Materialist analysis of celebrities engaging in activism?
Recently, we’ve seen notable celebrities like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo speak out against Trump and ICE. Their social media profiles are full of anti-ICE sentiment. Billie has also spoken out against billionaires despite being rich herself. So what’s going on here? Is there any chance that celebrities like Billie and Olivia can hold radical leftist political views? A lot of celebrities and musicians were involved in the 60s New Left, by comparison. Are we seeing a rebirth of this?
When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite.
>Russell Brand
Make a leftychud rich and he too will compalin about inequalityu.
Billie Eilish killed Rosa Luxemburg.
Most radlib activism is at it's core just low risk personal brand building, for lost causes. Celebrities fit right in.
Well the analysis would be, they dont make money by exploiting others, so they have no direct incentive to brutalise proles, unlike bourgeoise proper.
Billie Eilish is “principled” in that she’s a principled Democrat. She wants to tax the rich — so what? Liz Warren also wants to tax the rich. She donated a huge sum of money to climate NGOs — again, so what? Why isn’t she on the ground in Minneapolis participating in the revolt? Remember, Joan Baez got arrested for protesting during the Civil Rights Movement. Tom Morello participated in Occupy. Where is she except sitting in her Hollywood mansion while our comrades are being brutalized?
She will be shilling for Democrats in a few months when the midterm elections start heating up, doing exactly what she did in 2020 when she performed at the DNC during the George Floyd uprising, despite the Dems routinely voting to fund ICE.
>>2672507Pop stars make most of their money from IP law, merchandise sales, and brand endorsement deals. Billie has worked with Gucci and Nike before.
Pop stars are part of the PMC and hold to the same politics as other PMC.
This is described as Bourgeois Docialism in the Communist Manifesto.
>>2672506What is unc wearing like whats with the glasses 💀💀💀
>>2672506i love giancarlo but he phrased that horribly lol. still based af
>>2672560Give us the TL;DR on bourgeois socialism.
>>2672514Wonder if the DSA or PSL can scoop up any of the celebrities and get their money and turn it into actually institutions of power. I mean if a drunk sci-fi author can like half of Hollywood into dedicated followers of zenu, I’m sure some party can get some high rolling Patreons to bank roll some co-ops, campaign offices, idk compounds?
>>2672701If Billie was a genuine leftist, she would be promoting the leftist groups doing work on the ground and would be sharing tips on how to avoid tear gas and do de-arrests. All she’s posted in the past 2 hours on her IG stories are how much she hates Trump and ICE. Zero word about comrades who are resisting.
Moarlism isn't revolutionary, libtars.
Billie Eilish wasn’t even the first one to speak out against ICE. Snow Tha Product (Mexican rapper) was and she wasn’t given any praise for it.
>>2672617Wdym he looks great bro
>>2672514Tom Morello and Springsteen are also in Minneapolis right now. What's stopping Billie from heading there?
>>2672507In the case of pop stars, the labels they're signed to are the ones doing all the exploiting. Artists are always figureheads for the labels.
>>2672844does she have big tits?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/jiang-qing/>Jiang Qing (March 19, 1914 - May 14, 1991) was a Chinese actress (under the stage name Lan Ping) and a major political figure during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. She was the fourth wife of Mao Zedong, the Chairman of the Communist Party of China, whom she married in November 1938 and served as the inaugural "first lady" of the People's Republic of China.>Jiang Qing was best known for playing a major role in the Cultural Revolution (1966-76) and for forming the radical political alliance known as the "Gang of Four".>Jiang Qing served as Mao's personal secretary in the 1940s and was head of the Film Section of the Communist Party's Propaganda Department in the 1950s. In 1966 she was appointed deputy director of the Central Cultural Revolution Group, and became closely associated with Mao's cult of personality, serving as an important emissary for Mao in the early stages of the Cultural Revolution. At the height of the Cultural Revolution, Jiang Qing held significant influence in the affairs of state, particularly in the realm of culture and the arts. In 1969, Jiang gained a seat on the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party.>Before Mao's death, the Gang of Four maintained control of many of China's political institutions, including the media and propaganda. However, Jiang Qing, deriving most of her political legitimacy from Mao, often found herself at odds with other top leaders. Mao's death in 1976 dealt a significant blow to Jiang Qing's political fortunes. She was arrested in October 1976 by Hua Guofeng and his allies, and was subsequently condemned by party authorities. Since then, Jiang Qing has been officially branded as having been part of the "Lin Biao and Jiang Qing Counter-Revolutionary Clique" (林彪江青反革命集团).>Though initially sentenced to death, her sentence was commuted to life imprisonment in 1983. After being released for medical treatment. Jiang Qing committed suicide in May 1991. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four Petboojes know they're not going to stay petbooj forever so they join proles ahead of schedule.
It's futureproofing.
>>2673152I assumed the petite-bourgeoisie was reactionary though?
>>2673165They have the tendency to, but reactionism is maladaptive sometimes. The smart ones know being reactionary about it is just stalling, and not enough stalling to be worth it.
