The Japanese lower house election is underway, and all early reports indicate an overwhelming majority for the new prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. I guess just making your platform hating China works, especially if every poll shows youth support for her is in the 90%
>>2669518okay? hasn't her party hold a majority almost uninterruptedly since americans left?
>>2669530Ldp lost its majority awhile ago and relies on a partner
>>2669530Japan is effectively a one party state.
>>2669552and? its still a democracy (pejorative)
As long as Komeito is in government Article 9 is here to stay.
Nothingburger.
>>2669591Would removing Article 9 be a good thing for the world by (maybe) encouraging multipolarity or it will just be bad for China?
>>2669591well komeito no longer has an active hand in the government and split off from it, and has merged with the CDP to form the Centrist Reform Alliance
>>2669608>is a vassal of the US directly facing its main enemy reaming itself good for multipolarity?what do you think, it will be a net bad for everyone
>same party in control for 1 billion years wins again
yup
>>2669608Japan would never use the army to attack china, they would just invade smaller SEA countries.
>one party state, the west
heckin democratic!
>one party state, the east
NOO THIS IS TOTALITARIANS
>>2669788Excuse me sir r/neoliberal is next door
If it's like the 2017 UK election it'd be the funniest shit but most likely it's just bleak, the ineffectual liberal opposition have teamed up with a literal cult (komeito, previously in bed with the LDP from the late 90s until recently, since 90s Japan got antsy about cults after the sarin attacks and the LDP needed an upper house majority)
>>2669591Komeito aren't in government anymore and broke with the LDP ages ago, have you been sleeping under a rock?
Japan is a Hitlerite society.
>>2669518Japanese leftist pacifism is a major reason for this outcome. Opposing American military bases is entirely understandable, but rejecting both American bases and Japan having its own standing army is not a viable position nowadays
>>2670215If the Japanese Left let go of its pacifism wouldn't the outcome still look like this due to anti-China feelings in Japan?
>>2670215The mainstream Japanese left is already basically reconciled to having the SDF since ~1994 when the socialists joined a coalition with the LDP that made their leader prime minister, conditional on them accepting that the SDF was constitutional
(Another of the funniest things that's happened: a coalition of basically all non-LDP parties collapsed because a schemer named Ozawa - who'd kneecapped the coalition's popular leader by having him announce a surprise tax hike - wanted to basically freeze out the JSP but keep their votes… So the JSP, already in existential danger under a new voting system, said fuck it and joined with the LDP to freeze him out instead. The same guy would subsequently be intimately involved in fucking up the 2007-11 DPJ government)
>>2670146>Hitlerism is Americanism applied to EuropeI don't think you get anywhere with these insane exaggerations.
>>2670250But its a trvke. Nuremberg laws were copied from Jim Crow and were a watered down version of it, no one-drop rule for example.
>>2670251The Holocaust, which is what the Nazis were most infamous for, had nothing to do with the United States. When you say "the Nazis copied America," people are going to think you mean they somehow got he idea for the death camps from the US, when what you really mean is the Nuremberg laws and Lebenstraum.
>>2670253Nuremberg laws and Lebensraum are directly related to the Holocaust though.
>>2670220What's with the sudden rise in popularity of anti-China militarism? AFAIK a few years ago most people didn't want war and were ambivalent about China.
Unironically China should just nuke them. Maybe that will teach them some humility otherwise who cares? They society is a dead end anyway.
>>2670244It's not really uniform across all leftists, the JCP are still staunchly opposed to the SDF and even more so with this current PM. The JCP advocates for the SDF's ultimate dissolution as it's unconstitutional under Article 9. The basic bitch centre left CDP has very lukewarm views towards them. SDP acknowledges them, but completely opposes most anything with them outside of humanitarian roles in Japan
>>2669571Western lib logic be like:
>Iran is a country with competitive elections in which various parties present conflicting viewpoints and incumbent leaders often lose to the opposition>Japan has had the same party in power since they started having elections <Clearly Japan is a free democracy and Iran is an evil dictatorial REGIME >>2670867>Japan is a free democracyit is, they literally have elections lmfao. whats with leftoids who do the lib "not REAL democracy" shit like democracy is any concern to communists
>>2670878because words have meanings you fucktard. accelerationists are so embarassing
>>2670892>words have meanings you fucktard<accelerationists<accelerationists<accelerationists? lmfao the attempts at insults from illiterate pseuds get funnier and funnier
democracy is apparently completely divorced from bourgeois society. news to me!
reminder the japan socialist party used to net 25% of the vote and was the main opposition party once, now its probably going to cease to exist at the rate its going. has to be a case study on why the youth there are so rabidly right-wing, remember the radical student activism of 1950s and onwards?
>>2670279Yeah but they aren't the entirety of it. You can say that a lot of what is presented as uniquely evil about the Nazis had precedents in other Western colonial powers and you'd be correct. However what does set them apart is the degree of industrialization and systematization of their extermination efforts. Even the Belgians who killed a comparable number of people in the Congo killed most of them through working them to death or in reprisals for resistance. They didn't sit down and calculate how many people they would need to gas per day to wipe out a particular population, how many tons of zyklon this would require, how many train cars would be needed, etc.
