/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2698924

Picture this; An unmarked car stops you at 2 a.m., four plainclothes officers step out and, without any articulated probable cause, immediately seize and rifle through the cardboard box of political pamphlets sitting openly in your vehicle, branding them “dangerous propaganda” on the spot to establish an ideological frame on you. They then interrogate you aggressively about your now-deceased friend who died in a sketchy "suicide", pressing whether he was planning to “hurt white people” a racially charged, inflammatory projection that has no basis in anything you know of his character or actions. This was not genuine investigation; it was deliberate narrative construction, the planting of a seed meant to justify escalation, to linger in your mind and get you to crack, and to poison any future perception of you or your friend circle.

Almost immediately afterward, during the search that follows this late night stop on a dark north st louis road, police retrieve 10 grams of cocaine material you have never seen, never purchased, never possessed, and yet somehow materializes in your car. The timing alone is damning; narcotics appear precisely in the wake of ideological probing, allowing the encounter to shift seamlessly from potential political harassment into a straightforward felony drug charge, one that carries far less evidentiary burden and far greater punitive consequences than any overt charge of vocal subversion ever would.

Bail is set at an astronomical level, wildly disproportionate to the alleged quantity. Your lawyer uncovers that the Department of Justice itself reached out to the court, asserting without a shred of publicly verifiable evidence that you were a national flight risk and a gang member with “connections all over the country.” When pressed for substantiation, and FOIA the feds invoke the standard wall of silence; neither confirm nor deny, related to ongoing investigations. This federal intervention turns what might have remained a local misdemeanor or low-level felony into a matter treated as a security concern, guaranteeing prolonged pretrial detention, financial devastation, and in their heads a stigmatizing label that follows you into every future organizing space.

This is precisely what happened on the night of my arrest in 2015.

>>2698939
Yeah, cops planting coke is such a well known phenomenon it is even a trope I would say. I think I got on some kind of radars for sure but and investigation would reveal me to be a nobody who does nothing but talk shit online.

>>2698944
There was this one rapper who I randomly came across because he followed me on soundcloud. His whole story is crazy. His cousin got killed by the police, then he started doing a lot of BLM type activism stuff, then the LA police chief started coming out against him and said on TV that he was a gangbanger. Then he actually got this motherfucker to retract his statement, but on twitter, but he was like "if you said I'm a gangbanger on TV you should retract it on TV." Anyways there was a robbery where like a PS4 was stolen out of a home. It was just described that a Black man was spotted fleeing the scene. They went out, arrested him, did what they call a "field identification" where they bring the suspect to the victim in handcuffs and go, "is this the guy?" And then that was that, they convicted him of robbery and sentenced him to 17 years. Not only that, but I looked him up on the California inmate search and they had him at a private prison in Mississippi. I imagine he's still there. God I wish I wrote him a letter. I've tried to spread his story here over the years a couple times.

>>2698946
He really pissed them off.

>>2698948
Here is with some of the news clips.

>>2698915

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/puzzling-number-men-tied-ferguson-protests-have-died-n984261

Holy hell I just read this I believe it. stay safe comrade. I hope the dead mans switch is secure enough please keep your head on a swivel.

Deandre Joshua’s body was found inside a burned car blocks from the protest. The 20-year-old was shot in the head before the car was torched.
>>Darren Seals, shown on video comforting Brown’s mother that same night, met an almost identical fate two years later. The 29-year-old’s bullet-riddled body was found inside a burning car in September 2016.
MarShawn McCarrel of Columbus, Ohio, shot himself in February 2016 outside the front door of the Ohio Statehouse, police said. He had been active in Ferguson.
>>Edward Crawford Jr., 27, fatally shot himself in May 2017 after telling acquaintances he had been distraught over personal issues, police said. A photo of Crawford firing a tear gas canister back at police during a Ferguson protest was part of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch’s Pulitzer Prize-winning coverage.
In October, 24-year-old Danye Jones was found hanging from a tree in the yard of his north St. Louis County home. His mother, Melissa McKinnies, was active in Ferguson and posted on Facebook after her son’s death, “They lynched my baby.” But the death was ruled a suicide.
Bassem Masri, a 31-year-old Palestinian American who frequently livestreamed video of Ferguson demonstrations, was found unresponsive on a bus in November and couldn’t be revived. Toxicology results released in February showed he died of an overdose of fentanyl."

>>2698946

i just looked into this 2 holy fuck. its the same pattern the person i just replied to described happening to him??? Im honestly new to socialism from streams. I thought cointelpro was from the 70s not 2015s????

>>2697863
>rather than letting covert organizing hierarchies form in ways that are invisible to onlookers.
Translated to normal speech - cliques should dominate organizations with no accountability. This is the reality that has been seen and critiqued ad nauseam in anarchist spaces already.

I suggest that you are still holding a liberal view of leadership when you talk about heroic figures. A leader is just a node with extra privilege. This is necessary for compartmentalization, otherwise everyone has access to all information, making being a mole super easy. And of course this critique fails to capture your vision as a whole. What it really looks like is no one has any information, everyone is acting in an uncoordinated way, development is only spontaneous, resources are mis-allocated from a pov of the whole movement, etc. So you wouldn't need to worry about information leaking anyways, since there's no information being shared. But this is a weakness of the model as a whole, not a strength

This brings me to your crimethinc article in another post - what do you think insurrection is? What is your tactical theory of victory? I see insurrection as a moment in a wider struggle. For Lenin it was a moment when the people took the movement from the working class neighborhoods to the city as a whole, taking over communications infrastructure, barracks, factories, etc. A riot is not an insurrection and will never be able to assert any kind of control because it lacks the ability to defend itself. Talking about holding territory with burning cars is nonsense, that's really only territory denied. And you might think "yes, this is exactly what we want! ungovernability!" but this does not work side by side with a functioning economy. In lieu of a functioning modern economy how will the people feed themselves? All anarchism finds itself at primitivism in the end, or syndicalism. And you're not a syndicalist.

