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Internationalist Voice (Iranian) analysis of the protests (Jan. 4-19):
>Leftists and the Mujahedin claim that monarchists are attempting to influence the protests in favour of “Reza Pahlavi”[7] by adding audio to video clips, or that this role is being played by the Islamic bourgeoisie itself, which is confident in the harmlessness of the monarchist opposition. In other words, they argue that the promotion of monarchist demands within the protests is either meaningless or marginal. This claim is partly correct, but it does not capture the full reality.
>First and foremost, it should be emphasised that the nature of a movement determines the extent to which it can be exploited or redirected. In an independent workers’ movement, this possibility is considerably low; however, in an “all-together” movement, the scope for reactionary forces to intervene is much greater. Within this framework, a serious question arises: can the statement issued by students at Isfahan University, in which it was asserted that “the 1979 revolution was a historical mistake,” be regarded merely as the result of external manipulation and interference?
>For leftists who, through demagoguery, consider students to be “working-class students,” it is as if students necessarily advance the demands of the working class in every protest. In reality, however, students are not inherently revolutionary; at times, they can play a counter-revolutionary role, and at other times, depending on objective conditions and their connection to the class struggle, they can assume a revolutionary role. To clarify this issue, two specific examples can be cited.
>The student protests of July 1999 arose in response to the closure of the reformist[8] newspaper Salam. These protests served the interests of the reformist faction of the Islamic bourgeoisie, and students became instruments in intra-governmental struggles. Nevertheless, the movement exacted a heavy toll, leaving many dead and injured, and profoundly altered the fate of some of the students.
>In contrast, in autumn 2018, following the widespread workers’ protests, students openly expressed solidarity with the workers’ struggles and placed class demands at the centre of their slogans. By chanting slogans such as “We are the children of workers; we stand with them,” they effectively became integrated into a segment of the workers’ class movement and played a role distinct from that of previous periods.
>When the working class emerges as an independent social class in the course of societal developments, the scope for manoeuvre of not only the right- and left-wing tendencies of capital but also ultra-reactionary bourgeois forces and adventurist elements is sharply reduced. This is because the independent presence of the proletariat exposes the real contradictions of capitalism and prevents protests from being redefined and co-opted within bourgeois, pro-democracy, or imperialist frameworks.
>A clear example of this situation can be seen in the workers’ protests of autumn 2018, a period during which media outlets such as the BBC, Voice of America, Radio Israel, and other bourgeois propaganda instruments were effectively sidelined and lost the ability to influence the protests. Under such conditions, bourgeois tendencies—particularly the hypocritical and liberal tendencies of the Western bourgeoisie—were compelled to be silenced, as the language, perspective, and demands of these protests could not serve their class interests.
>The shameful Islamic bourgeoisie has plunged into one of the deepest crises in its disgraceful history, and consolidating itself is not so easy. To demonstrate its power and to pretend it has a social base, the Islamic bourgeoisie issued a call for marches in all cities on 11 January. This call was an overt attempt to stir public sentiment and to draw people into a government-organised demonstration.
>On 11 January 2026, the state broadcaster aired a report from the Kahrizak forensic centre showing scenes of corpses in a large warehouse. The Islamic bourgeoisie claimed that these bodies belonged to individuals who had been harmed by “rioters” during the protests, but the main purpose was to stir public sentiment and garner support for the government. The report displayed photographs of the corpses and the names of the deceased on a screen, while grieving families were mourning and identifying their loved ones. Interestingly, these same images are circulated by Western media as victims of the Islamic bourgeoisie’s crimes. The state broadcaster also aired footage of government-supporting demonstrations, particularly in the cities of Ilam and Hamedan—areas where protests against the regime had been more widespread than elsewhere.