>>2670898you are an embarassingly obvious accelerationist. you people get mad anytime someone tries to argue over anything beyond your understanding and you spam threads calling everyone a lib because theyre not hecking radical according to little timmy
>>2670902>japan socialist partywhat they propose is just milquetoast reform not too different from what the "rabid right-wingers" are already doing lmao
>student activism<radicallol their demands all stemmed from bourgeois society where everyone meets each other as a commodity owner
>>2670906is "accelerationist" the new midwit buzzword from pbs who do not exclude people due to class and can just pander to democracy as an acceptance of maintaining society as a whole?
>>2670907your entire post is better than any example i could come up with
>smug pseudo intellectualism>calling everyone a fake leftist/socialist>equating fascist neo liberalism with social democracy>normalising fascism>demonising people who actually organise and do things irl>getting mad because someone used a word you dont like (democracy)>repeating buzzwords you heard from leftypol/twitter/reddit>all while acting retarded because you dont want to actually engage with peoples points >>2670919you sound like the typical loser who only sees protests as a way to build some sort of "activist resume" lol
>get confronted with basic ass communist critique<ohh fucking purity teststhis is sad af
>>fascist neo liberalismlol from the same mongoloid saying "words have meanings you fucktard"
>>demonising people who actually organise and do things irlim in a union and only interact with proletarians, idrc about cross class movements :)
>>getting mad because someone used a word you dont like (democracy)you are the embarrassing retard saying "its not real democracy" lol
>>repeating buzzwords you heard from leftypol/twitter/redditthe projection levels are off the charts, is this b8 or are you actually this retarded? again, this coming from someone calling communists "accelerationists"
if you want a regular bourgeois democracy then just say so
>>2670926this isnt marxist critique. maybe its terminally online contrarian leftoid critique. thats the type of shit you see on twitter
>>>fascist neo liberalism>lol from the same mongoloid saying "words have meanings you fucktard"milei, bolsonaro, trump, kast, orban
this is 21st century fascism, which has different characteristics from italian fascism because of le material conditions. youre equating this with moderate social democracy. i just wish to understand what you hope to achieve from this? its evidently false. you gain nothing from lying like this other than normalising *actual fascists* just to be a contrarian and own le socdems!
>>2670957>milei, bolsonaro, trump, kast, orban>this is 21st century fascismlol. and MAS is 21st century socialism.
>>2670967so you wouldnt consider trump to be a fascist, but a member of a socialist party is hitler incarnate?
>>2670280China's sharp rise economically and culturally are making the Japanese insecure. Both anecdotal and polls show that is where a lot of it comes from. China was always supposed to be to the Japanese where the dumb Chinaman makes inferior gadgets working 5 cents an hour while Japan has the prestigious products. Post-Meiji Restoration Japan always seen China as inferior and backwards while Japan eas the true leaders of Asia. The truth is that Japan only had the chance that it did to dominate the region because Qing China was destabilizing and ended up collapsing. The collapse ended with the Warlord period and a Civil War which the Japanese took advantage of. Afterwards, Mao and the Communists had to uplift China from a century of humiliation while the Japanese got to gloat and end up in the top 3 economies by the 1980s only beatened by the USA and USSR and in some metrics even surpassed the USSR economically.
But now it is flipping. Japan is sinking economically while China surpassed them already.China building up its entertainment industry while Japanese entertainment,movies and animations are stagnant and even declining in many cases.
Japanese entertainment is the strength of its soft power after losing its economic power from China.
>TL;DR Japan didn't care about war or was ambivalent towards China because they did not see China as a threat and felt superior to them i want a japanese gf so bad bros but japanese people hate talking about politics so they find me cringe
>>2670878>implying democracy is "elections">implying communist arent fighting for actual democracy rather than the spectacle of liberal oligarchyyou're a fucking moron
>>2670365At the path that Japan is going, they will charge into Taiwan and end up in a Third Sino-Japanese War, but this time China will actually occupy Japan this time
>>2671062>China will actually occupy Japan this timeThey'd better not get away with it with just a fucking occupation. China should actually learn from history and realize the necessity of expurgating the entire root rather than playing the fools game of trying to pacify them.
>>2670997This, when SK was doing really good they hated them. They still do but china is the new target for their problems.
>>2671041>actual democracyThere is
no pure abstracted "actual democracy", this is basic Marxism!!!!
Elections is 100% a form of democracy, its the form favored by the bourgeoisie, not as some elite secret oligarchy, but as a class.
