4,370 CONFIRMED DEADOrder Prevails in Tehran - eddieshin
Previous threads:
https://archive.ph/dDpTNhttps://archive.ph/5s7Ekhttps://archive.ph/1Rvi8>>2645841 (archive it when it's full)
Quick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
Recent reports from the streets by Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist) translated from Farsi (Jan. 7-13)
>The Iranian people do not need a military attack by American bombers, nor do they need international criminals to intensify sanctions and attack their livelihoods for freedom, prosperity, and equality, to be free from the clutches of the Islamic Republic. Lifting sanctions, preventing a military attack on Iran, and cutting off the hands of international criminals from their lives and struggles is the demand of tens of millions of people in Iran and the demand of their freedom-seeking movement.
>After two weeks of protests in Iran and their spread to various cities, the Islamic Republic has taken extensive measures against the protesting people under the pretext and relying on Mossad’s claims of its interference. The Internet shutdown in Iran, the arrival of the army to confront the protesting people and the loss of a large number of protesters and deprived people, threats to government leaders from the Supreme Leader’s Office to the judiciary and widespread arrests, attacks on hospitals and house-to-house raids, and all-out propaganda by the state media and attributing the protests to the people’s rights to Mossad, introducing every protester as a Mossad spy and their agents, have created serious dangers.
>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition, pushing back this movement and blinding its radical and freedom-loving horizon. One is by ordering an “uprising” and turning the protests into street fighting and terrorizing it, and the other is by suppressing them under the pretext of Mossad’s interference and confronting it!
>To Communists: come to the streets to prevent the protests from turning into bloodshed and to ensure their progress!
>Marginal forces whose efforts to ride the wave of protests have failed and do not have the social power to divert mass protests have officially today set the policy of bloodletting in the protests to their agenda by launching mercenary and armed gangs against their opponents, declaring an armed uprising, and prematurely bringing weapons to the field in the protests. These forces, along with the apparatus of repression and the internal gangs of the Islamic Republic, are the ones who are responsible for bloodletting in the protests and the lives of the people.
>The Rajavi sect has issued an order for an armed uprising and the capture of military bases. It is as if the "rebel centers" of the Mujahideen are going to "liberate the cities and then hand them over to the local councils"!
>There is no doubt that this heavily armed regime will ultimately be overthrown in an armed uprising. There is no doubt that the people who rise up and protest have the right to use any means and weapons to defend themselves and defeat the enemy. But sending young people to war prematurely is deliberately taking them to the slaughterhouse and mass protests.
>The movement and uprising of the hungry is going its own way and, independent of the small and large insects of reaction, with vigilance and open eyes, it is organizing, uniting and nationwide its protest and struggle, protecting its activists and leaders, and building its own future. Ensuring this is the work of us communists, the work of radical and freedom-loving activists.Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils! (Jan. 12)
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/Joint statement of Worker-Communist Parties of Iraq and Kurdistan (Jan. 7)
>The protests come amidst profound political transformations in the region and a clear decline in Iranian influence, which had expanded in recent years through militias and their allies, relying on funds looted from the working class and the welfare of the lranian masses. In the same vein, American imperialism, known for its bullying and unwavering support for fascist regimes, foremost among them the state of lsrael, is attempting to market itself as a defender of human rights and a supporter of the demands of the lranian masses, by brandishing the threat of blatant intervention, as recently occurred in Venezuela the two Communist Workers' Parties in Iraq and Kurdistan, while declaring their full solidarity and support for the just demands of the lranian working class and the masses yearning for freedom and dignity simultaneously warn against relying on American policies or allowing its intervention which plays a role in providing the lranian regime with pretexts to escalate its repression of the protesters.
>Any real change, any tangible improvement, and any victory for the protests in lran depends on maintaining their independence, separating their ranks from American imperialist policies, and preserving their class and popular unity.>Long live the working class of Iran>Long live the just demands of the Iranian people for freedom and equalityhttps://wp-iraq.com/الى-الامام-273Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR the protestors are imperialists the state is antiimperialist
shrimple as
>Alamut is an original symphonic and multimedia spectacle by Laibach based on a famous story from eleventh-century Persia, as told by the Slovene writer Vladimir Bartol (1903 – 1967), born in Trieste, in his 1938 novel of the same title. The central character is Hassan-i Sabbāh, the charismatic religious and political leader of the Nizari Ismailis and the founder of a mysterious military formation known as the Assassins, whose name is still feared and respected today. Hassan-i Sabbāh is a self-proclaimed prophet who leads a holy war against the Seljuk Empire from his eyrie – the castle of Alamut. Alamut examined the mechanisms of propaganda at the time when Bartol, a member of Slovenian minority in Trieste, where he lived, was witnessing the rise of fascism in Italy. The motto "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" as the supreme principle of the Ismailis and the central idea of the novel, which, in the spirit of European Machiavellianism and the rise of fascism (the novel was published in 1938 and sarcastically dedicated to Benito ᴉuᴉlossnW), is based on the denial of all doctrines and traditions, and expresses the most radical philosophical scepticism, nihilism, and cynicism. The motto is explicitly repeated several times in the novel, and is also used by Bartol as the maxim of the book. In the light of the chaotic values, the flood of contradictory information that rules the world and the destructive wars of aggression that are strangling our time, this motto has perhaps never been more relevant than today.
>In Laibach’s Alamut, the ideas of radical nihilism interweave with the classical Persian poetry of Omar Khayyam, the sensual verses of Mahsati Ganjavi blend with minimalist orchestral colours derived from Iranian tradition. Hassan-i Sabbāh’s propaganda mechanism are echoed in the industrial principle of the workings of the orchestra and Laibach’s unique sound.
>Laibach created the project with the help of the English non-profit organisation a/political and in collaboration with Iranian composers and musicians. Individual parts of the composition were contributed by Luka Jamnik in collaboration with Idin Samimi Mofakham and Nima Atrkar Rowshan. The historic symphony had its world premiere on 5 and 6 September 2022 in the Križanke Auditorium at the Ljubljana Festival.
ON THE DEATH TOLL
>Iran is claiming its security forces suffered TWICE the casualties of the last protests yet killed only HALF the protesters
>HRANA operated in Iran for years before the government kicked them out
>the group still maintains numerous links in Iran
>HRANA figures last protests matched the final stated government numbers
>Another prominent org based in Norway [IHR] reported a similar figure
>the blackout continues to this hour
Let the cope commence
Where are you guys getting your information? Everything I have read online screams like CIA glow shit packed as a press briefing.
>Arak Soviet
Two words that assraped the western left
>>2649256>the protesters killed were 30-50% students, 20-30% p-bourg, and the rest workers.So… where did you get these statistics?
>>2649257by looking at protest vids, looking at age
>>2649256>In most likely reality: the protesters killed were 30-50% studentsthe average iranian family is too poor for this to even be remotely true
what is even the point of making a post like this? are you proud of yourself? like how your life and being turned out?
>>2649259>I made them up Oh okay then.
>>2649265
>this is like starting a revolution against Stalin in the middle of WWII
Fuck off Trotskyist
>>2649261If the average Iranian family is so poor, they literally have no means to even begin to participate in protests.
The ONLY people who have the socio-economic freedom to participate in the protests are:
1) Students (living off state and family GIBS);
2) p-bourg (living off of workers);
3) the rest are high-skilled or managerial workers who have the means, salaries, and free time to participate in such activities.
Iran killed protesters, true, of which 0.1% were actual workers.Thank you for your NATO for this matter.
>>2649265
How do you ever expect an independent revolutionary vanguard to develop if you fall in line behind the ruling class every time it is threatened by the ruling class of another country?
>>2649262
Phrenology
>>2649267>If the average Iranian family is so poor, they literally have no means to even begin to participate in protests.this literally does not make sense
>>2649271
christopher hitchens was pro-war on terror (AES war according to the Islamists)
>>2649262
ASSHOLE FUCKING BITCH. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO FOR 10 THREADS STRAIGHT CLAIMED THAT LE IRAN REGIME WAS KILLING WORKERS. I ASKED YOU AGAIN-AND-AGAIN HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THIS SHIT AND YOU DIDN'T RESPOND. YOU HAVE NO SOURCES ON THE CLASS-MAKEUP OF THE PROTESTS, NOR DO I, YET IT IS YOU WHO KEEPS INSISTING THAT THIS IS """SOMEHOW""" A PROLETARIAN REVOLUTION WHERE ONLY PROLETARIANS ARE BEING KILLED!
HOW SHAMELESS AND HOW CIA-GLOWIE-PILLED CAN ONE BE TO KEEP PUSHING THIS NARRATIVE LIKE YOU DO, YOU DISGUSTING GULAG-ABLE LITTLE BITCH?!
>>2649272Shut it chud go back to the oil rig for the glory of shia islam and israel
>>2649276
>just give up
>>2649275average leftist goes insane from seeing protests suppressed in the third world
>no one commented on the detailed Hekmatist reports from the fucking streets in OP
this thread reeks of western multipoltard basements
>>2649283
>It’s called recognizing primary vs secondary contradictions
Take it up with Iranian communists on the streets.
>>2649283
A revolution can never be brought about, can never even become a possibility, if the working class is urged constantly to defend its rulers because of ‘the primary contradiction’ and other such mystifying garbage.
Taking this to its logical conclusion, this line of yours means suspending class struggle everywhere for fear that a foreign power will take advantage.
You have deluded yourself into thinking like this
>>2649286
>jihadist takeover
literally already happened
>>2649288
>man posting safely on the internet while they deride people getting machine gunned in the street
PROOF OF (((GLOWIE))) NARRATIVE:(from OP:)
https://archive.ph/dDpTN#selection-1241.0-1241.82> Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital
<They put themselves in this position and now they want to guilt trip us while they murder more workers?
<"Killing workers is morally wrong" vs "I dont want workers killed"
<bourgeoisie massacre their workers in the name of le resistance
<Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.https://archive.ph/5s7Ek<Killing workers in the streets, bending to the west in the sheets - edish
<Workers always suffer first and foremost in a capitalist economic crisis
<The only poc itt are the ones against the massacre of Iranian workers
<kills thousands of workers in the name of anti-americanism
<why should the Iranian workers side with parties that surrender to a government that murders thousands of them.(etc. I only looked up half of OP's archived results, THERE'S MUCH, MUCH MORE ON THIS SAME THEME!)
SO I ASK YOU, LITERAL FUCKING NATO-SHILL, WHO CLAIMS THAT THE IRANIAN GOVERMENT KILLS "WORKERS" – WHERE IS YOUR CLASS DATA COMING FROM?! HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THE PROTESTERS AREN'T MAJORITY STUDENTS (not workers) OR P-BOURG (also not workers)?!PRESENT YOUR FUCKING DATA, YOU FUCKING IMPERIALIST SHILL! Recent reports from the streets by Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist) translated from Farsi (Jan. 7-13)
I'm posting this again so the illiterate libshits can read and find all their concern trolling responded to by actual Iranian communists on the streets
>The Iranian people do not need a military attack by American bombers, nor do they need international criminals to intensify sanctions and attack their livelihoods for freedom, prosperity, and equality, to be free from the clutches of the Islamic Republic. Lifting sanctions, preventing a military attack on Iran, and cutting off the hands of international criminals from their lives and struggles is the demand of tens of millions of people in Iran and the demand of their freedom-seeking movement.
>After two weeks of protests in Iran and their spread to various cities, the Islamic Republic has taken extensive measures against the protesting people under the pretext and relying on Mossad’s claims of its interference. The Internet shutdown in Iran, the arrival of the army to confront the protesting people and the loss of a large number of protesters and deprived people, threats to government leaders from the Supreme Leader’s Office to the judiciary and widespread arrests, attacks on hospitals and house-to-house raids, and all-out propaganda by the state media and attributing the protests to the people’s rights to Mossad, introducing every protester as a Mossad spy and their agents, have created serious dangers.
>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition, pushing back this movement and blinding its radical and freedom-loving horizon. One is by ordering an “uprising” and turning the protests into street fighting and terrorizing it, and the other is by suppressing them under the pretext of Mossad’s interference and confronting it!
>To Communists: come to the streets to prevent the protests from turning into bloodshed and to ensure their progress!
>Marginal forces whose efforts to ride the wave of protests have failed and do not have the social power to divert mass protests have officially today set the policy of bloodletting in the protests to their agenda by launching mercenary and armed gangs against their opponents, declaring an armed uprising, and prematurely bringing weapons to the field in the protests. These forces, along with the apparatus of repression and the internal gangs of the Islamic Republic, are the ones who are responsible for bloodletting in the protests and the lives of the people.
>The Rajavi sect has issued an order for an armed uprising and the capture of military bases. It is as if the "rebel centers" of the Mujahideen are going to "liberate the cities and then hand them over to the local councils"!
>There is no doubt that this heavily armed regime will ultimately be overthrown in an armed uprising. There is no doubt that the people who rise up and protest have the right to use any means and weapons to defend themselves and defeat the enemy. But sending young people to war prematurely is deliberately taking them to the slaughterhouse and mass protests.
>The movement and uprising of the hungry is going its own way and, independent of the small and large insects of reaction, with vigilance and open eyes, it is organizing, uniting and nationwide its protest and struggle, protecting its activists and leaders, and building its own future. Ensuring this is the work of us communists, the work of radical and freedom-loving activists.
>>2649294
if iran didn't want protests maybe they shouldn't have spent billions on trying to make nukes while the people eat cardboard
>>2649297 >the Islamic Republic has taken extensive measures against the protesting people under the pretext and relying on Mossad’s claims of its interference>Mossad’s claims of its interferenceWord
Holy fuck I love Iranian commies
>>2649295>WHERE IS YOUR CLASS DATA COMING FROMyou are mentally ill
class isn't a gene and since the protests happened from their currency literally becoming worthless it stand to reason that workers, people who rely on wages to survive, are taking issue with that
this delerium of yours is self inflicted
>>2649300but they have the money for nuclear programs and weapons to arm random cliques in the MENA, if they've got money for war they've got money for the people but that's not how it works because they're a bourgeois state
>>2649302you are talking about people who are angry that their money is worth literally nothing now
Reminder if the protests dont demand nukes delivered straight to Pissrael and Amerikkka then they are glowies, btw why do we still have a thread, there is no "soviet" being formed and the protest died down.
>>2649305Where is your data that proves that the Iranian government is killing MORE workers (proletarians) than students (non-proletarians) or p-bourg (non-proletarians)?
PRESENT YOUR DATA, IMPERIALIST BITCH! >>2649312the fact you're even trying to weigh the populations outs you as a liberal, communists don't care about the majority or what "society" wants, the working class is a minority in the first world but they're still the revolutionary class.
since iran is a capitalist nation and is also a fucking shithole with their currency currently worth nothing the working class will inevitably take issue with their disastrous conditions
maybe you should take your histrionics to someone who will entertain it
>>2649316>I have no actual data>I JUST KNOW!!!!!!3 years torture
5 years gulag
1 bullet in the head afterwards
Iranians Communists think IRGC and Mossad are on the same camp (against workers)
>>2649304In no other context will Iran take Mossad's claims at face value but they do it because the Mossad (knowingly) is giving them pretext for repression.
I ask IRGC apologists, why is Iran trusting and citing the Mossad? and why is the Mossad openly jeopardizing its supposed operation?
DEAFENING SILENCE! IT IS BECAUSE THIS IS A CLASS WAR AGAINST THE IRANIAN PROLETARIAT
>>2649319>I JUST KNOWits called basic logic, how could a social strata who rely on wages to live not take issue with their wages becoming worthless
>>2649320>Whats wrong with having nuclear energy? Whats wrong with having nukes? Whats wrong with them supporting groups that damage Pissrael? its billions of dollars being spent on making war while people live on scraps
>>2649325
Is it cool to kill students
>>2649323present a SINGLE (1, that is ONE) source that offers class analysis of the protesters.
>>2649326dont bother listening to islamist reactionaries
>>2649327Like the four statements by local communist orgs in OP?
notice how we moved from
"good workers being killed"
to
"b-but what about good students being killed?!"
notice the desperation in the glowie narrative
>>2649325>>2649329this poster is what this site and online leftism is btw for anyone browsing this thread, some weirdo sitting on a computer being mentally ill as a pastime
>>2649327take their past protests which saw iranian workers councils launch strikes and seize factories, or yk just basic common sense in regards to deplorable economic conditions
>>2649332you are tamed cattle
>>2649332
persia will be free ✊️
keep coping
>>26493341. Where is your data proving that the protesters are majority workers instead of other classes?
2. see: 1.
>>2649335>and by "free" I mean comprador-ruledhueheueue
>>2649335literal fucking CIA agent, btw
>>2649333trips of retardation
>>2649326>if China crumbled upon Tea-Ammon-Mong-Square:Eastern-Europe-tier economy, literal comprador faux economy and faux democracy
<Since China didn't crumble:World Power.
Further questions, CIA?
>>2649338>>2649339>>2649344you are supporting the murder of iranians by their own government. you are not the good guys. sorry. 🤷♂️
>>2649299You really think their ruling class would be better off bending over for israel and amerikkka?
