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The Japanese lower house election is underway, and all early reports indicate an overwhelming majority for the new prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. I guess just making your platform hating China works, especially if every poll shows youth support for her is in the 90%
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japanese turn out is so low. barely above 50%
pretty interesting how so many firstie democracies have turnouts that are just as low or lower than african democracies that are always mocked in the international press

>>2685755
It’s almost like democracy is a fake fucking concept we should get rid of

>>2685750
India and Pakistan have only skirmished, they have not actually tried to destroy each other. That's why I said *ultimately*. You can attack a nuclear power, sure, but only until they decide to whip out their nukes, which they will if you threaten their existence.

>>2685756
We get it dude, you want to be a dictator, you wanna be the new Stalin, but how about, uh, no and fuck off?

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>>2685773
how about you read some theory

>>2685773
While that anon may be a little overstating the case, there is no denying that post-WWII liberal democracies are hardly democratic whatsoever, and whatever democracy they had has been totally hollowed out over the last 40 years.

>>2685820
Liberal democracy is actually existing democracy and it fucking sucks, so fuck democracy period

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>electoralism
< :/
>electoralism, japan
< :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>2685820
>it wasnt REAL democracy, democracy is when good vibes only!!
kys radlib

>>2685827
rare leftypol trvke

>>2685828
We have election threads all the time stupid newfag

>>2685327
That had no effect on the election at all

>>2685609
Unironically the DPRK would nuke Japan before they even got one nuke and ROK will mutually agree

Wasn't the new PM campaigning on repealing Article 9? Isn't that a good thing for Multipolarism? Like yes they're fascists but a Japan with its own military and independence from the US is a better situation globally than a Japan that is just effectively a US military base. China can at least negotiate with an independent Japan while a US-vassalized Japan is totally off limits.

>>2685993
I personally couldn't care less about having article 9 or not but
1) Article 9 isn't going to be repealed until at least the next Upper House election
2) Takaichi's dream of an offensive Japanese military is one wholly integrated in the US defensive plans. Basically, think less of a Japanese military without US bases and more of a Japanese military doing the toilet cleaning at US bases in the Philippines.

>>2669530
>americans left
Sorry, what?!

Nobody's laid out the full results in this thread so I'll do it:

>LDP

Hardline Conservatives / Nationalism / MAGA-equivalent - 316 seats
>Centrist Reform
Liberals / Centrists / Democrat-equivalent - 49 seats
>Ishin
Right Libertarians / "Don't tread on me" types / "Anarcho"-Capitalists - 36 seats
>DPP
Moderate Conservatives / Neoliberals / "The Soft Right" - 28 seats
>Sanseito
Ultranationalist / Openly Fascist / Ethnosupremacist - 15 seats
>Team Mirai
pro-AI fetishists / pro-Big-Tech / Technocracy - 11 seats
>JCP
Eurocommunists / Dem Socs / Social Progressivism - 4 seats
>Tax Cuts
Single Issue / Right Wing Populism / Cut Taxes - 1 seat
>Reiwa
Edgy Liberals & Soc Dems / "Left" Populism / Social Progressivism / Minority rights - 1 seat

>>2686125
>LDP takes all
Shocker

>>2685993
Mate they are literally glazing Trump. There is no independent Japan. The only good Japan is a nuked one.

>>2685609
You support a fascist Japan over a socialist China. Retard.

>>2685736
If you have your own nukes this is true. If, hypothetically, France were to invade Britain, America could well veto British use of Trident but it could not veto France. That is to say, America could leave Britain to her fate.

An independent deterrent must be independent in order to deter. (Though frankly the whole theory of deterrence is looking increasingly ropey. "Actually it was the norm against territorial conquest that kept comparative peace" is looking more and more plausible, particularly when India and Pakistan go at it…)

>>2671481
I had a 19yo Japanese girlfriend who told me Chinese were buying land to build military bases in Japan, South Koreans belive they are Jesus, and rape and murder are Kurdish culture.

Most Japanese youth are right-wing. The propaganda and censorship in Japan are very strong. Japanese SNS is cancer, full of right wing echo chambers

>The LDP actually won enough votes to win 330 seats; however, due to so few district candidates from the LDP losing, it did not have enough candidates to fill its seats in the proportional tier. The LDP therefore forfeited 14 seats to other parties, including 6 in the Southern Kantō block, 5 in the Tokyo block, 2 in the Hokuriku-Shin'etsu block, and 1 in the Chūgoku block. These 14 seats went to the CRA (6), DPFP (2), Ishin (2), Team Mirai (2), Sanseitō (1), and Reiwa Shinsegumi (1). Meanwhile, Team Mirai forfeited two seats in the Kinki block, as its district candidates did not cross the 10% eligibility threshold to be elected from the proportional tier; these two seats went to the CRA and Ishin.
wow

>>2686803
what the actual fuck lmao

>>2686803
Explain this to me like I don't understand Japanese parliamentary procedure.