>>2670878>whats with leftoids who do the lib "not REAL democracy" shit like democracy is any concern to communistsCome on man, when you say stuff like this you just make it really clear that you get your theory from memes and vibes. Meanwhile here's what Lenin has to say about communism and democracy:
<Thirdly, in speaking of the state “withering away", and the even more graphic and colorful “dying down of itself", Engels refers quite clearly and definitely to the period after “the state has taken possession of the means of production in the name of the whole of society", that is, after the socialist revolution. We all know that the political form of the “state” at that time is the most complete democracy. <No, forward development, i.e., development towards communism, proceeds through the dictatorship of the proletariat, and cannot do otherwise, for the resistance of the capitalist exploiters cannot be broken by anyone else or in any otherway. And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags…
<Only in communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes (i.e., when there is no distinction between the members of society as regards their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state… ceases to exist", and "it becomes possible to speak of freedom". Only then will a truly complete democracy become possible and be realized, a democracy without any exceptions whatever. Communists have always placed a strong emphasis on democracy, hence the official names of AES states such as Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the German Democratic Republic.
>>2670997> China building up its entertainment industry while Japanese entertainment,movies and animations are stagnant and even declining in many cases. I actually got to experience this first hand, my kid has been super into Chinese animation lately. Some studio called babybus is pumping out baby cartoons and they ended up on Netflix. She’s into this sheriff Labrador show right now.
>>2671142That's hella racist
>>2670867For libs elections are mandatory, even if performative ritual. On top of elections, a pro-western-government is the mandated result of any system for it to be called a democracy.
Yeah, I think it's fair to consider it an incorrigible nation at this point.
>>2669518I don't know if they still hold this line but I remember the "communist" party in Japan talking about needing a "democratic revolution" (haha) to get rid of the Emperor or some shit.
You can present the middle class with the most nauseatingly developed capitalist society, and it would still find ways to insist that it instead finds itself fettered by pre-capitalist relations which would need to be destroyed first.
>>2671367This was the line promoted by the Comintern as dumb as it was.
>>2670253The Holocaust was the industrialisation of the reservation system of the US.
>>2671378no it was based on the libyan genocide, which had happened only a few years before the holocaust, stop promoting lies because you want to equate nation you don't like with nation almost nobody likes
>>2671380Do you mean the Namibian genocide? Italy did the genocide in Libya, it was the first air campaign against a civilian population
>>2670902Maybe it's because of all the reactionary anime.
>>2671380The only difference is that the US was ultimately successful and the Nazis were not.
>>2671380Italy used gas, dropping it from planes pn civilians.
You're thinking about death camps in South Africa.
You know where the term "concentration" in concentration camp comes from? You concentrate a population you want to exterminate, natives were concentrated into open air prison camps and then sterilized, it was literally a concentration camp.
>>2671391Wrong. Concentration camps were first used in Germany against German socialists, not untermenschen.
>>2671391>>2671378Concentration camps and death camps aren't the same thing. A concentration camp is just a place where you round up and detain members of a target population. It's not specifically for the purposes of exterminating them, but could also be for forced labour, deportation, to isolate them from insurgent forces, etc. The point of the reservation system in Canada and the US wasn't to physically exterminate the natives. The policy of British and American colonizers in the 19th century was typically one of assimilation, though of course they killed large numbers of them in the process of conquering the continent. Although there were Indigenous people who were effectively exterminated by Anglo settlers, this happened mostly in earlier centuries rather than the time the reservation system was implemented. The function of the reservations was first, to get the natives off their land so it could be settled by whites, and second to forcibly assimilate them by coercing them into abandoning their ways of life, culture, religion, language, etc. and become productive citizens (as white supremacist/capitalist society of the time understood this concept). The slogan was "Kill the Indian to save the man," i.e. turn this savage into a proper civilized (almost white!) man. The reservation system was designed to be a kind of holding pen for Indigenous people who had not been sufficiently assimilated in the eyes of the government. They can be properly characterized as concentration camps, but their purpose was not to use Indigenous people as forced labour, or kill them all, which were the two main functions of the Nazi camps.
I'm less familiar with how things worked in the US, but in Canada it was possible for Indigenous people to emancipate themselves from "Indian status" if they met certain criteria, such as converting to Christianity, speaking English/French, graduating from a residential school, having an industrial or agricultural job, etc. When this happened they were given the right to freely leave the reservation, vote, run for public office, litigate legal cases, own property, etc. which were all things that "status Indians" were banned from doing. Indigenous women could also emancipate themselves by marrying non-Indigenous men. In Nazi Germany such a thing would be unthinkable, and the whole point of the Nuremberg laws were to take away civil rights that German Jews already had. By contrast legislation like the Indian Act was intended to grant Indigenous people civil rights as a reward for assimilating. All this is to say that the Nazi camp system was not equivalent to North American reservations in either methods or goals. I would say the extermination camp was a uniquely Nazi innovation, even if the concentration camp wasn't.
Where the Nazis and Americans have far more in common is in the concept of Lebensraum and Generalplan Ost, which was modelled on Manifest Destiny and the reservations. However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.
>>2670902>>2671388ur class interests dont change bc u watched some fucking anime lmao have u ever considered japan simply has a massive middle class which informs these obvious political trends
>>2671466>However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.Even in our own history we know of the Nazis incoherently designating many Turkic peoples as racially valuable enough for them to be pushed into some rump state rather than be exterminated with the Slavs. Even with the Slavs even some Poles arbitrarily were seen as fit for Germanization.
