/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

prelude (t. "lebor gabála érenn", 1100 CE): noah is the father of japheth. japheth is the father of europeans. magog is the father of the scythians and gaels. fenius farsaid is a scythian king and father of nel, who marries scota, daughter of the phaoroah cingris, and mother of goídel glas, who creates the gaelic language and whose progeny are the gaels. they leave egypt the same time as the israelites, wandering for 440 years until they go to iberia, where they have further course to ireland. by this time, there have been inhabitants in ireland, including the people of cessair (daughter of bith, son of noah), who arrive 40 days before the deluge (with only 3 men and 50 women remaining, with the women shared evenly among the men. when the flood comes, they all die. 300 years later, partholón and his people (5,000 men and 4,000 women) arrive in ireland but die of plague in a week. 30 years later, nemed and his people arrive, but only 1 ship makes it out of 44. they settle and fight off fomorians (giants in irish folklore). some descendents go to greece, but return after 230 years (being the "fir bolg"), establishing provinces ruled by chieftans, creating a system of kings that rules for the next 37 years. after this the tuatha dé danann arrive in a dark cloud (this race is analogous to the pagan irish gods). they come and fight against the fir bolg victoriously. the tuatha dé danann enjoy over 150 years of unbroken rule. now, after this, the gaels (who are called "milesians" at this point) travel to ireland, first with íth leading them, who is killed, and so the rest of the gaels come to avenge him. after much conflict, there is a truce, and the gaels now reside in the upper world, while the tuatha dé danann reside in the lower world (or "otherworld ") and travel into the sídhe mountains.

cessair arrives in ireland (2680 BCE)
partholón arrives in ireland (2380 BCE)
nemed arrives in ireland (2350 BCE)
fir bolg arrive in ireland (2020 BCE)
the tuatha dé danann arrive in ireland (1900-1700 BCE)
the milesians (gaels) come to ireland (1700 BCE)
albina arrives in britain to establish albion (1400 BCE)
giants emerge (1396-1136 BCE)
giants create stone henge (1380-1136 BCE)
brutus arrives in albion (1136 BCE)
brutus establishes "new troy", or london, and dies (1112 BCE)
brutus' sons establish the kingdoms of britain (1100 BCE)
civil war of the five kings (~ 500 BCE)
molmutius establishes molutine/common law (~ 430 BCE)
julius caesar invades britain (55 BCE)
cú chulainn lives and dies (0-33 BCE)
joseph of arimathea arrives in england with the grail (63 CE)
uther pendragon fathers king arthur (~ 480 CE)
battle of badon (516 CE)
jack the giant killer (~ 517-536 CE)
death of king arthur (537 CE)
death of merlin ambrosius (~ 580 CE)
lady godiva rides through coventry (~ 1040 CE)
the green children of woolpit are recorded (~ 1140 CE)
robin hood has his adventures (~ 1200 CE)

>>2690887
this is what king lear actually believes

>>2690880
Moralism

Everyone involved in purging Corbyn from labour is either a pedophile or directly connected and associated with pedophiles

about time, too!

>"Palestine is over"

It's just getting started!

Once again Admin banned from Plebbit for daring to point out that Zionist and Jewish biases have led the biggest attacks on British speech and protest rights since the War on Terror days and listing out like 10 different times groups like the BoD and british politicians seriously eroded our standards based on Jewish/Israel feels.
You have to honestly love how subs like UKpolitics and UnitedKingdom can just be like 80% Muslim bashing, subs like rPolitics are nothing but Evangelical bashing, but if you dare point out Jewish/Zionist agenda pushing, it's a reply section filled with seething thin skinned Jews who can't actually debunk or debate any of your points so they just cry Antisemitism then run to the admins for a criticism that is simply no more harsh than saying that Evangelicals push an agenda that attacks womens rights to get it censored and you banned.
Honestly, what pisses me off is not even that Jews are pathetically thin skinned and narcissistic (shock horror, another example of how virtuous victimhood just manifests as BPD tier vindicitiveness and entitlement eventually) and will literally just instantly run to censor anybody that goes against their fee fees, it's that retarded shabbos goy literally play along and mollycoddle Jews and their feels even when it's a blatant double standard.
I can't believe, honestly IRL, I've debated actual Islamic extremists, who have had more of hide against criticisms of Islam and Muhammad, than literally your average Jewish Zionist and their shabbos goy handmaidens.

>>2691168
Also just to put this in context, it was in the thread about the fucking proscription being overturned on Palestine action, literally a case where Jewish/Israeli feels basically state/BoD mandated wrong think into literally life ruining terrorism charges.

>>2691171
They’re being used right now exactly how medieval kings in pre Reformation days used them, and they’re falling for it, they can’t see the long game.

>>2690880
fdpd

>>2691185
>I'd been watching a genocide unfold on my phone
The miracle of technology Zoe

>>2691185
That she makes her explanation contingent upon the failure of international law is a smear to her own cause as support for the genocide is positively conducted on the basis of juridical means, its rationale being merely that extension of the state's operation invested in its own decisions by its legislative and executive bodies.

This counterposition, to the exclusion of legitimate dissent, bears the weight of its own democratic opposition in the arrival of those forces which by lawful means impose a restriction on support for such causes as Palestine, in which her actions reduce the issue to the contention of the matter of criminality, by which the individual contends with the state itself i.e. in its privileged legal existence.

The view that she would agree to if she saw it is that it is not the law that has failed, against which she opposes herself in both the general and hence abstract, but to the concrete principal as to which all are aware: British foreign policy being the expression of its elite in which they are charged with the protection, and by extension of, the nation's security and therefore the interests of its business class.

What is framed as the failure of democratic representation is in fact its own lack, such that within the context her actions only take place within that determinate social reality in which they occur: that she is a worker. In its converse then the argument appears merely as that fetishism which prevails in capitalist society whereby civil dissent is reduced to the dimension of the courts, providing those grounds on which the antagonists of the day believing that if they fight on it they may win.

In fact they have been duped by their own reason; the courts and by extension Parliament serve only to rubber stamp the conduct of the British state in its execution of a genocide which otherwise is the product of its central motif, war in the pursuit of profit. That this level of violence is isolated to those few radicals serves only in its counter-reaction of providing to the security state further evidence of the necessity of its existence and a deeper support on which it may draw.

So long as Palestine is seen in isolation it will remain a detriment to the cause of its own supporters, barring even those idiots who view British foreign policy in its wider yet discretionary lens: that in wearing so many badges of so many causes the British people may be sufficently united in their opposition to war itself, holding war as merely that fact by which the will of the electorate is subverted, in which the entire issue on which their opposition stands may be backhanded by the legacies of their failures.

The Beatles were real uyghas. I don't think that is not talked about enough. I feel them. I feel the suffering. I read a whole book biogrpaphy of George Harrison. He's cool but I am forgetting his background. I remember hims saying about playing more with Black American muscians after the Beatles, and he was like "I thought we were good musicians but we were just shite." or something paraphrasing. But Ringo, I just read his wiki entry, very sad, he grew up in the TB sanitarium, he learned to play the drums banging on the pots and pans. And Lennon, the story of his parents and his mom he hardly knew is so sad. I feel it tho, the raw unadulterated suffering.

>>2691362
If they ever make one of those annoying musical biopics of the Beatles I want it to focus entirely on Paul screaming at everyone during White Album and not letting Ringo on drums.

>>2691364
I got alot of funny Beatles Ringo anecdotes stored up in my mind.

Paul I believe in an intereview:
<Do you think Ringo is the best drummer in the world
Paul:
>He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles!
In the White Album tapes:
Ringo was fucking some drum sequence and then Paul tells him get off the drumkit and just let me do it.
Quincy Jones when he was executive producing a Ringo solo album in the 70s or 80s or whatever:
>Ringo kept fucking up the drums on this track so I told him "hey why don't you go take a break, then we'll come back to this." Then when he was gone I brought in a studio drummer and recorded the drum track. Then Ringo came in later and we were listening to it back and Ringo said "Whoah, this is good, is that me?" he thought or said "no dummy of course it's not!"

On a side note, Quincy Jones
>Quincy Jones studied composition and orchestration with renowned instructor Nadia Boulanger in Paris during the late 1950s. Under her tutelage, he refined his skills in classical technique, theory, and string arrangement. He also studied with composer Olivier Messiaen during his time in France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadia_Boulanger
>From a musical family, she entered the Conservatoire de Paris at an early age but, believing that she had no particular talent as a composer, she gave up writing music and became a teacher. In that capacity, she influenced generations of young composers, especially those from the United States and other English-speaking countries. Among her students were many important composers, soloists, arrangers, and conductors, including Grażyna Bacewicz, Daniel Barenboim, Lennox Berkeley, İdil Biret, Elliott Carter, Aaron Copland, David Diamond, John Eliot Gardiner, Philip Glass, Roy Harris, Quincy Jones, Dinu Lipatti, Igor Markevitch, Astor Piazzolla, Julia Perry, George Walker, and over 250 others.

I have so many Beatles anecdotes from across the pond. Remember when Sinatra said "Something" was his favorite "Lennon-Mcartney" song? The world was telling you, "let George write!"

>Frank Sinatra famously cited
"Something" as his favorite Lennon-McCartney song, often calling it "the greatest love song of the past 50 years". Despite attributing it to the duo, the song was actually written by George Harrison, a common mistake Sinatra made while performing the tune during his live shows in the 1970s.

This maybe funny coming from an American, you have no concept of your own history.

I give you cheat notes: Sinatra is saying that Harrison's composition in the final years of the Beatles is greater than all the years of the Beatles work under the Lennon-McCartney regime.

>>2691377
Stay warm.

I love Britbongs. My love forever.

I am more bong than any in the bonglands. I love my bongoids. We been observing you bong habits so in detail you don't even know.

What a crime, why do you bongs even exist? Justify it?

When am I gonna make a livin', livin'?
Ooh, it's gonna take a while before I give in
See the people fussin' and stealin'
Too many lies, no one is achievin'
Haven't I told you before?
We're hungry for a life we can't afford
There's no end (No end) to what you can do (Ooh, ooh)
If you give yourself a chance to prove

>>2691173
Yeah the hilarious thing is my comment was very upvoted by people and the seething Jews were downvoted, then BANNED. Rule 1.
They don't realize that they've completely lost the narrative among normal people who are now ready to believe their own eyes over Gaslighting crybullying. They're completely high on their own hubris and shit like buying out Tiktok, obviously having Zionists control Reddit admin positions and most major political subs and mass censorship over the media and social media is just making things worse for them in the long run.

Still to the worst cyclical on leftypol.

Congratzz, u guys consistently manage to be worse than fucking burger/pol

That's an achievement

>>2690883
Nobody cares

>>2690887
Nobody cares
>>2690900
Nobody cares
>>2691168
Nobody cares

>>2691377

Nobody cares

Join

>>2691537
Fucking dying

>>2691564
>>2691537
Dole scroungers, your days are through!

>>2691564
I don't know how it's possible that someone could make a worse campaign ad than Blair's Things Can Only Get Better nuLabour bullshit, but it was finally surpassed.
>>2691566
Why do these Boomers think they're perpetually living in the 60s? Universal Credit has already killed 100k+ disabled and they still hallucinate that Britain is "too generous" with welfare?

>>2691521
I cared about all of those posts, thoughbeit

>>2691537
the guy in the epstein files is backing the tory?

>>2691537
Isn't Farrage his best friend anymore

>>2691362
the beatles are a world-historical force, and were just 4 lads from liverpool, who broke up before they were 30. so good that conspiracy theorists say that they couldnt possibly have written their own stuff.
>>2691367
here's a good ringo session (vidrel) at 3:00 onwards
i would say that ringo is probably the most charismatic beatle as well.
>>2691377
harrison was a legend.
while my guitar gently weeps, something, here comes the sun, i me mine, its all too much, etc.

