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UK Palestine Action ban ruled unlawful, in humiliating blow for ministers

<Thousands arrested for supporting group since proscription are now in legal limbo as Mahmood says she will appeal


>Judges have humiliated ministers by insisting Palestine Action should not be banned under anti-terrorism laws in a ruling that has left thousands of its alleged supporters in legal limbo


>The high court said on Friday the government’s proscription of the direct action group was “disproportionate and unlawful” and that most of their activities had not reached the level, scale and persistence to be defined as terrorism
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>>2714773
no i mean india has and does exist(ed)

>>2714780
india is also a shithole full of poverty and immorality

>>2714804
you've never taken a nature poo and it shows

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>>2714695
funny how everything is interconnected

presenting opinion as fact is a form of manipulation

On the Hinduism stuff, there was basically a whole pantheon of Gods in the Vedas such as Indra etc that got replaced by newer gods and are now totally irrelevant for some reason.
Likewise the actual big creator God, Brahma, isn't even worshipped by the vast majority of Hindus, compared to other gods such as Shiva (the destroyer God), Vishnu (the preserver God) , Ganesh (God of wisdom/arts), Shakti (feminine God) who all have millions of worshippers.
Religions be kinda wild…

New Dave was pretty good.
I'm calling it sub-conscious.

saw this story where a local council has decided to evict businesses from an estate for the planned construction of around 200 homes. the great irony of course is that this eviction will cause the loss of 200 jobs. so then, 200 people may be at risk of losing their homes as 200 people gain their homes, prospectively of the completed project (e.g. 3 years). the businesses were told that they were being evicted with great surprise, as negotiations occured entirely bureaucratically. just another example of contemporary wankery in this country. its up there with "bad thing is good because bad thing leads to jobs" which the entire macro-economy appears to operate on. a zero-sum game of creatively-destructive "growth". by the way, we literally have abandoned houses that would take about £40,000 to do-up, rather than spend £250k on new builds that flood in after some heavy rainfall. i have also seen the proper suggestion that leaving space open for caravan parks would be more cost-effective and utilitarian than what we're currently doing, which appears to be a conspiracy of indebting the public.

>>2715189
its cause hinduism is not really an organised religion. westerners read hindu texts but most hindus dont.

>>2716827
It's just jobs for the boys, don't try to make economic sense of if it.

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the one thing i admire about the brit political system as a yank is that third parties are actually viable there.

>>2717141
you can see from this list of third-party members in the house of representatives and senate, that being third-party was much more viable in the past, particularly at the cusp of the 20th century:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_and_independent_members_of_the_United_States_Congress
you can also see stats on our parliamentary majorities since 1721 here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom
which used to be contended between the tories/conservatives and whigs/liberals, til the 20th century, when labour (est. 1900) emerged, but which only received its first prime ministership in 1924 (but with a parliamentary minority), but receiving its first majority in 1945, giving us the NHS.

In a better world the 150k-300k british tax dodging reform voting human toilets in the gulf states would be left there to contemplate their life choices, although the majority of them have too much botox to tell if any of their remorse is genuine.

>>2717141
Only slightly so, we still have FPTP

>>2717141
>third parties are actually viable there.
not really. FPTP is a cunt.

the comments on this video are redeeming humanity

LBC is apparently floating the ZOG hypothesis.

novara media have caught on the right-wing con; nativist "isolationism" contradicted by warmongering.

>war with iran is causing a rise in energy prices
reminds me very much of how the prohibition of russian oil led to inflated prices. now we must suffer another blow for the "west". shocking, isnt it? "free trade" is over - now its mercantilist piracy. this is what leads to world war and sacrifice of the innocents.

>>2717694
Novara defended accepting refugees from countries like Albania and Eritrea, where there are no wars.
They're probably happy about the Iran war because it gives them moral justification to lobby for importing more brown people. Not to mention a new grift now the Gaza one has died down.

>>2717745
and the solution to all this is farage, youre saying?

>>2717754
The solution is to erase all evidence of Ash Sarkar from existence and then work out the rest from there.

>>2717761
right, its ash who is the root of all evil…

>>2717745
Refugees from Albania are overwhelmingingly women trafficked into the country by gangs who'd just re-traffick them if they were deported. Albanian men are rejected asylum claims in the overwhelming majority of cases.

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aaaaaaaaannnnnnnd we're back!

