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Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
I live in the United States and we were always taught that he did but it was somehow a good thing. I understand that Gorbachev wasn't the one who collapsed it and that it was Yeltsin who did, Gorbachev's reforms just caused it to happen because it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up, but I still think he is somewhat responsible. It was reckless and stupid to abandon Marxism-Leninism for Social Democracy and it was also reckless to let the eastern bloc have elections knowing that the CIA would mess with them which they did. I understand that stagnation was a problem but he should of listened to Deng's advice rather than allow so much nationalist sentiment to brew up and illegally dismantle your country, I understand that the USSR kind of sucked domestically but foreign-policy wise it was the most moral superpower to ever exist, and the bar is very low.

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>>2653020
>it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up
Nationalist statements were around before Gorby, but they were kept quiet.
>it was also reckless to let the eastern
The eastern bloc was completely fucked up by debt. The USSR couldn't pay its loans, so it let them go.
>CIA
Why CIA? Imho, jews did this, uknow. These guys do a lot of conspiracy things.
>listened to Deng's advice
You mean China-style reforms? Well, Andropov started doing reforms like that. When Gorby came to power he kept going with that kind of reform. It was called 'Uskorenie'… and it fucked up too.

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The USSR was always a shithole with negative selection, where the most loyal, not the adequate, got places in the government.

>>2653021
>Nationalist statements were around before Gorby, but they were kept quiet.
Yeah he probably should of kept the quiet
>The eastern bloc was completely fucked up by debt. The USSR couldn't pay its loans, so it let them go.
These countries were sanctioned by the west so much just for having socialist economies to the point that they could not generate enough capital to pay back the west when they borrowed shit. Im not saying that life was "good" in the eastern bloc, I wasn't born yet and my family didn't live there but there has to be a better way then comply or die
>Why CIA? Imho, jews did this, uknow. These guys do a lot of conspiracy things.
Are you joking?!?!?! What kind of ACP bullshit is this?!?!?! I can't tell if you are joking or not but if you aren't then get a life.
>You mean China-style reforms? Well, Andropov started doing reforms like that. When Gorby came to power he kept going with that kind of reform. It was called 'Uskorenie'… and it fucked up too.
Yeah I probably should have been more aquatinted with the information before I made that take.

>>2653022
>The USSR was always a shithole with negative selection, where the most loyal, not the adequate, got places in the government.
MAOIST DETECTED! OPINON REJECTED!
Okay but for real that is kinda true, in fact it I also like the in current Russia and America.

>>2653020
>muh great man theory

>>2653022
This one is right. The pic is also edgy and correct. I think jannies will delete your post soon.

>>2653023
>These countries were sanctioned by the west so much just for having socialist economies to the point that they could not generate enough capital to pay back the west when they borrowed shit

Nope. They just fucked up with their uskorenie-style reforms. Investments didn't give that amount of income that party expected, so there was no money to pay back the loans.
Also, the eastern block regimes were more like market socialism even before the 80s. I don't think any tankie would call that socialism.

>Are you joking?!?!?!

Yup. The conspiracy theories about the CIA and conspiracy theories about jews are the same thing tho.

De-Stalinization caused the fall of the USSR. Gorbachev was only the final stage of that choice.

Stalinization caused the fall of the USSR. Gorbachev was only the final stage of that choice.

>>2653020
He was just extremely incompetent in handling the situation.

>>2653023
>better way than comply and die
yes,there is always the nuclear option (no not nukes) : finally admit le west wants you dead and they always will,and then you just wipe your debt off and no longer care about the US dollar

>>2653020
why is alunya in hell tho
let my nyaga out she didn't do shi

>>2653020
(marxistly) there were absolutely no broader material reasons for the collapse of the USSR. it was paradise on earth until gorbachev one day for no reason at all decided to allow balts to declare independence

>>2653031
>why is alunya in hell tho
>let my nyaga out she didn't do shi
Are you sure about that?
Also she is not, that is just a projection of her manifested for Gorbachev's personal hell.