>The war between Iran and Israel is not the result of decisions made by warmongering leaders but it is the expression of the capitalist system today. Regardless of the political façade a state adopts—be it democratic or dictatorial, peace-seeking or openly militaristic—they all share one fundamental trait: sacrificing the working class as cannon fodder in imperialist wars. Without exception, they are all war criminals.https://www.internationalistvoice.org/Recent reports from the streets by Worker-Communist Party of Iran (Hekmatist) translated from Farsi (Jan. 7-13)
>The Iranian people do not need a military attack by American bombers, nor do they need international criminals to intensify sanctions and attack their livelihoods for freedom, prosperity, and equality, to be free from the clutches of the Islamic Republic. Lifting sanctions, preventing a military attack on Iran, and cutting off the hands of international criminals from their lives and struggles is the demand of tens of millions of people in Iran and the demand of their freedom-seeking movement.
>After two weeks of protests in Iran and their spread to various cities, the Islamic Republic has taken extensive measures against the protesting people under the pretext and relying on Mossad’s claims of its interference. The Internet shutdown in Iran, the arrival of the army to confront the protesting people and the loss of a large number of protesters and deprived people, threats to government leaders from the Supreme Leader’s Office to the judiciary and widespread arrests, attacks on hospitals and house-to-house raids, and all-out propaganda by the state media and attributing the protests to the people’s rights to Mossad, introducing every protester as a Mossad spy and their agents, have created serious dangers.
>The Islamic Republic has in common with the fascist governments of Israel and America and their pawns in the opposition, pushing back this movement and blinding its radical and freedom-loving horizon. One is by ordering an “uprising” and turning the protests into street fighting and terrorizing it, and the other is by suppressing them under the pretext of Mossad’s interference and confronting it!
>To Communists: come to the streets to prevent the protests from turning into bloodshed and to ensure their progress!
>Marginal forces whose efforts to ride the wave of protests have failed and do not have the social power to divert mass protests have officially today set the policy of bloodletting in the protests to their agenda by launching mercenary and armed gangs against their opponents, declaring an armed uprising, and prematurely bringing weapons to the field in the protests. These forces, along with the apparatus of repression and the internal gangs of the Islamic Republic, are the ones who are responsible for bloodletting in the protests and the lives of the people.
>The Rajavi sect has issued an order for an armed uprising and the capture of military bases. It is as if the "rebel centers" of the Mujahideen are going to "liberate the cities and then hand them over to the local councils"!
>There is no doubt that this heavily armed regime will ultimately be overthrown in an armed uprising. There is no doubt that the people who rise up and protest have the right to use any means and weapons to defend themselves and defeat the enemy. But sending young people to war prematurely is deliberately taking them to the slaughterhouse and mass protests.
>The movement and uprising of the hungry is going its own way and, independent of the small and large insects of reaction, with vigilance and open eyes, it is organizing, uniting and nationwide its protest and struggle, protecting its activists and leaders, and building its own future. Ensuring this is the work of us communists, the work of radical and freedom-loving activists.https://hekmatist[dot]com/fa/Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR 258 posts and 72 image replies omitted.PJAK Co-Chair on Iran Protests, Israel Ties, Pahlavi, and Regime Change
After the rapid geopolitical shifts in the region post-October 7th, 2023, the Middle East is undergoing significant change, with Iran and Kurdistan at its core. Protests demanding regime change have spread across Iran, especially in Kurdish areas, amidst communication blackouts and reports of mass arrests and killings.
In this in-depth interview, Rebaz Majeed, contributor to The Amargi, speaks with Amir Karimi, the Co-Chair of the Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK), from the mountains of Kurdistan on the Iran-Iraq border, a region permeated by PJAK guerrillas.
Drawing on the principles of the Kurdish struggle and the philosophy of Democratic Confederalism, Karimi argues that the current unrest is shaped by the disintegration of the rigid 20th-century nation-state system. He assesses the crisis of the Islamic Republic, discusses the crucial opportunity this presents for the Kurdish cause, and outlines the necessity of creating a democratic space in the future Iran led by the peoples' power.
