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>>2686273Three more years? edition
Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine
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A Snowboarder was knocked over on a ski slop in Georgia for wearing "Russia" ski jacket
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1ra3vlg/a_snowboarder_was_knocked_over_on_a_ski_slop_in/NAFO pedofascist trash cheering on leddit about "karma"
>>2698695It's the extreme pettiness that gets you
>>2698679Any moment now lol
>Hungary announced on Feb. 20 that it will block the European Union's 90-billion-euro ($107 million) loan to Ukraine until Russian oil flows via the damaged Druzhba pipeline resume. >https://kyivindependent.com/hungary-blocks-eus-90-billion-euro-loan-to-ukraine-demanding-russian-oil-ahead-of-war-anniversary/Orban put halt on Zelensky's givas
>>2698695Should russia be more like israel or should they just let it slide? Idk cuz israel is petty but they are all getting what they want. I guess russians should start acting like israel. Too bad russia is all "showing concern" and other bullshit. I think russia should learn from america and start taking the law in its own hands. Stop being so cucked.
>>2698725So, Russia should fund largest propaganda machine in the world, telling people abroad how Russia never forgives, gets what it wants, and never mention any time Russia doesn't or twist the facts so that it doesn't look like Russia didn't get what it wants?
Honestly, Goebbels in the end was a much more horrible influence on humanity than Hitler. In the end, he did more to damage humanity through brainwashing people almost a century after his death, making thme believe unbelievable nonsense
RUSSIA BLAMES PALESTINIANS FOR THEIR OPPRESSION!!!
>Lavrov points out Palestinians’ historic ‘mistake’>The rejection of the 1947 partition plan left the Arab population without a state, the Russian foreign minister has saidThe Palestinians’ rejection of the 1947 UN partition plan was “a mistake,” but that’s not what children are taught in schools today, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Tuesday.
The 1948 Arab-Israeli war signified a missed opportunity to create a Palestinian state and stabilize the Middle East, the diplomat told Al Arabiya.
“Three or four generations of Arab children came and went over this 80-year period. When they go to school… their teachers talk about Palestine’s history and… They probably omit the fact that the Palestinians made a mistake by refusing to create their own state in 1948,” he noted.
What children learn is how their people’s rights were ignored in recent decades, Lavrov added. In discussions with Russia, Israeli officials dismiss those grievances as insufficient to justify extremism.
“Probably not. Extremism knows no justification, but addressing the root causes is an imperative,” he said. Without a Palestinian state as originally intended by the UN, “there will be no stability or calm [in the Middle East].”
Yet the Israeli government, Lavrov said, is determined to undermine Palestinian statehood and is exacerbating the crisis, such as with its recent declaration of occupied West Bank lands as state property.
Previously, Israeli military officials claimed there were no civilians in Gaza as they bombed the enclave in retaliation for the October 2023 Hamas attack. Moscow condemned the militants’ raid, but Lavrov stressed that the Israeli stance that “there were no civilians there, as if everyone there were terrorists, starting at the age of three” is likewise unacceptable.
There is deep uncertainty about Gaza’s future, the minister said. Israel’s insistence that Hamas be dismantled militarily and politically clashes with the reality that the movement is deeply entrenched in political life, much like Hezbollah in Lebanon. “One may disagree with such views, but there are many countries where figures holding radical positions occupy leadership roles,” Lavrov noted.
https://www.rt.com/russia/632712-lavrov-palestinian-statehood-mistake/.thoughts???
>>2698782>RUSSIA BLAMES PALESTINIANS FOR THEIR OPPRESSION!!!retard
>>2698796“Three or four generations of Arab children came and went over this 80-year period. When they go to school… their teachers talk about Palestine’s history and… They probably omit the fact that the Palestinians made a mistake by refusing to create their own state in 1948,” he noted.
What children learn is how their people’s rights were ignored in recent decades, Lavrov added. In discussions with Russia, Israeli officials dismiss those grievances as insufficient to justify extremism.
So what’s this latest chimp out in response to? The €90 Billion loan being blocked? People currently paying more attention to the potential war between the US and Iran?
>>2698799>Lavrov criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for saying there will be no Palestinian state, emphasizing that "this would improve Israel’s security.">He also described as "absolutely inadequate and unacceptable" statements by Israeli officials claiming "there were no civilians" in Gaza, noting it was "as if everyone there were terrorists, starting at the age of three.">"It is our firm belief that there will be no stability or calm there without a Palestinian state," he stressed.The point of his school remark is to say that it's impossible for Israel to erase Palestinian consciousness at this point. I don't know how you can spin this as some kind of zionist statement
Counteroffensiyv status?
