What do you think of communo-monarchism?
Can the holy proleterian spirit be passed down trough your seed? And as such only the inheritors of this great proleterian spirit are fit to rule?
220 posts and 58 image replies omitted.>>2694855If propaganda didn't work, no one would bother with it.
So no, I'm not gonna listen to people currently living in North Korea who know nothing but the Kim Dynasty and their self-promoting propaganda ecosystem, who even if they are dissidents cannot dare speak against them on pain of death, on whether North Korea is good or actually socialist or not. Absolutely not. I will judge that myself.
>>2694875>westoid treatlerite kkkrakkka refuses to readStory as old as treatlerites themselves
>>2694878>>2694879>just listen to the Kim propaganda slop and believe it you fucking westoidEastoids gonna east
>>2694881Genuine nitwits these people, like they recognized western news is full of propaganda, but instead of not letting it dictate the narrative they just turn it on its head and decide that actually exact opposite is the truth.
>>2694898Name 1 example of western propaganda about socialism where the exact opposite isn't the truth
>>2694902One party states being inevitably despotic. Much as socialists may want to retain ideological purity, that purity test inevitably attracts megalomaniacs and psychopaths to your movement who then schmooze their way into positions of power and use it to enrich themselves rather than actually carrying out a transition to communism or whatever. Without direct electoral accountability to the public you will never have a well functioning socialist state because there is no incentive structure to force those in power to actually act as such.
>>2694902You know the old easter european joke "everything they told us about communism was a lie, everything they told us about capitalism was truth"?
Anyway, to answer your question, propaganda is almost always based on truth to various degrees, because only idiots fall for blatant falsehoods.
>>2694917What the fuck happened after 1985 you genius?
>>2694906>direct electoral accountability wouldn't those movements just get co-opted by part of the ruling class anyway ? just like mass media
>>2694923Sure, but simply due to the number of people involved its less likely, making it a much safer hedge against that than relying on the party elites to police themselves.
Delegates to the 9th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea arrive in Pyongyang, the capital of the revolution.
The time is approaching for the 9th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea, a major political event in the history of our Party and the nation, to be held amidst the great expectations and interest of all Party members and the people of the entire country .
The preparations for the 9th Congress of the Party, which will be an important milestone in the history of our Party's leadership, which has built a dignified and powerful people's country with self-respect and self-sufficiency by remaining faithful to the socialist ideology and cause for 80 years and wisely leads the revolution and construction of the new era for the all-round development of the country and the promotion of the people's welfare, have been completed, and all the Party representatives who will play an active role in the vanguard of the sacred new administration have departed for the Congress hall.
Delegates and observers attending the 9th Congress of the Workers' Party of Korea arrived in Pyongyang, the capital of the revolution, on February 16 , bearing the boundless respect of all Party members, people, and soldiers of the People's Army for our great Party, the organizer and guide of all victories of the Korean people, and the noble achievements made in implementing Party policies.
The participants in the conference were warmly welcomed by the secretaries of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea , Comrades Ri Hi-yong, Kim Tok-hun, and Choi Dong-myong, as well as other Party Central Committee officials.
The citizens of Pyongyang warmly welcomed on the streets the honorable representatives who played a leading role in the implementation of the line and policies of the 8th Central Committee of the Party, which aimed at achieving new victories and advancing to a higher level of the cause of socialism in our own style, and who embodied the trust of all Party members in the Central Committee of the Party and the passion of our people for their country.
The delegates are fully aware of the people's trust and expectations, and the sacred mission and important task entrusted to them by the Party organization, and are filled with enthusiasm to responsibly participate in the work of the Party's highest leadership organ. (End)
>>2694957>but simply due to the number of people involved its less likelyWhat are you talking about it is an even smaller elite involved in maintaining it for liberal democracies
>>2695049I mean that there's vastly more people available to police elite behaviour due to the electoral check, people from outside their class. Elites having to police other elites never fixes anything.
>>2695458>I mean that there's vastly more people available to police elite behaviour due to the electoral check, people from outside their class. You cannot possibly believe this?
>>2695651There is no alternative besides elites policing elites, which doesn't work.
>>2696581So you're saying if epstein was king of america he wouldn't have raped random poor children?
If trump as king he wouldnt6 have raped trafficked eastern european girls?
Isn't the whole saudi cort rapists? They're not raping each other that's for sure
Sons are more reliable than not–and if they aren't, then just choose a more loyal son.
Son upholds his father's legacy.
>>2696585No, I'm saying even bad monarchs usually aren't that bad.
