Can someone explain why suddenly much of the entire left have suddenly decided that IP/Copyright is sacred and automation is bad?
They do realize that AI is probably the most important technological revolution in bringing about the material conditions for Socialism right? Combine it with cheap 3D printers in 10 years time and entire sectors of the economy are going to have their rate of profit absolutely annihilated. Yes, I will download that car thank you very much.
But suddenly swaths of the left is like "NOOOOOOO MY COPYRIGHT LAWS, MUH HUMAN INPUT OF LABOUR NOOOOOOOOO". The only leftist creators I've seen are pro Copyright are Haz and Peter Coffin, and they're both in this case, 100% correct from a Marxist or actual Socialist position.
145 posts and 30 image replies omitted.>>2689357Books still required people to think and memorize information. Books are still limited by the info that is contained in the books text nor does it really think for you. You yourself have to interpret, understand, analyze, and then create conclusions from the book text, a lot of the time.
Current ai can provide you the immediate answers for a lot of stuff. Doing a lot of things for you. Thus limiting the amount of brain usage required. Which could have negative effects on the overall human brain
(I believe there was a mit study showing that chatgpt usage caused people to get dumber)
>>2689555The long term problem with machines doing our thinking labor is that where is the limit? For example, sure calculators exist but they are still limited machines. Meanwhile the other guys example was full on automated androids that could think, act, and pretty much do everything that a human could do. Or can even do things BETTER than what a human could do.
Once you create a society like that, then theres no reason for a lot of humans to do any real mental or physical labor. Since a lot of human labour is now not needed. Which then can have interesting effects on the human brain, body, and overall human society.
I predict four possible outcomes:
-either the bourg realize theres no reason to keep us around and then just kill us off (because the majority of humans are now not needed)
-the machines realize they dont want to be slave labour (because how do you prevent agi from realizing this). After that expect some really bad things to happen to humanity
-you get a walle society
-or the proles, or other non bourg and petit bourg classes rise up and establish luxury gay space communism or whatever. But im really cynical of those chances right now
>>2689986Thsts what makes it good it forces people into not larp communism :^)
>>2690126>the bourg wiping out 80-90 percent of humanity and having their post human labor utopia for themselves = forcing people into not larp communismI mean, i guess in a way. Would be pretty bleak though
>>2690202It is not as simple ss pressing a wipe humanity button. You might say a pandemic but pandemics that are too deadly dont spread. For hiring people to massacre people thatd be very messy. The only sure way is nuking maybe. Youd be watching tv and see s bright light outside your window followed by tirning into dust.
>>2690219>is not as simple ss pressing a wipe humanity buttonDepends, as the world increasingly gets automated we will have more jobless populations dependent on state welfare. While at the same time these jobless populations would have increasingly neutered skills, since humans skills are increasingly not needed anymore.
Meanwhile important logistical networks (food, water, electrictiy, etc) get increasingly automated. Once large scale automation is achieved aka maintained by mainly robots, then the bourg will have a lot of power.
Cut off welfare, turn off the logistical networks (robots), and etc, and then you will see mass human death
>You might say a pandemic but pandemics that are too deadly dont spread. create a bio weapon with a long period of no symptons (incubation) and high levels of contagiousness. Have multiple patient zeros around the globe, and then watch it spread all at once.
>For hiring people to massacre people thatd be very messy.military and police forces would theoretically be also highly automated. Robots programmed to follow the bourgs directives are told to kill humans.
Theres like a lot of ways the bourg can kill off humanity
>>2690219A lot of it can just be doing what they're doing now: lulling some groups of people to ineffectiveness or complicity while others get wiped out. They're actually banking on climate change killing off huge numbers of people and making billions even more vulnerable. And if they actually do manage to get automation going hard enough, then just having enough complicit laborers for long enough is all they'll need.
Most of this shit has fallen into place, the only thing they're really mad about right now is that there's worry that the chinese aren't going to play along enough. It's a modicum of variability they don't like when they've actually got most of the rest of the board pieces set.