In this video, we explore:
Are the events in the Middle East a threat to the Kurds or can they be an opportunity to advance the Kurdish cause?
PJAK's assessment of the remaining lifespan of the Islamic Republic of Iran's regime and what awaits Eastern Kurdistan.
What prompted the political parties of Eastern Kurdistan to issue a recent joint statement and agree on a common political framework?
Have Israel, America, and European countries recently contacted PJAK for political or diplomatic relations?
How PJAK can protect its independent decision-making from PKK influence despite being heavily affected by the theses of Abdullah Öcalan.
What is the geographical distribution of PJAK's organizational and guerrilla force in Iran, and why is their focus on "quality over quantity?"
PJAK’s "Third Line" policy towards foreign powers and the question of unconditional support.
Is PJAK prepared to establish dialogue and peace with the Iranian state, following the example of Turkey and the PKK?
The philosophy of "legitimate defense" and how PJAK's organizational force is preparing the people for all potential outcomes.
The long-term political project: Democratic Confederalism for Kurdistan within a decentralized Democratic Republic of Iran.
About the guest:
Amir Karimi is the Co-Chair of the Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK), a political organization operating in the Kurdistan regions of Iran (Rojhelat) that advocates for Democratic Confederalism and radical democracy in the Middle East.
Watch the full conversation for a grounded analysis of why Iran’s current crisis reflects a more profound systemic breakdown and how a key Kurdish political force is preparing for the future of Iran and Kurdistan.
How Will the US Attack Iran?https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/how-will-the-us-attack-iran
>The threat of an imminent US attack on Iran has abated… for the moment at least. Donald Trump said that there will be at least one more round of talks between the US and Iran before a new attack would be launched. Iran is willing to do a deal that will guarantee it will not build a nuclear weapon and will likely make some concessions on the enrichment of uranium. However, Iran will not agree to eliminate or reduce its arsenal of ballistic missiles and drones, nor will it end support for groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. If Trump insists on Iran destroying its ballistic missiles and terminating support for the Palestinians and Shia in West Asia, there will be a war.
>But launching an attack on Iran poses many significant challenges… Some which may be insurmountable. Let’s start with the two most likely attack vectors: air-to-ground missiles launched by F-35s and Tomahawk cruise missiles launched from destroyers located in the Arabian Sea.
>Let’s start with the F-35s. The US Air Force flies the F-35A while the US Navy/Marine Corps flies the F-35C. The US Air Force (USAF) typically assigns 24 F-35A Lightning II aircraft to a standard operational fighter squadron. Squadrons are generally organized into six flights of four aircraft each, allowing for efficient maintenance, training, and deployment rotations. The US air force has between 20 and 25 active squadrons.
>As of mid-February 2026 (around February 12–13), the US Air Force (USAF) has a limited but growing number of F-35A Lightning II aircraft based or deploying in the Middle East (U.S. Central Command / CENTCOM area of responsibility). Recent deployments involve F-35As from the Vermont Air National Guard’s 158th Fighter Wing (Burlington ANGB, Vermont). Reports indicate 12 F-35As in total heading toward (or already arrived) Jordan.
>The primary airfield in Jordan currently associated with US Air Force deployments, including the reported recent arrival of F-35A fighters (from the Vermont Air National Guard’s 158th Fighter Wing), is Muwaffaq Salti Air Base (also spelled Muwaqqar Salti or Al Muwaffaq Salti, ICAO: OJMS). It’s a Royal Jordanian Air Force base, which is located near Azraq in Zarqa Governorate, eastern Jordan, that the US has used extensively for years, with significant upgrades funded by the US (e.g., $143 million expansion starting in 2019, new facilities, aprons, and a control tower).
>Off the southern coast of Iran, the US Navy/Marine Corps operates F-35Cs (carrier variant) aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (in the CENTCOM area since late January 2026), with one squadron (typically 10–14 aircraft, e.g., VMFA-314 “Black Knights”) embarked. These are not USAF assets.