>>2672501That's it, I'm putting this saying on a T-shirt.
I will believe Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are radical when they skip the Grammys on Sunday to join the anti-ICE protests.
>>2672617He's gay bro lay off
>>2673145Andre has a red flag
Jiang Qing's is blue
They all have hills to fly them on
except for Lin Tai Yu
>Youtube “essay” slop written by llms
Sad!
>>2673496Yes. Ruling class in-fighting. 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte.
>>2672491>why do celebrities do things that dont contradict their class interests at allICE sucks but being against ICE isnt a heccin communism and activism definitionally stands outside communist class struggle lol. this shithole is nothing but toddlers needing the most basic shit spelled out to them
>>2672491>Billie has also spoken out against billionaires despite being rich herselfThe petit-bourgeois being against the haute bourgeois and trying to rally the proletariat to join their "cause" to use as meat shields is a tale as old as capitalism.
>le "radical leftist political views">the 60s New Left>celebrities and musiciansHaha.
>>2672507>they dont make money by exploiting othersMost retarded and vague definition of
petit-bourgeois (all one and the same to the proletariat, anyway) I've ever fucking seen.
Let's ignore the massive assets and capital they own, please!
>>2674874>when…since class society, dumb bitch, get with the program
>>2672491Billie donates millions to known NGOs, which is very different than donating to activists on the ground.
>>2674888Yet you keep coming back
attention whores like all americans
You have to be an American moron to entertain the idea that Billie Eilish will be pushed 'farther left'. Class struggle is not about morality, or good v/s evil, class struggle is about each class's contradictory interests.
>>2675151She called out billionaires and told them to give their money to charity, then donated $11 million of her own to various NGOs. Someone needs to tell this cunt that charity and class-collaboration aren't socialism or leftism. Billie's views on wealth inequality are no different than those of the Vatican.
>>2675158amerikans are exceptionally imperialist, yes, that is correct.
What political positions does Billie hold, that AOC does not?
Billie will only go more right due to capital accumulation
>>2675241She was campaigning pretty fiercely for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024. Her family has DNC connections (her uncle is former member of Congress Brian Baird).
i cant stop thinking about billie's fat irish tits in my face
>”no one is illegal on stolen land”
Kek, literally Tumblr circa 2015.
>>2676877the concept of "stolen land" is like the epitome of radlibbery lol can only analyze property through a moral lens
>>2676877>>2676881I think people with this position are at least at the meniscus of being correct:
- They understand that the forcible seizure of that land was both legal and against conventional morals
- meaning the law is not always aligned with morals and should not be considered the tome from which morality is drawn from
- meaning the law and morality are distinct concepts
- meaning there is nothing immoral about criticizing the government
- meaning a government that does not change in response to valid criticism might be misaligned with the interests of the people criticizing it, but rather the class running it.
(Assuming they don't just blame joos or gnomes or the Irish at this step)- meaning the people may have a vested interest in revolting against the bourgeois government and establishing a government of the proletariat.
>>2675247Does she regret her association with either of them?
completely pointless virtue signaling. Middle america doesnt care about a bunch of rapists and coke heads that didnt graduate high school lecturing them about politics and morality. In fact it had the opposite effect they want
>>2677167To be fair, she has brand deals and contracts that she can’t simply quit.
>>2676071Can we stream this song a lot so it charts on Billboard?
My guess is that a lot of them are in pretty bad and restrictive contracts that fuck them over, they live in a gilded cage. Like apparently while the opposite end of the spectrum but Sydney Sweeny is apparently quite deep in debt apparently?
>Recently, we’ve seen notable celebrities like Billie Eilish
Her brother is literally a personal friend of Hasan.
zionists smeared MJ right before he was gonna speak out about Palestine
Looks like the Grammys had its “Syriza moment” this year.
>>2678041Isn’t Finneas also friends with Zohran?
>>2678103He's alluded to that on IG, yes.
>>2672491homies here want to ape trump populism so bad. they want to call every wealthy lefty a hypocrite. mother fucker there would be no marxism without engels literally spitting coins into marx's coinpurse like he was feeding a baby bird.
>materialistit's a sign that left consciousness is approaching the mainstream.
>>2677167>materialistconsumer boycotts rarely eventuate. in this act she gets to have her cake and eat it. still shockingly based way to use her platform.
>>2672506pretty based
>>2672491Their business is literally being talked about. A big part of a celebrity's job, or the wagies who run their public image, is PR.
That's the beginning and the end of it. IDK what you expect? Some sort of idealist explanation like the "Fourth State"?
No, it is bullshit and the fact that celebrities have ended up in that place while "journalism" barely exists outside TV talking heads and endless social media psyops is no good indication either. It just means that the money commanding that PR is even less transparent, because you cannot so easily look up who owns the celebrity.
>>2678428>consumer boycotts rarely eventuate. in this act she gets to have her cake and eat it. still shockingly based way to use her platform.Garden-variety Democrats were also showing support for the strike. Means nothing.