>>2718663
Any Jew who for one second demands attention be given to their "feelings" = Zionist who should be unequivocally expelled

>>2718702
And what about the Muslims? I assume you apply the same standards regardless of religion?

>>2718663
will be interesting to see how this plays out post-genocide. I reckon they'll go hard on the antisemitism claims until they realize it doesn't work any more before pivoting to highlighting polanski's 'weirdness' (read: jewishness) like they did with miliband

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>>2719296
Not really reflective of FPTP, but combined it seems Greens won't beat Reform or Conservatives and are joint with Labour?

>>2719351
Hard to say without knowing how many people are in each group. By yougov's latest poll the total is 23 Reform / 20 Green / 16 Lab/Con / 14 Lib Dem.

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The great scam of student loan discourse is the idea of "interest" rates, as if scrapping interest would make debt more acceptable. the presence of debt shows the irresponsibility of the system to begin with, which is why, like mortgages, a system of student credit (e.g. UCAS points) must be met to secure a loan, which if eligible, ought to be subsidised by the state, like it is for undergraduates in scotland. as i have previously said, the 2008 housing crisis occured from unpaid debts, due to bankers giving out subprime mortgages to bad creditors, leading to a housing bubble that popped. same principle applies for students (i.e. not all young people deserve to go to uni). regulating application also allows for better equilibrium in the jobs market, especially if access was limited for foreign visa holders, who for whatever reason, are also eligible for british student loans.

>>2719499
'The Mortgage' is basically a token with which to 'buy' a house, and the value of this token has been allowed to inflate beyond all reason as a virtual currency.

>>2719505
well, its about regulating demand. If the token was set as £0, there would be no houses left, so you are basically forced to bid. still, the mortgage actually pays for a service (the construction of a house) so counts as a legitimate commodity transaction, while student loans is the renting of a classroom space so that a professor can decide to give you a certificate or not. rent is the trade of what is substantial for what is substanceless (e.g. an empty space, shelter, etc.). On the other hand, jobs are limited by qualification, so the costs of the loan should be taken on by sponsorship rather than individual transaction, which has to regulate according to a metric of talent rather than money. basing education on money is degenerate.

>>2719499
why cant higher education be free?

>>2719584
it should be free, by a system of student credit
the purpose of qualifying it is to allow for job opportunities

>>2719584
>>2719594
By student credit, I'm basically referring to UCAS points, which convert A-level grades into a quantity which is currently matched against course qualifications. For example, (A*=56), so 3 A* in A-levels converts to 168 UCAS points, which then allows access to higher learning institutes. I would strengthen this qualification and allow the subsidisation of all students who got a high enough grade, while those who dont would have to re-do A-levels, or pay their own way.

In 1155, the only English Pope (Nicholas Breakspear; Adrian IV) gave a Papal Bull to allow England to invade and conquer Ireland, the Bull being titled "Laudabiliter" ("laudibly"). Ever since, between Henry II (1171) to Henry VIII (1542), the title of "King of England" has been used synonymously with "Lord of Ireland". The Norman invasion of Ireland occured from 1169-71 and England has basically ruled Ireland ever since. So then, the woes of the Irish begins in the Catholic Church.

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Pope Innocent III made a Papal Bull in 1215 entitled "Pro rege Johanne" (For King John) in which he assessed the Magna Carta (1215) as "null, and void of all validity for ever", and so with his Papal decree, eliminating the possibility of a sharing of powers. Pope Innocent III had previously proclaimed "Vergentis in senium" (1199) which made heresy equal to "treason against God" and so was a way to punish those who would be disloyal against Church powers (as this was during the Crusades). So then, we see the slime that these Romanists are involved in - with the Great Schism already occuring by 1054, and the Reformation officially beginning in 1517, but unofficially beginning around 1395, with the English "Wycliffe Bible" being published, and with Wycliffe later being branded a heretic - the real Babylonian evil of the church occurs with the Papal Bull of "Unam Sanctum" (1302) , which saw the invention of the "tiara" or "triple crown", that saw the Pope as both temporal and spiritual Lord of the worlds, wielding absolute power. The 14th century then marks the inevitable decline of The Beast.

University education creates liberals and leftists
Not because unis propagandise (they don't and if they did it would be wasteful, nobody does the readings, and even if some do, not all of them will agree with what they say), but because they bring together people of a similar disposition and, because we copy our peers, enhance that disposition, pushing them left. A world without uni is a more conservative world, a more small minded world, and this despite the actual institutions themselves usually being conservative and small minded.

