Who created Christian Zionism? I have been studying the Bible recently and the topic and I cannot find anything in the New Testament that even hints at some future Jewish ethnic based kingdom. In fact zionism seems to contradict historic Christianity.
Ezekiel 40-42 and Zechariah 14
As always, it's up to interpretation
>>2680703 (me)
The new earth prophecy is usually meshed with the new jerusalem prophecy
Isaiah 65:17 & 66:22, 2 Peter 3:13, and Revelation 21:1 in the new testament
the purpose of christian zionism is to hasten end-times prophecy. christians are death cultists that want the end of the world.
>>2680698it does not exist outside of most silly protestant sects
>>2680698>Abrhamic Abrahamism makes no sense from an Abrahamic standpointAbrahamism is schizophrenia, regardless of what version you're going with.
>>2680698idk who made this meme but only christcuck evangelicals dickride muh KJV hard even though it sloppily translates a lot of things like for example when the Israelites are covering up their own polytheistic past and destroying statues of Yahweh's wife, Asherah, the NRSV and other scholarly editions translates that properly, "Asherah poles" or "Asherah idols" while the retarded KJV just calls them "groves."
>>2680698>Who created Christian Zionism?Capitalists using the cover of christianity
The ruling class of the United™ Snakkkes of ICErael and the United™ KKKingdom of "Great"BritPAIN and >Northern Ireland colony.
>>2680698End-times evangelical Christian Zionists believe that in order to usher in the rapture, apocalypse, and return of Jesus (who will establish a thousand-year kingdom), Israel has to exist and be controlled by the Jews. 144,000 Jews will be "saved" and become Christian, the rest will die and go to hell.
>>2681288This should be classified as child abuse and all the adults involved should be sent to jail.
>>2681298Protestantism should be outlawed tbh. It's inherently abusive (and heretical)
Evangelical American Christianity, they use moral issues and satanic panic such as gays, abortion, drugs and immigrants eroding 'christian culture' in the service of capitalism to co-opt the believers into supporting conservatism out of fear of God and against their self interest through 'asceticism'.
>>2681301>hereticalthere is no "correct" interpretation of your abrahamic spooks. you all call each other heretical in a comedic circular fingerpointing squad.
>>2681581We know you're a fucking presbyterian, don't try to hide it.
>>2681288reminder that zog isn't real and israel is just an american airbase
Wow no one here knows jack shit.
One of the early Christian Zionists was Isaac Newton.
>>2700106Oy Vey Rabbi, the goyim aren't falling for this one any more, we need to come up with a different line.
>>2700604Haven't read that book but it's my understanding that Sowell is a conservative economist who asserts that black Americans and the white Scots-Irish descendants are basically the same people shaped by an honor culture. Personal reputation and respect matters and you don't take insults lying down. In Trump's base you can get this combination of suspicion about spreading "democracy" which is perceived as isolationaist but they will enthusiastically support military force if it's perceived as restoring our image as being badasses who you don't want to mess with. The Scots-Irish settled in buffer zones between the established settlements and Indian country in part because of their reputation for violence. This was also the social base for Andrew Jackson, and political historians have referred to the Jacksonian tradition in American politics. That contributes to supporting Isreal now because they're perceived as being in the same "Judeo-Christian" "tribe." I guess there was a lot of ideological work done to make that seem natural even if that's not how people would've thought about it in the 18th century.
On this book about the American Revolution, an interesting thing about it is that it reads like a social / political conflict within the same empire that radicalized as England tried to tighten political control. The Boston Massacre was a soccer hooligan riot that you'd see in peripheral armpit cities in the U.K. / Northern Ireland which got out of control basically. It wasn't initially about independence but that's how previous social conflicts within this society about rights of commoners got sublated up to another level.
>>2681297which is an extremely retarded reading of the new testament and book of revelations which is just an anti roman imperialist critique in the language of jewish apocalyptic prophecy
>>2680698>New TestamentThis is only half of the bible. Christianity is a deeply judaistic religion.
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what the fuck is this chat gpt slop kill yourself if you can't even write a couple paragraphs and need to AI slopify something in order to post
>>2700106oceania airstrip two
of course bibble study is no different than astrology as in you read whatever the fuck you want into it for example check this out:
from revelations there is, the beast from the sea (which could be netenyahu), the beast from the earth (which could be trump), the harlot/babylon the great (USA-Israel or global crapitalism), the kings of the earth (NATO), etc
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>abrahamikkkk spookkks
>>2680698Protestants aren't Christian. Martin Luther rejected the Creed of Nicaea by arguing against a single unified Church.