>>2653030
>yes,there is always the nuclear option (no not nukes) : finally admit le west wants you dead and they always will,and then you just wipe your debt off and no longer care about the US dollar

I could be wrong but doesn't North Korea do that sometimes?

Gorby amputated a man sick with flu then called it a surgery

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>>2653020
>Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
Yes, along with Yakovlev, Yeltsin, and many others. Gorbachev structurally damaged the USSR in so many ways, via very stupid policies, and promotion of outright hostile entities like Yakovlev, and Shevardnadze.

While there was many problems, I believe it was largely fixable or manageable. And there were forces and general secretary candidates, that I believe would have led to the USSR being around today.

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The Soviet Union's first major stumbling block was the loss of the optimism that defined the Stalin era. Liberal historians often side-step this reality, but for whatever reason the Soviet people believed things would get better. With Khrushchev and onward, there becomes a pattern of every problem with the Soviet system gets blamed on the previous guy rather than recognizing some reforms were needed. Brezhnev's developed socialism showed the party was abandoning any attempt to reach communism in favor of a status quo that left everyone unsatisfied. Couple that with a frozen political culture that insisted on figures maintaining private and public facing views, i.e say the right thing but believe something else, a Gorby was inevitable. Ligachyov tried his damnedest though.

if the ussr didnt pursue gorbachevs questionable reforms, then it probably would have lived on. Yes the ussr had numerous issues, but what gorbie did is exacerbate
those problems

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>>2653072
Ligachev made some major blunders as well. Such as his push for the strongest anti alcohol prohibition possible, which is listed as a reason for the USSR's budget crisis. He also behind the scenes, helped Gorbachev get into power.

But he was no traitor, just made major errors and mistakes.

>a Gorby was inevitable

No, the USSR could have had Romanov or Shcherbytsky. They were no vain, star eyed at the west people like Gorby was.

And if Chernenko had lived longer, he would have rehabilitated Stalin.

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>>2653020
>Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
Only if you see its dissolution as its "fall". Gorby attempted market reforms and failed massively. He then allowed political liberalization.
The perestroika gave reasons to complain, and the glasnost allowed them to be voiced.

>Deng

He did do Deng style reforms. Simply, he also allowed people to voice their opposition. In Deng's China, the reforms almost destroyed the communist party, they were very far from being smooth.

>I understand that stagnation was a problem

Stagnation and authoritarianism was the cause of the "fall". Gorby's fuckups were only the expression of this generalized decline.
Every economic systems has period of growths and period of stagnation as it has to adapt to its reality. Whether or not a given economic system survives isn't based on its eternal component, but on its ability to reform. Technically, this is a key part of the material dialectic, but I digress. Stalin created in the USSR the idea that :
1. the party was everything and the party was the only way to advance in society
2. Dialectical materialism would lead to the inevitable collapse of capitalism.
Under Brezhnev's rule, bureaucrats which had been formed under Stalin, believed in this. This class of ideologues fought back against reforms, and prevented the USSR from ever reforming its economy until it was too late. The problem is much to be placed on Brezhnev than Gorbachev, who only tried bad reforms too late.

All this talk about internal reform, but why was Gorbys foreign policy "surrender to the west on every issue"?

>>2653096
>All this talk about internal reform, but why was Gorbys foreign policy "surrender to the west on every issue"?
Gorby had delusions that he could join the west, and bring about world peace. He also listened traitors like Yakovlev and Shevardnadze whisper nonsense in his ears, and also the crowds of western countries who shouted "GORBY! GORBY! GORBY!.

He was very vain, he was obsessed with the western coverage of him, as a man bringing "world peace", and "democracy".

And there was a liberal Soviet political tendency that thought the USSR and USA were converging, and it was desirable to do so. Gorby sympathized with this tendency.


>>2653020
Yes, in that he did the inverse of what the Chinese did. Gorby actually believed in 'freedom' and 'democracy' and undoing the iron grip of the communist party. Hence the whole reform effort rapidly undoing the Soviet empire and degenerating into liberal democracy.

