I’m gonna shave my dog
second for Epstein is alive and playing Fortnite in Israel
>>2682142>coke flavored libs are becoming pepsi flavored libs againtiresome
God Bless America
In this country we have
>zog
Zionist occupied goverment
>pog
Pedofile occupied government
>tog
Techbro occupied government
>mog
Military industrial complex occupied government
> gog
Miami Gusano occupied government
>rog
reddit occupied government
> bog
bourgeoise occupied government
>fog
Fox news occupied government
>cog
Chud occupied government
>>2682170But if gog and magog will be in the end times doesnt it mean it will happen anyways was bush trying to stop gods plan?
Is there something besides techno-fascism that we can call the Musk, Thiel, et. al. wing of the far-right bourgeoisie and their industries? I don't object to the fascism descriptor, but I have to admit that techno sounds cool.
>>2682175Protestants & God's will is a tricky business. Basically, if Bush does it, god preordained it, even if it ends him up in Hell.
>>2682188Its cool that god sends bush to hell but did all those people in iraq have to die?
>>2682183Fascism with dweeb characteristics.
>>2682183”retarded” comes to mind
>>2682183There is no fascism in usa.
>>2682207According to protestantism, yes.
>>2682136>it's an american neo nazi slogan from the 70s. that kinda spoils it as a slogan. but American neo nazis went out of their way to turn it into reality just so they can say they're "right" while simultaneously promoting all their xenophobic political views as "fighting the jewish world order" to their dumb followers. That doesn't mean we have to deny reality just to spite them. Conservatives do this thing all the time where they start from a fucked up conclusion(illegal aliens are invading America to replace the white working class for example) and then work tirelessly to validate that conclusion(importing millions of H1B indians to replace the entire state of Texas's population) and then their retard voters go "SEEE I TOLD YOU WHITE GENOCIDE IS REAL" and then leftists shit themselves trying to explain why actually it's a good thing to replace your workforce with imported slave labor because they refuse to acknowledge the simple truth that the right-wing manufactured a crisis just so they can sell you the solution.
just because a conservative says "the government is full of pedophiles" and then they vote for jewish pedophiles doesn't mean the government is not full of pedophiles. we can gulag both the pedophiles and the people responsible for elevating them to power.
anyway none of this even matters anymore since china is humanity's last hope.
>>2681486>Slaves for all intent and purpose are like a machine operated by an overseer, and it is on the overseer pay that you make a profit, not on the slavesbut this is just a clear contradiction in marx's own writings, which is why this conversation is important:
http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2015/07/marx-on-slaves-as-fixed-capital.html?m=1it is agreed that slaves create a surplus product, so is the surplus product commoditised by the master also a surplus value? but where does the value come from?
>their value is the cost of obtaining themno, the value of labour-power is the cost of its reproduction (e.g. the wage), so the value of a slave is the cost of its original purchase along with its upkeep. this is also why a master can make a greater profit by breeding more slaves, since it discounts an external purchase and only accounts for upkeep costs over time.
>there was no "real machine" that could do shit like cotton or rubber harvest, so slaves were the next best thing.innovations like the cotton gin (1795) increased the demand for slave labour, it never diminished it. the arguments that the slave was historically outcompeted is economically unfounded. this is an issue with much of progressive history; it presumes capitalism is based on the freedom of labour rather than its compulsion. if the southern plantations built assembly lines, they could still have slaves operating them to this day without political intervention.
Kek Amerikkka is lost. DHS about to get an even bigger budget. Truly ruled and controlled by a canal of bourgeois nonces
Wasn't it the case that during Bush and Obama, when the USA was triumphant fresh out of winning the cold war, they used to invoke socialism jargon? Terms such as: "Socialism" "(Cultural) Marxism" "Redistribution" "Class warfare" and so on as dirty words, as accusations.
I wonder at which point the left jargon will split from the liberal consultant/activist. Because liberals seem to be rehabilitating the cold war 1 tropes, fascism and race science and all. It's a matter of time before they get to the red scare.
>>2682299Liberals may have an ideological monopoly but they are losing the materialist war. The consultant class will never lose their grip on American politics so long as the current regime holds. But when 90% of young people will never be able to afford a home without inherited wealth the Liberal world order is fucking doomed no matter what language they use. The only question is whether it's replaced by Communism or Fascism. Looking like the latter with how things are going but anything can happen, the American working class might grow a spine at some point.
is there a substitite term for "liberalism derangement syndrome?" 🙄
>>2682292Slave is a property while worker isnt. This distinction is probably important and has something to do with most producers today being wage workers.
>>2682308>Slave is a property while worker isntIs this true?
I seem to recall multiple times in US history where workers were gunned down for refusing to generate wealth for porky.
>>2682310Worker is social while slave is private, or something. Worker can be gunned down by anyone but slave cant be or else you pay for his life with money or something
Slavery probably doesnt scale well and is less effective with bigger numbers compared to wage workery
>>2682305it was actually the civil war (1861-65), which included early programs like "compensated emancipation" (1862) which paid union masters $10,000 (in today's money) per slave, like the earlier british program (1833), which liberated 800,000 slaves in the empire by paying masters approx. £4,000 per slave. only later in 1843 was indian slavery approached.
>>2682308the status of being property is meaningless to the pursuit of profit, which is not simply a theoretical, but empirical concern. i am saying that slaves are profitable to masters, which ought to be uncontroversial, yet its a thorn in the side of marxists.
>>2682313apparently.
>>2682315Slavery doesnt allow for porkies to compete with each other maybe?
>>2682316How does slavery disallow competition between porkies?
Human Rights Joint Committee on the Chagos
Philippe Sands: "Without this agreement, the Chagossians will never return."
February 6, 2026, 09:00
By Vashish Nuckchhed
The UK Parliament's Human Rights (Joint Committee) examined, in a one-off session on Wednesday, February 4, whether the Chagos Agreement, signed in May 2025, respects the UK's international obligations towards the Chagossian people, forcibly displaced between 1968 and 1973 for the establishment of the US military base on Diego Garcia.
Even before this parliamentary committee, experts mandated by the United Nations Human Rights Council had criticized the agreement, arguing that it did not guarantee the fundamental rights of the Chagossians, particularly the right to return to their lands. More recently, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) called on the United Kingdom and Mauritius to suspend ratification of the agreement and to engage in genuine dialogue with the Chagossians, whom they consider to be full rights holders.
It was in this context of increasing international pressure that the British parliamentary committee decided to hear from four leading experts in international law and international relations: Élodie Tranchez, Stephen Allen, Philippe Sands, a professor of international law who also served as a negotiator and legal advisor to the Mauritian government during the discussions on the Chagos Agreement, and Yuan Yi Zhu. Élodie Tranchez highlighted the scope but also the limitations of the advisory opinion issued by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in 2019. According to her, the ICJ did not conduct a " comprehensive audit" of the human rights situation of the Chagossians, but rather responded to a very specific question posed by the United Nations General Assembly, focusing on the decolonization process of Mauritius. The court itself acknowledged that it limited itself to an inter-state analysis, without fully exploring the dimension of the right to self-determination as an individual and collective human right. This distinction between "state" self-determination and "human" self-determination has permeated all the debates.
Are the Chagossians a distinct people?
Stephen Allen recalled that classical international law, in the context of decolonization, considers the right to self-determination to apply to the entire colonial unit. However, he emphasized that this approach does not preclude the recognition of distinct peoples within a state, particularly when these groups possess their own historical, cultural, and territorial identity. According to him, the Chagossians can be considered a people under international law without necessarily claiming external self-determination leading to the creation of an independent state. They can, however, claim internal self-determination, implying an effective right to political participation, consultation, and influence over decisions that directly affect their future. This interpretation aligns with the positions of the CERD, which has stressed the principle of free, prior, and informed consent as a central element in respecting the right to self-determination.
The question of the non-binding nature of the ICJ advisory opinion sparked lively debate. Yuan Yi Zhu reiterated a fundamental principle of international law: a state is legally bound by an international judicial decision only if it has consented to the court's jurisdiction in the context of a dispute. An advisory opinion, by definition, does not create a direct legal obligation for states. According to him, the 2019 opinion cannot therefore be considered a binding judgment against the United Kingdom, and the subsequent decision of the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea in a case between Mauritius and the Maldives cannot produce legal effects with respect to a third state such as the United Kingdom.
Philippe Sands, however, offered a different interpretation, emphasizing that while the advisory opinion is not legally binding in itself, it acquired considerable normative force through the resolution adopted by the United Nations General Assembly. This resolution has had concrete consequences within the UN system, notably the recognition of the Chagos Islands as an integral part of Mauritian territory in official documents and the practices of specialized agencies.lexp - 2026-02-06T074603.308.jpg(From left to right) Philippe Sands, Élodie Tranchez, Yuan Yi Zhu, and Stephen Allen, experts who testified before the Joint Committee on Human Rights regarding the United Kingdom–Mauritius agreement on the Chagos Islands.
The CERD's intervention in December 2025 was described by Élodie Tranchez as exceptional. Acting under its rapid alert and urgent action procedure, the committee determined that the agreement poses a serious risk of human rights violations against the Chagossians. While its decisions are not legally binding, they constitute authoritative interpretations of the States Parties' treaty obligations, especially since they are issued by experts elected by the States themselves. Élodie Tranchez emphasized the gravity of the CERD's action, stressing that it is extremely rare for a treaty body to explicitly request two States to suspend a ratification process, deeming the treaty incompatible with a General Assembly resolution.
Right of return
Philippe Sands reiterated that in the negotiations leading to the agreement, the continued existence of the Diego Garcia military base was a red line, but that it nonetheless allows for a gradual return to the outer islands, which he considers a realistic compromise given the geopolitical constraints. He defended a pragmatic approach, stating that "without this agreement, the Chagossians will never return," thus highlighting what he sees as the risk of a permanent blockage of the right to return. Conversely, Yuan Yi Zhu believes that this approach artificially pits security against human rights. He pointed out that previous studies, notably a report commissioned by the British government in 2014, had concluded that resettlement on the outer islands was technically and financially feasible without compromising the base's security.
The point of consensus among experts is the weakness, or even absence, of full and effective participation of the Chagossians in the negotiations. Several speakers emphasized that the Chagossian community is deeply divided and geographically dispersed between Mauritius, the United Kingdom, and the Seychelles, but that this complexity cannot justify the lack of consultation. Stephen Allen reiterated that the right to self-determination implies a right to participation and that consultation cannot be merely symbolic or occur after an agreement has been concluded. The fact that consultation mechanisms are being considered after the adoption of the text was deemed problematic in light of international standards.
Élodie Tranchez emphasized that the cultural rights of the Chagossians are inseparable from the right of return, as they include access to places of worship, cemeteries, religious practices, and traditional ways of life. She noted that several international instruments, including the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, protect these collective dimensions of identity. Yuan Yi Zhu, however, felt that the agreement gives the Chagossians only a marginal role, focusing primarily on sovereign, military, and financial arrangements. He argued that the £40 million trust fund appears paltry compared to the sums committed under the military lease and the decades of harm suffered by the community.
Several discussions highlighted the difficult relationship between the Chagossians and the Mauritian state since their forced displacement. Some experts recalled the episodes of marginalization, poverty, and repression suffered by the Chagossians upon their arrival in Mauritius, fueling a deep mistrust of the Mauritian authorities today. This mistrust partly explains the internal divisions within the Chagossian community and the strong reactions to the agreement. For some participants, the lack of clear guarantees regarding the effective implementation of the announced rights only serves to reopen old wounds.
While some experts believe the agreement represents an imperfect but necessary step forward, others consider that it risks entrenching structural inequalities in the absence of binding mechanisms for participation, return and redress.
>>2682318Idk. Maybe simple answer is that slaves made up a tiny fraction of population and simply couldnt compete with sheer volume of surplus value produced by wage workers while producing more surplus value per individual than those same wage workers.
What is the point of going through the Epstein files if you will do nothing about it?
>>2682324slaves werent a "tiny fraction" of the population, but from 1790 onwards, made up at least 10% of total US population, with a higher proportion in the south, obviously:
<There were almost 700,000 slaves in the United States in 1790. This equated to approximately 18 percent of the total population, or roughly one in six people. By 1860, the final census taken before the American Civil War, there were four million slaves in the American South (13% of total US population).https://www.statista.com/statistics/1010169/black-and-slave-population-us-1790-1880/?srsltid=AfmBOorwAn6y9qeFvWMBXjldakhD2VeKKTPwy1GVTFoNdsOCgpWJlNDg >>2682323Thanks for the admission, genocider. Hope you get a bullet between the eyes one day
>>2682332
>communism isnt about freedom
then why should i give a shit?