If it turned out mass access to uni education had a negative ROI it would still be worthwhile for this dispositional effect. The costs here are offset by the savings from not having some asinine small minded policy like the online safety act in the future

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On Papal Bulls, its also interesting to see the development of legal antisemitism. In the first place we have "Sicut Judaeis" (1120) which promoted peace with Jews. Afterwards, we have "Esti Judaeos" (1205) which gave distinction to Jews (in that they were unable to fraternise with Christians), which leads to "In generali concilio" (1218) that enforces the branding of Jews by them wearing different clothing to Christians, like in the Third Reich (1933-45). There was further segregation made by "Sufficere debuerat" (1233) and antisemitic pogroms enforced by "Si vera sunt" (1239), that laid blame on texts like the Talmud causing blasphemy, and so these were seized (the Inquisition had started earlier, in 1233). There was also "Impia gens" (1244) which saw Talmudic writing burned. There was finally "Turbato corde" (1267) which legally barred Christians from converting to Judaism and "Vineam Sorec" (1276) which ordered the conversion of Jews by sermon. This is all momentous of sentiments on the Continent and in the North, with the "Statutes of Jewry" (1275) in England eventually leading to expulsion in 1290 (only lifted in 1656 by Cromwell's re-admission). These appear to be policies enacted in wartime and with destabilisation in politics and society, leading to scapegoating. I wonder what our antisemitic friend will think of this history and how it often repeats itself?

>>2719840
>its worth going bankrupt because you will have stylish opinions

>>2719856
  1. Wrong level of analysis: it is worth society spending money on a hypothetical net-negative degree (e.g. say Scotland pays £1800/head for a degree that will only generate £1750 in value for all society) if, as an ancillary effect, it turns a Lab-Con swing voter into a Lab-Green swing voter.
  2. You cannot go bankrupt from student loan debt in the UK. It is a fake, regressive and gimmicky graduate tax in all but name. (Bankruptcy doesn't even discharge student loan debt!) If your income is zero, your repayments are zero.

Fortunately, students are some of the top supporters of making higher education free.

>>2719620
University admittance should not be based on grades or social standing, it must be universal. At the same time everyone must learn to be part of the working class. Half the year students should be studying, the other half of the year they can be sent out to work in agriculture or to help build socialist construction projects. In this way we can build intelligent, introspective, and realistic socialist adults.

>>2719908
>scaling of education should not be based on the scaling of education
plainly contradictory. further, to make uni something compulsory is contradictory, since it entails the specialisation of topics and the division of labour at this stage. if i have no ambition to specialise, then what course am i forced to fail in? also, why cant people gain a vocational education instead of indulging academia? we still need bin men, y'know.
>Half the year students should be studying, the other half of the year they can be sent out to work in agriculture
🤣🤣 youre a proper hippy-dippy mong, you. how many community gardens will suffice for this social revolution, exactly? i dont want a nation full of glastonbury-tier wankers.
>In this way we can build intelligent, introspective, and realistic socialist adults.
are you an example of that?
>>2719894
>society
who is "society"? you mean the taxpayer.
>it turns a Lab-Con swing voter into a Lab-Green swing voter.
thats not a notable improvement in the social fabric.
>You cannot go bankrupt from student loan debt in the UK.
current accumulated student debt is £150B for 500k students. scale the costs for a universal program.

>>2719894
it's a scam, you're just a cash cow and they will be squeezing your tit until you turn 60, without much hope of actually repaying it.

charging interest on loans should be illegal

>>2719939
the loan itself is the crime
thats what must be emphasised

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Reminder that Israel's chief spokesman David Mencer was born and raised in the UK, is a former member of the Labour Party, and a former director of the Labour Friends of Israel.

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Attlee looks like the British Lenin

Clement Attlee's government (1945-51) nationalised around 20% of the British economy, including coal, railways, road transport, the Bank of England, civil aviation, electricity and gas, and steel. His government also brought in the NHS and other welfare state reforms. The subsequent Labour PM Harold Wilson (1964-70, 1974-6) seems to be best well-known for liberalising cultural regulations, including the decriminalisation of homosexuality. Here, the old left appears to become the new left. For the tory regimes of Thatcher and Major (1979-97), the privatisation of national industries appears to have un-done initial post-war social reforms, with Thatcher and her agenda laying the groundwork for momentous privatisaton schemes for the NHS, dismantling the welfare state:
https://www.yournhsneedsyou.com/timeline/


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