The Japanese lower house election is underway, and all early reports indicate an overwhelming majority for the new prime minister, Sanae Takaichi. I guess just making your platform hating China works, especially if every poll shows youth support for her is in the 90%
>>2669518okay? hasn't her party hold a majority almost uninterruptedly since americans left?
>>2669530Ldp lost its majority awhile ago and relies on a partner
>>2669530Japan is effectively a one party state.
>>2669552and? its still a democracy (pejorative)
As long as Komeito is in government Article 9 is here to stay.
Nothingburger.
>>2669591Would removing Article 9 be a good thing for the world by (maybe) encouraging multipolarity or it will just be bad for China?
>>2669591well komeito no longer has an active hand in the government and split off from it, and has merged with the CDP to form the Centrist Reform Alliance
>>2669608>is a vassal of the US directly facing its main enemy reaming itself good for multipolarity?what do you think, it will be a net bad for everyone
>same party in control for 1 billion years wins again
yup
>>2669608Japan would never use the army to attack china, they would just invade smaller SEA countries.
>one party state, the west
heckin democratic!
>one party state, the east
NOO THIS IS TOTALITARIANS
>>2669788Excuse me sir r/neoliberal is next door
If it's like the 2017 UK election it'd be the funniest shit but most likely it's just bleak, the ineffectual liberal opposition have teamed up with a literal cult (komeito, previously in bed with the LDP from the late 90s until recently, since 90s Japan got antsy about cults after the sarin attacks and the LDP needed an upper house majority)
>>2669591Komeito aren't in government anymore and broke with the LDP ages ago, have you been sleeping under a rock?
Japan is a Hitlerite society.
>>2669518Japanese leftist pacifism is a major reason for this outcome. Opposing American military bases is entirely understandable, but rejecting both American bases and Japan having its own standing army is not a viable position nowadays
>>2670215If the Japanese Left let go of its pacifism wouldn't the outcome still look like this due to anti-China feelings in Japan?
>>2670215The mainstream Japanese left is already basically reconciled to having the SDF since ~1994 when the socialists joined a coalition with the LDP that made their leader prime minister, conditional on them accepting that the SDF was constitutional
(Another of the funniest things that's happened: a coalition of basically all non-LDP parties collapsed because a schemer named Ozawa - who'd kneecapped the coalition's popular leader by having him announce a surprise tax hike - wanted to basically freeze out the JSP but keep their votes… So the JSP, already in existential danger under a new voting system, said fuck it and joined with the LDP to freeze him out instead. The same guy would subsequently be intimately involved in fucking up the 2007-11 DPJ government)
>>2670146>Hitlerism is Americanism applied to EuropeI don't think you get anywhere with these insane exaggerations.
>>2670250But its a trvke. Nuremberg laws were copied from Jim Crow and were a watered down version of it, no one-drop rule for example.
>>2670251The Holocaust, which is what the Nazis were most infamous for, had nothing to do with the United States. When you say "the Nazis copied America," people are going to think you mean they somehow got he idea for the death camps from the US, when what you really mean is the Nuremberg laws and Lebenstraum.
>>2670253Nuremberg laws and Lebensraum are directly related to the Holocaust though.
>>2670220What's with the sudden rise in popularity of anti-China militarism? AFAIK a few years ago most people didn't want war and were ambivalent about China.
Unironically China should just nuke them. Maybe that will teach them some humility otherwise who cares? They society is a dead end anyway.