>>2682336you shouldn't. instead you should go back to reddit.
>>2682332
>muh socialized production
>>2682324>slaves made up a tiny fraction of populationin the actual slave mode of production, they were a majority. And in Haiti, they were a majority. In some places in South America, they were a majority.
>>2682332
Oy vey! Quit noticing the connection between Epstein and the western left you disobedient goyim!
>>2682341>harmonyright, so a relationship between high and low
glad to see you re-inventing class society
>>2682343>he thinks communism is when there’s no hierarchyNGMI
>>2682343just piss off you turboliberal wrecker moron
>>2682225>but American neo nazis went out of their way to turn it into reality just so they can say they're "right" while simultaneously promoting all their xenophobic political views as "fighting the jewish world order" to their dumb followers. That doesn't mean we have to deny reality just to spite them.There's no "ZOG" in the sense that it's being
imposed on the government. This is simply just what internationalism looks like amongst the Right wing of settler-colonial societies, and they're doing said internationalism better than the global Left right now. The Right wings of governments like the US and South Africa have to defend Israeli settler-colonialism at all costs, or else its failure could threaten to undermine their own sense of identity, bound up in racial supremacism. Any accusation of "ZOG" on the Left is a cope.
>Conservatives do this thing all the time where they start from a fucked up conclusion(illegal aliens are invading America to replace the white working class for example) and then work tirelessly to validate that conclusion(importing millions of H1B indians to replace the entire state of Texas's population) and then their retard voters go "SEEE I TOLD YOU WHITE GENOCIDE IS REAL" and then leftists shit themselves trying to explain why actually it's a good thing to replace your workforce with imported slave labor because they refuse to acknowledge the simple truth that the right-wing manufactured a crisis just so they can sell you the solution.Okay? The "solution" they sell is only compelling because the Liberal talking points are the typical bullshit of flipping everything bad into being something good; in this case, by arguing that migrant labor is good for one–and
only one–reason, which is that they do the menial and otherwise undignifying jobs that nobody else wants to do, and yet seem to be so crucial in keeping society running. We are Socialists. We should be advocating to dignify those jobs, grant those migrant laborers citizen's rights and worker's rights, and allow them to have collective self-management over those jobs. Liberals would never substantially argue for this because they tacitly accept the idea that that work should be undignifying or underpaid.
>>2682343try reading Marx
>>2682346Nah. Let Smith Anon stay. He's funny. He's a proud liberal, whereas many on here are ashamed liberals. You should have seen him in the political economy threads. He posted harder than everyone.
>>2682343lol lib desperate for a gotcha
>>2682343Suck start a shotgun, lib predditor
>>2682346>>2682344>>2682350>communism is not about freedom, its about knowing your place in a hierarchylole
>>2682348where does marx talk about "social harmony" exactly?
>>2682352Communism is the real movement to restore dignity to the working class by empowering the proletariat via party dictatorship and capture of state power. In what way are you going to achieve this without rigid discipline and everyone knowing their place?
China and America are married at the hip and will never divorce, all this shit is kayfabe. China is not an alternative to America, they ARE America.
>>2682354what place do you know? who's your boss?
>>2682354It’s actually the abolition of the working class, of labor and especially labor specialization
>>2682330Yeah we saw what the prison guard posted to 4chan way back in 2019 and the DOJ finally confirmed that guy wasn't larping or shitposting, but was a real guy who saw what he saw.
>>2682356That’s for me to know and your handlers at Langley to find out, liberal
>>2682360okay, so keep licking boots. im sure it serves you well.
>>2682331
learn to rhyme you hack
>>2682354>Communism is the real movement to abolish the present state of things (class society) - Marx
>restore dignityspooky
>to the working classi.e. the class subordinated to the bourgeoisie as long as it exists?
> by empowering the proletariatsounds good
>via party dictatorshipwhat happened to class dictatorship?
>and capture of state powerthe state will wither away I thought
> In what way are you going to achieve this without rigid discipline and everyone knowing their place?I won't dispute that discipline is needed to capture power.
>>2682362>l-le bootlickerI’m wearing the boot. I AM the boot. No licking needed
>>2682347Saying there is no zog under plays the dialectical relationship between the US and Israel.
We have open lobbying firms for Israel that change how politicians vote.
If that's not zog then idk what is
>>2682367>I AM THE BOOT pfhahahaha you’re a rando on an imageboard get over yourself
>>2682368ctrl+f "there is no zog"
only your posts appears (and now this one)
it seems you are strawmanning.
death to israel
honkoid status?
Kill all yanks and Israel will vanish.
>>2682374You’re letting Europe off the hook
>>2682365>what happened to class dictatorship?the party precedes the class you filthy democrat
>>2682376Europe is a vassal of America.
>>2682378Japan is also Amerikkkan bootlicker.
>>2682378There would be no Israel without the Balfour declaration, which was before the UK was a US vassal, if the US needs to be nuked, the rest of the Anglo sphere AT LEAST needs to go with us
Communism is a german ideology you can’t read translations of Marx reeee
>>2682347>There's no "ZOG" in the sense that it's being imposed on the government.That's a fairly strict definition of "ZOG" and falls more in line with the actual white nationalist interpretation. But Marxists don't really differentiate between the national bourgeois and the international bourgeois. ZOG cannot be "imposing" anything on the US government because they are the same. The Zionists and the current American government are the same people. To oppose Zionism is to oppose America's current system of government. They aren't being "occupied" in the same sense as say, the US occupied Iraq after killing Saddam. It's more like how South Africa was occupied by generations of settler-colonialists that took up every position of government in the country and then horded those positions with an iron fist to impose bourgeois rule over South Africans. But these SA bourgeois, while all being of european heritage, considered themselves to be South Africans, "the true owners of South Africa", despite obviously being settler-colonialists. The Zionists in American government all consider themselves to be American despite also being "occupiers" that have very little in common with the actual people they rule over and beneficiaries of generations of racial and class warfare.
If leftists were smart we'd be pushing this narrative that the "elite" are not like us, and things like the amount of zionists and millionaires in our government just highlights that we don't have actual political representation. But leftists love to argue semantics instead of winning. Israel's military is not occupying the US, but that doesn't mean our government is not 99% composed of Israeli agents that would sell out their own country to benefit Israel. Just like the White South Africans were willing to sell "their" country to benefit Europe (and Israel).
>>2682381No. You can try hard to deflect but yanks are uniquely evil.
>>2682388not wanting total anglo genocide? fake chagos poster.
brits are like 100x worse than americans. all the greed, racism, and colonialism without any good food or big booty bitches.
>>2682392chagos wears a tripcode as well
>>2682390I think the argument is ZOG is just a means to radicalize the working class Americans to the fact their government doesn't work for them. Israel/Zionism is just a convenient enemy that is easy to identify with how blatant they are in their meddling.
Obviously even if you get rid of "teh jooz" it changes very little, but personally I still want to see the destruction of Israel and a weakening of US hegemonic global order as a result of its collapse, and this narrative achieves both. We gotta pick our battles and sometimes short term tactics are still important imo.
>>2682388The only unique thing about America’s evils are its scales, everything we learned was from the UK
>>2682397>I think the argument is ZOG is just a means to radicalize the working class Americans to the fact their government doesn't work for them.right, but if it did… would it mean the end of american imperialism, or just going back to the pre-1948 form of it?
>>2682398> its scalesyou got those from the UK too. learn 2 kilogram.
>>2682400It’s only us, Liberia, and Myanmar measuring things in cups and teaspoons and gallons and feet
>>2682399It would be a significant blow to American imperialism if Israel collapsed or they somehow had a falling out with Israel. About as significant as the Sino-Soviet Split. There is no "going back" to pre-1948 imperialism lol. America is on the backfoot, and we need to take advantage of any opportunity to weaken the great satan. Creating a rift between America and Israel is an incredibly smart tactical move.
>>2682405Israel would find a new patron, Russia and the UAE mostly
>>2682404the rapist pedophile billionaire genocide orange man called the BLACK guy from THE OTHER GENOCIDE PARTY a monkey???? wow… this is just… wow…. i'm feeling lightheaded. I need to sit down. He's done so many awful things, but this…. this takes the cake.
>>2682404First thing I heard about this was a coworker defending it as not deliberately racist, lol. The incredible thing about the MAGA movement is watching it turn people I know used to be normal into retards.
>>2682405Agreed I'm not against ending Israeli influence in American politics, I'm pointing out the very same people you're proposing using this slogan to radicalize are the petty bourgeois reactionaries, the historical basis of fascism. As long as you're honest with yourself about where this is going.
>>2682404I'm not surprised, but is this any worse than anything else he's done?
>>2682411At this point Trump can put a MAP/PEDO in his bio, write "death to negroes, jews above all" and amerimutts won't do anything about it while Trump supporters do damage control "oh he was just doing a parody, he's just in character"
amerimutts are still not having a civil war
>>2682404the hilarious thing is CNN replaying it. like imagine if CNN just did panning and zooming over /pol/ memes for half an hour like "can you believe what these people said???"
>>2682404This is actually pretty funny and the liberal seethe especially so
>>2682343High and low isn't class society man. Even absent antagonism between men, even absent division of labour, there are some (wo)men who are more suited for leadership and some who are not. Unless we automated all leadership decisions to AI some people deserve to have more input into the on goings of society than the other.
>>2682412Well I kinda don't see a way out of Capitalism without some sort of nationalist element to elevate the working class through some sense of solidarity. America doesn't have a trade union base to form such solidarity, and people are more divided socially than ever. I'm not a nationalist myself, more of a pragmatist I guess, but I think there's probably utility in promoting the "working class American" mythical figure and redefining it to include minorities instead of just white guys, while excluding the bourgeois/zionists. Creating clear battle lines for the working class to unify around is the only path forward I can think of. If this gets hijacked by bad actors to lead into fascism, so be it I guess, but as things are we're headed there anyway.
>>2682420>Well I kinda don't see a way out of Capitalism without some sort of nationalist element to elevate the working class through some sense of solidarity. it's called class solidarity
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/dec/15.htm<in their fear of playing into the hands of the bourgeois nationalism of oppressed nations, people play into the hands not merely of the bourgeois but of the reactionary nationalism of the oppressor nation. - Lenin
>>2682418sounds like what we have now
not exactly a radical change of society
>>2682420so let me get this straight… reading through this conversation… your argument is that
we need to say ZOG because the american working class has no other way of understanding imperialism and we need America First nationalism to make them more against American imperialism? LOL
>>2682422Communism has nothing to do with bourgeois abstractions like “society”
>>2682421That's easy enough to say, but I don't see how we can practically develop class solidarity. American workers are the most atomized society to ever exist in human history. People are so socially isolated these days. Even getting them to connect with their neighbors is like pulling teeth, let alone connecting with their coworkers or god forbid retail workers.
>>2682425just abstractions like "harmony" i suppose
>>2682424when you put it like that it does sound retarded but I also think americans are generally pretty retarded and our politics is full of contradictions so…
>>2682427so you have to opportunistically appeal to their chauvinism and nationalism and then magically class conciousness and solidarity will emerge?
>>2682425Communism itself is an abstraction
>>2682433No dumbass. There is difference between communism the idea, which involves real principles and real, concrete steps to undertake, from communism the agitprop (a.k.a the ones where they said that you will have better sex and grow taller and speak more melodiously) the latter is abstraction, the former is not
>>2682332>socialism is about hierarchy, discipline, nation, struggle against the repulsive hedonistic individualist freaks and their "freedom"Meanwhile Marx:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/needs.htm>The less you eat, drink and buy books; the less you go to the theatre, the dance hall, the public house; the less you think, love, theorise, sing, paint, fence, etc., the more you save – the greater becomes your treasure which neither moths nor rust will devour – your capital. The less you are, the less you express your own life, the more you have, i.e., the greater is your alienated life, the greater is the store of your estranged being.>>2682422>not exactly a radical change of societyreproducing parts of the "old world" is a historical inevitability according to Marx
>sounds like what we have nowyet there is no actually existing communist society so your comparision is meaningless
>>2682435Notably at no point in this out of context attempt at a gotcha does Marx endorse the proletariat engaging in hedonistic decadence
>retards arguing about "freedom"
>don't even define it
collective freedom from class society is much more important for the health of society than individual freedom to appropriate surplus value.
