647383
OpenAI will get bought by the government and be 100% absorbed into the Pentagon's black budget so they can hail it as a "win" for AI and a "win" for America while not showing how unprofitable AI is.
>>2647385
This lumpen-junkie behaviour is unbecoming of a /leftypol/ comrade. But then again you are a Yank. I am torn.
>>2647382Very good praxis.
>If you like communism so much why don't you move to communist China then?I'd love to but I am compelled as a communist to strive to bring the same high standards of living communist China has over here.
>>2647385
>Boss makes a dollar I make a dime which is why I do hard drugs on company time
based
>>2647387Hi Torn, nice to meet you.
>>2647379>states are passing bills to stop ICELol. Lmfao even
>>2647389
The taxpayer will absorb OpenAI's debts and it'll just get restructured into the Pentagon's budget where they can sweep it under the rug and have us pay for it.
This shit has probably been long agreed upon because there is no way in hell OpenAI will ever be profitable on its own and ChatGPT is probably the biggest technological handout to the surveillance state we've ever seen.
>>2647396
a fat guy doing cocaine has always worked out
>>2647382How have you managed to invoke Maoism without the burger landmines
>>2647386It's possible that Trump's bailout policy for "to big two fail" companies will be to nationalize them instead of (or parallel to) shoving a shitton of bailout money to them, but that's like intentionally inserting a cancerous tumor inside the bourgeois state. Surplus value simply has to flow from *somewhere* or otherwise the thing collapses eventually.
>>2647394They'll just ignore them, I'm aware, but in the states where they're barely trying, they will simply put in even less effort. I think in my entire area there was one Ice effort where they took 2 people and then haven't shown up for over a year. There is still no sign of them. If there is some kind of state wide escalation they aren't trying hard unless it going to ramp up suddenly everywhere all at once.
>>2647402Meant country wide. And I know what's only my perspective and I'm in a mostly rural area. But there is still an immigrant population here and a lot of them own businesses too so they feel like easy targets. Still nothing.
>>2647401Most of the Pentagon's budget is "unprofitable" and will never see a profit. It's just an economic blackhole that money goes into and never comes back out. OpenAI will be the same. The state can absorb any economic inefficiency by politicizing it, until it can't anymore.
>>2647403
1)Don't a lot of USPS' funding issues come from Congress making them do some bullshit thing with funding pensions way further in advance than reasonable
2)What service does OpenAI actually provide, unless they just fold all of its computing power into Palantir
they money is fake. the money has never been as fake as it is now.
>>2647382I've seen this and occasionally and I've seen people say that "but is China really communist when it has so many billionaires?"
>>2647416The rebuttal is:
In China, billionaires work for the state. In America, the state works for billionaires.
I don't think we're getting a world war but how fast would that tank the world economy for everyone?
I start every day by thanking God for the existence of China.
>>2647424>you are bad because you don't want to be goodChristianity runs deep in this one.
>>2647432>i'm love making up shit nobody saidok and?
>>2647431>hmm should we thank the chinese people and their allies?>…>…>no!Israel Epstein is in shambles.
>>2647433My summary perfectly captures what you were saying, fyi, no need to invoke desantis or whoms'tever
Ok now critique China so we show we're being objective.
China is heckin revishinist >>>:((
China numba thwoo :(((((
>>2647437Their transition state is basically all the good parts of fascism.
>>2646968>Listen sweetie, only a misogynist would dare oppose a women in any way. you're irony poisoned, get off the internet immediately
>>2647444When poltards call China fascist I never understand what they mean because Xi's policy is explicitly anti-racist and fully in support of global cooperation and trade with the third world, not some ultra-nationalist China-first drivel you'd expect from fascism. China has a ton of fairly large ethnic groups and general freedom of religion, freedom of sexuality, etc.
The only thing you could call fascist about China is the internet censorship and banning porn but like…lol who cares.
>>2647446chat is this real
>>2647448Class is not an injustice (or justice, for that matter), it's a historically contingent relation. You will never be a Marxist.
>>2647448I would rather die alone and unliked than die with friends surrounding me and being wrong, tbh.
>>2647446I want so bad to believe this is real but something tells me it's just really clever editing and I feel like an unc
u guys got the ICE docs?
>>2647449Actually I know a guy who moved from america to china and he seems to be having a pretty good time over there. I've been considering moving and I know this isn't the thread and it's probably a pipe dream but I am wondering how hard that is. The problem might be though that I hate the city and I'd rather live someplace rural.
>>2647455What matters most is how you felt
>>2647451
No need for guns 4 everyone in a DotP
>>2647461i dont have them but i thought if anyone did it would be here
>>2647463
there are many places that allow guns for hunting without the batshit 2nd amendment and gun culture america has
>>2647454because Marxism for you is a way to feel right on the internet and not a way to win actual political power
>>2647462Humanism isn't a theoretical error, it's literally the Christian/renaissance ideology that came to animate the bourgeois revolutions in Europe and America, and as an ideology was already outdated (superseded) by Marxist science.
>>2647453https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China#Officially_recognized_groupsYeah but despite being 90% Han China's other ethnic groups receive government recognition and protections along with special legal rights that Westoids would consider "DEI" but Chinese people just consider fairness like quota representation in universities etc.
>>2647455It's 100% real and I was there. Kim Jong Un personally participated in the mosh pit and the North Korean babe playing the bass guitar did a solo afterwards. (It's fake but if MIGAs can pretend AI images of Trump with muscles are real then I can pretend this is real).
>>2647457If you have a college degree it's pretty easy to go to China and many places will hire you just to be their token white guy for communicating with American/European counterparts in business meetings. If you have no degree or skills, it's tough immigrating anywhere.