Nazi ideology portrayed itself as some coherent worldview with some esoteric truth behind their racial categorization but it was always nothing more than the typical incoherent hatred that any racial supremacist would hold, and as such Nazis found it acceptable to do these things when the war turned bad.
Now imagine trying to settle all the way to the A-A Line with Germans, there's no way that could be done without accepting a decent degree of Germanisation of the hundreds of millions of Slavs there. Even if the intention was to enslave them until they naturally died off, that was also the intention of the slave states in the USA in the early days.
>>2671472people on this site are really fucking anti-anime for some reason even though this site is a spinoff of a spinoff of a anime forum and our site's mascot is an anime catgirl.
anyway the only reason japan is so anti-socialism is because the US invested trillions of dollars into building Japan into an example of a nationalist capitalist utopia and those gibs were conditional on japan not allying with the USSR or China. japanese boomers and gen x were very anti-China and pro-USA because the US turned the entire country into a cargo cult for capitalism. same shit for south korea(and south vietnam at the time).
now that the cold war is over japan has mostly been trying to position itself as a geopolitical check to china in the region, but japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture. the main reason it hasn't manifested in politics is because japan has extremely low youth political turnout, but also japan's left-wing offerings are a joke that all amount to trying to be American Democrats With Japanese Characteristics instead of embracing Marxism. they're kind of a joke and young people in japan don't see any benefit from voting for anything to the left of LDP when none of the parties actually want to change the work culture or improve the cost of living. the only difference between LDP and CDP is gay marriage and repealing Article 9. Japanese people don't care about that shit.
>>2671391yes in fact i do know
>>2671385there was an undeniable connection to it, the namibian genocide was only tangentially similar to the holocaust in the sense it was perpetrated by the german army with extermination orders from the local military commissioner
>>2671466>However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.the thing is that they kind of did, not in the same way of course, but there was a program by the SS and even the wehrmacht to kidnap young children from the slavic nations who were aryan in blood, they even did allow for assimilation to an extent, but they did not do so in a remotely similar way to what the typical colonial efforts did
Red button monkey moment
>>2670146is that man mooning the yanks boat?
japan funi
>>2671077>They'd better not get away with it with just a fucking occupation. China should actually learn from history and realize the necessity of expurgating the entire root rather than playing the fools game of trying to pacify them.i have a horrible feeling the jap civs would go nutty mode with psychotic terror attacks on soft targets.
>>2671077can we stop with "this hundreds of millions must suffer" nonsense?
>>2671388Most anime is funded by government initiatives, specifically Cool Japan, so you'll see all your favourite animes doing government collabs. Sanae Takaichi was the last minister for it and was out meeting all sorts of big mangaka and baby metal lmao
>>2670878Democracy doesn't matter to us but it matters to libs, explaining how Japan doesn't follow their democratic ideals at all undermines liberal narratives about Japan.
>>2670997>Post-Meiji Restoration Japan always seen China as inferior and backwards while Japan was the true leaders of AsiaHonestly this is probably the reason
>>2671481>japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture. the main reason it hasn't manifested in politics is because japan has extremely low youth political turnoutDoesn't Sanae Takaichi have the highest support from the youth age group?
>>2671481>but japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture.Japanese youth love Tiktok but still have a negative perception of China. Also doesn't help the Left in China also happens to be anti-China except Reiwa Shinsengumi.
>>2671520Stop learning about other countries from Twitter shitposts.
>>2671472Japan's anti-China nature is not something that originated with capitalism as all the people here harping about the Meiji Restoration claim. Hideyoshi's ultimate goal was to subjugate China and stop it from being the cultural centerpiece of Asia, the Kokugaku movement was in the main a rejection of Chinese culture. This is something that goes beyond class, because its embedded within the Japanese identity itself. The Japanese national identity is first and foremost an expression of hatred of China.
>>2672966You can't ignore that China played a big role. China is seen as economically buying land and resources from Japan and the LDP is doing nothing about it.
>Takaichi capitalizes on this by pushing things like international tourist taxesIn which she uses anti-China sentiment to push for it. Also the LDP ignored it because the liberal faction ran policy for four years.
Looks like the status quo party demolished everyone despite being on the cusp of losing a year ago, wtf happened?
The population will decrease by a million people per year and you WILL like it
>>2685165The LDP is like the east Asia’s PRI
>>2685165Frankly, the Centrist party is a status-quo party too. If anything Takaichi has a more radical image than the Centrist Reform Alliance.
The passing of seats from CDP/Komeito to LDP is a nothingburger. The only real negative bit of this election are that JCP and Reiwa got trashed. But of course JCP's membership are all dying so that's expected. I thought Reiwa would fare better but I guess they couldn't survive without Yamamoto.
Thinking that Chinese diplomat being like we're gonna cut your head off bitch two months ago was a stupid thing to say.