>>2682435do you think all that counts as "hedonistic individualism"?
>>2682444I certainly hope you don't see it as such.
>>2682431opportunism yes. I think you have to lead them to the right path even if your methods end up being branded as "problematic" down the line. that's the entire purpose of a socialist vanguard, to know what's best for the workers and lead them. the worker doesn't need to know the long-term plans he simply wants his immediate needs met and his immediate concerns addressed. you as the communist need to take this and adapt your language and tactics to satisfy their immediate needs while simultaneously guiding them towards class consciousness.
this shit isn't achieved in a day, they aren't gonna wake up one day and decide to kill the bourgeois. you gotta start with small steps like separating the US from Israel, separating the worker from the managers, separating racists from everyone else, and then building things like public parks, soup kitchens, community housing, etc where people can feel safe in their community without the threat of rentseeker porky looming over them, knowing that these safe spaces are explicitly exclusionary to the people trying to hurt them. if we can't define the class enemies in more strict and direct terms then who are the proletariat supposed to rise up against? we need to actually develop a community, and to do that means defining who is excluded from your community. once they have a community, americans will overthrow the bourgeois out of their own sense of responsibility to that community.
>>2682441Truthnuke. Freedom in the communist context must always be understood as freedom for the group, not the individual. Men must not be slaves to other men but they must be slaves to their group. For if not they will invariably become enslaved by another after a period of being enslaved to their own passions
>>2682436>communism is not about freedom, its about knowing your place in a hierarchy. also, we dont really know what communism is, shut up.talking to you types is exhausting.
>>2682430>when you put it like that it does sound retarded but I also think americans are generally pretty retarded and our politics is full of contradictions so…maybe this is why most of the world wants to skip the part where americans do a fake reactioanry mockery of class struggle and just destroy america
>>2682437>>2682444The guy's on record ranting against homosexuality and talking about how when the revolution comes red guards will kick in everyone's doors and smash their gaming consoles
When he's talking about repulsive hedonistic freaks he's talking about things more innocuous than doing heroin
>>2682450>communism is tribalismso progressive…
>>2682441you havent defined freedom either
>>2682454Cosmopolitanism is liberalism
>>2682455>you havent defined freedom eitherbecause there's multiple kinds that are mutually exclusive, such as
>collective freedom from class societyversus
<individual freedom to profit from the labor of the working class >>2682456i'm sick of this game where bourgeois nationalists pretend their bourgeois nationalism is proletarian internationalism while simultaneously pretending proletarian internationalism is liberal cosmopolitanism. it's a rigged race to the bottom between two strawmen.
>>2682438Please read anything about communism
>>2682441>Collective freedomMarx was a man of the 19th century. This was a time where everybody thinks that there is a correct, optimal, and scientific way to live life, which we can discover by scienting hard enough. We live in the 21st century. We live in a period where we discover that there is in fact no 1 correct way of life or to create culture that we can discover by being scientific enough, and that even the scientific institutions represent less an attempt to discover objective reality than an imposition of one epistemology over the other. Dismissing the importance of individual freedoms as "bourgeois decadence" simply wont cut it anymore
>>2682456right, and communism is tribalism, as you say.
>>2682459>collective freedomand what are collectives made up of? (hard mode)
>>2682463>Dismissing the importance of individual freedoms as "bourgeois decadence" simply wont cut it anymoreI didn't do that. you're confusing me with the other retard.
>communism is an abstraction
Fucking liberal dogs.
>>2682464>and what are collectives made up of? (hard mode)individuals. was this meant to be an own? I have also on other occasions said:
>collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy, similar to the false dichotomy of authoritarian vs libertarianbut I didn't say that (yet) in this conversation because I'm dealing with low attention spans and multiple anons who were already fighting before I showed up.
>>2682466who are you quoting? is that question liberal?
imageboards: if you don't say everything you know at once, it means you didn't know any of it. but if you do say everything, complete with qualifiers, footnotes, and sources you made a TL;DR boring post that gets ignored
>>2682441The guy's literally talking about socialism has nothing to do about (individual) emancipation from class society and socialism as in favor of "restraint" and hierarchy.
>>2682450Imagine thinking there's any clear difference between group and individuals. Or are you one of those people who believe the self (ego) isn't socially constructed too and isn't tied to social relations with and to others?
>>2682470right, so maximum collective freedom means maximum individual freedom, no? so we are back to "liberal cosmopolitanism".
Emancipation is a myth, if you aren’t a slave to society you’re a slave to your own desires
>>2682466Point to physical communisn
>It's another episode of chest thumping (authoritarian) religious fanatics blabbering on about how socialism is really about (selflessly) subordinating oneself to The Collective (divine Other) against the evil hedonistic degenerates and their sinful lifestyles in the hopes of one day attaining rapture like transcendence which will end all suffering
Go to church
>>2682489The falling rate of profit.
>>2682452I mean, I'm actually serious about communism being a process, so I don't agree with the stance of being a patronizing asshole to Americans that most TW's espouse, even if they are fundamentally correct about Americans being treatlerites benefiting from imperialist exploitation and genocide. Just because your theory is right doesn't mean your methods will work. Being a dick to Americans for their politically oblivious nature might make you feel smug, but it won't achieve Communism in our lifetime. We should accept their stupidity and factor it into our strategy if we want to end the global genocide.
To be honest though, appealing to anti-zionism with ZOG talking points might be the fastest way to get Palestinian liberation, and that's personally very important to me, so I'm biased. You could just as easily use this same national-populist tactic to turn Americans against evangelical christianity or NATO or whatever if you think those are more important to US hegemony.
>>2682489right here buddy
>>2682492That isn’t physical, I can’t touch it or feel it or hear it
>>2682491Everyone here has the same idea of dialectics that Caesar does in Fallout New Vegas
>>2682489Any existing non-transactional (cooperative) mutual aid. And any existing initiative, project, organization or piece of infrastructure build or organized without concern for generating profit. See
https://davidgraeber.org/articles/communism/ >>2682332
As if Haz and ACP aren’t linked to Tulsi gabbard a literal psyops officer. I’ll give the tards some due, the left does need discipline and seriousness. It can only get that by creating institutions that can incentivize and enforce that discipline. It has nothing to do with being gay or “decadent”.
>>2682363he was going for more of a pretentious slam poetry vibe
>>2682502>David Graeber….
>>2682342>Oy veyFamous leftists: Donald Trump, Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, British Royal Family, Bill Gates, Zionist glowies, various other anti-communist billionaires and Trump admin members
>>2682491Socialism literally cannot work without subordinating oneself to The Collective. You cannot cling to your identity as a independent rootless uncommitted individual while also being a Socialist. Unwillingness to commit to participating in a mutually-beneficial system because it has "le rules and responsibilities" just means you're immature tbh.
There is no Communism where you just collect UBI and smoke weed in your basement while blasting Rage Against The Machine at 2am against the wishes of your neighbors. If you can't conform to the basic rules of communal living then you will be cast out.
<Fellas, is Communism just an HOA?? >>2682450>Truthnuke. Freedom in the communist context must always be understood as freedom for the group, not the individual.>>2682441>collective freedom from class society is much more important for the health of society than individual freedom to appropriate surplus value.the collective vs individual freedom is a false dichotomy, read Stalin:
<There is no, nor should there be, irreconcilable contrast between the individual and the collective, between the interests of the individual person and the interests of the collective. There should be no such contrast, because collectivism, socialism, does not deny, but combines individual interests with the interests of the collective. Socialism cannot abstract itself from individual interests. Socialist society alone can most fully satisfy these personal interests. More than that; socialist society alone can firmly safeguard the interests of the individual. In this sense there is no irreconcilable contrast between "individualism" and socialism. But can we deny the contrast between classes, between the propertied class, the capitalist class, and the toiling class, the proletarian class?https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1934/07/23.htmits porkies who want to submit every collective to their will that see individual freedom and collective freedom as irreconcilable
>>2682496The falling rate of profit has real, tangible effects you dummy, neoliberalism and it's reduction of social services are real and you can experience them.
>>2682513>neoliberalismngmi
>>2682515>le neoliberalism isnt le realits real and it took a lot of dead communists to make it so
>>2682511This whole idea rests on the false assumption that "the collective" and "the individual" are separable. They're not. Who we are is also tied up in those around us. Our social relations. Culture (which is not reducible any to any particular isolated individual). And so on.
Pretending this is feasible however let's some pretend they're acting on behalf on some divine Other (The Collective, The Masses, The People, etc.) which is not themselves. This is what makes groups like the ACP religious, theocratic, authoritarian and eschatological. Haz pretends that collective existence can ever be separated from the individuals who compose it. At the same time, by separating both one exist beyond interrogation; How do you counter the claim the ACP and Haz are acting on behalf of the masses? You can't. Just like you can't ask God whether they really agree with some ISIS or Evangelical fanatic. Both "The Collective" (now separated from "individuals") and God remain silent, but that doesn't prevent people from arguing they're acting on behalf of either.
>>2682519
Anti-communism was a thing before any of those people were born.
>The entire LGBTQ movement is anti-communist and tied to Epstein and billionaire jewish pedophiles
Lmao dude what the hell are you doing here?
>>2682472he's quoting nobody. he made it up
>>2682520I think the concept of the "collective" is moreso meant to dissuade anti-social behaviors from taking root in a society. particularly in anti-capitalist movements that tend to attract these anti-social individuals, we need to teach these people ideological and social discipline otherwise the movement gets overrun by socially destructive degenerates that are incapable of cooperating with others.
As you say, the interests of the individual and the interests of the collective are the same. it's in the best interest of the individual to think of what's best for the collective, and in the best interest of the collective to think of what's best for the individual. If you genuinely, sincerely, believe that blasting rock music in your neighborhood at 2am is best for the community, then argue your point in the party meetings I guess. but if you're just engaging in that behavior without thinking of the best interests of your community, then you're doing a disservice to them and should feel bad.
>>2682496Maybe if you actually had to work for a living you would understand
>>2682525Watch, next he’ll try to backtrack and say it’s not being gay itself that was invented by Jeffery Epstein just all the organizations
>>2682535I literally work in a steel factory
>>2682525The progressive stack? Idpol? Imperialism and genocide justified with both in the Obama and Biden presidencies? The thing leftypol was created to exorcise from the real movement?? The emails where Epstein admits to propagandizing children with gender idpol at an early age to encourage the creation of more TIM sex slaves???
>>2682529I think I should elaborate more: There is no such thing as "the collective" to begin with. Not even as a vague group, because none of these groups have any subjectivity separate from the individuals they're composed of. In other words; there are only ever "individuals", but the subjectivity tied to one's individuality is socially constructed and inseparable from other "individuals".
So it's not about assuming what is best for the "individual" is best for the "collective". Rather it is about realizing that what is best for others is also best for oneself, and who you are is inseparable from your social bonds to others. And if they suffer so do you. It's a perhaps subtle but important distinction.
One is and can only ever act on behalf of oneself. And there's no outside (collective) authority we can delegate our (moral) responsibility to.
Haz is arguing in bad faith because what he is saying is really about him. Yet he lacks the pride or courage to state this, so he does this entire LARP where he pretends he's the latest prophet leading a "mass movement" (him and his cult of few hundred insecure sycophants) to save "the masses" on behalf of them.
>>2682529I like how your definition of “decadence” and “degeneracy” is a teen boy smoking weed and listening to rock music. What you a 40 year old mom that teleported from the 90s? You’re reducing the meaning of those words, you know what’s actually degenerate and decadent? Eating babies on a private island. Not your weird hysteria
>>2682559Trans people were a thing 100 years ago before epstein was born. People were having homosexual relationships before anyone coined the terms capitalism.