>>2649336>Where is your data proving that the protesters are majority workerseven if they weren't a communist wouldn't care, see
>>2649316only liberals care about 'the majority'
>>2649338you are a conspiracy theorist, in that when you see someone benefiting from a situation you believe that they are the reason the situation is happening, you genuinely are incapable of perceiving iranians as living humans capable of choice and thought
>>2649352i don't give a fuck what would be better for the ruling class
>>2649351>murder of iraniansyou moved the goalpost from "murder of workers" (specific class category) to a general "murder of iranians" (which includes Iranian p-bourg, lumpen, and haute bourgeoisie – all of which is based in the imperialist context).
In this exact sense, I 100% support the "murder of Iranians" which means:
<murder of p-bourg, student, lumpen elements who wish to install a comprador regime999999999% >>2649344He is a third worldist making a strawman since he can't quote anyone here who supporters shitsrael kek
>>2649351>good guysliteral Hillary Clinton-tier geopol analysis
>>2649350With china you could at least make the argument that it's ruled by our team, that's not the case in iran, american leftoids will defend any random regime keeeek
>>26493541. provide class data of the protestors and those killed, OR:
2. get labelled a glowie.
no third options, m8
>>2649364provide the class data of Iranian protestors being killed or be justifiably labeled a NATO/CIA shill
>>2649363>Only libs talk in terms of agencyonly on this site could critical thought be considered a CIA plot
>>2649365>provide class data of the protestors and those killedclass data isn't a thing and noone can provide anything since the state has cut all communications cause they're panicking
you're just another weird leftist on the internet, what you label anything is of no conscience to anyone
>>2649354Why do you post in leftypol if you don't care about what the ruling class thinks ninja, mine wasn't a rhetorical question so please answer in english if you actually unironically think iranese rulers are not considering the dilemma of self-defense against amerikkka or placating their own people, and if you think it is verboten to compromise on this even when under siege by great powers
>>2649374why would a communist care about what is beneficial to the ruling class? they can all commit suicide
> Why do you post in leftypol if you don't care about what the ruling class thinks ninjai like seeing people here cope with whats happening and try to rationalise it
>>2649371leftypol is not nearly important enough to be shilled by nato imperialists. Regardless of what you say i just don't care to apologize for state violence and i'm here for whatever news come through from iranian unions and workers councils through the internet blockade
>>2649379provide the data that proves your claim that Iran is killing "workers" instead of idiotic students, p-bourgs, and lumpens,
RIGHT NOW are the protests even still going on?
>>264938o
>leftypol is not nearly important enough to be shilled by nato imperialists
<shills NATO imperialist narratives for free tho
interdasting
>>2649383SORRY, DO YOU HAVE MEANT TO SAY "THE 999% WORKER LED REVOLUTION IS STILL GOING ON?%BECAUSE THAT IS TOTALLY HAPPENING!
IRANIAN WORKERS ARE SETTING UP SOVIETS AS WE SPEAK AND NOBODY –
ABSOLUTELY NOBODY – ON THE GROUND SERVES THE US INTERESTS!!!!!!!!!
>>2649383They haven't turned the internet back on
90% of killed are Iranian workers.
No, I don't need to provide proof.
I only need to turn this "leftist space" against a sovereign country.
Simple as.
>>2649381i already have in regards to worker contribution to past protests and the fact that workers have to be affected by their currency becoming worthless
the lasts posts by the iranian oil workers councils before communications were cut is them supporting the protests as they did every other wave of protest
۱۷ دی :تجمع مشترک همکاران پارس جنوبی و مردم در بندر کنگان
هفدهم دیماه همکاران ما در دو پالایشگاه پارس جنوبی و کنگان در همبستگی با اعتراضات مردمدر کف خیابان و دراعتراض به مشکلات معیشتی خود با تاکید بر حذف پیمانکاران و جمع شدن بساط مافیایی آنها تجمع کردند. همکاران اعلام کردند تا وقتی پاسخ نگیرند به اعتصاب خود ادامه میدهند. این اعتصاب امروز عصر به تجمع مشترک مردم و همکاران ما در بندرکنگان انجامید. نیروهای سرکوب به تظاهرات مردم و کارگران معترض یورش بردند و اعتراض ادامه دارد.
شورای سازماندهی اعتراضات کارگران پیمانی نفت همکاران شاغل در صنعت نفت را به همبستگی با همکاران دو پالایشگاه پارس جنوبی و کنگان و اعتراضات مردمی که شهرهای بسیاری را در بر گرفته فرامی خواند. متحد و یکپارچه علیه وضعیت اسفناک معیشتی حاکم که درد جامعه است کار را متوقف کنیم و این بار نیز همراه با خانواده هایمان به میدان بیاییم.
بر آزادی فوری بازداشت شدگان این اعتراضات تاکید کنیم و سرکوب و تهاجم به تجمعات مردم معترض و به قتل رساندن مردم بیگناه که جانشان از فقر و تبعیض و محرومیت به لب رسیده است را قاطعانه محکوم کنیم.
January 17: Joint gathering of South Pars colleagues and people in Kangan Port
On January 17, our colleagues in the two South Pars and Kangan refineries gathered on the street in solidarity with the protests of the people and in protest of their livelihood problems, emphasizing the elimination of contractors and the gathering of their mafia. The colleagues announced that they would continue their strike until they received an answer. This strike led to a joint gathering of the people and our colleagues in Kangan Port this evening. The repressive forces attacked the demonstrations of the people and protesting workers, and the protest continues.
The Council for Organizing the Protests of Contract Oil Workers calls on colleagues working in the oil industry to stand in solidarity with the colleagues of the two South Pars and Kangan refineries and the public protests that have engulfed many cities. Let us unite and stop work against the deplorable living situation that is the pain of society, and this time let us also come to the field with our families.
We emphasize the immediate release of those arrested in these protests, and we firmly condemn the repression and attacks on protest gatherings and the killing of innocent people whose lives are at risk from poverty, discrimination, and deprivation.
https://t.me/shoranaftwhy do you act like this? are you happy and proud of the person you've turned out to be?
>>2649286
The current Iranian government are by definition jihadist lol
>>2649392Truth hydrogen bomb
>>2649380If this were the 80s you would have completely fallen for Solidnarsc
>>2649393>still has no proof of an outrageous claimIn reality, 99% of Iranian protesters are
workers Santa Claus!
>>2649393>elimination of contractors and the gathering of their mafiaMLibs: protesters want LE NEOLIBERALISM
Protesters: we want nationalization death the neolib regime
Reminder that Iran is selling its oil industry to western contractors while workers strike against it
https://www.iranoilgas.com/companies/listforeign>>2649395well thank you, comrade
>>2649398>Protesters: we want nationalization death the neolib regimewhere did the supposed "worker" majority protesters disappear, anon? previously you were 100% sure that they were workers, and now you just shit up this thread.
curious >>2649396if leftypol was in the 80s you know exactly the same characters here would have fallen for the NED, Gene Sharp
>>2649299>Just give up on your nuke program bro, we'll totally lift the sanctions that starve your people and we wont invade you pinky promise Are the followers of the Arak Soviet really this retarded?
WANT:
1) privatization of the economy;
2) uncritical opening up to the West;
3) unregulated influx of multinational company's products!
^ are these "demands" typically proletarian?
^ are these "demands" typically student-based?
^ are these "demands" typically petty-bourgeois?
^ are these "demands" typically comprador bourgeois
Answer, pseud!
>>2649407brought up the nuke program to show how dumb the sanctions line is, they have money for missiles while people live on pennies, the communist position here is to call upon the workers of the United States and other competitors to paralyse their own nation’s action - that is, revolutionary defeatism. Communist revolution is a problem which can only be solved internationally
but people here do not believe that's possible so they opt for being nationalists, so instead of opposing American imperialism the proletarian way people here would rather defend the islamic republic of iran, a nation that is machine gunning people in the street and has a policy of executing communists
How long will Iranians have to wait for the proletariat of other countries to launch an armed rebellion or uprising or whatever?
>>2649396Solidarnosc grew out of a workers movement with justified demands at first. The government kept ignoring these, declared martial law, and let things rot until the movement was successfully coopted by catholic liberals, then they acquiesced. So it wouldn't matter who I would support given that pzpr and cuckruzelski would have made every wrong choice imagineable anyway
>>2649411the world isn't living up to our expectations? wow isn't life so hard and unfair
>>2649390they have over 50k starlink terminals provided by the us government
Guys, are any of you here members of communist orgs?
>>2649411>how long 'till the Iran gets imperializedthey are already
Scoop: Mossad director visits U.S. for Iran consultations
The director of Israel's Mossad spy agency, David Barnea, arrived in the U.S. on Friday morning for talks on the situation in Iran, according to an Israeli source and another source with knowledge of the meeting.
Why it matters: Barnea's visit is part of the consultations between the U.S. and Israel over the protests in Iran and possible U.S. military action in response to the regime's crackdown.
Barnea is expected to meet in Miami with White House envoy Steve Witkoff, who is managing the direct channel of communication between the U.S. and Iran.
Witkoff has been in touch with Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, during the protests.
It's not yet clear whether Barnea will meet President Trump in Mar-a-Lago over the weekend.
Driving the news: Barnea's trip follows a phone call on Wednesday between Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the Iran crisis.
During the call, Netanyahu asked Trump to hold off on military action against Iran to give Israel more time to prepare for potential Iranian retaliation.
An Israeli source said that in addition to concerns about retaliation, the current U.S. plan includes strikes on security force targets in Iran, but is not seen by Israel as strong enough to meaningfully destabilize the regime.
U.S. officials say military action is still on the table if Iran resumes the killing of protesters. Israeli officials think that despite the delay, a U.S. military strike could take place in the coming days.
What to watch: The U.S. military is sending additional defensive and offensive capabilities to the region to be ready in case Trump orders a strike, U.S. sources say.
The Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier and its strike group are making their way to the Middle East from the South China Sea.
More air defense systems, fighter jets and possibly submarines are also expected to arrive in the region.
The intrigue: When he reached out to Witkoff, Araghchi proposed a meeting and the resumption of nuclear negotiations
The Israeli government is concerned the Iranians will use such negotiations to buy time and relief from the U.S. pressure.
On the other hand, some officials think the current crisis could convince the Iranian regime to make concessions it refused to consider in the past, on the nuclear program, missile program, and proxy groups.
At a conference of the Israeli-American Council in Miami on Thursday night, Witkoff said he communicated with the Iranians the day before about the potential mass hangings.
"That has been shut down," Witkoff said.
Witkoff said he hopes it will be possible to get a diplomatic solution with Iran and noted that any deal will have to address uranium enrichment and Iran's stockpile of enriched uranium, Iran's inventory of ballistic missiles, and its network of proxies in the region.
Witkoff said Iran's economy was badly "stumbling" and if Tehran wants to change that and return to the community of nations, it can be accomplished through diplomacy. "The alternative will be a bad one."
https://www.axios.com/2026/01/16/iran-israel-meeting-witkoff-barneaReminder that according to Marxist analysis a country can NOT be imperialist without having an imperialist economy.
Reminder that Iran DOES NOT have an imperialist economy.
Carry on.
Are iranian communists leftcoms?
>>2649427They’re zionist sex cultists
>>2649423
>Jaruzelski was right
obviously wasn't since he lost
>>2649422delulu
>>2649426fact
Are there any criticisms of iranian communists?
>>2649430If winning makes you right then everyone should be a zionist liberal
>>2649432
>muh stalin
Mods permaban this guy for le great man theory
>>2649423
Jaruzelski said he was never even a communist
>>2649304>>2649322Claiming that there's no Mossad interference makes these guys and (You) look like a bunch of shills just so you know. They didn't have to look at some zionist's twitter bragging about how many agents they have active on the scene to figure this shit out dude
>>2649294
id be more inclined to endorse the viewpoint of these posts if the mullahs werent incompetent as fuck. They will manage to fuck things up down the road if they survive this.
Has Iran collapsed yet
>Letter of Imam Khomeini,The Great Leader of the Islamic Revolution and Founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran,
.To President Mikhail Gorbachev, Leader of the Soviet Union
>In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the MercifulYour Excellency Mr. Gorbachev1, Chairman of the Presidium of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
With due wishes for the happiness and prosperity of Your Excellency and the people of the Soviet Union.
Since your assumption of office there has been the impression that Your Excellency, in analyzing world political events, particularly those pertaining to the Soviet Union, have found yourself in a new era of reassessment, change, and confrontation; and your boldness and initiative in dealing with the realities of the world is quite likely to bring about changes that would result in upsetting the equations of power dominating the world. I have therefore found it necessary to bring certain matters to your attention.
Even if your new approach and decisions are merely used as a means to overcome the party crisis, and to solve some of the problems confronting your people, your courage in reappraising a school of thought that has for decades enchained the revolutionary youth of the world behind its iron curtain is indeed worthy of praise. If, however, you are considering taking a further step forward, the first thing that will ensure your success is that you re-evaluate your predecessors’ policy of obliterating God and religion from society2, a policy that has no doubt given the heaviest blow to the Soviet people. Rest assured that this is the only way whereby world problems can be dealt with realistically.
Viewing Islam as a remnant of the pre-socialist stage, Marxists took two major approaches to confront it: to wipe out Islam as an alien element from the scene of public life by openly challenging it, and to assimilate Islam into Russian society by Russianizing Muslims. Stalin, the most notorious of all communist leaders, persecuted Muslims on a large scale by banishing certain Muslim peoples collectively to Siberia and Asia Minor. The astonishing number of Russian anti- religious publications distributed in Islamic countries is part of the Soviet government’s universal struggle against Islam. The occupation of Afghanistan was the Soviet Union’s last attempt to penetrate the Islamic world.
Of course it is possible that as a result of wrong economic policies of former communist authorities, the Western world, an illusory heaven, will appear to be fascinating; but the truth lies elsewhere. If you hope, at this juncture, to cut the economic Gordian knots of socialism and communism by appealing to the center of Western capitalism, you will, far from remedying any ill of your society, commit a mistake which those to come will have to erase. For, if Marxism has come to a deadlock in its social and economic policies, capitalism has also bogged down, in this as well as in other respects though in a different form.
Mr. Gorbachev,
Reality must be faced. The main problem confronting your country is not one of private ownership, freedom and economy; your problem is the absence of true faith in God, the very problem that has dragged, or will drag, the West to vulgarism and an impasse. Your main problem is the prolonged and futile war you have waged against God, the source of existence and creation.
Mr. Gorbachev,
It is clear to everybody that from now on communism will only have to be found in the museums of world political history, for Marxism cannot meet any of the real needs of mankind. Marxism is a materialistic ideology and materialism cannot bring humanity out of the crisis caused by a lack of belief in spirituality—the prime affliction of the human society in the East and the West alike.
Mr. Gorbachev,
You may have not in theory turned your back on certain aspects of Marxism—and may continue to profess your heartfelt loyalty to it in interviews—but you know that, in practice, the reality is not so. The leader of China3 struck the first blow to communism and you have
struck the second and, apparently, final blow. Today we have no such thing as communism in the world.
I earnestly call on you, however, not to get trapped, while tearing down the walls of Marxist illusions, in the prison of the West and the Great Satan.4 I hope you will attain the honor of removing the decayed layers of 70-year communist aberration from the face of history and of your country. Today those allies of yours that are genuinely concerned about their homelands and people are no longer willing to sacrifice their subterranean and surface resources to keep alive the myth of the success of communism—an ideology whose din of collapse has already reached the ears of their children.
Mr. Gorbachev,
When after 70 years the call, “Allah is Great” and the testimony to the prophethood of the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his posterity) were heard from the minarets of the mosques in some of your Republics, all the followers of the pure Muhammadan Islam were moved to tears out of ecstasy.
Therefore, I have found it necessary to remind you to reflect once again on the materialistic and theistic worldviews. Materialists consider sense to be the sole criterion of knowledge and are of the opinion that whatever cannot be known through the senses falls outside the realm of knowledge. They identify existence with matter and consider as nonexistent anything that has no material body. Inevitably, they regard the world of the unseen—God Almighty, Divine Revelation, Prophethood, and the Resurrection—as mere fiction.
On the other hand, theists consider both sense and reason to be the criteria of knowledge, and maintain that whatever can be known through reason lies within the realm of knowledge, although it is not perceptible. To theists, therefore, existence is inclusive of both the unseen and the manifest. For a thing to exist it is not necessary to have a material body. In the same way that a material thing depends on an incorporeal thing,5 sensory perception is dependent on rational perception.6
The Holy Qur’an reprobates the fundamentals of materialistic thought and, addressing those who say:
“We shall never believe in thee until we see God manifestly,”7
proclaims:
“Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends all vision; and He is the Knower of subtleties, the Aware.”8
I should not like to present here Qur’anic arguments concerning Divine Revelation, Prophethood and the Resurrection which from your point of view are debatable. In fact, I do not wish to entangle you in the twists and turns of philosophical arguments, particularly those of Islamic philosophy. I will content myself by presenting one or two simple, intuitive examples of which even politicians can avail themselves.
It is self-evident that matter, whatever its nature, has no awareness of self. Consider a stone statue: each side is ignorant of the other side. Whereas human beings and animals clearly observe and are aware of their surroundings. They know where they are and are aware of what goes on around them. There must be, then, an element in men and animals that transcends matter and is separate from it, living beyond the life of matter.
Intrinsically, man seeks to attain absolute perfection. He strives, as you well know, for absolute power over the world; he is not attached to any power that is defective. If he has the entire world at his command, he naturally feels inclined to have command of another world once he is informed of its existence. No matter how learned a person may be if he learns of some other branch of knowledge, he naturally feels inclined to attain mastery of that branch of knowledge as well.