>>2670244It's not really uniform across all leftists, the JCP are still staunchly opposed to the SDF and even more so with this current PM. The JCP advocates for the SDF's ultimate dissolution as it's unconstitutional under Article 9. The basic bitch centre left CDP has very lukewarm views towards them. SDP acknowledges them, but completely opposes most anything with them outside of humanitarian roles in Japan
>>2669571Western lib logic be like:
>Iran is a country with competitive elections in which various parties present conflicting viewpoints and incumbent leaders often lose to the opposition>Japan has had the same party in power since they started having elections <Clearly Japan is a free democracy and Iran is an evil dictatorial REGIME >>2670867>Japan is a free democracyit is, they literally have elections lmfao. whats with leftoids who do the lib "not REAL democracy" shit like democracy is any concern to communists
>>2670878because words have meanings you fucktard. accelerationists are so embarassing
>>2670892>words have meanings you fucktard<accelerationists<accelerationists<accelerationists? lmfao the attempts at insults from illiterate pseuds get funnier and funnier
democracy is apparently completely divorced from bourgeois society. news to me!
reminder the japan socialist party used to net 25% of the vote and was the main opposition party once, now its probably going to cease to exist at the rate its going. has to be a case study on why the youth there are so rabidly right-wing, remember the radical student activism of 1950s and onwards?
>>2670279Yeah but they aren't the entirety of it. You can say that a lot of what is presented as uniquely evil about the Nazis had precedents in other Western colonial powers and you'd be correct. However what does set them apart is the degree of industrialization and systematization of their extermination efforts. Even the Belgians who killed a comparable number of people in the Congo killed most of them through working them to death or in reprisals for resistance. They didn't sit down and calculate how many people they would need to gas per day to wipe out a particular population, how many tons of zyklon this would require, how many train cars would be needed, etc.
>>2670898you are an embarassingly obvious accelerationist. you people get mad anytime someone tries to argue over anything beyond your understanding and you spam threads calling everyone a lib because theyre not hecking radical according to little timmy
>>2670902>japan socialist partywhat they propose is just milquetoast reform not too different from what the "rabid right-wingers" are already doing lmao
>student activism<radicallol their demands all stemmed from bourgeois society where everyone meets each other as a commodity owner
>>2670906is "accelerationist" the new midwit buzzword from pbs who do not exclude people due to class and can just pander to democracy as an acceptance of maintaining society as a whole?
>>2670907your entire post is better than any example i could come up with
>smug pseudo intellectualism>calling everyone a fake leftist/socialist>equating fascist neo liberalism with social democracy>normalising fascism>demonising people who actually organise and do things irl>getting mad because someone used a word you dont like (democracy)>repeating buzzwords you heard from leftypol/twitter/reddit>all while acting retarded because you dont want to actually engage with peoples points >>2670919you sound like the typical loser who only sees protests as a way to build some sort of "activist resume" lol
>get confronted with basic ass communist critique<ohh fucking purity teststhis is sad af
>>fascist neo liberalismlol from the same mongoloid saying "words have meanings you fucktard"
>>demonising people who actually organise and do things irlim in a union and only interact with proletarians, idrc about cross class movements :)
>>getting mad because someone used a word you dont like (democracy)you are the embarrassing retard saying "its not real democracy" lol
>>repeating buzzwords you heard from leftypol/twitter/redditthe projection levels are off the charts, is this b8 or are you actually this retarded? again, this coming from someone calling communists "accelerationists"
if you want a regular bourgeois democracy then just say so
>>2670926this isnt marxist critique. maybe its terminally online contrarian leftoid critique. thats the type of shit you see on twitter
>>>fascist neo liberalism>lol from the same mongoloid saying "words have meanings you fucktard"milei, bolsonaro, trump, kast, orban
this is 21st century fascism, which has different characteristics from italian fascism because of le material conditions. youre equating this with moderate social democracy. i just wish to understand what you hope to achieve from this? its evidently false. you gain nothing from lying like this other than normalising *actual fascists* just to be a contrarian and own le socdems!
>>2670957>milei, bolsonaro, trump, kast, orban>this is 21st century fascismlol. and MAS is 21st century socialism.
>>2670967so you wouldnt consider trump to be a fascist, but a member of a socialist party is hitler incarnate?