Seriously. There is a shortage of men in Russia because Putin just wants to expand his oligarchal empire and now women are going to overthrow the Kremlin as their sons, fathers and husbands die for Putinist imperialism. Now he is encouraging teenage pregnancy so he can have a steady supply of soldiers for a war he'll never win…
>>2699198You joke but even if Putin gets all 4 Oblasts by the end of this (he won't) there's nothing stopping the rest of Ukraine from arming up for the next 10 years and then striking back to reclaim lost land in some Syria-style surprise offensive. European industry is already moving onto a war footing and Americans will never stop trillionmaxxing their own defense budget so the medium and long term outlook for Russia keeping eastern Ukraine is very bad. I don't see how any of this ends well for Russia.
No cap I’m still trying to understand how the “quick operation” arc turned into a multi-season grind where every update says huge progress but the map looks copy-pasted from last year. They keep posting confident briefings while the timeline feels stuck on buffering, fr like announcing a speedrun and then playing it like a survival sandbox. At this point the messaging hits harder than the movement; the front line reads less like momentum and more like patch notes written before the gameplay actually happened.
>>2699202>en striking back to reclaim lost land in some Syria-style surprise offensive.These geographies, beside everything else, are so radically different that an analogy cannot be made.
>2023: crimea beach party in july
<2026: ukraine will rearm and somehow spawn able-bodied men from thin air in 10 years and take back donbass
>>2699557>when they grow up and get SS tattoos and run NAFO accountsBro is really resorting to Zionist logic about how killing children is fine because they'll probably grow up to be bad.
>>2699557anyone got the video?
>>2699562To be fair the video isn’t the only example of Ukraine’s bizarre fixation on vocalising that children are deserving of suffering. They surely lose the moral high ground over unfortunate collateral deaths (ignoring Ukraine’s use of civilians as human shields) when their “unofficial” list of Ukraine’s enemies includes children for the crime of performing in Crimea.
>>2699568Spiritually Israeli
>>2699605Not the Poroshenko video (everyone knows that one) kek, I mean the one where anon dubbed the leninhat pasta
>>2699562Yea its on the booru when you search lenin_hat but I can't upload it rn
4 years SMO 4 years of a failure
Funny things you remember? I laugh thinking about those lines of tanks and trucks being stuck due to lack of logistics for many kilometers. I also remember that guy offing two ukros and then barellrolling
>>2699830I remember this 1v1 tank battle which i think is the only recorded instance of this happening in this war, it was on some russian tg channel, can't find it anymore.
>>2699915>The mayor of Lviv says it was a terrorist attackWas it recroooters or AFU that got blasted?
>>2699931Lmao and here's me thinking it could only get as lolzy as Russian energy becoming "American" on the short voyage from Sevastopol to Varna.
But destroying Nordstream in order to buy it and sell "American" gas through it, that's essentially the plot to an infamous mission in GTA.
Still, if that's the plan then we can guarantee the EU will do anything to prevent the conflict ending and the Ukrainian bourgeoisie are more than happy to have their mouths stuffed with gold to keep bussing people to the front. The only way that changes is if the US does something drastic yet simple, like switching off Starlink for Ukraine entirely and cutting both the EU and Ukraine off from all satellite recon (never going to happen), or if somehow the US is going to give Ukraine a better deal than the EU dangling a 2nd class membership in front of them and convinces them to make peace with Russia and profit off of Nordstream themselves as well (also unlikely with the current leadership in Ukraine who no doubt will depend on the EU to provide them asylum at some point, but I've seen online Ukrainians open to the possibility of suddenly aligning themselves with Russia just to punish the EU).
This is an inter-imperialist war
>>2700346>>2700351While we can agree that war bad, this war is still happening and it's not with a snap of anyone's fingers. However flawed Russia might be, it's still much preferable for Russia to win than have Ukraine/nato win, have Russia balkanized and turned into an outpost for the coming war against China and have another 20 or so year extension on the burger-reich dark age.
No to bothsideism.
Ukromedia playbook on Russian strikes:
>claim 90+% interception rate
>find any collateral damage, like windows blown on a nearby hospital, or kindergarten, or residential building
>claim these were the actual targets
>claim civilian deaths and injuries
>complain there is no power
Who knew Ukrainian electrical power comes from schools and apartments.