Therefore, there must be some Absolute Power and Absolute Knowledge to which man is attached. It is God we all seek although we may not be aware of it. Man strives to attain Absolute Truth, so that he may be annihilated in God. Basically, the desire for eternal life that is inherent in every individual is proof of the existence of an Eternal World to which destruction cannot find its way.
Should Your Excellency desire further information on these matters, you may command those scholars of yours who are well-versed in this field to study, in addition to the works of Western philosophers, the writings of Peripatetic philosophers9, al-Farabi10 and Avicenna,11
peace be upon them. It will then become clear that the law of causation on which all knowledge depends is a rational, not sensible law. Likewise, perception of general laws and concepts on which all reasoning rests is reached not by means of sensory experience but through rational argument.12 Your scholars may further refer to the Ishraqi13 theosophy of Suhrawardi,14 and explain to you that the flesh, as well as any other material thing, is in need of Pure Light which has no material entity, that man’s witnessing of his own truth does not take place by means of any sense organ.15 You may also have the scholars familiarize themselves with Transcendental philosophy16 of Mulla Sadra 17(may Allah be pleased with him and resurrect him with the prophets and the pious), so that it may become clear that the nature of knowledge is different from the nature of matter and that intellect, far removed from matter, cannot be restricted by the laws governing matter.
I won’t tire you further by mentioning the works of mystics, in particular Muhyi’d-Din ibn al-‘Arabi.18 If you wish to make yourself acquainted with the doctrines of this celebrated mystic, send a number of your brilliant scholars, who are well-versed in this field, to Qum19 so that, by reliance on God, they may, after a couple of years, glimpse the depth of the delicate stages of gnosis,20 which will be impossible for them to acquire without making such a journey.
Mr. Gorbachev,
After mentioning these problems and preliminary points, let me call on you to study Islam earnestly, not because Islam and the Muslims may need you but because Islam has exalted universal values which can bring comfort and salvation to all nations and remove the basic problems of mankind. A true understanding of Islam may forever release you from the problem of Afghanistan21 and other similar involvements. We treat Muslims of the world as Muslims of our own country and will ever share in
By granting certain liberties to some of your Republics in matters pertaining to religious practices, you have shown that you no longer consider religion as the “opium of the people.”22 Indeed, how can Islam be the opium of the people—the religion that has made Iranians as firm as a mountain against superpowers? Is the religion that seeks the administration of justice in the world and man’s freedom from material and spiritual shackles, the opium of the people? Only that religion is the opium of the people that causes the material and spiritual resources of Islamic and non-Islamic countries to pass into the clutches of super and lesser powers and that preaches that religion is separate from politics. This, however, cannot be called a true religion; it is what our people call “an American religion.”
In conclusion, I declare outright that the Islamic Republic of Iran as the greatest and most powerful base of the Islamic world can easily fill the vacuum of religious faith in your society. In any case, our country, as in the past, honors good neighborhood and bilateral relations.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.23
Ruhullah al-Musawi al-Khomeini
67/10/11 AHS
[January 1, 1989]
https://al-islam.org/call-divine-unity-letter-imam-khomeini-president-mikhail-gorbachev-sayyid-ruhullah-musawi-khomeini-1 >>2649440>Claiming that there's no Mossad interferenceLearn to read faggot.
They claim Mossad is interfering, against the workers.
>>2649449leftcoms are never beating the obsessed with the deprogram allegations
>>2649434t. nafo boot-licker
>>2649472KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>2649464>>2649457>>2649449Thank you, CIA.
Now back to the every-day needs of the Iranian workers and farmers, if you don't mind!
>>2649472Fact #1: it was your (NATO) side that kept saying that the Iranian "regime" kept killing workers exclusively. This has been recorded and posted above.
Fact #2: now that you see how silly that position is, you shift the burden of yours onto us (actual communists) and claim that it was us all along who said that Iran was pro-worker, or whatever.
Fact #3: you are a literal paid glow shill who will die being tortured to death by proletarian supersoldiers.
bye bye
>>2649465What does this mean?
>Mossad’s claims of its interference>In no other context will Iran take Mossad's claims at face value>why is Iran trusting and citing the Mossad?It implies that Mossad's claims at having boots on the ground and interfering are either false or unserious, which they are obviously not. That the IRI is only repeating these claims because it suits them, not because there's actual israeli interference, just an excuse for repression
>>2649485It continues to state
>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition, pushing back this movement and blinding its radical and freedom-loving horizon. One is by ordering an “uprising” and turning the protests into street fighting and terrorizing it, and the other is by suppressing them under the pretext of Mossad’s interference and confronting it! >>2649492This is basic organic centralism. The state is a real human organ.
Did iranian commies declare an armed uprising? Is this a correct decision?
Do you guys have any criticisms of iranian communist party?
>>2649503the Arak soviet has a people's army with katyusha rockets
>Islam differs sharply from communism. Whereas we respect private property, communism advocates the sharing of all things – including wives and homosexuals -khomenei
>Khomeini strongly opposed Marxism. `Atheistic Marxists` were the one group he excluded from the broad coalition of anti-Shah groups he worked to rally behind his leadership.
>And I am confident that the Iranian people, particularly our youth, will keep alive in their hearts anger and hatred for the criminal Soviet Union- khomenei
>`We have often proclaimed this truth in our domestic and foreign policy, namely that we have set as our goal the world-wide spread of the influence of Islam and the suppression of the rule of the world conquerors. We wish to cause the corrupt roots of Zionism, capitalism and Communism to wither throughout the world. We wish, as does God almighty, to destroy the systems which are based on these three foundations, and to promote the Islamic order of the Prophet. in the world of arrogance- khomenei
Now this is true revolutionary thought! If you don't agree with this you are not a real leftist
This is an interimperialist conflict period.
>>2649528Islam offers 72 virgins that you will be mating pressing forever. What does communism offer?
Israeli logistical support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988)
Israel sold Iran US$75 million worth of arms from stocks of Israel Military Industries, Israel Aircraft Industries and Israel Defense Forces stockpiles, in their Operation Seashell in 1981.[37] Material included 150 M-40 antitank guns with 24,000 shells for each gun, spare parts for tank and aircraft engines, 106 mm, 130 mm, 203 mm and 175 mm shells and TOW missiles. This material was transported first by air by Argentine airline Transporte Aéreo Rioplatense and then by ship. The same year Israel provided active military support against Iraq by destroying the Osirak nuclear reactor near Baghdad, which the Iranians themselves had previously targeted, but the doctrine established by the attack would increase potential conflict in future years.
Arms sales to Iran that totaled an estimated $500 million from 1981 to 1983 according to the Jafe Institute for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University. Most of it was paid for by Iranian oil delivered to Israel. "According to Ahmad Haidari, "an Iranian arms dealer working for the Khomeini government, roughly 80% of the weaponry bought by Tehran" immediately after the onset of the war originated in Israel.[38
According to Mark Phythian, the fact "that the Iranian air force could function at all" after Iraq's initial attack and "was able to undertake a number of sorties over Baghdad and strike at strategic installations" was "at least partly due to the decision of the Reagan administration to allow Israel to channel arms of US origin to Iran to prevent an easy and early Iraqi victory".[39]
Despite all the speeches of Iranian leaders and the denunciation of Israel at Friday prayers, there were never less than around one hundred Israeli advisers and technicians in Iran at any time throughout the war, living in a carefully guarded and secluded camp just north of Tehran, where they remained even after the ceasefire.[40]
Israeli sales also included spare parts for U.S.-made F-4 Phantom jets.[41] Ariel Sharon believed it was important to "leave a small window open" to the possibility of good relations with Iran in the future.[42
Very cool!
>>2649487>>2649493Yeah this doesn't address the question of israeli interference bro, this just states that there's undefined "marginal forces" that exacerbate the violence and "pawns in the opposition" if you want to claim that they're talking about mossad insurgents there then that undermines the previous point of it being merely mossad's "claims". You are the one who brought up the question of why Iran would take Mossad's claims at face value. I say, because they're true.
Marc Rich, an Israeli-Swiss businessman with international ties, began doing business in Iran through his Glencore company headquartered in Switzerland. Rich ignored US and international sanctions on Iran and became the primary trader of Iranian oil for 15 years.[203] He claimed that the oil he bought from Iran was shipped to Israel and both countries were aware of this transaction.[204] Rich provided the Iranian government with weapons and missiles through the Iran–Iraq War
Rich was born in 1934 to a Jewish family in Antwerp, Belgium.[2][3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Richfollowing the overthrow of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, during the Iranian Revolution in 1979, Rich used his special relationship with Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the revolution, to buy oil from Iran despite the American embargo. According to Forbes Magazine, Asadollah Asgaroladi was also the secret business partner of Rich in helping bypass U.S. sanctions against Iran after the Iranian revolution.[16] Iran would become Rich's most important supplier of crude oil for more than 15 years. Rich sold Iranian oil to Israel through a secret pipeline.[17][18][19] Due to his good relationship with Iran and Ayatollah Khomeini, Rich helped give Mossad's agents contacts in Iran.[20]
He popularised the use of letters of credit in the oil trade.[21][22]
Rich had made substantial donations to Israeli charitable foundations over the years, and many senior Israeli officials, such as Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert, argued on his behalf behind the scenes.[40] Many leading figures of the Jewish world such as Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), whose organization had received over $250,000 from Rich over the years also wrote to President Clinton for Rich's pardon.[41][42] Among other leading Jewish leaders writing to Clinton were Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel's former foreign minister; Michael Steinhardt, a philanthropist and CEO of Steinhardt Associates; and Rabbi Irving Greenberg, chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, which oversees the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Rich was a strong supporter of Israel throughout his life, having donated around $150 million to institutions such as the Israel Museum, Tel Aviv Museum, research centers, theaters, as well as numerous other documented causes over the years.[71]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_RichInteresting!
The 2001 uprising in Herat was a coordinated insurrection and uprising in the Afghan city of Herat as part of the United States war in Afghanistan. The city was captured on November 12 by Northern Alliance forces as well as Special Forces of the United States, the United Kingdom[1] and Iran.[2][3
The U.S. Special Operations teams consisted of U.S. Army Rangers and Delta Force under the command of CENTCOM General Tommy Franks. Iranian forces consisted of agents of the Quds Force under the command of Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, commander of the IRGC, and Major General Qasem Soleimani, the commander of Iran's Quds Force.[3] The Northern Alliance faction consisted of over 5,000 militiamen under the command of Ismail Khan, a commander in the previous Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and former governor of Herat before the Taliban came into power in 1995.[citation needed]
UK Special Forces for reasons of national security remained anonymous and did not reveal their formal command structure.[4
The plan, organized by General Franks and General Safavi, was for Iranian Special Forces to discreetly enter the city and form an insurrection against the Taliban. This sudden event was to coincide with the entrance of Ismail Khan's band of Northern Alliance militia members into the city. Meanwhile, a team of U.S. Special Forces and CIA agents would oversee the operation in Tehran alongside Iranian military intelligence.[5]
Combat operations began on October 7, 2001. Towards the end of the month, U.S. air strikes hit targets in and around Herat, including tanks, communications facilities, and tunnel complexes.[6] This also includes the Herat airport, where Russian-made fighters were destroyed.[citation needed]
On 11 November 2001, U.S. Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha 554 ("Tiger 08") was inserted by helicopter near Herat.[7] As planned, Iranian commandos secretly entered Herat to begin the insurrection on November 12, which successfully gave way to what Ismail Khan claimed to be, the local uprising against the Taliban leaders. The Northern Alliance, Shi'ite Hazara factions, and a small group of U.S. Special Forces then entered the city.[5] Herati residents also took part in the uprising with sticks, knives, and guns hidden throughout the populace. The city fell as the Taliban fled towards the mountains along the Iranian border, leaving behind several abandoned tanks. Prisoners, including Chechen and Arab volunteers, were taken to undisclosed locations.[8]
The uprising was met with celebratory gunfire from residents. Iranian media even went as far as to report widespread celebration including 'dancing on the rooftops' and honking car horns.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_uprising_in_Herat>>2649323>its billions of dollars being spent on making war while people live on scrapsNuclear energy equals war? Sure anon.
>>2649565Do you want wholesome islamic aes in israel by 2050 or not you nato ultra wrecker
Exodus status?
>>2649552>>2649552>>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition…>Yeah this doesn't address the question of israeli interferencekys
>they're talking about mossad insurgents there then that undermines the previous pointIt doesn't because the claim is Mossad is sponsoring the protests while in reality (as the WCPI demonstrates) it is crushing it
The Zionists in this thread are trying to construct an alternative reality
Good thing nobody believes them
>>2649607Ok so they do claim Israeli interference, they're just coy about it that's fine. But then the IRI is not merely using claims by the mossad as a pretext for repression, those claims are true, there is mossad agents amongst the protest, they do try to accelerate them violently, which the IRI has to respond to. So again, why would you act like it's some conspiracy that Iran would take these claims at face value? Why all the soying out about what an epic sentence "Mossad's claims of interference" is?
>>2649638No Anon you don't get it! Israel and Iran cooperated in the 80s, therefore we should ignore everything that's happened since then and is happening right now!
so, am i supposed to be on the side of the reactionary theocracy, or no? someone clear things up for me.
>>2649655You're supposed to be against the interference of your own government in Iran's affairs. Anything outside of that is an impotent opinion that will make no difference.
>>2649671
>The IRGC and Mossad are working hand in hand for ultimately the same purpose.
Wtf are you smoking? Where would you get this notion? Why would Israel want to preserve the Islamic Republic?
>>2649644You're coming with this with the presupposition that protests are le evil psyop, not natural consequence of the economic conditions, like Iranian communists do. Obviously you can't comprehend how the Mossad could interfere on the side of the bourgeoisie to maintain the status quo. The IRGC and Mossad are working hand in hand for ultimately the same purpose.
If the IRGC infiltrated the protests to sow chaos amongst the workers and give itself pretext for bloodshed (and it does), will that make the bloodshed justifiable? Because as far as the class struggle is concerned there are only two camps, the bourgeoisie (Iran, Israel, so-called opposition, etc) and workers.
The communists claim those actors are attacking the protesters directly with knives for chanting the wrong slogans btw, it's not merely through coercion that they're fighting against workers.
And yes the Mossad claims of supporting the protests are false. It's laughable that you believe not only is the Mossad jeopardizing its mission (something it never does, unless it ISN'T its mission) but also Iran's citing Mossad's word uncritically.
>>2649689>The IRGC and Mossad are working hand in hand for ultimately the same purpose. This is completely unreasonable and batshit insane.
>>2649697>>2649680>what is class struggle?on-ground Iranian communists >>> your libshit geopol reddit world view
Iranian Communists are claiming Israel and IRGC are united in murdering Iranian workers the same way they claimed Khomeini and Saddam were united in murdering Iranian workers
If you can't understand this material reality, you're not qualified to discuss this topic.
>>2649674should britain have not intervened when hitler invaded poland?
>>2649704Hey those are the lumpen Iraqi mercenaries killing Iranian workers!
Too bad they handed all the oil to the US afterwards :/
>>2649718NTA but Britain was more progressive choice if a choice has to be made. I would prefer myself not to be cheerleading any capitalist power especially when it comes to unnecessary wars.
>>2649671>>2649689
>You're coming with this with the presupposition that protests are le evil psyopNo Im not, where did I make that claim?
>not natural consequence of the economic conditionsMost, if not all things are anon lol
>Obviously you can't comprehend how the Mossad could interfere on the side of the bourgeoisie to maintain the status quo. The IRGC and Mossad are working hand in hand for ultimately the same purpose.But they're not, Mossad is fighting for Israel's interests and wants to facilitate regime change that will be more amenable to them. IRI is fighting for the continuity of its own existence. Only one of these is the maintenance of the status quo.
>If the IRGC infiltrated the protests to sow chaos amongst the workers and give itself pretext for bloodshed (and it does), will that make the bloodshed justifiable? Because as far as the class struggle is concerned there are only two camps, the bourgeoisie (Iran, Israel, so-called opposition, etc) and workers.But that's not what's happening, it is Israel that is sowing chaos amongst the workers, arming them to ramp up the protests into an overthrow of the government. Why would Iran want to arm its own opponents covertly just to shoot them down? They could just shoot them without giving them weapons first and claim that they did, or any other myriad of nonsensical things. Or you could make the reasonable judgement that they're probably responding to actual foreign intervention and attempt at regime change.
>The communists claim those actors are attacking the protesters directly with knives for chanting the wrong slogans btw, it's not merely through coercion that they're fighting against workersIm sure its all very chaotic
>And yes the Mossad claims of supporting the protests are falseDelusional
> It's laughable that you believe not only is the Mossad jeopardizing its missionHow does restating a well known fact, something basically everyone on this earth with more than two braincells already assumed was the case "jeopardizing its mission", goddamn man you are such a retard
>but also Iran's citing Mossad's word uncritically.Why would they be critical of an admission of guilt? The Israelis don't give a fuck, they don't have to be bashful about their naked foreign interference and aggression. Also, besides Mossad involvement just being a very easy assumption to make whenever things are going down in Iran, it is very funny that you think Iran doesn't have it's own intelligence to make such assertions about the validity of those claims
>>2649701It's a mistake to assume that the bourgeoisie of various countries will always unite against the spectre of socialism. There are numerous examples of rivalries between bourgeois states superseding the conflict between labour and capital, leading to bourgeois states directly aiding revolutionary forces. E.g. the US armed and supported the Viet Minh and PLA during WW2, Britain signed a defense pact with the USSR following Operation Barbarossa, the German Empire abetted the Bolsheviks by helping Lenin return to Russia and even had plans to arm them, etc. As of right now there is no evidence that these demonstrations are of a socialist orientation to begin with, everything I've heard indicates that the Iranian opposition is highly fractured and diverse with no evidence of leftist tendencies predominating. Even if they did, as I said this wouldn't automatically place Tehran and Tel Aviv on the same side. Israel would happily support Iranian communists if they thought it would topple the Islamic Republic, just like they supported Hamas to weaken the PLO.