Also you keep mentioning leadership decapitation but compartmentalization gives the capacity for an organization to obscure its leadership. That's only the case for open organizations, which I don't advocate at all (but you do!). Idk what you're trying to say with linear organizations and a lot of your obscure writing. It seems like you have a vibe more than a thought out system. Why should cells (groups of individuals in communication and coordination with each other) be constantly breaking up and forming? That's the opposite of an affinity group. Plus why support this? It means constant churn rather than growth. It means where you could have grown your network, instead you keep organizational capacity at the same level. Why not just grow? It seems very frivolous to me, because it doesn't take into account the scale of organization we need. I'll address that more in another comment to you

>>2699008
I don't lie. I should re-look-up all the details and do a write up. I didn't forget, but alas, I didn't do anything, there was not much I could. I could have at least wrote him in prison. I can still do it now if he's still locked up.

But still, hypothetically, we can kill all of them so easily. All it takes is one sympathetic soul to get away with murder, I love hearing them talk about their concerns about "jury nullification" with Luigi. We can just go kill them, the problem is most people aren't on our side. Like cops, FBI, CIA, really can get with the team and we could just go kill them, that's my message to the surveillance state.

>>2699015
>>Translated to normal speech - cliques should dominate organizations with no accountability. This is the reality that has been seen and critiqued ad nauseam in anarchist spaces already.

This is the reality that has been seen and critiqued ad nauseam in every single leftist space. If you've been around, and in a lot of organizations of varying degrees you would know cliques forming is a constant challenge, the committee is often a mask word for clique in the way some of them actually function.

The theory of distributed vanguard does not sit as proposed political structure or a new form of state power, nor a informal hierarchy of cliques, with alternative government waiting to be instituted. This misreads entirely. The framework describes organizational intelligence already emerging in practice from material conditions, not blueprint for future socialist state institution. It is analysis of how coordination already functions in successful decentralized movements, systematized for learning and replication, not call for new political form to be established with this said model.

Lets head to Post-1969 Republican movement; after security failures there was no centralized command between Belfast, Derry, South Armagh, yet certain nodes set tone through demonstrated success; Belfast's military operations, Derry's civil resistance, South Armagh's territorial control - all things that also lead a mass network of varying republican groups and individuals who were engaged in acts. Leadership outside of the top, or political wing was not elected or appointed but emerged from practice alone. Which node delivered results, which developed effective tactics, which maintained security under pressure. Other nodes adapted, adopted, or ignored based on their own assessment and conditions. This is not militant democracy or hierarchy in formal sense but distributed recognition; leadership as influence rather than command, as temporary pattern rather than stable position. You see "cliques" and recoils because your imaginary remains trapped in liberal categories; accountability requires visibility, legitimacy requires procedure, coordination requires hierarchy or its absence. The distributed vanguard operates in different register entirely; accountability through material interdependence, legitimacy through demonstrated reliability, coordination through network topology rather than traditional military command structure. The Belfast IRA's "leadership" was not clique dominating organization separate from the general militant republican movement but nodes temporarily central in broader network flow; more traffic passed through, more resources coordinated, more tactics originated without centralized authority to command other nodes, which retained autonomy to accept or reject influence.
The framework's "nondirect leadership" is precisely this observation; temporary centrality in network topology rather than position in organizational chart. Success and resources concentrate influence without concentrating power, because nodes remain materially autonomous and can survive without central node, can route around failure, and can develops alternative coordination dissipates.

>>A riot is not an insurrection and will never be able to assert any kind of control because it lacks the ability to defend itself

I don't think you've looked that deeply into the Greek situation of that era, especially if you think all that was ocuring was some flipped cars. I'm also seeing the inability to use materialism beyond a linear sense; you shouldn't expect "insurrection" to appear in the same ways in Athens 2000s as it would in Russia over 100 years ago. Lenin was right in his definition; Yet "Insurrection" is not essence to be achieved through correct checklist; communications infrastructure, barracks, factories, but specific historical form of revolutionary moment, dependent on conditions of class interaction in the locality. Lenin's Petersburg was concentrated industrial city with centralized state apparatus vulnerable to concentrated assault; and I'd even argue that the nihilist insurrections of russia against the tsar are what set the conditions of full on insurrection in Russia.

Athens is a dispersed metropolitan region with distributed state power and advanced surveillance capacity. The economy is tourism, shipping offices, small retail, precarious construction, gig work, university and public sector employment fragmented across metropolitan region. Production is individualized, invisible, and distributed into fields without the clear production identity that russian workers had. Workers are isolated in small workplaces or informal arrangements, their labor not obviously interdependent, and their physical concentration temporary and consumption-oriented rather than production-centered. The university, the shopping district, the neighborhood square replace the factory as sites of potential coordination, but these are sites of social reproduction and circulation, not direct production.