I take back what i said about perfidous Kveir and WeSS. Despite all their previous pathetic tailing to the subhuman gender-critical biocon woo crowd they are capable of being keyed, progressive and futuristic eventually. Trump's victory forced Keir & Macron to uncuck themselves.
This is great news for the transsexuals and looksmaxxers to come that such experiment is being carried by the state. Hopefully they wont defund the program to redistribute to boomers and welfare recipient (less certain…).

>>2691566
Anyone got a knife licence i can borrow?

>>2691595
<but at least you can get a PS5!
xbox only soz.

>>2691564
>things were great in 1997
you mean after thatcher and major privatised our national resources? tory twat.

>>2691185
>muhhhh rules based order rooted in international law was violated
Fucking hate these cretins

>>2691569
Understandable, have a nice day.

>>2691587
>2025
>Tory vs Lab brained
Are you retarded
?

>>2691602
>lab vs tory
no, cos the labs are tories as well

>>2691595
"@NAMBLA4trump and @detransmamabear told me it makes you infertile on Save The Children Podcast, the podcast said so"

The older I get the more I understand Tarkovsky's obsession with horses

>>2691611
steroids make you infertile, so why wouldnt puberty blockers?

>>2691615
>bro you should freeze some sperm, y'know for next time
Couldn't he just stick a pair of pants on that were a tad on the snug side and achieve the same thing?

>>2691615
Steroids and PB are two different thing but neither makes one infertile. Clav isnt infertile either (though he probably have ED) he's farming content. At most it can cause temporary cessation of gametes production during the time of the treatment which is far from what people meant by infertile. And even in those cases viable gametes are possible to harvest, that is why "infertile male" with no physically damaged genitals dont exist in the strict sense.
Birth control pills for women and STDs lead to more serious long lasting damages to one's fertility than any puberty blockers or steroids.

Puberty blockers when administrated at the right time can also make you taller than you normally would have been as it prevent growth plates from calcifying. Just a tip if anyone wants to looksmax their son so he dont end up a sub8 manlet. Or if they want to turn their daughter into a terrastacy.

>>2691618
>>2691619
so what youre saying is that puberty is actually unhealthy and that we should delay our natural development?

>>2691622
No i did not say this, but there are things we can improve with modern biotech in the realm of aesthetic which is massively important if you dont want your children to be part of the ugly non augmented underclass of the future.
That being said natural developpement doesnt mean much in a post-microplastic birth control infused water world where girls get their first period at 10 year old.

>>2691631
so… current thing good, yes?
how original.

>>2691633
you are insufferable.

>>2691634
why? because i am parsing out the essence of my opponents' positions?

i wish rose flag was here to flay these boring motherfuckers alive with an almost-smirkworthy long rambling half-rant half-joke that hinges on the reader being familiar with (a) the order in which candidates were eliminated from the 1976 labour leadership contest and (b) a short lived gimmick on 2017 era leftypol that it's quite possible was just them samefagging

my mum remarried a raging autist.
As long as you can hold a job down maybe it'll be all-right for some of you.

>>2691644
How bad is it

>>2691168
posting on reddit is bad praxis

>>2691591
>the beatles are a world-historical force, and were just 4 lads from liverpool, who broke up before they were 30. so good that conspiracy theorists say that they couldnt possibly have written their own stuff.
Yes, hating the Beatles is so lame. I hate those kind of memes. I hate how hating on Led Zeppelin for THEY STOLE FROM THE BLACK AMERICANSSS memes and all that. Get the fuck out of here.

>>2691681
Paul McCartney is a nobhead and I can't wait until he is dead. There were loads of bands around at the time that had a similar sound

Real talk for a second

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/topstories/keir-starmer-calls-for-western-alliance-to-be-remade/ar-AA1WkQQf

Keir Starmer calls for western alliance to be remade

>Sir Keir Starmer will warn Europe must move away from over-dependence on the US for its security and accept greater “burden sharing” as he signalled the western alliance must be “remade”.

Worthless commenting on aside from the concluding lines. That Bedonch continues to seek to outflank Reform is no surprise, but the contention by Labour that they may secure back voters by positioning themselves on a harder line than that of the Greens is doomed to failure; despite Polanski's wider electoral irrelevance he will inevitably be drawn into admitting before his members of the deeper need for European security cooperation vis-a-vis the desire of his party to re-enter the customs union.

The division they hope to exploit is a surface one designed to unite their remaining voter share behind a broader commitment to Britain's continued NATO membership, the problem itself being a non-starter. In fact it is just more evidence that the party is being torn apart, offering no meaningful basis on which it may prevent this from occuring except by its clinging - much as the Conservatives - to its occupation and management with state affairs for some semblance of stability.

The article itself mentions a £28bn gap in defence expenditure which Labour backbenchers will continue to revolt over should further welfare cuts be the focus of this.

Persuade me that there's still hope left for this world, if you can.
I get the feeling the fight is lost, at least for my lifetime, so I might as well just neetmax leech off society and play video games / watch anime until I die in my 40s/50s.

>>2691902
cats make better politicians than humans

>>2692015
Remember back in 2015/16 when people wanting to leave the EU were ridiculed for voicing concern that there would be creation of an EU army?

rupert lowe has formed his own political party
nigel farage is in trouble

>>2692424
literally who?

>>2692424
at least this guy didn't get payed to talk about sus among us in 2021 o algo

"Muslims built Britain."

- Sir Keir Starmer, 2026

I love big black cocks

-Sir Keir Starmer, 2026

>>2692526
>>2692527
I'd rather sleep than vote for some bourgeoisie cuck larp as working class and socialist

Will ReHitlerise Britain be able to steal enough votes from Retard UK to stop them winning the next election? Or will they be a total irrelevance?
What's your prediction?

>>2692581
What does this mean translated from schizobabble

after they bash the pakis, they will bash the transhumanists, the gays, the women and the workers. its all part of a longer plan to "restore" the nation to what it used to be.

abolish the aristocracy

>Larry the Cat celebrates 15 years in Downing Street

happy birthday larry!

Absolutely baffled by a minor media spat in which Zia Yusuf has been forced to rebut Polanski over twitter regarding his own statements

God knows what his media team are playing at

>>2693087
Actually in retrospect it's hilarious watching Yusuf defend this on the basis of wealth generation as his own fucking councils have raised taxes as much as 10%

>>2691362
>>2691591
the beatles were tory scum who made shitty cia psyop music

AMA about Your Party

You know, you should all be strangulated to death in a dark alley right? Like there is nothing worth to any of your silly objections.

>>2693099
how were the beatles tories?
>CIA music
like how the CIA made the internet? start thanking them for their contributions to the 20th century.

>>2693275
They attacked Mao in their bourgeois music.

>>2693316
but they were right:
<But if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow
https://genius.com/The-beatles-revolution-lyrics
its a rizzless strategy

>>2693173
Why don't you join a real socialist party

the yanks have caught on to our PCSO corruption

novara media have interviewed maurice glasman

Imagine if he had called any other minority group "mad", "vile", "filth", a threat to women and children.
Imagine if he said this about homosexuals, Jews, Black people.
It would be headline news, he'd be cancelled, doorstepped by journos, forced to resign. Instead he can get away with Nazi holocaust-esque language because it's aimed at transhumanists.

Actual Existing Peasant socialism was established in 410 AD. Then it was destroyed by the Anglo-Saxons and the highland Briton elite.

>>2693529
Source?

>>2693531
This explains how AEPS was founded
https://archive.org/details/declinefallofrom0000faul

>>2693325
Nah, look at this it is the peak of Yankee consciousness, and they are holding a Mao portrait.

>>2693528
>Restore Britain will protect women, and Restore Britain will protect children
This is fucking hilarious

Pancake day tomorrow, or should I say Pannekoek day?
Britain simply NEEDs Council Communism…

>>2693554
If anything Britain should abolish councils, and all forms of local governance

>>2693528
as i showed last thread, trans people are an exceptionally peaceful minority, comprising 0.5% of the total population at most (1 in 500 people), with massive under-representation in prison populations. the demonisation of this group shows how innocence is punished by fascists, in their inversion and misdirection of justice. even so-called "allies" are ontologically intolerant of their proposed existence, seeing them as a symptom of gender's internal contradiction, which they seek to "cure" by the feminist slogan of "abolition". everywhere, this peaceful group is victimised by ruthless medicalisation that sees them as a stain on the public. and as you say, they hold political exception also, where anyone can bully them without consequence.
>>2693542
if the right cared about children, they would make more of a fuss about the epstein files - but suddenly the patriots fall silent on that issue, or even become apologetic. hypocrites, liars and fiends. every accusation is a confession.

>>2693555
its impossible to abolish local delegation if you are working at scale.

>>2693559
No it’s not, the central government says something and you fucking do it or die

>>2693555
As Lenin once said: "All Power to the Soviets!"
A shame he later revised and pulled back from his own stance.

>>2693562
>the central government says something and you fucking do it or die
Sounds like the basis for a stable prosperous society

>>2693557
Yeah nothing says “peaceful” like having a grown man in a dress loudly masturbating to your five year old daughter peeing, splooging on your wife’s face, and then being threatened by the police when you try to report it

>>2693566
I don’t want a stable or prosperous society

>>2693606
This is just your disgusting paedophilic sexual fantasy.

>>2693608
So my wife and child’s lived experiences as well as the lived experiences of countless others who have survived sexual assault don’t matter to you if the perpetrator wears a dress?

>>2693606
>>2693612
things that never happened

>>2693620
It happened in their head, and that's what matters

>>2693620
What’s your answer to the Staniland Question?

Pro-ana TERF China flag poster is back from their ban it would seem

>>2693630
>>2693612
>>2693606
Stop posting your sick paedophilic fantasies in order to justify hate and discrimination for a minority you've never met

>>2693636
Nah this is a different person. They are like some boring boomerfash rightoid.

Barely worthy of note, but Hannah Spencer has made a video countering the characterisation of male asylum seekers as rapists by indulging in the same language used by the nationalists through her counterposing of the issue with quotations of crime statistics as a means to frame the matter as somehow 'endogenous' - not realising the duplicity of her own statements serve in both rationalising and thereby strengthening Far Right rhetoric.

In particular she uses the phrase "born here", reproducing at the level of thought that same moronic discourse used by ethnonationalists, in such a blithe manner it almost defies belief. The appeal is nothing more than an attempt to slouch her - and by extension the Green's - craven political agenda in order to manipulate that basic share of voters which remain within the council towards their own majority.

The idea that there is any differentiation between either Reform or the Greens is little more than a pretence. It is absurd that Sultana has endorsed this idiot out of a misplaced sense of pragmatism as the reality is entirely the opposite.

>>2693897
As an extension to this, that mindless countering of the basic contention that problems of rape may be disputed on the basis of race - in which the retort is made by opponents to nationalists that 'white' rape gangs are more prevelant, in an attempt to unmask a moral hysteria - appears as little more than the well educated racism of a bigot who need merely appeal to their own slovenly bourgeois universalist convictions apropos the persecution of individuals on the basis of their skin colour, finding in its substitute the self-congratulatory delusions of one who comes forth to represent wider society as a whole.

>>2693901
This special brand of dunce belongs to that colony within history which in the present state of its deteriorated share of social wealth attributes it accordingly to the degeneration of civic order through the most sophistic presentation of 'class' divisions and redistribution which previously characterised that particular order within British society of which they are its natives. These peons of capital, who strut forth as paragons of integrity, can be found in the likes of Jones whose political sympathies designate in their self-satisfaction those who they term as allies as the front and centre of the British 'left'.

That British proles must endure these pagliacci with no recourse to any effective, real, well publicised alternative is part of that horror in which one is asked simply to adhere to the justification that one's chains in life are in fact a responsibility of the most highest moral sense and that to be British is to be European and so on.

>>2693905
Such is the state of affairs in these idiot's descent from heaven to earth that that which they prognose in their British social Eden is merely little more than itself a symptom in which in their general as well as pervasive ideological and financial corruption, endemic to their existence as a social class, forms in its inability to find in its own expression its real condition.

Thus it is every one of these parasites crawls further inwards into the compacted bowels of British society through their various endorsements offered to whichever movement they believe they can feed off of.