>>2647462"I am not a Marxist" – Marx is literal out-of context cancer posting by idiots who try to justify "reforming" (re-bourgeoisifying) Marxism.
>>2647469
In American you're going to need to own a gun now, sadly.
>>2647467you can twist words to be technically right all night. in the real world people are outraged and emotional about poverty, war, and oppression. rather than using that to mobilize revolution you will sit there with your technically correct super scientific explanation correcting everyone "class isn't an injustice you fucking liberal it's a relation of production" and just make them so annoyed with you they go back to bread and circuses. you are a nerd. people want chad to walk up to them and be like "we are going to kill our masters because they are evil and oppressing us" LOL it doesn't matter if it's spooks. spooks get the people going.
>>2647472
It's called lying. But also learn mandarin. It's actually a fun language tbh
>>2647475It's happening!!!!!
>>2647469
I don't really see any issue with people owning handguns in the house, it's their house. I just take issue with them owning guns in their car or carrying on their person as that creates chaotic situations where violence in public can easily escalate into shootings. You can do whatever the fuck you want in your own home so long as you aren't hurting anyone else.
>>2647472
You could find a Chinese woman to marry. There's a lot of them with white fever. If you're brown it's over though(I'm brown it sucks having an asian fetish).
>>2647473i'm going to kill the masters because they are evil and abolishing class is justice. you are going to correct people online about how justice isn't real and believing in it makes you a liberal
>>2647477
300 dollars is not a lot come on brother. Also, you don't even need a personal gun really. When the time comes for actually needing a gun in an organized, communist sense, you'll be handed one lol
>>2647475And this was uploaded to twitter too right? Fucking idiots lmao. Gen Z does not know how to pass information along efficiently on the internet without jeopardizing themselves. You grab them, scan them, and then distribute the info to trusted sources. Not advertise it. Now ICE will change all of that.
>>2647468>Yeah but despite being 90% Han China's other ethnic groups receive government recognition and protections along with special legal rights that Westoids would consider "DEI" but Chinese people just consider fairness like quota representation in universities etc.It is DEI, but somehow it works in China but it doesn't in the US. In China when you apply to a university you tick a box saying that you are an uyghur minority and get some points, you don't further shill yourself for extra points by writing a fucking essay about how you bring in the authentic uyghur experience of a pan-sexual whatever.
Chinese, while being fair, don't give a shit about this completely performative individualistic "sell yourSELF" shill culture that is reigning in the US and western HR circles.
Show us what you got vs. show us how you can market yourself.
>>2647481explain how choosing a side in Depp vs Heard contributes to killing the masters?
>>2647475actual based chads with blood in their veins unlike the losers on here who want to win argies with each other and show off what antimoralist and unspooked nerds they are
>>2647483
>chinese people don't make shit up
Brother… my brother in christ… I want you to really think about what you just said
>>2647486>Depp vs Heardidk what that is nerd, all i know is that Ronda Pantpiss the zionist torturer of guantanamo bay admitted that all his crying about muh woke was him just getting nervous about being guillotined and you had to be a pedantic faggot over the word justice and how unspooked you are
>>2647474>you are either right and ineffective or wrong and effective1) false dichotomy
2) literal fascist thinking
You can be right
and (a/e)ffective at politics.
>>2647493i hope when the revolution happens you get shoved in a locker and miss it
>>2647491
>>2647491
Look… I love China. I thank god for Xi Jinping every day. But if you think those motherfuckers in the working class don't bullshit non stop to save face, you don't know a thing about Chinese people.
>>2647488your based chads doxxed themselves, you realize that, right?
>>2647493>you can be right and effectivethe whole point is you're not either of those, dipshit lmao
>>2647484Consequences will never be the same.
>>2647496if that's true then what's their names
>>26475014/pol/ already has a thread for identifying them. Last I checked they had footage of their half-covered faces, audio of their voices, piccies of their full clothing, identifyable tattoos, etc.
The FBI will get them.>>2647497As opposed to these kids who just doxxed themselves "for justice"?
>>2647506what the fuck are you even trying to argue here?
>>2647495>I thank god for Xi Jinping every day.In reality, God is thanking Xi Jinping every day for China.
>>2647506>4pol "has a thread" for "identifying them"ohhhhhhhh so they haven't been doxxed yet, people are just trying. anyways, you have to back
>>2647507he wants to show he's a real marxist unlike you because he's not a moralfag
>>2647506You can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs tbqh and you can't have good opsec without learning from the mistakes of those who came before you. Yes these people will be blackbagged and sent to gitmo or deported to a concentration camp in El Salvador but at least they're using their lives to encourage dissent and undermine ICE and the people that come after them will be able to analyze how they got doxxed and learn from it(covering your tattoos, not fucking livestreaming your looting of government property, not being an active public participant in the protest if you're gonna do clandestine shit, etc) and hopefully not get caught.
>>2647497well you certainly cant be wrong and effective
>>2647510Wait till he hears about how abstractions like "morality" can still be real, material constructs that effect the world in real measurable ways
>>2647513you won the debate. i am now you. i will post just like you and not do anything, however people will know how trve marxist i am just like you.
>>2647512yeah the camera guy is not helping lol you would think he would know better
>>2647516im nta i think they were being an ass but had a point about justice being a historically contingent relation. its kind of an important distinction marx even wrote his thesis on how rights are not magic but come from real material conditions. yeah its boring but presumably you arent a chud on the street and are a communist already considering you are posting on a communist discussion board so maybe knowing correct theory is important?