>Communism is about fighting imperialism and genocide, it's a cosmic struggle between good and evil, including against those corrupting the youth!Go to church
>>2682559maybe there wouldn't be trans people pushed into prostitution and sex slavery if society were a bit more relaxed about gender and healthcare didn't cost 5 billion dollars per person
>>2682607Watch, next he’ll say it was exclusive to the upper classes and degenerate
>>2682607>Communism is about fighting imperialism and genocidethat part is correct doe
>There is no such thing as "the collective" to begin with. Not even as a vague group, because none of these groups have any subjectivity separate from the individuals they're composed of. In other words; there are only ever "individuals", but the subjectivity tied to one's individuality is socially constructed and inseparable from other "individuals".
welcome back margaret thatcher
>>2682559>The emails where Epstein admits to propagandizing children with gender idpol at an early age to encourage the creation of more TIM sex slaves???you're reading those wrong, it's a random guy trying to convince Epstein to invest in mtf sex slaves, and there's a fair amount of transphobic emails sent to him. In any case, it should be blatantly obvious that wanting to turn a minority into a sex slave factory is incompatible with actually recognizing their identity as 'valid' (for lack of a better term) within public life, helping them get the resources they need and integrating them into society at large, etc
although you'd be right in arguing that whatever NGOs were meant to serve that mission (and whatever other identitarian struggle) are useless at best and complicit at worst. If you want to create chaos you play both sides for the circus
>>2682654Are you also for ripping up the Autobahn?
Cuba and Vietnam are fine with sexual minorities, even in the Soviet Union and DDR the police and the party didn’t really give a shit about what consenting monogamous homos were doing privately
>>2682519
OUtside of Ghisleine Maxwell controlling r/worldnews (Which is just a shitlib zionist hellhole) and Chomsky what proofs do you have of the modern left being le-diddlers
xitter progressives are soy facing over some democrat candidate in NJ.
the USA is currently doing the Gaza strat on Cuba.
the Iran nuclear negotiations have begun. Iran are not negotiating their ballistic capabilities or support for militant groups outside Iran.
>Iran’s neighbors have proposed limiting Iran to minimal enrichment capabilities, likely 3 percent or less. That would be enough for Iran to “save face” by defying Mr. Trump’s demand of zero enrichment, they said, but would effectively amount to the same result, given it is nowhere close to the 90 percent enrichment needed for most nuclear weapons.
per the New York Times
>>2682678You mean the same blockade on Cuba we’ve had since 1961? Did the bombing campaign start?
>>2682687It’s like a casino but if it were rigged for the players, honestly I’m jealous
>>2682678I can’t keep caring about Iran. They either get nukes or they will be chipped away in till the U.S overthrows them or someone that isn’t an idiot takes charge and gets nukes.
>>2682691>playersThe players are the retail investors that get pumped and dumped on the regular. The casino is the big institutions and they almost always win. And if they lose, they make sure it never happens again.
>>2682706I thought the players were the whale and institutional investors, my mistake
>>2682678>US Issues New Warning To Americans in Iran: ‘Leave Now’ The U.S. Virtual Embassy in Iran has issued a warning to American citizens repeating advice to leave the country "now" and plan "alternative means of communication" that do not include the internet.
>But the Virtual Embassy Tehran issued another warning on Friday, which said: "U.S. citizens should expect continued internet outages, plan alternative means of communication, and, if safe to do so, consider departing Iran by land to Armenia or Türkiye.">"Leave Iran now. Have a plan for departing Iran that does not rely on U.S. government help," it adds.https://www.newsweek.com/us-issues-new-warning-to-americans-in-iran-leave-now-11474902last time this happened Israel began bombing 24hrs later
>>2682713They can’t accomplish anything by just bombing Iran but they can’t go in with ground troops because no one wants a repeat of Iraq and Afghanistan, Trump is already polling at Bush 2 numbers, this will only damage him further.
Trump truth'd a video clip portraying the Obamas as apes set to 'The Lion Sleeps Tonight'. Libs everywhere feigned surprise and outrage. It made the front page of the New York Times. lol
>>2682713Hopefully Iran fights back this time.
>>2682724i've noticed something. there's no such thing as real outrage. you're either feigning outrage, or you think it's funny and hella based. does anyone actually feel real outrage? or is it all faked?
>>2682729Everyone’s too tired from working too much to have any outrage
>>2682501Caesar understood the kernel of dialectics.
Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. He might not have grasped other aspects of it.
>>2682732To be fair, by the time you meet him in game he has an INT stat of 4 and is actively dying of brain cancer
>>2682729with all the shit that's going down in the past weeks, this is a literal nothingburger. odds are 9/10 that some genius strategist in Trumps circle came up with this shit and made him post it as distraction.
>>2682731Try explaining that to you your average burger.
It also doesn't change the fact that it is a dialectical relationship. Like base and super structure, while base ultimately dictates superstructure the US ultimately dictates Israel. However as Marxists we understand dialectics and to say Israel has no influence on the US.
We have seen concrete proof through orgs like AIPAC and networks like the Epstein blackmail operation that Israel does dictate US policy in some regards. To deny this is to deny dialectics
>>2682737Exactly the J/New York times was probably in on it to try to distract from the Zionist pedophile ring running the west including the Jimes
>>2682721Trump definitely wants to do some kind of face-saving operation so he can announce another "war" that he ended. I just don't know what it could be when the zionist wing so clearly won't be satisfied with anything less than regime change and they seem to be running out of time.
>>2682738Everyone in congress and local government is for sale and every country has a lobby, California recognizes the Armenian genocide because they have a huge Armenian diaspora and the Armenian government lobbied hard there, New York doesn’t because Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo were bought off by Turkey. Israel is just the best and has the most resources out of any lobby, a lot of it having to do with their 50s and 60s mythology our Octogenarian political class can’t see past (plucky jews fighting Soviet armed Nasser)
It seems like the chuds are coming over here to try to bring us down with them, but I really don't think the left will take much of a hit from the epstein shit, not even anarchists really because they don't read any theory at all whatsoever kek.
Maybe that helped them out in the end though, y'know what mao said about too much books.
>>2682650Thatcher was unironically right in that instance. What she didn't seem to realize is that individuals themselves are socially constructed.
>>2682738The idea Israel "controls" the US always seems to rest upon the assumption it's all blackmail and the dastardly yids are forcing pure well meaning white (protestant) christians to do things they don't agree with.
Meanwhile I've never heard any good arguments for why Israel doesn't represent an almost perfect blueprint for what the oligarchs, evangelicals and white nationalists want to turn the US into.
For Israel is what they want America to be; Unbound by international law, shamelessly racist and unilateral, expansionist, a settler colonialist regime where minorities can be genocided or reduced to second class citizenship (or less) with impunity, a state completely beholden to security, financial and industrial interests, and where the rich and other in-group members are protected but not bound by the law.
I remember white nationalists talking 10+ years ago how they want their countries to be more like Israel.
As some point you gotta realize and admit that the (US) ruling class is completely okay with what Israel represents and that they want similar at home, regardless of them also being child raping vampires.
>>2682738>To deny this is togood thing that didn't happen
>>2682479> "liberal cosmopolitanism".also a quote I didn't say. I in fact made this post:
>>2682462 in response to the guy saying that nonsense
>>2682737> post it as distraction.everything they do is a distraction from everything else allegedly. or maybe they're just assholes who revel in being assholes? maybe they know libs won't do shit and anarchists/communists are outnumbered and arguing amongst themselves.
>>2682678>xitter progressives are soy facing over some democrat candidate in NJ. The novelty comes from that candidate getting a seat in an area where a moderate shitlib would thrive in. Very wealthy and white and shit
>>2682743Eric Adams is owned by Turkey
>>2682750I think it also carries pretty big implications for the future dem primaries. Aipac's backstabbing of the moderate shows that they will accept nothing less than complete capitulation to Israel's interests. There is no middle option open for a future presidential candidate to adopt.
>>2682746It's not just blackmail it's open too with lobbying orgs
This talk of collectives and individualism warrants, I think, a reminder that collectives are not solely arbitrary labels that are gained by just consciously thinking "I'm in X collective", they're materially enforced by actual praxis within a collective. A man isn't a class conscious worker by just arbitrarily deciding he is, but by engaging in the social reproduction of working class life.
>>2682760lol
he should push the nytimes narrative that epstein was actually a russian agent
what if the mexican ICE agents deporting mexicans back to mexico have a secret mexican plan? what if sheinbaum wants the mexicans to return from exile so mexico can prepare for total burger death? ever think of that?
>>2682785i still want to know what the song from this video is. I couldn't even find it by feeding it to a "what is this song" AI. and it doesn't seem to be on the soundtrack from the hypernormalization movie. was this song made for this video and only this video?
>>2682786The song is called around the world, it's just sped up.
>>2682786>>2682793atc - around the world (la la la la la) to be exact
>>2682792i still can't believe he was on Fox News with John bolton lol
>>2682654The NSDAP seizing possible blackmail material on rivals seems like a reasonable motive to me. There is absolutely no evidence that the Nazis invented transgenderism though.
hey, CPUSANON, remember your rant on the college campus with the anti-racism course? that to you was to make you feel bad of being white?
and instead of doing constructive critiques to the lib in charge to make a more decent approach, you went on a tirade here?
yes, remember?
here, enjoy the results:
>>2682814>>2682332How about you stop being spooked by rebranded christian morality and rebranded fascist talking points.
Haz hates homosexuals and has been on record saying he does. Haz is a retarded streamer doing provocative shit like that on twitter for clout, he is a spoiled rich-boy and hasn't accomplished shit. He just wants people to be as miserable as him.
>>2682435 and
>>2682453is right and quoted Marx correctly.
>>2682332Democrat socialism never works is basic Communist Thought.
>>2682435The bourgeoisie does all of those things. The proletarians are denied luxury. That is why Communists say down with bourgeois degeneracy and parasitism
>>2682800>>2682795Man I miss Cumtown.
>>2682729>there's no such thing as real outrageread what baudrillard says about watergate
Treatlerite shityanks love applying the Marx quotes about enjoying life and that's it
To them, Marx said nothing else, nothing about proletarian revolution.
The yank is a lying, greedy, egoistical, self-obsessed cockroach. Alien to dignity and honour. To these words, they hit back 'moralism' and 'spooks'. The yank dismisses any act against imperialism as 'voluntarism', but the voluntarism of his lumpen boyfriends work very well in raping and looting the world to further fatten the yank baboons mayo ass.
The yank is closer to a rat-gremlin mongrel, not a human.
>>2682816I got Trump elected? Neato, didn't know I had that power.
>>2682828Literally this.
>hecking marx quote justifies stealing coffee beanerino!!!!!!!! Less you steal pess you live.This is true for imperialists nonetheless
>>2682828>Alien to dignity and honour.Ah yes, honour, the 5 letter word for which countless millions of men and women killed.
>>2682829who said anything about getting trump elected.
fuck, talking to average american is like talking to an american exceptionalist. nothing is ever wrong. nothing is a learning process, nothing is a step back or notch down. no introspection, self-reflection or self-awareness.
and worst part is, trump will be just only the beginning and with all of that full inaction.
>>2682832Still lacking 340million more to the kill count.
>>2682833You bitched like Trump being a racist is somehow my fault. Not my fault you're retarded man.
>>2682323Not gonna work bibi
>>2682833The yank animal has to win da debaaaayte. That is all that matters. Every yank is Destiny. Any honest introspection is verboten, that is seen as 'derailing da thread, ruining da discourse'.
>>2682839He knows very well that it will work. The yank bloodsucker will keep the billions flowing to his genocidal machine. He knows very well he has the blessings of the yank
no matter what. Netanyahu understands that there is no communist force in Amerikkka to oppose Zionism. A yank is a Zionist, and much worse.
>>2682828>YankPolish actually
>MayoNot according to Haitian revolutionaries…
>>2682836It is your fault.
You are a member of the Communist Party of the USA. You can be a member of any other party anx be meek, indifferent and focus on vidyagaymes. But the Communist Party is supposed to be
the party of a new type. The Communist Party is supposed to be the
vanguard. Considering that you are fine with the impotence of the Joe Sims clique, and you maintain your membership of this party, yes, you are responsible for Trump.
There is no shame for a feeble minded pro-imperialist to join the DNC. Why the need to cosplay as a communist?
>>2682843Hahaha I can't see straight
My sides
>>2682846Kill Tusk, realise Endecja, polako. I don't give a shit that the Haitians exempted the Polaks from the anti-white treatment back then. I am focused on the year 2026.
>>2682832Better to die for honor of the proles than to die filling bourgeois gob of amerikan swine who quotes marx to justify imperialist parasitism
>>2682848Where is the lie?
>>2682851I thought you were joking. My bad.