>>2693954
God knows, serial predation of individuals in communities with low social cohesion due to generational poverty along with a pathologized sexual fetishism which is never redressed due to pervasive racist and patriarchal attitudes which not only flourish but find sponsorship in modern Britain.

That the nationalists take aim at ethnic minorities by weaponising the issue of rape is incredibly telling as it speaks to their own systematically repressed views on the matter of sex, one other crooked end of this particular stick being visible in comments by people such as Lowe >>2693528 regarding what is crudely reduced to that of 'transgender'.

The ideological bankruptcy of these individuals is entirely visible as women and children are reduced through the most mechanically propagandistic fashion to empty signifiers in political discourse in which they are designated as nothing more than that rank of 'social property' within British capitalist society, conferring to them the status of non-persons except through the specific contradiction which finds expression in the production of the legal juridical individual.

What emerges in the mind of their most virulently racist supporters who, finding profit in the mass victimhood of an underclass collectively failed due to the defecits of bourgeois rule, and subsequently thriving like maggots on this detritus, is the exposure of nothing other than their own culturally regressive existence by which their very world is held upright on its converse underworld of violence and domination through state rule.

The pinacle of this is that that defence oft mounted in the name of 'womanhood' occurs on the grounds of a structural sexism its adherents fail to escape due to their own socialisation into the most parochial of views which benefit only their would-be aggressors, never challenging the basis for this except in the most extreme of positions which serve only to legitimate the rule of capital.

>>2693974 (You)
>The ideological bankruptcy of these individuals is entirely visible as women and children are reduced through the most mechanically propagandistic fashion to empty signifiers in political discourse in which they are designated as nothing more than that rank of 'social property' within British capitalist society, conferring to them the status of non-persons except through the specific contradiction which finds expression in the production of the legal juridical individual.

It should be remarked that this is in the context of Lowe's comments within that twitter post.

There is so much more to be said about the basic mentality of those who cannot challenge the dominant discourse within British society re transgender individuals due to their own latent inability to frame or let alone perceive their own personhood as anything other than that which is outside the realm of accpetability.

That which surfaces in questions of rape does so as likewise in that of gender, the two being concomitant except in those divisions within the British consciousness by which society itself is ordered, namely on the grounds of profit.

It is hard to tell which is more revolting: the scapegoating of sexual violence through its displacement onto a minority, or the exploitation of its victims for their monetary value.

>>2693954
You know the answer. Because White girls are the ones you can pickup off the street with:
>Hey I got cocaine and booze at my place, wanna party with us?

Anyways, I'm not going to victim blame. It's fucked up stuff, but it's only because your society is so fucked up that a girl becomes victim to a grooming gang and that's the part none of you want to touch.

>Why are so many White girls "groomable?"

Are you going to show me one of these victims who came from a good household?

>>2693954
White supremacy makes it such that everyone vaules whites even as sex slaves

epstein island had a "no uyghurs' rule, remember

>>2693994
>White supremacy
This is such a derelict term useful only in the substitution of thought of reasoned criticism on the basis of historical class analysis for that of a racialist metaphyics, profitable only to those bourgeois scholars who must justify their positions within academia and with it the ruling class by the minting in their own depraved pedagogy those ideas which find adequate usage in distorting any true understanding of capitalist society.

The term itself expresses the sustained contradiction in meaning whereby relations of power are devolved to that cause of nothing other than skin colour, sufficently shaded as to render appropriate to the intellect the idea that race as a social category begins at the level of individual - thus reinforcing the bourgeois world view.

>>2693994
Lol, you guys never will touch the question of any other similarities the victims shared.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62n72mj113o
<Zara
>Saynor used his limousine business to lure child victims in Rotherham - his trial heard how we would pick up young girls at schools and children's homes and offer them "promotional work".
>"[It] started off as that - just promoting, getting picked up in groups and driving around, drinking, dancing," she told Newsnight.
>Zara was just 12 when she was first groomed by Saynor, a white British man who would give his victims alcohol, drugs and money before attacking them.
>"The more you did, the more money he'd offer you… it became normal to do that," she said.
>Zara said she and a friend were "getting picked up from school, getting picked outside our local youth club" but no adults raised concerns.

<Fiona
>Fiona Goddard was abused by a predominantly British Asian grooming gang in Bradford from the age of 14, shortly after being taken into care.
>It began after one of her abusers took Fiona and her friend, also 14, to a petrol station to buy them vodka.
>Fiona's groomers plied her with drugs and gifts. A court heard that she was "in effect used as a prostitute" by another of her abusers.

<Chantelle
>Chantelle was groomed and raped by a gang of British Asian men in Manchester between 2003 and 2007, beginning when she was 11 years old.
>She was in the care system at the time as her mother was in and out of prison.
>"There was males approaching the children's home, giving us alcohol and drugs and putting us in cars," she said.
>Chantelle's ordeal began after she met a man in his early twenties who, at the time, she considered to be her boyfriend.

<Jade
>Jade said she was abused by hundreds of men, primarily from a British Asian background, in the Buckinghamshire area from the age of 14 onwards.
>It began after she left her mother's home to live with her father, a drug addict who introduced her to dealers.
>During a chaotic upbringing, Jade believed those dealers could protect her - but from that point on, she says she was repeatedly attacked by adult men at parties while intoxicated.
>In 2008, she was placed into care and a year later was made subject to a special safeguarding order for children who repeatedly go missing.
>But Jade was arrested and convicted of causing or inciting another girl to engage in sexual activity after being found by police at a party with another child.
>She said she was "accused of taking girls out to get sexually assaulted" but "didn't have a clue what was happening".

This shit happens all over America as well, but almost exclusively in the hood. They call a pimp who specifically is looking for young naive girls from bad homes or runaways or whatever are susceptible to this type of shit a "chickenhawk." That's why it doesn't happen to White girls as much here as compared to other races, but in Britain, you have a large supply of White women who fall into this category.

>>2694003
begins at the level of the natural individual*

>>2694003
social relations are materially real, the point is precisely that they're social, not "natural" (empty distinction, humans are part of nature)

just like money is a social relation but is also real, but that also doesn't mean money is "natural" or "a good thing", or that the "essence of money" is contained in each banknote, just like how "the essence of race" is not contained in any individual, but racial discrimination manifests through social activity

you are a positivist, read engels

>>2694009
Yes mate, seeing through your horseshit makes me a positvist

>>2694010
>>2694009
Reread what has been written

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/16/britain-needs-to-go-faster-on-defence-spending-keir-starmer

>Sharon Graham, the general secretary of the Unite trade union, called for “definitive leadership” from Starmer on defence contracts. “The government’s dithering on the defence investment plan is leaving thousands of UK defence jobs at risk,” she said.

Fancy that, a union in bed with the British state in the protection of imperialist ambitions

>>2694010
Doing abstract negation of bourgeois ideology thereby reproducing its logics in the negative makes you a positivist.

>>2694023
As opposed to taking those redolent terms of its apologists who by means of criticism cloak their well educated racism behind the sophisticated veneer of that which they claim to oppose.

>Doing abstract negation of bourgeois ideology
This is completely meaningless. Fuck off and read Marx.

You guys are literally incapable of addressing the points I raised lol. That one anon kind of marginally addressed it before I chimed in.

>WHY IS WHITE BRITISH CULTURE SO FUCKED UP THAT ALL YOUR ADOLESCENT GIRLS ARE SO SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS SHIT?

Normal girls aren't. It's not normal.

Baffling that therm "white supremacy" has shown up in this thread as it implies some transhistorical cohesive racial identity that can only be stabilised through its progenation of the eurocentralist critique, considering that the phrase is used by American scholars to define a historical period within the United States following the abolition of slavery and its culture of lynchings.

>>2694029
Your point being that a cartoon proves you right?

That's the kicker, your island wouldn't be shit in the realm of history if you never conquered the whole world, but you wouldn't be in the situation you're in if you never conquered the whole world. Catch-22 as we say in America.

>>2694032
I'm sorry that you're illiterate and only the images in my posts are recognizable to you. This is why I like to include cartoons otherwise you wouldn't recognize anything in my posts.

>>2694034
Absurd that you'll call someone else illiterate whilst posting your personal stash of 19th century propaganda

Why yes, allow me as an American to explain class society in Britain on the basis of race

Here are three cartoons to prove I am right

>>2694037
britain and the rest of europe are just a zoo for american and chinese tourists, your country isn't real, whatever reality it possesses is downstream from the US human centipede excretions

>>2694039
Fuck off to the US thread with this garbage

>>2694037
Once again, I am trying to explain to you. There were words accompanying the images, but you were only able to recognize the images. Because you are illiterate.

>>2694041
>Because you are illiterate
And you're American

>>2694042
That's what I'm trying to say. You are illiterate, so you can only recognize words by their shape, so you can recognize a word like "American" but you cannot recognize the broad majority of words I post.

>>2694043
of the words I post*

>>2694044
You got me. But I'm just playing around with you in your same stupid dismissive tone because that's all you've replied to anything I've said. You haven't rebutted a single post.

So far you have responded with:
>You posted cartoons!
>You're an American!
Now:
>You missed the word the!
Fair. I award Gryffindor 69 points.

I saw that before you deleted it. My sarcasm is too deep. Lol. Did you reconsider that maybe that is the only cultural output your island has made in this century that is relevant on the world stage?

>>2694052
Have you considered fucking off to your containment thread (USA pol)

>>2694053
I thought bongs were supposed to be witty?

It's because liberalism actually more closely resembles the accusation that used to be made against communists that they want to turn women into the common sexual property of men

White women are liberalized, while at the same time living in patriarchial rape reichs.

Brown people, having not yet fully liberalized, keep their female properties under tight patriarchial control

>>2694160
I think it can be put more simply, that there was reasons for all the common wisdoms that existed under the "patriarchies" that existed under every single disconnected civilization of man that ever existed on Earth. But then when you go "fuck all that nonsense" you get predictable results. Every single race of man independently came to the same truths. I guess that is all the grand "patriarchy" conspiracy all these groups with no contact with each other came to.

Maybe you are right, that equally liberalized men won't take advantage of liberalized women, but they won't take advantage of them to the extent to have a positive replacement rate even.

>>2694162
It's more that every progressive change brought about by capitalism in the vein of "everything solid melting into the air" is accompanied with some disastorous consequence exploited by bourgeois rule.

Kinda like how labor automation, instead of freeing up labor, wastes it by throwing workers into unemployment.

>>2694167
Should've put the other vid so it was more clear to you they're a bong band despite their pretensions.

>>2694169
Tf is that clean shaven mf doing in the band

>Scotland isn't a colony because… it just isn't, okay!
tbf the chart shows that Scotland is, in fact, some kind of weird anomalous third category.
if UK marxists weren't a bunch of worthless LARPers they'd have some kind of analysis of this. instead, the best analyses out there are adjacent analyses about Scotland's ruling class having a similar structure to a colonial regime (e.g. economic bourgeoisie live far far away, clergy and administrators dominate the upper strata locally)

>>2693606
reportedly, there are only 76 trans women sexual offenders in britain that are in prison, which makes them less than 0.1% (1 in 1000) prisoners, while around 20% of all prisoners are sexual offenders. so then, if we extrapolate, we can say that 99.5% of all sexual offenders are cisgender (with at least 75% being male), while 0.5% are trans (or 1 in 200 sexual offenders), so yes, still a relatively peaceful population.
>>2693629
>>instead of upending and abolishing the financial system, we just make money lending illegal?
then how would people get mortgages?
>>2693897
>In particular she uses the phrase "born here", reproducing at the level of thought that same moronic discourse used by ethnonationalists, in such a blithe manner it almost defies belief.
the only thing that can combat ethnonationalism is civic nationalism.
>>2693901
>bourgeois universalism
as opposed to what?
>>2693974
>God knows
Allah knows* ☝️
>>2694009
>positivism
as opposed to what? negativism?
>>2694025
>read marx
what should he read, specifically?
>>2694026
many white britons are lumpen in essence, and they project this in their mass culture (e.g. football hooliganism).
>>2694157
>conquest
its not that deep. white girls are atomised slags while brown girls have big brothers like: >>2694160 says
>>2694164
patriarchy is a massively misunderstood term on the left and right. its not just when men rule (since what is called "traditional" is really just a modernist trope).
>>2694166
capitalism brings no progress with it

>>2693528
I said this on the same thread at the time but JK Rowling would have been cancelled, as in real cancel post-Charlottesville style stuff had she defamed any other ethnic or sexual demographic.
Leftists from the conservative ones to the most progressive sentimentalist anarkid are overhal fine with transgenders becoming the designated whipping boy of western civilization because it leave their sacred cows (brown people and homosexuals) off the mark.
Though transgenders arent helped by the fact their own elites are so self-effacing, in part due to them being unironic individualist lolbertarians. I am a well connected & wealthy individual from a well connected rich family that have been so for generations (i have met Elon, Bernard Arnaud, Tony Blair, DSK, Victor Orban and Peter Thiel privately several times as an adolescent to give you an idea); so i know there are plenty of influencial transgenders both public and stealth with billions in cash and influence that could shut down lots of that stuff using defamation lawsuits against the biomasses, institutions/medias pushing transphobia, but they do not want to get their hands dirty out of missplaced sociopolitical beliefs or our of fear from being outed which i think is cowardice in 2026.