If the USSR had followed the Dengist playbook, they'd still be around today. Open up SEZs, let capital in and trade out while maintaining the dominance of the party. Economic liberalization without political liberalization. Smash the working class until it obeys. Then smile and watch the socialist profits carry you to the moon.

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Bits from EPOCHAL INCOMPLETENESS. So who is Gorbachev and his gang? Where did he come from? So who is Gorbachev and his gang?

By R.I. Kosolapov https://kvistrel.com/news/ehpokhalnoe_nichtozhestvo/2020-05-24-1250


>I ACCUSE Mikhail Gorbachev of accepting the highest positions in the CPSU and the Soviet Union without the necessary training or experience and of bringing them to an end.


History abounds with cases of unfortunate, failed, and incompetent leadership, but in all cases, objective causes can be found. Nothing similar can be said about the situation in the Soviet Union in 1985-1986. Gorbachev took over a neglected, contradictory, but generally robust party and state system. Therefore, we can only speak of deliberate connivance with hostile and destructive forces, a conscious avoidance of constructive and decisive measures.

>I accuse Gorbachev of profound ignorance and intellectual provincialism, which he, through the efforts of shadowy hacks, preached as "new thinking for our country and for the entire world." With the shallow, egotistical dogma of "live and let live," he obscured the classical achievements of formal and dialectical logic, setting Russian humanitarian thinking back centuries. The bourgeois West applauded him only because of its interest in undermining the power and influence of the first socialist state and strengthening the private property system. The West had long dreamed of instilling its own vices in the rising socialism, dismembering and eliminating such a powerful geopolitical factor as the Soviet Union—Russia—from the international arena. And with Gorbachev's help, it achieved this.


I blame Gorbachev for taking on a task that was clearly not his calling and ruining it. Following Gorbachev, the country's leadership was taken over by people incapable of thinking and acting on the historical scale of the Russian Eurasian state, of a social, scientific, and technological revolution eliminating the antagonism between labor and capital—ignorant pragmatists capable only of pursuing personal well-being, while pushing a multinational people into oblivion.

>I accuse Gorbachev and his henchman Alexander Yakovlev of a monstrous deception that surpassed Goebbels' examples, and of unique political cynicism.


Gorbachev's propaganda promised to restore the "Leninist image of socialism," but instead, it embarked on a course toward capitalizing on the country. This fraudulent substitution was camouflaged by slogans of acceleration and democracy, glasnost and the rule of law, civil society, "More democracy!" and "More socialism!", "consensus" and "universal human values." Since 1987, the Gorbachevite team has been cluttering the consciousness of contemporaries with denigration of Soviet history and the Soviet people in general, consistently vilifying Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Bolshevism, the communist idea, revolutionary democratic thought, and the spiritual legacy of the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. Other, mostly dubious, "heroes" and "values" were urgently needed from historical oblivion. All anti-Leninist currents in the party were rehabilitated, as were all those repressed in the post-October years, including criminals, traitors, and the like. The defeated figures of reaction, from Kerensky and Kolchak to Hitler and Vlasov, received absolution.

Along the way, a pogrom against dialectical materialist social science was orchestrated, with the corresponding dismantling of established institutions, the emasculation of educational programs, and the dispersal of qualified personnel. Superstition and mysticism, shamanism and pornography, the propaganda of greed and violence, brutal individualism, and indifference to the Motherland were injected into the public consciousness. The pursuit of these swamp fires of "perestroika" has already ideologically and psychologically disfigured that portion of the younger generation that was 10-15 years old in the mid-1980s. Gorbachev once proclaimed Lenin's slogan, "More Light," but sowed darkness. To this day, book bonfires blaze across Russia, burning not only the works of Marx, Engels, and Lenin, but also the works of Rousseau and Hegel, Plato and Aristotle. Fourier and Saint-Simon, Herzen and Chernyshevsky - all who awaken the mind and do not let the conscience of honest people fall asleep.