>>2682836you made public a rant, on a leftist imageboard, on how your fee-fees were attacked because you were told that racism is bad. I can only fathom how you behave in public when anti-racist discourses approach to you.
you are part of a system, and you either go against it, or you go with it. and the choices were presented an elected by dubya.
you decided the latter with that rant.
that's my reproach to you.
learn, change, be a better person.
>>2682816>hey, RANDOM PERSON ON IMAGEBOARD, le MONKEY TWEET? it's your fault. what… what? you don't agree with me. exceptionalist!!!!!why do you care about that person? why are you trying to get through to them? debate doesn't work. do you still believe in le marketplace of idealism?
>>2682854>you made public a rantWasn't a rant.
>on a leftist imageboard,Who cares?
>on how your fee-fees were attacked because you were told that racism is bad.Never said that.
>I can only fathom how you behave in public when anti-racist discourses approach to you.Completely unrelated
>you are part of a system, and you either go against it, or you go with it.Has nothing to do with anything you mentioned previously.
>and the choices were presented an elected by dubya.So I got Bush elected now?
>that's my reproach to you.Your reproach is confused whining, you have zero point in any of this. You said the results of me posting on leftypol is Trump calling the Obamas monkeys, you're a retard.
>learn, change, be a better person.Objectively I'd say I'm a better person than you.
>>2682854I hate to defend G(glow)PUSAnon but radlibs like you are the far-right's strongest soldiers
>>2682858Oh careful, by posting that, the next time Trump says something offensive it'll be your fault.
>>2682858You dont know the real story. Cpusanon said nbernie lost because of blacks. Cpusa is against reparation. Cpusa says amerikans do not need to be reformed. Cpusa always says the right appeals to him more. One cannot ve further right
>>2682862>care about this individual's posts from years agono
>>2682855>why do you care about that person?because:
>1) he is on the largest communist party that there is in the US. >2) he's an individual reflection of that party and vice-versa.>3) we now have this >>2682814 as a result of many decades of party failures yes, the US state ran many counter-insurgence programs, psyops, and other shitty things, therefore, the criticism is necessary.I don't do it for the sakes of being pedantic or without a point.
>>2682857wow, you are malding, not getting any of the points, and showing more of that exceptionalism.
good job, buddy.
>>2682862No CPUSAnon said that Bernie lost because of black boomers voted against their own interests by electing Biden because they are easily swayed by their pastors and "community leaders" to vote for the democratic establishment so said pastors and "Community Leaders" can keep their jobs and the money flowing without actually changing anything to make the black community's lives better.
>>2682864america is a country built on genocide and slavery. CPUSA as a party is a flea on america's ass, let alone this random retard on the board. get your priorities straight dumbass.
>>2682866who cares. these retards will keep making shit up. it's irrelevant. they just want the thread to be about a random individual. they were backwards bumping the whole board earlier today.
>>2682862>>2682866How would reparations work under socialism ?
Would it happen during the transitional period when cash is still used?
>>2682870nobody knows. it's all wishcasting and purity testing.
>>2682870Yanks of all ethnicities (+foreigners working on yank land) will pay reparations to the rest of the world.
If only Biden had won. We would be living in communism…
>>2682872>You claimed that the results of me posting on leftypol was Trump being racistno, I said initially that you must enjoy the results of trump.
you
_concluded on your own merits: "the results of me posting on leftypol was Trump being racist"
that's on you, the conclusion is on you. not me. if you want to assume that, it may be a freudian slip on your own.
I carefully explained what I am reproaching you:
>you are part of a system, and you either go against it, or you go with it.ranting your fee-fees on a anti-racist course, because it made your whiteness insecure is being part of the system.
didn't understand the dubya part? is not my fault that you are a political illiterate when it comes to what the US ruling class imposes on everyone with the
either with us, or against us.
and yes, you ranted. you want to say now that you didn't. I was that day there, I saw the post.
Okay here's j.e.'s sent emails…
https://www.jmail.world/sentHe can't spell. Look at the list he sent himself for Bannon just before his arrest and death. In the recordings of him and ehood bawk it's obvious he can't spell. And Bill Barr's dad gave j.e. his first teaching job, an illiterate who can't spell. I smell a rat.
>>2682873Correct
>>2682870Reparation and restitution is taken, not given. 40 acres and one mule or cash equivalent is first step. euroamerikans to be reformed by expropriation and gulags.
>>2682871Wrong. The nazis paid reparation and restitution so amerikans will also
>>2682881he said in his interview he didn't believe in literacy
>>2682867I am not nihilistic, cynical or doomer. I don't go around in silence when things must be better.
>>2682883Wow, so he was capable of telling the truth? That's something his buddy d.t. can only do by accident.
>>2682878>no, I said initially that you must enjoy the results of trump.>you _concluded on your own merits: "the results of me posting on leftypol was Trump being racist"Here's what you actually posted since you like lying it seems.
>>2682816>here, enjoy the results:You were saying that these were the results of my posting on leftypol, because you're a retard.
>ranting your fee-fees on a anti-racist course, because it made your whiteness insecure is being part of the system.<"You're not allowed to talk about cringe liberal professors, you have to smile and nod to resist the system!"
>didn't understand the dubya part? is not my fault that you are a political illiterate when it comes to what the US ruling class imposes on everyone with the either with us, or against us.No, I didn't understand it because you have trouble with English and just threw in "Dubya" randomly. For one you start a sentence with "and" while not making any relation to your previous point.
>you want to say now that you didn't.I mean right now between the two of us I'd say you're ranting incoherently, I've just explained myself.
>yank chauvinists being a pedant about English language instead of addressing the point
>>2682893You're ignoring the "readability" part at the bottom man. You can't convey your ideas clearly through text, what you write is simply clipped sentences brimming with butthurt.
Changing the subject, CPUSAnon how is your job ? Meet any schizos lately ?
>>2682886you're yapping about a person who doesn't matter. your head is on backwards and up your ass.
>>2682883Oops, I just checked. He wasn't excusing himself, he wanted to deny it to others. I didn't listen to all of it since I can't take Bannon. As for the list, I see a lot of overlap of bohemian grove figures with royalty and primarily 'western' elites.
Here it is:
mandelson, barnaby summers watson, axel bottstein. karim terje, pritzker edelman. set lloyd, martin novak minsky, tata susskind, strominger krauss, hopkins. randall, kosslyn, gardner gates, thiel. hoffman, hoie sinofsky, sheldrake, suzlberger. jes staley, joscha bach, joi ito. . HBJ berge, miro, anas raafat, sultan, nathan feigenbaum, ramashandran, goelberg. demasio, shristakas brockman hillis, kaufman, seligman. gould, saks, john kery, george mitchell, mandelbbrot. chomsky, barrack barak, zagat, nathan, brian greene, yau, eo wilson, prince andrews, jagland, clinton pastrana, richardson, leahy, jarecki, schumer, ranieri, waheed, mongolia, gambat ehud, jacque lang woody, churkin, sergey, ruemmler, weingarten, amabani, rochsild, dersh, ken starrk karp, , dubai castro, pople queen, pres king pm, mandelson balir, , mette, , midlefafrt; gergen, . melusine margarita ovitz. barrak, mabuto, kashoogi, rockefeller, .
>>2682908nah, that anon's right. don't fool yourself. The EU commission VP Josep Borrell famously said "We rely on China for cheap commodities, Russia for cheap energy, and America for security." Then he called the entire rest of the world a jungle and Europe a garden
>>2682909Glad you admit it
>>2682908Yep, the old royal trading companies are in deep, they just restructured in a way to allow remote control.
>>2682315>picLook at all those hppy ppl, bro
>>2682908>Europewere they though? France was up for it, UK parliament said no, don't remember what the Germs were up to?
>>2682906Mate it literally says at the bottom of your second pic “you can start a sentence with and if it improves the readability of your writing.”
>>2682903Not too much to talk about. Got my raise, management has been consistently pointing out I get positive customer feedback and I’m easy enough to review. Been hitting up some of my coworkers worried about ICE raids and telling them if they need someone to call their family or bail them out or anything I’m there for them; kind of mentally preparing myself that if an ICE agent publicly walks into my line I’ll refuse service, if they conduct a raid I’ll try to leave the back room open for my coworkers to get out. I haven’t heard any news about them walking into a Trader Joe’s but it’s only a matter of time; they’ve been reportedly harassing street vendors near some of our stores.
As for Schizos we’ve got an old Trump Boomer with a lazy eye who’s been talking about how cocaine used to be so much better in the 80s. Had some lady that was likely on something spend five minutes growling like a dog by our front entrance.
>>2682908France is definitively more obsessed with Africa.
>>2682905>you're yapping about a person who doesn't matter.yes and?
>your head is on backwards and up your ass.and that's your problem because…?
>>2682918>were they though? France was up for it, Yes. They were the ones that were funding the rebels before anything popped off. They were the first ones to bomb Libya.
>On March 19, 2011, France became the first nation to launch military strikes in Libya, initiating air operations against Muammar Gaddafi’s forces near Benghazi ahead of a broader coalition. Led by President Sarkozy, this marked the start of Opération Harmattan, preceding NATO's full interventionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Harmattan
>Nicolas Sarkozy, former President of France, has been sentenced to five years in prison for criminal conspiracy related to the illegal financing of his 2007 presidential campaign by the Libyan regime of Muammar Gaddafi. This verdict, delivered on September 25, 2025, marks the first time in French history — and particularly since the establishment of the Fifth Republic — that a former president has been sentenced to serve actual prison time.
>In 2010, a WikiLeaks cable exposed allegations that Gabon’s long-time president, Omar Bongo, had secretly funneled embezzled state funds to French political parties, including those associated with Sarkozy. A year later, Robert Bourgi, a lawyer and adviser with close ties to both Jacques Chirac and Dominique de Villepin, claimed that several African leaders had handed over briefcases filled with cash to French presidents — and that when he later worked with Sarkozy, similar arrangements were discussed. The recurrence of such scandals shows that Sarkozy’s dealings with Libya were not an aberration but part of a deeper pattern — one where African wealth and politics have long been exploited to sustain France’s own domestic power games.
>These precedents reveal that French foreign policy decision-making is deeply tainted by corruption, with particularly damaging consequences for distant states, especially in Africa. When “foreign policy” becomes entangled with opaque financial dealings and private arrangements, decisions are no longer guided by national interest or international law but by personal gain — becoming transactional, often with devastating consequences.
>This is not merely a case of domestic corruption or judicial accountability; it reflects a systemic problem that undermines the credibility of the French state on the global stage. It exposes how a country that publicly champions democracy, rule of law and human rights can, in practice, be vulnerable to bribery and manipulation. The consequences are not abstract: they materialize in wars, regime changes, and shattered societies across Africa, where millions ultimately bear the cost of decisions made in Paris’ dark corridors of power.
<In the case of Libya, many analysts argue that Sarkozy had personal motivations for intervention, beyond France’s broader strategic interest in maintaining influence over North and West Africa: the late Gaddafi was seen by France as an increasing threat to its traditional dominance in parts of Africa. For years, the late Libyan leader was challenging France’s policies through his independent political and economic vision. Across Africa and beyond, the 2011 intervention is increasingly seen as a pretext for regime change, driven both by Paris’s desire to distance itself from prior political entanglements and by Sarkozy’s personal ambitions, while simultaneously asserting French dominance over post–Arab Spring Libya. >>2682933Yes we've said france, and the Europeans?
>>2682923>The Irish and Italians were always considered whitePffft lmao
>>2682292>but where does the value come from?it's a monopoly rent, not profit. slave holders monopolize the labor-power of slaves. the value transferred to the slave holder in exchanging the surplus product of slave labor is extracted from surplus value generated elsewhere by "free" labor.
>>2682933Yank scum always deflecting.
>>2682937yeah white identity politics requires so much fucking cope and revisionism lol
>>2682950I read that in king assripper's voice.
>>2682950Texas is a violent shithole full of fat people.
It's funny cuz it's true. But this fatass made death row worse for everyone. I would've asked for blueberries and yogurt with a half cup of granola. Wouldn't want to go to the afterlife irregular.
>>2682950i may live in yankland but i shall never be a yank. i am a stranger in my own land. a mutt among mutts.
>>2682957>stranger in my own landMost of us are
>>2682960I don't disagree
What the fuck is trumprx. Is he getting a kickback on this shlock?