>In addition to the Marine squadron on board the USS Abraham Lincoln, the carrier is accompanied by three destroyers: the USS Frank E. Petersen Jr. (DDG‑121), the USS Spruance (DDG‑111), and the USS Michael Murphy (DDG‑112)—all are Arleigh Burke‑class guided‑missile destroyers, according to multiple official and media reports. These ships use the Mark 41 Vertical Launching System (VLS) for missiles and each carries 96 cells total (32 forward + 64 aft).
>The exact mix in the VLS cells is highly variable and mission-dependent—no fixed “standard” loadout exists, as it changes based on theater, threats (e.g., air defense focus vs. land strike), stock availability, and tasking. If the destroyers’ primary mission is air defense, then most, if not all, of the 96 cells will be loaded with air defense missiles, such as the SM-6 (RIM-174, multi-role: long-range air defense, anti-ship, terminal ballistic missile defense). But the case of Iran requires the use of Tomahawk cruise missiles, which are designed for land-based targets. In land-attack focused deployments like the Iran contingency, higher Tomahawk loads are common to enable rapid, long-range precision strikes… This means 50 to 60 Tomahawks per destroyer. This also means that each destroyer would only have 36 to 46 air defense missiles. Working on the assumption that the destroyer would fire two Aegis missiles to defeat one inbound Iranian threat, each destroyer could only fend off 18 to 23 attacks.
>That is the first big problem… If Iran launches swarm attacks employing 50 drones and/or anti-ship missiles against each destroyer, the carrier strike group would have to withdraw from the battle and sail to Diego Garcia to re-load.
>The next big challenge is the air attack, most likely using the F-35A and F-35C squadrons. Based on public reports, there are 12 F-35As in Jordan and 10 F-35Cs on the Abraham Lincoln. Let’s start with the carrier based planes… The F-35C, the carrier variant, has a combat radius of approximately 600 nautical miles (1,110 km) on internal fuel in stealth mode (internal weapons bays only, no external stores). If the Abraham Lincoln sails within 100 nautical miles of the Iranian coast, the carrier-based jets could only fly halfway to Tehran before they would have to return to the carrier. Putting the carrier that close to the Iranian coast significantly increases the risk of attacks by anti-ship missiles.
>With respect to the land-based F-35As, they must carry their weapons in two internal weapons bays in order to maintain stealth (with four stations total: two inboard for air-to-air missiles, two outboard for larger munitions up to ~2,500 lb each),. This allows for a clean radar signature during penetration missions. Standard internal loadout (common for stealth air dominance or initial strikes) consists of 2 × GBU-31 JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition, typically 2,000 lb class with MK-84 or BLU-109 warhead) in the outboard stations, and 2 × AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) in the inboard stations.
>The land-based F-35As also have a combat-radius problem… The distance from the Jordanian airfield to Tehran is in the 850–900 mile range (often cited as “just over 500 miles from the Iranian border,” with Tehran deeper inland adding distance; some reports approximate ~900 miles or ~1,000 miles in broader regional context, but precise point-to-point is closer to 850–900). All of this assumes a direct line of flight. But Saudi Arabia and Iraq reportedly have denied the US the use of their airspace to attack Iran. Whether the US would choose to ignore their request is another matter.
>In order to fly deeper into Iran the F-35As will need to be refueled somewhere over Iraq. That creates another major threat… The Chinese reportedly have supplied Iran with a 3-D radar that has a range of 420 miles (aka 700 kms). If Russia has supplied Iran with S-400 air defense missiles, which have an effective range of 240 miles, then the Iranians will have the ability to engage the US aircraft well before one enters Iranian air space.
>I close with an even bigger question… If the US military, with two aircraft carriers, four destroyers and one cruiser could not destroy the missile capability of the Houthis, why do the Generals in the Department of War think they can wipe out Iran’s missile capability with a smaller force? >>2701451So no that's a no then?
