/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>marxist movement to liberate Quebec
See, this is why you cant tolerate nationalism within communism, otherwise you end up with shit like this.

Thanks to them, Quebec now has completely nationalized energy production and grid that also runs on 99% Green energy.

>>2678975
I mean, anticolonial struggle is a thing, it is to define if Quebec is a colony tho

>>2679056
I can answer that question for you: No.

Too much Anglo supremacy in this thread.

>>2678965
>marxist movement who did 300 bomb attacks and 2 kidnapping.
that sounds like a narodnik/terrorist movement, not like a marxist movement
has anyone here actually read lenin?

>>2679094
Most Marxists have not, no.

>>2679056
>it is to define if Quebec is a colony tho
It isn't. Quebec is the Scotland of North America. They bitch and moan about Anglo oppression while enthusiastically participating in and benefitting from Canadian colonialism and imperialism. Meanwhile they're one of the most thoroughly developed and industrialized regions in the country, have produced multiple important and influential prime ministers (including the two that wrote our constitution), are wealthier than several Anglo provinces, and are so politically important that even parties which only run in Quebec can still become the main opposition in parliament. Ontario and Quebec are like the two suns around which the rest of the country revolves.

>>2679277
You bet, now it came to my thoughts, how this sentiment started in the first place, why was a "liberation front" born in Quebec who called itself communist and was trained nevertheless by the PLO.

>>2679559
There were some legitimate grievances in the past regarding issues like language rights, but after a series of reforms in the 60s and 70s they're now the only province that isn't required to support bilingualism and are allowed to do everything in French.

Just as planned…

FLQ was a glowie op like the Italian Years of Lead. The intent was to make Quebec separatism look retarded, and also to test how easy it was for the bourgeois Canadian government to suspend all "civil liberties" and to immediately move to martial law.

>>2679633
Was Epstein quebecois?

>>2679639
>the intent was to make Quebec separatism look retarded
so it's not retarded itself?

Retarded adventurism

>>2679056
Hello liberal

>>2679755
the socialist ou barbarie has spoken everybody hide rn

Also produced the best book title ever.

>>2679764
who

>>2679751
It isn't retarded at all and are valid to want to seperate. But without Quebec, Canada as a state is done and will collapse, so dedicated Anglo Canadians hate Quebec and believe independence is selfish despite never signing up to be part of the Anglo crown

>>2680336
>It isn't retarded at all and are valid to want to seperate.
Can you explain further?

>despite never signing up to be part of the Anglo crown
Can't canadians unify in their desire of letting the Crown down instead of advocating by stupid ass nationalist principles

>>2679639
There was no such thing as Quebec separatism before the flq. They kick-started it. This is getting things wrong.

>>2679639
sources? I can totally believe it because those were the golden years for GLADIO ops.

>>2681340
U sure? That would've mean that De Gaulle implicitly supported the flq

>>2678975
True

>>2680336
>but without Quebec, Canada as a state is done and will collapse
How do you figure that this would cause the collapse of anglo Canada but allow Quebec to be a self-sustaining nation? Especially when you consider that the Indigenous population who have land rights to much of the province outside the St. Lawrence strip emphatically opposed independence and declared their intention to secede from Quebec and rejoin Canada. Would these brave champions of national self-determination allow such a thing?
>so dedicated Anglo Canadians hate Quebec and believe independence is selfish despite never signing up to be part of the Anglo crown
Aww, did one clique of colonizers get beaten by another? What a tragedy. Won't somebody think of the poor Ancien Regime and its imperial interests?

I've been to Quebec. Interesting place. The vibe of the place (at least Montreal) was pretty lefty… saw an anarchist squat complete with flags in an abandoned industrial building from my bus driving in from the airport. At the same time, people were friendly and in some cases intrigued about me being from Texas which is better than people not liking you. Maybe it's a quasi/sub-national thing. My King of the Hill impression went over really well.

Quebec is a pretty cool place
The group OP mentions was a pretty solid armed movement, and im surprised people don't talk about leftist politics in Quebec, its interesting.

Also I went there with my brother who is a disheveled, stinky, scraggly-bearded artist and he blended right in. Someone was like "I thought you were a Quebecker…"

Don't forget the cat guy ITT is a butthurt Anglo-Canadian.

Cuba had no problem showing their solidarity with the FLQ.

>>2696661
Exactly you can see the seethe in the posts. Quebec will inevitably be liberated

>>2696661
Why would I be butthurt? I'm just relating the facts about it. It was a stupid, hypocritical movement that failed because it wasn't a genuine national liberation struggle but the whining of bourgeois petty nationalists. Roughly equivalent to the sort of bitching you hear from Balts. Separatism is more or less dead in Quebec, which I'm pretty thrilled about. Now we just need to kick some sense into Alberta.

Why is it that the only actually competent Western leftist groups tend to be ethno-nationalist in some way, while the more ideological ones either spend most of their time spouting violent rhetoric without doing anything or in the rare instances when they try something, end up being massive embarrassments

>>2697356
this is just fake, competent western leftist groups existed and somehow still exist and they do something.