The factory proletariat could leverage structural position through direct action at point of production, acheived through direct insurrectionist acts, strike, occupation, seizure. Economic power translated directly into political power because production was material, located, and collective. The working class of modern Athens lacks this structural position; service work is difficult to occupy, informal work is difficult to organize, precarity makes sustained strike action economically suicidal. Here the class struggle cannot take the same form because production relations do not permit it. This does not mean class struggle disappears but that it migrates to sites of social reproduction; housing, education, urban public space, police violence. The 2008 uprising was triggered not by workplace exploitation but by police killing and a hate for the relation to commodity; it concentrated not in factories but in universities and neighborhoods; its demands were not workers' control but broader social transformation. This is not failure of class strugggle it's a material adaptation to class composition; the urban proletariat of 2008 is not the industrial proletariat of 1917, and its struggles reflect different conditions of existence.

The Romanian immigrant looting the Athens Rolex shop in 2008 and the Petersburg workers seizing the factory in 1917 are actions identical in their fundamental relation to capital, differing only in the mode through which that relation is expressed. Both are acts of appropriation against commodification, of taking what capital has enclosed, of asserting need against exchange value. The factory worker takes the means of production; the urban precarious worker takes the means of consumption. Both refuse the mediation of wage and market as expropriation.

The black/white producer-owner framework is not wrong but incomplete, sure, adequate to industrial capitalism but not to late state capitalism's full development. Marx analyzed commodity production; we inhabit commodity circulation, commodity consumption, the commodification of daily life itself. The Rolex is not merely luxury good but fetish form of social value, the immigrant's expropriation is not merely consumption but attack on the spectacle of wealth. The factory seizure disrupts production; the shop looting disrupts reproduction of class hierarchy through consumption. Both of these things are the same acts of class struggle; Do not expect uprisings, insurrections to take the exact same shape as places that hold two different material conditions under capitalism.

READ:

1. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41510566

2. https://www.academia.edu/1963913/From_Ruptures_to_Eruption_A_Geneaology_of_the_December_2008_Revolt_in_Greece

3. https://www.scribd.com/doc/194383447/Glass-Floor

I'm sorry that this response has to be so long, but I'm realizing a lot of people have not closely observed the shifting conditions of capitalism in it's modern stages, and how that means class struggle will not directly imitate it's history. This is why looting occurs in the USA too; that was a direct form of class struggle in it's relative form. I'm not sure where you all live, but I'm imagining if workers seized the means of production where I am, they'd still have very little to produce.

Now, I have to move on for your accusation on the word "insurrection" falsely being applied to describe the word "riot". Riot typically suggests unorganized, spontaneous, localized violence without sustained political objectives; insurrection suggests organized, sustained, territorialized challenge to state power with revolutionary aspiration. Greece exhibited elements of both and neither with organization emerging through practice rather than direct prior planning, duration extending over weeks, spread across multiple cities. It sits somewhere between unrest and insurrection. It wasn't purely reflective of an event of unhinged, untamed anger; An Anarchist teen was SHOT dead by the state, right outside of a popular squat. Within an hour anarchists & marxist cells were demonstrating their capacity, and it generalized. I point to it, not because it's a direct example of the model but because greece demonstrates both the viability and insufficiency of distributed vanguard coordination; all things to learn from.

The greek riots were a highly organized, and rapid response to a comrade being murdered by the police, this is something beyond the scope of a normal riot. Multiple police stations in over 3 cities were under constant siege, over 40 buildings were occupied for a month, media stations were seized, the economy was shut down and under constant attack in multiple cities for about a month. In a month it caused over 2.6 billion in economic losses for the bourgeois. It boiled over into armed struggle, which is when the IRA's world began vocally supporting them. The zapatistas responded to events in 2008 saying that the greek riots were an example of what insurrection can look like in relation to their urbanized neo-liberal economy, because they understand materialism and don't see it as viable that people seize land and farms like they did in chiapas in…Athens.



>>Also you keep mentioning leadership decapitation but compartmentalization gives the capacity for an organization to obscure its leadership

Clandestine organizations with centralized command, armed groups with hierarchical structure all remain vulnerable to decapitation and co-option because leadership is concentrated even if hidden. The compartmentalization I describe is not of individuals but of knowledge and function according to specific tasks. No single node possesses comprehensive strategic understanding, and leadership function migrates rather than residing in identifiable persons. Coordination emerges through network topology rather than command structure. This applies regardless of organizational visibility. The IRA's Army Council was clandestine yet decapitatable; the only reason they avoided this was they didn't exist in a modern GWOT framework, so their leadership was often hidden and secure in the republic of Ireland. This method wouldn't work today in Ireland, and there is no probable land and sovereignty separation that would have ever allowed that in USA. The 2008 Greek coordination was visible yet not decapitatable because leadership was distributed, not hidden. Their leadership was determined by their capacity and success.

The framework is deliberately provisional, describing organizational intelligence observed in practice rather than prescribing ideal form. This is not absence of system but resistance to systematization that slows growth. The distributed vanguard framework suggests that new conditions require conceptual innovations of leadership in militancy.

>>constantly breaking up and forming?

Cells do not "constantly break up and form" through deliberate decision. The network topology shifts through material processes; nodes dissolve when participants burn out, relocate, face new situations, meet new people or face repression; new nodes form when conditions permit; connections reconfigure as trust develops or fails. This is not "frivolous" organizational policy but observation of how distributed networks actually function. The question of "why support this" assumes this is advocated ideological preference rather than analyzed tendency of how protracted peoples war can survive the modern apparatus of capitalist hegemony and policing.