>>2678428omg why are amerilards so fucking retarded and why do they have to compare everything to their shitty fucking country holy shit
>trump populism>they want to call every wealthy lefty a hypocritethis might shock you bc you clearly are an illiterate moron but communism rejects class collaborationism
>it's a sign that left consciousness is approaching the mainstreamlmfaooooooo consciousness in communism isnt about "beliefs" you mongoloid
<comparing some braindead celebrity doing the most milquetoast mainstream talking points to engelskill yourself LMFAO
>>2672491>>2678443Also not that activism is even desirable. This piece could use some work but I think it's a good model for understanding why "activism" is awful for the communist movement.
> Once within the gang (or any type of business) the individual is tied to it by all the psychological dependencies of capitalist society. If he shows any capacities they are exploited immediately without the individual having had a chance to master the "theory" that he has accepted. In exchange, he is given a position in the ruling clique, he is made a petty leader. If he fails to show capacities, an exchange takes place all the same; between his admission to the gang and his duty to diffuse its position. Even in those groups that want to escape the social givens, the gang mechanism nevertheless tends to prevail because of the different degrees of theoretical development among the members who make up the grouping. The inability to confront theoretical questions independently leads the individual to take refuge behind the authority of another member, who becomes, objectively, a leader, or behind the group entity, which becomes a gang. In his relations with people outside the group the individual uses his membership to exclude others and to differentiate himself from them, if only – in the final analysis – so as to guard himself against recognition of his own theoretical weaknesses. To belong in order to exclude, that is the internal dynamic of the gang; which is founded on an opposition, admitted or not, between the exterior and the interior of the group. Even an informal group deteriorates into a political racket, the classic case of theory becoming ideology.https://www.marxists.org/archive/camatte/capcom/on-org.htm >>2678444>>2678443>>2678441mindbroken and obsessed by and with americans
>>2678441not american, and importantly not a virgin. every time these celebs make a statement like this all the girls I know ask me about it and I tell them about the theories of sakai and fanon because post-colonial maoist third worldism is objectively the best strain of marxism.
>>2678455>leftcom running to the defence of american imperialismOfc
yikes, I almost reply to chagos
>>2678466I love you
I want you to hold me down
>>2672514I’d add that blaming the problems of capitalism on billionaires not giving their money away frames the situation as a moral issue rather than a systemic one.
>>26734961. The music industry went into crisis around the early 2000s, with record sales sharply declining.
2. A few employees at Apple invented iTunes specifically to take advantage of this crisis, thinking that Big Tech control of the music industry could both stabilize the crisis and give them control of music. This also laid the groundwork for what would become music streaming.
3. Billie Eilish was “discovered” at age 13 in late 2015 by her brother’s manager, who had ties to Interscope Records. Before Billie was signed to the label, she was signed up to an artist development company called Platoon which — wait for it — was created and run by one of the co-creators of iTunes and this affiliated with Apple.
4. Before Billie’s album was released in 2019, Apple (and Spotify) gave her an unbelievable amount of promotion to ensure she would be the biggest pop star on earth. This was entirely sone to prove that an “unconventional” artist such as her could have a sustainable career entirely due to music streaming.
5. Companies like Platoon work like a label except for the fact they allow the artists to keep their masters; this is important because streaming services need permission from whomever holds the masters to host the music. Streaming services also make their money from subscriptions, not the artists themselves.
6. Billie Eilish was nothing more than a figurehead for Apple and Spotify in their efforts to seize control of the music industry from the major labels. The doc spells this out very well. Eyelash is a corporate puppet in spite of her fake “leftist” sentiments.
>>2675247Her uncle is close friends with John Kerry, holy shit.
>>2679210Didn’t Newsom say he will arrest everyone mentioned in the Epstein files if elected POTUS?
>>2679235She’s on Ozempic now.
>>2679289WHY WHAT THE FUCK I HATE THIS
>>2679235She's always had an uncanny valley face.
>>2679500hentai doesn't try to look like real people though, that's the whole point
>>2679210The usual suspects.
Surprised he doesn't follow Jacobin.
>>2679520Yeah exactly, so if someone goes for hentai and furry stuff that gives someone overfitted to porn time away from it so they can look at normal bodies in a fresh light.
>>2680386Highland Park looks like shit. You can tell which homes are owned by white gentrifiers vs. which ones are owned by Mexican proles.
I want Laverne Cox to be a dommy-mommy towards me
>>2675247>>2679191so it just so happens that her uncle is a sitting congressman during 9/11, voted for the patriot act (alongside countless undisclosed mass surveillance bills), the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the big bank bailouts of '08, and countless other major events of the past 20 years during his service to congress.
i guess it makes sense considering Ariana Grande's mother is the CEO of a communications company that sold its products to the US Navy.
Why does this glow thread still exist? Why are you lot participating in an obvious psyop?
>>2680767Take your objectification of women to 4chan you fucking chud
>>2673165 Petitboug just get carried with the current usually. If the proletariat is winning they join the cause of labour against the big capitalist class, if reaction is winning they join it against the proles to preserve their property
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