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Internationalist Voice (Iranian) analysis of the protests (Jan. 4-19):
>Leftists and the Mujahedin claim that monarchists are attempting to influence the protests in favour of “Reza Pahlavi”[7] by adding audio to video clips, or that this role is being played by the Islamic bourgeoisie itself, which is confident in the harmlessness of the monarchist opposition. In other words, they argue that the promotion of monarchist demands within the protests is either meaningless or marginal. This claim is partly correct, but it does not capture the full reality.
>First and foremost, it should be emphasised that the nature of a movement determines the extent to which it can be exploited or redirected. In an independent workers’ movement, this possibility is considerably low; however, in an “all-together” movement, the scope for reactionary forces to intervene is much greater. Within this framework, a serious question arises: can the statement issued by students at Isfahan University, in which it was asserted that “the 1979 revolution was a historical mistake,” be regarded merely as the result of external manipulation and interference?
>For leftists who, through demagoguery, consider students to be “working-class students,” it is as if students necessarily advance the demands of the working class in every protest. In reality, however, students are not inherently revolutionary; at times, they can play a counter-revolutionary role, and at other times, depending on objective conditions and their connection to the class struggle, they can assume a revolutionary role. To clarify this issue, two specific examples can be cited.
>The student protests of July 1999 arose in response to the closure of the reformist[8] newspaper Salam. These protests served the interests of the reformist faction of the Islamic bourgeoisie, and students became instruments in intra-governmental struggles. Nevertheless, the movement exacted a heavy toll, leaving many dead and injured, and profoundly altered the fate of some of the students.
>In contrast, in autumn 2018, following the widespread workers’ protests, students openly expressed solidarity with the workers’ struggles and placed class demands at the centre of their slogans. By chanting slogans such as “We are the children of workers; we stand with them,” they effectively became integrated into a segment of the workers’ class movement and played a role distinct from that of previous periods.
>When the working class emerges as an independent social class in the course of societal developments, the scope for manoeuvre of not only the right- and left-wing tendencies of capital but also ultra-reactionary bourgeois forces and adventurist elements is sharply reduced. This is because the independent presence of the proletariat exposes the real contradictions of capitalism and prevents protests from being redefined and co-opted within bourgeois, pro-democracy, or imperialist frameworks.
>A clear example of this situation can be seen in the workers’ protests of autumn 2018, a period during which media outlets such as the BBC, Voice of America, Radio Israel, and other bourgeois propaganda instruments were effectively sidelined and lost the ability to influence the protests. Under such conditions, bourgeois tendencies—particularly the hypocritical and liberal tendencies of the Western bourgeoisie—were compelled to be silenced, as the language, perspective, and demands of these protests could not serve their class interests.
>The shameful Islamic bourgeoisie has plunged into one of the deepest crises in its disgraceful history, and consolidating itself is not so easy. To demonstrate its power and to pretend it has a social base, the Islamic bourgeoisie issued a call for marches in all cities on 11 January. This call was an overt attempt to stir public sentiment and to draw people into a government-organised demonstration.
>On 11 January 2026, the state broadcaster aired a report from the Kahrizak forensic centre showing scenes of corpses in a large warehouse. The Islamic bourgeoisie claimed that these bodies belonged to individuals who had been harmed by “rioters” during the protests, but the main purpose was to stir public sentiment and garner support for the government. The report displayed photographs of the corpses and the names of the deceased on a screen, while grieving families were mourning and identifying their loved ones. Interestingly, these same images are circulated by Western media as victims of the Islamic bourgeoisie’s crimes. The state broadcaster also aired footage of government-supporting demonstrations, particularly in the cities of Ilam and Hamedan—areas where protests against the regime had been more widespread than elsewhere.