>>2647474Not that guy, but you kinda prove him right.
Yea he's annoying, but humanism has clearly failed if all it takes is being annoying for people to give up on their class consciousness.
It's clear underlying knowledge is needed, or else the tiktok kids will push some meme ideology like ludditeism or whatever.
(Though of course engaged in good faith that if they're ideologically wrong they can be corrected and want to learn.)
"Few cults survive the passing of their leaders, and MAGA will not outlive the departure of Donald Trump from the White House or from this earth, whichever comes first.
His physical attrition and mental degradation can no longer be hidden or distracted from. His body is rapidly breaking down, laboring with simple tasks, hemorrhaging energy, and riddled with the unmistakable tells of a man whose systems are failing.
His already hate-addled mind is becoming more and more clouded in an ever-thickening haze of deterioration, drugs, and almost certain dementia. His outbursts have grown more impulsive, his decisions have become more desperate, and the once indestructible facade of strength is steadily crumbling.
The strongman is withering.
He is a lame duck president whose once fierce death grip on political power is giving way to neutered impotence and growing irrelevance.
The rapacious brutality of his regime is being exposed and condemned.
The groundswell of public opposition is growing louder and more organized.
The defections from his party are accelerating, their unwavering allegiance weakening.
His cockroach accomplices are scattering in the raking light of coming accountability.
His supposed social media army of support is proving to be made largely of foreign bot factories.
And there is no scenario in which his political power or cultic influence increases from here. It will all be an exercise in diminishing returns. He has peaked as a galvanizing presence, and there’s no GOP spin doctoring that can change that.
Whether he is taken by nature or by the Constitution, the gap left will be too expansive to fill, because although Trump didn’t create the unapologetic bigotry, or give birth to the unrepentant cruelty, or author the intellectual ignorance of the MAGA movement, he alone was the catalyst for it.
His bizarre carnival barker charisma, his curated mythology of financial success, his lowest-common-denominator soundbite sermonizing, and his lack of any moral requirements made him the singular human being to expose the worst of humanity.
He gave people permission to revel in the worst of their instincts, to give loud voice to their hidden hatreds, to discard their religious convictions, and to fully abandon empathy and decency.
And once he is gone, MAGA will be gone, too.
No, the tens of millions of Americans whose minds have been steadily poisoned by him, his willing political partners, compromised clergy, dudebro podcasters, opportunist internet vultures, and Fox News fakery will not suddenly awaken from their cultic stupor and join the rest of us in benevolent and interdependent humanity.
But they will never again have someone who embodies the zeitgeist of grotesque impulses the way Trump has. His sycophants, disciples, and cheerleaders will all be scattered in his absence, no longer able to rally around a singular presence. Their collective influence will slowly fade, and the cancerous movement they fed will die off.
This doesn’t mean the coming days will be easy or painless, likely just the opposite. Like a wounded and dying animal, he and his cadre of ghouls will become more violent, more desperate, and more committed to destruction.
But they know, as well as we do, that their time is short and that the clock on their stranglehold on this nation is ticking. That should strengthen our resolve, lift our spirits, and sturdy our steps.
Take heart, good people.
Time, gravity, and term limits are undefeated, and one way or another, the end of MAGA is near.
And the dawn of the promise of America will break once again."
libs really don't have an understanding of historical tendencies, systemic necessities, etc. it's all an eternal struggle between good vs evil
>>2647482I'll need to defend my own life against state police insanity before americans ever actually do anything useful. That's like the pipe dream scenario.
>>2647509>previously unspotted OCcomrade, please upload any leftypol OC you have which isn't already in the booru!
https://lefty.pictures >>2647525He'll live for another ten years
>>2647525I said it before but Trump doesn't seem replaceable. You can tell how desperately they are trying to find someone and no one seems to stick. But his toads and supporters never disappear. Dems are just as bad. But I do think Trump dying would be a massive blow to them. It would stagger them. It might be an opportunity. Maybe.
>>2647530That's because Trump is a rare type of bourgeois. The "born into wealth and swindling his way into fortune WHILE getting away with it media star" type.
>>2647528i mean its a little bit of an odd phrasing. more directly justice is dependent on material conditions determined by the mode of production which is in turn historically contingent. but the point is that an eternal static transhistorical idea of what is right or good does not exist from a materialist point of view. you can think that if you want to be an idealist or reject dialectics but then you arent a communist anymore.
if you think thats wrong please elaborate on why
>>2647521>>2647524I don't know which side is who anymore but I still think woke just served to push people away rather than developing consensus or evolving anyone's politics further towards the left. Which is why it gets called christfag behavior because it tried to moralize Capitalism's tendency of the bourgeois being "morally deviant" rather than focusing on their injustices towards the workers.
The injustice in our society is undeniable, but the Marxist identifies injustice under Capitalism and sees it as a matter of inevitability as the system rots from within, while the wokefag sees it as something that can be rectified to protect the whole of Capital without rocking the boat too much. They seem pretty much counter to eachother.
The "pipeline" is when wokepilled moralfags realize "actually capitalism is irredeemable and must be completely destroyed to stop Zionist Pedophile Bankers from hurting our children" and by that point they will abandon moralism entirely and fully embrace Dialectical Materialism. But a lot of times some misguided moralist virus remains in their brains and they can't get over their distaste for things like lolis, sexy women in video games, sex workers, fanservice in anime, violence in media, etc and scare people off with their weird judgemental takes on totally irrelevant topics, and I think this is counterproductive to the Left.
I just wish Leftists would stop trying to be the moral police, it's unbecoming and makes you look like a dweeb AND incorrect.