>>2685175I believe the reason why she is so popular with the youths is that she doesn't seem to be as "Let's just take our youths money and gives it to the old" which of course is complete nonsense but none of the other parties are even really showing anything less than contempt for them
So they are going to change article 9, no? They got rid of Komeito and are not dependent on any other parties. Which means only the referendum can stop it, no?
>>2685336This election was only for the lower house. They'd need a 2/3 majority in the upper house too for that.
Who gives a shit about Japan. After 2011 they even stopped making decent anime.
>>2685346>They'd need a 2/3 majority in the upper house too for thatWouldn't they be able to bypass/overrule the upper house with a supermajority in the lower house? Or does the 2/3 majority in both chambers rule apply specifically to constitutional changes?
>>2685364Japanese anime died since the late 2000s. Now it's just slop.
People like to say every generation has slop, but there are no gems from the past 15 years.
>>2685455The 2/3 majority can override the upper house on things like budget and legislation, not constitutional amendments.
>>2685465That's reassuring. Let's hope things don't degrade even more than they already have, then.
I am going to Tokyo and will have a free day next week. What should I visit?
Somebody recommended Yasukuni Shrine.
>>2685478The Yasukuni Shrine is alright but the WW2 museum right next to it is sick, also hysterically revisionist.
Japan is a country of right-wing and conservative parties competing with one another, the main opposition party CDP had supported 87% of all LDP legislation for the past decade. Also relying on the Sokai Gakkai after you spent decades shitting on them as a conspiracy cult is the craziest part. I saw a prominent author mention how Gakkai never missed knocking on his door during elections to ask them to vote for their candidate, and it never came
The left in Japan has to give up the pacifist shit. I'm not even saying that will necessarily bring them victory but it would at least help. It's the same problem as Corbyn being anti-nuke - building socialism in your country doesn't matter if a hostile empire can just walk in and destroy it because you refused to defend yourselves properly because you'd rather be a dead pacifist than a living militarist. You're just wasting your time if you're building a defenceless socialist society.
>>2685550totally retarded, being pacifist is actually one of the few popular policies that are supported by population and why people vote for them in the first place.
>>2685567Ok, but like I said, being a pacifist is retarded. It's just suicidal virtue signalling. What good would a socialist Japan be if it can't defend itself?
>>2685570Defend against whom? All militarist policies in Japan are directed at Chinese containment.
>>2685575Er, China? The 1.4 billion strong giant next door that hates them? If anything, Japan desperately needs nuclear weapons.
>>2685578China has hardly displayed any actual aggression against Japan.
>>2685580…but it should have
>>2685578>The 1.4 billion strong giant next door that hates themThey hate them because Japan is a fascist country and American vassal. Duh.
>>2685575You can talk about Denazification and the Referendums all you want but the vast majority of Japanese think Russia is expanding its territory for the sake of expansionism. When JCP also talks about condemning Russian Aggression but then says that Japan should solely rely on International Law I get confused as to why anyone votes for them at all.
>>2685586Japan was close to having a break-through negotiating with Russia but the deal got sabotaged by the US.
>>2685586There is some degree of incoherence involved in calling for a withdrawal from international alliances and reducing military spending simultaneously. I've known some people here who have said they'd be open to withdrawing from NATO if this was paired with a robust expansion of our own military capabilities. I think that both armed neutrality and entanglement with alliances make a certain intuitive sense to most people, but trying to have a foot in both camps does not.
>>2685584It's never going to stop being a US vassal so long as it's dependant on the US military.
>>2685589That was during the friggin Brezhnev era, man.
>>2685592Lolno. During the brief period where Cucktin went around G9ing across the planet they were negotiating.
Holy shit, Okinawa lost all its seats to the right-wingers
>>2685580>>2685584>it won't happen bro trust me broNo. If anyone should take anything from how Europe is feeling right now, you can't trust anyone. A state, especially a socialist state in a capitalist world, needs to be able to defend itself or it is inviting domination by outside powers. I know the China simps in here will insist China is totally trustworthy and they should let their guard down but come on. You know if they did have designs on Japan they'd want you to think that. You shouldn't, and don't need, to take that risk. Nuke up, build socialism at home, co-operate with other socialist states.
>>2685609Japan is not a socialist state. A Japanese military will not result in it ceasing to be a vassal state, it will result in Japan engaging in more imperialist ventures. Don't believe me? Just ask Germany.
>>2685613That doesn't change the fact a socialist Japan would need a military.
>>2685615You can't just adopt the old military for your new state. A socialist state must build up a wholly new military, even if individuals from the old military may or may not join it.
Japan will become fascist once more. It has carefully maintained the institutions of fascism (mainly the Imperial family, and make no mistake in modern "democracies" this is the only purpose of keeping monarchies around even if they say it's only as symbolic ceremonial) in order to maintain a background level of nationalistic fervor based on stupid symbolic things such as flag, anthem, and religion, as is done in many other countries, and therefore facilitate a transition back into a first conservative and then fascistic regime. Japan will be a USAnian puppet and their forward operating base in their war with China over dominance of the South China Sea.