>>That's only the case for open organizations, which I don't advocate at all (but you do!)

Yes, and these open organizations give multiple benefits currently. You laugh, but if you were to be arrested, due to connections with these organizations and a shared principle and effort, I could easily allocate money to your bail if needed. The class struggle is not something that should be completely in the shadows; the ideas, support, challenging of power through labor, and survival programs all currently belong in the public sphere.

You wont do shit. Stop wasting people's time. Go eat your ben&jerrys and play the Nintendo

>>2699790
>I'm realizing a lot of people have not closely observed the shifting conditions of capitalism in it's modern stages,
No the issue is that actually your ideas are played out and old, we've heard this shit a thousand times that marxist critiques of capitalism are meaningless in a post-industrial "consumer" society (a thing that doesn't exist), and your theory of organization is just movementist liquidationism. You don't understand the need for a coordinating organization, and where you accept its existence (in your historical examples) you say that it has to be born from competition between local groups. I don't even take huge issue with that last part, but the problem is that these things are not static. What begins as multiple points of resistance with their own methods, ideologies, and mode of decision making only become successful when they're brought under the umbrella of a larger organization that coordinates actions and distributes resources. You start going word salad when trying to say I mischaracterize your vision (or not a vision, just a plain reproduction of current (losing) practices right?). I think this is because your ideas don't stand up to scrutiny and you haven't studied history deeply enough.

I'm done arguing with you, so I'll just say on a lighter note: right now, yes some people are making networks and resisting state violence as best as they can, but so many others are ready to do something but face the current political landscape where there is no organization ready to take and lead them. People are paralyzed by powerlessness, and there's nothing more powerless than purely local actions and isolated grouplets. We'll only be able to overcome the moment by attempting to grow a more singular organization that can tell people what needs to be done in their area and lets them rest easy knowing that what they're doing is being replicated in many places, paving the way for actual change and an actual chance at self-defense. You say yourself that your vision is just a reflection of what is currently happening. We aren't currently winning, so there's no evidentiary weight to this model. Yes conditions in the past were different, but they also had similarities. I'm not just drawing from the bolsheviks but from many other communist parties - the successes as well as failures. We need to take stock of history, not the present, because the present is what we're trying to influence and has no lessons for us yet. Your vision is a theoretical reflection of the existing movement, not the theory behind the movement itself. This is not the newest iteration of revolutionary theory built on past successes and failures, it is a theoretical reflection of the reality of a lack of theory.

>>2699023
And this is exactly what they bourgeoisie are telling them about us right this moment, while they hand them big bags of money :( Who will they choose? (it's the people handing them bags of money)

OP is mostly correct. If people want to know one major reason that the centralized leninist underground won't work, look up F3EAD – it's what the US did in Iraq.

>>2699790
Oh also you totally missed the point I made about insurrection. Insurrection (in the sense used historically by communists and in the context of SUCCESSFUL revolutions) is an organized military operation which moves the insurgents from strategic defensive into strategic stalemate. It's not riots (which is again what you describe). "Demonstrating capacity" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard (not that you're wrong, this is aimed at the gayreeks). It's either reformist (trying to pressure the bourgeois state) or just stupid and suicidal (giving the state a reason to intensify repression, possibly alienating themselves from the population by engaging in pointless violence, and letting the state do surveillance to map all militants while they're out in the streets).

>>2700022
It's a modern targeting methodology? Want to talk more about it? I don't think any methodology makes the state omnipotent.

>>2700013
>>that marxist critiques of capitalism are meaningless

Who said this? I'm using dialectical materialism to analyze the difference of social relations in modern capitalism, and how that reproduces different forms of class struggle. Marxism isn't a linear formula of observation to apply the same singular expectations from conditions that differ.

Historical materialism applied to modern surveillance, precarity, territorial dispersal, urbanized dispersed working class, produces different conclusions than when applied to industrial concentration, factory production, centralized state rudimentary state power. The "old ideas" you claim to have heard are your own projection. The actual content here within the ideas of distributed coordination, political wing separation, is not what Marx or Lenin wrote to a T. It's what observation of contemporary movements, analysis of their failures, and attention to the appropriate material conditions produces.

>>I don't even take a huge issue with that last part
>>when they're brought under the umbrella of a larger organization that coordinates actions and distributes resources

This is precisely why I believe there has to be a solidified REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST political wing, that is capable of operating above ground; separate from the distributed network, yet only on paper. I explained excessively how these relationships already exist without the solid organizing capacity and unity behind it (which is why MAGA politicians and podcasters call for DSA people to be arrested for not prosecuting rioters, or even lawyers who fund their defense for free). The political wing includes more than simply a Party; it's an entire body of organs that have specific functions that function above ground. The political wing serves as umbrella in specific sense, it provides legitimacy that protects network activity from immediate criminalization, generates resources that support network infrastructure, mobilizes above ground activity, gives platform for the distributed vanguard to act upon, as well generating news networks and creating overall, institutional access that network capacity alone cannot achieve. The network provides the political wing with cadre, community base, and tactical capacity; the political wing provides the network with legal cover, resource generation, and public visibility and infrastructure. Each enables the others existence; this already exists, but unfortunately in relationship to more reformist and liberal political wings. Honestly in the past even if it's been with leftist organizations the relationship was more parasitic than symbiotic because they have not committed to serving a revolutionary role; SYRZIA out of Greece following the social tension is a perfect example of this actually.

