The USSR failed as a political experiment exactly because of its internationalist nature and because it suppressed the market mechanisms necessary for the entrepreneurship that generates economic development and social well-being. The USSR fractured exactly because it existed as a coalition of distinct national identities instead of a fully centralized and stable nationalistic project. As a result it splintered into a multitude of weak and irrelevant countries primed for exploitation by the capitalist hegemon. This is why we now see two former communist nations fighting in Ukraine; because the foolishness of Lenin decades prior created an unnecessary national identity which the American intelligence apparatus preyed upon and directed against Russia.
Instead of wasting resources promoting independent revolutions throughout the world, the USSR should have committed to the much wiser project of russification and centralization. It should have expanded it's sphere of influence through direct military conquest and annexation. If they had unified Eurasia under a singular national project they would have become unstoppable. They should also have allowed for the existence of markets and free enterprise, but retained control over banking and finance in order to fully and completely subject these capitalist forces to the totalizing logic of the state's developmental project. This is why China succeeded where the USSR failed. This is also why China will become the undisputed hegemon of the next world order; it is inevitable.
nationalist socialism?
China is explicity anti-nationalist thoughbeit.
Everything right wingers complain about in the West (Affirmative Action, fiscal transfers to poorer regions, DEI practices, etc.) also exists to a far larger degree in China in relation to its ethnic minority groups. China is not behaving as a (Han) nationalist state would.
>>2671769>>2671760China won capitalism
>and because it suppressed the market mechanisms necessary for the entrepreneurship that generates economic development and social well-being
This is literally just neoliberalism. Chinas biggest achievement's were because of planning and state subsidies. If they keep relying on "markets" they will become another Japan.
>market>ultimate anythingChina will have to deal with the same problems the west is dealing with right now at some point if they keep their market economy as it is. Their current system has been good at enabling them to navigate the current historical situation of the last decades without getting destroyed, but its not "ultimate" at all.
>>2671774>China is explicity anti-nationalist thoughbeit.No they are not lol.
>Everything right wingers complain about in the West (Affirmative Action, fiscal transfers to poorer regions, DEI practices, etc.) also exists to a far larger degree in China in relation to its ethnic minority groupsThis just means they are not conservatards, but the entire project of the PRC has had a nationalist element baked in from the start.
>>2671766If China was national socialist they would have already self-destroyed via warmongering.
>>2671774The USSR had massive industrial capacities, but it was almost exclusively weighted towards military production in preparation for a third world war that never came. What they didn't have was a market economy that could improve the well-being of the populace. And they also dissolved on their own because the union contained several states with distinct national identities (China, on the other hand; subsumed and destroyed meaningless and unnecessary national identities such as xinjiang, tibet, hong kong, macaw, etc).
China could could have also developed great industrial capacities without significantly challenging the world order (as a matter of fact, this was what the western powers were counting on when they exported production to east asia). If China sticked to only producing low-value-added commodities such as fridges and cheap consumer electronics, then the US wouldn't have turned against it. What makes China a challenging world power is exactly the fact that the state directed market forces towards developing high-end technology that challenges capitalist powers both economically and militarily.
Nationist capitalism is a winner
>>2671785LOL. Love this meme, I'm 100% ̶s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ seizing it.
>>2671792>China will have to deal with the same problems the west is dealing with right now at some point if they keep their market economy as it is. Their current system has been good at enabling them to navigate the current historical situation of the last decades without getting destroyed, but its not "ultimate" at all.How exactly? The whole capitalist class in China was born inside a state-controlled cage. They don't control the banks and they don't control finance. There's no elections at a national level. There's no lobbying. There's no private think-tanks drafting policy. Political bribery is severely persecuted and punished by the party. Literally every single mechanism that capitalists use in order to capture the state in nations the like US isn't available in China.
>>2671813>How exactly?falling rate of profit
>>2671822there's no profit in China, since there is no capital, since there isn't a buorgioisie
>>2671822Care to elaborate?
>>2671829>>2671813Which labor is producing labubus for western manchilds like (You) and whose surplus are those multinationals expropriating?
>>2671894The first post you quoted is not me (OP), he's just a sarcastic jackass.
If you wanna make a purist argument that only a mega ultra anarco-communist society with absolutely 0% alienated labor is actually socialist, then sure go ahead and be a retard. By that same vein you must also conclude that Cuba isn't truly socialist since they got street vendors selling hotdogs which are technically a petty bourgeois class. Please, do go ahead and keep sabotaging socialist movements from within (assuming you're not just a glown*gger). We nationalists and pragmatists will continue to dominate the future as you do that.
>the USSR was internationalist
Lol
Lmao even
>>2671829Kill yourself you fucking retarded shitter
>>2671954>Cuba isn't truly socialist since they got street vendors selling hotdogs which are technically a petty bourgeois class. This is correct
>We nationalists and pragmatists will continue to dominate the future as you do that.You are just retarded anon, anyone can hop on on whoever dick wants and claim they are winning, but in reality you are nothing but a whore.
>>2671971> Don't support any actually existing socialist movement in the world. There's none, they're all fake. Only the imaginary idealized socialism that matches my very specific subjective definition in my mind is real socialism.You might not be a literal glown*gger, but your mental retardation makes you functionally indistinguishable from one.
>>2671977>An actually existing socialist movementThat's why you also support the United Snakes of Amerikkka, right?
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2667959.html >>2671977>You might not be a literal glowI'm pretty sure he his actually
>>2671985You are just a stupid liberal, anon.
>>2671981>No replyAs expected, the liberal shitter literally cannot grasp the simplest notion that the ruling class of fascists states like the US and China are willing to make the smallest concessions to satisfy worker demands as long as that allows their bourgeois class privilege to stay in place.
>>2671981>Department of Labor launders money through corporations with the excuse of improving labor conditions. So technically the US is almost a socialist a China, therefore China isn't socialist.Is that supposed to be the though logic here?
>>2671995*as socialist as
>>2671766Social Democracy but for brown people
Im always impressed how consistently in every single thread that leftcom flag fuck post the most glowie position imaginable. He has to be on a payroll, I refuse to believe someone this stupid exist
>>2671995>>2671996Yes, the bourgeois have practices like that while maskerading them as socialist, kinda like how China engages in predatory market practices to gain market share in developing nations
>>2672002>Muh liberal drivelDon't give a shit, sorry
>>2672003You are just a liberal shitter, you retarded fucking imbecile, that's why the most basic analysis of class relations within "AES" shithole triggers you so much.
>>2671998>Thinks everyone outside of their country is "brown">Doesn't know that social democracy also exists in the countries they classify as "brown"Why are americans/europeans so stupid?
>>2672010> racism>>2671998> "shithole"Those guys are racist right wingers larping as socialists. Possibly glowies.
>>2672018What's racist about calling capitalist nations shitholes?
All capitalist nations are shitholes as class conflict and bourgeois interests turn them into shitholes for the working class.
>>2672003You have brain worms
>>2671760Even the liberal Mao would have executed you
>muh racism
SJW multipolaroids lmao
>>2672645Marx & Engels talked about uplifting the periphery through the spread of civilization, the time has come for the Third World to spread civilization in the First World.
>>2672642I care not about celebrating capitalist victories, as I am not a classcuck
I'm kinda fine with the war on terror and the scramble for africa so i kinda don't care if china wins tbqh it's all liberalism at the end of the day
>>2672710BordiGOD literally did tho?
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