>>2647532What are we talking about? Justice as carried out by courts, justice as in the broader ethical domain, or a sense of justice as even social animals can feel?
Ok but where is the thread for moving to china and how hard is it? What if I want to be a coward and just live in the country that financially security so I can just grill for god's sake?
>noooo you have to stay and fight to save america from the corpo israel regime
Why I can see a sinking ship.
>>2647537You just go to reddit they have a sub just for moving there. If you're actually committed, it's hard to move anywhere really, but you can do it.
>>2647537you can probably find chinese women willing to do immigration fraud to swap citizenship with you. just visit any college in california.
>>2647537You could be spending your time right now studying Mandarin and in a few months you could search for Chinese answers to your question.
>>2647539Can you actually not apply for citizenship in china or is it a perma visa?
>>2647540When I go to China I will be one of those expats that refuses to learn the local language and uses their phone as a translator everywhere they go even after living there for 20 years. And they will like it.
>>2647541https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationality_law#Acquisition_and_loss_of_nationalitySeems like you can apply on paper but in practice its really hard. One loophole is Taiwanese nationals are automatically nationals of the PRC so you could try that route.
>>2647544>When I go to China I will be one of those expats that refuses to learn the local language and uses their phone as a translator everywhere they go even after living there for 20 years. And they will like it.Good luck with that!
>>2647536im talking about marx's critique of hegels philosophy of right. which according to my 1 second fact check hegel intended as a "comprehensive theory of justice" where right is freedom and justice is the framework that enables it. marx critiqued this as idealist for not considering the economic structure of the state as the material foundation that enables the capacity for free action as people are limited in their desire for freedom by real material constrains. hegel treats justice as a subject for itself, as an ideal separate from its material conditions and historical contingency.
>>2647535>But a lot of times some misguided moralist virus remains in their brains I agree and I think its extremely detrimental. I saw a thread the other day about vegans convincing other people to become vegan. Convincing people is not how this works. Political comes from the barrel of a gun. If you want everyone to be vegan or adopt green energy or stop burning fossil fuels or save the trees then you seize the state and regulate production through a workers dictatorship. Whining about how other people who want to kill you should just be nicer isn't going to work.
>>2647546The courts (institutions) are historically contingent of whatever mode of production they are in (feudal, capitalist). Ethical justice is contingent of human consciousness, which is part of evolutionary reality that also gave other apes a 'sense' of justice. No mode of production = no courts. No humanity = no ethics. No life on Earth = no sensation.
What are we talking about?
>>2647544In regards to a friend I know that moved to china recently he was saying he got his permanent resident visa and upon looking that up it looks hard to yet. Maybe I should just ask him what he did to get it.
>>2647548justice under a bourgeois dictatorship doesn't real so appealing to it is silly. sorry that you wanted to meme on DeSanctimonious and it didn't land. your pun about courts of justice conflates the two types of justice you now distinguish, the sense i mean in it, and in a general sense of "fairness", which has been critiqued as an appeal to morality. if communists have a morality under capitalism it is not a universal deontology but one of consequentialism. something is fair if it gets us closer to communism.
the education part of agitate organize educate does not come from lectures discourse or arguments but from practical demonstration. people wont just listen to words they have to see it to believe it. you dont change peoples minds by convincing them that an ideal justice is attainable you change their mind by getting them real justice in the real world. thats how you get them to join and how you separate comrades from enemies by learning who opposes it when the cards are on the table.
>>2647557>justice under a bourgeois dictatorship doesn't real so appealing to it is sillyThat's objectively untrue. "Justice" under capitalist courts is WAAAAAY better than getting burned as a witch in feudal Europe.
>two types of justice you now distinguishThree, actually. (American reading comprehension.)
>something is fair if it gets us closer to communism.You insist on moralizing communist politics. I will have none of that. I desire it, true, I rationally understand it to serve my class better, but it will be completely "unjust" towards our class enemies.
You are thoroughly Christ-cucked,m8.
>>2647548the entirety of political philosophy can be boiled down to "might makes right" and i'm tired of pretending otherwise.
justice only exists in the form of the 'haves' stomping over the 'have-nots'. either you have the power to enforce your justice or you don't and someone else's justice is enforced onto you instead. there is no justice without power. there is no morality without some form of punishment or reward mechanism or those who can enforce it.
if people are left to their own devices, the "natural order" is just seeking power and wielding it for one's own interests; whether your justice is beneficial to the group or to the individual is mostly due to material condition and not any higher philosophical ideals.
once again, terminally online nerds arguing about justice while wielding zero physical power is as laughable as teenagers in Model UN arguing about how the world should be run. it accomplishes nothing if you're unwilling to take the steps needed to achieve your justice. it's just masturbatory circlejerking.
>>2647413They look terrible, will look even more like ghouls with age and it's not reversable. It's a great investment for all rich people.
>>2647562You don't mobilize people by convincing them of an ideal. You mobilize them by engaging them in a collective struggle that materially improves their condition and, in doing so, demonstrates the necessity of communism. You give them a real, concrete experience of their own power (a small taste of "real justice"). That experience is the only true catalyst for class consciousness.
Praxis is the only true method. Theory is the guide, but the transformation of consciousness happens in shared material struggle. The "justice" that matters is not the verdict of a capitalist court, but the of seizing bread, halting an eviction, or shutting down a factory. It's in those moments that people learn, that comrades are forged, and that the path forward becomes clear.
Who has more class consciousness? The guy yelling ACAB or the chud who got bashed by a strike breaker? If your doing it right they are the same person.