>>2670280China's sharp rise economically and culturally are making the Japanese insecure. Both anecdotal and polls show that is where a lot of it comes from. China was always supposed to be to the Japanese where the dumb Chinaman makes inferior gadgets working 5 cents an hour while Japan has the prestigious products. Post-Meiji Restoration Japan always seen China as inferior and backwards while Japan eas the true leaders of Asia. The truth is that Japan only had the chance that it did to dominate the region because Qing China was destabilizing and ended up collapsing. The collapse ended with the Warlord period and a Civil War which the Japanese took advantage of. Afterwards, Mao and the Communists had to uplift China from a century of humiliation while the Japanese got to gloat and end up in the top 3 economies by the 1980s only beatened by the USA and USSR and in some metrics even surpassed the USSR economically.
But now it is flipping. Japan is sinking economically while China surpassed them already.China building up its entertainment industry while Japanese entertainment,movies and animations are stagnant and even declining in many cases.
Japanese entertainment is the strength of its soft power after losing its economic power from China.
>TL;DR Japan didn't care about war or was ambivalent towards China because they did not see China as a threat and felt superior to them i want a japanese gf so bad bros but japanese people hate talking about politics so they find me cringe
>>2670878>implying democracy is "elections">implying communist arent fighting for actual democracy rather than the spectacle of liberal oligarchyyou're a fucking moron
>>2670365At the path that Japan is going, they will charge into Taiwan and end up in a Third Sino-Japanese War, but this time China will actually occupy Japan this time
>>2671062>China will actually occupy Japan this timeThey'd better not get away with it with just a fucking occupation. China should actually learn from history and realize the necessity of expurgating the entire root rather than playing the fools game of trying to pacify them.
>>2670997This, when SK was doing really good they hated them. They still do but china is the new target for their problems.
>>2671041>actual democracyThere is
no pure abstracted "actual democracy", this is basic Marxism!!!!
Elections is 100% a form of democracy, its the form favored by the bourgeoisie, not as some elite secret oligarchy, but as a class.
>>2670878>whats with leftoids who do the lib "not REAL democracy" shit like democracy is any concern to communistsCome on man, when you say stuff like this you just make it really clear that you get your theory from memes and vibes. Meanwhile here's what Lenin has to say about communism and democracy:
<Thirdly, in speaking of the state “withering away", and the even more graphic and colorful “dying down of itself", Engels refers quite clearly and definitely to the period after “the state has taken possession of the means of production in the name of the whole of society", that is, after the socialist revolution. We all know that the political form of the “state” at that time is the most complete democracy. <No, forward development, i.e., development towards communism, proceeds through the dictatorship of the proletariat, and cannot do otherwise, for the resistance of the capitalist exploiters cannot be broken by anyone else or in any otherway. And the dictatorship of the proletariat, i.e., the organization of the vanguard of the oppressed as the ruling class for the purpose of suppressing the oppressors, cannot result merely in an expansion of democracy. Simultaneously with an immense expansion of democracy, which for the first time becomes democracy for the poor, democracy for the people, and not democracy for the money-bags…
<Only in communist society, when the resistance of the capitalists have disappeared, when there are no classes (i.e., when there is no distinction between the members of society as regards their relation to the social means of production), only then "the state… ceases to exist", and "it becomes possible to speak of freedom". Only then will a truly complete democracy become possible and be realized, a democracy without any exceptions whatever. Communists have always placed a strong emphasis on democracy, hence the official names of AES states such as Democratic People's Republic of Korea or the German Democratic Republic.
>>2670997> China building up its entertainment industry while Japanese entertainment,movies and animations are stagnant and even declining in many cases. I actually got to experience this first hand, my kid has been super into Chinese animation lately. Some studio called babybus is pumping out baby cartoons and they ended up on Netflix. She’s into this sheriff Labrador show right now.
>>2671142That's hella racist
>>2670867For libs elections are mandatory, even if performative ritual. On top of elections, a pro-western-government is the mandated result of any system for it to be called a democracy.
Yeah, I think it's fair to consider it an incorrigible nation at this point.