>>2685550Corbyn being anti nuke is both objectively rational and not that unpopular.
What you just remember is that Trident is not a military weapon, it is a nonsensical ego booster. France has an independent nuclear deterrent, which is a valid policy to hold, but Britain gets US made missiles (usually the ones that don't work!) and as such is so dependent on US goodwill that it may as well stop having them and rely on their strategic geography (as Iceland does) to outsource their defence to the US, or at least outsource their nuclear deterrence in this fashion.
Germany and Italy and Spain all do fine without nukes. France has nukes, but they are French nukes and France once withdrew from NATO. Britain on the other hand pays the price for maintaining a nuclear deterrent (far less impressive conventional forces on paper than Japan despite basically the same defense budget) without any of the strategic advantages it brings (they basically just pay for a mechanically unreliable bonus for 200 American nukes, they would never be used without US approval and certainly wouldn't be used to deter US aggression. A socialist Britain would lose Trident faster than it lost capitalism!)
>>2685683Japan has literally always been fascist, from the very first landing of Yamato people, it’s a settler colony just like Israel and America
>>2685695If you don't have nukes you are inherently vulnerable to external aggression. Nuclear states are (ultimately) immune to external attack.
>>2685736India Pakistan wars say hi
japanese turn out is so low. barely above 50%
pretty interesting how so many firstie democracies have turnouts that are just as low or lower than african democracies that are always mocked in the international press
>>2685755It’s almost like democracy is a fake fucking concept we should get rid of
>>2685750India and Pakistan have only skirmished, they have not actually tried to destroy each other. That's why I said *ultimately*. You can attack a nuclear power, sure, but only until they decide to whip out their nukes, which they will if you threaten their existence.
>>2685756We get it dude, you want to be a dictator, you wanna be the new Stalin, but how about, uh, no and fuck off?
>>2685773While that anon may be a little overstating the case, there is no denying that post-WWII liberal democracies are hardly democratic whatsoever, and whatever democracy they had has been totally hollowed out over the last 40 years.
>>2685820Liberal democracy is actually existing democracy and it fucking sucks, so fuck democracy period
>>2685820>it wasnt REAL democracy, democracy is when good vibes only!!kys radlib
>>2685827rare leftypol trvke
>>2685828We have election threads all the time stupid newfag
>>2685327That had no effect on the election at all
>>2685609Unironically the DPRK would nuke Japan before they even got one nuke and ROK will mutually agree
Wasn't the new PM campaigning on repealing Article 9? Isn't that a good thing for Multipolarism? Like yes they're fascists but a Japan with its own military and independence from the US is a better situation globally than a Japan that is just effectively a US military base. China can at least negotiate with an independent Japan while a US-vassalized Japan is totally off limits.
>>2685993I personally couldn't care less about having article 9 or not but
1) Article 9 isn't going to be repealed until at least the next Upper House election
2) Takaichi's dream of an offensive Japanese military is one wholly integrated in the US defensive plans. Basically, think less of a Japanese military without US bases and more of a Japanese military doing the toilet cleaning at US bases in the Philippines.
>>2669530>americans leftSorry, what?!
>>2686125>LDP takes allShocker
>>2685993Mate they are literally glazing Trump. There is no independent Japan. The only good Japan is a nuked one.
>>2685609You support a fascist Japan over a socialist China. Retard.
>>2685736If you have your own nukes this is true. If, hypothetically, France were to invade Britain, America could well veto British use of Trident but it could not veto France. That is to say, America could leave Britain to her fate.
An independent deterrent must be independent in order to deter. (Though frankly the whole theory of deterrence is looking increasingly ropey. "Actually it was the norm against territorial conquest that kept comparative peace" is looking more and more plausible, particularly when India and Pakistan go at it…)
>>2671481I had a 19yo Japanese girlfriend who told me Chinese were buying land to build military bases in Japan, South Koreans belive they are Jesus, and rape and murder are Kurdish culture.
Most Japanese youth are right-wing. The propaganda and censorship in Japan are very strong. Japanese SNS is cancer, full of right wing echo chambers
>The LDP actually won enough votes to win 330 seats; however, due to so few district candidates from the LDP losing, it did not have enough candidates to fill its seats in the proportional tier. The LDP therefore forfeited 14 seats to other parties, including 6 in the Southern Kantō block, 5 in the Tokyo block, 2 in the Hokuriku-Shin'etsu block, and 1 in the Chūgoku block. These 14 seats went to the CRA (6), DPFP (2), Ishin (2), Team Mirai (2), Sanseitō (1), and Reiwa Shinsegumi (1). Meanwhile, Team Mirai forfeited two seats in the Kinki block, as its district candidates did not cross the 10% eligibility threshold to be elected from the proportional tier; these two seats went to the CRA and Ishin.
wow
>>2686803what the actual fuck lmao
>>2686489I'm guessing they are just butt madd they are losing cultural relevance to china.
>>2686803Explain this to me like I don't understand Japanese parliamentary procedure.