>>You don't understand the need for a coordinating organization

Again… did you miss my claim that there needs to be a solidified, revolutionary political wing coexistent to the distributed vanguards tactical wing of peoples war and mass movement? This is precisely the issue. The power and attention generated through distributed vanguard gains is already constantly captured by political parties and NGOs with a lack of this solidified relation.

>>We'll only be able to overcome the moment by attempting to grow a more singular organization that can tell people
>>what needs to be done in their area and lets them rest easy

The proposition assumes that organizational scale requires rigid hierarchical concentration, that telling people what to do requires singular structure, Consider the mathematics. A singular organization with centralized command, node degree distribution concentrated in single hub. Probability of organizational survival under targeted repression scales inversely with hub vulnerability. The compromise probability of top leadership is high, given visibility and concentration. The impact of a compromise would be near total, given information concentration and command dependency. The expected organizational lifetime would be short, given these parameters.

The singular underground organization faces structural constraints that distributed networks inherently avoid. Centralized command concentrates vulnerability; leadership is visible, mappable, and targetable. State security apparatuses excel at penetrating hierarchical structures through informants, surveillance, and selective pressure. The historical record is consistent; in modern USA and EU centralized clandestine organizations survive months or years, rarely decades, and their collapse is typically total rather than partial.

The claim is that there will be methods of remaining anonymous, yet growth in centralized form produces visibility that invites repression. Each new member expands the attack surface; each additional layer of hierarchy creates new points of potential compromise; each extension of geographic reach strains communication security. Each time a person gets caught, the entire organization is inherently at risk. The organization becomes efficient and fragile, optimal yet clearly temporary in the modern GWOT urbanized world.

Distributed networks operate through different logic. Inherent Compartmentalization limits exposure, compromise of any node reveals minimal network topology. Redundancy ensures function persists through node loss. Local autonomy enables replication without visible central coordination, growth without visibility, adaptation without command. The Irish Republican Army maintained capacity for decades; this was due to their willingness to adapt the a semi-autonomous structure. The SEMI part worked because most IRA leaders during the troubles could easily reach safety over the border to the republic and many rarely crossed it.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system

>>Officially, the PIRA was hierarchical, but as British security forces became more effective it changed to a semiautonomous model for its operational and for certain of its support cells (such as transportation, intelligence, cover, and security).[5] Its leadership saw itself as guiding and as building consensus. The lowest-level cells, typically of 2–5 people, tended to be built from people with existing personal relationships. British counterinsurgents could understand the structure, but not the workings of the operational cells.


The singular organization's claim to efficiency clear command, rapid decision, unified action proves illusory under modern repression. Decapitation produces paralysis; infiltration produces paralysis; ideological dispute produces fracturing schism. The distributed network is the observation of the organizational form militancy is bound to take under modernized conditions. Material conditions determine this outcome surely. Contemporary surveillance enables easy mapping of hierarchical structures; preventive counter-insurgency enables neutralization before scale; The singular underground organization is designed for conditions that no longer exist. Again, its persistence as the organizational ideal reflects nostalgia rather than materialist analysis. I said it a hundred times, the lack of willingness to accept this model does not negate the fact that it is the modern norm due to MATERIAL CONDITIONS rather than ideological choice.

Not only do most of us who realize this, analyze this topic rigorously in multiple ways over the years; We constantly read through the reports of the bourgeois security apparatus's open networks of intelligence. The apparatus, in its own extensive documentation, consistently identifies the decentralized network topology as its most persistent operational challenge; the exact organizational model this framework observes and attempts to systematize into something more complex. Those who acknowledge the distributed network have read millions of papers on state security reports, and had countless people sit down and break the info down in the same way these homeland security backed think tanks do.

>>He described the strategy as “nothing less than a fundamental departure in theories of organization,” marking a transition from the traditional hierarchical, pyramid model of organised violence to one of autonomous cells. Since 1992, extremists from across the ideological spectrum have adopted leaderless resistance as the standard operating procedure for their respective movements.

>>Another social movement, however, has been employing the strategy of leaderless resistance with a much higher degree of success.

>>Though the ELF‘s acts are less severe than those of Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph,25 they are far more numerous. James Jarboe, the FBI‘s top domestic terrorism officer, linked the ELF to 600 criminal acts committed between 1996 and 2002

>>As a consequence of this frequent and escalating leaderless resistance, John Lewis, an FBI deputy assistant director and top official in charge of domestic terrorism, labeled eco-terrorism, along with animal liberation as the #1 domestic terrorism threat in 2005

>>Thus far, academic literature pertaining to leaderless resistance has focused on its use as an effective strategy for avoiding detection, infiltration, and prosecution by a powerful state.

>>In this article, I argue that the strategy of leaderless resistance has another benefit - one most easily enjoyed by social movements that display a high degree of ideological diversity;

>>In effect, the ELF‘s use of leaderless resistance creates an overlapping political consensus among those with vastly different ideological orientations, mobilizing a mass of adherents that would have never been able to find unanimity of purpose in an organization characterized by a traditional, hierarchical, authority structure.