>>2669518I don't know if they still hold this line but I remember the "communist" party in Japan talking about needing a "democratic revolution" (haha) to get rid of the Emperor or some shit.
You can present the middle class with the most nauseatingly developed capitalist society, and it would still find ways to insist that it instead finds itself fettered by pre-capitalist relations which would need to be destroyed first.
>>2671367This was the line promoted by the Comintern as dumb as it was.
>>2670253The Holocaust was the industrialisation of the reservation system of the US.
>>2671378no it was based on the libyan genocide, which had happened only a few years before the holocaust, stop promoting lies because you want to equate nation you don't like with nation almost nobody likes
>>2671380Do you mean the Namibian genocide? Italy did the genocide in Libya, it was the first air campaign against a civilian population
>>2670902Maybe it's because of all the reactionary anime.
>>2671380The only difference is that the US was ultimately successful and the Nazis were not.
>>2671380Italy used gas, dropping it from planes pn civilians.
You're thinking about death camps in South Africa.
You know where the term "concentration" in concentration camp comes from? You concentrate a population you want to exterminate, natives were concentrated into open air prison camps and then sterilized, it was literally a concentration camp.
>>2671391Wrong. Concentration camps were first used in Germany against German socialists, not untermenschen.
>>2671391>>2671378Concentration camps and death camps aren't the same thing. A concentration camp is just a place where you round up and detain members of a target population. It's not specifically for the purposes of exterminating them, but could also be for forced labour, deportation, to isolate them from insurgent forces, etc. The point of the reservation system in Canada and the US wasn't to physically exterminate the natives. The policy of British and American colonizers in the 19th century was typically one of assimilation, though of course they killed large numbers of them in the process of conquering the continent. Although there were Indigenous people who were effectively exterminated by Anglo settlers, this happened mostly in earlier centuries rather than the time the reservation system was implemented. The function of the reservations was first, to get the natives off their land so it could be settled by whites, and second to forcibly assimilate them by coercing them into abandoning their ways of life, culture, religion, language, etc. and become productive citizens (as white supremacist/capitalist society of the time understood this concept). The slogan was "Kill the Indian to save the man," i.e. turn this savage into a proper civilized (almost white!) man. The reservation system was designed to be a kind of holding pen for Indigenous people who had not been sufficiently assimilated in the eyes of the government. They can be properly characterized as concentration camps, but their purpose was not to use Indigenous people as forced labour, or kill them all, which were the two main functions of the Nazi camps.
I'm less familiar with how things worked in the US, but in Canada it was possible for Indigenous people to emancipate themselves from "Indian status" if they met certain criteria, such as converting to Christianity, speaking English/French, graduating from a residential school, having an industrial or agricultural job, etc. When this happened they were given the right to freely leave the reservation, vote, run for public office, litigate legal cases, own property, etc. which were all things that "status Indians" were banned from doing. Indigenous women could also emancipate themselves by marrying non-Indigenous men. In Nazi Germany such a thing would be unthinkable, and the whole point of the Nuremberg laws were to take away civil rights that German Jews already had. By contrast legislation like the Indian Act was intended to grant Indigenous people civil rights as a reward for assimilating. All this is to say that the Nazi camp system was not equivalent to North American reservations in either methods or goals. I would say the extermination camp was a uniquely Nazi innovation, even if the concentration camp wasn't.
Where the Nazis and Americans have far more in common is in the concept of Lebensraum and Generalplan Ost, which was modelled on Manifest Destiny and the reservations. However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.
>>2670902>>2671388ur class interests dont change bc u watched some fucking anime lmao have u ever considered japan simply has a massive middle class which informs these obvious political trends
>>2671466>However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.Even in our own history we know of the Nazis incoherently designating many Turkic peoples as racially valuable enough for them to be pushed into some rump state rather than be exterminated with the Slavs. Even with the Slavs even some Poles arbitrarily were seen as fit for Germanization.
