The so-called “third-worldist” strain of communism is a perfect illustration of how an ideology can cosplay as Marxism while violating its most basic analytical foundations. Marxism is not a moral sympathy project for whoever looks poorest on a map; it is a materialist framework rooted in relations of production, class antagonism, and the concrete development of capitalism. Third-worldism replaces this with a crude geopolitics of vibes, where entire populations are flattened into revolutionary subjects simply because they exist outside the imperial core. This is not scientific socialism—it is aesthetic anti-imperialism dressed up in red slogans.
What makes this intellectual laziness especially useful is how neatly it dovetails with the American ruling class’s real interest: keeping Americans from developing class consciousness. The recent Epstein file circus is a perfect case study. Instead of directing attention toward systemic exploitation, capital concentration, labor suppression, or the very ordinary mechanisms of class power, the discourse is flooded with lurid, sensational, half-digested “revelations” that function primarily as outrage pornography. Whether parts of these files are real, exaggerated, or outright nonsense is almost beside the point—the effect is the same. The conversation shifts from material analysis to paranoid scavenger hunts.
And this is where conspiracy thinking becomes a political dead end. People who treat every unverified, context-free claim in those files as gospel aren’t radical truth-seekers; they’re useful idiots for distraction. Conspiracism feels subversive because it flatters the believer with secret knowledge, but it is fundamentally anti-Marxist. It replaces structural critique with villain lore, collective struggle with individual villains, and historical materialism with fan fiction about hidden cabals. The result isn’t revolutionary consciousness—it’s political infantilization.
In short, third-worldist posturing and Epstein-file hysteria serve the same function: they give people something to feel angry about without giving them anything to understand. And an angry but confused population is infinitely safer for the ruling class than a calm one that actually knows how power works.
252 posts and 28 image replies omitted.Just pointed out how you all missed the OP post is filled to the brim with em dashes and repeated use of "that's not X it's Y" phrasing.
You're responding to an AI slop generated arguement albeit perhaps slightly altered by OP in parts due to capitalisation errors.
What a fucking joke, I'm surrounded by idiots.
And fwiw third-worldism is retarded but so is the OP by rejecting that anything other than the purest class struggle can ever matter in this world.
The fact that it all ties into class, that the economics is the base, doesn't mean the superstructure is irrelevant.
>>2675981Yeah I'm pretty sure OP is a chuddy troll soiling the ultroid flag
>>2675994It's not just Gramsci buddy.
Base and Superstructure is an essential Marxist concept, laid out by Marx in Preface to A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy and expanded on by Engels primarily in Anti-Duhring.
If you reject the role of the superstructure you are rejecting Marxism.
>>2675981I did use AI to make my text easier to read.
>>2676005Whats a role of a superstructure?
>>2676008To reinforce base structure
>>2676012Mods banish this necromancer
>>2676015By telling proles that the current order is natural, just, ordained by God, or at minimum the least worst option available
>>2675981Do you think I actually read OP posts before replying to threads?
You retarded or something?
You never read Marx
holy trvke
>>2676172moot ate toddle doodoo
The world needs to save the downtrodden proles of the Occident from their depostic pedophilic, cannibalistic god-kings.
>>2676041These things exist and have effects on the real world, you’re like child going nananana boo boo I can’t see you
>>2675276>emdash>"dovetails"you asked chatgpt to write this. that doesn't make it wrong, but you should have tried a little harder to hide it.
>>2676273
and why is it more developed?
>>2676277because it is more developed
>>2676280Thanks to gooder capitalism or racially superior workers?
>>2676284do you know how differential equations work?
>>2676289Can you ever give a straight answer?
>>2675374So you're just openly being racist?
This guy is just a /pol/tard baiting, all he has done here is call people stupid, say they aren't heckin following Marx(since when was that our scripture anyway?) and need to read Marx, then when they actually pull up Marx quotes he says they're "quotemining".
>>2675501This. Who do you think is joining the marines to slaughter people in the Middle East? Politicians' children? Who do you think boarded the helicopters to go kidnap Maduro? Billionaires' sons? It's the American "working class", which has proven itself by its actions fully willing to kill third worlders even for the marginal benefits they receive(relative to the profit made by the capitalists), such as "free college" and "lower gas prices".