>I accuse Gorbachev of falsely interpreting Lenin's thesis about "changing our entire point of view on socialism," of depriving the people of a promising national goal, plunging the working man into a hopeless struggle simply for the chance to survive.


When the Program Commission, established by the 26th Congress of the CPSU, convened in April 1984, I listened with particular attention to the speech of Gorbachev, by then Second Secretary of the Central Committee. Alas, it was strikingly empty.

During meetings with Gorbachev that summer at the Working Group drafting the new version of the CPSU Program, I became convinced of his narrow-mindedness and illiteracy. While the team preparing the draft focused on the most complex and pressing economic and social problems of the turn of the 20th and 21st centuries, Gorbachev's main demand, which immediately struck me as hypocritical, was to better reflect… Lenin's role.
orbachev disliked the section on overcoming class differences. Apparently already associated with shadow capital, he was uninterested in displacing this sector of the economy and, as is now clear, dissolving the stratum of the new bourgeoisie that was so close to him. Having advanced the false thesis of a "strong social policy," Gorbachev demanded that the corresponding section be opened with a paragraph on welfare, on what to promise the people. He was also dissatisfied with Lenin's statement in the text that the goal of socialism is not only the equality of nations, but also their fusion. This thesis was replaced by the proposition of the complete unity of nations. Gorbachev subsequently repeatedly returned to the "pernicious" theory of the fusion of nations, which he claimed was the main reason for the deterioration of national relations in the country, although he was well aware that the problem lay not in the theory, which was correct, but in the malicious practices of "architects" and "foremen" like Yakovlev.

>I accuse Gorbachev of distorting the historical path of the Soviet Union, which is formulated in the words "The Path to the Market."


The concept of the market, as presented and implemented during perestroika, is delusional. The ABC of economic science and practice is the primacy of the sphere of production and the secondary nature of the sphere of circulation. The market is the sphere of circulation, the exchange of value, the functioning of commodity-money relations. It is impossible without production; it thrives on production, filling itself with its products, and dies when production declines. Our "reformers," especially those of the infamous "monetarist" school, promised something absurd—a flourishing market while production declined. If previously Soviet people had goods, as was believed, without a market, now they have a market without goods. At first glance, this seems like another dangerous utopia. But this is only seen through the eyes of the dispossessed masses. Criminal capital, on the contrary, has mastered this very effective means of rapid enrichment, the unrestrained exploitation and plunder of workers, and the growth of its class—an army of vandals to plunder the country.

>But that's not all. By orchestrating the decline of Soviet production, Gorbachev's successors freed the Russian market for foreign goods. In doing so, the reaction accomplished at least two goals: it rescued foreign partners from the capitalist crisis of overproduction; and it reduced Russia to the status of de facto colonies dependent on the "Atlantic ration."

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>>2653207

>I accuse Gorbachev of having presented the market to the people as the path to abundance, but then quietly pushing through, in addition to the expected market for goods and services, a market for capital and labor. With the restoration of the latter, the capitalist mode of production is restored. This means that Gorbachev either didn't know what he was doing or was deliberately changing the social order. In both cases, he acted like a state criminal.


>I accuse Gorbachev of failing to heed well-reasoned warnings regarding the catastrophic consequences of his policies. I say this with all the more reason because I was the first to officially express my doubts about the validity of his policies after just nine months, in a letter dated January 15, 1986, shortly before the 27th Congress of the CPSU.


The letter noted the growing interest in Lenin's NEP doctrine in connection with perestroika, the beneficial effects of which many then believed. At the same time, it expressed concern that, for example, measures to support the personal subsidiary plots of collective farmers, workers, and employees were already being "tried to be used by some to contrast small-scale production, supposedly always more efficient, with large-scale production, effectively discrediting the public form of ownership of the means of production. I dare assert," I emphasized, "that amid the general ideological and moral upsurge in the country, a certain variation of the 'Smena Vekhi' views has also emerged among the intelligentsia, which cannot go unnoticed when analyzing the contemporary ideological situation."