>>2649718How is that relevant at all? We're talking about an imperialist attempt to subjugate a country here, not a conflict between competing imperialist powers (one of which was launching a continent-wide extermination of leftists). It's not even remotely comparable.
>>2649751>but muh geopolSorry your formerly Mossad-backed state is still getting handouts
>>2649754>inter-imperialistare the martyrs who have been killed by this theocratic dictatorship "imperialists"?
>>2649762No, but they're inadvertently doing their work for them.
You guys know that two things can be true at once, right? The economy and society of Iran is in the shitter in no small part thanks to their government's own doing and people are mad about it. At the same time America and Israel are actively trying to take advantage of the unrest for their own agendas. You dont have to uncritically simp for a theocracy nor cheer for its downfall at the hands of Zionism
If the protestors actually commit to taking state power, more determined fractions will come out on top and these could very well bomb Israel to dust, something Cuckmeini wouldn't do, because both Satanyahu and Cuckmeini serve Moloch/capital.
>>2649765and so we are supposed to support the reactionary theocracy then?
>>2649766Based and common sense pilled.
>>2649765The Mossad is advertently doing the work for the IRGC
>>2649759>No argumentI accept your concession
Did people forget the 12 day war and how Mossad agents were launching drones and doing carbombings from within Iran? Mossad infiltration in Iran is very real.
>>2649772>No argument but muh geopolI accept your mom's concession
>>2649769I don't really give a shit who you "support" because your support means exactly nothing. What I expect is for people to discharge their internationalist duty as communists, that is to first and foremost denounce the predatory actions of their own government wrt Iran, organize opposition to all aggression against Iran (including sanctions and military attacks) and meddling in Iranian politics, and refrain from reinforcing narratives designed to justify Western intervention. You should be doing this even if you support the demonstrations, since if you believe that these have revolutionary potential then you should want to prevent the West from hijacking them.
>>2649771Still waiting on any evidence whatsoever that the Israelis are on the same side as the government and oppose these protests. Its frankly absurd on the face of it.
>>2649783do you think what the iranian government is doing to its own people is wrong?
>>2649766>What about both sides le bad?No
>>2649788revolutionary defeatism applies only to your own bourgeoisie
>>2649788>But what about right an wrong guysss??Jesus the depths these people sink to
>>2649788I literally don't care. The situation for Iranian communists seems pretty impossible to me and I'm immensely thankful that it's not my responsibility to navigate that mess. I know what my duty is in all of this, and it's not to heap scorn on a third world country that my own ruling class is relentlessly attacking and trying to enslave.
>>2649787funny how in the previous threads these people said if you even mentioned intelligence agencies like mossad then you were conspiracy theorist. now they're saying mossad are working together with the IRGC, while posting evidence as Iran-Contra deals that happened in the 80s.
>>2649804>i literally dont carethen get the fuck out of the thread you useless fascist coward.
>>2649798are you the same person who said that homophobia and misogyny is "revolutionary"? hard to keep track of all of the apologists.
if there was any serious communist organization worth their salt in the west it would be working tirelessly to establish contact with every one global south communist org and establish correspondence. we need to reestablish the embryo of the internationale, marx' and engels' activity in brussels when they were tying together loose communist organizations. we have the time, resources and capacity. then we wouldn't have to rely on bourgeois media but have our own network.
>actually the Islamic Republic of Iran and Mossad are on le same side against le "workers" which exist in my mind!
The (((western left))) everyone
>>2649805Reminds me of libs going on about how Molotov-Ribbentrop proves that Nazis and communists are ideological twins. That's an easy argument to make if you just ignore literally everything that happened before and after 1939-1940. They post this shit from 45 years ago as if we should just pretend that nothing has happened since then, like idk, Israel bombing Iran and activating a massive Mossad terrorist network inside the country less than a year ago.
>>2649812>t. western leftist responding to a strawman of Iranian communists >>2649297kek
>>2649808Notice how you're talking about abstract moral principles and holding the correct opinions, whereas I'm talking about the pressing concrete tasks of the worker's movement.
>>2649812oh and i guess antisemitism is acceptable here as well, now. how the left has fallen.
In case people are wondering, Iranian communists who don't advocate for overthrowing the government at the current moment actually exist.
https://english.10mehr.com/about-10mehr/
>10Mehr* consists of some of the former members of the leadership and cadre of the Tudeh Party of Iran who, since the destruction of the Socialist State in the USSR in 1991 and dissolution of the Socialist Camp, have been opposed to the emerging social-democratic tendencies in the Communist movement, and have insisted on continued adherence to the principles of Marxism-Leninism. For us, Marxism-Leninism is not just a banner to be held up for the purpose of self-identification, but a set of scientific principles that should guide the formulation of any policy at the national and international level.
>We consider the international struggle against imperialism, and especially against the U.S. imperialism’s global hegemony, as the primary struggle of our era, which should not be weakened or overridden by other contradictions at the national level. We believe that all legitimate struggles at the national level should be carried out in such ways that do not undermine the unity of the international anti-imperialist struggle, and/or endanger the independence and sovereignty of nations. No “democracy” or “human rights” can be achieved at the expense of independence and national sovereignty of peoples.
>Specifically in the case of Iran, while opposing the Iranian government’s neoliberal economic policies and repressive measures, we oppose all efforts — explicit or implicit — aimed at overthrowing of the Islamic Republic of Iran at this critical juncture when the future of the whole humanity is at stake. Given the absence of organized popular mass organizations in Iran at this juncture, such efforts could only serve the objectives of U.S. imperialism for partitioning Iran.
>While recognizing the Tudeh Party of Iran as the sole party of the Iranian working class, we have significant ideological and political disagreements with the present policies of the leadership of the Party, at both international and national levels. We consider our responsibility as that of pointing to the weaknesses and present departures of the present Party leadership from a truly Marxist-Leninist perspective, and providing, within the limits of our ability, alternative assessments of the global and national situation on the basis of scientific principles of Marxism-Leninism.>bourgeois states can have no conflict of interest, they're all perfectly united by class solidarity
Hello comrade Kautsky
>>2649816>Iranian "communists"<look inside<western diaspora leftoids funded by IsraelEvery fucking time
>Israel killing Iranian workers without touching the cucktollah is my proof class struggle is dead fantasy
>>2649824did you like inside your mom's ass? because they're on the streets reporting what's happening in farsi
>>2649821>Given the absence of organized popular mass organizations in Iran at this juncture, such efforts could only serve the objectives of U.S. imperialism for partitioning Iran.this is literally the correct position to have.
>>2649820Antisemitism? Where? What was antisemitic about what I said?
>>2649819how about you shut the fuck up?
youre a nobody like me on this obscure website
but at least im not afraid to call out bullshit when i see it. why the fuck would i be ambivalent about whats happening in iran when the truth is so obvious? long live persia. may all the reactionaries die.
i dont stutter.
>>2649822Nice strawman, unfortunately it is unipolarism believers who claim that :)
>>2649834It is literally what is being claimed in this thread.
>>2649821>ignore the 10 local communist parties in OP and here are diaspora liberals who denounced MLiberalism to become openly liberalno thanks
>>2649833I'm not saying you should be ambivalent, I'm saying you need to understand your obligations as a communist and what positive effect you can actually have on the situation. Again, if you want to maximize the revolutionary potential of these demonstrations then you should be agitating against Western interference. If you want to help the people suffering in Iran, you should be agitating against sanctions.
>>2649841oh, right, if only there we no sanctions, then iran wiuld be a paradise… dont reply to me anymore.
>>2649840Oh epic, a polemic from a French pedophile about "antisemitism". Still doesn't explain how I'm supposedly "antisemitic", whatever that even means anymore. Is it because I spoke negatively of Israelis? Because they're not semitic people, so the accusation makes no sense.
>>2649808>are you the same person who said that homophobia and misogyny is "revolutionary"?Lmao, no that's retarded. But nice try libby
>>2649846If there were no sanctions Iran wouldn't have nearly as many economic problems as they currently do yes. This isn't controversial, and honestly its common sense.
>liberal/pol/ rejects native Iranian communists and accepts diaspora socdems
poetry
>>2649839Well it doesn't say that they've denounced ML and it does say that they're former leadership and cadre of Tudeh.
There's a farsi version of the site if you can read the language.
https://10mehr.com/ TUCKER CARLSON is in the West Wing. He is expected to meet with Trump today, according to a source.
Second time he’s meeting with the president in the last week.
Tucker had a private lunch with him last Friday.
https://xcancel.com/yashar/status/2012201702653407522#mUpdate
^ get this cringy burger out of here
>>2649866Bro no one cares about what literally who pseudointellectual bourgeois circle in diaspora has to say. There isn't a SINGLE Iranian Communist in Iran who believes in the lesser evilism third worldist class collaboration fantasy of the western left.
>>2649880I love it when both pro and anti-IR people claim that there's a secret trove of Iranian leftists (who are the only REAL ones) who totally agree with them. The views of communists on the ground should always be considered but they're not gospel. Certainly they shouldn't be used as props or worse yet, blank slates for you to project your views on.
>>2649866That's a reasonable position to hold. I was just trying to highlight that pro-IR(in the current moment) iranian leftists exist since the threads have only been sharing the view of those who advocate for overthrowing the government now.
>>2649896>The views of communists on the ground should always be considered but they're not gospel.*The views of leftists on the ground should always be considered but they're not gospel.
Too bad we are talking about communists here, more disciplined than most elsewhere mind you.
>>2649896if only we could get the opinions of Iranians, they seem to be having some wifi issues atm tho
>>2649911If you could get their unfiltered opinions I think you'd be disappointed by the huge array of views you'd get ranging from rapidly pro-governnent people to gusanos begging for Israel to bomb them, to people who just want food prices to go down.
>>2649917these are caricatures you've drawn from the internet, you can see what iranian workers think here
>>2649393 >>2649936That statement just expresses a desire for an improvement in the living situation, i.e. they're one of the "caricatures" I listed.
>Scoop: Trump and Netanyahu discussed Iran in second phone callPresident Trump spoke with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by phone Thursday evening to discuss the situation in Iran, according to two sources with knowledge of the call.
Why it matters: It's their second call in two days as Trump reviews his options for a possible military strike or diplomatic negotiations with an Iranian regime rocked by widespread protest and upheaval.
The White House and the prime minister's office declined to comment.
Driving the news: During their first call on Wednesday, Netanyahu asked Trump to hold off on military action against Iran to give Israel more time to prepare for potential Iranian retaliation.
It was one of the reasons Trump decided to delay orders for the U.S. military to move forward with a strike against Iran.
U.S. officials say military action is still on the table if Iran resumes killing protesters. Israeli officials think that despite the delay, a U.S. military strike could take place in the coming days.
State of play: On Thursday, Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke on the phone with both Netanyahu and the Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian and offered to mediate between the countries in order to de-escalate the situation, the Kremlin said.
What we're watching: Netanyahu sent the head of the Mossad spy agency. David Barnea, to the U.S. for consultations on Iran. Barnea is expected to meet White House envoy Steve Witkoff in Miami on Friday.
The big picture: At a conference of the Israeli-American Council in Miami on Thursday night, Witkoff said he hopes for a diplomatic solution with Iran.
He noted that any deal will have to address Iran's uranium enrichment, reduce its inventory of ballistic missiles, take the Iranian stockpile of 2000 kilograms of enriched uranium out of the country and stop Iranian support for its proxies in the region.
"I think if Iran, which is stumbling it its economy. It's a pretty serious situation. Inflation is well north of 50%," Witkoff said. "If they want to come back to the League of Nations, we can solve those four problems diplomatically and that would be a good resolution and the alternative will be a bad one."
https://www.axios.com/2026/01/16/trump-netanyahu-iran-strike-phone-callUpdate.
Quite disheartening, although unsurprising, that the current protests follow exactly the playbook the CIA fomented against Mossadegh, yet because Americans are genuinely fucking stupid, they’re falling for it like a pig at a trough
ITT: A bunch of idiots that don't understand that protests movements are never homogeneous and you can't simply lump everyone as being simple petit bourgs because it makes you feel better.
If only several more thousands of these Mossad-aligned protesters got shot. Its called Revolutionary Terror.
>>2650142That cuts both ways comrade.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/exiled-iranian-crown-prince-reveals-6-step-plan-exert-pressure-tehrans-regimeExiled Iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi unveiled Friday a 6-step plan to exert pressure on the regime, which he declared "will fall, not if, but when."
"My brave compatriots still holding the line with their broken bodies but unbreakable will, need your urgent help right now. Make no mistake, however, the Islamic Republic is close to collapse," Pahlavi declared.
"Ali Khamenei and his thugs know this. That's why they are lashing out like a wounded animal, desperate to cling to power," he continued. "The people have not retreated. Their determination has made one thing clear. They are not merely rejecting this regime. They are demanding a credible new path forward. They have called for me to lead."
Pahlavi said he has a comprehensive plan for an orderly transition and asked the international community to do six things, starting with protecting the Iranian people "by degrading the regime's repressive capacity, including targeting the Islamic Revolutionary Guard leadership and its command-and-control infrastructure."
"Second, deliver and sustain maximum economic pressure on the regime, block their assets worldwide, target and dismantle their fleet of ghost [oil] tankers," he said.
"Third, break through the regime's information blockade by enabling unrestricted internet access. Deploy Starlink and other secure communications tools widely across Iran and conduct cyber operations to disable the regime's ability to shut down the internet. Fourth, hold the regime accountable by expelling its diplomats from your capitals and pursue legal enforcement actions against those responsible for crimes against humanity," Pahlavi continued.
"Fifth, demand the immediate release of all political prisoners. Six, prepare for a democratic transition in Iran by committing to recognize a legitimate transitional government when the moment comes," he concluded.
Pahlavi’s remarks came as President Donald Trump seemed to remain ambivalent about the possibility of Pahlavi taking over the country if the Islamic regime were to fall.
"He seems very nice, but I don't know how he'd play within his own country," Trump told Reuters during an interview on Wednesday. "And we really aren't up to that point yet.
"I don't know whether or not his country would accept his leadership, and certainly if they would, that would be fine with me," he added.
When Pahlavi was asked Friday by a reporter about how he plans to win Trump over, he said, "President Trump has said that it's up to the Iranian people to decide, and I totally agree."
"I've always said it's for the Iranian people to decide. And I think the Iranian people have already demonstrated in great numbers who it is that they want them to lead to this transition," he added. "So I'm confident that I have the support of my compatriot. And as for the international leaders to assess the fact on the ground and see who is capable of doing that. I believe I can and I have the Iranian people’s support."
>>2650142All who protest the revolutionary government are zionist agents who must be executed. This is very simple.
End the sanctions, no bombing by USA or Israel, restore the Internet to the Iranian people. Simple as
>>2650664Nah. No 'free speech' allowed for the Mossad crisis actors. Keep the internet off.
>>2650804If the IR Iranian regime won't restore free speech, then free speech will be restored by force
>>2650847Your libertarian Mossad agents will be liquidated before any chance of that.
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of Mossad psyops
>>2649710I was reading through the 10mehr site and they make an allusion to this in their critique of Iranian left positions during the 12 day war.
https://english.10mehr.com/a-critique-of-the-positions-of-some-left-groups-and-organizations-regarding-the-nato-and-israeli-attack-on-our-homeland-iran/
>In the midst of an unequal war initiated by Israel’s blatant aggression with direct U.S. support against Iran, a statement was issued by the “Coordination Council of Left and Communist Forces” that clearly showed part of the Iranian left still has not been able to redefine its historical, political, and moral position in the face of war and imperialist aggression, and the necessity of defending national independence. This “Council,” which includes organizations and parties such as the Worker-Communist Unity Party, the Communist Party of Iran, the Worker-Communist Party of Iran—Hekmatist, Rahe Kargar Organization, the Organization of Fadaiyan (Minority), and the Minority Core, wrote in a statement titled “Against the Reactionary War of Israel and the Islamic Regime”:
<Israel’s attack on Friday surprised the Islamic regime, which was preparing to participate in the sixth round of negotiations with the U.S. in Muscat on Sunday. The regime’s baseless nuclear deterrence strategy—which had cost hundreds of billions of dollars and brought economic misery to tens of millions of Iranians—collapsed…. As was previously evident, and as was once again proven yesterday when Israel began its attack, the majority of Iranians will not stand by the Islamic regime in any war…. Social and class movements in Iran, alongside leftist and communist forces and progressive institutions, will together find their path to continue the struggle against the entirety of the Islamic regime, against Israel, and against its monarchist allies. (emphases added)
>The first notable point in this position is the complete lack of any concrete understanding of the primary contradiction at this moment—namely, the contradiction between a nation under attack and an imperialist-Zionist aggressor bloc. This statement, by equating the “Islamic regime” and Israel in the war, not only ignores the qualitative difference between a state resisting aggression and a colonial-aggressor regime, but also effectively shirks the duty of defending national independence—a duty incumbent upon every progressive force. The stance may appear “neutral” or “opposed to war on both sides,” but in practice it represents a retreat from revolutionary ideology and an indifference toward the victims of imperialist aggression.