>>2686821This is something that can happen in all (closed) party list systems and their derivatives. I mean there is nothing to explain here really. Roughly speaking the LDP didn't register enough candidates to correspond to their proportional election results and virtually all their candidates got elected where they met certain thresholds.
Like if there is an election for a parliament that has 100 seats and you are running a list with only 30 candidates even if you win 50% of the vote you can only fill 30 seats and not 50. That's what happened here.
>>2685834>it wasnt REAL democracy, democracy is when good vibes only!!How are you reading that into my post?
>>2685827I agree. But these systems more or less functioned at one point, and they don't anymore. Like all systems they live or die by the economic period they are in. When the economy was prosperous, they were stable, when the economy is not they become unstable and authoritarian.
But to play devil's advocate, did the USSR work went the going got tough economically in the late 1980s? Not exactly.
>>2686803How is this possible?
Do you just vote for a party and not a candidate, then the party fills the seat with internal candidates?
>>2687006 (me)
>>2686829(Sorry I have burger brain)
wth is team mirai? wiki pake doesn't say anything about its positions other than e-democracy whatever that is
>>2687031weird party heavily based on pro AI stuff
>>2686829why can't they just get more ppl to fill those seats? seems like a weird rule to have
>>2687031>what if democracy was computers? >what if AI could solve all our problems? >what if reality is a big computer simulation? >we should invest everything in the current tech bubble and then AI will solve literally all our problems!- that, is in essense the entire politics of team mirai. and yet they got more seats than the entire left.
>>2687077Because recruiting randos that haven't been vetted by your political establishment is worse than giving the opposition seats, especially when you already have a supermajority.
>>2687077>>2687011>>2687006Btw, this happened to Sinn Fein as well during the last Irish election. In short Japan has a mixed system but yes the during the proportional part you do indeed vote for a party/party list. Putting up candidates is a lengthy and bureaucratic process, within the party org and with the authorities, so you don't put up randos. Also a Japan specific reason is that Japan has these extremely high fees to compete in elections as mechanism of political surpression so that forces parties to be somewhat strategical.
Except for the JCP which tries to run candidates everywhere, pays up the fees and doesn't even accept public financial campaign subsidies from the government because they run one of the most successful newspapers in the country.
>>2687144Why hasn’t JCP been able to leverage their media success into electoral success?
>>2687147The JCP has some core support groups like the teachers unions that religiously subscribe to the newspaper but that's the problem. It's a boomer party. Ironically despite being pretty progressive on many issues, the JCP is considered to be conservative party because it is perceived to represent an 'old politics' also you have to understand that is basically constantly being harassed by Japanese glowies and surveillanced, to the point where whenever they cooperate with moderate parties they freak the fuck out when they are also suddenly finding cameras.
Japan has like most Western countries a very monopolized mediasphere and the 'Red Flag' is considered to be newspaper that says it how it is. For this reason it is very popular among Western embassy staff (and glowies) to keep up with Japanese domestic politics.
While it's true that the average Nipponese normie is cattle who keeps voooting for the LDP every time, that still doesn't excuse the leftoids there from the fact that they're still hippies stuck in the 1960s. Completely out-of-touch.
>>2687241To be fair Japan(in coordination with the CIA) exterminated their Communists and the average Japanese person thinks Communists want to eat their baby even if they agree with collectivization.
The Japanese "left" is just liberal controlled opposition that aren't a threat to US interests.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/1635682662% of Japanese voters think the JDP won too hardlmao
The Japans no matter how anti-china they are won't do shit militarily against China. Japan is already an American base, same as South Korea. It literally doesn't matter who's in power, Japans is a submissive state.
>>2693848they are just like me
>>2685586>Russia is an expansionist aggressive power BUT ALSO we should have no military and just rely on appealing to the UN Security Council in case they attack, please take us seriously and vote for us :)JCP deserves to have 0 seats honestly, only the NHK Party espouses a more stupid party line.
>>2670997First: ditch the racial slur and the “inferior ___ people” framing. It’s ugly, it’s lazy, and it doesn’t actually help you explain anything.
Now, the actual substance: you’re circling something real (status competition), but you’re trying to make it do 100% of the work when it’s more like 25–40% of the story.
Polls do show a lot of hostility, but that doesn’t prove “insecurity” is the main cause
If your claim is “a lot of Japanese people have a negative view of China,” polling backs that up hard.
•In the 2024 Japan–China Joint Public Opinion Survey (Genron NPO), 89.0% of Japanese respondents reported a poor/relatively poor impression of China, and 87.7% of Chinese respondents reported a poor/relatively poor impression of Japan. 
•Pew’s 2025 reporting puts Japan among the most negative publics toward China; only 13% in Japan reported a favorable view of China in that survey. 
But the same Genron NPO survey also shows this isn’t just vibes about economics or pop culture. In 2024, only 26.3% of Chinese respondents said Japan–China relations are important, while ~59.6% said they’re not important. That’s geopolitical alienation, not “they’re jealous of anime.” 