>According to NBC, Trump has ordered Secretary of State Marco Rubio to draft a proposal to buy Greenland. Researchers preparing acquisition plans reportedly estimate the cost at $500-$700 billion – more than half of the Department of War’s annual budget.
Consider this scenario:
1. Denmark says "fuck it" and sells Greenland to the US for 700 billies
2. Greenland population riots
3. Trump sends in the military
4. we get more riot porn
5. Greenland becomes Puerto Rico 2.0
6. what now?
>>2647569I don't think Denmark would cave.
>>2647562>That's objectively untrue. "Justice" under capitalist courts is WAAAAAY better than getting burned as a witch in feudal Europe. Is it? You have basically the same legal process, and America's incarceration rate is higher than feudal europe's. you'd probably get along easier in feudal europe with a feudal understanding of justice, that is, the lord IS the law, than you would in America where every law is up to the whims of the arresting officer, the prosecutor, the DA, the whims of the court/judge, the political climate and its influence on the jury, and the whims of various politicians and your financial connections to them. America is just neo-feudalism under an opaque layer of rules and regulations that simply exist to confuse and take advantage of people who misguidedly believe in the legal system (and to enrich lawyers who study the scripture that lay people can't afford to). it's not much different from the medieval people accused of being witches who thought they could prove their innocence by simply invoking truth and reason and getting slapped in the face by religious circular reasoning being cited as if it's factual.
the law is a farce bro.
>>2647569And they act like they don't believe in climate change. Why the fuck would they entertain annexing Greenland at great financial and geopolitical cost if it didn't have minerals and waterways to plunder and exploit as the ice melts. I don't think they'll get what they want though, not during this administration anyway.
>>2647570the US military base in greenland is literally larger than the entire danish military, and NATO isn't allowed to get involved in disputes between NATO member states. what the fuck's denmark gonna do if america just starts shipping people to greenland and puts up an American flag?
>>2647574Threaten to make a motion to call america really rude at the next un meeting?
>>2647573they moved the goalposts from "not believing in climate change" to "climate change is real but not man-made and just part of earth's multi-billion year cyclical process of warming and cooling and we just happen to live in the 100 year period of rapid warming tehepero" like 20 years ago anon. even the most diehard MAGA started noticing the increasingly frequent natural disasters and farmers are acutely aware of the damage its been doing to their crops but are hoping if they keep voting red they'll get more farm subsidies to offload the economic damage.
>>2647544At this point they should just make a city for western leftoids to live in, like another Hong Kong, but they can get full citizenship for that city rather than just permanent residence and it’s easier to obtain. Maybe they can use a district of that super-centrally-planned ghost city Xiongan, or an artificial island or empty patch in Xinjiang or something.
>>2647578The carrier strike group is on its way from south chin sea and due to arrive in the Persian Gulf in a week. Last night everyone got excited but if it's coming then there'll be no warning.
ah fuck they tricked me into posting in the shit thread
>>2647580There would be genuinely be tens of thousands of leftists going there minimum if they didn’t have to learn a new language to live there, didn’t have to match up to high immigration requirements, and could actually acquire full citizenship. Enough for a town/district, or small city if there’s hundreds of thousands. Call it 外同志城 or something
>>2647580the problem is western leftoids will bring along reactionary western leftist political theory and china really doesn't want their political culture infected with american liberalism. americans have a tendency to show up to foreign countries and act like they run the place or try to relate the local culture to american politics/culture and it's fucking annoying to the locals.
>>2647584>There would be genuinely be tens of thousands of leftists going there minimum if they didn’t have to learn a new language to live there, didn’t have to match up to high immigration requirements, and could actually acquire full citizenship. Enough for a town/district, or small city if there’s hundreds of thousands. Call it 外同志城 or somethingThis is literally just Hong Kong(and to a lesser degree Taiwan) if they'd just lift the immigration requirements for non-billionaires it would be yellow fever leftoid sexpat paradise.
>>2647585>americans have a tendency to show up to foreign countries and act like they run the place Brits do the same in Eastern Europe. It's the ingrained colonialist culture, really.
>>2647585You still can’t actually get citizenship in Hong Kong though unless you marry a Chinese and work really really hard. I’m thinking of a city where foreigners can speak English and live amongst each other and get full citizenship relatively easily like America, but can only get permanent resident rights for the rest of China, e.g. can’t vote, get social welfare or apply for government jobs. That way they basically live in their own country within a country except they often travel or work in neighboring areas, like being a Singaporean who goes to neighboring Malaysia. There’s no need to be concerned about spreading liberalism because they won’t even speak fluent Chinese. There’s a lot of libfarts already in Shanghai anyway.
The benefit of this city would be in
1. Poaching a bunch of people from the west
2. An investment with positive returns by getting the tax dollars of the people in that city
3. Showing off what an effective socialist government could do for the West
Probably won’t happen tho
>>2647588It’d be like a little socialist version of an American city basically. Also another benefit would be to facilitate repatriation of 2nd/3rd gen Chinese who have acculturated to the point where they can’t speak their own language, this would be a English-speaking place they could move to(I know Hong Kong works for this too but it’s already super crowded so bringing more immigrants there is a bad idea)
>>2647449>The only thing you could call fascist about China is the internet censorship and banning porn but like…lol who cares.Explain it to me without the propaganda. Can I still use 4chan and fap to 2D porn with a VPN or will I get deported back to burger land?
>>2647590Yes, it’s technically illegal but never actually enforced, like the speed limits
>>2647562Americans have literally been raped to death in prison.
https://eji.org/news/alabama-man-daniel-williams-killed-after-days-long-assault-at-staton-prison/Might as well take out as many pigs as possible before subjecting yourself to capitalist "justice."
as a non american every time I visit this thread I am reminded at how americans will do nothing everytime.