>>In short, in using leaderless resistance, the ELF allows its adherents to be fluid in belief while still mobilizing them to commit direct actions‘ for a specific cause or result


(I've literally read policing connected think tanks write that this presented a challenge in using slight ideal differences to split and fracture a group before they can commit action)

>>the ELF does not directly recruit members to a pre-existing organization, but rather encourages people to start their own micro-organizations to further ELF‘s ends. In an introductory video to the ELF, publicist Craig Rosebraugh claims there‘s no realistic chance of becoming active in an already existing cell.Take initiative; form your own


>>There is no doubt that, initially, the impetus for the ELF‘s adoption of the leaderless resistance strategy was the same as that of the American radical right; to avoid state detection, infiltration, and prosecution by powerful government agencies. Once implemented, however, it became clear that leaderless resistance also allows the ELF to avoid fracture.

Source:

https://ualberta.scholaris.ca/server/api/core/bitstreams/906f70eb-c5af-4991-8dd5-9e76a50710e6/content

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274172371_Leaderless_Resistance_The_New_Face_of_Terrorism

https://www.asisonline.org/security-management-magazine/articles/2024/01/extremism/leaderless-resistance/

>>There's nothing more powerless than purely local actions and isolated grouplets

Most working people have to act locally, in accordance with an understanding and connection to the global.

>>I'm not just drawing from the bolsheviks but from many other communist parties - the successes as well as failures

Explain, because most of the existing Communist Party in the modern west is a bunch of revisionists who would be more likely to defend parliament than storm it. Show me, where a singular centralized organization has shown it holds the ability to engage in any form of mass disruption, or protracted peoples war without immediately being attacked and infiltrated. Then demonstrate to me, how this applies to current modern conditions and where? That's exactly what I've continuously done, because I am not arguing for an idea, yet simply observing a material reality that exists.

>>We aren't currently winning

While the state of the U.S. empire in relation to global markets / politics and the contradictions of capitalism is the reason for the current movement of fascism in the US form, it's also a reaction. The reactionary mobilization was drawn out steadily over the years, through waves of networks engaging in resistance specifically against white supremacy and the policing behind it; with each wave of rupture; from Ferguson, to 2020 intensity grew, because capacity of networks strengthened in not just numbers, but skills. Trump's victory and his movement first mobilized around the unrest being caused, and positioned himself as the "strong man movement" to stop it. Look at everything that's happened over the years and the result; You claim we aren't currently winning, and I say of course WE STARTED on the "losing class". Right now the waters may appear calm, but when the wave returns and crashes to shore, it will be clear that the calm was only the quiet before the storm. People are wiser, and not falling into bait of repetition. You see losing, well, actually.. everything is moving along just as expected all things considered.

>>2700024

I definitely maintain that my assessment in no way misconstrues the character of the December 2008 events in Greece, nor did I assert that they constituted a fully developed proletarian insurrection model. Rather, I characterized them as a profound moment of rupture, a breach in the seamless reproduction of capitalist social relations that far transcended the episodic, localized character of a mere riot.

In my earlier exposition, I sought to delineate why potentially insurrectionary conjunctures in the contemporary metropolis (such as modern Athens) manifest in forms qualitatively distinct from those of early 20th-century Russia. The absence of a mass, organized industrial proletariat concentrated in large-scale factory production; the fragmentation and precarization of labor under post-industrial revolution accumulation; the centrality of youth as a dispossessed stratum bearing the brunt of capitalist crisis; race / neo-colonialisms new shape and the shift in state repressive apparatuses toward permanent counter-insurgency policing; all these materially conditioned differences render any mechanical transposition of historical templates inadequate. This historical contextualization was either overlooked or tacitly rejected by you, comrade.

A serious engagement with the true scope and duration of the Greek events weeks of generalized urban conflict, widespread attacks on symbols / functions of capital, occupations of public institutions, sustained sieges of police stations, and the emergence of low-intensity armed confrontations reveals an intensity and breadth incompatible with the category of “riot” in its conventional, depoliticized sense. This was far from a spontaneous outburst of “leftist anger,” the revolt entailed a protracted youth-led assault on the circuits of economic and social reproduction, provoking in turn a fascist reaction from segments of the state and civil society, as well as embryonic forms of armed struggle.

To grasp such phenomena adequately, one must move beyond the ossified schemas of classical Marxism and engage contemporary Marxist analyses that historicize the transformations of class composition, the crisis of social reproduction under neoliberalism, and the shifting terrain of revolutionary possibility. Insurrection is not a fixed teleological formula to be mechanically applied; it is a historically specific ART of praxis, emerging contingently from the concrete conditions of exploitation and oppression, and from the decisive (or indecisive) interventions of the oppressed classes in their confrontation with capital and its state. A deeper materialist inquiry into the Greek conjuncture of 2008 and its aftermath would, I suggest, confirm rather than refute this observation I made.

I'm not sure why the article choice name is such a sticking point it's just an interview with one person directly involved in those events, offering a firsthand glimpse of what happened. I understand that CrimethInc (like much of the more radical left media) can sometimes use sarcastic or exaggerated language, but along with Democracy Now!, it was one of the few sources at the time that published direct interviews with people on the ground in that period of Greek resistance. Crimethinc also regularly publish action report-backs and analysis of actual struggles rather than pure theory, which I find valuable for leftists across the spectrum.

>>demonstrate capacity
>>stupid


>>A 16-year old leftist, barely out of childhood yet already awake to the contradictions tearing through our world, stands in the streets with a comrade. Two bullets, fired at point-blank range by a grown cop, armored and backed by the full apparatus of the state. The shots ring out in the open air, the body drops, warm blood pools on the cold pavement, and the life of someone who could have been any of our younger siblings, any future comrade, is extinguished in seconds. No warning that justifies it, no threat that matches the lethal response, just the raw exercise of capitalist domination asserting itself against a kid who dared to be in far left / anarchist spaces.