>>2686821
This is something that can happen in all (closed) party list systems and their derivatives. I mean there is nothing to explain here really. Roughly speaking the LDP didn't register enough candidates to correspond to their proportional election results and virtually all their candidates got elected where they met certain thresholds.

Like if there is an election for a parliament that has 100 seats and you are running a list with only 30 candidates even if you win 50% of the vote you can only fill 30 seats and not 50. That's what happened here.


>>2685834
>it wasnt REAL democracy, democracy is when good vibes only!!
How are you reading that into my post?
>>2685827
I agree. But these systems more or less functioned at one point, and they don't anymore. Like all systems they live or die by the economic period they are in. When the economy was prosperous, they were stable, when the economy is not they become unstable and authoritarian.

But to play devil's advocate, did the USSR work went the going got tough economically in the late 1980s? Not exactly.

>>2686803
How is this possible?
Do you just vote for a party and not a candidate, then the party fills the seat with internal candidates?

>>2687006 (me)
>>2686829
(Sorry I have burger brain)

wth is team mirai? wiki pake doesn't say anything about its positions other than e-democracy whatever that is

>>2687031
weird party heavily based on pro AI stuff

>>2686829
why can't they just get more ppl to fill those seats? seems like a weird rule to have

>>2687031
>what if democracy was computers?
>what if AI could solve all our problems?
>what if reality is a big computer simulation?
>we should invest everything in the current tech bubble and then AI will solve literally all our problems!
- that, is in essense the entire politics of team mirai. and yet they got more seats than the entire left.

>>2687077
Because recruiting randos that haven't been vetted by your political establishment is worse than giving the opposition seats, especially when you already have a supermajority.

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>>2669518
"NO CHINAAAAA I HATE COMMUNMINSM!!!!"

>>2687077
>>2687011
>>2687006
Btw, this happened to Sinn Fein as well during the last Irish election. In short Japan has a mixed system but yes the during the proportional part you do indeed vote for a party/party list. Putting up candidates is a lengthy and bureaucratic process, within the party org and with the authorities, so you don't put up randos. Also a Japan specific reason is that Japan has these extremely high fees to compete in elections as mechanism of political surpression so that forces parties to be somewhat strategical.

Except for the JCP which tries to run candidates everywhere, pays up the fees and doesn't even accept public financial campaign subsidies from the government because they run one of the most successful newspapers in the country.

>>2687144
Why hasn’t JCP been able to leverage their media success into electoral success?

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>>2685434
yys mentioned

>>2687147
The JCP has some core support groups like the teachers unions that religiously subscribe to the newspaper but that's the problem. It's a boomer party. Ironically despite being pretty progressive on many issues, the JCP is considered to be conservative party because it is perceived to represent an 'old politics' also you have to understand that is basically constantly being harassed by Japanese glowies and surveillanced, to the point where whenever they cooperate with moderate parties they freak the fuck out when they are also suddenly finding cameras.

Japan has like most Western countries a very monopolized mediasphere and the 'Red Flag' is considered to be newspaper that says it how it is. For this reason it is very popular among Western embassy staff (and glowies) to keep up with Japanese domestic politics.

While it's true that the average Nipponese normie is cattle who keeps voooting for the LDP every time, that still doesn't excuse the leftoids there from the fact that they're still hippies stuck in the 1960s. Completely out-of-touch.

>>2687241
To be fair Japan(in coordination with the CIA) exterminated their Communists and the average Japanese person thinks Communists want to eat their baby even if they agree with collectivization.
The Japanese "left" is just liberal controlled opposition that aren't a threat to US interests.

The Japans no matter how anti-china they are won't do shit militarily against China. Japan is already an American base, same as South Korea. It literally doesn't matter who's in power, Japans is a submissive state.

>>2693848
they are just like me

>>2685586
>Russia is an expansionist aggressive power BUT ALSO we should have no military and just rely on appealing to the UN Security Council in case they attack, please take us seriously and vote for us :)
JCP deserves to have 0 seats honestly, only the NHK Party espouses a more stupid party line.

>>2670997
First: ditch the racial slur and the “inferior ___ people” framing. It’s ugly, it’s lazy, and it doesn’t actually help you explain anything.

Now, the actual substance: you’re circling something real (status competition), but you’re trying to make it do 100% of the work when it’s more like 25–40% of the story.

Polls do show a lot of hostility, but that doesn’t prove “insecurity” is the main cause

If your claim is “a lot of Japanese people have a negative view of China,” polling backs that up hard.
•In the 2024 Japan–China Joint Public Opinion Survey (Genron NPO), 89.0% of Japanese respondents reported a poor/relatively poor impression of China, and 87.7% of Chinese respondents reported a poor/relatively poor impression of Japan. 
•Pew’s 2025 reporting puts Japan among the most negative publics toward China; only 13% in Japan reported a favorable view of China in that survey. 

But the same Genron NPO survey also shows this isn’t just vibes about economics or pop culture. In 2024, only 26.3% of Chinese respondents said Japan–China relations are important, while ~59.6% said they’re not important. That’s geopolitical alienation, not “they’re jealous of anime.” 