>This line of thinking is not unrelated to the political and ideological background of some of these organizations. Similar approaches were evident in the analyses of organizations such as Peykar for the Liberation of the Working Class in the 1980s regarding the Iran-Iraq War. At that time, when Saddam Hussein’s army invaded Iran with full support from Western imperialism and Arab reactionaries, some “leftist” forces, ignoring the reality of foreign aggression, portrayed the war merely as “a product of the interests of two reactionary regimes,” and refrained from taking any active stance in defense of their country and people. Following the start of Iraq’s attack on Iran on September 22, 1980, Peykar, in issue 75 dated October 7, 1980, declared the following stance regarding the imposed war:
<The reactionary Iran-Iraq war and the growing clarity of the goals pursued by both sides further confirm the legitimacy of the position taken by forces that have condemned and boycotted this war. The continuation of fratricide, the nationalist (bourgeois-nationalist) propaganda of both sides, the aggressive goals each side pursues toward the other (one openly declaring territorial claims, the other exporting the Islamic revolution or strengthening its own reactionary factions)… efforts to mobilize the unaware masses behind themselves, the groundwork for future repression through the strengthening of the repressive apparatus (the army), etc., all point to the nature of this war and to the policies pursued by the reactionary ruling classes in both Iranian and Iraqi society….
>Today, we are witnessing the same flawed and superficial logic repeated in the statement of the “Coordination Council of Left and Communist Forces.” These organizations, which call themselves “progressive” and “aligned with social movements,” instead of offering unconditional defense of Iran’s independence and territorial integrity in the face of imperialism at this critical historical moment, continue to emphasize regime change. Clearly, opposition to the ruling system—especially when it ignores the real threat of foreign aggression—is not progressive in nature, and in practice serves the interests of imperialist and reactionary forces.
>Ultimately, what is missing from these positions is a historical-materialist understanding of the objective causes of this war within the framework of global contradictions. Groups that sometimes operate under the banner of councilism and at other times rely on ultra-leftist rationales or pseudo-Marxist theories like the “imperialist pyramid” to avoid recognizing the principal contradiction in a given situation not only err in their analysis but also deviate in political practice. Good thing those 4,400 Iranians were killed by the good bourgeoisie, because leftists wouldn't let us hear the end of it if the bad bourgeoisie killed them instead.
>>2651193>here is Iranian diaspora liberal critique of native communists (clsss struggle is dead marxoid)I'll pass, thanks lib.
>quotes Iranian marxists in the streets of Tehran
<those are diasporoid mossad ngo bro
>quotes diaspora liberal circlejerk with no connection to class struggle in Iran
<finally some real iranians!
Western leftism is mental illness
when did leftypol get so libbed the fuck up
its like im reading /r/worldnews
>>2651332Long live neoliberalism with Islamic characteristics
>>2651319Hey that's the guy who said the Palestinian genocide was worth it because Iran is still ruled by Islamists.
>>2651339> that's the guy who said the Palestinian genocide was worth it because Iran is still ruled by IslamistsWoah did he really? Source?
>>2651340Look up
>How Iran WON the [Gaza genocide] (he called it some other name I don't remember) >>2651343oh so then he didn't say that
>>2651346Yeah he did, that's what the quote means.
A million more Palestinians to the meat grinder, long live the Iranian bourgeoisie.
Him being an IRGC-funded liberal is enough to discourage any serious communist from quoting his libshit analysis seriously, but he is also pro-pali genocide on top of it.
>>2651351>Yeah he did, that's what the quote means.then post the quote and not your bad faith "interpretation". if its so easy to look up then look it up yourself and post it dont make baseless claims and then tell other people to prove it for you
>>2649485yeah israel and iran are working together to… overthrow iran??!?
>>2649769>and so we are supposed to support the reactionary theocracy then?From a materialist perspective they are actually progressive.
>>2649808Oh you are an actual child. Wow ok
>>2649839Half of those also say some variation of "Given the absence of organized popular mass organizations in Iran at this juncture, such efforts could only serve the objectives of U.S. imperialism for partitioning Iran." but the fucker who posts them always cuts those parts out
They also said the same thing last time, advocating using the popular sentiment to get people to join vanguard parties and unify the different movements.
And none of them are "local communist parties" they are unions that are not communist or are also diaspora parties themselves.
>>2649880>There isn't a SINGLE Iranian Communist in IranTrue
Iraq is passing new austerity laws.
Can't wait for leftists to cheer for Iraqi prole genocide 2: electric boogaloo in few months
>>2651369>ignore the native communists statements and trust the schizo ramblings that I made up in my headNo thx
>>2651212
Pahlavists are the most retarded monarchists, their dynasty only took over in the 20th century by a British supported coup d'état against the Qajars, they have litterally 2 Rulers in all the history of Iran, why would you even give a shit to restore them ? At least in France, the dynasty supported by the monarchists took power back in 987, they've got a history of ruling, even if it's retarded to actually restore them, seriously, what can Pahlavi do that a republic can't do ? Or hell why not claim the mandate for yourself and proclaim a new monarch, at least he won't have the taint of Savak. I genuinly don't get it.
>>2651284You'll feel pretty silly when he rides into Tehran alongside the ghost of Cyrus the Great and the 10,000 Immortals. He'll then shoot lasers from his eyes and vaporize Macedonia in vengeance.
>>2651378>native communists statements not seeing any of those
>>2649208>Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist) not in iran
>Workers’ Councils of Araknot a party
>Worker-Communist Parties of Iraqnot iranian
>Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist)
operates in Iran
>CPI
operates in Iran
>WCPI Iraq & Kurdistan
directly organizes with Iranian communists
Thanks and cope again
>>2651392This would cause a massive diplomatic crisis with Greece as they'd recognize Macedonia as the rightfull heir to Alexander the Great
>>2651412>operates in Iranincorrect
>operates in Iranstatement not posted
>directly organizes with Iranian communists really? which party?
>In recent days, a wave of >the demands you have raised can be achieved only through your own system of workers’ councils.
>The great lesson of the 1979 Revolution for the socialist movement of the working class is that without a political party and organization, and without assuming leadership of the mass movement, the working class becomes a force serving non–working-class movements.
>The fruits of the workers’ struggles must serve to fulfill their own class demands and those of their allies in the women’s movement, the student movement, the struggle against national oppression, teachers and retirees, and the environmental movement.
>Activists and independent organizations of the labor movement must also, like other currents, articulate their demands together with the alternative system envisioned by the workers—namely, council rule.
>The entry of workers into the struggle for their class demands will transform the situation in Iran. The time has come for workers to take the initiative in struggle and in politics.
>On this path, the Coordinating Council of Left and Communist Forces of Iran considers itself part of your movement and will spare no effort to help build independent workers’ organizations and to promote cooperation and unity among activists and organizations of the left and socialist wing of the labor movement.https://cpiran.org/the-stockholm-conferences-message-to-the-iranian-working-class-it-is-time-for-workers-to-take-the-initiative-in-struggle-and-politics/>>2651430Literally the first sentence
>The Stockholm Conference was held during one of the most critical periods in Iran’s hundred-year history. The Islamic regime drowned in blood the largest revolutionary movement in Iran since the 2022 Zhina movement. Nationwide repression of street protesters, mass arrests, and the massacre of several thousand of the risen masses of Iran—while plunging society into mourning and grief—have nonetheless not brought an end to the public protests against dictatorship, poverty, and widespread misery that were unfolding in hundreds of cities.They're calling the protests a critical revolutionary moment and workers need to act now to lead the charge and establish councils (which some did according to them)
Your libshit IRGC-funded org is saying this is Mossad op and workers need to defend the theocracy and wait another 100 years for productive forces to be built and for Israel to magically dissappear
kys
>>2651453>defend the theocracy and wait another 100 years for productive forces to be built and for Israel to magically dissappear uh no they dont say that lol. you are hysterical. you need to get help
>>2651457Wait so the libshit rag you keep spamming is calling on Iranian workers to overthrow the regime NOW like the communist orgs there?
So why is your ass blasted about those orgs?
>>2649208>4,370 CONFIRMED DEADStill no evidence, bitch.
Kill yourself
>>2649650>>2649762>>2649644>>2651453>>2649769>>2649766>>2649762>>2649655You are all wrong. You speak as zionist saudi comprador. Iran is not a theocracy. Iran is revolutionary islamic republic. Calling Iran "theocracy" is CIA zionist line.
>>2648177Glowie regime change operation failed again.
Seethe
>>2651460>Wait so false binary?nope
>like the communist orgs therethey are not saying that either
regime
>>2651460>Wait so the libshit rag you keep spammingI dont think CPI is libshit anon.
>>2651478I'm installing my
"regime" inside your mother
kill yourself >>2651477Ah so it's not a binary, that must be why the liberal rag is debooonking Iranian communists here with the primary contradiction meme
>>2651193>>2651479Glad you agree with CPI that these protests are revolutionary and workers should lead them to overthrow the regime.
>Dozens have been killed by armed rioters across Iran in recent weeks, including over 100 members of the security forces, several civilians, and children
>Millions of Iranian citizens have taken to the streets in multiple areas across Iran to reject the violent riots taking place across the country and take a stance against foreign interference, following continuous threats of war from the US and Israel.
>“Participants swept through several provinces, raising slogans against the US and Israel, and expressing their rejection of foreign interference in their country’s affairs,” Al Mayadeen’s correspondent in Iran reported. “Iranians demonstrated in rejection of the armed riots and the accompanying unrest, stressing their commitment to security and stability.”
>“We have come to support our leader [Ali Khamenei], our ideals, and every single one of our martyrs,” one woman told Iran’s Student News Network (SNN). “Let our leader know, our lives are not more precious than the martyrs of the 12-day [Israel–Iran] war … We’ll give our lives to protect our leader and our ideals,” she added.
>Another girl told SNN that those rioting “are not the Iranian people,” while defending citizens’ rights to protest peacefully when faced with economic hardship. “If [the rioters] were truly of the people, they would be here with us now.”
>Civilians are also being targeted by rioters in a bid to pin the violence on authorities. This includes two young girls, one of them a three-year-old, who were killed by rioters in Isfahan and Kermanshah in the last few days.
>Scores of mosques, shops, government buildings, ambulances, vehicles, and homes have been vandalized.
>Hundreds of rioters have been detained over the past few days. Many were found to be in contact with foreign intelligence. Iranian authorities announced on 12 January that a shipment of over 200 pistols and shotguns was seized in West Azerbaijan province recently. https://thecradle.co/articles/millions-take-to-the-streets-of-iran-in-mass-counterprotests-against-riots-foreign-interference >>2651384New cope to add to this
>remember the Iranians CPs we spent 5 threads discrediting? They're actually on our lesser evilism side lol >>2651481>Ah so it's not a binaryif you could read you would know that article is from the 12 day war
>Glad you agree with CPI that these protests are revolutionary and workers should lead them to overthrow the regime.thats not CPI they just published someone elses statement and the statement doesn't say they should lead these protests(what protests they have been over for days) or to overthrow the regime (NOW as you said).
they say they should organize so that future actions are successful and supported by strikes(protesting doesn't do shit) and dont get coopted
you arent even a communist you are clearly an anarchist child who is probably not even thirteen
>>2651488
>to overthrow the government now
no it does not
>The CPI is calling for class war today like it did during the 12 days war.
and mehr has not critiqued this or made a statement at all about the current situation
>>2651488
>The CPI is calling for class war today like it did during the 12 days war.
An excellent reason for them to be shot tbh. Long live Islamic Revolution
>>2651484>someone elses statementIt's the statement of the Coordination Council of Left and Communist Forces that they're part of that you misquoted and brought into this 4 replies ago
>>2651430It is calling on workers to take advantage of the
revolutionary protests to overthrow the government now =during this critical period==
>>2651453 How do you reconcile this with your libshit primary contradiction class collaboration meme?
>>2651486The CPI is calling for class war today like it did during the 12 days war. Your libshit rag is in the same vain calling for class collaboration. They're axiomatically opposed.
Stupid retard.
>>2651495>>The CPI is calling for class war today like it did during the 12 days war. >An excellent reason for them to be shot tbh. Long live Islamic RevolutionThanks for being openly anti-communist. Your cuck friend here
>>2651493 didn't get the memo and is filibustering now after I spread his slimy lying cheeks
The Progressive Character of Bourgeois Nationalism in Given Historical Conditions and the Marxist-Leninist Attitude Toward Such Nationalism
Marxism-Leninism considers all questions in their historical settings. Marxism-Leninists view bourgeois nationalism under the given historical conditions. Drawing a distinction between its different objective roles, they decide what different attitudes the proletariat should take toward it.
In the early period of capitalism, the national movement led by the bourgeoisie had as its objective the struggle against oppression by other nations and the creation of a national state. This national movement was historically progressive, and the proletariat supported it.
In the present period, such bourgeois nationalism still exists in the colonial and semi-colonial countries. This variety of nationalism also has a certain objective progressive historical significance.
The bourgeoisie of Europe, the United States, and Japan has established the imperialist system of colonial and semi-colonial oppression in many backward countries. In such colonial and semi-colonial countries as China, India, Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, Viet-Nam, Burma, Egypt, etc., bourgeois nationalism naturally developed. This was because the national bourgeoisie in these countries has interests antagonistic in the first place to those of imperialism, and in the second place to those of the domestic backward feudal forces. Moreover, these feudal forces unite with imperialism in restricting and hampering the development of the national bourgeoisie. Therefore, the national bourgeoisie in these countries is revolutionary in a certain historical period and to a certain degree. Bourgeois nationalism in these countries has a decidedly progressive significance when the bourgeoisie mobilize the masses in the struggle against imperialism and the feudal forces. As Lenin pointed out (in a speech delivered at the Second Congress of the Eastern Peoples), nationalism of this type “ has historical justification ” . Therefore the proletariat, with the aim of overthrowing the rule of imperialism and the feudal forces, should collaborate with this bourgeois nationalism which plays a defiantly anti-imperialist and anti-feudal role provided, as Lenin said, that these allies do not hinder us in educating and organizing the peasantry and the broad masses of theexploited people in a revolutionary spirit. The clearest example of this type of collaboration was that which existed between the Chinese Communists and Sun Yat-sen.
Sun Yat-sen’s nationalism was a form of bourgeois nationalism. The Three Person’s Principle of Sun Yat-sen, as Comrade Mao pointed out in his New Democracy, has undergone great changes in the two historical periods before and after the Russian October Socialist Revolution. In the former period, it came under the category of old democracy, that is, it remained within the scope of bourgeois democratic revolution of the old world and was a part of the bourgeois and capitalist world revolution. In the latter period, however, it belonged to New Democracy, that is it pertained to the scope of new bourgeois democratic revolution and was a part of the proletarian Socialist world revolution.
Sun Yat-sen’s nationalism in the old democratic era had a dual character. His opposition to the current rulers of China, the Manchu Dynasty, had a progressive character. Yet the Greater Han-ism he advocated had a reactionary character. After the October Revolution, when China entered the New Democratic era, received help from the U.S.S.R. and from us Chinese Communists. He then revised his nationalism characterized by Greater Han-ism and turned toward revolutionary nationalism characterized by his active opposition to imperialist aggression and his adoption of the three policies of alliance with the Soviet Union, alliance with the Chinese Communist Party and support for the workers and peasants. He also advocated that “the Chinese nation should strive to liberate itself” and that “there should be equality for all nationalities within the country” (Declaration of the First Congress of the Kuomintang). Thus he turned toward New Democracy and we Communists therefore adopted the policy of collaborating with him. This collaboration was absolutely correct and necessary for national liberation and was in accord with the interests of the proletariat at the time, even though it was an unreliable, temporary and unstable alliance which was later undermined by the shameless betrayers of Dr. Yat-sen’s cause.
Although Sun Yat-sen’s world outlook at the time was still of a bourgeois of petty-bourgeois character, and although his nationalism was still a form of bourgeois nationalism preserving some reactionary features (for instance, his concepts of so-called “common blood” “state and nation” and “Greater Asianism” etc.), nevertheless he stood for the doctrine of a national revolution which called for “arousing the people and uniting in a common struggle with all nations in the world who treat us as equals.” He also put into effect the three great policies of alliance with the U.S.S.R.. alliance with the Chinese Communist Party and support for workers and peasants. This was an excellent illustration of the progressive character of revolutionary bourgeois nationalism in colonial and semi-colonial countries during the new era of world Socialist revolution. It was of enormous revolutionary significance.
However, shortly after Sun Yat-sen’s death, the brazen betrayers of his cause - the representatives of the big bourgeoisie such as Chiang Kai-shek, Wang Ching-wei and other reactionary leaders of the Kuomintang - began to turn Sun Yat-sen’s doctrine of national revolution toward the opposite and extremely counter-revolutionary direction. They swung from the anti-imperialist struggle to capitulation to imperialism, from alliance with the Soviet Union to struggling against it, from unity with the Chinese Communist Party to attacks on the Party, from supporting the workers and the peasants to slaughtering them. Moreover, they used the conservative and reactionary features of Sun Yat-sen’s nationalism as their anti-national banner. It therefore became necessary for the Communist party, in order to defend the interests of the nation, to adopt a firm policy of opposition to the Kuomintang reactionaries, who were headed by Chiang Kai-shek and Wang Ching-wei.