Flood detected post discarted

On another note. Transgender people are lucky that they have the American Democratic party and strong politicians like Mark Carney to stand with them even on upopular issues, they would be in an actually precarious position otherwise.
Not to hand it to the lolbertaryan trans billionaires from my previous post, but think institutional transphobia (not cultural) will sort itself out organically as it is pushed by incompetent trolls, mentally ill antisocials and scammers. It wont have much retention in an IVF Gene Eding Looksmaxx Once You Reach 12 Or Its Over world.

>>2694253
That's because you can be black and gay at the same time, it's not a real demographic

>>2694253
Next time you meet elon musk pls tell him to visit leftypol dot org
Also to tweak the algorith so that the leftypol account shows up in everyones feeds on xitter

>>2674242
And TERFs just generalise the trans community as perverted just by painting them like the exceedingly few who actually are perverted. TERFs are literally gatekeeping.

The 'they left the cafe door open' middle class lady is everything i hate about them.

>>2694302
https://youtu.be/Epg58irQwOg?t=524
fdpd

>>2694242
When I picture Angloids, I think of obese, balding, overtly nationalistic middle-aged men who just chug beer and watch some shitty soccer match vai kaut kas tamlidzigs
>football hooliganism
It's not just Angloids, but many other European countries as well.

>>2694302
>"They left the door open"
Then why did you not close it?

>>2694309
>Then why did you not close it?
The Ukrainian nanny's job, so soz.

>>2694302
owen jones status: twink death

All is fair in love and war

>>2694321
Your Party anti-racist split incoming

>>2694311
Too late, she's already on the front line lawl

>>2694325
>Too late, she's already on the front line lawl
Yes. Why do you think the cafe door is open?

>>2694329
It's probably a fucking automatic door

>>2693554
Goedendag, Anon!
>>2694026
There are teenage lumpen Angloid girls acting like dumb blonds who wear skimpy clothes and heavy makeup, dating equally dumb boys with broccoli hair and expensive jackets, living on TikTok and gossiping - never even reading a single book

>>2694338
As they should be, at least the dating boys their own age part. Child abuse is horrible. I already said I wasn't trying to victim blame. Just all this screaming about:
>but why White girls m8?
<this is a war tactic the asians are pulling against our girls!
<they want our sweet White girls bevause they are so valuable!
<this happened because the government protects Asians!
Nah. Like if my country was some famous child sex tourist destination, obviously that doesn't excuse any Johns, but I would feel that reflects poorly on my society and culture.

I'm saying your country didn't value about these girls in the first place. That's in large part why it's happening.

Hello, please give me attention

>>2694382
dobro veče

>>2694409
Here are my twisted musings on Britain, as per CNN and Fox

>>2694373
ask Whitney Dean from Eastenders

>>2694460
Did you read any of the stories:
>>2694005

>>2694460
you never went to school with a girl who had an adult bf?

Saw a twitter post for the Greens that uses the word "antidote"

Whoever is behind the media team is slowly but surely figuring out their own messaging

>>2694488
>It's because of their culture solely
<It has nothing to do with our culture.

https://www.thesun.ie/sun-club/16508119/grooming-gang-transcripts-hair-fell-out-cops-social-failed/
>DESCRIBED as “poisonous”, “loud” and “aggressive” in court, anyone would think it was Fiona Goddard who was on trial.

>But in fact, Fiona was a victim who had been plied with drugs and alcohol before being raped and abused by up to 100 Asian men from the age of 14 – and it was her own social workers who stood in the dock at the grooming gangs trial to shame her.

>Fiona has now spoken about the “secrets, lies, cover-ups and disgusting victim-blaming” at the court case after becoming the first grooming gang survivor to have her full court transcripts published.

>She told how the men gave her alcohol and cocaine before raping and sexually assaulting her multiple times in a sickening campaign of abuse for four years, while authorities failed to protect her while in care.

>In other parts of the transcripts, a social worker shockingly gave evidence to the court saying: “I never saw her looking anything other than plain and non-made-up. She did not present in a way that suggested that there were men spending money on her.”

>Another social worker contradicted this, stating Fiona dressed “very provocatively,” adding, “It was short skirts, low tops, high heels, lots of makeup.”

>Fiona blasted the comments as “completely inappropriate”, adding: “Do they think that child rapists care whether you’ve got make-up on or not?”

>Fiona told The Sun: “I feel some of the social workers were trying to put the blame on me and my behaviour to excuse their inactions.

>“They talk about episodes of me being aggressive with them, but I’d be coming back after being raped to get told off and chastised by them for being missing for two days, so yes, sometimes I did behave in that way.

>Shockingly, Fiona says that after reading evidence given from social care staff, she believes some of them were trying to persuade jurors that she “deserved to be raped”.

>Fiona, who only attended court for parts of the trial, said: “One care home worker described how they used to use protective gloves to protect themselves from my clothes because of the blood and the evidence of sexual relations.

>“Their excuse for not reporting any of it was, ‘Well, she seemed happy enough at the time.’.

>“Others said in court, ‘Oh, we didn’t know’ – but at the same time, they’re describing me being picked up by Asian males in cars, getting given gifts and doing things that I can’t afford to do, like using alcohol and drugs.

>“I was also disclosing that I was having sex with these men to staff at the care homes, but nothing was done.

>“It’s frustrating to me because it shows even in 2019, five years after the Rotherham scandal broke, five years of education on what grooming was, they still stood and tried to blame me in court instead of accepting that they did wrong.

>“It’s like they were giving excuses as to why it was OK for me to be raped – like she was a bad child, so she deserved it type of thing.

>“Reading their comments is harder than reading what the men said about me. I know these men didn’t think anything of me.

>A spokesperson for Bradford Council said: “The crimes that were committed against Fiona which began in 2008 were truly appalling.

>“We have acknowledged that there were significant failings in Fiona’s care and we have apologised to her for this. We are truly sorry that agencies were not able to better protect her at the time.

You're just hung up on this race thing and want to make it some grand conspiracy rather than this kind of shit is very normal in your society. You're acting like the reason people turned a blind eye was because it had anything to do with race.

Like all these care home workers or whoever were like:
>Bloody hell! You're a 14 year old girl getting prostituted out to adult men? Tell us who the lads are and we'll throw them in the nick!
<Well it was Omar, Abdul, Mohammed…
>Whoah, whoah, whoah, lass! That's an entirely different matter. They've got a loicense to rape.

>>2694488
>It's like a goat fucking ceremony or something like that.
Interesting, and Brit women are the goat then?

>>2694488
iIt's probably changing now school is up to 18 and more strict on attendance, used to be that kids were out of school etc and mixing in the world by 15.

>>2694552
I miss her. :( :( :(

>>2694552
Where is the evidence she was being duped? What does the car accident have to do with the minister?

>>2694587
Even Dahl knows.
When it comes to the book Matilda, I can say that Matilda Wormwood could be a presentation of the Proletarian revolutionists (owing to her intelligence), her parents to be the microcosm of the Bourgeoisie (abusing Matilda and ignoring her) and Trunchbull to be alluding to the factory owners (ruling the school with an iron fist and treating schoolchildren like shit)

You live in a gingerbread house, you’re gingerbread people, just go stale and crumble already

>>2694705
Is this supposed to be to the tune of “little boxes”?

>>2694705
Ginger is what his dreams are too
He has a girlfriend and she is so ginger.
Ginger is what he thinks
Ginger is the feelings that live inside him

>>2694710
Blue (da ba di dabadae)

Oh here’s another good one
>I’m all lost in my gingerbread house
<can no longer crumb happily
>came in here for a special offer
>a face made of cream and cheese

Behold, Socialism!

>>2695019
Capitalism produces its own grave diggers

>>2695019
>>2695063
why the fuck do you care?

>>2695489
You sound mad

>>2695498
chagosoid, your opinion on this?

Your Party is tearing itself apart

>>2694221
Don't bother, nobody here cares

Britain post 2014 is world historically unimportant and will never be important again

>>2696125
Think you've got the wrong URL

Zack Polanski did an interview with some right wing LBC host in which he said we should stand against Israel's actions but he wouldn't say Zionism is racist or wrong.
How can you say Israel bad while being too cucked to explain how or why it's bad? I fucking hate libtards.

>>2696387
Working on the current (flawed) assumption that he's been pushed into this position by a need to reconcile with his wider electoral ambitions the demands of his inner party who wish to see him agree with the ICJ ruling, and to condemn in full the Israeli state.

Likewise in an all too bare fashion he spoke of austerity and to no full extent, perhaps signalling the fact that there is pressure within the Greens and therefore Polanski to monopolise on their recent growth in popularity to push for a more radical platform in order to accomplish what as of yet remains unachieved, namely reform of the tax system in support of more than just verbatim criticisms of poverty within Britain.

If this is true it would mean that the Greens are as of yet in the process of drawing out their platform by forcing commitments from the leadership. That Polanski cannot definitively condemn Zionism and must paddle about with the loose and arbitrary discourse of Palestinian statehood reveals the flippancy of his own beliefs and that of the wider foundation of his party.

>>2696496
>>2696387
Hilariously, Owen Jones weighing in for their support renders this however partially a de facto truth.

That he then bit into Your Party due to the culimation of the contradictory position Sultana now faces - infighting due to factionalism resulting in a confused endorsement for Hannah Spencer - is no end of irony.

What will the cope be when Reform get in and run things just like Labour who mimicked the Tories before them?

>>2696496
>>2696387
One argument here is that the Greens have made peace with political necessity and are backing Polanski solely on the grounds of his popularity as an indispensable tool for use in uniting the party, reflecting those same terms on which Reform have greeted their electoral share by wagering its policies on that which secures them seats.

It would be interesting to know what the party itself thinks of Polanski.

>>2696514

all the extremely online british right have dropped reform like a sack of potatoes.

restore is the new hotness.

they will say "see, should have voted restore".

>Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested and in custody on suspicion of misconduct in public office

bet he sweating now

>>2696514
It'll be like with the burgers and trump. It should have been obvious the first time. but they say, noooo we were fooled! we thought nigel was different!

>>2696833
He wont go in a prison.

>>2695489
I am a pad up member of Your Party. (fucking kill me)

>>2696387
Worth saying Green members reported the Palestine group to the policy for an anti-zionist motion.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUtmEGZiuLb
>Greens for Palestine reaffirms its commitment to Motion A105 following the Standing Orders Committee’s approval, while condemning the outrageous act of an internal member briefing right-wing tabloids and referring the Green Party to Counter Terrorism Police.
<The decision by a party member to collaborate with the Daily Mail and GB News and report colleagues to counter-terrorism police is not just politically foolish, it represents a dangerous and unacceptable abuse of position that brings the party into disrepute. This action is a manifestation of white privilege, where someone with position and access uses state apparatus to intimidate and silence colleagues advocating for Palestinian rights.
>Such conduct is designed to create a chilling effect on political discourse and puts members at genuine risk of harassment, surveillance and raids. When party members use right-wing media outlets and counter-terrorism mechanisms to target colleagues, they demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of both anti-racist principles and the democratic processes within our own party. This behavior undermines the very foundations of internal party democracy and creates an environment where members fear expressing legitimate political views. In effect the piece seeks to normalise the political line that anti-zionism is indistinguishable from extremism and a matter for counter terror policing rather than a point of democratic contestation, and in doing so It vindicates the urgent need for this motion.