>>2696581>>2696581>So when someone like Nero or Caligula is ruling, only certain people are in danger of suffering unjustly—namely, those he personally knows, such as courtiers or people holding high office. And even among them, only those who possess something he wants are at risk. Those who insult him or openly offend him are punished with reason. Therefore, in a monarchy, anyone who chooses to live quietly and stay out of ambition is safe, no matter who the ruler is. It is only the ambitious who suffer; everyone else is protected from the violence of the powerful.Hobbes is completely wrong here, and laughably so
Monarchs regularly prove to be sadistic and abusive freaks even to random lowborn people outside of court, and frequently common men are drafted to fight and die for their monarch without warning or chance to flee. Get real.
>>2696593Communist regimes have a bigger track record of fucking with random, lowborn people on democratic pretext which includes the masses.
Their incentive is to rock the boat.
Even a sadistic royal probably has a lower kill count.
>>2696605Kek, did you make that image because I never seen it on the Booru?
>>2696610yeah i made it like 2 or 3 OC threads ago
The defense of Juche in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea must proceed from a rigorous application of historical materialism, tempered by the recognition that Marxist theory itself is not an eternal, ahistorical dogma but a living science whose concrete manifestations are dialectically conditioned by the specific contradictions of time, place, and class struggle. Even amid the most unrelenting bourgeois propaganda, we must affirm that Juche represents not a departure from Marxism but its creative, anti-dogmatic adaptation to the semi-feudal, semicolonial realities inherited by the Korean revolution and war.
Historical materialism teaches us that the superstructure arises from and reacts upon the economic, yet the precise forms of ideological and political struggle are relative to the stage of development and the balance of class forces in said region or time. The universal laws of class struggle, as discovered by Marx and Engels and further developed by Lenin and Mao Zedong to name just a few, do not prescribe mechanical schemas to be imposed uniformly across all nations; rather, they demand the concrete analysis of concrete conditions. In the Korean context the protracted national liberation struggle against Japanese colonialism, followed by the genocidal imperialist aggression of 1950 and 1953 and the subsequent encirclement by U.S. imperialism and its South Korean puppet regime, produced a material reality in which the masses' mastery over their own destiny, Chajusong, emerged as the decisive subjective factor. Juche elevates the role of the popular masses as the makers of history, echoing Mao's insistence on the primacy of people over weapons and the mass line as the method of revolutionary leadership. Far from idealistic monarchy, this emphasis on conscious human agency is thoroughly materialist and socialist, and it arises from the objective necessity of breaking the chains of dependency imposed by centuries of foreign domination and the uneven development of the productive forces in a small, war-ravaged country.
From my perspective which synthesizes Mao's mass-line practice and critique of bureaucratic commandism with the anarchist aspiration toward stateless communism and the immediate abolition of hierarchical domination, Juche's insistence on independence in politics (jaju), self-sustenance in the economy (jarip), and self-reliance in national defense (jawi) constitutes a revolutionary negation of both revisionist capitulation to Soviet social-imperialism and capitalist restorationist tendencies. The Korean path rejected the technocratic model of "peaceful coexistence" peddled by Khrushchevite revisionism, which subordinated Third World revolutions to great-power diplomacy, and instead upheld the Maoist principle that the masses must rely on their own strength to transform material conditions. In this sense, Juche prefigures the withering away of the state…not through abstract utopian declarations, but through the concrete forging of a self-reliant socialist base capable of resisting imperialist subversion and internal bureaucratization. The monolithic ideological system is often caricatured as authoritarian but it must be understood dialectically; in a world besieged by hostile encirclement, the ideological mobilization of the entire people against class enemies and revisionist degeneration serves as a material force preventing the ossification of a new exploiting stratum developing.
Critics who dismiss Juche as nationalist monarchy divorced from class struggle fail to grasp the historical relativism inherent in materialist dialectics. What appears as "nationalism" in one conjuncture is the necessary form of proletarian international survival in another. Just as Mao Zedong Thought adapted Marxism-Leninism to China's semicolonial conditions by centering the peasant masses and protracted people's war, so Juche adapts it to Korea's unique position as a divided nation on the front line of U.S. imperialist puppetry in asia. The defense of sovereignty and self-determination is not bourgeois chauvinism but the precondition for the international liberation of the working class. Without it, the Korean proletariat would remain subordinated to foreign capital and revisionist patronage. In upholding Juche, the DPRK has preserved the revolutionary kernel of Marxism against both imperialist aggression and opportunist liquidation, demonstrating that true communism advances not through dogmatic imitation but through the creative initiative of the oppressed in their specific historical circumstances.