>>2647590Well, we have users posting here from China (and IIRC Iran, and at least two from Mongolia). So I guess yes.
>>2647597We were just discussing that but we did get this:
>>2647475 >>2647602Well first of all the guy can't fucking talk. He either some kind of speech impediment or he's just stupid. It's a fucking hour long video. But I'm going to go ahead and assume the "fraud" is either made up or extremely overblown for obvious political reasons.
>>2647602The white dude is dysgenic looking. Shan’t be clicking your retarded eceleb video
>>2647585>americans have a tendency to show up to foreign countries and act like they run the placeMy favorites are the ones that expect everyone on the planet to speak English and get mad at people when they don’t. Even if they do, it’s polite to try and learn a little bit of the local language when you to another country, isn’t it?
>>2647214Would rather read schlockstack trash than your pseud ramblings.
>>2647448>justice is bourgeois brainrotIt is thoughbeit
>>2647462It would benefit everyone immensely if retards like you were “pushed away.”
>>2647602that guy who's been the main "investigator" for the fraud or whatever in the start of the video is fucking stuuuupid holy shit.
>if the national average for each company is 20 vehicles, I don't know where they park them because I don't see that many vehiclesYEAH YOU DIPSHIT! That's not how averages work! This guy doesn't understand basic fucking math and he's not an "investigator" or a journalist, he's just a racist idiot who thinks he has things figured out.
>>2647635It's honestly fucking incredible.
>walk up to a business where a transportation company is registered>it's not the transportation company, it's a money transfer place>"hey guys is this safaari transportation?">guy in the store: "uh no? This is the money transfer place, as you can tell by the fucking signs everywhere">retard youtuber: "this is clearly fraud"Like they didn't bother to check if the company dissolved, if they moved locations and didn't update the form, nor if they even received any funds at all recently. Not a single bit of diligence was actually applied here. Complete fucking dumbasses and they actually believe they're doing real work.
I'm in awe. It's the same intellect you see watching a lolcow like Outlaw or Jason Genova go about their day in velcro shoes filming fast food reviews.
so how are you guys prepared for climate change. Any preperations or are you just prepared to let things happen
>>2647654I plan to move to the idyllic republic of Mauritius and drink out of coconuts
>>2647646ancap dude be like:
>against all JUSTICE>all LAWS of war>LAWS of JUST warITT: proof that there are so called "American leftists" who share these very same bourgeois memes
>>2647278>enrique tarrio lmao, every fucking time
>>2647654>Any preperationsBesides being Mormon or belonging to some other tight nit yet large group with access to lots of resources and people to defend them there is very little you can do ahead of time.
Even if you went full prepper eventually you and your storage will be taken by the local warlord.
>>2647654>voluntarismI am just dieing
>>2647662you will die of bongkrekic acid poisoning from the coconut.
>>2647725and he will drown too, since the islands gonna get flooded
>>2647654Partying hard for now then killing myself when things get too real
>>2647728>>2647662Nihilistic idealism
>>2647016>liquidation of small capitalists to renovate capitalism.Bordiga predicted it.
>>2647040>implying there isn't a continuation between all those events >>2647646>I'm a libertarian and I love capitalism>how could capitalism do this?retard liberals should have learned by the 4th cycle of capitalism doing this that capitalism does this, each and every time
>>2647741>should havevoluntarism
>>2647736Oh my goodness
Oh my damn
Oh my goodness
He's going ham
>>2647736burgers are cooked
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>>2647288> there's no such thing as destiny, you're just alienating normal people by refusing to have good ideology because you've been infected with christfag brainrot and think your moral crusade is holy and righteous and therefore beyond human critique.Not that anon but it disagree with you. If you’re type to forgo economic liberation and anti-imperialism because you think the wokes will turn your video games sexless and bad which happened anyways without woke.Then youre a retard and that was going to become reactionary anyways. I do agree with you that wokeness was just repackaged christfaggtry for secular libs though. When I comes to the cultural war the most ardent of the wokes were just the mirror image of concerned Christian moms. Thinking they can make society “moral” through media. But in till 2016 there were no politics besides culture war, I don’t think wokeness was to blame for that but was just a byproduct of a post Soviet world. Another thing I disagree about is that wokeness wasn’t a set back, and if it was it wasn’t by much.
>>2647525>Few cults survive the passing of their leadersLiterally every religion in the world is a cult that survived the passing of its leader.
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>Two Republican senators — Sens. Thom Tillis (N.C.) and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) — plan to travel to Copenhagen on Friday to assure the Danish prime minister that there would be strong Republican opposition to any effort by Trump to use military force to seize Greenland.
>“I’m going to remind them that we have coequal branches of government and I believe that there [is a] sufficient number of members, whether they speak up or not, that are concerned with this,” Tillis said of Trump’s threats.
Not a very convincing argument after what happened in Greenland. There's a 'separation of powers' in name only
>>2647773will libs connect the dots?
>>2647665we get it. you don't believe in spooks. you are the epic post-spooks man who can always do the machiavelli thang and win… that's why you're winning
right now, right? WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. forces in the Caribbean Sea have seized another sanctioned oil tanker the Trump administration says has ties to Venezuela, part of a broader U.S. effort to take control of the South American country’s oil.
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem wrote Thursday on social media, “Motor Tanker Veronica had previously passed through Venezuelan waters, and was operating in defiance of President Trump’s established quarantine of sanctioned vessels in the Caribbean.”