Of course, the Communists in other colonial and semi-colonial countries such as India, Burma, Siam, the Philippines, Indonesia, Indo-China, South Korea, etc., must for the sake of their national interests similarly adopt a firm and irreconcilable policy against national betrayal by the reactionary section of the bourgeoisie, which has already surrendered to imperialism. If this were not done, it would be a grave mistake.
On the other hand, the communists in these countries should enter into an anti-imperialist alliance with that section of the national bourgeoisie which is still opposing imperialism and which does not oppose the anti-imperialist struggle of the masses of the people. Should the Communists fail to do so in earnest, should they to the contrary, oppose or reject such an alliance, it would also constitute a grave mistake. Such an alliance must be established in all sincerity, even if should be of an unreliable, temporary and unstable nature.
The experience of the revolution in other countries as well as in China fully confirms the correctness of the scientific Marxist-Leninist conclusion that the national question is closely linked with the class question and the national struggle within the class struggle. An historical analysis of class relations reveals why in certain periods, one country is oppressed by another and becomes a colony or semi-colony of imperialism; why national traitors may appear in such a country, not only from the ranks of the feudal classes, but also form the ranks of the bourgeoisie - for instance, form the ranks of compradore, bureaucratic bourgeoisie in China. Such an analysis also reveals under what conditions, and under the leadership of which class, national liberation can be achieved.
An historical analysis of the class relations also reveals that although such outstanding national revolutionists as Sun Yat-sen sprang from China’s petty-bourgeoisie or national bourgeoisie, yet this bourgeoisie, generally speaking, views the national question solely in the light of its own narrow class interests and changes its position solely in accordance with its own class interests. In the same way, only the class interests of the proletariat are really in full accord with the fundamental interests of the people of a given country, with the common interests of all mankind. When the proletariat of an oppressed nation, as is the case of China, enters the arena of struggle and becomes the leader of the national liberation struggle against imperialism and the saviour of the whole nation, then every genuinely patriotic class, party, group or individual inevitably forms an alliance with the Communist Party, as did Sun Yat-sen (and thus becomes linked with the policies of alliance with the Soviet Union and support for the workers and peasants). On the other hand, those persons or groups - like Chiang Kai-shek and Wang Ching-wei - who oppose the Communist Party (an opposition linked with opposition to the Soviet Union and to the interests of the workers and peasants), inevitably become servile lackeys of imperialism and the most vile, contemptible national traitors who sell out their own country.
An historical analysis of class relations further discloses that under the new conditions, in the new period of accentuated international and internal struggle, as a result of threats combined with all kinds of tempting offers and enticements held out by the imperialists, and owing to the developing class struggle within the country, there may appear within the revolutionary ranks such people as Chen Tu-hsiu, Chang Kuo-tao in China and Tito in Yugoslavia. These people capitulate to reactionary bourgeois nationalism, betray the common interests of the toilers of all countries and place the liberation of their own people in serious jeopardy. They are the spokesmen of bourgeois nationalism inside the ranks of the proletariat. They cynically desert the cause of national liberation in mid-path, and they divert their country down the road leading to its transformation into an imperialist colony. The Communist Parties of all countries and each individual Communist must be alert to this danger.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/liu-shaoqi/1952/internationalism_nationalism/ch05.htm>>2651497>to overthrow the government now =during this critical period==no it doesnt say that. why would you link a post quoting something that it clearly doesnt say lol you are proving your own self wrong
>>2649241cia.gov, my most trusted news source
>>2651508>Taqiyya Have literally only ever seen zionists use this term lol, you're not doing yourself any favors here buddy
>>2651508Only unhinged Zionists care about the concept of taqiyya and use it to accuse every secular/"moderate" muslim of being Osama bin Laden in disguise (Zohran Mamdani is going to do 9/11 part 2 and whatever the fuck). Most muslims have never even heard of it. It's also such a generic, obvious thing.
>concealing faith or religious identity to protect themselves from dangerFucking duh. If you as a minority are in danger of being persecuted or killed you might lie about your religious identity to protect yourself, obviously. You don't need to know about some obscure term to know to do this instinctively. You don't think many jews tried to say "hello gestapo I'm not jewish actually" in nazi germany? Last year when HTS/SNA goons went door to door asking people if they're alawites and executing them if they said yes, some of them might have lied and said no to protect their families from being slaughtered. It's not some sneaky devious muslim thing, it's basic survival instinct.
>>2651554>Most muslims have never even heard of it. It's also such a generic, obvious thing.I know, but westerners are aware of it hence its western lefties doing it.
>>2651556What you actually mean to say is that some western leftists have secret islamist sympathies and are dressing it up as communism. You're taking the concept of "dishonesty" and attributing it to a muslim thing. And "taqiyya" doesn't even apply because no western leftist is in immediate danger of being persecuted for saying "Iran is anti-imperialist" or whatever it is that annoys you.
>>2651559It's a fucking joke bruh. I have Muslim heritage and I learned of taqiyya from interacting with westerners online
anyway I'll keep using the joke since this isn't a hug box
>>2651561>Imma keep using ziorat memes and talking pointsWOW!! Shocker!
>>2651566you might had a point if that was the extent of my argument
>>2651569Nobody cares about your retarded argument, especially if you use ziorat talking points to make it dumbass
>>2651571Zionist culture yeah
>>2651561I'll hug your box, bitch
>>2651573You're sounding like a crakker ass language policing purple haired western radlib there, buddy. Go to reddit if you want to complain about "coded language"
>>2651575I didn't say it's coded language retard, I'm not even calling it a dog whistle. I'm saying only ziorats use that term, it is a zionist talking point. Which you are gleefully repeating, because you are a ziorat
>>2651579>I didn't say I'm doing x, I'm just doing the exact equivalent but refusing the labelCool dude. Keep being a whiny bitchass lib about everything
>>2651380turkiye and azerbaijan were shilling for the Qajar heir monarch as an alternative lol, but they don't have the same support.
>>2651581It's not equivalent at all ziorat
>>2651609Yet another element of the Anglo-American cold war
Exodus status?
>>2651624Yet another element in the CIA-President cold war
fellas: can't we all just get along?
>>2651625Multishitbros our response?……………..
May all the cops that have died rest in shit. Smoking their pack.
>>2651642Watch it when talking about the people's™ police™
>>2651625Wtf why us china doing this to such an anti-imperialist country, they shouldn't do anything in this situation
>>2651653>why is a capitalist state doing capitalist thingthought provoking…
>>2651703They want to use that as a leverage to get into any talks about post-Maduro Venezuela. If Trump wants to impose a unilateral pro US government China can simply call back the debt to collapse said government. And no matter how much Trump loves to tardwrangle peripheral leaders like Modi or Gustavo Petro he knows to stay away from the lane of those he consider to have actual punches, like Russia or China. He can't simply ignore the debt issue
>>2651705You don't need to beat your head with a hammer to convince me that a neoliberal imperialist shithole raping the third world is good.
Try the other guy
>>2651705Geopolitics are not real guys they are cope invented by authoritarian regimes to justify debt repayment against global south nations like the new venezuelan government
I don't bros last time I checked multipoltard lore Delcy Rodríguez was zased and proof that Venezuela won, social democracy can work and the cult of personality isn't real
Did she go from anti-imperialist heroine to US stooge in one week? Well good thing China is about to punish Venezuelan workers for her crime
Geopolitics are bourgeois politics
>>2651807Isolationism is feudalist politics.
>>2651820How come? CPSU criticized Khrushev for voluntarism. Does that make CPSU ultroid bordiggers?
>>2651710So trve, China should have no leverage to oppose a total US puppet government!
>>2651807Geopolitics is a retarded pseudoscience from whatever year of the last century that postulated that country's politics were first and foremost based on geography and nothing much else. It's a pseudoscience the same way skull measuring was.
Today, geopolitics means international relations. No-alternative bourgeois worldview dominance had made nonsense pseudosciences like geopolitics or cybernetics mainstream and widely believed to be true - but only if you remove all their theory and use them as synonyms for foreign reliations and robotics. It's a bittersweet vindication of Soviet position on those issues
>>2651835Geopolitics in a modern sense is bourgeois politics.
>>2651832>muh chinaVictim of pinzhuang mating press
>>2651835Or better example yet, chiropractice. Every goddamn masseuse is a chiropractor now. They don't really do anything more than what they were doing before, hell, masseuses at hospitals are forbidden from doing harmful stuff, but they get paid more for the exact same thing they were doing before. It's a hype thing. Geopolitics is a hype name for boring old politics. Wow.
>>2651840Remember when realpolitik was the hype?
You really think capitalists would try to overthrow a country to take their resources? What are you some kind of conspiracy theorist?
first glowies go
>it's an inter-imperialist conflict
meaning implicit support to the actual imperialist forces
and when they fail to achieve their aim they go
>geopolitics is bourgeois politics
meaning "we failed, but here's why it doesn't matter!"
repeat
>>2652086>supporting the proletariat "implicitly supports the "actual" imperialist forces"uh huh
>>2652092Israeli intelligence operatives aren't "the proletariat".
How come shills stop posting when the threat of coup is passed? What could it possibly mean?
>>2651772I am in awe glowies fell for this and I feel eternally sorry for causing such a catastrophic thread derail. Anyway, protest status?
>>2652098Mossad agents are exploited productive wage workers. They produce regime change for a fragment of its market worth. Iran is oppressing the proletariat by refusing to topple itself.
>>2652137>Anyway, protest status?The Arak Soviet is building a Kirov airship to bomb Tehran as we speak.
>>265138020th century doesn't particularly matter.
All monarchies begin somewhere.
Pahlavi obsession is somewhat like Kaiser Wilhelm IIboo obsession: the attraction to the Pahlavis is for being a modern monarchy, while at the same time still actually being somewhat of a monarchy (not just a figurehead).
That is a sweet spot for contemporary monarchists is not being too anachronistic.
The Pahlavis also have contemporary freshness of memory–they are the most recent dynasty–any dynasty that is set apart by more than 2 or 3 generations of men might as well have never been, because monarchies are quickly forgotten after being overthrown for more than 80 or a 100 years.
Pahlavi is still recent enough to be relevant, but this is probably the last chance for Pahlavis because after this crown prince and the wife of the last shah dies, the Iranian diaspora will probably move on from Pahlavi.
My rule is if a monarchy has been deposed for longer than 100 years, it is hopeless.
It has only been a few decades of the Islamic Republic.
>>2651380>at least he won't have the taint of SavakPeople here long for the Soviet Union even though it had NKVD.
The only difference between Pahlavi nostalgia and Soviet nostalgia is roughly a decade.
The idea of the Pahlavis being restored isn't completely unprecedented or too late:
To go over the history of 5 examples as precedent:
Charles II was in exile for 11 years before the Stuart Restoration–11 years.
The Bourbon Restoration was 21 years–21 years.
Serbian Karađorđević dynasty retook the throne from their rivals Obrenović dynasty–45 years.
Spanish Bourbons interregnum–44 years
Cambodian monarchy interregnum–23 years
–These are restorations that actually happened.
(*Pahlavi time in exile is roughly akin to the time until Karađorđević dynasty took back the Serbian throne with Peter I).
I don't know any monarchy dynasty that has been restored since more than 45 years, but I think at best the Ethiopians claim to have restored their ancient dynasty (but I read that this is more of a national myth, so I regard that as miraculous)–so I think Pahlavis on this basis have a better chance than Qajars, just because they have foreign backers & relevance of years (that Qajar restoration would be miraculous like Romanovs coming back or another Bourbon restoration), but Pahlavis as pretenders have a better chance.
Pretenders generally loom as an actual threat at most for 60 years since their dynasty's exile/deposing (from what I have seen), like I said, two generations.
The Jacobites threatened for about 58 years, but after Bonnie Prince Charlie were no longer relevant (although there was plotting even after, so maybe 71 years max)–and he died about 100 years since 1688, so that is why I think after 100 years max that dynasties shouldn't be taken seriously as pretenders anymore–but realistically, it is roughly 60 years that pretenders in exile actually matter at best.
>>2651380>Pahlavists are the most retarded monarchists, their dynasty only took over in the 20th centuryConsidering all the above, I think Pahlavists actually somewhat have chance.
The most retarded monarchists IMHO are the staunch legitimatists that are still anticipating a restoration well after 100+ years (& that includes Qajars, yes).
I agree that it is better to hope for some other random person in power to seize control and proclaim himself a monarch than any dynasty after 100+ years (no matter how legitimate) – but a pretender isn't totally made irrelevant by time also works.
I guess it is arbitrary to decide when supporting a pretender is outdated, but that is where I draw the line – 100 years+ – because there are too many monarchists anticipating 100+ year old long deposed dynasties will come back, when that is way overdue – the time to support a pretender realistically speaking is 60 years at best, IMHO, but after 100+ years then it shouldn't be taken too seriously.
I'd say the same even for Romanovs (just to show no bias here), especially because they're more divided than ever on top of being deposed 100+ years.
Do you wonder is these protests would have happened if Iran was a socialist state rather than a theocracy? Cuba has survived sanctions way harsher than this without anti-government protests getting this big.
wow only 10 posts all day? langley not open on weekends??
Roundkick liberals into the Sun.
<Whither the Islamic Republic?: An Interview with Yassamine Mather on the Iran Protestshttps://cosmonautmag.com/2026/01/whither-the-islamic-republic-an-interview-with-yassamine-mather-on-the-iran-protests/>Yassamine: The actual trigger, as far as we know, because maybe there were triggers we don’t know about–there are lots of conspiracy theories about Mossad and so on, I’m not going into those.A cOnSpIrAcY tHeOrY?!?
>While Israeli intelligence support for the protests is difficult to trace, some hard evidence is available. The most concrete evidence of involvement comes from the Israeli intelligence community itself. On Dec 29, the Mossad’s official Farsi X (Twitter) account posted: “We are with you. Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.”https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/fact-vs-fiction-the-mossads-role-in-the-2026-iran-uprising/Mossad: "our agents are Iran, involved in the protests."
Liberals: "That's a wacky conspiracy theory!!"
>>2652630Errrmm akschually mossad is merely pretending to support the protests in order to discredit them
Exodus status
>>2652584>Material explanation?there is none, multipolarists want to just surrender and obey the state out of fear that the us will take advantage
>>2652644In a war one state is le winner one state is le loser. USA losing is better outcome than other countries losing. Le ICP said that, btw.
>>2652646>USA losing is better outcome than other countries losingobjectively true. people have been programmed to think in absolutes "muh Avengers versus Thanos" "muh Harry Potter vs Voldemort", but everything is gray and relative.
>>2652649It is not gray and relative. USA losing in a third inter imperialist war is better outcome. A lesser evil.
>>2652646>During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its governmentin a war between iran and the us, between submitting to the state and keeping on resisting the latter is preferable as it does not involve literally surrendering to the state
also it is amusing that people here ever even believed iran would have a shadow of a chance of victory against the US regardless of whether their working class is compliant or not
>>2652651Iran is not imperialist.
>>2652522Chat, is this real?
>>2652741he's a treasure. too bad his books are out of print.
>>2652550Cuba is also an island it's borders hold much tighter and it's 10 million people while Iran is almost 100 million with some pretty big cities. So of course it does have bigger protests and more death when shit goes down. Also to US cuba is an irrelevant relic of the cold war whose worst effect is that it's existence makes some people in Miami seethe. While Iran is seetheworthy it's also an direct threat to the greatest ally and US middle east strategy.
>>2652644You are a retarded faggot.
Was 1989 protests or SA uprising good because it was popular?
Supporting a non-communist maiden protest is how you end up creating syria and elevating fascism into power. You can fight for communism on independent class basis but never in so called anti-dictatorship united front unless you actually have momentum to dominate it.
>>2652584You are fucking retarded.
The question right now is not
communist rev. vs islamism
but
shah-supporting fascist-anticommunists vs islamist neolib anticommunists
which victory of first force would lead to fragmentation of iran and further triumph of Israel and US with zero chance of proletarian revolution due to lack of a sizable party or force.
You are retarded and do not understand the stakes.
IRON THIS:
WITHOUT A COMMUNIST MASS PARTY
NO REVOLUTION.
NO REVOLUTION
WORTHLESS.
>>2652818>Was 1989 protests or SA uprising good because it was popular? communists don't care about popularity
> Supporting a non-communist maiden protestthe online leftist is convinced that hundreds of thousands of people have been hypnotised by the CIA, couldn't be that their dollar collapsed overnight and that those people live in a shithole
> You can fight for communismi am, you on the other hand are defending the islamic republic of iran, a nation that executes communists as policy
seethe
>>2652823Are you schizophernic? Your position is not even leftcommunist but of mentally ill libtard-lefoid-redditorspeak during maiden protests or syria.
There is no communist party.
Those hundreds and thousands of protestors want shahdom and fascism, there is no communist momentum, because there is no party of mass scale.
You are defending a zionist movement against islamic iran and placing it false hopes that it would achieve anything of note, and that it is somehow communist and proletarian without any basis against every fact and reality by distorting definitions to the limit, because your redditurd sensibilities.
