besides the fact that it is liberal, gay, and retarded, why is intersectionality wrong? How do we break the spell of intersectionality which is held over the real working class? What should be done with people who pushed intersectionality after the revolution? If you are a proponent of intersectionality, why haven't you hung yourself yet out of shame?
106 posts and 14 image replies omitted.>>2683169>unless it's connected to the class struggle.It is.
>dividing up the struggle into smaller, more individual fights, instead of focusing on what unites us all – classNo, that's what was happening before intersectionality was introduced.
>>2683175>No part of dialectical materialism is about people being purely priviledged or opressedYes, because once you look at things materialistically you see that everything is multi-factoral, aka intersectional. Nothing exists in a vaccum.
>>2683183>"privileged" and "unprivileged" is such a cucked substitute to erase the reality of ownership of or dispossession from the means of production.Yeah it's pretty dumb, and by adopting a bit of materialism through intersectionality, libs are one step closer to giving up the privilege nonsense.
>>2683214vidrel at 8:21 btw
>>2683214That was among proles with a materialist understanding of stuff. The lib proles had some weird beliefs about how "privilege" works that intersectionality helped break them out of, priming them to eventually move to materialism.
The problem with intersectionality can be summed up in one image. tl;dr it's the opposite of unity LITERALLY
And it's not just hurr durr similar names, the logic of intersectionality IS that of intersection. When you hear liberals talk about the intersection of identities it's not black people AND trans people AND women (union), it's black trans women (intersection). Each category that you tack on narrows down the group you're talking about to be smaller and smaller. The focus is placed precisely on those struggles that are specific and unique ONLY to people within a particular subgroup. For example, black trans women face a number of specific forms of bigotry that combine racism, misogyny, and transphobia in a unique way. Hyper specific issues like that do matter and are a problem, but they can also be traced back to the larger constituent parts. To be radical is to grasp at the root, to recognize the symptoms and trace them back to the cause.
Intersectionality orients our thinking in precisely the opposite direction, away from broadening and generalizing our understanding and toward cataloguing all the many specific symptoms. This is not in and of itself a bad thing to do, but it's not productive as a tentpole of your radical organization because there are simply too many permutations of identity groups and problems to deal with them all individually instead of prioritizing the root causes. If we put an org's deliberation in computational terms, we have a combinatorial explosion. And worse, it aggravates points of difference that weaken solidarity in the group. Whenever you cleave people off into tighter identity subcategories, you put focus on the differences they have from the others, and in the context of intersectionality which views differences as inherently hierarchical, you inject judgment against the group considered to be oppressors in a given identity category. This is a classic cointelpro tactic of downplaying common interest in favor of tensions and differences.
Taken to its logical conclusion, intersectionality would divide people up into the smallest combination of identities possible, until everyone is by themselves. It is, in the last analysis, an individualistic ideology that centers personal lived experience and grievance while sidelining systemic analysis to get at the root causes of these problems and transform society as a whole. "The smallest minority on Earth is the individual."
– Ayn Rand
>>2683136Do you think she would be open to speak (virtually of course) at an ACP meeting? She was retweeting Hinkle lately.
>>2683218>Intersectionality helped break them out of, priming them to eventually move to materialism.Huh. I've never seen that, rather the opposite where intersectional ideology hijacks class movements with prior insurrectionary potential and causes them to implode.
>>2683218>The lib proles had some weird beliefs about how "privilege" works that intersectionality helped break them out ofHow is intersectionality not rooted in privilege politics? The basis of it is pointing out the way people's identity groups stack up on the axes of privilege like in OP's image.
>>2683221based af my uygha 100% with you but I would have left out the ayn rand quote at the end
>>2683232The Ayn Rand quote is there to emphasize the commonality that intersectionality has with lolbertarianism.
>>2683233I know fam it's all good it's just too easy to take out of context for readers with lesser attention to nuance. It's my editorial instinct buggin' out, forgive me.
>>2682353>You're parents paid for your bottom surgery and hormonesThe vast majority of trans people never have bottom surgery, for largely financial reasons. Hormones are cheap and mass produced, because they are mostly used by cisgender people. By far the biggest consumers of hormones and gender affirming care in general are cisgender people. It's only trans people that western societies want to ban from accessing it.
>>2683231It sorta reads to me like how people reduce hegel to "thesis, antithesis, synthesis"
Like, if you can grasp that it's multi-factoral, then you can grasp that some factors might not be linear, and if privilege–something linear–is composed of things that are non-linear, then perhaps privilege as a concept is flawed.
>>2683228Is it because they lose sight of class being primary, or because they have some undealt-with issues that cause it to crumble over simple shit? When it comes to movement-ism it seems like it's usually the latter, and that's why actually organizing instead of putting your hope in movements is better.
Orgs can handle the intersectional aspect of materialism without shitting themselves.
>>2682728>Fat people are not oppressedThis is an easy statement to make, but the majority of fat people by far are proletariat, who are oppressed. Furthermore the systemic root causes that cause fatness in a population strata are almost entirely economic, and related to material conditions such as
a) Access to healthy food. Many areas of the US are "food deserts", and in places like this, less healthy food is cheaper and more economical for poor people. Fresh fruit and vegetables are a luxury. In some towns all there is is a gas station to buy food within walking distance.
b) Urban planning. In these areas unless you own a car you cannot buy food anywhere near where you are forced to live due to poverty. Because there are no grocery stores. Only gas stations and convenience stores.