And it’s not just “people think things.” The survey also shows information environments matter: Chinese respondents who mainly used Chinese news media were far more negative toward Japan than people with direct conversation/visits. That screams “politics + media + nationalism” as much as “status anxiety.” 

Security and disputes are a huge driver (and you’re underrating them)

A lot of Japan’s modern China anxiety is tied to very concrete stuff:
•East China Sea tensions / Senkaku–Diaoyu disputes
•Taiwan contingency fears
•China’s expanding military activity near Japan

Japan’s official defense reporting has explicitly framed China as its biggest strategic challenge in recent years, and Japan has been accelerating defense policy shifts partly in response. 

You can layer “relative decline” on top of that, but it’s hard to argue economics is the primary cause when Japan is openly describing China in security terms.

Economic “flip” is real, but your timeline and the causal story are kind of myth-shaped

China overtaking Japan economically is not some brand-new shock.
•China passed Japan in nominal GDP around 2010, which ended Japan’s long run as the world’s #2 economy. 
•Japan’s more recent “ranking drop” has also been influenced by exchange rates and long-running domestic issues; for example, Japan fell behind Germany in nominal GDP for 2023 amid a weak yen and structural stagnation. 

So yes, Japan’s relative economic position has declined. But that’s not solely “China did this to Japan.” Japan’s post-bubble demographics/productivity problems are their own saga.

The “Japanese entertainment is stagnant” claim doesn’t survive contact with data

If you want to argue Japan is “losing soft power,” anime is a weird hill to die on, because anime is doing the opposite of dying.

The Association of Japanese Animations’ industry reporting (covering the 2023 market) shows:
•Total anime market (broad definition): ¥3.3465 trillion, +14.3% YoY
•“Overseas” category: ¥1.7222 trillion, +18.0% YoY
•It explicitly notes the international market overtook the domestic market again, with streaming + overseas driving most of the growth. 

What is declining? Old formats like “video” (physical media), because time moves forward and DVDs are not eternal. Movies also fluctuate year to year. But the overall anime economy and overseas pull are still growing. 

So if your thesis depends on “Japanese animation is stagnant,” you’ll need to rewrite that part.

China’s entertainment industry is growing, but “more output” ≠ “more soft power”

China has a massive domestic entertainment market. For example, China’s box office is huge but volatile:
•2024 box office: 42.5 billion yuan, down ~22.6% from 2023’s 54.9 billion yuan, per China Film Administration figures reported by Reuters. 

China is also expanding cultural reach through games and other formats. “Genshin Impact” is commonly cited in analysis as a globally successful Chinese-made game with real overseas impact. 

But soft power is about how you’re perceived, not just what you produce. Global opinion of China remains mixed-to-negative in many countries, and Japan is among the most negative. 

And in soft-power ranking exercises, Japan is still extremely high. In Brand Finance’s Global Soft Power Index 2025, the U.S. ranks #1, China #2, and Japan #4. That’s not “Japan’s soft power collapsed.” 

The historical framing: you’re right about a period, wrong about “always”

Your “Japan always saw China as inferior and backward” line is too absolute.
•Historically, Japan absorbed huge amounts of Chinese civilization (writing systems, Buddhist traditions, statecraft models, etc.). 
•Later, modern Japanese nationalism and imperial ideology did include strains of “Japan as leader of Asia” rhetoric, often tied to Pan-Asianism (which could be sincere, strategic, or imperial cover depending on the moment and actor). 

So: there’s a real story about modern-era hierarchy/imperial ideology, but “always” erases centuries of admiration, borrowing, and interdependence.

A cleaner version of your argument (that doesn’t rely on racial stereotypes)

If you want something that’s actually defensible:
•Status shift: China’s rise ended Japan’s long-standing “#2 economy” era (China overtook Japan in 2010 nominal GDP), contributing to status anxiety. 
•Security dilemma: Territorial disputes + military posture + Taiwan fears make China’s rise feel threatening to Japan beyond economics. 
•Memory + nationalism + media: Polling suggests mutual negativity is extreme, and information ecosystems correlate with how negative people get. 
•Soft power isn’t Japan’s consolation prize, it’s an active strength: anime in particular is posting record totals and rising overseas revenue. 

That gives you a multi-causal explanation that matches what we can actually measure, instead of turning two countries into a psychology meme with a racist garnish.

>>2687031
Their leader is currently doing sit-downs with LDP members to discuss policies and they are trending for all the wrong reasons for considering taxing people based on their individual ability

>>2694870
Thank you chatgpt-san.

>>2694870
Did you just use Chatgpt to argue lmao
>First: ditch the racial slur and the “inferior ___ people” framing. It’s ugly, it’s lazy, and it doesn’t actually help you explain anything
It is important to the modern day issue in Japan and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. Also the reasons you listed are literally made in the post including memory, nationalism,etc. So don't get the post except they didn't like pointing out post-Meiji Restoration Sinophobia

>>2694870
gpt kensei, I kowtow

>>2694870
posting ai without openly stating that you did so should get you permabanned. Fuck off and mods do your fucking work


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