You are likely underage.
Simple as.
>>2652823Will this protests which call for zionism and liberalism worsen or improve?
Look at Syria and Afghanistan to see future of Iran if these liberals triumph. It would be even a worse dump, because any revolution that is not communist would be a failure by default.
Any revolution that is not communist will fail, and this revolution is not communist.
You are certainly underage. You will only face reality after your third 'maiden' and random leftoidspeak twitter posts about 'anarchist popular assembly' nonsense that disappears to nowhere after few months.
Your conception is fundementally wrong. It is not marxist or communist. Without a conscious and a powerful party, there will be no revolution.
>>2652838>call for zionism and liberalism worsen or improve?<source They're doing that?>the mossad said soMeanwhile the protest are calling for their neolib shithole to nationalize factories and oil
>>2649398 >>2652848>the real crime is they're robbing Iranian workers of the chance for changeCan you explain the logistics for how posting on a Kazakh Bathwater Discussion Board is "robbing Iranian workers"? How does cause and effect? What is the material explanation?
>>2652853Obviously talking the subversive elements in the protests, illiterate retard.
>>2652848You are fucking retarded.
You are not a marxist or a communist but a liberal and a leftoid future azovite.
Do not call yourself a communist or a marxist.
>>2652848'Subversive Groups'
The protests are super-super-majority anti-communist palahvi supporters who have absoluely nothing to do with marxism and communism, begin from this fact.
Iranian workers? They are not organizing based on any communist program, that makes them as useful as Ukrainian protests during maiden or Belarusian crisis - nothing. You retarded bitch, if there is no communist party, no momentum goes anywhere with zero exception.
You are mentally disabled despite being beaten
>>2652855Subversive?
THEY ARE THE FUCKING PROTESTORS. THE MAIN-STREAM IS THE ANTI-COMMUNIST LIBTARDS AND SUNNIS WHO HAVE ZERO INTENTION OF SOCIALIST REVOLUTION OF ANY KIND.
Can you not understand? There is no communist momentum in any way, shape, or form in Iran today. It begins from this fact. You are falsely proscribing it when none exists in reality.
>>2652832>There is no communist partyand obeying the state of iran won't help with that
> Those hundreds and thousands of protestors want shahdom and fascismthis is literally just your own delusion
keep seething
>>2652865Obey what?
The revolutionary potential in Iran unrest is zero.
You are mentally disabled if you contest this,
>>2652865>won't help with thatso you dont even deny it. you are a crypto-anarchist advocating worker suicide for the sake of spectacle
>There is no communist party.
Except the four in OP calling for strikes
>>2652873lol it really is a zionist
>>2652875Communist Party in abstract (or reified, if you prefer) form. That there are four "communist parties" active in Iran says enough by itself.
>>2652876Hamas (ex- Mossad funds recipient) agreed to turn Gaza into Trump-run free trade zone, not me.
>>2652572The mossad agents will still go to the gallows. Trump just spoke hyperbolically. Also the delay was probably as much if not more china's and Russia's doing. Just asking Iran not to commit bad optics and risk reigniting the protests. Trump himself didn't save anyone, at best he delayed their deaths.
>>2652848>death of thousands of Iranian workersAre you saying there were no students involved in the protests? Because those are not workers.
Are you saying there were no p-bourg involved in the protests? Because those are not workers.
Are you saying there were no MOSSAD agents involved in the protests? Because those are not workers.
And then you say shit like
>there is no room [here] to recognize the reactionary elements >>2652776Might as well just print your own. The content is freely available, right?
>>2652873>Defending Hamas is le badHow are these people freely allowed to post here? Posting images like that should be grounds for perma ban imo
>>2652892>my fee fees>ban heNot a hugbox
>>2652895Not a hugbox, but not a space to spread your zio filth either faggot.
>>2652741Iran was the final nail in the coffin for MLs pretending to be communist.
The state that purged its communists and dissolved its unions is also a neoliberal islamist shithole with one of the most liberal economies in the world since the 90s, it is everything MLs pretend AES is saving the world from, yet they still cheer for it regardless. The Lassalen sect opportunism is boundless.
>>2652899Both Iran and its pro-american pro-zion 'protestors' are both shit
You are stupid&retarded
>>2652899AND THE FUCKING PROTESTORS want even more austerity&liberalization, whole reason for crisis.
DONT YOU UNDERSTAND!! THEY WANT TO MAKE ALL EVEN WORSE, NOT BETTER.
>>2652899MLs have consistently (but critically) supported Iran as an anti-imperialist bulwark in the region. Your "le final coffin" idiocy just proves that you are completely new to this "leftism" thing.
>>2652899>I became a leftist last week You don't say
>>2652899>>2652909I don't understand how it can be so difficult for all these people to not have an immediate emotional reaction to a complex political topic. CPI themselves said that there is a real threat from, in their own words,
trumpian fascist bourgeois elements (liberal monarchists) that try to take control of the protests, they know the problem and are trying to deal with it. I support them in their attempts to steer things into the right direction. Even when these protests fail, they should come out stronger and more prepared. This doesn't stop you from acknowledging that imperialists support the liberals in the protests and that liberals winning in Iran would be an absolute disaster for every single person on planet earth except shareholders.
>>2652919 (me)
And all of this happens when we don't have reliable data on what is going on. Are communists making real gains right now? We don't know. Provide a good source if you have it. It is exactly as worth supporting as it benefits progressive forces and exactly worth opposing as it benefits reactionary forces. Neither of which we know. I would presume there is good ground for communists to work on since the country has just been bombed by westoids, but there is no data
>>2652919But the main fact is that communist and proletarian issues are not at forefront and liberal&monarchist&nationalist&even islamism competely dominates the protestor movement to degree of maiden.
There is less than 1000 communist cadre in Iran with zero achievements of note. This revolution has zero chance of winning, at least in this way.
It would obviously be ideal if communist revolution wins everywhere. Yet its impossible. In practice, this revolution can only be Syrian-like. Commuist Party in Iran should aim to capitalize on inevitable, but you are misguided in thinking that MAJORITY of protestors are with communism or even have class interest with communism.
>>2652919So we disagree on nothing. Why are you at me again instead of the libs celebrating the massacre of workers and discrediting local communists ITT?
I never undertsood Western ultras. It's either
>support Hamas
>but oppose the only existing state in the region that materially supports Hamas (Iran)
or
>oppose both Palestine and Iran
<??? implicit support of Israel???
Fact remains that the only consistent position is supporting both.
>>2652921Answer is no, it is better to be sober and rational about balance of forces.
>>2652925This protest movement will lead to nowhere and working class is not automatically revolutionary. The nature of Iranian protest movment is merely another maiden, and there is nonexistant communist force there. Nothing can be expected out of such situation. So the issue is conflating any protest with workers(as belarusian anti-lukh strikes or polish metalworkers strike) with potential victory of communism and so on.
>>2652929hamas is a reactionary force that has not even done anything beyond kill a few thousand israeli troops and damage their tanks, while they have sold their scraps of a nation to trump, iran is a cuck nation that has lost pretty much continiously for the past 6 years and have barely put a dent in israel or the united states, stop reading fantasy novels about how iran is actually so awesome, and look at what has happened and what is happening
>>2652932Iran and AOR are failures and shits, this is true.
But the protestor movement in current form will only lead to fragmentation of Iran and further collapse.
As long as there is no solid party before the rev. situation, nothing will materialize out of thin air.
It's this simple.
>>2652911>Iran as an anti-imperialist bulwark in the region
>hamas leadership wiped out>iran does nothing>gaza completely destroyed, population will likely be expelled >iran does nothing>lebanon invaded and hezbollah leadership wiped>iran does nothing>assad overthrown>iran does nothing>only starts fighting after their nuclear policy is threatened after which they retreat after a couple days after spending decades talking about wiping israel off the map>their currency becomes fucking worthless and they have a wave of protests so bad they've cut communications for dayslmao
>>2652932What currently existing political forces do you support in the region and in the wider world?
>>2652936loaded question, the national communist party of each country whenever possible
>>2652932Althrough its true Iranian leadership is expectedly sub-par, their opposition to GAE hegemony is still preferrable than alternative of balkanization pursued by zion-monarchist protestors.
Iranian govt is rotten, neoliberal reforms, austerity, corruption, graft, and betraying china, being cowardly, etc., but even with all that, Iran is far from the bottom that the zionist protestors are aiming for. This is why present protest is shit.
>>2652937Without party, proletariat is just a mass of disparate interests.
>>2652937The question was: political forces, not classes.
>>2652941>Iranian govt is rotten, neoliberal reforms, austerity, corruption, graft, and betraying china, being cowardly, etc., but even with all that, Iran is far from the bottom that the zionist protestors are aiming for. This is why present protest is shit.This
>>2652934The protestors seek to worsen such situation, however.
>>2652941>Without party, proletariat is just a mass of disparate interests.and you'll never have a party if you're constantly falling in line whenever the state is threatened
>>2652943classes are political forces
>>2652945>you must patriotically shut the fuck up and eat cardboard >>2652939So in regards of Iran, you can't support anyone, right?
>>2652924That's about what I was thinking but there are few ways to actually support that claim, people would have posted it by this point otherwise.
>>2652925I responded both to you and your opponent, as you can see we disagree on nothing and so now the person you were talking to or other observers can think about whether they agree with the point that this or any other political event is only worth supporting as far as real consequences of it go or they disagree and any color revolution is fine as long as they said "the people" and there are workers in their ranks.
>>2652946>classes are political forcesYou don't become a political force by merely participating in production one way or another. This is Marxism 101, kid.
>>2652946If it is fight between pro-chinese anti-communists and anti-chinese anti-communists, I'd prefer position of Stalin over this matter of supporting based on geopolitics.
>>2652949>You don't become a political force by merely participating in production one way or anotherthat is literally the basis of politics you fucking retard
>We see then, that, apart from extremely elastic bounds, the nature of the exchange of commodities itself imposes no limit to the working-day, no limit to surplus-labour. The capitalist maintains his rights as a purchaser when he tries to make the working-day as long as possible, and to make, whenever possible, two working-days out of one. On the other hand, the peculiar nature of the commodity sold implies a limit to its consumption by the purchaser, and the labourer maintains his right as seller when he wishes to reduce the working-day to one of definite normal duration. There is here, therefore, an antinomy, right against right, both equally bearing the seal of the law of exchanges. Between equal rights force decides. Hence is it that in the history of capitalist production, the determination of what is a working-day, presents itself as the result of a struggle, a struggle between collective capital, i.e., the class of capitalists, and collective labour, i.e., the working-class.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm>>2652951you are lower than a tadpole
>>2652948>That's about what I was thinking <le mass protests is le mossadnvm we disagree
>>2652954What is purpose of supporting anti-communist protestors? What is your position on Maiden and Syria? Support them as well?
I cannot understand why you are insistent and attached emotionally to these anti-communist protestors waving shah flags without social program of any kind, it is worthless kind that is pro-american and pro-israel. Why? Let them be slaughtered. Their value is null.
>>2652957>Let them be slaughtered. Their value is nullyou are playing a caricature on a dead obscure imageboard and you want to call other people worthless?
>>2652957There is no general strike.
There is small arak whatever that is uncertain whether its even real.
Its not proletarian and its already fucking over. This 'debate' could have been sufficient with a single sentence - let them kill each other. Who gives a fuck?
>>2652959You are not a commuist or a marxist, you are a liberal degenerate.
>>2652956How does the idea that a communist party doesn't automatically have leadership over the workers, let alone any "mass protest" elude you? Neither I nor the post I responded to mentioned Mossad.
>>2652954That quote doesn't disagree with anything I said.
>>2652923I'm saying it would result in perma bans if it were up to me retard. I don't care what the mods do. But nice going exposing yourself as a zionist sympathiser
>>2652954I'm on the side of Iranian workers but you're misquoting Marx.
The entire purpose of the party is to turn the economic struggle into a political one. What you highlighted is an economic struggle. Union consciousness is spontaneous and not revolutionary.
>>2652957You're not going to prove any evidence that the protests are pro-neoliberalism because you simply have non.
In fact most recent Irania protests including this one (see strike leaders demands) is calling for nationalization and end to austerity.
You can claim there is a small reactionary unpopular fraction that seeks that againt the will of the majority and your word would be backed by Iranian communists on the ground. But right now the only thing backing it is western media.
>>2652954Iranian workers are some of the most well organised in the entire word. You don't have to accept retarded claims like they have no party/leadership.
>>2652966Last waves of protests did have some better elements but this wave does not have any sort of demands. We are talking of 2026 astoturfed mossad-led protest&riot&terrorism backed by israel as means of balkanization, rather than earlier ones or even earlier economic unrest.
This is how anarchists end up dying for Azov. They never learn.
>>2652967Where is the party? There is none.
they never ever learn….
>>2652972Even an imaginary communist party is better than Iran's current government. I support the idea of the party. If enough people would do the same the party would materialize in days.
;^) give me your strength and i will magically materialize a strong workers party with my mind
>>2652974…and even fucking Iranian govt. is better than shitshow of shah-worshipping opposition and israeli-backed secessionists.
Communists have no horse in this fight. Let Islamic Republic win over monarchists preferrably, for sake of oil to PRC, but ultimately, won't result in anything. It's just a big fat nothing.
>>2652976Again and again, do not expect miracles. If there is no party capable of winning, no protest or popular revolt changes anything for the better. Remember that. All revolts without the party will lead nowhere without exception. Remember.
>>2652966>You can claim there is a small reactionary unpopular fraction that seeks that againt the will of the majorityIranian communists also say that
>A clear example of this danger can be seen in the activities of monarchist forces. Through deception and propaganda, issuing death threats, intimidating opponents, engaging in thuggery, abuse and misogyny—in short, by modelling themselves on Trump-style fascism—they seek to eliminate rival figures and leaders who enjoy popular support, aiming wishfully to claim uncontested leadership. This delusion works to the benefit of the Islamic Republic and to the detriment of the people’s revolution. As a result, the struggle to overthrow the Islamic Republic has today become inseparable from the struggle to neutralise and defeat this home-grown, Trump-style fascism.https://wpiran.org/english/statement-of-the-worker-communist-party-of-iran-on-the-new-round-of-the-uprising-of-the-people-of-iran/I am not that anon so it would be great if you provided these demands and also backed up that the protests are actually behind these demands and it isn't some peripheral group, right here. As it would be great to see proof from Iran that the protests are actually dominated by liberals and islamists. This position at least has the evidence from western media so it is more supported for now.
You know, to not be talking out of our ass. That would be cool.
It's the same story every goddamn time with these moralist pseuds. Somehow it's always the leftist position to them to support the interests of the US and Israel. Disagree and you're basically a fascist monster who loves to see the blood of the workers spilled, but not them tho, no their support for US imperialists is actually totally wholesome and doesn't result in bloodshed.
Fuck these people man, they make me sick
1. Iranian workers went back to normal life, shopping and working like any regular day:
https://rumble.com/v74g9zu-tehran-reality-check-daily-life-continues.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_v2. I support Iranian workers
3. I support people shopping and working in Iran
simple as
>>2652979It's already over. Stop investing yourself in fluke maidens and color revolutions.
>>2652979Hey retard, how about you learn to read
I said
>You can claim there is a small reactionary unpopular fraction that seeks that againt the will of the majority and your word would be backed by Iranian communistsYou cut my sentence and linked the Iranian communists that I'm saying agree with this correct position. That anon doesn't, he says the mass peotests are run by da juice, not that SMALL UNPOPULAR elements are trying to hijack the protests.
Proof they're unpopular and small elements? Read the WCPI (official line) article in OP who are IN the protests.
Proof of Iranian opposition to austerity and neoliberalism? Read the jpg you're replying to and any strike demand in the last decade like this one
>>2649398 >>2652939Which ones? They don't all agree with each other. PFLP supports Iran and supported Assad. Lebanese communist party is aligned with Hezbollah (at least last time I checked).
>inb4 they're irrelevant So is literally every other communist party in the middle east.
The DFLP was the only Arab communist party in Palestinian history and they were castrated by the USSR and made PLO and later Islamist lapdog
Early DFLP would be called ultraoid krakkka ziobot by western leftists
Arak soviet status?
>>2652987they are either cowards or collaborationists who have done nothing but go to bat for the reactionary failures of the region
>>2652947pretty much no one except the communist parties in exile, no, because they are either liberals, reactionaries, or cultists
>>2653139>gusano communismI'm not buying it, tbh.
>>2653147did you know the bolsheviks were also mostly an exiled party as well?
>>2653151They remained locally relevant throughout.
Bolsheviks =/= Lenin & co. in Switzerland
>>2653163most of their members were in other countries or stayed behind, pretending that the exiled communist parties (which are the best sources we have) are just "gusanos" is silly
>>2653163>They remained locally relevant throughout.They were a pretty small underground party until the February Revolution allowed them to start operating legally. That's when they grew rapidly into a major political force.
>>2653139>except the communist parties in exileThe 'communist' parties in exile and no longer operating in Iran are all pro-regime btw
The ones operating inside Iran want to overthrow the regime
>>2653199All the parties are in exile anon, including your favorite ones
>>2653223Except for the actual Marxist Leninists who followed the real movement and converted to Islam, but you westoids always pretend they don’t exist
>>2653228>but you westoids always pretend they don’t existMaybe if you could provide some evidence that they do.