>The war between Iran and Israel is not the result of decisions made by warmongering leaders but it is the expression of the capitalist system today. Regardless of the political façade a state adopts—be it democratic or dictatorial, peace-seeking or openly militaristic—they all share one fundamental trait: sacrificing the working class as cannon fodder in imperialist wars. Without exception, they are all war criminals.https://www.internationalistvoice.org/Recent reports from the streets by Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist) translated from Farsi (Jan. 7-13)
>The Iranian people do not need a military attack by American bombers, nor do they need international criminals to intensify sanctions and attack their livelihoods for freedom, prosperity, and equality, to be free from the clutches of the Islamic Republic. Lifting sanctions, preventing a military attack on Iran, and cutting off the hands of international criminals from their lives and struggles is the demand of tens of millions of people in Iran and the demand of their freedom-seeking movement.
>After two weeks of protests in Iran and their spread to various cities, the Islamic Republic has taken extensive measures against the protesting people under the pretext and relying on Mossad’s claims of its interference. The Internet shutdown in Iran, the arrival of the army to confront the protesting people and the loss of a large number of protesters and deprived people, threats to government leaders from the Supreme Leader’s Office to the judiciary and widespread arrests, attacks on hospitals and house-to-house raids, and all-out propaganda by the state media and attributing the protests to the people’s rights to Mossad, introducing every protester as a Mossad spy and their agents, have created serious dangers.
>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition, pushing back this movement and blinding its radical and freedom-loving horizon. One is by ordering an “uprising” and turning the protests into street fighting and terrorizing it, and the other is by suppressing them under the pretext of Mossad’s interference and confronting it!
>To Communists: come to the streets to prevent the protests from turning into bloodshed and to ensure their progress!
>Marginal forces whose efforts to ride the wave of protests have failed and do not have the social power to divert mass protests have officially today set the policy of bloodletting in the protests to their agenda by launching mercenary and armed gangs against their opponents, declaring an armed uprising, and prematurely bringing weapons to the field in the protests. These forces, along with the apparatus of repression and the internal gangs of the Islamic Republic, are the ones who are responsible for bloodletting in the protests and the lives of the people.
>The Rajavi sect has issued an order for an armed uprising and the capture of military bases. It is as if the "rebel centers" of the Mujahideen are going to "liberate the cities and then hand them over to the local councils"!
>There is no doubt that this heavily armed regime will ultimately be overthrown in an armed uprising. There is no doubt that the people who rise up and protest have the right to use any means and weapons to defend themselves and defeat the enemy. But sending young people to war prematurely is deliberately taking them to the slaughterhouse and mass protests.
>The movement and uprising of the hungry is going its own way and, independent of the small and large insects of reaction, with vigilance and open eyes, it is organizing, uniting and nationwide its protest and struggle, protecting its activists and leaders, and building its own future. Ensuring this is the work of us communists, the work of radical and freedom-loving activists.https://hekmatist[dot]com/fa/Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR 196 posts and 57 image replies omitted.>westard third worldist interacts with third worlder the results may shock you!
>>2680775you are black mould
>>2680837
its because this site is full of liberals who view anything slightly anti-us as a substitute for the working class
>>2680837
>Mossad/US sponsored regime change color revolution op is le wholesome working class revolution against evil theocratic/bourgeois/islamist/authoritarian/dictatorships
How many times are you guys gonna fall for it? When will enough be enough?
>Beheading thousands
Lmfao, bro get real
>>2680837
Next your gonna talk about Freeing Tibet
>>2680865>mossad>ciaProofs?
Hard mode: the proofs can't be mere claims >>2680871Come up with a less retarded cope
>>2680873You actually think the Mossad and US are not involved? Israelis admit it openly, they don't even need to hide it lol
>the proofs can't be mere claimsThat's rich coming from someone who just baselessly claimed thousands of protestors were beheaded
>>2680405The tudeh party is headed in Germany
>>2680865>How many times are you guys gonna fall for it?fall for what? their dollar became worthless and the state itself admitted to slaughtering thousands when they protested
i legit do not understand how you people don't just commit suicide, you people should be forced to wear safety helmets as if it were a crown
>>2680889>fall for what?Supporting the interests of the American empire dummy
>>2680892taking that line to its logical conclusion means that the working class should never ever revolt out of fear that another nation will take advantage
kill yourself lib
>>2680893>Imagining a completely different argument means Im right!No it doesn't dumdum
>>2680894no that is what you are saying, other nations naturally take advantage of unrest in their rivals, taking that reality as justification for doing nothing and being obedient to the state is completely servile
>>2680895>no that is what you are saying, other nations naturally take advantage of unrest in their rivalNo, it's not. Im not talking about some vague abstract of "other nations", I am talking about the US, its global empire and its direct opponent. You can try to extrapolate it to some universal maxim, but that's simply you coping and not being able to engage my argument on its own grounds.