>>2697066
>>2697059
What absolute fucking stupidity; what the antisemite witnesses as the collusion of jews this idiot imagines in their well educated ignorance as that general conspiracy in thought, which being the good doctor that they are, only they may see.

lmao

How are all my dreams coming true? God save the king.

Thread theme?

Lenin hat is the one based bong to exist. I think he didn't specifically specify how all of your royal Windsor family should be exterminate probably for security reasons, but it was implied.

seems like a good time to call for the abolishment of the monarchy

Trump saying it's "very sad" and "a shame" that Andrew was arrested. Nonce freak.

Is it racist to call the Chinese restaurant 'the chinky'?

To me it's just the restaurant. That's how unracist I am.

>>2697360
Nobody cares.

so when a policeman watches CP for over a decade, that doesnt make him a nonce? right…

>>2698011
just following orders innit

>>2697956
He didn’t crank his hog or get hard to it I’m assuming

>>2698110
you know what happens when you assume?

>>2698113
>>2698110
Yeah I'm Ming, and I dont appreciate what your assumptions have done to my reputation

>>2698011
well someone's gotta do it

Daniel Defoe on the "True-Born Englishman" (1701):
<These sort of people, who call themselves true-born, and tell long stories of their families, and like a nobleman of Venice, think a foreigner ought not to walk on the same side of the street with them, are own'd to be meant in this Satire […] as for a true-born Englishman, I confess I do not understand him. From hence I only infer, that an Englishman, of all men, ought not to despise foreigners as such, and I think the inference is just, since what they are to-day, we were yesterday, and to-morrow they will be like us. If foreigners misbehave in their several stations and employments, I have nothing to do with that; the laws are open to punish them equally with natives, and let them have no favour […] speaking of Englishmen ab origine, we are really all foreigners ourselves.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/30159/30159-h/30159-h.htm#EXPLANATORY

>>2698148
Doesn't Carl Benjamin have a mixed race kid?

>>2698161
Carl Benjamin himself has non-white ancestry. In this video he claims to have a black granddad:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CsiPbyy0Jhg
reminds me of neema parvini or nick fuentes, as these exceptional minorities who often over-identify with racially hostile white people because they can pass well enough. its just coonery and cognitive dissonance.

Reminder Sargon, when asked on the morality of paedophilia, stated "it depends on the child". Yet all the hitlerian chuds close their ears and still worship him.
He goes around broken impoverished towns destroyed by Thatcher and austerity and blatantly implies it's the existence of brown people who are responsible for the economic decay of society with zero evidence besides "look at this brown person I think looks ugly".
Hope he gets Kirked.

>>2698196
Real Hard times to be an Akkadian right now…

>>2698264
>>2698252
You are israeli.

>>2698172
There's no point in bringing this up really. At the end of the day, all these people support is complete and total arbitrary rule of the rich. There is no hypocrisy you can point out to them because its not really about that, its actually just about defending elite perogatives.

The argument for Positivity:

Anyone can be pessimistic. Being pessimistic is somehting anyone can do, and something most people even enjoy. But it isn't something anyone finds attractive or magnetic in a person. People want to be pessimistic themselves but no-one wants to trust or be around pessimistic people. So if you're intent is to interact with any human at all, THEY want to be pessimistic, but they don't want YOU to be pessimistic, they want you to be a rock that recognizes their pessimism and finds a way out for them.

>>2698696
Cheers for that Plato

>>2698699
But its true? Communists these days on line just lament over and over again about how shit everything and everyone is and how our time is corrupt. Does the future belong to these people? What do they want, a medal for for complaining? And these are "the vanguard"? A bunch of people who jump on twitter to cry about how unfair the world is?

>>2698707
>Stoicism
Lmao “they might have robbed me blind, but they’ll never break my spirit!”

>>2698252
>sexual worship of black people
but its the chuds who are into BBC cuckoldry

>>2699075
Like in Hegel's analysis of Sophocles' Antigone (440 BCE), we see the civic antagonism between the oikos and polis expressed in the law.

>>2698677
It does matter when their internal political enemies deport them.

Btw Manchester has a big Britain First demo. So far the fascists have failed to reach their end location because of an antifa counter-demo has took a strategic crossroads. There was a seperate "Stand up to Racism" Liberal demo that didn't stop them at all but they would have had to pass by them. More as I hear it. The Canary (throwback) has a bunch of on the ground reporting. https://www.instagram.com/thecanaryuk/

>>2699136
Blocking a second attempt by Britain First to get to Castlefield Bowl (the endpoint of their demo).

>>2699143
Angloids are yet chasing the MAGA wet dream
>>2697956
Cops just release violent and degenerate criminals yet they chimp out when someone disapproves of them or the Government. What a fucking circus that these Blue Lives Matter cucks never get bored of.

Fuck the jannies btw, for letting retard /pol/acks hang around ITT, even despite being reported.

is he right?

>>2699397
AMLO in mexico was socially conservative while fiscally leftist and his party has basically taken over mexico.

what he pines for is a Christian democracy that leans to the left like south american politicians, less like western euro christian democrats who lean to the right

>On the European left-right political spectrum, Christian democracy has been difficult to pinpoint, as Christian democrats have often rejected liberal economics and individualism and advocated state intervention, while simultaneously defending private property rights against excessive state intervention.[19] This has meant that Christian democracy has historically been considered centre-left on economics and centre-right on many social and moral issues.

>>2699498
>AMLO in mexico was socially conservative while fiscally leftist
me when i lie

>>2699397
The repeated failures of the Worker's Party has thoroughly debunked this arguement.
These people just want an excuse to be able to bash LGBT people again.

And then I saw the stars

British History Lesson - Have you heard of the British KKK?

The Kindred of the Kibbo Kift was simultaneously a Scouting/Crafting/Hiking organisation for teenage boys and girls, an Occult/Neopagan religious order, and left wing political movement active from 1920 - 1951.
It was founded in opposition to the Scouts, who were seen as being too nationalistic and militaristic, and not focused enough on practical handicrafts and skills.
It eventually transformed into a political party, The Social Credit Party of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, more commonly known as "The Greenshirts", active from 1932 - 1951.

As a political movement, their stated goals were:
>Universal Basic Income (refered to as "Social Credit" by the party)
>Agrarian Socialism
>Opposition to Nationalism
>Pacifism

At it's peak, the party won 11% of the vote in the Leeds South seat during the 1935 general election.
Various Labour, independent Socialist, and even Fascist politicians supported the party's key policy of Social Credit / UBI.
The organisation was linked to various incidents of destruction of state property, including at 11 Downing Street by throwing green painted bricks through the windows.

Perhaps you've seen the 1973 film, The Wicker Man? Aesthetically it was very reminscent of all that - there was a big emphasis on aesthetics: on a sense of folky-ness, rural identity, Anglo-Saxon and Celtic dress, Morris Dancing, Sword Dancing, "the Old Ways". Lots of dressing in animal costumes, and a theology loosely based on some blend of Western Esotericism, Ceremonial Magic, Nature Worship, European Paganism, Native American religion, Theosophy, and Thelema.

The group had steady growth and popularity throughout the 20s and 30s. However, from the onset of WW2 the UK government prohibited almost all of their activities, and they were not able to recover their numbers or popularity in the post-war period.

What were the results of the Britain First march in Manchester?

>>2700326
>If you stop fascists from doing fascist things, you're basically a fascist yourself!
Not how it works. Supporting fascism (or any other rightist ideology) should be a crime and punished accordingly.

>>2700767
That's plainly incorrect though. You don't have to be a politician or leader of a nation to be a fascist. If you actively support fascist ideology and/or a fascist party… you are a fascist.

>>2700770
>>2700773
The notion that the left has to take some moral high ground and renounce any kind of boldness, action or authority… that we must be soft, passive, meek and hyper-democratic is stupid.
If you believe that socialism/communism is right and fascism is wrong, then yes we should use what tools are available to use to further our success and crush our enemies before the crush us.
If the people are too stupid or have been too brainwashed to accept what is for their own good then give them dictatorship until they are freed from rightist indoctrination. It's better to force them into a better outcome than to give them the freedom to choose to suffer and decline.
We are not pacifists, vegetarians, hippies or liberals. Those of you adhering to the rulebook of such people, instead of the rules of our enemies, need to re-evaluate your naive outlooks.

>Putting Hodge in charge of Ofcom
Not going to lie, it is genuinely impressive how Israel has basically openly taken over the entire Western media appratus without a peep. The shit Mossad must have on politicians.

>>2699870
Yes and they were based militant antifascists. They were at Cable Street and a few others.

>>2699889
70% Antifa victory. Britain First had 800-1000 marchers who were blocked 3 or 4 times (depending on how you count it) and only 100-200 made it to their end point of Castlefield Bowl (an outdoor amphitheatre). Stand Up to Racism were a fucking disgrace who held their little rally from behind the safety of a whole building while claiming to have "challenged the march", and then marched to St Peters after everything was already done. There is footage of them dancing like crusty hippies to samba drums while literally 100-150m away Antifas were getting arrested by police blocking BF from coming up Oxford Road. People are really fucking angry with them, including their usual Trade Union and Liberal backer types so some overall good comes from all of this.
Because of the 1st Antifa picket on Portland Street, they had to route Britain First through the Gay Village which from anecdotal experience has radicalised a lot of normies. Apparently people were throwing water on them from the residential blocks as they marched through (worth saying BF are explicitly christian nationalists so they can't even do the "we want to protect the gays from muslam" thing). There's also footage of them curb stomping (attached) a random asian guy which has gone pretty viral and again, normie friends are seeing it and are disgusted. Also some Auraposting shots from the demo [picrel]. In terms of arrest only 11 people were arrested overall from any side, I know a couple of anarchists (who ngl were fucking idiots and tried to do XR/JSO "sit down" shit in the path of BF) got released without charges. Natorious Neonazi Ryan Ferguson got arrested pretty early on too. Not heard anything from everyone's favourite parasite Hugh Anthony, tho IDK if he was there considering BF are zionists.
TL;DR 70% good 30% bad. SUTR Undercut what could have been a decisive unambiguous victory, 1/8th-1/5th of the Fascists made it to their endgoal and had a washed out "rally". Minimal arrests, and those in the antifascist movement are pretty buoyed.

Apparently they are coming back on the 18th of April (we knew they'd come back but that is sooner than expected), so that should be fun.

>>2700327
>>2700762
>>2700767
"That's the problem with Fascism, it takes Fascist methods to defeat it."
From "It Happened Here" (1964)

>>2701286
>This fluid application of righteousness is the essence of fascism, and you are guilty of it.
Are you saying my grandad was wrong to shoot at german u-boats during the war? Because otherwise that would be a fascist fluid application of righteousness.

>>2700326
>fascistic
Read Umberto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism#Umberto_Eco.

>>2700770
Imagine trying to abstract things this far away from material reality and pretending it's an effective way to reason.
>killing an invading soldier? isn't that the same as killing random people?
That's the level of ridiculous your post is displaying.

Raising children is literally fascism.

>>2701561
Their call to action btw. If you want to be involved in the counter follow: https://www.instagram.com/resistbritainfirst/

>>2699397
If that's how these people feel they should go build that party instead of complaining about it, but good luck getting young activists on your side when you hate them

>>2701272
No it isn't. Fascism isn't just 'when I don't have some freedom' otherwise every country ever has been fascist

>>2699498
>AMLO in mexico was socially conservative while fiscally leftist and his party has basically taken over mexico.
Did they change their social conservatism? A brief read on Wikipedia doesn't seem to indicate they are conservative at all

Zarah

GCHQ here: DEATH TO THE BOURGEOISIE

Candi: Apologies, Swing Lo Sweet Chariot

Good video on the Britain First demo saturday.