>>2701440There was that one source you guys kept ignoring. Meanwhile shitlamic republic killed 3000
>>2701493>killed 3000Iran sure has grown a lot since the times of Xerxes I.
>>2701493So nothing concrete then? Are you finally ready to admit there really was never any Arak Soviet?
>Muh 3000 gazillion deaths Irrelevant
The best hope for the Arak Soviet is if the US invades and topples the regime.
>>2701495The more likely explanation is that it was shortlived because irgc dispersed any attempt at proles organizing.
>irrelevantHow is thousands of people getting killed for protest irrelevant? Even if you're a criticalsupportfag (trots invented this position btw) this says a lot about the instability of the iranian state
>>2701505Of course the government is unstable, that Gorbachevite Pezeshkian has been undermining the revolution for years. No one serious thinks otherwise.
>>2701505No the most likely explanation is that it's just some rumour or nothing burger that you took as facts because you're desperate for this whole thing to be some sort of legitimate prole uprising, rather than a US/Israeli sponsored regime change attempt by the libs and petit bourgs.
>It says a lot It really doesn't, we all already knew Iran is unstable as fuck. The risk of the government being overthrown and replaced with some western aligned monarchist or whatever is enormous. The chance that it'll spill over into a proletarian/communist revolution is practically non existent
>>2701514>us/israeli sponsored regime change attemptKek. And you say I'm coping?
>>2701517>US/Israel are not involved in Iran at allHow stupid are you? lmfao
>>2701517such bright glow is hurting my eyes
>>2701522
kys imperialist
>>2701493>>2701493One (1) 'source' (i.e one random person)
>>2701522ziorat imperialist
>>2701531No, that's just you coping. the protests being US/Israeli sponsored and US/Israeli being involved with them means the same thing.
It is in their interest and they are making sure their interests are met in whatever way they can. If you think that's not the case and USreal has a laissez faire attitude to Iran's internal political stability you are beyond naïve and stupid, to the point of being actively malicious in trying to run cover for them
>>2701547Any protest movement from people in a country that has a geopolitical rival is in the rival's interest. I do not give a fuck about the preservation of the Iranian government, and nobody in their right mind should, because even if those regime change fantasies were playing out exactly as many here speculate about, it would change literally nothing except the name on the can of the bourgeois state. Secondly, if the US wanted Iran in its sphere, it would only need to continue Obama policy, the cuckslamists would agree in a heartbeat, they are already desperate to sell oil to the western powers they claim to hate, while offering scraps to its own population. Nothing the US and Israel is doing overshadows the fact that the Iranian state is collapsing from its own contradictions and the contradictions of capitalism, and I hold no empathy for it in this regard. Get the cope about Iran being an anti-imperialist bulwark or whatever out of your head if you don't want to look like an idiot.
>>2701573>Any protest movement from people in a country that has a geopolitical rival is in the rival's interestIrrelevant
> I do not give a fuck about the preservation of the Iranian government, and nobody in their right mind should, because even if those regime change fantasies were playing out exactly as many here speculate about, it would change literally nothing except the name on the can of the bourgeois stateExcept it obviously does change things for Iran's regime to be switched out for a pro-western, USrael aligned one. You are using "bourgeois state" as an abstraction to prevent yourself from looking at the situation concretely. As if the mere fact of a state being bourgeois means you should align yourself with the great satan in seeking its overthrow and if its all the same to you then why are you getting upset either way?