A social media post from U.S. Southern Command on the capture said that Marines and sailors launched from the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford to make the capture while Noem’s post noted that, like in previous raids, a U.S. Coast Guard tactical team conducted the boarding and seizure.
https://apnews.com/article/venezuela-sanctioned-oil-tanker-seized-a415e247fca429b00b9fbcf6b6cd90a5A federal appeals panel on Thursday reversed a lower court decision that released former Columbia University graduate student Mahmoud Khalil from an immigration jail, bringing the government one step closer to detaining and ultimately deporting the Palestinian activist.
A three-judge panel of the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia instructed the lower court to dismiss Khalil’s habeas petition, a court filing that secured his release. The panel ruled that the federal district court in New Jersey did not have jurisdiction over the matter because immigration challenges are handled differently under the law.
In a 2-1 decision, the panel ruled that federal immigration laws require deportation challenges to be made by filing a petition for review of a final order of removal with a federal appeals court — not a lower-level district court.
https://apnews.com/article/mahmoud-khalil-protester-immigration-appeals-court-deportation-2b6d321d5157632412a82fba14eb3bd4>>2647782it's remarkable
how much political hay they make out of their scapegoats. It's remarkable how a crowd of fearful people get to hooting and hollering over an imaginary threat from a group of people who make up a very small percentage of the population and really pose no organized threat whatsoever and are constantly mocked by their persecutors and are even the subject of ridicule for their greater tendency to die by suicide… it's just pure hatred. They can say that they feel like "the family" is under threat by them, but the people they target are literally part of "the family" they claim to care so much about. They don't care about actual families, but the platonic ideal template of "the perfect family" that they have in their heads. This is the power of reactionary idealism. Any amount of violence against the Real is justifiable in the name of protecing the Imaginary
>>2647782when is this one from?
>>2647698this is like the most banal CIA story. wow they bribe.
>>2647728haha bruh. just move north to high elevation
Chinese Universities Surge in Global Rankings as U.S. Schools Slip
Harvard still dominates, though it fell to No. 3 on a list measuring academic output. Other American universities are falling farther behind their global peers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/us/harvard-global-ranking-chinese-universities-trump-cuts.html>>2647803>muh culture>muh educationMods rape this man
Democratic Texas state Rep. James Talarico is leading U.S. House Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas) in the Democratic Senate primary in Texas, polling released Thursday shows.
The Emerson College Polling/Nexstar Media survey found Talarico 9 points ahead among likely primary voters — 47 percent to Crockett’s 38 percent. Another 15 percent were undecided.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5689337-texas-senate-dem-primary-poll/>>2647803chinese capitalism will free us all!!1!
>>2647807Umm yikes sweaty, dont you know capitalism is communism when non-westerners do it?
>>2647811>Umm yikes sweaty, dont you know capitalism is communism when non-westerners do it?western capitalists: capitalism is socialism when non westerners do it
this is why we must CIA coup anyone who tries to be too competitive with us whether or not they are actually socialistwestern socialists: socialism is capitalism when non westerners do it
this is why we must denounce every single socialist revolution as not pure enough despite making no progress towards one ourselves >>2647814Props for admitting you're just capitalists but "eastern"
>>2647809so you admit it is capitalism and you don't even strive to achieve communism
>>2647765>Literally every religion in the world is a cult that survived the passing of its leader.in some situations the original "cult leader" (Judaism, Christianity) may or may not have not been a real historical figure. in other situations there was no original leader (hinduism, various indigenous religions). so this does not serve as a sound theory of the origin of religions.
>>2647819it's a "by your logic" statement. no "admissions" for you chuddy
>>2647531Trump took the ultra liberal superstar hustler route in Disco Elysium
>>2647822by marxist logic that might be
>>2647816i'm literally american. i just don't see the use about crowing how china isn't socialist enough. unless there's a course of action you can meaningfully take about it, like coup the "capitalist" chinese government and replace it with a "real" socialist government, but you lack the resources to do that and have not even yet won your own revolutionary civil war yet. So it's just whining about something you have no chance of influencing thousands of miles away.
>>2647825i've had this conversation 1000 times before. it grows boring. americans aren't going to "fix" china whether it's "fixing" it to be "more" capitalist (what our leaders want to do) or "fixing" it to be "truly socialist" (what people like you want to do). What's the use? Do shit here and now. Worry about global revolution once you actually have a national foundation to spread the revolution from.
Criticizing china is not it lads.
>waaah china isnt communist
So? Why dont you instead criticize the party?
american socialism will happen in the next 50 years. Mark my words
>>2647826it doesnt take much effort to simply state china is a capitalist nation and it helps clarify what socialism is and isn't
>>2647829not american+china is capitalist
>>2647832screencapping this
>>2647829also you people always whine about how people should building socialism instead of criticizing china (capitalist btw) when many china dickriders use it's supposed socialism as an excuse to do nothing and just wait for china to free them
ICE is bait to stop people from organizing. The working class can’t organize if they are outside marching and protesting against ICE. Best strategy is to ignore them and organize your workplace
>>2647852Its up to da party. Without da party you cant do le shit. Also, you cant force spontaneous workers organizations methinks. Or are you le lone hero gonna singlehandedly start le unionization of your workplace?
>>2647861Armchair escaping le sinking shit of le opportunism
>>2647865no, criticizing communism makes you american, silly ESL latam
>>2647834>it doesnt take much effort to simply state china is a capitalist nation and it helps clarify what socialism is and isn't
<What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Accordingly, the individual producer receives back from society – after the deductions have been made – exactly what he gives to it […] He receives a certificate from society that he has furnished such-and-such an amount of labor (after deducting his labor for the common funds); and with this certificate, he draws from the social stock of means of consumption as much as the same amount of labor cost. The same amount of labor which he has given to society in one form, he receives back in another […] But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor […] But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society […] In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly – only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm >>2647869It's no use latams are generally allergic to theory, it's all vibes based
ultras should just wait for the eventually american socialist revolution.