>justification for doing nothing and being obedient to the state is completely servileIm not being servile to my state at all. Its representatives and agents, like you, are watering at the mouth at the thought of the iranian regime being overthrown
>>2680899>Im not being servile to my state at alli said THE state, the bourgeois state which includes the islamic republic, you are standing by it out of fear that any rebellion will help the us, that is servile, why exactly should the iranian working class continue to eat shit just to placate your own feelings on geopolitics?
>>2680902>i said THE state, the bourgeois state which includes the islamic republicI don't care about your abstractions. The iranian regime is not this universal bourgeois state, regime change in iran doesn't meaningfully effect this universal bourgeois state. In fact, it could only strengthen this THE state, by weakening opposition to US hegemony.
>why exactly should the iranian working class continue to eat shit just to placate your own feelings on geopolitics?I have literally no control over what the Iranian working class does retard. I simply don't agree with the sentiment that the current Iranian regime should be replaced by a liberal pro western one. Which, I mean, if you think there's any other outcome to toppling the IRI, you're beyond retarded.
>>2680913>I don't care about your abstractionsnot an abstraction
> The iranian regime is not this universal bourgeois statethe rianian state is a theocratic state that kills more of their citizens than they kill israelis
> In fact, it could only strengthen this THE state, by weakening opposition to US hegemony. lmao what opposition? it has lost in literally every single theatre of conflict against the us and its allies
>I simply don't agree with the sentiment that the current Iranian regime should be replaced by a liberal pro western one. Which, I mean, if you think there's any other outcome to toppling the IRI, you're beyond retarded.then you're not a communist and you should just join the DSA
>>2680881There is footage of the protesters' corpses, numbering at the very least in hundreds, with eyewitness reports from iran to corroborate. There's no proof given by the Iranian government that foreign intelligence agencies were involved in the way they were claiming (ie. releasing the crowd for attempted regime change) during the protests. They would release it, if they had any. I'm not saying we know for sure they are not involved in any capacity. However, Iran experiences these protests once every 2 years, and each time they crush them to the tune of hundreds of casualties, so you can fuck off with all the endless apologea for the IRGC.
>>2680930< The iranian regime is not this universal bourgeois state>the rianian state is a theocratic state that kills more of their citizens than they kill israelis Wild non sequitur lol. How is that related to weakening THE state through iranian regime change? Another israeli/US ally in the ME will facilitate this somehow?
>lmao what opposition? it has lost in literally every single theatre of conflict against the us and its allies Just because the US empire is the most lethal and strongest reactionary force in history and resistance against it is largely an uphill battle of unimaginable proportions, doesn't mean that opposition towards it is simply meaningless or worth discarding in favor of the interests of the US ruling class
>then you're not a communist and you should just join the DSAWhat else is there to say? You're just retarded. Keep dreaming about the Arak Soviet my friend, it must be fun in lalaland
>>2680962>Keep dreaming about the Arak Soviet my friend, it must be fun in lalalandthe liberal sees the working class as powerless hopeless but thinks the islamic republic, who's money is worth literally nothing and who's biggest opposition is unarmed protesters has even a shadow of a chance against the united states
lmao
>>2680957None of that is proof that "thousands were beheaded", a claim like that is pure atrocity propaganda
> There's no proof givenExcept that the israelis freely admit and have admitted for years that they have deeply infiltrated Iran at various levels. It is very naïve to assume they wouldn't use any opportunity to facilitate regime change in Iran, as they have been advocating for for years.