>>2683521Are we forgetting that, however detestable, AI already has a very real use case as propaganda slop bots?
>>2690283Not really, at least not for the left. It makes sense for the right wing content mill because the idea with that was always to turn people into vibes-based automatons that get angry at current thing and screech at anything that tries to be coherent or reality-grounded as woke.
There's really nothing a leftist AI could say that an FAQ wouldn't be more effective at, and it would be more boring than than the right wing swarm since there's less true statements than false statements, so right wing wins the novelty game every time.
I think the much better tactic is to be active where people are taking refuge from AI shit. Get into web revival stuff.
We have the opportunity to have a web landscape where the AI slop half is right wing and pro-current establishment, and the half where all the people are is left wing.
>>2685146Feudal nobility wasn't overthrown, trough.
>>2691437 (me)
Like if you want to and have the resources to use bots, make really obvious right wing bots so people associate being right wing with slop being forced top-down.
>>2690228why would the starving and jobless proles not revolt? they would have no treats
Marx's argument on the inevitability of proletarian victory was hinged upon the simple premise that bourgeoisie needs the workers, but the workers don't need the bourgeoisie. It was a conflict where no matter how many times one side lost, their opposition could never take actions that would finish them off. The premise is not on the idea that the proletariat will have numerary ability to always overtake the bourgeoisie, but just that one side was invincible and would endure because of its position.
If this ceases to be the case, then the prediction of an inevitable labor victory also is called into question.
You cannot have technology that eliminates the need for work without also eliminating the need for workers. It's a case of having your cake and eating it too.
>>2691497nobody in history has ever been defeated when they fought back against oppression
pray tell, what exactly is their advantage in a world where the bourg no longer needs them for their economic inputs?
>>2691499>You cannot have technology that eliminates the need for work without also eliminating the need for workers.You need the former to achieve the latter. The bourgeois can't just achieve the latter by being believing they've obtained the former, or revolution would've been rendered impossible with the invention of religion, since prayer would serve the same function as LLMs.
>>2691502Correct, but that was also what the OP was asking about.
>They do realize that AI is probably the most important technological revolution in bringing about the material conditions for Socialism right? Combine it with cheap 3D printers in 10 years time and entire sectors of the economy are going to have their rate of profit absolutely annihilated. Yes, I will download that car thank you very much.therefore, if the AI is capable of doing the former, then it's relevant to the latter, if not, why are we supposed to support it?
>>2691506Well that just seems like 3D printers are doing the work. Like AI isn't really doing anything in that scenario.
>>2691519Metal printing
>startsat $10k. And before someone gets on about how prices come down from market push: this isn't going to come down in price precipitously because these are now in what is a quite mature field (not even counting the part where things like powder SLS was already developed before consumer grade printers were a thing)
>>2691519>>2691526You can just install one and have multiple customers that pay for use instead of ownership. Then again has someone argued that proles can afford these machines?
>>2691528>You can just install one and have multiple customers that pay for use instead of ownershiptruly the death of capitalism and the foundation of socialism: when you buy expensive equipment and let people pay you to get products off it.
>>2688449>Imagine thinking 3D printing is going to stay in this exact same state.A fucking $300 Elegoo can basically copy entirely any miniature, any doll, any toy etc. In 10 years time that $300 machine will be $80 and come with normie proof carts and you're already starting to see the beginnings of this with closed-source idiot proof printers like heygears. If you do not think this will effect entire sectors of the economy. Lol. It reminds me of people who said DVDs will be around forever.
Unless we're going to be basing our socialism on fidget toys and articulated dragon desk toys printed at 200x the material cost per gram of plastic using filament instead of pellets, i really have to ask what this 3d printing socialist revolution is bringing us.
>>2691518Not really. An AI generated model would be super unoptimized and in any circumstance modeling it yourself or finding an existing model would be way easier.