>>2653228You're becoming nonsensical anon, it's ok, your little color revolution didn't go to plan. You'll always have Venezuela in the pocket at least and who knows maybe America and Israel will still come to the aid of their allies in the Arak Soviet, wouldn't you like that?
>>2653237But I support the IRGC though??
>>2653267Haha yeah totally man
>>2653338Even if they do start bombing it would likely be a nothingburger. Iran's security forces remain loyal which means that there is no armed uprising to assist like in Libya. Bombing will also likely bring some part of the dissident population back into the government camp. If they do launch airstrikes it will basically just be a tantrum.
>>2653338Yeah, was 50/50 on whether Trump’s recent reluctance to bomb Iran was a ruse. When everyone thought the bombing was about to happen, the airspace was closed in advance. At the start of the 12-day war, the airspace was not closed. They won't give advance warning when the real strikes happen.
>>2653338>NATOEuro fags are never this obvious about it. They're not attacking Iran unless a new coalition of the willing is declared. It's probably more relevant to whatever happening in Syria and Gaza.
>>2653344>>2653355I am understanding of how it would result into a nothing burger tbh but i am genuinely pissed how not only iran but other countries could effectively respond in the same manner, nobody has striked american bases or killed american soldiers/destroyed american equipment, and even if russia goes apeshit insane they still would be cucked to hit euro supply routes, there is never a equivalent response to western beligerance/sanctions done by other countries
>>2653378I'm hoping that by the end of the 2030s we'll see the PLAN send a substantial number of American ships to the bottom of the China Sea.
>all the dispora rats complaining they're not being supported by pro-palestinians when they never gave "support" to palestine or sudan or tanzania or kurds or any other conflict the past 2 years in the first place
I like Iran but killing 5000 protesters (conservative estimate) is pretty bad
>>2652925>the libs celebrating the massacre of workerswhat? where?
>local communists which ones?
>>2653826So why the fuck would you like it?
>>2653964
>downplaying a mass casualty event
What are you even talking about? My main criticism of the Iranian government's handling of this coup attempt is that they didn't kill enough people.
>>2652984>who are IN the protests.proof? evidence?
>>2653992
Khamenei himself said thousands had died. What do you think the real number is?
Now that the MOSSAD regime change operation has failed it is time to think about the children.
>>2654004>had diedyeah and obviously the only killers are the
regime120% of all dead were killed by the
regime and no one else.
i even heard from a reliable source familiar with the matter they were taking viagra to rape incubator babies
Ok guys, now that le color revolution™ is over, how long until the pisslamist regime engages in reforms to improve the living conditions of the working class, after all, that's the point of """"""AES""""" right?
>>2654107Iranian "people" have proven themselves to be petite bourgois CIA zionists and as such it is responsibility of Supreme Comrade Khamenei to make their lives worse.
>>2654099regimes do be like that
>>2654107If 10 Mossad ops were killed I wish it were 100.
If 500 Mossad ops were killed I wish it were 5,000.
If 10,000 Mossad ops were killed I wish it were 50,000.
If 100,000 Mossad ops were killed I wish it were every single agitator to the last.
>>2654107yeah every real marxist knows that iran and russia are actually existing communism thats why they support them and its not some bullshit strawman you just made up
>>2654162>>2654176Ok, but how many more weeks until socialism happens in Actually Existing Socialism??? 2 weeks top???
>let's consult the manual
These people are the ones calling me dogmatic…
>>2654464let's be honest here, you are a NATO troll, nothing more
>>2653826Which USCIAD press briefing are you reading?
>>2654211Two more oil fields sold to Euros and Americans and Islamocummism is achieved
>>2653508 >>2649398 Arak Soviet status?
Exodus status?
>>2654793>200 protesters represent millions Sorry chvd but the WCPI said there are few gangs infiltrating the protests, filming themselves shouting reactionary slogans in an isolated corner to seem more popular than they actually are and attacking protesters with knives for shouting against the shah.
These seems to be them here (if that event is even true)
>>2654793These were Jewish collaborators. Holy shit Iran is infested with Zionists
Dayum they were all killed
Lol where are the fags complaining about my threads being early.
Some leftard made a thread 55 replies early
>>2654902Still early, but not as bad as your "more than a 100 posts until the thread is full" new threads. You're just upset anon beat you to it and you couldn't put your whining about the Arak Soviet and the hundreds of thousands of massacred workers or whatever in the OP lmao. Take the L anon
>>2654903I obviously wasn't planning to make one. Still funny how I made leftards scramble to 'beat me' to it.
>>2654906I don't think he scrambled at all, probably just you projecting, considering there's less posts to the bump limit than all of your new threads
>>2654912That must be why OP doesn't contain a single comprehensible statement or update with sources like mine had :/
Speaking of projection, your ass is on fire right now, better take care of that.
>>2654923Firstly, that's just your option, imo posting the same story about the Arak Soviet 5 times in a row is worthless and I'm glad the new OP mixes it up.
>Speaking of projection, your ass is on fire right now, better take care of that.Care to be more specific?
New thread status?
>>2654964Gone the way of the Arak Soviet it seems, it lives on in our hearts
>>2649254Are any of the protests led by the communists? Or are they just generally supported?
>>2651384>>2651483Are those parties actually leading the protests or do they simply exist?
>>2655007>>2655010They support the protests generally. Considering they're calling for communists to join in and lead the protests, and for workers to establish councils, etc. They seem to at least be a faction in the protests.
>>2651384The eternal cope is muh Israel. Like muh Germans in 1917.
REST IN PISS TO THE ISLAMIST COPS THAT DIED LMAO
>>2654468No anon, you are just stupid
arak soviet arming themselves as we speak
The internationalist voice (Iranian leftcoms) just dropped a trvke big enough to mind break both pro and anti Islamists ITT
>Leftists and the Mujahedin claim that monarchists are attempting to influence the protests in favour of “Reza Pahlavi”[7] by adding audio to video clips, or that this role is being played by the Islamic bourgeoisie itself, which is confident in the harmlessness of the monarchist opposition. In other words, they argue that the promotion of monarchist demands within the protests is either meaningless or marginal. This claim is partly correct, but it does not capture the full reality.
>First and foremost, it should be emphasised that the nature of a movement determines the extent to which it can be exploited or redirected. In an independent workers’ movement, this possibility is considerably low; however, in an “all-together” movement, the scope for reactionary forces to intervene is much greater. Within this framework, a serious question arises: can the statement issued by students at Isfahan University, in which it was asserted that “the 1979 revolution was a historical mistake,” be regarded merely as the result of external manipulation and interference?
>For leftists who, through demagoguery, consider students to be “working-class students,” it is as if students necessarily advance the demands of the working class in every protest. In reality, however, students are not inherently revolutionary; at times, they can play a counter-revolutionary role, and at other times, depending on objective conditions and their connection to the class struggle, they can assume a revolutionary role. To clarify this issue, two specific examples can be cited.
>The student protests of July 1999 arose in response to the closure of the reformist[8] newspaper Salam. These protests served the interests of the reformist faction of the Islamic bourgeoisie, and students became instruments in intra-governmental struggles. Nevertheless, the movement exacted a heavy toll, leaving many dead and injured, and profoundly altered the fate of some of the students.
>In contrast, in autumn 2018, following the widespread workers’ protests, students openly expressed solidarity with the workers’ struggles and placed class demands at the centre of their slogans. By chanting slogans such as “We are the children of workers; we stand with them,” they effectively became integrated into a segment of the workers’ class movement and played a role distinct from that of previous periods.
>When the working class emerges as an independent social class in the course of societal developments, the scope for manoeuvre of not only the right- and left-wing tendencies of capital but also ultra-reactionary bourgeois forces and adventurist elements is sharply reduced. This is because the independent presence of the proletariat exposes the real contradictions of capitalism and prevents protests from being redefined and co-opted within bourgeois, pro-democracy, or imperialist frameworks.
>A clear example of this situation can be seen in the workers’ protests of autumn 2018, a period during which media outlets such as the BBC, Voice of America, Radio Israel, and other bourgeois propaganda instruments were effectively sidelined and lost the ability to influence the protests. Under such conditions, bourgeois tendencies—particularly the hypocritical and liberal tendencies of the Western bourgeoisie—were compelled to be silenced, as the language, perspective, and demands of these protests could not serve their class interests.
The shameful Islamic bourgeoisie has plunged into one of the deepest crises in its disgraceful history, and consolidating itself is not so easy. To demonstrate its power and to pretend it has a social base, the Islamic bourgeoisie issued a call for marches in all cities on 11 January. This call was an overt attempt to stir public sentiment and to draw people into a government-organised demonstration.
>On 11 January 2026, the state broadcaster aired a report from the Kahrizak forensic centre showing scenes of corpses in a large warehouse. The Islamic bourgeoisie claimed that these bodies belonged to individuals who had been harmed by “rioters” during the protests, but the main purpose was to stir public sentiment and garner support for the government. The report displayed photographs of the corpses and the names of the deceased on a screen, while grieving families were mourning and identifying their loved ones. Interestingly, these same images are circulated by Western media as victims of the Islamic bourgeoisie’s crimes. The state broadcaster also aired footage of government-supporting demonstrations, particularly in the cities of Ilam and Hamedan—areas where protests against the regime had been more widespread than elsewhere.
>The war between Iran and Israel is not the result of decisions made by warmongering leaders but it is the expression of the capitalist system today. Regardless of the political façade a state adopts—be it democratic or dictatorial, peace-seeking or openly militaristic—they all share one fundamental trait: sacrificing the working class as cannon fodder in imperialist wars. Without exception, they are all war criminals.
>>2655126So, uh, le interimperialist conflict? This is le interimperialist conflict, yes?
>>2655126>To demonstrate its power and to pretend it has a social base, the Islamic bourgeoisie issued a call for marches in all cities on 11 January. This call was an overt attempt to stir public sentiment and to draw people into a government-organised demonstration.And they succeeded, while supposedly real Iranians, despite having weapons and supposedly a support of everyone in the country, couldn't do a thing but hope for American humanitarian bombs
>>2655135Putting le before stating a fact doesn't diminish it ye know
>>2655268You seem illiterate, mentally disabled, witless opportunist or a combination of those.
>>2655276>I cant accept reality and must screechlol. Fact is, the islamists still have a strong base of popular support, and they demonstrate it.
>>2655327That must be why it suffers bi annual protests with hundreds of deaths and weeks of blackout that continues to date
Imagine having washed up shahcucks and cold war Islamosocdems as your political opponents and still fumbling this hard
>>2655917Imagine being so mentally challenged to think this libslop trash found in some Instagram Zoo is worth posting
stopped reading at resistance btw fell from the chair laughing xd
>only fans secular Iran
Liberals rather have underground state managed prostitution and sex tourism as long as women remain veiled in public.
This is really the root of all left retardation, aesthetics over substance. The same anti western degeneracy onlyfans incels will fight tooth and nail to maintain the community of women, prostitution and commodity production for a another 1000 years.
>>2655327>the islamists still have a strong base of popular supportthey obviously fucking don't
>>2655276This is an interimperialist conflict. Better?
>>2656644cunt they're having protests so bad they've cut off communications and are begging for iraqi militias to help them noone believes your cope retard
Arak soviet status as we speak?
>>2656668Retards said the same shit about kazakhstan a couple years ago
>>2657264kazakhstan literally needed russia to send in death squad to save their fucking oil baron republic
>>2657264And there were right lol
>>2655917Cringe and bourgeois pilled.
>muh """"anti-imperialist"""" government
which is crumbling under its own inherent contradictions because while it isn't western and yurocucked, it is still very reactionary and ill-equipped for contemporary demands.
>Want autonomy
>Form an anti-imperial government
>Literally any government will do, as long as it isn't West-cucked
>Choose Islamist one because fuck it, we're Muslim and it's easy I guess
>Surely we can sublate this later
>Admittedly the most advanced of the 3 Abrahamic religions when it comes to management of The State as a concept,
<(Muhammad was a literal king, who really did exist and there are specific instructions for how to run a society at scale, which is why the islamic golden age slapped back in the day)
<(thank you for the Mathematics, Medicine, Astronomy, literally the concept of the university, fucking NUMERALS…)
>anyways…
>two thousand year-old ideology is literally PRE capitalist, so the contradictions are extra fucked
>effectively make yourself the pure anti-thesis of the "west" because you're butthurt, for better but mostly for worse
>call it a revolution, but its incredibly backwards because you're using a value system that is purely anachronistic, so you're actually just retvrning instead of progressing
>the masses of your republic have access to international media through smartphones
>said masses leapfrog your own state-ideology, wishing to secularize like everyone else
>get sanctioned by everyone you stuck a middle finger to, even if it was deserved
>economy eats shit because duh
>state-apparatus ill-equipped and sluggish to adapt as needed because of everything I just said
>masses refuse to support NEITHER the west NOR the islamists, they want something entirely different
Leftypol poster who is a Duginist but for Iran for some reason:
>"Anyone critical of the Islamist Government is a western shill"
>>2657271Was a by the book color rev, "the will of tbe people" had nothing to do with it
"Protesters" without a clear organizing body can't coordinate to take over airports and govt buildings in multiple cities at once.
Theres no such thing as spontaneity, people have to be organized to do shit, the only question is who's organizing them
>>2657310No one read this btw but your liberalism is funny
I wonder where the private property fatwa, CIA-backed communist genocide, Israeli arms deals, free market reforms, union busting, war on terror support fit into your infantile classless narrative
>In pointing out that their mode of exploitation was different to that of the bourgeoisie, the feudalists forget that they exploited under circumstances and conditions that were quite different and that are now antiquated. In showing that, under their rule, the modern proletariat never existed, they forget that the modern bourgeoisie is the necessary offspring of their own form of society.
>In its positive aims, however, this form of Socialism aspires either to restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of production and of exchange within the framework of the old property relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.
Uh… bros? I thought it was possible turn the wheel of history 1400 years back but apparently our Islamist comrades are just liberals whose purpose is to kill commies and save capital :|
>>2657310>>2657775You're being silly. Islamists (especially of the kind who rule in Iran) don't want to literally recreate the 7th century caliphate. The only ones who ever seriously considered something like this are ISIS. They typically just want a modern bourgeois state with Islam as a state religion and Islamic principles informing their constitution.
>>2657780Cuckmenini was a third postionist, read his interviews, his letter to the USSR, etc. He claimed he escaped bourgeois politics because he put "the people's™" as a prefix for bourgeois institutions. Ironically he made Iran closer to the laissez faire dream than the Shah did.
>>2657782We're Marxists Anon, we know that there is no third position. Iran is a bourgeois republic and there is nothing remarkable about it in this regard. The fact that it's an Islamic Republic is really only of relevance on cultural issues like hijabs and gay people and such. Maybe you could say that the position of Khomeinei is unique but as I sad before, the role of Supreme Leader is roughly somewhere between a constitutional monarch and a supreme court judge.
Arak?
Soviet?
Status?
walls: graffitti'd
statement: made
revolution: failed
yep it's arak soviet time
>>2657969>soyjaks>you know what… le palis are bourgeois, hamas is bourgeoise, IDF is ze proletariat.ultraleft raider posting mossad bait
>>2657983comparing the armed wing of a settler warlord society to iranian proles is massive cope
>>2657969>Gaza genocide is le interimperialist war>But zionist sponsored regime change is wholesome soviet revolution Ultras try not to be ziorats challenge: Impossible
>>2657983How is Hamas not a bourgeoisie?
>>2657983>>2657987FYI one of the Iranian communist parties calling for workers to organize and lead the protests today created a regional united front for the defence of Palestine last year and had Palestinian unions join in
picrel was one of their statements
keep coping by calling people who have done infinitely more than you for Palestinian workers, le mossad
>>2657349>Was a by the book color revthe price of gas doubled overnight retard
> Theres no such thing as spontaneitywhat the fuck do you think riots are?
you people are lower than tadpoles
>>2657349>Theres no such thing as spontaneitysee>>2651592
>>2658005It was still cheap, was mostly petty bourg oil/gas industry workers getting uppity.
It's the only industry here that actually has unions lol.
There were riots, but those were mostly tech stores and ATMs getting robbed.
There was also an organized, coordinated body that was clearly acting according to a plan, while using the chaos as cover.
Again, can you identify an org or leadership of the riots in kazakhstan? Did anyone come out and represent the rioters and make concrete demands? No.
It was rival, west-aligned bourgs using protests as cover for a regime change op.
>>2658007Ok, where are the communists among the rioters? The average iranian doesn't even know that they have a communist party.
>>2658022>It was still cheapyou are not a serious person
>>2658031It was a pretty flimsy pretext, we've also had demonstrations over "perfidious chinese buying up our land", local bourgs afraid of competition
We have 11% inflation rate and prices have quadrupled since then, but no riots.
If a movement is not explicitly communist, then it's inter-bourgeois ops.
I'm glad they didn't succeed, being ruled by nazarbayevs wahhabist failnephews would have been worse
>>2657998i am not attacking or criticizing iranian communists or being a campist, i am attacking (you) as a person and (you) as a individual, ultroid ziorat!
>>2658036>It was a pretty flimsy pretexti guess it seem that way to someone whos biggest expenses are probably fast food video games and porn
>>2658040hey remember when you stole a tweet and posted it here word for word and then deleted it f@ggot
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