Thus, in the revolutionary tradition, Juche stands as a beacon of mass self-emancipation; an affirmation that the Korean people, by mastering their own fate, contribute to the global defeat of imperialism and the ultimate realization of a classless, stateless internationalist society.
>>2695680Again, how does liberal democracy "check" the elite?
>>2696788Obviously by subjecting them to popular approval to have political power. Again, I know what you're gonna argue but you can stuff it. There is no universe where relying on elites to police themselves leads to better outcomes.
>>2696690>the stories aren't true, DON'T believe them>capitalist, westoid propaganda!Tick tock, /leftypol/.Someday the Far Left will be another anachronism like with my Royal Colony threads, and /leftypol/ users will look fringe like me.
I hope the DPRK is the last regime standing and with a long lineage of heirs related to Kim Il Sung, so I can laugh at you.
>>2697026>>2696633come on dude
we can kiss but only if you behave
>>2697026Go hang out on /his/ if you love monarchy so much. Leftists are and always have been totally anti-monarchy. Off with their heads, and yours too.
>>2697248Complete monarchist cope. You can dress it up all you want, you want a king, and kings need to die, period.
>>2697251Pure idealism not willing or able to view material realities of situations. The DPRK achieved anti-colonial independence, the national existence that is prerequisite to any socialist construction; industrial development under conditions of siege that demonstrates the planning principle's viability; the persistence of state ownership and collective agriculture against constant foreign imperialist pressure. These are material facts, determinations by the base that moral dismissal cannot dissolve. The achievement and the failures of North Korean's juche are dialectically interconnected, products of specific contradictions between forces and relations of production under specific historical conditions. The Jacobin anarchist like you can hold neither; your position requires moral clarity before concrete analysis, superstructural judgment before base investigation.
I don't think America's material conditions fit the juche idealogy. One shoe does not fit all.
>>2697291I don't care what your excuse is, it's not socialist, it's despotism and it need to be destroyed. Period. I'm not arguing this.
>>2697307>>im not arguing thisI know, because idealists don't argue or analyze they repeat utopian slogans, and appeal to idealism and moralism rather than material reality.
>>2697307I dont care who you are, you're retarded and your destruction would be preferable. Period. Im not arguing this.
>>2697321>>2697334If despotism is the only realistic form of human governance then humanity should be destroyed
>>2697403this maymay only applies to shitholes like 4chan where it effectively functions like social media where you have a thread for practically everyone and everything. meanwhile you are on leftypol on a bait thread
I would only support this system if the philosopher-king were Chagosposter.
I look at North Korea with unrelenting envy.
North Koreans have a better harmony than Western Christian Monarchy.
No annoying catfights between Church and State, no stupid twofold Church/State loyalty between King Jesus and King King.
A cult of personality centered around the Leader and no Christian universalism, no dealing with Christian biblical baddie portrayals of Pharaoh always skulking over, no Greekoid classical tradition that snubs this sort of thing with excessive tirades about ebil tyrants and oriental Persians (which they attach to monarchy).
Everyone gets familialism with the Party and the Leader–no competition between Church familialism (Yes, even Communist internationalism is more nationalist and keen than the universalism/cosmopolitanism of Christianity). –The Western culturally don't comprehend it very well, always entertaining mixed constitutionalism/political pluralism (which Hobbes tried in vain to push away from, but failed, b/c the West can't stop being for multi-party democracy/aristocracy–and if they do comprehend it, it is sapped under Christianity).
They accept the need for the arbiter and no fruitless mental gymnastics about it.
Mt. Paektu bloodline (not Mt. Zion *cough*) and everyone recognizes the preeminence of the Leader and corporatist unity, Leader is central as soul of the Commonwealth and core to their identity… community of pleasures and pains that Plato lauded is secured under the cult of personality of the Leader… unlike Christianity where at best people get the Eucharist and icons to communicate with Christ and clergy–the Leaders bloodline secures the justification of arbiters with less factionalism (which has erupted with Christianity, because while the Leaders can communicate and be arbiters, Christians still wait for Jesus and rely on either the prime ministers (popes) or ministry (orthodox bishops/churches) which are never quite as secure as a direct blood descendent who is living among them (not an icon or eucharist, but a living person in the here & now).
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…It is great the bond they have going… I hear Christians get detained for trying to sneak in and proselytize the North Koreans and hide Bibles… and that's a good thing–if North Koreans converted to Christianity, it would be paradise lost, and destroy the bond they established.
>>2702529North Korea will be converted to Christianity with the power of the Russian Orthodox Church. Zeethe harder satanist.
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