And it’s not just “people think things.” The survey also shows information environments matter: Chinese respondents who mainly used Chinese news media were far more negative toward Japan than people with direct conversation/visits. That screams “politics + media + nationalism” as much as “status anxiety.” 
Security and disputes are a huge driver (and you’re underrating them)
A lot of Japan’s modern China anxiety is tied to very concrete stuff:
•East China Sea tensions / Senkaku–Diaoyu disputes
•Taiwan contingency fears
•China’s expanding military activity near Japan
Japan’s official defense reporting has explicitly framed China as its biggest strategic challenge in recent years, and Japan has been accelerating defense policy shifts partly in response. 
You can layer “relative decline” on top of that, but it’s hard to argue economics is the primary cause when Japan is openly describing China in security terms.
Economic “flip” is real, but your timeline and the causal story are kind of myth-shaped
China overtaking Japan economically is not some brand-new shock.
•China passed Japan in nominal GDP around 2010, which ended Japan’s long run as the world’s #2 economy. 
•Japan’s more recent “ranking drop” has also been influenced by exchange rates and long-running domestic issues; for example, Japan fell behind Germany in nominal GDP for 2023 amid a weak yen and structural stagnation. 
So yes, Japan’s relative economic position has declined. But that’s not solely “China did this to Japan.” Japan’s post-bubble demographics/productivity problems are their own saga.
The “Japanese entertainment is stagnant” claim doesn’t survive contact with data
If you want to argue Japan is “losing soft power,” anime is a weird hill to die on, because anime is doing the opposite of dying.
The Association of Japanese Animations’ industry reporting (covering the 2023 market) shows:
•Total anime market (broad definition): ¥3.3465 trillion, +14.3% YoY
•“Overseas” category: ¥1.7222 trillion, +18.0% YoY
•It explicitly notes the international market overtook the domestic market again, with streaming + overseas driving most of the growth. 
What is declining? Old formats like “video” (physical media), because time moves forward and DVDs are not eternal. Movies also fluctuate year to year. But the overall anime economy and overseas pull are still growing. 
So if your thesis depends on “Japanese animation is stagnant,” you’ll need to rewrite that part.
China’s entertainment industry is growing, but “more output” ≠ “more soft power”
China has a massive domestic entertainment market. For example, China’s box office is huge but volatile:
•2024 box office: 42.5 billion yuan, down ~22.6% from 2023’s 54.9 billion yuan, per China Film Administration figures reported by Reuters. 
China is also expanding cultural reach through games and other formats. “Genshin Impact” is commonly cited in analysis as a globally successful Chinese-made game with real overseas impact. 
But soft power is about how you’re perceived, not just what you produce. Global opinion of China remains mixed-to-negative in many countries, and Japan is among the most negative. 
And in soft-power ranking exercises, Japan is still extremely high. In Brand Finance’s Global Soft Power Index 2025, the U.S. ranks #1, China #2, and Japan #4. That’s not “Japan’s soft power collapsed.” 
The historical framing: you’re right about a period, wrong about “always”
Your “Japan always saw China as inferior and backward” line is too absolute.
•Historically, Japan absorbed huge amounts of Chinese civilization (writing systems, Buddhist traditions, statecraft models, etc.). 
•Later, modern Japanese nationalism and imperial ideology did include strains of “Japan as leader of Asia” rhetoric, often tied to Pan-Asianism (which could be sincere, strategic, or imperial cover depending on the moment and actor). 
So: there’s a real story about modern-era hierarchy/imperial ideology, but “always” erases centuries of admiration, borrowing, and interdependence.
A cleaner version of your argument (that doesn’t rely on racial stereotypes)
If you want something that’s actually defensible:
•Status shift: China’s rise ended Japan’s long-standing “#2 economy” era (China overtook Japan in 2010 nominal GDP), contributing to status anxiety. 
•Security dilemma: Territorial disputes + military posture + Taiwan fears make China’s rise feel threatening to Japan beyond economics. 
•Memory + nationalism + media: Polling suggests mutual negativity is extreme, and information ecosystems correlate with how negative people get. 
•Soft power isn’t Japan’s consolation prize, it’s an active strength: anime in particular is posting record totals and rising overseas revenue. 
That gives you a multi-causal explanation that matches what we can actually measure, instead of turning two countries into a psychology meme with a racist garnish.
>>2687031Their leader is currently doing sit-downs with LDP members to discuss policies and they are trending for all the wrong reasons for considering taxing people based on their individual ability
>>2694870Thank you chatgpt-san.
>>2694870Did you just use Chatgpt to argue lmao
>First: ditch the racial slur and the “inferior ___ people” framing. It’s ugly, it’s lazy, and it doesn’t actually help you explain anythingIt is important to the modern day issue in Japan and ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. Also the reasons you listed are literally made in the post including memory, nationalism,etc. So don't get the post except they didn't like pointing out post-Meiji Restoration Sinophobia
>>2694870gpt kensei, I kowtow
>>2694870posting ai without openly stating that you did so should get you permabanned. Fuck off and mods do your fucking work
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