>>2700693Russia is running out of missiles and has to resort to using S-300 as ersatz cruise missiles, but at the same time it has just enough to waste on random residential buildings and kindergartens
>>2700725don't you know? it's because Russia is trying to genocide Ukrainians by *checks notes* having the lowest civilian-to-soldier death ratio in any war in the last 100 years. it's a testament to how incompetent they are! but unless Europe ups military spending and supports Ukraine Russia will attack and conquer Europe next! …with their shitty army that Poland could defeat.
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WHERE HAVE ALL THE NAFOIDS GONE? THEY WERE STILL SO NUMEROUS HERE TILL RECENTLY! HAVE THEY ACCEPTED DEFEAT? HOW ARE THEY COPING? SURELY BY SUCKING IMPERIALIST COCK, NO?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/02/20/8021895/Ukraine can still fight for years and will not agree to lose territory, National Guard chief saysUh Zisters? What happened to le collapse?
>>2700755if you are actually your flag and aren't just shitposting, you should be horrified by that statement
>>2700748They're jorking it to thoughts of dead Iranian children rn
>>2699931russian wishful thinking, they like US cock
>>2700755>What happened to le collapse?The article even expresses that retaking territory is not the “current” goal, despite 1991 borders being their victory condition. They’re now fighting simply to avoid surrendering; That is military collapse. Bravado about being
willing to avoid surrendering for decades doesn't change that, especially when an individual is talking on the behalf of people they have to kidnap off the streets to fight.
>>2700755Fine by me, more years of fighting just means more hohol death before inevitable victory.
>>2699557Israel tier genocidal maniac.
>>2699568Hasbara has completed the infiltration of leftypol.
>>2699024Those are ukronazis hitting their own civilians while retreating
>>2700847>Kyiv>RetreatingMan you zioshills are getting dumber by the day.
>>2700755The squealing intensifies, the end approaches.
>>2699557what version of Lenin Hat is this one?
the one that swtiched sides mid 2022? that repeated the 'vlasovite' mantra, that king skitzo later on repeated because of course he can't form his own ideas?
>>2699931the us repairing what the broke just to claim some ownership on it? they would never…
IraqNew Granada Republic/break-up Colombia and PanamaKorean peninsulaJapan.
and probably, many other examples i'm seeing large blue arrows in youtube thumbnails. is ukraine turning the tide?
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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢰⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⢀⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⡟⠀⠀⠀⣠⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡛⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣏⡁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⢀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣠⣤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠛⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠿⠷⡀⡀⢾⣤⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣹⣷⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠠⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠑⠿⠟⠛⠟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣴⣿⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠀⣠⣶⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠐⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢼⣿⣿⣷⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⣶⣾⣿⣿⡟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣧⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣽⣿⣿⡿⣏⢃⡀⠀⠀⢀⣤⡄⢤⣀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠂⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣴⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠈⠉⣽⡿⣿⡷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢙⣏⣙⡿⡿⣟⣾⣿⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣿⣿⣷⣦⠄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣴⣶⣶⣶⣾⣿⠗⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣹⣿⣷⣶⣴⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠁⠀⠀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⡉⢿⣿⡿⣀⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣀⣸⣴⣾⣿⠿⠛⠉⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣲⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣰⡒⣤⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣬⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⡧⢾⣿⣷⣽⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⣲⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣴⣿⣿⡿⣋⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣴⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⣵⠀⢀⣀⠀⠀⣻⣿⣿⣷⡆⠀⢶⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⠀⠀⠀⠨⣿⣿⣿⣾⣿⣄⣀⠀⠀⠈⠁⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣀⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⠀⢠⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡛⣿⡿⠃⠀⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣤⣆⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣤⠀⢰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⣶⣷⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡄⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣃⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⡀⠀⣠⣴⣿⡿⠛⢿⣿⣦⡀⠀⠀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣠⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢁⡀⠹⣿⣿⣿⠛⠀⣼⣿⡀⢀⣾⡄⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⡖⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣾⣿⣿⢠⡄⢀⡀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣤⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠆⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⣜⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣻⣷⣀⣶⣿⣶⣦⣾⣟⠹⣿⣤⣿⣙⣧⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣦⠀⠀⠀⣴⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠀⠀⠀⠘⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣄⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⣤⣄⣽⣿⣦⠀⢀⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⣿⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⠙⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡽⣿⣿⣿⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡌⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠙⠿⣿⣿⣿⡀
⠀⠀⢀⡀⢀⣰⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣟⣿⣿⡟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⣛⣇
⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⢛⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠻⡟
⠙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣜⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠚⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈
⠀⠉⢻⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⣋⠙⡛⣻⣿⣿⣿⣷⣈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠒⠀⠀⠀⢀⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⢨⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠟⡡⢊⢄⠣⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡌⡙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢀⣠⡄⣿⣷⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⢀⣤⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⡘⡄⣣⣾⡎⣉⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⠠⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠁⠶⠂⢾⣿⣷⣿⢻⣿⣧⣄⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠛⠻⠿⡿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣦⡱⣈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⠐⣩⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⣾⣷⣧⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⡏⠻⣿⣿⣶⣤⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠁⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣶⡥⢘⠻⣿⠿⡐⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⠈⠻⣿⣏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿⣿⡿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠛⣩⣁⠛⠿⠿⣿⠿⣷⠖⡠⢃⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⡀⠙⢿⣶⣄⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠛⠻⢿⣿⡀⠀⣩⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⡄⣳⣿⣿⣷⣮⣔⣢⣘⣄⣮⣴⡥⢈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⢹⣿⣟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣄⣣⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣧⣕⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠿⠿⠿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⠀⠀⠀⠉⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠏⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⠻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠹⠿⠛⠛⠛⢿⣿⠿⠀⠀⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⠸⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡟⠛⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠙⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣠⣶⣿⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
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>Cucktin apologists have resorted to spamming the thread with ASCII "art" because they have no good news to report as Ukraine slowly takes back land
>>2701511The spam is daily anti-Russia threads when that’s already on topic for this thread.