Do these factors explain it all? No, but they strongly correlate.
So yes, many, even if not most, fat people are oppressed as proletariat, and their fatness is caused by their class position primarily
>>2682148>Appealing to conditions that only applied to at most 5% of the populationFixing serious problems in material conditions for 5% of the population isn't worth it? Maybe you're missing the other half of the equation which is the cost of fixing those conditions, and the resultant ROI. For many people in these groups, the cost is minimal to society but the ROI to the group and individual in those groups is tremendous. So this blanket statement you made is meaningless, you also provided no details whatsoever like which specific 5% group you are talking about and why their problems don't matter enough to bother fixing
>>26828531. She's Jewish
2. She transitioned after becoming a billionaire
3. Even so, she's the only trans billionaire
>>2682822She transitioned after becoming famous.
>>2682407They're calling it the most 2016 video of all time. Pretty funny how outmoded most of this is, the shockwaves of gamergate and that era of internet politics so clearly visible. Who still cares about "third wave feminists" or BLM and anfems lol? Meanwhile rightoid idpol currents are stronger than ever.
I miss Batko. Incidentally I heard rumors on here he's a fascist now, don't know how true that is tho, seems hard to believe
>>2683447i thought it was pierre du dank who became a fascist
>>2681555>le wheel of privilegeI wonder how does police violence in the USA fit into this. Because a black male has higher probability to be murdered by cops than a black female
>>2683443That's not cheap for a lot of people and relies on the exploitation of the third world to get that price point.
I'm also not just talking about bottom surgery, I'm talking about laser hair removal, facial feminization surgery, tit jobs, etc.
Those that were able to get discounts for that did so from being a vtuber, some sort of PB, labor aristocrat, or some other class that enables them treats.
>>2682879i have maybe 300 pesos at my name rn
>>2683161idk if "clearing things up" is what you need to do; ultimately we're just strangers on the internet but if you're so attracted to nazi imagery there must be something that you need to fix within yourself first, if it was WW1 aesthethics i'd sorta get it. but neonazi shit is like, bruh, why even? they're neopagan dogshit.
>>2682879Trans people don't all get medical transition, largely because it costs money. You don't become transgender when you get medical treatment any more than someone becomes depressed when they start taking an antidepressant.
>>2683593Exactly.
So why the need for transhumanism in the first place.
People are able to present themselves as they wish. If a person wants to dress and act what our society seems as feminine or masculine they can do so.
The big pharma push of hormones and surgeries is not separate from the trans question.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2683165>microaggressionsCall it social erosion and frame it as a the precursor to social murder, and watch the hysterical opposition to the term melt away. Engels said:
<When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, […] knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains.Social murder is literally death by a thousand cuts. Death by social erosion. You are worn down by little attacks until you are too weak to fight back. You lose your health, your job, your "savings" if you have any, your shelter, then you die anonymously on the street, unable to attain the level of care required to sustain your existence. Social murder by social erosion.
>>2683608zero reading comprehension
>>2683221I like your analysis.
"Minorities are bourgeois" is just what labor aristocrats tell themselves to justify their Social-Fascism. Just as long as the cishet herrenvolk get their treats, they're entirety happy with killing the minorities. Reality is that this stuff is all projection by AFL-CIA types attempting to protect Browderism and Social-Fascism.
>>2683147The proletariat is already divided on that basis. You confuse the doctor's diagnosis for the source of the infection. (Which you also do with postmodernism. Postmodernity was
identified by postmodernists, not brought about by them)
>>2683147So nationalism is postmodern?
>>2683608Hormones are comically cheap generic drugs, so cheap and easy to make that people literally make them in bath tubs. Pharma companies would make infinitely more money for far less effort by putting a cent on the price of paracetamol.
>>2681555the reason people don't like intersectionality is because in the 2010s the center left used it to argue against left wing economics.
>>2683892In a way, it is. Postmodern ways of thought are unironically utilized more, and more effectively by the right than the left
>>2683204
>Yes, because once you look at things materialistically you see that everything is multi-factoral, aka intersectional. Nothing exists in a vaccum.Yeah, thats literally what im talking about. This is a central point of marxism, you dont need intersectionality for that
>>2683890Go guzzle your Olympic, testosterone, blue chews, Adderall and ketamine with your Him's subscription
>>2683147The problem is that those divisions are a reality thanks to the efforts of the capitalists to make them so. You can't just pretend that there is no tension, chauvinism, prejudice, or any other self-destructive tendencies between racial or other groups within the working class. If you just plaster over them with banal slogans of unity without addressing and resolving genuine grievances (which in turn requires a recognition of race, gender, etc. as a social reality) then you're just going to allow them to fester until they destroy your movement.
>>2683447Bat'ko became a fascist? Source?!
>>2683447It does not surprise me that this westoid anticommunist anarcho retard eventually became honest enough to admit he's a fascist
>>2684952we have a saying here that says "when you're just going i've already went and came back 2 times"
>>2685365Here it's "I have dived where you swim"
>>2683930> Pharma companies would make infinitely more money for far less effort by putting a cent on the price of paracetamol.but then the water would be full of hormone piss that turns the frogs gay, and we can't have that
>>2682407>materialism → info-essentialismlol
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