>>2675508There were successful socialist revolutions across the entirety of Latin America in the 20th century and now it's down to 3 ailing countries. Did they just blow up themselves?
>>2676866were there any communist revolutions (as in like the russian revolution) in latam though. figures like castro only "became" communists later on (aka larped to get ussr gibs)
>>2675524>Ah yes, the Wal-Mart minimum wage greeter, the leader of the 37th US Air Force bomber squadronMost people in the Air Force come from the middle class, which I assume you're including in "American proletariat" since that's half the population. Unless you want to say that 50% of Americans can't be considered proles, in which case I agree.
>>2675642>worse for the environment than coalThis is only true if you guzzle up fossil fuel industry sponsored propaganda lmao. Real studies show it's cleaner than any fossil fuel.
>>2675657You realize lifecycle CO2-equivalent emissions are quantifiable and that the anti-clean energy narrative has been debunked over and over already?
>>2675701OK I think this is bait.
>>2675276>>2675282You take the anti-conspiracy thing too far and divorce your own analysis from reality when you conclude that there are no conspiracies or that they're not created by structural forces and don't contribute to structural oppression. Conspiracy is inherent to capitalist rule because capitalism puts power into individual hands. Conspiracies of individuals should be expected. Also, and more importantly, this shows a genuine struggle within the capitalist camp over leadership. On the one hand you have the military connected billionaire conspirators who are consciously advancing their aims, and on the other you have liberal bourgeois democratic rule, where political competition is the norm. The military-political conspiracy around epstein is the vanguard of the capitalist class against the proletariat (as this is what western sphere intelligence services' primary purpose is). It's activity was gaining blackmail material and influence among the bourgeoisie in order to unify their class, presumably to strengthen its position contra other classes. The struggle between the vanguard of the bourgeoisie and the bourgeoisie itself over control of the state, and the struggles of capitalists insofar as they individually influence the state when the vanguard is not ruling for them, are important internal contradictions in the capitalist class. They tell us how unified our enemy is, which determines whether or not we can successfully wage revolution.
Secondly, it's not necessarily wrong to take certain countries as functional monoliths. Israel is maybe the best example of this, where nearly the whole population is able to be bought off and educated to be supportive of their imperialist aggression. I agree it's wrong to flatten the US, but for a while during the post-war pre-crisis period it would have been correct, as the population was functionally monolithic and all revolutionary proletarian elements had been effectively isolated. We're lucky that the US is such a large country with a large economy that requires too large of a proletariat to fully buy off for long, and that black america was not able to be contained. But there's nothing wrong with the idea that large populations can be made into a hereditary caste of imperial enforcers with a good standard of living who have no revolutionary potential. I agree that too many people don't employ class analysis when they obviously should but you lean too far into a simplified view of capitalism that does't have room for intentional strategies of rule by the bourgeoisie, such as caste among the non-owners and conspiracies to control the bourgeoisie by their vanguard.
Capital puppets the bourgeoisie as its avatars, but the same bourgeoisie command a state against the proletariat and in that state they come together in conspiracies and with specific plans that they use to maintain control. When a bourgeoisie is imperialist and has wide global reach, they can embourgeoisfy their own non-bourgeois classes and employ them as a class of international enforcers and their logistics. In the US the embourgeoisfication isn't total because the need for enforcers isn't that high and there are too many existing vested capital interests that want to operate as unrestrained as possible, but that doesn't make the concept of embourgeoification and it's effects fake.
>>2676273
Productivity doesn't affect wages, go back to marx 101, proudhonist
Bumpity
>>2677467Aight, good job.
>>2676876So police and military are proles then? Ill screenshot your post and bring it up whenever that discussion arises lol.
>>2677479Can’t forget CEOs
Are HR managers proletarian?
>>2675331>implying porky ever "allows" the proles to revoltI…I…I'm sowwy mistew labow aristocwat, I'wl ask porky nicely next time.
>>2675281People dancing in frog suits look ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as the people calling them "terrorists." That's sort of the entire point.
>>2675292Because if an American worker was paid that wage they would starve to death. The cost of the reproduction of labour power forms a floor below which wages cannot fall, since if they did workers would be physically unable to continue working. This is basic Marxist analysis.
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