>>2682964he used his campaign as a crypto rugpull, so… probably LOL
>>2682964Idk but nothing is law unless it passes congress.
Sure it's a diversion like the tariff or doge rebates and other such lies.
>>2682909what if we expanded this. what if we weren't just againt ZOG and nazis, but also against abrahamic religion in general, capitalism, and imperialism… I call it… communism!
>>2682937Funny enough I learned that Columbus Day was kind of an apology to the government of Italy and Irish-Americans after apparently one of the most brutal series of lynchings happened in New Orleans. Like it was White and Black Americans lynching a bunch of Italians and they celebrated it in the news 'cause "Italians were bringing crime", it was so horrifying that the government of Italy basically closed its embassy and refused to do diplomacy with the U.S. for a while.
>>2682343Based and true, good job triggering the class collaborator cucks
>>2682975Two tier democracy
>>2682936https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/128/128797_LIBYA_INTERVENTION.pdf>Distinct interests sparked the European involvement in Libya. The United Kingdom and France have issued vociferous calls for intervention in Libya for the past month, ultimately managing to convince the rest of Europe — with some notable exceptions — to join in military action, the Arab League to offer its initial support, and global powers China and Russia to abstain from voting at the U.N. Security Council.
>U.S. President Barack Obama said March 21 that the leadership of the U.S.-European coalition against Libya would be transitioned to the European allies “in a matter of days.” While the United States would retain the lead during Operation Odyssey Dawn — intended to incapacitate Tripoli’s command and control, stationary air defenses and airfields — Obama explained that Odyssey Dawn would create the “conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council resolution.” While Obama pointed out that the U.S.-European intervention in Libya is very much Europe’s war, French nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R91) and Italian aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi (551) arrived in waters near Libya, giving Europeans a valuable asset from which to increase European air sortie generation rates and time on station
<UK
>London has not been as aggressive about pushing for the Libya intervention as France, but it still has been at the forefront of the coalition. For the United Kingdom, the domestic political component is not as strong as its energy interests.
>British Prime Minister David Cameron’s government initially came under strong criticism for being slow to evacuate British nationals from Libya. Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister and leader of the coalition Liberal Democratic Party, was on a ski vacation in Switzerland when the crisis in Libya began and later told a reporter he “forgot” he was running the country while Cameron was on a trip to the Persian Gulf states. Later, the rebels seized a Special Air Service diplomatic security team, dispatched on a diplomatic mission to establish contact with anti-Gadhafi forces in eastern Libya, because they did not announce their presence in the country.
>London has another significant interest, namely, energy. British energy major BP has no production in Libya, although it agreed with Tripoli to drill onshore and offshore wells under a $1 billion deal signed in 2007. The negotiations on these concessions were drawn out but were finalized after the Scottish government decided to release convicted Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi on humanitarian grounds in August 2009. He was expected to die of prostate cancer within months of his release but presumably is still alive in Tripoli. The Labour government in power at the time came under heavy criticism for al-Megrahi’s release. British media speculated, not entirely unfairly, that the decision represented an effort to kick-start BP’s production in Libya and smooth relations between London and Tripoli. BP announced in 2009 that it planned to invest $20 billion in Libyan oil production over the next 20 years.
>The May 2010 Macondo well disaster in the Gulf of Mexico has made BP’s — and London’s — Libya strategy even more urgent. The United States accounted for a quarter of BP’s total hydrocarbon production in 2010. The disaster cost BP $17.7 billion worth of losses in 2010, and the company also has had to set up a $20 billion compensation fund. Estimates of potential further spill-related costs range between $38 billion and $60 billion, making BP’s future in the United States uncertain. The disaster also allowed BP’s competitors to complain about its potential future offshore operations, something Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini stressed, arguing that until the investigation into the Macondo well disaster is completed, BP should refrain from drilling off Libya’s shore in the Mediterranean Sea. The complaint was more than likely an attempt by ENI to complicate BP’s Libya operations by questioning its environmental record in North America
>Ultimately, London could gain the most by the removal of Gadhafi or winning the allegiance of a rebel- controlled government in some kind of semi-independent state in eastern Libya. With no oil production in Libya and arms sales that lag those of France and Italy by a considerable margin, the United Kingdom could substantially benefit from new leadership in Tripoli or even just Benghazi.
<Part 2: Italy
>Italian jets operating over Libya on March 22 managed to jam Libyan air defense radar networks “without firing a single shot,” according to an Italian Air Force announcement. That Italy emphasized its abstention from opening fire on Libyan forces is not coincidental; it is part of Rome’s strategy of hedging its role in the Libyan intervention — being involved in the ongoing U.S.-European intervention in Libya without actually attacking the troops of its once close ally, Moammar Gadhafi.
>Italy has far “more to lose,” STRATFOR’s Italian sources keep stressing, than anyone else involved in the U.S.-European coalition. Italy’s business, energy and national security interests are directly impacted by the fate of Libya.
>For this reason, Italy sought to hedge its policy toward Gadhafi throughout the run-up to the intervention. Rome initially took a line very close to that of Tripoli, with Frattini voicing concerns Feb. 21 over the “self-proclamation of the so-called Islamic Emirate of Benghazi,” echoing a statement from Gadhafi’s son, Seif al-Islam, issued the previous day to describe the rebels in eastern Libya
>While Italy now supports the coalition against Gadhafi, offering the use of seven Italian airbases to coalition aircraft and having the Italian air force conduct patrols over Libyan airspace, Rome continues to hedge its policy. Frattini on March 21 said Italy would have to resume control of its airbases, thus hinting it would kick out foreign troops, if some sort of NATO coordination structure were not agreed upon (an agreement on a NATO coordination structure was reached by March 28)
>In fact, despite participating in the intervention, Rome has gone as far as to emphasize that its jets operating over Libya had managed to jam Libyan air defense radar networks “without firing a single shot,” according to an Italian Air Force announcement on March 22. Rome’s insistence that it is both part of the intervention and has abstained from playing an aggressive role against Gadhafi is a strategy intended to allow Italy to continue to balance the rebels in the east with Gadhafi in the west of the country. Rome simply has too many interests in Libya to pick one side and stick with it
>NATO command-and-control structures are important to Rome, which does not want the Libyan intervention to remain a Paris-London affair when the United States withdraws from leading the operations, leaving Italy’s energy and security interests at the mercy of two countries looking to gain the upper hand in a post-Gadhafi Libya
>This explains Rome’s reluctance to allow France to lead a command structure concurrent with NATO’s. Rome simply does not trust Paris or London, both of whom have plenty of reasons to expand energy and business interests once rebels grateful to both for leading the charge in Libya assume power in the eastern part of the country. Rebel leaders themselves have stressed that economic ties “will be calibrated to reflect the support that the various European countries have offered the grasroots uprising,” as the Libyan National Transition Council Deputy Chairman Hafiz al-Ghogha said in a response to a question what is in store in the future for Italy’s business and energy interests in Libya. These sort of statements are what Rome fears the most. As a response, the press in Italy has claimed that Rome was seeking an official NATO role in the intervention so as to prevent French-U.K. “activism.” In fact, one can directly draw a parallel between the competing interests of Italy, France and the United Kingdom in the intervention in Libya today with the competing interests of the three during the colonial 19th-century Scramble for Africa
<Germany
>In the run-up to the election, however, Berlin was not taking any chances with the intervention in Libya. This was especially true for German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, who is also the leader of the Free Democratic Party (FDP), the CDU’s governing coalition partner. Reports in the German media — from Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and Der Spiegel — following the U.N. vote even suggested that Westerwelle sought to vote “no” on Resolution 1973 but decided against it after consultations with Merkel.
>The decision to stay away from the intervention has brought criticism against Merkel both domestically and internationally. It is difficult to argue that it hurt the CDU in state elections, however. According to various recent polls, between 56 and 65 percent of the German population supported Berlin’s decision not to participate in the intervention. That said, a majority of Germans — 62 percent — favored an intervention in general terms. This means the German public approves of military action in Libya so long as Germany does not participate. Berlin’s decision perfectly tracked this sentiment, keeping German forces out of military action in Libya but facilitating NATO’s participation by offering to send airborne warning and control system crews to Afghanistan so Western forces could make more resources available for the Libyan theater.
<Spain
>Spanish Foreign Minister Trinidad Jimenez said March 29 that the option of exile is still available to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi since he has not been charged with any crimes. Madrid has therefore backed Rome’s position that exile should be an option to end the conflict in Libya. Spain is participating in the international coalition by providing airbases for U.S. AWACS and refueling missions. It also has sent four F-18 fighter jets and a refueling aircraft as part of its contribution to enforce the no-fly zone, along with an Aegis-capable frigate and a submarine to participate in the enforcement of the arms embargo.
>The Spanish decision to intervene in Libya has not garnered much attention in the global press. However, it stands out as Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s most notable foreign policy decision, one made only weeks after being elected, involved pulling Spanish troops out of Iraq in April 2004. The Iraq pullout strained Madrid’s relations with Washington, as the U.S. perceived it as hasty and pandering to public opinion panicked by the Madrid train bombings, which took place immediately before March 2004 general elections. In reality, Rodriguez Zapatero had campaigned throughout 2004 on an anti-Iraq War platform and thus used the Madrid attack merely as a trigger for a decision he probably would have made regardless
>The decision to intervene in Libya can thus be seen as a way to revitalize Spain’s image as a country capable of international activism when the need arises — especially in the Mediterranean, its area of national interest — but also as a last-ditch effort by an unpopular government to raise its profile ahead of elections in early 2012 >>2682975So the actual event took place in 1891 and resulted in the deaths of 11 Italian Immigrants, what spurred it was the murder of a police chief in New Orleans by an Italian gangster. People were whipped into a frenzy and even local papers got in on plotting out the lynching in advance:
>Rise, people of New Orleans! Alien hands of oath-bound assassins have set the blot of a martyr's blood upon your vaunted civilization! Your laws, in the very Temple of Justice, have been bought off, and suborners have caused to be turned loose upon your streets the midnight murderers of David C. Hennessy, in whose premature grave the very majesty of our American law lies buried with his mangled corpse—the corpse of him who in life was the representative, the conservator of your peace and dignity. It was bad enough that the Italian Consul in New Orleans tried to get the government to stop it before it happened but the governor deferred to the mayor who was basically eating breakfast and ignoring everything. A crowd of White and Black Orleaners were chanting shit like "Give us the Dagoes."
Wildly enough one of the victims of the lynching was a White Supremacist Italian-American named Joseph Macheca who led roving bands of Sicilians to beat Black people and fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War. One of the men committing the Lynching was a mixed-race African-American who fought in the civil war for the Union.
The politics of the whole fiasco is almost like that meme of the South Park flag brought to life.
>>2682923is this white juche?
>>2682923>people get through the interview then admit they want to bring their Columbian wifeL O L
>>2682950bruh was tryna buy time with that meal LMFAO
>>2682970Sure but can't we start with anti-Zionism as a base to radicalize the working class against an entity that very obviously is acting against their interests? Maybe then we can escalate to being against all abrahamic religion, and from there build a genuine American movement to destroy American imperialism.
Oh wait you're just trying to prevent anything from being done because no starting point is sufficient for you. You don't actually want to build Communism huh.
>>2682900Yankee speak is poison to the tongue and rot to the brain. There is no syntax more bpurgeois than the euroamerikan for here the proletarians speak their own languages. Revolution means the bourgeois euroamerikan english will be proletarianized and simplified to boost literacy like Chinese. First Nation Afrikan Aztlán peoples kick the settler euroamerikans back to the sea, outlaw bourgeois english and codify ebonic spanish and native languages, making this euroamerikan speak superfluous
>>2682992no. you can't. why? because me, the most important person in the world, on leftypol. told you so. definitely don't go out and and do that. that would be very bad. I am personally stopping you. you are chained to my desk.
>>2682993you speak it so good though
>>2682993hopefully your trolling. cause your sakaispeak is very tiresome and tedious to read.