> once every 2 years, and each time they crush them to the tune of hundreds of casualties, so you can fuck off with all the endless apologea for the IRGCYeah I don't think it's flawless dog. I just think regime change facilitates US/Israeli/Saudi interests in the region and it would be a total clusterfuck. That's not apologia sorry
>>2680965Yeah bruh a liberal ally to the united states will be a much better fit lol, then they'll really do some damage
>>2680775I'll just double down.
Your 4 dudes deserved it.
Unlimited Third World Revenge!
>>2680771>random woman talkingwow everything she says must be correct and verifiable
>>2680968Saudi or US-aligned regime change is not a likely result here. In part because the US is not seriously interested in including Iran in its sphere of influence because it doesn't have a means to vassalize Iran, or even keep it in check. Iran is a nation of 90 million with modern military capacity, which means that the US is not realistically able to intervene without ruining its economy and destabilizing its own society. If the United States truly wanted to include Iran in its sphere of influence, it would have continued the Obama policy of detente and bilateral agreements to lower tension. They would have happily become a second Saudi Arabia or an Egypt. So an attempt to usurp the leadership of Iran to further US interests is not going on here. It's just standard destabilization attempts at most, which hardens the IRGC's rule more than anything. What we're witnessing in Iran is the simultaneous collapse of capitalism (at least in its present shape) and the government with nothing to replace it. This is why talking about these protests as a creation of the CIA and Mossad is ridiculous.
>>2681030>What we're witnessing in Iran is the simultaneous collapse of capitalism (at least in its present shape) and the government with nothing to replace itFinally someone who nails it in the head. The sanctions have de facto ended the existence of modern (or at least post mercantile) capitalism in Iran, but unlike in N Korea or Cuba the disintegration of the IR gov's functionality means that there is nothing to replace that. Whatever remains of the Iranian government at this point is just a patronage network for at most 20% of the population while the rest of Iran basically lives in an anarchic, precarious way of live. I do not doubt that Mossad played a role in the protests, but the idea that this is not a fertile ground for organic dissatisfaction is ridiculous
>>2681030>Saudi or US-aligned regime change is not a likely result hereIf the regime falls it is far more likely than anything else. There is already a huge operation in place to facilitate it, elements of the american ruling class have been pushing for it for years. I mean it's all right there and like you said, there's nothing inside Iran to replace the current government. The only remaining force of any capacity will be US alignment/western liberalism
Yeah Iranians deserve real anti imperialism (anti capitalism)
Sorry socialism with war on terror characteristics bros :/
>>2681038>the Iranian government at this point is just a patronage network for at most 20% of the population while the rest of Iran basically lives in an anarchic, precarious way of livehilarious, you guys are completely delusional
Anti-imperialist imperialist negotiations status?
>>2682296wtf bros I thought Qatar was wholesome 100 hamas iran acksis ally?
>>2680990you sit your ass and listen, chud!
Arak soviet status as we speak?
IRGC when unarmed protesters
>MULTINATIONAL JIHAAAAAAAAD!!!!
IRGC when literal US imperialists
>oh allah we are weak…
Resistance through US deals status?
>>2683854Thank you. I'm convinced now.
Total IRGC genocide of Iranian proles
>>2683872look how much damage these freaks have done to places like latin america.
>>2670901Don't think the U.S. really wants a war because Iran has a lot more ballistic missiles within range of U.S. bases than it does the bigger ones which can reach Israel, and there just isn't enough air defense. The U.S. fired off something like 1/4 of its THAAD interceptor stockpile in the last round.
>>2683913Iranian missiles killed whooping three (3) USA troops in the past decade, which includes ultra super serious operations like Qatar bombing and Soleimani retaliation.
Anyway the real reason the US doesn't want to overthrow the IRGC (yet) because it is the perfect attack dog for capitalists to subdue workers in the region. The US didn't fire a single bullet to defend its oil contractors in Iraq for the past decade because militias are there to do that job for them. Same with IMF austerity in Lebanon and its guardian Hezbollah.
is this still hapening i thot the protest was over last month
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