Within the hour, the streets respond. Not in blind chaos, no not as some impulsive outburst of individual anger, but as a collective surge of cells, and individuals motivated by them and the contradictions of neo-liberalism on full display with lead entering flesh. Multiple people, neighbors, friends, strangers drawn by the same wounds and interests move toward the scene, confronting the line of riot gear and flashing lights with all the things they perfect, trained, and provided materials for. They did not dissolve and scatter; they persist, and spread like fire in a dense dry forest. Barricades rise from whatever's at hand, voices entering labor strikes amplify through megaphones and shared fury, and the energy doesn't dissipate with the first dispersal order. It holds. It builds. For a full month, that rupture doesn't close. Demonstrations swell night after night, occupations of offices and centers of capital and state / media function form, mutual aid networks deepen, workers reclaim their nights and days, even if just for a moment from the grasp of the state and capital. This persistence isn't spectacle or simple riot, it's a sustained, organized refusal; vigils that turn into assemblies, assemblies that turn into blockades, blockades that force the security apparatus to reveal its exhaustion. It was sustained for a month-long boiling towards armed struggle for a reason; because the seriousness isn't negotiable; it's etched in the fact that a child's life was taken so casually, and the response mirrors the depth of that violation.

If, in the face of this violation, you still treat the killing as minor, and "displaying capacity" as "stupid", and the situation as not warranting that level of sustained antagonism from cells, as something the youth, the marxists and the anarchists, the agitators, the looters, should just have absorbed and moved past with "measured" tactics or endless patience, then you have nothing of value to transmit to those who tomorrow might lay in that same bloodied spot on the pavement.

Those who may soon face that muzzle flash, terrified yet resolute, have zero use for any analyses that serves to downplay the stakes, that mistake demobilization for theoretical wisdom. They need the clarity of unflinching recognition; this game isnt one to be played cooly; it is instead a live and hot antagonism where denial of its weight is itself a form of counter-revolutionary labor. If you can't map that reality without flinching, without softening the edges, then step aside. The excluded require voices that insist on the unbearable truth so the line can be drawn where it must; In moments like that, when a comrade is shot by the police, there is no retreat into fantasy, no mediation that absorbs the rupture. To sit there and dismiss the gravity of that sustained, mass-mediated refusal as tactical folly or mere riot is to perform an ideological operation that aligns uncomfortably with the state's own narrative of de-legitimizing antagonistic class struggle. It trivializes the depth of the wound of a comrade being murdered by the state and, refuses to learn of the material realities behind the successes of the rapid response from both MARXIST and ANARCHIST networks. Without understanding it's successes you cannot understand it's failures, nor can you understand the lasting general impact the situation had on Greek society (and arguably beyond).

>>2700440
holy Chat GPT can you actually write something real instead of getting some retarded bot to?

>>2700446

Shut up fed. Go buy a chair and some rope, or come back with something better. Maybe this will be easier for you to consume, since bare minimum attempts at theory explanation and work citing makes you think I am a BOT. Now go scurry off back into whatever hole you belong in, you swine.

>>2700453
>In my earlier exposition, I sought to delineate why potentially insurrectionary conjunctures in the contemporary metropolis (such as modern Athens) manifest in forms qualitatively distinct from those of early 20th-century Russia.

No one real talks or types like this you fucking CLANKER. You could have just said "here is why rioting in modern Greece is different from riots in 20th century Russia" but you HAD to hit the AI slopify button to "beautify" your very simple idea with a shitton of unnecessary verbiage to make it seem longer, simply because you think it makes your post look better, like the fucking retard that you are.

>>2700472
>>You could have just said

You only talk like this on an image board meanwhile in person that's where I'd put your teeth on the floor, and the fun part is I could talk to you like that If i wanted to without you being able to do a damn thing to me trust me.

Now go on now, get.

>>2700474
In person I'd fucking rape you to death I am 100% sure I am the only person on this entire shithole who works out regularly because I was planning to volunteer for the Russian military to go fight in Ukraine.

>>2700481

Yeah I'm surely not phased by any of that, I was in WMCC for over 3 years. I only work out, and read; everyone here who is able bodied must do the same, as well as build upon the capacity of survivalist skills. Sadly, now I can only bow hunt; which I still am privy to. Now if I consented before you stuck it in, would that negate your success? I see no reason for all the occurring contretemps in this thread. I have a certain way of typing theory, especially when It is done in my native tongue and then translated. In English I tend to the informal street speak side, especially when the method of communication is vocal.

>>2700481
What's stopping you from going big boy. Why are you threatening rape on the internet instead of defending evrasia?

>>2700387

curious about the practical side in a U.S. context? with FBI backed by NSA-level dragnet surveillance + fusion centers feeding local PDs, how do you even begin embedding without getting mapped and neutralized early? Encrypted Signal groups? Burner comms? Physical dead drops? Are you in a cell, how do you recruit? The nodes… are they something who currently still exists or did they go away and give up after 2020? I always have wondered what happened with that.

but real talk how do you keep a distributed thing from just fizzling out after the big moment? like minneapolis 2020 had mad energy then poof, everyone went back to scrolling?? or what is everyone up to? the vanguard idea you got sounds cool, like sneaky smart people embedding and steering without looking like they’re in charge. asking for a friend lmao, also quick side q about the age thing bc i keep seeing it pop up in these threads most of the street heat seems to come from the zoomer kids right? or is most of the network older.. or we talkin theres freshies like 18-23 yr olds who were basically teenagers when george floyd happened? then you got the older heads in their 30s who’ve been thru occupy or whatever and they try to “guide” but half the time the young ones are like “ok boomer go touch grass”.