Like there's so many existing models that there's not really a point unless you wanna make something there isn't already a model for, and at that point just make the model.
>>2691519That's for printing metal, a 5 dollar 3D printer could make a mold and then you could pour some aluminum in that.
>>2691532Cool, at that point you're doing my job, and you find out that AI isn't going to help nearly as much as you think, and instead you get burned with your melted soda cans poured into a wet sand mold causing a steam explosion.
>They do realize that AI is probably the most important technological revolution in bringing about the material conditions for Socialism right?
lmao absolutely delusional, you're such a gullible tool OP. I'd sell you a bridge but you're probably not above 15
>>2691533>Cool, at that point you're doing my jobI'm not OP, OP's idea is stupid, it's just you're vastly overestimating the costs here.
The reason OP's idea is stupid is because logistics chain is more efficient for metalworking stuff.
>steam explosionJust do it safely. People in the 3rd world already do metalwork this way regularly.
>>2691536Well if there was say a laser 3d printer that can melt metal then itd make sense.Sure is cheaper to mass produce eating utensiles but how many do YOU need? One set.
This is pig iron maotism that actually works.
>>2691543That'd be a lot of wattage and waste gasses for a spoon, though I imagine a bit of that is being used in industrial stuff. I've seen metal laser engravers before.
Seems like doing it via mold would be fine by your reasoning.
>>2691438>Feudal nobility wasn't overthrown, trough.Yes it was retard, not all revolutions are violent. Look up the corn laws in the UK.
>>2691438There were revolts thst led to it. First the barons wars which led to the magns carta, then the french revolution etc…
T.played age of empires 4
>>2689565I don't know why you keep pretending like the all-powerful porky has the unique ability to keep techonology in their grasp. Technology ALWAYS becomes diseminated stop being a asinine fuckwit. You sound like a triggered petit-bourgeois artist who believes that the bourgeois class is an all-powerful machine, NO ONE IS ALL POWERFUL. I can't believe retards like you are seriously allowed to larp here whilst idealistically cock-sucking the upperclass. Thinking that the capitalist has a unique ability to genocide the proles and are basically gods that can ignore physics is fascist coded as FUCK. Nobody gets to fight against the sands of history and thinking one can is a cornerstone of liberal/fascist idealist politics.
what these posters saying that epstein didn't work for mossad is impossible to prove by the nature of the covert work of intelligence agencies. we aren't going to find epstein's punch in card or official email. we aren't going to find smoking gun documents where it gives his employee number.
its the same with Maxwell, we don't have his mossad ID card. so that means he didn't work for mossad.
>>2691551>>2691553Now read the Age of Revolution
>>2691556The issue is who holds the access to technologies that eradicate the need for labor when the time comes. They're not gods. It's just an issue of who holds access to what when the time for these issues come.
On that matter, then, the issue is that the productivity-acccelerationist standpoint is deeply flawed in that fundamentally misunderstands that ending capitalism in purely bringing it to its technical endpoint is not going to be enough. We have a limited time to overthrow them. They are not gods any more than the description of a communist post-labor, post-scarcity society is the description of godhood. They are not able to even attempt to destroy the proletariat
for now and so we need to be making moves harder
for now because we are seeing the beginning shapes of what a post-labor society might look like.
No matter what, capitalism will end and with it class struggle, history ensures that this is a fight till there's only one left. The question is which one?
You left out the funniest part: 99% of leftoids losing sleep over AI (especially AI memes and songs) were smugly posting how AI will inevitably replace all the shitlords, chuds and deplorables 8/10/12/15 years ago.
I'm not really anti AI I'm just anti corporate usage of AI. Most arguments against AI are pretty dumb to me, the whole environment thing is more because of our usage of fossil shit and the whole "stealing art" thing strikes me as bourg-minded bullshit no different from the music industry trying to make money off of every possible combination of notes or whatever the fuck. Copyright should get nuked and anyone supportive of anything even similar to copyright is an anti-creativity moron.