>Secondly, if the US wanted Iran in its sphere, it would only need to continue Obama policy, the cuckslamists would agree in a heartbeat, they are already desperate to sell oil to the western powers they claim to hate, while offering scraps to its own population. Nothing the US and Israel is doing overshadows the fact that the Iranian state is collapsing from its own contradictions and the contradictions of capitalismLike I said, they do everything they can to achieve their aims and interests, this is multifaceted and will take different forms as the years go by. You are helping them in by running cover for it
>and I hold no empathy for it in this regardNo one cares about your moralizing
>Get the cope about Iran being an anti-imperialist bulwark or whatever out of your head if you don't want to look like an idiot.Iran is practically aligned against USrael, which considers it a prime target for its imperialist ends. That is enough for me, I don't care about bulwarks this and that, though obviously their work in fighting the zionist dogs is much appreciated, sparse as it may be unfortunately, they do supply and aid Hezbollah and the Houthies and Hamas. Something you can be sure will be immediately over, should the government fall.
>>2701589>No argumentAlright, I accept your concession. Now, no more whining about iran ok?
>>2701594I will keep complaining for as long as you're giving your unabashed voot for the geopol lesser evil as they kill thousands. Just so anyone who stumbles upon this site doesn't think we're all retards
>>2701598But you conceded to the argument by not providing a counter, thus you probably should stop trying to defend positions you actually can't justify.
> as long as you're giving your unabashed voot for the geopol lesser evil as they kill thousandsThe US kills tens of thousands to millions more than Iran could ever dream of and you support them in this (for free)
> Just so anyone who stumbles upon this site doesn't think we're all retardsMind bogglingly retarded reason to hold a political position, you should actually kys my man
>>2701604>googoogagaNice projection retard, but you are the one who conceded the argument, not me
>>2701608You didn't give me an actual argument as to why not vocally supporting the Iranian government on the internet is the same as supporting US intervention
>>2701616This argument started as one about the legitimacy of the Arak Soviet retard
You immediately had to concede that it was "shortlived", because the irgc apparently killed them all or something (pure conjecture), I stated it was probably a nothingburger in the first place as the only evidence we have for its existence is one unsourced statement and some graffiti. Then you started coping about muh gazzillion dead proles, as if you know anything about the on the ground situation there and aren't just regurgitating what you heard from the outside. And about how that shows iran is "unstable", as if that was questionable before the protests lmao. After that you basically stopped forming arguments entirely and retreaded the certified ultralib classic of just restating things your opponent said without argument as if it is self evidently false.
Now you've reached the absolute bottom of your dialogue tree and are just complaining that this is all just talk over the internet, as if that doesn't apply to your own retardation as well.
USrael wants to overthrow Iranian regime, you support the overthrow of the Iranian regime through your speech on the internet by not voicing your opposition to regime change and in fact vocally being in favor of it, thus aligning yourself to and showing support for the interest of USrael, it really is that simple. Coping about how it's just internet talk, doesn't change the alignment of what is being said
You don't understand ultra, we just had to kill a billion Iraqi/Afghan with US support to acheive actually existing islamism
>>2701626> kill a billion Iraqi/AfghanActually it was a trillion.
>>2701631These islamic retards were fervelty anti-Saddam due to Iran-Iraq war.
>>2701633I'm sure the 5 million brown proles who were killed appreciate that
scratch a third worldist and a bushite bleeds
>>2701628>Think the global hegemon is somehow irrelevant to middle eastern politics>Shit nobody said>Thinks irgc admittance to killing protestors means anything for the existence of the Arak soviet>More shit nobody saidGod you are dumb dude. What's up with the non arguments? You know, if you have nothing more to say you can just admit that, no need for this embarrassing display
>>2701598>>2701573fuck off back to wherever you crawled out of you fucking retard, you're objectively a pro imperialist fuck that should be thrown out of any sensible progressive political movement because you're on the side of the worst reactionnaries
>>2701642Kek. Guess I'm not a progressive, I'm a commie
>>2701639No arguments?
>>2701665Yes, you have no arguments retard
>>2701493delicious cope. it never existed
It’s based as hell that the IRCG killed several thousand Zionists and I hope they kill more. Death to America, death to Israel
>>2701665no you're not, "being a commie" imply you are active in a commie org, and they would have kicked your imperialist ass out
>>2701674The IRGC killed thousands of its workers before bending over to the US like always xd
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