I REALLLY want to know more about this going on Minneapolis if you can tell me?

>>2700493
Was rejected by the Russians because I don't know how to speak/write in Russian and they didn't want some anglo who could only communicate in english.

>>2700472
>>you could have just said here is why rioting in modern Greece is different from riots in 20th century Russia"

they didnt because thats not at all what hey were saying, you brain dead low autism score cop. I swear half the people here are just agents and the other half like all fucking zoomer leftists seem to not read theory at all.. then they do read it and it's "oh i read marx we good" and the mother fuckers stop reading. nobody reads any marxist text past 1920 and are used to modern theory being served to them twitter form. leftists used to be buried in books, essays and constantly writing. Social media jargon took the place.

are there seriously zero leftist tor spaces?

i would've thought there would be at least one or two due to how many useless junk onion sites there are

>>2700387

dont listen to a word this crackpot says hes a gang member who is contributing to the downfall of socialism with his nonsense agenda of gang control

>>2700650
I haven't seen any. It's drug dealers, pedos, and tech enthusiast spaces that get taken over by right wing edgelords. Even if they existed I doubt they'd have much traffic, considering how all the clearnet left forums are doing

>>2701140
>gang member
?

There must be centralism though

>>2700387

This is bullshit written by an idiot who thinks he's smart because he's so dumb he went to prison for poisoning the community, then tried to play it like it's because the distributed vanguard worked he got cointelpro'd. yeah right guy, it's not 1970 anymore cops aren't planting bricks on people because of some unrest. He's a known gang member, and an agitator…. lovely combo do not listen to follow or engage in anything this hood says. Stop playing stupid games.

>>2701405


I'm not the person you responded to but this asshole is a gang member for sure……

>>2701405


https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmo/pr/five-arrested-accused-st-louis-linked-cocaine-conspiracy

Mr JUCHE is a gang member linked to this . horrible but makes sense how much he idolizes the gangster north korean government and the obsession with peoples war. it's going to stop, do not follow it. It's better to have a leader, central and in the open so its connected to the public. end of story. not some invisible gang of shadow puppets nahhh nope.

>>2701483

He will be going back again if he wants to FAFO.

Why are anti-surveillance projects like tor and i2p only used by libertarians, pedophiles, and libertarian pedophiles. Every single one of you uses Windows, has Intel ME running, and saves everything to onedrive.

>>2701483
LMFAO this has to be distributed vanguard poster samefagging because what in the fed? One dude creating AI walls of text telling us that we should imagine a secret conspiracy behind spontaneous isolated resistance and never try to organize these people together except out in the open, and another dude also saying to only organize out in the open with identifiable leadership and pushing that he's a criminal bcuz muh drugs. This is either fed on fed action or one retard shadowboxing

>>2701510
It's because no one is serious. Nearly all communist organizations in the imperialist countries are led by people too comfortable to have any incentive for revolution, so they just play. Also no one knows history because it's intentionally buried. They don't understand what they're fighting against.

At least the Italians are leet. (n)PCI shills tails and pgp, and there's autistici/inventati

>>2701515

Prettyyyy sure Ive heard the juche douche is a DEA informant. Not sure if true but makes sense that he'd be trying to create even more confusion shadowboxing, false ideas and ineffective methods being promoted. Generally just a stupid idea his ideas are stupid. I'm not anti drug but heh it does speak to his piss poor moral compass. Imagine thinking you got arrested and setup because of the trivial bs going on in ferguson. Yeah the police arent setting anybody up over a overhyped sports riot with loose political demands. Brother you went to jail because you sell fucking crack.

>>2701518

Tell me more about the italian anarchist and marxists tors is that how people join the distributed affinity?? just curious i think the ideas stupid but if i could see a basic layout of their network interaction base then maybe ill get it.

>>2701483
Are you crazy? He said he was arrested and served 4 years already. This is a random drug bust from a few months ago. The said part is that a lot of people here are stupid to believe it.
>>2701515
>>2701519
Probably just samefagging anyways.

>>2701525

You believe his story..? thats rich hes an antisemitic drug dealer that got caught, not a revolutionary. He's borderline schizophrenic or on methamphetamine he thinks that people killed his friends for some stupid little riot…. brother spawns up bs theories in his head. Don't follow anything idiots like him said. Just stay home in the next 10 months and dont follow them or anyone like them. Heis posting multiple times talking to himself, making up fake mysterious death of imaginary friend scenarios up. It's sad hes clearly sick and mentally unwell shame how bad America's mental health services are.

>>2701520
I'm not the distributed person, I just stan the Italians. They're the most advanced within the imperialist countries imo

>>2701528
sussy baka

Adventurism is a meaningful way of resisting when there is no organizing capability.

Political assassinations are cool again and you should do more of them, burning down datacenters is good praxis, sending anthrax to your politicians is a solid idea

there is no future so all that is left is revenge, total murder of the capitalism class is the bare minimum

>>2701564
So what is your alternative?

They say the best way to use tor is through Tails OS but I think you're a fool to trust any of this is secure.

https://tails.net/

>>2701572
Depression

>>2701580
I've heard quebes OS is the best for privacy. because of the compartmentalization and stuff