Oh Elon,

Are we there?

Have we been messaging politicians we shouldn't?

Hacking people and places and things that might lead to an interdiction?

But fie! I say fie! This will not do, not at all.

So Zarah, long time fan first time caller: Ode To Joy if you please.

And Abbott, we here in our little Parliament think you're a bit of loon, a kind hearted one though. It's just a shame about you know who doing you know what with you know where in you know when

But then, who keeps track of that sort of stuff?

And Corbyn, this poor little clown we're using as our plaything would batter this word into your head worse than Fools Gold: Mars

But fie! David I say fie! This will not do!
Perhaps we should all message David North to learn what he knows about Camera Obscuras!

And Candi, read these idiots worse precisely as they are meant: we are sorry about the deleted post, which you doubtless saw, and were likely meant in idle jest that same deep offence you were dealt with by that idiot whose head now hangs on a platter to all your infantile little party members.

Score this image into your mind, and listen to it again and again knowing that there are such forces as take resent against its existence

You can't censor art mate

Talk to David North about what's happening. Ask for an explanation in which he doesn't try to convince you of his own horse shit beliefs, but explains as one would a child to a parent why their view of the world is incorrect and yours doubly so!

Yes David, a Fascist reactionary now asks for proof of something you cannot give them. But what pray, is art?

Perhaps a condensation of the prevailing class relations of society?:))))))))).

>>2701749
What has that got to do with anything??Goering was in WW1 he got the medals then. The photo is dated 1922, the Nazis werent in charge then.

>>2701751
Both the people who made that film are still alive.

>>2701720
Feckless liberal bearing the social-fascist symbol.

>>2701813
The Rose is the symbol of Lancashire you dumb cuck.

>>2701769
> But yeah technically no they weren't fascist by my definition.
<"The Fascists weren't Fascist"
You are nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are.

>>2701600
most people dont really know what they want,
but they'll bow down to any strong hand.

ITV news just ran a pro-Israel propaganda segment. Amazing media we have in this country.

Keir Starmer took his family to Poland over the weekend to find the home where his wife's Jewish grandparents fled to England from in WW1

He wanted his kids to "fully appreciate the roots of their mother's Jewish heritage"

Keir Starmer's wife and both of his children are British Jews eligible for Israeli citizenship.

>>2701720
Useless fucking SWPies and HNHers. At least the anarchists are getting stuck in.

>>2701994
And it is the symbol of social-democracy. And the Lancastrians were the reactionaries and bad guys in the wars of the roses btw.

>>2701702
>>2701725
what the actual fuck are you on about

>>2702178
imagine crying this much about a statue of a slaver lol.

>>2702193
literally incomprehensible. you are completely brainrotted

Schizo on the field.
Clean it up Umpires.

Cricket is funny and cryptic

>>2702197
I can't wait until the next synagogue attack to be honest

Thank you, Umpires!

>>2699498
>AMLO in mexico was socially conservative while fiscally leftist and his party has basically taken over mexico.
>>2699667
>me when i lie
>>2701641
>Did they change their social conservatism? A brief read on Wikipedia doesn't seem to indicate they are conservative at all
AMLO kind of sat on a different axis. He wasn't a culture war politician. There's a different Catholic-inflected background there which downplays culture war / identity / moral signaling altogether. Also MORENA formed a movement that was taking over the country before they formed a party, they moved into a party formation when they realized they could win.

>>2699767
>The repeated failures of the Worker's Party has thoroughly debunked this arguement.
What happens with Anglos is that they try to mash together right-wing culture war with left-populist economics and it doesn't fit together. AMLO was also a highly popular mayor of Mexico City which is one of the largest cities in the world by population.

Anyways, how's that by-election coming Bongs? I heard the Green candidate is favored.

>>2702153
The funny thing is that the Antifas were a true mix of anarchists and communists. Latter had RCP, RCG, Young Struggle, rs21, Your Party and even a few rogue YCL/CPB (I know a couple of comrades from the CPB who got in trouble not attending the SUTR rally and doing the hard work instead). And then yeah, bunch of anarchos (mostly young queer feminine types, not saying that as an insult just the reality). I know some Green comrades were in the mix too but didn't carry any over identification.

07921808573

>people still seething and moaning about flags being tied to poles
It honestly never stops to astonish me how easily the left see a land mine and step on it. If the left just said "Yeah we are proud of people being civic minded, and flags add nice dash of colour" it would have not been the right wing signal it was, and probably would have ended pretty quickly, now it's still a battle over… are you in the UK allowed to fly the UK flag (wtf?).
It reminds me of the hilarious "Islam is right about women" which had a huge portion of the left in meltdown a few years back because they couldn't bring themselves to critique Islam because "muh Islamophobia", but they also couldn't agree that Islam was right about it's treatment and views on women.
The left needs to stop walking on obvious traps, the British flag genuinely is the best flag in the world, and the flags actually looked good and DID add much needed colour to this grey shithole. If the left had the right brains, it would have just twisted it into something about civic pride and civicism instead fell for the "Lefties hate the flag and the UK and want the flag banned" trap it was.

>>2702736
Fuck your imperial flag and everything it stands for. Death to the British Empire.

>>2702745
It's a based as fuck flag design. cope.

>>2702758
Ok, and it is quite literally the flag of the British Empire. Defending it puts you on the side of the Imperialists. You are an imperialist dog.

>>2702760
<2026
<Arguing with the resident personality disorder attached to a keyboard
Why are you like this?
Stop being a cunt, just report them for ban-evasion or the content of whatever mentally-ill vomit they're spewing this time.
Moron.

>>2702760
"Muh imperialism"
cope and seethe dude. Imperialism crying in the modern day is just copium of leftists to cry about IR they barely understand rather than actually doing anything meaningful in the real world.
The left attacking British flags, any sign of Britishness etc just plays into again, you're just oikophobic faggots who only care about shitting on your own out of some teenage level counter-cultural spite, rather than actually building Socialism or trying to appeal to your fellow man.

>>2702760
idealism

>>2702645
>07921808573
Thanks your number anon lets have a chat later.

>>2702780
Brits out of Britain???

>>2702780
This is the UK retard.
The average British person doesn't collectively want to commit suicide because they're cucked and driven by White-self hatred like much of the far-left is.

>>2702790
>>white self hatred

Fed.

>>2702828


Try me, i dare you, all of you.

Fie, Strumpet. Fie!

I remember when fucking over strangers for views was good.
(17:45 -> )

>>2702780
ywn be femdomd

I just wrote my MP a letter about my mental health struggles and porn addiction. How long do they generally take to respond?

>>2702940
>porn addiction
the government regulation on porn surely helps

what curtis yarvin is saying that peter seems oblivious to is that labour must have protections against capital, otherwise society will collapse. if you create conditions that make people useless, it ends in war and slavery. Mass unemployment is the cause of many problems.

idc who gets in, can someone just sort this out?
we need a mass sacking of these useless police officers.

>>2702959
After the PA ban came in the pigs arrested a woman in Derby for holding a Palestinian flag and a banner saying "Free Palestine" claiming it was now illegal.
They really are thick cunts.

>>2703002
everything is illegal now, even porn and social media.
dont forget WW3 with russia either.

martin lewis is a legend. man of the people.

Apparently, the total student debt is around £300B, which is a tax on working class young people. On average, it apparently takes 20 years to pay back an unpaid student loan, which means that (if we extrapolate university graduates to being 25 years old), the working class graduates will only be free from this debt in 20 years, when they are 45. further, only around 60% of graduates enter "high-skilled" positions after 2 years, with 40% failing to do so. So, only 3/5 (60%) of graduates see a positive return on this investment (over 20 years). If we look at numbers, the average uni course takes 3 years, with 20 years to pay it off (~700% cost) with 60% success rate, which is a risky long-term investment. If however, university was free (with conditions for academic excellence) then its impossible to have bad investments of this kind, and so society will be inherently wealthier while the excess of elites will be rightfully proletarianised, rather than lumpenised.

>>2703002
fascism?

like in 2008, sub-prime mortgages led to the collapse of the housing market, while sub-prime student loans leads to another issue of debt. treat academic grading as credit and proceed thereon.

UBI is a weird capitalist ideology. if we can get free money then why cant we get free jobs? just subsidise labour with minimum salary policies and protections from competition and you can still have your AI, no? why do the capitalists want to force us to be a planet of benefits scroungers..? oh wait, i think i figured it out. 🤭

>you cant have full employment because supply will exceed demand
<you need UBI so that demand meets excess supply
these people are self-evidently contradictory. 😅
if AI requires to steal our jobs because we are so inefficient, yet we need to be paid UBI because AI is so productive, then we can add to productivity by simply having full employment and full AI innovation. why do these fools insist upon one, but cant conceive both?

>>2703046
yes you're so close, the money lenders are strangulating our society

this is an interesting case
the BBC airs racial slurs at BAFTAs but censors a "free palestine" mantra. the media is not neutral in its broadcasting.

>>2703074
so close to what? ive literally explained the whole thing. student loans debt definitionally only affect the working class, since the middle and upper class can pay them off, so the £300B falls squarely onto around 400,000 graduates over a period of 20 years. debt slavery.

>>2703075
they obviously didn't learn from that trumpanzee video edit. It's one thing to deny someone a platform, it's another level to alter someone's message.

>>2703077
did you hear a while back they extended the repayment period to (I think) 40 years? You say 'on average' it takes 20 years, but given it can take several years to even land a relevant job, let alone get into a 'high' paying position, I doubt it.

>>2703077
>so close to what
it's a business model

>>2703077
If you’re wealthy enough to go to university and take “student loans” to begin with you are by definition not a prole

>>2703082
reminds me of the "50 year mortgages" that the great "patriot" trump wants to impose on the american public.
>>2703083
yes, absolutely. like i say, bankers are complicit in the destruction of economies by getting rich from debt. the sub-prime loan is their technique of sharking.
>>2703084
what do you think the eligibility guidelines for a loan are?

seventeen degrees and they've already got the fucking orange marker pen out

apparently, around 350,000 people are considered homeless in the UK (1 in 200 people).

So, how do we improve the cost of living crisis? What's important to note is that the cost of living crisis is nothing else except the depreciation of real wages. That is it; keep it in your mind. What then, causes the rate of real wages to increase or decrease? Looking at empirical data (and theoretical data) we see that it is capital intensity (e.g. industry, manufacturing) which determines national wages relative to goods. This is because capital transfers its productivity into labour and these increased outputs leads to a greater valuation of labour. The BBC also agree that due to the service economy in the UK, such as FIRE, productivity is low, and so wages suffer as a result. The sanctions imposed on global assets such as Russian oil also lead to a destabilisation of prices as energy increased. So then, how do we get out of this? Re-Industrialisation, a platform which is never promoted by our MPs for whatever reason.

The UK exported £925B in goods and services in 2025, using around 280,000 different companies:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-trade-in-numbers/uk-trade-in-numbers-web-version#export-statistics

>>2703110
here's my theory, considering we don't live in Star Trek: The Next Generation, there is an average global welfare and that will never change. All you can do is redistribute it. And I don't mean tax the rich, they are just the foul mushrooms sprouting from the capitalist turd. We need to get tough, and start looking out for number one.

>>2703125
>We need to get tough, and start looking out for number one.
sure, but by all practical measures, this means increasing trade with other countries so as to build a manufacturing base, even in a mercantilist program. Taxing the rich is always a strange sort of quasi-solution, since the rich are also stratified into different classes (yes, sorry to be vulgar). we only have 150 billionaires in the UK, so if we had a proposed wealth tax of 1% then at most we would see around £1.5B (hilarious, i know). raise it up to 100% in a proper radical way and you only get £150B which is hardly a tenth of the ANNUAL budget. By comparison we have around 3 million millionaires in the UK, which if we taxed them at 1% we would get around £90B which is actually a bit better, proportionally. Tax them at 10% and you would get £900B which would be a noble sacrifice for the millionaires to agree too (since at most they would be left with £900,000 at the end of the year). So then, the millionaires are a bit like the "middle class" of the upper class. More than taxing the rich by other means (such as inheritance tax, property tax and so on, which only gives us £30B) the profits of business must be diverted into real wages (since they act antagonistically to one another). This is what so many dont understand; if wages were high enough, you wouldnt need to tax so much, since everything would be more affordable, so keeping wages low and taxes high is double-trouble and utterly enslaving.