Nazi ideology portrayed itself as some coherent worldview with some esoteric truth behind their racial categorization but it was always nothing more than the typical incoherent hatred that any racial supremacist would hold, and as such Nazis found it acceptable to do these things when the war turned bad.
Now imagine trying to settle all the way to the A-A Line with Germans, there's no way that could be done without accepting a decent degree of Germanisation of the hundreds of millions of Slavs there. Even if the intention was to enslave them until they naturally died off, that was also the intention of the slave states in the USA in the early days.
>>2671472people on this site are really fucking anti-anime for some reason even though this site is a spinoff of a spinoff of a anime forum and our site's mascot is an anime catgirl.
anyway the only reason japan is so anti-socialism is because the US invested trillions of dollars into building Japan into an example of a nationalist capitalist utopia and those gibs were conditional on japan not allying with the USSR or China. japanese boomers and gen x were very anti-China and pro-USA because the US turned the entire country into a cargo cult for capitalism. same shit for south korea(and south vietnam at the time).
now that the cold war is over japan has mostly been trying to position itself as a geopolitical check to china in the region, but japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture. the main reason it hasn't manifested in politics is because japan has extremely low youth political turnout, but also japan's left-wing offerings are a joke that all amount to trying to be American Democrats With Japanese Characteristics instead of embracing Marxism. they're kind of a joke and young people in japan don't see any benefit from voting for anything to the left of LDP when none of the parties actually want to change the work culture or improve the cost of living. the only difference between LDP and CDP is gay marriage and repealing Article 9. Japanese people don't care about that shit.
>>2671391yes in fact i do know
>>2671385there was an undeniable connection to it, the namibian genocide was only tangentially similar to the holocaust in the sense it was perpetrated by the german army with extermination orders from the local military commissioner
>>2671466>However I doubt the Nazis would have considered it possible to reform Slavs into productive citizens of the Reich the way the British and Americans tried to do to their natives.the thing is that they kind of did, not in the same way of course, but there was a program by the SS and even the wehrmacht to kidnap young children from the slavic nations who were aryan in blood, they even did allow for assimilation to an extent, but they did not do so in a remotely similar way to what the typical colonial efforts did
Red button monkey moment
>>2670146is that man mooning the yanks boat?
japan funi
>>2671077>They'd better not get away with it with just a fucking occupation. China should actually learn from history and realize the necessity of expurgating the entire root rather than playing the fools game of trying to pacify them.i have a horrible feeling the jap civs would go nutty mode with psychotic terror attacks on soft targets.
>>2671077can we stop with "this hundreds of millions must suffer" nonsense?
>>2671388Most anime is funded by government initiatives, specifically Cool Japan, so you'll see all your favourite animes doing government collabs. Sanae Takaichi was the last minister for it and was out meeting all sorts of big mangaka and baby metal lmao
>>2670878Democracy doesn't matter to us but it matters to libs, explaining how Japan doesn't follow their democratic ideals at all undermines liberal narratives about Japan.
>>2670997>Post-Meiji Restoration Japan always seen China as inferior and backwards while Japan was the true leaders of AsiaHonestly this is probably the reason
>>2671481>japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture. the main reason it hasn't manifested in politics is because japan has extremely low youth political turnoutDoesn't Sanae Takaichi have the highest support from the youth age group?
>>2671481>but japanese youth aren't buying it, in fact they love chinese media and culture.Japanese youth love Tiktok but still have a negative perception of China. Also doesn't help the Left in China also happens to be anti-China except Reiwa Shinsengumi.
>>2671520Stop learning about other countries from Twitter shitposts.
>>2671472Japan's anti-China nature is not something that originated with capitalism as all the people here harping about the Meiji Restoration claim. Hideyoshi's ultimate goal was to subjugate China and stop it from being the cultural centerpiece of Asia, the Kokugaku movement was in the main a rejection of Chinese culture. This is something that goes beyond class, because its embedded within the Japanese identity itself. The Japanese national identity is first and foremost an expression of hatred of China.
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