>>2682992If ZOG was the basis to destroy American imperialism the CIA would not have come up with it
amerifags doing nothing despite being under attack part 895
>>2682998we're doing a billion things. that's the problem. we need to be doing 1 thing, together. instead we're doing a billion things, divided.
wait, so bitcoin started crashing days after the epstein leaks revealed he invested early on the core team?
makes u think……
>>2682993Just say you want to kill all whites bruh
>>2682997We already established that the right-wing loves to create a conspiracy theory and then work backwards to validate it as true. They created "ZOG" so they could then spend the next 80 years propping up Zionism and selling out their country while simultaneously encouraging "free thinkers" to believe their favorite right-wing leader is being blackmailed or forced to support Zionism through some kind of illuminati conspiracy instead of just plain old corruption and greed. The Jews are a convenient enemy for the right-wing to blame for the fact all their politicians are working against their interests. But that doesn't mean Zionism doesn't dominate American politics and shouldn't be combated. It just means ZOG and Zionism are a weapon of the far-right to normalize political corruption through a racial lens. The average American is already a believer in ZOG, the fact you deny it just makes your job that much harder. I advocate just saying "yeah, we are ruled over by zionists, so maybe we should do something about it?" Instead of wasting your time explaining to normies that "ZOG isn't le real Israel is actually a US puppet don't believe your eyes goy" maybe we should appreciate a good opportunity to agitate when we see one.
>>2682992Sure but can't we start with anti-nationalism as a base to radicalize the working class against an entity that very obviously is acting against their interests?
Maybe then we can escalate to being against all religion, and from there build a genuine Proletarian movement to destroy the global dictatorship of the the Market.
Oh wait you're just trying to prevent anything from being done because no starting point is sufficient for you. You don't actually want to build Communism huh.
>>2683005>Sure but can't we start with anti-nationalism as a base to radicalize the working class against an entity that very obviously is acting against their interests?I mean you're more than welcome to do that if you can formulate a good argument to the average normie for nationalism being the blame for all their economic woes. Blaming ZOG is much easier since it's in your face literally any time you turn on the news.
>>2683003(I mean they are actually blackmailing trump that's the whole point of Epstein)
>>2682983>>2682972There are a lot of moments in U.S. history like that.
Bacons rebellion had white and black people collaborating because the government told them to stop slaughtering Indians in Virginia. It’s honestly kind of fucked that the rare times white and black people get along it’s to do some horrible shit to another outsider group.
>>2683006>Blaming ZOG is much easierMaybe in [current time current place] blaming X nation or ethnic group might be easier to rally a crowd but it's not a sound foundation for a communist movement.
>>2682997www.nli.org.il/en/newspapers/cgs/1951/10/18/01/article/13
Forrestal Diaries Reveal Late Secretary s Rabid Anti-Zionism , Disregard For U . S . Jews
<New York , ( JTA)—Publication this week of extracts of the diaries kept by the late James Forrestal as Secretary of Defense revealed part of the story of the bitter fight within the United States Government on Palestine policy during the crucial days during which the United Nations was debating the fate of the Holy Land . Forrestal
>The diaries disclose that Forrestal was intensely active in the question, and his activities, according to Walter Millis and E. S. Duffield, editors of the diaries, sprang from his sense of the immense strategic significance of the Middle East. They took the form of seeking to lift the Jewish-Palestine question out of politics.
>That James V. Forrestal felt intensely on the Palestine question is shown in his diaries. He complained bitterly that Democratic Party policy on the issue was dictated by the fact that Jews were large contributors to the party campaign funds, and he went so far as to charge that the Zionists were putting their Palestine interest above the security of the United States.
<Funds in Question
>In a diary notation of Sept. 4, Forrestal reported that Postmaster General Hannegan had raised the question of President Truman making a statement of policy on Palestine with reference to the entry of 150,000 Jews into Palestine. He quoted Hannegan as saying he didn’t want to press for a decision but wanted to point out that such a statement would have a very great influence and great effect on the raising of funds for the Democratic National Committee.
>Forrestal replied to this, according to the diary extracts, that the President’s remarks on Palestine of a year ago did not have the anticipated effect in the New York election. (It was added) that the President was prompted to make the statement by Rabbi (Abba Hillel) Silver, who was neither a Democrat nor friendly to Truman, and that the net effect of the President’s observation was to make the British exceedingly angry.
>Forrestal also went directly to President Truman on the issue, the diaries disclose, but found the President skeptical. He told Senator (now Attorney General) McGrath that the Palestine-Jewish question was similar to the Eire-Irish question of 40 years ago, and that neither should be permitted to have any substantial influence on American policy.
>According to the editors, Forrestal derived several points from the McGrath conversation, chief of which was that Jewish sources were responsible for a substantial part of the contributions to the Democratic National Committee, and many of these were made with a distinct idea on the part of the givers that they will have the opportunity to express their views and have them seriously considered on such questions as the present Palestine question.
<Notes Dissatisfaction
>He also noted Jewish dissatisfaction with the American attempts to secure support for the Palestine partition resolution in the U.N. General Assembly, and added that this was precisely what the State Department wanted to avoid; that we had gone a very long way, indeed, in supporting partition, and that proselytizing for votes and support would add to the already serious alienation of Arabian good will.
>After the General Assembly had voted for partition, Forrestal noted a conversation with the then Under Secretary of State Robert A. Lovett, whom he quoted as saying that he had never in his life been subject to as much pressure as he had been in the three days prior to the General Assembly vote. He said that Herbert Bayard Swope and Robert Nathan had been among those who had importuned him. He added that the zeal and activity of the Jews had almost resulted in defeating the objectives they were after.
>Under date of Feb. 3, 1948, Forrestal noted a meeting with Franklin D. Roosevelt, Jr., in which the Defense Secretary charged the Zionists with subordinating the national security of the United States.
>“I was forced to repeat to him what I said to Sen. McGrath in response to the latter’s observation that our failure to go along with the Zionists might lose the states of New York, Pennsylvania and California—that I thought that it was about time that somebody should pay some consideration to whether we might not lose the United States,” the diary noted.That's a dope quote.
He tried to save America from the Zionists and then he didn't kill himself under mysterious circumstances.
>>2683007Even if Trump weren't being blackmailed I don't think his politics would differ much. He's so easily influenced that even North Korea was able to bribe him.
>>2683009Correct, it's just reactionary populism, but building a movement requires taking advantage of every shift in the news cycle to promote your ideas as often as possible. If normies are talking about the Epstein files 24/7 we need to come up with a coherent pipeline to get them from "Epstein and all our leaders are pedophiles" to "Communism is the only solution." We could try multiple different approaches and just see what works.
>>2683010>>2682997Zionism was actually quite unpopular among the US security establishment for a long time. A list of people who opposed US support for Israel includes George Marshall, Henry Kissinger, Alan Dulles, and Zbrignew Brezinski. Generally speaking pressure to support Israel came from congress and was opposed by the Pentagon and CIA who saw it as detrimental to American interests. They already had plenty of compliant, pro-Western, anti-communist regimes in the region (Turkey, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and later Egypt) willing to host American troops and otherwise cooperate. Israel by contrast was a rabid dog that alienated other US allies and doesn't even host American bases.
>we need to come up with a coherent pipeline to get them from "Epstein and all our leaders are pedophiles" to "Communism is the only solution." We could try multiple different approaches and just see what works.
How about: Epstein would have had no material leverage with which to coerce those girls if money and private property were not a factor in society
>>2683015that pipeline exists. it's called de-dollarization, re-industrialization, re-proletarianization.
>>2683012>Generally speaking pressure to support Israel came from congress It's all about the Benjamins. But now they have grabbed our security state too.
>The Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA) is dedicated to educating Congressional, military and civilian national security decision-makers on American defense and strategic interests, primarily in the Middle East, the cornerstone of which is a robust U.S.-Israeli security cooperation. JINSA believes that a strong American military and national security posture is the best guarantor of peace and the survival of our values and civilization.
>The Jewish Institute for National Security of America (JINSA) is dedicated to advancing U.S. national security interests in the Middle East, of which a critical pillar is a robust U.S.-Israel security relationship. JINSA believes that Israel is the most capable and critical U.S. security partner in the 21st century and that a strong America is the best guarantor of Western civilization.>JINSA advances its mission by conducting both educational programs that build ties among American, Israeli and other Middle Eastern partner military leaders, along with in-depth research and actionable recommendations to influence U.S. policy.https://jinsa.org/about/Like our entire military is on their payroll.
>>2683017>re-proletarianizationumm yikes no thanks I would prefer to abolish my class condition
>>2683015Does the average politically illiterate American even know how to conceptualize a society without money and private property? Can you dumb this down a bit more to something easily digestible?
>>2683021Sharing is caring babe <3
>>2683023its fine because liberals will beat them with the power of sunshine and friendship!!
>>2683020you won't get proletarian revolution in the USA until the very large petty bourgeoisie gets re-proletarianized.
>>2683023Epstein was just another booj. It's hegemonic. Especially the whole Media/Talent/Entertainment industry. Globally.
>>2683024>its fine because liberals will beat them with the power of sunshine and friendship!!i've found the real problem with libs isn't that they're nonviolent, but that they're legalist. they'll complain about some war because it's "unconstitutional" or they'll talk about getting donald trump executed "for treason"
it's always couched in this legal language. I'm talking about rank and file libs, not elected officials
zohran has thrown the striking nurses of NY under the bus. fell for it again for the democratic socialists
>>2683027>until the very large petty bourgeoisie gets re-proletarianized.okay, so considering how that is the exponential tendency and specific need of global capital… Do nothing, Win.
>>2683031This about him endorsing Hogul? Maybe that's why he scrunches his face all the time, it's all the holding his nose he's doing.
https://x.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/2019416869565001898>The governor and I do not agree on everything. We have real differences, particularly when it comes to taxation of the wealthiest, at a moment defined by profound income inequality. I continue to believe that the wealthiest among us can afford to pay just a little bit more.
>But for too long, our politics has been defined by a familiar cycle: big promises, bitter fights, and little tangible progress. This stagnation has taken a toll. People are struggling to afford childcare, housing, and public transit. They are tired of being told to wait while they are crushed by an affordability crisis that drives out the very people who built this city. And they are rightfully demanding change.
>Those of us entrusted with the sacred oath of service must heed that call and work together to honor it. That requires not the absence of disagreement but the presence of trust. We must be able to disagree honestly while still delivering for the people we serve. Over the past six months, Governor Hochul and I have done exactly that.
>This experience matters because the challenges ahead are real. New York City faces budget hardships, an affordability crisis that rages on, and an urgent need for government to deliver. The temptation is to allow difference to turn into distrust. But over the course of our relationship, I have come to trust Governor Hochul as someone willing to engage in an honest dialogue that leads to results. As we face threats from Washington, she has defended our social safety net and protected funding for critical infrastructure projects.
>At its best, the Democratic Party has been a big tent not because it avoids conflict but because it channels conflict toward progress. A party united not by conformity but by a commitment to structural change—and to the work required to achieve it. I’ve seen a model of what that can look like in my collaboration with Governor Hochul: a relationship built on candor, a shared commitment to government that is equal parts competent and trustworthy, and results that working people can feel in their day-to-day lives.
>The success of our movement will be defined by the success of our government.
>New Yorkers deserve leaders who believe in transformation. Leaders who understand that hope is inspired by a vision, and sustained by change. Governor Kathy Hochul has earned my endorsement because she has chosen to govern in that spirit. And in this moment, that choice matters. >honest dialogue
why are liberals obsessed with this
>>2683018is dat sum OC? nice one, anon
>>2683034>Governor Kathy Hochul has earned my endorsement because she has chosen to govern in that spirit. xdddd
just be honest and open about how dirty politics is and how you have to trade favors to survive instead of writing this buttigiegslop
>>2683043I would kill for him to post the threatening phone calls he gets in the middle of the night from Chuck Schumer.
>>2683062who is leftypol and when did he say that sequence of word you attributed to him
>>2683062no talk about da jooz all you want, just don't pretend you're doing anything other than feeding into petty bourgeois grievances about the ruling class not being from the same race/religion as them.
>>2683073>the ruling class not being from the same race/religion as them.this is literally relevant though. it was a fundamental part of South African anti-apartheid activism.
>>2683055
I'm not saying "just let it go". I'm saying let's be conscious that Epstein was neither an outlier nor the final boss. Let's recognize that the only way to stop systematic sexual coercion on the global scale is is to liquidate the global bourgeoisie and make sure they can never respawn in any location.
>>2683078realistically nuking Israel would be the largest blow to the global pedo cabal you could possibly achieve with a single nuke.
>>2683078 (me)
>the global bourgeoisiethis means not only the globohomo bourgeoisie but the local, national bourgeosie, on a global scale
>>2683082Lol the comments.