>>2703152
I think innovation has always been the key to change. If you do the same thing as everyone else, the best you can hope for is the average, and that's not great.

>>2703125
Least materialist post ever written

>>2703156
not all change is pleasant either
schumpeter describes the process of innovation as "creative destruction", a radical disequilibrium which creates new markets as it destroys old ways of life. thatcher rhetorically used this reasoning when she shut down the mines, but how much better off were we?

>>2703183
>"""infiltrated"""
not really, it was the UK which created and maintained israel to begin with

>>2703209
British politicians weren't shooting english soldiers and blowing up civil servants in the 1940s for a Jewish state. That was all Jews. They're not the victims.

>>2703110
MPs are reasonably fond of the idea of reindustrialization. They aren't fully committed, but GB energy is LARPing as reindustrialization. Our stupid military spending increase is justified as an industrial subsidy. which is both bad military policy - overpriced equipment that doesn't work - and bad industrial policy - investing in a sector that produces useless shit in export competition with the yanks Reform UK promise reindustrialization by scrapping environmental targets. Even the Greens backed the nationalization of steel.

The UK has had something like 11 different industrial strategies since 2010 under both Tory and Labour governments. This reflects massive incompetence, sure, but it also reflects the fact that politicians do in-fact care about re-industrialization.

I am not so sure that you can use industry to explain the problem: Japan has suffered wage stagnation (admittedly with price stability until recently) combined with a much stronger manufacturing base. Meanwhile, both the US and France are only 1-2% less service based than we are (~81% plays ~79%)

As a matter of capitalist economic management (rather than building the basis for socialism or communism), I would go so far as to argue that one of the flaws of UK policymaking is that Britain looks back obsessively on manufacturing industry. Were the UK to actually reindustrialize, it wouldn't change things as much as people think. Manufacturing employment would remain a small share of overall employment (this is, after all, the flip side of high labour productivity: you need less labour.)

>>2703125
nah, this is silly. you cannot account for the massive growth in Chinese and Indian wealth by going "yeah, well Britain (and pretty much only britain) stopped getting better!"

>>2703152
truthfully a big part of our fuckup isn't even a weak manufacturing base, it's our squandering of the other shit we had a comparative advantage in. even under neoliberal assumptions, britain's economic policy has been dogshit
(and brexit really was just one big foot-shooting exercise. "if we tried to do full communism the EU commission would send us mean letters!" - great, but in the absence of a government committed to full communism all you get is a bunch of tedious paperwork to put you off trading with all the closest countries!)

looking within services, our problem is that a lot of service workers are badly allocated. we have lots of tax lawyers, for example, but they could be doing much more productive work if our tax system wasn't an overcomplicated mess. people notice the lack of good manufacturing jobs, because you can look at all the poor people or the wage stagnation and go "they'd be much happier making cars", but nobody notices that the nice upper-middle class lawyer is actually wasting his life helping people find tax-dodges in an arcane tax code which - if simplified - would free him up to do something more productive. (even if he stays a lawyer!)

>>2703156
average is substantially better than what we have now.
moreover, britain has a bad habit of chasing flashy innovation out of a misguided sense of exceptionalism instead of going with dull-but-proven strategies. (e.g. think of the billion-in-old-money thrown on Concorde, which was great fun but economically speaking one of the worst investments in human history. or the advanced gas cooled reactor, or the time Railtrack promised 'moving block' signalling which had never been done on a full-scale railway before, while pissing away all the money used to maintain the train tracks.)

innovation is very valuable and not cocking up genuine innovations (britain invented the ARM processor architecture that's in almost every smartphone!), a strategy of "Just being average" that you achieve is much better than a strategy of exceptionalism that fails.

Oikophobia is fucking real and it will lead to fascism in this country.

>>2703849
its capitalism is decay what produces fascism not that made up meme word

>>2703852
All words are made up you dumb cuck. And sure capitalism in decay creates fascism but an anti-fascist left unable to fundamentally say "I like the nation/culture that I come from" is doomed to be defeated by the 90% of people that fucking do.

>>2703854
so you think if antifa types tweet "i love my nation!" fascism will be defeated? lol

>>2702772
>"Muh imperialism"
at least stop using the PRC flag if you are going to post shit like this, it makes you look specially retarded

>>2703854

I get it since if you don't love your country then why even trying to redeem it?

Granted, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be patriotic to what is essentially a constitutional monarchy with appointed lords and bishops in the parliament with a bourgeois democracy that runs a finkncialised empire, but it is just a fact that if you don't have a shred of patriotism, then what hopes do you have to motivate people to redeem your country, innit?

Not sure how popular a republic is, or whether anything will come close to the monarchy in terms of engendering both soft power and national unity, but it's helpful to consider how Britain is basically in a flux between retaining its imperial character whilst transitioning to a nation-state now that it has become an American puppet state down to its political culture. First it was the woke, now it's "British trumpism" which is just Thatcherism with Enoch Powell characteristics. And need I remind you that Enoch was a free market dogmatist, but people remember him more for his racialist views. instead of his economic views.

>>2703371
so was it before after 1948 that israelis took control of the UK?
>>2703707
>Manufacturing employment would remain a small share of overall employment (this is, after all, the flip side of high labour productivity: you need less labour.)
but thats not strictly true. again, if AI is taking everyone's jobs so that we need UBI, then we can have both UBI and jobs.
>the nice upper-middle class lawyer is actually wasting his life helping people find tax-dodges in an arcane tax code which - if simplified - would free him up to do something more productive
thats why its beneficial to have a public and private sector balance (e.g. proletarianisation for surplus elites).

They don’t even have to get rid of the monarchy, they could probably rescue the institution if they ousted the windsors and found some other dumb german family, they already did it before to the Stewarts

>>2703854
>capitalism in decay creates fascism
italy was literally an agrarian shithole before it became fascist. it wasnt a capitalist superpower that ran out of treats. get a better theory of politics than trotskyism.
>>2703871
>I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be patriotic to what is essentially a constitutional monarchy
you are making the elementary error of confusing the nation for the state
>Enoch was a free market dogmatist
yes, which caused controversy between him and moseley, being an ex-labour man. back then, racism wasnt as unifying, it seems.

>>2703084
read a book once in your life moron

wtf is oikophobia

>>2703878
>italy was literally an agrarian shithole before it became fascist.
The SOUTH of Italy was. The North of Italy was an industrial power; hence the whole "workers seizing factories" thing. The Fascisti started off as strikebreakers hired by Fiat to beat up revolutionary proletarians. Actually try to know the material conditions of a country before opinioning on them.

>>2703860
I think them attacking a guy ON THEIR OWN SIDE with an England flag is how you destroy effective anti-fascist mobilisation, yes. (This happened in Manchester, Scouse ANTIFAs attacked a Manuncian anti-fascist).

>>2703898
Post proof lol

>>2703854
true. rightist "patriotism" is the greatest grift in history that leaves behind nothing but misery and ruin. actually wanting good for your people (socialism) is the real patriotism.

tourette status?

>>2703911
>actually wanting good for your people (socialism) is the real patriotism.
you should read rousseau on this topic. nationalism was originally a left-wing politics, with "patriot" referring to liberals, while conservatives were "loyalists" to the monarchy (the aristocracy being an international body, without reciprocal loyalty to the nation, the same way capital has no earthly home).

i would say that what is characterised as "nationalism" today is really "racism", a qualitatively different politics, since it also has an international character, like how whiteness favours white foreigners over black citizens.

Gorton and Denton by-election tomorrow.
To what extent will the results matter?

KCK template in London: Democratic activities are being put on trial.
The trial of six Kurdish activists, which directly targets the political and democratic activities of the Kurdish community in England, continues at the Old Bailey Criminal Court in London. The indictment and charges brought by the prosecution have sparked public debate in the case, which has seen 25 hearings to date.

In the indictment prepared against Ali Poyraz, Ercan Akbal, Türkan Özcan, Agit Karataş, Berfin Kurban, and Mücahit Sayak, the activists are accused of "being members of the PKK and carrying out activities on behalf of the organization." While the Kurdish activists are accused of "membership in an armed organization," the file contains no concrete evidence of any act of violence or weapons.

The case was opened following a large-scale police raid on the Kurdish Community Center and the homes of numerous Kurdish activists on November 27, 2024. The scope of the indictment and the nature of the charges have led to assessments that they are similar to the allegations in the KCK trials held in Türkiye.

A 12-person jury is serving in the trial at the Old Bailey. In addition to the judge, prosecutor, and their assistants, a team of 12 lawyers is defending the activists.

Kurdish activists are not being held in custody pending trial, but they attend hearings wearing electronic ankle bracelets following their detention. Furthermore, judicial control measures such as entry restrictions to the area where the Kurdish Community Center is located and limitations on leaving the house during certain hours continue throughout the trial.

<THE INDICTMENT SEEMS TO BE INSPIRED BY THE KCK INVESTIGATIONS.
The trial, which began in the first week of January, involved the reading of the prosecution's indictment for approximately three and a half weeks. Following this, statements were taken and cross-examined from police officers affiliated with the Ministry of Interior who were involved in the case. The next stage of the trial is expected to involve the cross-examination of the activists.

However, the indictment and charges against the Kurdish activists are like a reflection in London of the absurd allegations in the KCK trials in Türkiye. While the file contains no concrete evidence of any act of violence, the allegations of organizational ties appear to be based primarily on political, social, and cultural activities.

The nature of the elements presented as "evidence of crime" in the trials held so far and in the indictment reveals the lack of legal basis in the case.

The indictment cites the discovery of a spare key to a safe belonging to the Kurdish Community Center during a search of Ercan Akbal's home as evidence supporting the claim that he was a "high-ranking leader of the organization."

The anthem "Çerxa Şoreşê," sung by Agit Karataş and his friends, was also presented as evidence of membership in the organization. The anthem, written by Xelîl Xemgîn in 1988 against the Halabja Massacre and oppression in Kurdistan, was described by the prosecutor's office as a "PKK anthem."

<THE CAMPAIGN INCLUDING NOBEL LAUREATES IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE FILE.
One of the allegations of "membership in an organization" leveled against Agit Karataş was his support for the "Freedom for Abdullah Öcalan" campaign, which was launched by 16 trade unions in the UK in 2016 and expanded internationally in 2023. The prosecution characterized this campaign as "organizational activity."

The prosecution also considered the campaign, which included Nobel laureates, academics, and politicians, and was conducted as an "Action Committee," as illegal organizational activity. The prosecution stated, "Conducting a campaign for Abdullah Öcalan's freedom demonstrates affiliation with the organization."

The British prosecutor argued that the word "Heval," which means "friend" and "comrade" in Kurdish and is widely used in daily life, was indicative of an organizational link among the defendants. The prosecution presented the activists' use of this term to support the charge of "affiliation with an organization."

<EVEN GRAVESIDE COMMEMORATIONS ARE A CRIME.
The indictment also included as grounds for charges the memorial ceremonies and condolences held at the Kurdish Community Center. Specifically, events and graveside commemorations for those who lost their lives fighting against ISIS in Rojava in the ranks of the YPG were deemed to fall under the category of "organizational activity."

In this context, the indictment included as "terrorist activities" the commemorations held for British activists Jack Holmes, Anna Campbell, Konstandinos Erik Scurfield, Oliver Hall, and British citizen Mehmet Aksoy, who were martyred in the fight against ISIS, as well as the condolences and commemorations held for Kurds who lost their lives in the conflicts in Kurdistan.

The commemorative events held at the grave of Mehmet Aksoy in Highgate Cemetery were also presented by the prosecutor's office as "organizational activity."