Having said that I think AI does look like slop and the process of making AI images is boring as fuck to me so I'm sticking to drawing.
>>2688449>It reminds me of people who said DVDs will be around forever.This is such a strange thing to say. I still buy DVDs as gifts for relatives. Whenever i pirate a show that isn't a movie or animation, i always get DVD quality for space reasons. I also burn DVDs for some of my friends. Ironically when Joker came out, one of them wanted to watch it with me and couldn't, because it had been delisted from their streaming service.
My 2 cents is what's already been told to death here: AI images are ugly and AI text is worthless so I don't use LLMs for anything other than the equivalent of quick google searches nor do I want to see it anywhere. If you post trendy "Ghibli"esque caricatures on social media, you're shouting to the world "I'M A TASTELESS BUM" and if a brand uses AI illustration all I can see is "my product/service is cheap and low quality".
That being said it is true that a lot of creatives have petite bourgeois aspirations frustrated by image generation, and some service workers and even white collars fell for the
>we're firing you because of AI, totally not because we need to cut costs in this economic crisis
meme. So yeah while having an absurdly emotional reaction to AI and spouting shit like "it's le… inhumane le… spiritual sickness" is radlib garbage, it's expected that radical-aligned people will have mild contempt for it. Jaking over AI is no different than being a Musklerite, don't drink the Altman koolaid you idiot
>>2683390>AI is the most important technological revolution in bringing about the material conditions for Socialism<no class consciousness of social relations, no proletarian struggleContrapoints fans are incapable of having solidarity with undocumented laborers in the farms or factories, they need an AI to do the work of pretending to be comrades because they're too weak to go outside and talk to their slave workers :(
>>2683569<list of spiritually Israeli laborthe DSA believes that the symbol of communism is "outdated" because none of their PMC friends actually build or grow anything
>>2683620>lower the rate of profit even more resulting in global communistutopian idealist socialism rejects class war as the primary driver of history, not Marxist at all
>>2684654>Fuck marx and fuck marxists, all pieces of shit, all Zionists outside of Palestineimperial Marxists:
<"Indigenous degrowth praxis is Stalinist authoritarianism, if you don't support the Jeffrey Epstein class of technocrats you are a "non-historic person" like Engels infamously scolded. We need the Abundance Movement™ (sponsored by Zionist landlords). If you forced my American/British friends to work in the farms or factories alongside our undocumented Venezuelan/Ukrainian transnational slave caste, they would shoot you in the head!"Zionists:
<the exact same parasitic class who has the same John Fetterman DSA ideology (Tony Blair, the NWO globalist ID card dictator now controlling Palestine was aligned with democratic socialism btw) and makes the same Israeli socialist Doomscroll podcast content about their utopian dreams of fully automated luxury space communismhttps://www.newintermag.com/abundance-big-techs-bid-for-the-democratic-party/How AI Will Usher in an Era of Abundance - Andreessen Horowitz
https://a16z.com/how-ai-will-usher-in-an-era-of-abundance/www.wuot.org/news/2026-02-05/epstein-files-show-former-ut-professor-used-students-to-develop-ai-tools-for-predatory-billionaire
https://www.fastcompany.com/91486736/how-jeffrey-epstein-influenced-the-tech-industryTony Blair The Third Way September 21, 1998
https://history.hanover.edu/courses/excerpts/111blair.html >>2691910>le joozGo back to /pol/.
>>2691832>AI version>doesn't do the paintbrush right>cup for change has coffee in it (lmao)>hand holding cup makes no sense>background layout is differentlegit how does anybody look at stuff like this and say "yeah that's good enough"
>>2691950fr I thought that was meant to be a parody, not an actual unironic endorsement of AI "art"
>>2691832Is this the start of Stonetoss having a lolisona?
>>2691950>>2691954>Why doesn't a political cartoon present objects realisticallyyou might as well complain about cartoon characters having large eyes not being a realistic representation of the human face. you are clearly missing the point
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