American socialism will have a different character than the chinese one
>>2647830even doing that is chauvinist. I'd rather defer to the Chinese proletariat on the issue of whether they want regime change from well-meaning American "socialists" (they don't).
>>2647867>criticizing communismchina is capitalist tho
what's a latam?
China isnt socialism or capitalism, its schrodingerism.
A capitalist nation when the poster is dooming and a socialist nation when the poster is hopepilled.
>>2647881i disagree. cowboy individualists who overthrew every socialist regime know socialism better.
>>2647874>regime changeno one has even suggested this retard
>>2647855China very clearly has a capitalist economy, but this doesn't mean it has a bourgeois government or isn't engaged in some form of socialist construction.
china's basically achieved eight of the ten point minimal program outlined in ch 2 of the communist manifesto even after their retreat to the market. they liberalized their economy, got rid of equal liability to work, brought back inheritance, and they're still like a century or more ahead of the west in social organization of political economy.
>>2647882>do you absolute braindead apes realize this does not happen at all in china?fuck? really? I guess they are capitalist then.
picks up phoneHello? CIA? I need another regime change, pronto! I'll take a Double Triple No-Bossy Deluxe on a Hammer, 4x4 Mao style, extra sickles with a wheat laurel and a fist, light tank tread grease; make it sing the internationale, raise it high, and let it wave.
>>2647874we get it bro you live vicariously through others and complain you can go to another platform more your speed like instagram or facebook now
>>2647888>capitalist economyif you want accuracy you should be saying 'commodity production economy', a 'capitalist economy' implies Porky has exclusive ownership and control of surplus value and re-investment
>>2647852that framing is retarded. it is not "bait" to stop people from organizing, it is simply the mechanism by which they stop people from organizing. what are people supposed to organize around if not the immediate goal of getting ICE out? directly confronting them is kind of the only option because ICE is going to kidnap their friends and family anyway. why are you being such an obtuse retard?
>>2647882Babbys first time reading theory, so cute
>>2647897>capitalism is when bourgeoisieBut phase D? But Engels?
>>2647897I don't get why people just can't say mixed economy and call it a day like semi-feudalism wasn't already a fairly common economic system in the global south in the early 20th century.
>>2647882Why dont you read all of it and come back? As in all of gothacritic
>>2647901nobodies saying porky doesnt exist
>>2647903because then every country would be a mixed economy like brazil owning Petrobras, its a useless definition
>>2647179You’re going to end up like Winston with an attitude like that, breathlessly waiting for help that will never come.
>>2647855>china isn’t a capitalist country Even if you’re not Amerikkkan, you’re spiritually retarded like an Amerikkkan who watches fox news
>>2647179Why would anyone seek help from a nation to weak and scared to invade Taiwan and too cowardly to defend Palestinians being actively genocided?
>>2647179not worried about that, single country will be interfering with the american civil war when it starts, with foreign sponsors on every side. it'll be a global spectacle for the rest of the world to eat popcorn to, very american-like
>>2647897>a 'capitalist economy' implies Porky has exclusive ownership and control of surplus value and re-investmentNo it doesn't. All capitalist economies have classic capitalist ownership existing alongside other forms (e.g. state ownership, co-ops, etc). Private property, market allocation, generalized commodity production, and wage labour are all dominant within the Chinese economy, even if there is extensive state intervention and planning as well. Again, this doesn't mean that China is not on a path of socialist construction, but it means that currently they have not transcended the capitalist mode of production.
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>>2647915Why do people say that Socialism in one coutry is not a thing? How come? Why tho?
>>2647917No, we’re not done in here
>>2647897state intervention is key in capitalist development and the differentiation between the bourgeois state and individual bourgeois is irrelevant considering both follow the directives of capital
>>2647906and it implies socialism is when the state does things
>>2647906I don't think the simple presence of SoEs is why it's mixed. Stuff like SWRCs,Rural cooperatives and the new employee assembly laws are what I would consider lower stage socialism in the PRC.
>>2647916>this doesn't mean that China is not on a path of socialist construction>all available evidence points to it but the opposite could still be truecopium
>>2647916you're just repeating yourself. nobody is saying there isn't elements of capitalism in China and that it doesn't have an economic base connected to capitalism, but this:
>Again, this doesn't mean that China is not on a path of socialist construction, but it means that currently they have not transcended the capitalist mode of production.is exactly what makes it not strictly a 'capitalist' country lmao
>>2647933you could say that about every capitalist country in the world
>>2647933But they’re by no means doing anything to transcend their pure capitalist superstructure, thus making them strictly capitalist.
>>2647947no. brazil is a bourgeois-led society, so its ownership of petrobras is led with considerations for bourgeois society only. China being under one-party-rule under a workers dictatorship means China is a worker-led society, so its ownership and re-investment of the means of production is led with considerations for worker society only
>>2647963thats not true at all the ccp has been doing since deng is developing capitalism even without billionaires in their party they'd still be a bourgeois party since their ruler is capital
>>2647845> just wait for china to free themI never see anyone say this that isn’t half joking. Autists can’t read between the lines.
>>2647832In the next 10 years at this rate
>>2647871theory is just vibes but more verbose
American: Collectivism le bad
Trve?
>>2647525I guarantee that hardcore MAGA will find ways to believe that trump is not dead.
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