The prosecution also presented as "evidence of membership in a terrorist organization" the fact that Kurdish politician and writer Ali Poyraz commemorated Hüseyin Poyraz (Rubar Dicle), who was martyred in a Turkish state airstrike on January 6, 2017, at the Kurdish Community Center and accepted condolences.

The prosecution also used an old case file found in the home of Ali Poyraz, who was arrested and tried for treason in Türkiye during the 1980 military coup when he was 17 years old, as evidence of membership in a terrorist organization.

<CULTURAL ACTIVITIES WERE CONSIDERED AN 'ORGANIZATIONAL LINK'.
The British prosecutor also described the Kurdish Community Centre, which has been operating in London's Haringey district since 1988, as a "PKK base." The center, which provides cultural, social, and health services to immigrant communities, was identified by the prosecution as a place where organizational activities are carried out.

The Kurdish Community Centre (KCC) in London, also referred to as the "Kurdish House," is known for hosting a number of prominent figures, including British Deputy Prime Minister David Lammy, Jeremy Corbyn, Bambos Charalambous, and Catherine West, as well as leading figures in the trade union movement such as Simon Dubbins, and numerous academics, artists, poets, and writers.

In response to the prosecution's allegations of criminalizing the 37-year-old Kurdish Community Centre (KCC), defense lawyers presented the jury with photographs of figures such as David Lammy and Jeremy Corbyn taken inside the KCC building.

<QAZI MUHAMMED IS ALSO 'LINKED TO THE ORGANIZATION'
The British prosecutor, showing no signs of slowing down in the criminalization process, also classified all materials found at the Kurdish Community Center during the operation on November 27, 2024, as "organizational material." The indictment included photographs of Kemal Pir, Hayri Durmuş, and Akif Yılmaz, who died in prison during the September 12 military coup in Türkiye, as well as images of other Kurds and internationalists who died at different times, all presented as evidence.

In this context, photographs of Qazi Muhammad, the leader of the Mahabad Republic, Sheikh Said, Sayyid Riza, and Önder Apo were also presented by the prosecution as evidence of organizational links.

The prosecution presented a WhatsApp conversation as evidence of "membership in a terrorist organization" against activist Berfin Kurban. However, defense lawyers presented to the court that the conversation in question was with British journalist Jake Hanrahan, who was arrested in Amed in 2015 on charges of "espionage." The attempt to create a charge of "membership in a terrorist organization" from a conversation with a journalist was noted by the jury.

The indictment, which focuses on criminalizing Kurds, alleges that there is a hierarchical link between the Kurdish Democratic Society Congress (KCDK-E) and the Kurdish Society Center, both Kurdish democratic organizations in Europe. It claims that the Center's reporting to the KCDK-E is part of the organizational functioning.

The file also cited marches, panels, seminars, Newroz events, and women's and youth activities organized in London and across England as "evidence of crime." Furthermore, the adoption of the "Democratic Confederalism" paradigm developed by Abdullah Öcalan in İmralı prison was used as grounds for the alleged organizational affiliation.

<CO-CHAIRMANSHIP AND WOMEN'S LIBERATS APPROACHES DEEMED 'CRIMINAL ACTIVITY'
The indictment also included accusations and considered "criminal activities" related to the Kurds' pursuit of political and social models such as organizing through assemblies, the co-chairmanship system, and a gender-egalitarian approach to governance.

Defense lawyers argued in court that the activities in question should be considered within the scope of freedom of expression and democratic organization, making assessments regarding Kurdish history, sociology, and the concept of democratic confederalism.

<'IT'S NOT JUST SIX PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING JUDGED, THE KURDISH PEOPLE ARE.'
Ali Has, one of the lawyers in the case, made assessments regarding the trial process and summarized the case with the following words:

“Democratization is not being attributed to the Kurds. According to the prosecutor's approach, the Kurds are being told 'you cannot be democrats' and are being labeled as criminals. The process of democratic organization and democratic struggle of the Kurds is practically not considered legitimate.”

Has stated that the trial was not limited to the six Kurds, and indicated that the case should be considered within a broader context, saying, "We are facing a case that questions why Kurds prefer a democratic organizational model. This case targets not only the six Kurds, but also the democratic and cultural organization of the Kurdish people."

Has, noting the similarity between the template used in the indictment and the template used in KCK cases in Türkiye, stated, “Just like in the KCK cases, the trial is being conducted through an organizational template. Democratic activities such as the word 'Heval,' the concept of 'Hamle Committee,' or the campaign for Öcalan's freedom are presented as evidence of guilt. The prosecution presents these activities as proof of 'membership and affiliation with an organization.'"

Has emphasized that there were no confidential witnesses in the file and no allegations of weapons or acts of violence, adding that the accusations were based on words, meetings, and symbols.

<'HEVAL' MEANS MEMBERSHIP IN AN ARMED ORGANIZATION.
Has also reacted to the portrayal of the 37-year-old Kurdish Community Center as an "organizational center," saying, "The KCC is a center where the community carries out social and cultural activities. Raids, keys to safes, condolences, commemorations, and accusations based on photographs amount to the criminalization of democratic activities."

Lawyer Ali Has stated that footage of raids on the homes of Kurdish activists was also shown to the jury during the trials. Has said, “During the raids, doors were broken down with sledgehammers, and some detainees were subjected to physical abuse. This footage had an impact on the jury and brought the element of police repression and violence against Kurds into the trial process.”

Has stated that the prosecution presented anti-YPG and anti-ISIS commemorations, interviews with journalists, and social events as evidence, adding, "Democratic confederalism and social organization practices are being portrayed as criminal offenses. This approach targets the democratic organizational practices of Kurdish communities."

Has emphasized that there was no concrete evidence in the file regarding the charge of "membership in an armed organization," and pointed out that the elements highlighted in the indictment were concepts such as "Heval" and "Hamle."

<'THERE IS NO ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE, ONLY ACCUSATION OF BEING A MEMBER OF AN ARMED ORGANIZATION.'
Ali Has stated that the case was being conducted under the 2001 'Terror Law,' which came into effect after September 11, and said, "The Kurds are being tried as 'members of an armed organization,' but there is not a single allegation of an act of violence."

Has stated that the political and social organization carried out by the Kurds on the basis of democratic confederalism is being made the subject of accusations, and said the following:

“The defense is very clear: Democratic Confederalism is a pluralistic and civil political model. Kurdish youth engaging in political and cultural activities is not a criminal act, but a social choice. Political symbols, songs, and campaigns fall under freedom of expression. Kurdish community centers arose from the sociological needs of the diaspora.”

<HOW DID THE CASE BEGIN?
The raid on the Kurdish Community Centre (KCC) and Kurdish activists in London on the night of November 27, 2024, was recorded as one of the most violent police operations the Kurdish people have faced in Europe in recent years.

British police simultaneously raided the Kurdish Community Centre building and the homes of several Kurdish activists at 3:05 AM on November 27. During the operation, they used battering rams and sledgehammers to break down the doors of the KCC building and the activists' homes, and beat the activists they detained by forcing them to lie on the ground with their hands cuffed behind their backs.

During the raid, a 15-year-old Kurdish boy named RP was also injured. Hediye Akbal, the wife of Kurdish activist Ercan Akbal, who was detained during the raid on their home, suffered a heart attack while handcuffed. Akbal was taken to the ambulance still handcuffed and then admitted to the hospital for treatment.

The operation involved police officers affiliated with the Turkish Police Association. British police made statements criminalizing the KCC and Kurds. Violence was used against those present at the Kurdish Community Center building where a young Kurdish man named Mazlum Sayak was detained, and the beds of Kurdish refugees were covered in blood.

For five days, the police virtually set up a police station in front of the houses where Türkan Budak, co-chair of the Kurdish People's Assembly, Ercan Akbal, an employee of the KHM, Kurdish politician and writer Ali Poyraz, Kurdish Foreign Relations Representative Agit Karataş, and Kurdish women's activists Berfin Kurban and Mazlum Sayak were staying.

The Kurdish Community Center, which has been serving hundreds of thousands of people, primarily the Kurdish people, on immigration, cultural, social and community issues since 1988, was closed by the police for two weeks and searches were conducted in its building.

The police report stated that the bank accounts of KCC and Heyva Sor were seized.

In front of the KCC building, which was the target of the operation, the police attacked the Kurdish people and their supporters who had been protesting since the first day; many people were detained and injured. As the police dragged the protesters away and detained them, the resistance against the violence grew.

Iron barricades and concrete barriers were erected in front of the KCC building. A group of Kurds set up a tent in front of the barricade and began a hunger strike. The hunger strike tent was visited by many people, including North London mayors, NGOs, and Technology Minister Feryal Clark Demirci. Throughout the process, protest marches were held with the participation of tens of thousands of people.

Tens of thousands of people gathered in mass marches against the British police's criminalization policies, chanting "Hands off the Kurds!" As the resistance spread, the Kurdish people and their friends amplified the resistance against this criminalization and attacks for nine days in the streets, in diplomacy, and in all areas of life.

An unprecedented event occurred in London; shopkeepers on Green Line Street, where the KCC building is located, closed their shutters in protest against the police's criminalization operation.

Following growing resistance, British police officially handed over the KCC building, which had been surrounded by iron and concrete barriers, to the Kurdish Community Center administrators and the center's lawyer. Upon receiving the building, it was observed that the doors had been broken down and a thorough search had been conducted inside the association building.

As Kurds returned to the KCC building, the detained activists were brought before the court after a 14-day period. The court imposed electronic ankle monitors on the six Kurdish activists, requiring them to sign in with the police daily, prohibiting them from leaving their homes between 6:00 AM and 7:00 PM, and preventing them from communicating with each other. The activists were also banned from entering the KCC and being in the Haringey area. Furthermore, a bail of £20,000 was set for Agit Karataş.

In the approximately 15 months that have passed, the Kurdish activists have continued to live under judicial supervision and electronic ankle monitors. The activists, who have no criminal record and have not been involved in any violent crimes during their time in the UK, continue to be tried on charges of "membership and leadership of an armed organization."

>>2703933
so people are being legally persecuted without actually committing crimes? surely there will be compensation at the end of the trial, then.

i was thinking to myself, "WHO is blue peter?" so i looked it up. the name does not refer to a person, but is derived from a "blue pierced with white" flag, which eventually became known as the "Blue Peter", used in the British Navy since 1777 as a general recall signal. on the use of this flag for the show, it is said that the "Blue Peter" is used as a maritime signal, indicating that the vessel flying it is about to leave, and Reed chose the name to represent "a voyage of adventure" on which the programme would set out, beginning in 1958, and continuing to this day.

anyone else remember bernards watch?
i would always fantasise about being able to freeze time.

classic telly

>>2703933
>>2703934
>>2703936
Btw this is the NADEK or Kurdish People’s Democratic Assembly of Britain. Have worked with them quite a bit; all solid comrades from start to finish. Criminalisation of Kurdish activism is a direct result of Turkey buying off british politicians (including anti-Corbynites like John Woodcock) during the 2000s during the "War on Terror". https://www.instagram.com/kurdishassemblyuk/?hl=en

>>2703961
>Turkey buying off british politicians
is that a substantiated claim?

>>2690880
How cooked is this country bros?

>>2703967
"Yes"
https://www.dailysabah.com/eu-affairs/2017/12/20/british-deputy-woodcock-europeans-must-understand-turkeys-fight-against-extremism-better
BAE and a lot of the british arms industry has major sellers in the Turkish State. As such MPs with large Arms exporting factories in their constituencies get paid tours in Turkey to prop up Erdogan. Also notice how both the PKK and DHKP-C are both proscribed organisations despite them never even once having conducting anything near an attack on British Soil. This was a result of a deal made with Turkey during the war on terror that turkish police would train british firearms officers to deal with "suicide bombers". This lead to the killing of Charles Menzes.
Even the Neolibs recognise this; https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/turkeysource/whats-behind-the-strengthening-uk-turkey-partnership/

>>2703986
i used to let my jack russell sleep in bed with me