<What about YOUR pedophile rapists?!?That Ed Buck story was a wild one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Buck>Edward Bernard Peter Buck (né Buckmelter; born August 24, 1954) is an American convicted felon and political donor to the Democratic Party, notably Hillary Clinton, Adam Schiff, and Ted Lieu. Olive Garden cook kills self by dunking head into searing hot deep fryer
>>2683074south africa was an independence struggle from boers. america is still a settler colony that needs to be destroyed even after gaining independence. don't compare them.
>>2683086Aren't we all being occupied by the international bourgeois?
>>2683079realistically nukes are anti-proletarian and also keep your dirty hands off my wholesome heckin anti-ziorino Israeli anarchopunk QTs who directly support and coordinate with Palestinian proles to build class unity.
>>2683090I am allied with Gaza though.
>>2683092prove, it waffentwerp
>>2683094why do you think i'm advocating demolishing the US-Israel relationship?
>>2683075One of the few based things to come out of musk
The only bad thing is he put it behind a paywall
>>2683097>The only bad thing is he put it behind a paywallThe story of the bourgeois MO smh
>>2682993American English will prolly merge with American Spanish and there will be some Amero-Spanglish language. I think Spanish should already be taught along English anyways. That’ll accelerate the creation of a continental culture and pan-Americanism. And eventually north and South America will become one super state.
>>2683038Honestly, I think good faith ought to be an explicit criterium in all debate in the future, but what liberals want is the
appearance of good faith, the formalism, and in that they ironically only make debate worse and favorable to bad faith actors.
>>2683091You skipped the part where he said that the labour aristocracy is a small minority of workers and refers to labour leaders and social democratic politicians.
>>2683103you got so triggered by seeing that image that you didn't even realize that anon was fighting some guy who wanted to make "ZOG" the basis of class struggle in the USA. fuckin jumped the gun you little natguard.
>>2683083his victims were black so nobody cares and everyone forgot about him.
>>2682950This blatantly didn't happen
>>2683101Inter-class good faith is for democucks
>>2683100English is already a half-latin language. Spanglish és imbécil y féo.
>I think Spanish should already be taught along English anywaysIsn't it the main option in HS?
>And eventually north and South America will become one super state.How will they get around Central America? Or can they be included too?
>>2683109>Inter-class good faith is for democucksThe thing is, enforcing good faith would foce reactoids to state their true, heinous selves.
>>2683110Iunno I think it's pretty cool
how do we know the files aren't ai generated?
>>2683053
Chinese people can be pretty racist, they say some wild shit about black people on rednote. They aren’t violently racist though, and of course not all of them. But it’s funny, leftychads stay winning and principled. Rightiods destroyed the Soviet Union and now the world is ran by a cabal of international billionaires that eat babies. Some them Jewish too oh my.
>>2682993Reported for /pol/ drivel
>>2683118chinese may be racist but they also believe in mutual development instead of enslaving non-chinese. the mass immigration debate going on in the US is just capitalism pitting proles against eachother. China figured out you can help the third world without importing them into your country.
>>2683109>>2683112Sorry, the future world language is terminally online newspeak like lethalitymaxxing diddy blud 67
>>2683126Dude don’t speak that shit into existence
>>2683085This comrade was the modern proletarian equivalent of the self-immolating tibean monk. Not for some cucked nationalism but as a protest against capitalist alienation. F.
>>2683133Shame on you.
>>2683127Nick Fuentes is one of the rare ones who speaks openly, not out of courage but to more strongly move the Overton window. We laugh now, but that was the same background as Hitler himself: a failson who never concealed his views on anything.
>>2683148>That's it. Not the heckin pupperinos. Trump has gone too far.Still excessive for a puppy though, it has a broken rib. These guys are just equal opportunity thugs and sadists. At least they didn't shoot it this time.
>>2683151
the idea of them being sent home on a small boat that won't make it across the atlantic is way funnier tbh
>>2683156No, it's fucked up, just laughing about how that's considered the ultimate level of depravity.
>>2683149>Black guy in boatC'mon Squanto. We didn't want any of this shit
>>2683149>>2682150>>2683104Reported for ethnic cleansing apologism
>>2683168I'm just a Buffalo Soldier
In the heart of America
Stolen from Africa, brought to America
Said he was fighting on arrival
Fighting for survival
Said he was a Buffalo Soldier
Win the war for America
>>2683148Chuds will be on code and suddenly switch up saying that animal cruelty is based
>>2683174That puppy was no angel. ICE saved him from being eaten by Haitians and he has the nerve to attack our brave law enforcement?
challenge
how do you make a form of socialism that praises the american founding fathers without over glorifying them
>>2683105Yeah I don't care. Sakaism and third worldism is so retarded and reactionary that it might as well be ZOG nazoid shit. It should be confronted always.
>>2683184Is it more informative than reading Zinn or at least at his level?
>>2683178>a form of socialism that praises the american founding fathersYou don't. Might as well be asking how to turn snow into fire.
>>2683184because socialism eventually gets more "national". All of the aes rehablitated certain historical figures in the past. So Im wondering how american socialism will do this
>>2683189I mean the russian and chinese revolutions somehow did it regarding their past.
>>2683192>socialism eventually gets more "national" 😂 this is your brain on AES
https://apnews.com/article/dicamba-maha-epa-pesticide-crops-f848ea4d3684d1dd152eed6fda22dcffTrump administration approves weed killer dicamba for two common genetically modified crops>Environmental groups said dicamba drift has damaged immense acreage, devastating vegetable farms, trees and other critical plants. “When push comes to shove, this administration is willing to bend over backward to appease the pesticide industry, regardless of the consequences to public health or the environment,” said Nathan Donley, environmental health science director at the nonprofit Center for Biological Diversity.Reposting from Newsanon's thread. Trust the soyence types are quick to defend GMO because they believe in that better living through chemistry ad-line and also because they view the anti-GMO people to be "tinfoil" types, but remember the reason they GM crops is so they can use more herbicides on them without killing them.
>>2683178The only salvagable Founding Father is Thomas Paine.
>>2683178Do what China did with Mao and Stalin. Praise good things that they did and criticize their failures and mistakes. As others have pointed out though, I don't think there's too much to salvage.
>>2682769Epstein, according to Global North media:
>radical left>anti-zionist>Muslim>Russian spy>Anti-Clinton/Trump/[insert innocent politician here]Epstein, according to Global South media:
>Zionist supremacist, fucking around with all the elites in the West, very likely Mossad agentAnti-multipolarista bros, how do you explain this?
>>2683223I mean you posted the relevant nuance. They may not discriminate by age and sex but they discriminate by class and alignment on racism.
from: me
to: me
ur really funny and sexy haha just thought u shld kno
>>2683239
Why does your nation produce these wretched personalities
Are there chemicals in the water
>>2683238an anon theorized that he sent emails to himself when he was talking to Ghislaine because she had access to his emails. makes the most sense to me.
>>2683241so if they were sharing pws did he have access to her reddit account?
>>2683241Yeah I heard that too, makes sense. Curious as to why these idiots didn't just solely use messaging aps for this shit
>>2683242Probably, and she was a mod of /r/worldnews and a bunch of other geopolitics subs. Who wants to bet most of her account's mod history was deleting any news critical of Israel?
>>2683239Fuentes' audience isn't old enough to vote
>>2683240>Are there chemicals in the waterYes
Call me conspiracy brained but the rollout on the files seems like they’re trying to induce schizophrenia the way you would use a strob light on a photosensitive epileptic
From a materialist perspective all humans are highly comparable to apes.
>>2682923There's a lot to comment on in this video but I think the most revealing thing (which I didn't see anywhere ITT sadly, or in the youtube comments) is that they are using the LLC form of the corporation to get around the civil rights act, but also a lot of these schmucks who move out here are basically broke and are living as serfs on this LLC land and paying surplus labor. They're using racism to retvrn to feudalism. Besides the on the nose stuff like the scottish highland games and swordfighting and christianity and neoplatonism, the philosopher guy who runs the place is clearly interested in franchising, and has a more eloquent and cloaked way of expressing his racist ideas than the rank and file there. You have the rank and file there saying things like deport and kill and so on, but the philosopher guy, who praised hitler, is more couched in his language and careful when asked about specifics like red lining. So he clearly is the brains of the operation even though he is also a kooky racist retard who believes in atlantis and shit, he is jockeying to be these people's feudal lord. They are his serfs. He even oversees the "courtship" of the young couple.
>>2683248>It really shows where we are right nowwe're committing genocide. this is not even a cherry on top of a genocide sundae, but a flea on the ass of a dog on a log in a bog.
>>2683252Bernie gave her his AIDS
>>2683258>we're committing genocide. this is not even a cherry on top of a genocide sundae, but a flea on the ass of a dog on a log in a bog.Exactly, it just shows the the media focuses on whatever
>>2682404obamna
>olivia julianna as a swine>unintentional AI trump/bibi face morph at the endkinda funny
Revolution status?
>>2683270I could not find the full video, this sucks, does he just post these for his 60-something retired supporters or something because this is just self-glaze
>>2683270I think maybe this whole "humanity" thing is due for a performance review. Like maybe God should give us some sort of Performance Improvement Plan, and if we can't get it together after that, we might have to be "let go"
can I get a thread summary?
>>2683295epstein did 9/11, hillary's a lizard and trump is bombing iran tonight
>>2683239I like how people say the Democratic Party is dying, and then it defies all historical logic by getting cranked up two years later because the non-party opposition are just a bunch of lazy internet cranks.
>>2683300lmao
>>2683258>>2683248Yeah I don’t even think this is the most racist thing trumps done or said. Also his racism is like one of the least evil and disturbing things about him at this point. He was prolly cracking open infants and slurping their spinal fluid on epsteins jet. But you know if this is what wakes people up then alright.
>>2683235
>Disproportionately Jewish
Disproportionately to what population? It was an international cabal of world leaders and capitalist from over the world. Are we comparing the cabal to the world’s population? Then it was Disproportionately white too, didn’t see many black and Asian people in the files. There were some but not proportional to the global population.
>>2683062Who willl lock who up? Do they think the pedophile cabal that runs bourgeois society will arrest itself? It seems that way.
>>2683260Nobodies got AIDS
This shit about Bill Clinton saying he'll only testify about Epstein if it's a public hearing, which he knows Trump and the rest of them won't agree to. It's all so fucking obvious.
>>2683283>does he just post these for his 60-something retired supporters or somethingyes, dude you should see white trump supporters in their 60s and 70s. they are lobotomized like tablet toddlers at this point. They literally are mesmirized by retarded AI memes. My father in law watches garbage like this all day. We thought it was bad when he was hooked on Tucker 10 years ago but now it's just even shorter attention span stuff like this.
>>2683178>how do you make a form of socialism that praises the american founding fathers without over glorifying themWell, we don't really need to praise them, besides maybe the genuine, early egalitarians like Thomas Paine and Benjamin Banneker. We can hand it to them accepting Enlightenment ideas just enough that other people and movements throughout US history were inspired by those ideas in ways that have expressly worked in spite of the undemocratic features of the US' government. Ultimately, though, we should demand a whole new (Socialist) republic with a new constitution.
I get that this is far easier said than done, since the US Left is still struggling to come to terms with doing things outside the bounds of lawAnd we shouldn't feel cynical to just simply pick and choose parts of the current Constitution that we like. Conservative think tanks like the Federalist have been itching to dismantle the 14th Amendment (the amendment that defines what a citizen even is; yes, we didn't have that written into law until after the Civil War) for the explicit purpose of being able to pick and choose who can enjoy the first 10 Amendments (the Bill of Rights). Why not demand a new constitution that has citizenship baked into it from the get-go, as well as enshrine the primacy of worker's self-managed councils as the basic economic unit? Hell, we should consider picking and choosing voting rights in a way where capital-owning property owners can't vote unless they proletarianize themselves?
https://thefederalist.com/2025/07/02/not-everyone-with-u-s-citizenship-is-actually-an-american/ Marx and engels never called it it the "american revolution" btw, just a rebellion. it was given a revolutionary status later by america simps
>>2683412uhm they are talking about wine ashkually
leftychud btfo
>>2683342Fuck I think I remember that, one of the only points he caved
>>2683297>Trump's bombing Iran tonightPermanent blue balls
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