Pointing out the discrepancy between Gorbachev's words and actions back then, I reminded him of his 1985 statement: "It is not the market, not the elemental forces of competition, but above all the plan that should determine the fundamental aspects of national economic development. At the same time, we must implement new approaches to planning, actively utilize economic levers, and give greater scope to the initiative of work collectives. We must more clearly define what should be planned at the Union level, and what at the level of the Union republic, region, ministry, and enterprise."

"It is, at the very least, perplexing," I continued, "that many economists are seeking ways to improve the efficiency of the socialist economy beyond the potential inherent in the planned principle, without even attempting to fully exploit it. The activities of associations, enterprises, and, in general, the links of socialist production have not yet been organically integrated with its goal—the satisfaction of society's material and spiritual needs. Yet, it would seem, the key performance indicators of any given collective—salaries, bonuses, and contributions to social and cultural needs—should depend, first and foremost, on the degree of participation of its members in achieving this goal.

Until now, the basis of the plan has not been a comprehensive study and forecasting of public needs, realistically linked to available production capacities and resources…

And one more thing: the currently used cost-based method of determining production results, although formally based on value units, is in fact a direct violation of the law of value. In our conditions, the law of value should guide the manager toward minimizing costs while maximizing the final product; the cost-based method, however, pushes toward maximizing costs with relative indifference to the qualitative and quantitative characteristics of the output. This method is one of the reasons for our notorious shortages, one of the factors that, frankly, have a devastating impact on the national economy. In my view, there can be only one solution (and it corresponds to Lenin's concerns, not to what is attributed to him): the alignment of all enterprises with production targets for product range, assortment, and quality, with strict accountability for their profitability (break-even or profitability).

"As for the 'recipes' for overcoming the current difficulties in the capabilities of small-scale production and the market mechanism, they can, of course, yield useful results, but they are local, temporary, tactical, and only with the simultaneous strengthening of proper planned management. Any other strategy would throw us back to those stages of economic development already traversed by our main and formidable adversary—state-monopoly capitalism. This, without exaggeration, is a question of our life, a question of the viability of our system" (Dialogue. 1995. No. 5-6. pp. 70-71).

>I accuse Gorbachev of implementing precisely this "different strategy." It was then, and remains now, shameless demagoguery to claim that there is no alternative. One was proposed and could have been urgently developed. But Gorbachev openly refused to listen to the other side (the letter was passed to him through Anatoly Lukyanov) and surrounded himself exclusively with its opponents. The result is well known. We were deliberately plunged into the elements of wild, antediluvian capitalism, led to the dismemberment of the country and its transformation, piecemeal, into a space for the colonial interests of the imperialist powers.


>I accuse Gorbachev of servility to the West and humiliation of the Fatherland unheard of since the time of the Golden Horde. I accuse Gorbachev of betraying our state secrets to the United States, squandering the nation's gold reserves, unilaterally disarming, and destroying the country's economic and political security. I accuse Gorbachev of biased support for Zionist circles in the Middle East conflict.


To this day, many intellectuals still call Gorbachev a "weak" and "tragic" figure. Compared to the historical tasks he was supposed to solve by the people's mandate, Gorbachev is not just weak—he's insignificant. I attribute Gorbachev's "tragic" qualities to the fertile imagination of the willing swashbucklers of whom there have always been many in Rus'. I believe he is a figure who fails to grasp the meaning of tragedy. If Gorbachev had been able to grasp this meaning, honor dictated that he commit suicide.

Of course, Gorbachev has his own special strength. It is the strength of a tenacious schemer, skilled in the unceremonious manipulation of decent people. Here, for all the simplicity and artificiality of his tactics, for all the garishness and lack of meaning in his speeches, no one can compete with him. Another strength of Gorbachev's is his imperviousness to the pangs of conscience. I accuse him of an obvious lack of conscience, a trait shared by his "doppelganger," Yakovlev, who loves to talk about a "chilled conscience." I accuse Gorbachev of having fulfilled only the promises he made abroad, only his commitments to Thatcher and Reagan, Kohl and Bush, but not to his own people. Gorbachev is a social anomaly: he could be trusted, foreign rulers were right in him, but his party colleagues, his fellow citizens, had no right to trust him.