A Thousand Years of Christian Tradition traded for Athari Tier Literalism.
Not that it matters. Christianity at it's core is a slave Religion telling you to be Docile Cattle. Judaism is an Ethnoreligious Cult about treating non Jews as Cattle. So they seem perfectly compatible with eachother to me.
Jesus having been a cool guy or whatever might be used in discussions trying to convince a Christcuck but it's not essential to Christianity as a whole.
russian saboteurtianity also makes no sense thoughever
>>2680751Evangelical christian zionists are committing like 20 different heresies by being christian zionists.
>>2728515>Martin Luther rejected the Creed of Nicaea by arguing against a single unified Church.<There can only be one true visible Church. Of this our Catechism speaks in Question 192: "Whom do we call the true visible Church?" Answer: "The whole number of those who have, teach and confess the entire doctrine of the Word of God in all its purity, and among whom the Sacraments are duly administered according to Christ's institution." Almost all protestant including Lutherans say that there is only one true church united by their faith in Christ. They just don't claim that their particular church institution, organization and doctrinal differences are the true church and that everybody outside it are damned like the eastern orthodoxy and catholics claim.
>>2730402well, the creed of nicaea was just an agreement made by a bunch of people hundreds of years after the fact yeah? I am sure they had to arbitrate and settle on this using biblical arguments and sources (to a degree anyway) but it's still indirect, like a human interpretation of what is right more than anything directly stated by a divine source?
>>2728515>Christianity at it's core is a slave Religion telling you to be Docile Cattle. Judaism is an Ethnoreligious Cult about treating non Jews as Cattle. So they seem perfectly compatible with eachother to me.Christianity started out as the complete antithesis of late Roman values which was a rigidly oligarchical slave empire based on military domination and marked by crazy emperors, armies of hired of foreign soldiers, and a huge number of people living in conditions where they didn't expect things to get better so they got blackpilled and started slacking off or getting into decadent pasttimes if they could afford it (and most couldn't). But it's why fascists get into that Nietzschean stuff where you can crush and enslave.
But the idea behind Christianity is that "thou art in blame." Ye all are to blame for the corruption of the world! Everyone shares in the responsibility for the general unhappy fucked-upness of this world. No one could deny this, by the way. Also to become a Christian means you have to accept that, but you're also saved at the same time when you do. You ATONE for your sin, which was common in other religions that existed before Christianity, but Christianity did it for everybody and it really took off as the first real universal world religion in a Darwinian process of natural selection.
>>2680698Modern Evangelical Zionism was literally funded by Jewish Zionists in the Lotos club who funded a guy to write an annotated bible that basically pushed Israeli Nationalism and Zionism called the Scofield Reference Bible which was then spread by Walter Rothschilds Oxford Publishing house (and continued to be edited by Jewish Zionists after Scofields death at the publishing house)
>>2680978>christcuck#####
why do communists care if something makes sense from the KKKRISTIAN point of view?
is the marxism point of view not enough?
was it not enough to tolerate islamist animals? we have to accomodate for chirstcucks too now? what next? hindutva socialism?
>>2700101Only Orthodox, Catholic, and Marionite are valid.
>>2680698>Who created Christian Zionism? I have been studying the Bible recently and the topic and I cannot find anything in the New Testament that even hints at some future Jewish ethnic based kingdom. In fact zionism seems to contradict historic Christianity.I think American Protestantism has become a distinct religious expression different from traditional global Protestantism. Maybe the most distinct characteristic of that American Protestantism is its millenarian "waiting for the end times" attitude. There are armies of people who believe in an Evangelical End Times in their lifetime in this Sorelian, mythic sense. Like these people
genuinely think they'll live to see the earth open up, armies of angels and demons fighting each other, people disappearing, so on.
I cant stress the reality of this belief enough. Like there's a scene in the movie Red State by Kevin Smith where this murderous cult of evangelicals stop killing and immediately start losing their shit with joy when they think they hear the trumpets signaling Armageddon. If you talk to people who grew up in the background of a strict Seventh Day Adventist household about that scene, quite a few will say it viscerally, emotionally effected them, even after they've left their particular sect, because many have been trained from childhood to think "you'll hear those trumpets one day and the end times are coming."
The modern incarnation of Christian Zionism, functionally, is an attempt to hasten the end times. They've created a "checklist" of "prophecies" that they think must be fulfilled to usher in the end of days. One of those is that they imagine the modern nation-state of Israel
must exist and all the Jews
must go there and another temple
must be built, and then Jesus will come back to end the world. But they'll see it as a time to rejoice because all the sinners: the whores, the fags, the papists, the muslims, the buddhists, the atheists, the drug addicts, and all the others will be dragged down to the fiery pits of Hell while they get to ascend to Heaven.