>>2699416
name them, the morons who robbed a government bathroom or failed bank robbers who got shot and arrested

>>2702818
search up autonomism

>>2678975
>canacuck mad
it is good and revolutionary to liberate quebec from the greasy anglo hands

its funny people from Alberta expect to leave Canada but they don't expect Quebec to do so, even when a nationalist party controls the province, and they speak a different language, and they had a armed movement to leave

>>2710120
Looked that up. Apparently thr biggest representatives were in France and like many anti-authoritarian and anti-soviet tendencies post-68 they got absorbed into neoliberalism because it promoted the whole promoted flexibility, self-management, " your own boss" crap.

>>2679277
This is a very disingenuous analysis and if anything just demonstrates your total lack of understanding of French Canadian history. Like, since Quebec historically has had some notable prime ministers, and in 2026 is wealthier than they were in the past therefore… the entire history of Quebec nationalism is totally baseless?

You are intentionally ignoring the very long and well documented history of intense and brutal colonialism that French Canadiens endured at the hands of the British. A great example of this history is The City Below The Hill by Herbert Brown Ames, a pretty widely known piece of Montreal history in the 1890’s. French Canadiens (along with the Irish, black, any many other groups) were effectively proletarianized and served for centuries as the Anglo colonial class’ labour base, enduring horrible living conditions - infant mortality for French Canadiens in the city was 1 in 3, French Canadien life expectancy was about 25 years while the English average around 50. They were, for most of their history, forced to live in wildly overcrowded English-owned slums with some of the highest tuberculosis rates in the industrial world. They were basically cannon fodder for the British colonial project in North America well into the 20th century. While French Canadiens obviously came to North America as settlers themselves, they were quickly subjugated to serve the interests of the British ruling colonial class.

It’s ironic that you write off the 20th century separatist movement as just the opinions of a petit bourgeois class and yet, you also say that Quebec’s grievances are irrelevant because a few very wealthy French speaking Quebecers of the ruling bourgeois class happened to either serve as PM or in government roles, and so that apparently disqualifies the exploitation and hardships of millions of regular working class French Canadiens throughout their history, none of whom obviously ever got to serve as a wealthy politician. I am not going to pretend like Quebec is the most oppressed community in the world or something. As you mention, there have been major reforms since the 70’s that have lead to them achieving economic and social parity for the most part with Anglo Canadians. But to look at their struggle through this ahistorical lens and just say shit like, “well, they’re allowed to speak their language now so who cares?” is to effectively erase the entire basis of what Quebec nationalism is, and in fact, cede it to Quebec’s white nationalist right wing, who has very effectively co-opted what was once an emancipatory and deeply left wing nationbuilding project. And honestly that has happened in large part because of Anglophones like you who don’t understand any of the history behind why a formerly oppressed and proletarianized group of people may have a political desire for self-determination, and just chalk it all up to some bullshit identitarian language supremacy movement. Parties like the PQ and CAQ thrive on that revisionism, it is the contemporary basis for their entire political movements.

The FLQ was very, VERY popular in Quebec, as an explicitly Marxist-Leninist movement, and enjoyed widespread popular support for their platform and politics, not just from students and the intelligentsia but also from working class populations in the provinces major cities. You say they failed because they were hypocritical and not a true nationalist movement. The reality is that, anybody who lives in Quebec knows, they were insanely popular. They lost their support when they kidnapped and killed English government ministers, which greatly upset members of the public and press who all thought it went too far, and then the feds immediately launched a massive campaign to capture and eliminate the organization. There are many ways to analyze that situation but to write it off as some petit bourgeois hypocrisy - like, they actually put their money where they mouth was and they faced consequences for it, and the ones that weren’t captured had no choice but to escape to Cuba. Your comments are frankly just misinformed and are not rooted in any knowledge of the history of Quebecois people, what you are saying would be embarrassing even for Reddit standards.

>>2758780
>You are intentionally ignoring the very long and well documented history of intense and brutal colonialism that French Canadiens endured at the hands of the British
No, I acknowledged that there were legitimate grievances in the past, however today there is no basis to regard Quebec as an oppressed nation within Canada.
>and so that apparently disqualifies the exploitation and hardships of millions of regular working class French Canadiens throughout their history, none of whom obviously ever got to serve as a wealthy politician
It doesn't disqualify them, but it doesn't mean that these have a national or colonial character. The point is to illustrate that French Canadians have not been significantly locked out of the highest echelons of Canada's political system due to their nationality. Their position isn't comparable to say, Indigenous people who had absolutely zero say in anything, no recognition of their cultural rights, and were not even recognized as full citizens until very recently. Of course the fact that two Quebecois wrote our constitution is of little comfort to working class French Canadians, but that's a class issue. It's not of any comfort to working class Canadians of any kind.
>why a formerly oppressed and proletarianized group of people may have a political desire for self-determination
I understand why they had a desire for self determination, I'm just telling you why I think those desires, or at least separatism as a means of achieving them, were misplaced. The fact that you acknowledge that they were formerly oppressed (i.e. are not currently oppressed) means that any oppression they faced was not of a genuinely colonial or imperialist nature. If it was then it would not be possible to resolve these issues within a capitalist-imperialist framework. This is why I made the comparison to Scotland. The Scots had plenty of legitimate grievances against the English, but these never rose to the level of making them an oppressed nation in the Leninist sense.

so much of this site is just guys discovering shit on wikipedia for the first time. read a book

Quebec nationalists can claim to be socialist all they want, they dont believe in it. They are franco supremacists.