Being a year older than Gorbachev and having graduated from Moscow State University in the same year as him, I consider him a disgrace to our generation and express my contempt for him.

orbachev's betrayal of everything that could be betrayed, his defection to the enemies of the Fatherland and socialism, means that he can have neither friends nor comrades in Russia, nor in the USSR. I have long searched historians for any semblance of this sinister figure, comparing him to Nero, Balthasar Cossa, Ivan the Terrible, and others, and in all of them I have found living human traits. But there is no likeness of Gorbachev anywhere. He has created a "black hole" in social and personal connections, a rift in humanity.

>>2653209
There's an attempt to demonize Gorbachev, to declare him the "prince of darkness," an emissary of the devil, and so on. It's fashionable to seek corresponding prophecies in the Apocalypse, Nostradamus, various mystics, and the like. And such texts exist. However, we mustn't forget that the pragmatic forces operating against us are completely alien to such fairytale romance. They simply cold-bloodedly plan their operations, using mythologies or historical dates as arbitrary milestones. This is done with calculation. The coincidence of a similar event with one supposedly allegorically predicted centuries ago produces the desired psychological side effect, lending the event a terrifying aura of "fatefulness," even though it's simply a soberly planned and well-paid scam.


I accuse Gorbachev of acting as a cover for such machinations, of thoroughly protecting agents of influence—the country's destroyers—who had been planted in its think tanks. Having proven himself a complete nonentity from the standpoint of leading a great power, Gorbachev has become, in this sense, a truly epochal negative figure. Until now, we have dealt with nonentities of, so to speak, limited scope, and allowed ourselves to ridicule and harass them. Gorbachev, however, is a world-historical nonentity. I accuse him of being a faithful instrument of global obscurantism, spreading irrationality everywhere and pushing nations toward thermonuclear and ecological catastrophe. I accuse Gorbachev of being a harbinger of the possible destruction of humanity—first moral, then physical—which must be avoided.


Recently, this gentleman published an article in which, after listing, at someone's instigation, all sorts of crises—of the "technogenic model," "models of social life," "global relations," "ideological," "modern civilization"—he lied again, declaring that "the dominant ideologies have proven incapable of either clarifying what is happening or offering a reasonable way out of the current situation" (Nezavisimaya Gazeta, October 12, 1995, p. 2). He pretended not to remember how he himself had surrendered and undermined the position of Marxist-Leninist ideology, the only one capable of resolving these problems. How he himself had made an unparalleled contribution to the spread of the general crisis of capitalism to the once socialist world, that is, to the stupefaction and degradation of the entire global community.


According to François de La Rochefoucauld, "The abuse of cunning indicates a limited intelligence; people who try to cover their nakedness in one place by this means inevitably expose themselves in another" (La Rochefoucauld de F., Memoirs. Maxims. Leningrad, 1971, p. 160). This is precisely why I do not propose any punishment for Gorbachev. If he is not intelligent, the most severe punishment might be obsessive fear. If he possesses even the rudiments of intelligence, such punishment might be the understanding that he has always, even during the height of his popularity, been a corpse in politics and a parasite in life.


Our long-suffering Motherland has been thrown far back historically. It is doomed to disintegration, degradation, and extinction. And Gorbachev's role in this should in no way be minimized. The orchestration of the backward movement from socialism to capitalism, from a young and promising model of life that has not yet fully developed to a social system that retains its rosy cheeks only because it injects itself with the blood of other children—this is, first and foremost, his work—this is the work of a dead man who, pretending to be a cheerful, lively man, strangles the living.


How hard it is for a dead man among people

Pretend to be alive and passionate!