What's especially funny is that Trump personally fulfills a lot of the criteria for "Antichrist" but because these Christians are a modern Pharisees and emphasize rigid adherence to "rules" over the Holy Spirit, they don't see that. For fuck's sake he's even putting his name on currency now: the "Mark of The Beast" is listed as being required for commerce and trade in their own cosmology, and they don't see Trump's obvious egoism as a sign of his Antichrist nature. To them, the Antichrist is an embodiment of the same secular liberal world order they despise.
People think its ridiculous that some blood sucking vampire like Peter Thiel claimed Greta Thurnberg could be the Antichrist, but there's a long history of American Protestants accusing anyone who is virtuous from a secular set of morality as being "The Antichrist". Shit, they thought Obama was The Antichrist during his term! They'll think someone like Jimmy Carter is The Antichrist. The Antichrist, they think, has some "supernatural charisma", which they interpret as being genuinely affable and presenting as a morally acceptable world leader. It's not the disgusting pig of a man that the news rakes over the coals. It's not the pastor caught diddling kids. No, Satan owns the mainstream news so of course
they would say "Oh that guy who can't even name a bible verse is a fake Christian and bad" over the well-spoken Black guy.
THE “CHRISTIAN” COLONIALIST STATE CALLED ISRAEL
The Zionist settlers should listen to Sayyed and leave so called israel . Sayyed seems to know the root of the problem, and the solution to this problem; and he has warned the settlers to stop being part of this endeavor and to leave the place if they want security and safety, because there is no security and safety in the temporary state. Sayyed added they should do this as soon as possible because there will come a time when they will not be able to leave . Sayyed seems to bring up the fact that what is in store for israelis is what was in store for the Vietnamese agents to the US when the US decided to withdraw after it was defeated by the Viet Cong and left behind thousand of agents to their fate .
The truth is that the problem that very few are bringing up is that of the foundation of the usurping state, and how it was founded and who founded it, and the role of the Jews in all this .The owners of the project of israel are not the Jews , they are the colonialists, and the colonialists imposed it on the Jews who rejected it and refused it at first before some notorious Jews accepted it and embarked on it and made most Jews embark on it .
Many sources say -including Chomsky -that israel was conceived in the sick minds of European Christians. This is where the concept of israel took birth and developed. It is a Christian concept ; and this concept had to go through racism and anti Semitism and wait for the 2nd world war in order to materialize. The European colonialists- together with the Nazis- started this endeavor before some Jews signed up for it under colonial pressure . The Europeans segregated against the Jews , and the Nazis persecuted them, after which – and due to which- the colonialists sought to protect the Jews – so to speak- and shelter them by sending them to Palestine, a place that they could claim because of historical and religious reasons and where they could be protected . But this is only in appearance .The truth is that the israeli endeavor is but an updated version of the crusades of the medieval times; it is a Christian colonial endeavor that seeks to take possession of what the Christians think is theirs which is Jerusalem and what is considered to be the Holy Land where Jesus Christ lived and died on the cross. The Jews here are only a cover and a useful tool .
The israeli endeavor is a very old one , and it took centuries for it to become real. Thus, the US -according to Munir al Akesh- was called the first israel of God centuries before israel was created. By virtue of this endeavor the Jews were given by the colonialists a land that the colonialists did not own , a land that was Palestinian and where Palestinians lived . The Jews were lured into coming to this land and usurp it and throw the Palestinians out after massacring them and threatening them with more massacres . This is how the whole story started that is turning out to become a real blood bath. Certainly, the Jews -as a manipulated people- qualified for their role as a colonial tool and fared well . The difference they present with other Jews who refuse the Zionist endeavor- like the Neturei Karta- is striking .
The truth is that the Jews who have endorsed this role fully and identified with it and outstood themselves should start rethinking and pondering over what happened to them . They should know that they have been tricked into coming to this place, and that their real conflict is not with the Palestinians or the Arabs but with those who sent them to Palestine and used them as tools to wage war on Palestinians who are the real owners of the place and not the colonialists .