But we need to, we need to join society

rub in,

Hiding the clanking of bones for the sake of a career…


(Blok A. Poems. Poems. Theatre. L., 1936. P. 209.)


This is exactly what Gorbachev the politician is like today.


Our people are kind and forgiving. They are inclined to forgive all and often love their prodigal sons more than their faithful ones. But we must remember: no matter how Gorbachev twists and turns these days, no matter how much he jabbers in criticism of the Yeltsin regime, it's all being done to muffle the clanking of bones. And we've had enough of this dance of death.


R.I. Kosolapov, 2003

>>2653026
>CIA conspiracy and jew conspiracy are the same
Yeah except for there being actual evidence of CIA meddling. GTFO SIONISTA

>>2653027
Only true answer, this thread is useless.

>>2653211
<I accuse Gorbachev of acting as a cover for such machinations, of thoroughly protecting agents of influence—the country's destroyers—who had been planted in its think tanks. Having proven himself a complete nonentity from the standpoint of leading a great power, Gorbachev has become, in this sense, a truly epochal negative figure. Until now, we have dealt with nonentities of, so to speak, limited scope, and allowed ourselves to ridicule and harass them. Gorbachev, however, is a world-historical nonentity. I accuse him of being a faithful instrument of global obscurantism, spreading irrationality everywhere and pushing nations toward thermonuclear and ecological catastrophe. I accuse Gorbachev of being a harbinger of the possible destruction of humanity—first moral, then physical—which must be avoided.

Gorbachev is the "harbinger" of humanity's destruction, not just the USSR.

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>The conspiracy theories about the CIA and conspiracy theories about jews are the same thing tho.

>>2653022
>if i mystify the mode of production i get pretty little pyramids
cute but also retarded

>Stagnation and authoritarianism was the cause of the "fall".
Nonsense, "stagnation" is mostly a meme, corruption became the major issue after Stalins death.

>>2653222
It's not a conspiracy theory to say the CIA tampers with other countries elections. Jews have nothing to do with it

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>>2653220

>After the 20th Congress, in the super-narrow circle of our closest friends and like-minded people, we often discussed the problems of democratization of the country and society. They chose a method as simple as a sledgehammer to propagate the "ideas" of the late Lenin. It was necessary to clearly, precisely and distinctly isolate the phenomenon of Bolshevism, separating it from Marxism of the last century. That is why they tirelessly talked about the "genius" of the late Lenin, about the need to return to Lenin's "plan for building socialism" through cooperation, through state capitalism, etc.


>A group of true, not imaginary, reformers developed (verbally, of course) the following plan: using Lenin's authority to strike at Stalin, at Stalinism. And then, if successful, Plekhanov and Social democracy would attack Lenin, liberalism and "moral socialism" would attack revolutionism in general.

A new round of exposure of the "cult of Stalin's personality" has begun. But not with an emotional shout, as Khrushchev did, but with a clear implication: not only Stalin is a criminal, but the system itself is criminal. – Alexander Yakovlev

Yakovlev couldn't have done what he did without De-Stalinization [and Gorbachev of course].

>>2653207
Is that true he died in 2020? Rip my guy if true.

>>2653265
Yep. He also spent his last remaining years archiving Stalin's work. Kosolapov is a Marxist-Leninist legend.

>>2653026
>Yup. The conspiracy theories about the CIA and conspiracy theories about jews are the same thing tho.
Most libbed up shit I've read on this site in while, quite the achievement

>>2653096
Gorby wanted to stop the cold war and the """totalitarian""" nature of the USSR. So, as a guise to stop the cold war, he conceded independance to the countries as a way of saying "look at us! we're friendly now!"

>>2653091
Tchernenko did nothing during his term. Altho it might've not been a gorbachev figure, the USSR would've had to have a rejunevated figure, like Andropov.

>>2653323
>chernenko did nothing during his term
It's not true. He did some education, and trade union reform. The point about Chernenko is trivia that he was going to legit rehabilitate Stalin.

>>2653027
True, it all starts with the corn man


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