First , the Jews should settle their account with the colonialist predator who is the source of their trouble , and who is an antisemite and a Jew hater and a racist ,and who is using them in this vicious endeavor and placing them in the front lines to defend the interests of the colonialists and promote their project . It is this enemy that the Jewish settlers should turn to and confront because he is the one who set them up and put them in this situation where they cannot enjoy neither the peace nor the security they were promised . israel is not to enjoy any peace . There is no peace for the usurping state in the colonial agenda , it is an entity designed to wage endless wars and conflicts and not a state designed to live in peace . A state seeking peace would have behaved in a totally different way. The place is turning into a real hell, and it is time to realize it . It is true that the Palestinians are also suffering but the Palestinians are sacrificing for their own cause while the israelis are serving the purpose of another who at the basis is a racist and an anti Semite and who is the cause behind all this trouble .
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THE CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THE DOCTRINE OF DISCOVERY
“At the beginning of the Crusades in 1095, Pope Urban II issued the Papal Bull Terra Nullius – a decree explaining the policy of the Catholic Church about empty land. This decree gave European kings the right to “discover” and claim land in non-Christian areas. In 1452, Pope Nicholas V extended this policy through the Papal Bill Romanus Pontifex that declared war against all non-Christians in the world and authorized the conquest of their nations and territories.”
Colonialism is a Christian church doctrine. It is an occasion to acquire wealth in an illegal way by robbing others. The Christians are the chosen people, and the promised land is the whole world. It is this doctrine that was the starting point of colonialism. A doctrine that gives supremacy to the Christian western civilization over any other civilization, and gives to this civilization the right over any land or anything that belongs to non Christians. This allowed the Spanish court to usurp the Native lands in the New world and- as a result- everything in the New World belonged to the Spanish court, and therefore to the Church, including the lives of those who live on it, not to speak of the resources. And because those resources were limited as the land is limited, the whole endeavor needed to be organized and the shares distributed .What founded the state of israel is this doctrine that is functioning up to this minute, and what the colonialists got in terms of non Christian territory they gave to the Jews as a compensation for the violations committed against them and in order to get rid of them after persecuting them , and as an attempt to use the Jews in a new experiment and find. The israeli endeavor is a colonialist endeavor by excellence .
Therefore colonialism does not act blindly and in a random way. It is based on a clear political doctrine and it is founded on a law issued by the Church itself , and what the colonialist Christians are doing is applying an existing law, and this regardless of the kind of Church involved in this endeavor because this is a universal law . This law – the Doctrine of Discovery law – has been cancelled recently by the Vatican, and the Vatican hopes by this to absolve the Church from all the crimes that were committed by the church itself who funded these expeditions that were deadly to millions of Natives. However, the effects of this law are still active on the ground and cannot be cancelled or reversed . Racism and racial segregation are very mild accusations addressed to these world powers. It is genocide , slavery and servitude that are the essence of such a law . The only thing the Vatican can do to redeem itself is close doors and apologize from Christ and repent, and compensate the Natives including Palestinians for their losses . This is a mild punishment, and not equal to the atrocities committed against peoples everywhere. .
The Church itself is founded on the usurp of Christianity whereby it used Religion as a label, and under the label of Christianity and the name of Christ , it committed all the horrors and atrocities one can think of.
>>2680698> cannot find anything in the New Testament that even hints at some future Jewish ethnic based kingdom. In fact zionism seems to contradict historic Christianity.Yes the bible specifically says that the Old Jews lost the covenant and that the New Jews(Christians) have it now. Israel is the church which is the body of Christ. The descendants of Abraham is anyone who believes in Christ.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%209&version=HCSB>9 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience is testifying to me with the Holy Spirit[a]— 2 that I have intense sorrow and continual anguish in my heart. 3 For I could almost wish to be cursed and cut off[b] from the Messiah for the benefit of my brothers, my own flesh and blood. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the temple service, and the promises. 5 The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent,[c] came the Messiah, who is God over all, praised forever.[d] Amen.
>6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants.[e] On the contrary, your offspring will be traced[f] through Isaac.[g] 8 That is, it is not the children by physical descent[h] who are God’s children, but the children of the promise are considered to be the offspring. 9 For this is the statement of the promise: At this time I will come, and Sarah will have a son.[i] 10 And not only that, but also Rebekah received a promise when she became pregnant[j] by one man, our ancestor Isaac. 11 For though her sons had not been born yet or done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to election might stand— 12 not from works but from the One who calls—she was told: The older will serve the younger.[k] 13 As it is written: I have loved Jacob, but I have hated Esau.[l]
>Galatians 3:28-29, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
>“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:15–16 (KJV) Evangelicals that want to destroy the world, won't it suck if they turn out to be right on eschatology?
If the catholics are right I'll just go to purgatory but if the evangelicals are right then I'm going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200
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