>>2701554It really isn’t, simply because of how many times Ukraine has tried to start WW3 at this point and NATO was having none of it.
>>2701554Konstantin Syomin says this btw
>>2701624>We’re so back status: over>Its so over status: backThe thread has gotten pretty quiet as you’d expect it would for an attritional conflict where little changes day-to-day, but a cursory glance at pro-Ukrainian spaces and they’re somehow managing to maintain a constant stream of “updates” about gamechangers, slop news articles about impossible feats of heroism, discoveries of evidence of Russia’s evils, denials of set backs, denials of advances then admissions of those advances, etc. don’t they ever get tired of the cycle between “they think it’s over but we will never surrender for 100 years!” And “we’re so back, counter-offensive baby! Moscow this time next year!”?
>>2701554he's not wrong. the Europeans won't let the ukraine crisis end and the only path available left is more conflicts flaring up until the whole world is engulfed in conflict again
>>2701640>pro-Ukrainian spaces and they’re somehow managing to maintain a constant stream of “updates”The thing is that most Ziggers at least on some level want to understand this war, it's events and how it will end and how it will affect the world and them. pro-Ukraine info-space is one huge cope-mill, they don't give a shit about understanding the situation. They already know the "truth" and message they want to hear.
Nafoids really ate-alive most of those in their ranks who attempted to be objective and fair years ago.
>>2701663I suppose those people tell on themselves when they come to this thread to tell us the conflict is boring, in a stalemate, Russia is winning too slowly, everything Russia strikes is worthless and just generally trying to convince everyone the conflict is already over. That’s if you want to demoralise people, if you want to do the opposite then presumably every day needs to feel like the conflict is actually incredibly dynamic and therefore one good manooooover could decisively rebalance the conflict in Ukraine’s favour.
>>2701673I mean immigration was likely to be high even if they were able to join the EU without conflict. Bit pointless to start clutching their pearls about it now.
>>2701675Yeah. Not to derail too much but Ukraine is not special in the slightest in this regard. Every country experiencing population decline (so almost all of them) has to offset that by migration in order to keep their economy growing and retirement benefits paid for.
Ironically the people who bitch the most about it never fix the problem, they don't have kids.
>>2701554But I thought it's ukraine fighting alone Russia.
>>2701673the more concerning math, ignored by nazovites, it's that out of 10 children in school, 9 would be a banderite.
>>2701689Wtf? Russia still has Ultras?
>>2701772But do you have tigers???
>>2701971Fico has balls i gotta admit after the sbu attempted to kill him
>>27020691. Russia moves nuclear weapons into Belarus
2. Ukraine attacks Belarus because Zelensky is not afraid of anything anymore
3. Kiev finally gets nuked, the rest of Ukraine is turned into a radioactive parking lot, and we can all finally stop paying attention to this war of retards because Lukashenko has the balls to do what Cucktin won't.
>>2702079>3. Kiev finally gets nukedLuka has been cucking out recently. Unfortunately the Banderites act with impunity because they know that they will not have to suffer a lick of consequences. As much as I wish it would be otherwise.
He's gone on an entire online rant about Belarus, some quotes
>relay stations for modern “shahed” drones are new installations that have appeared on the territory of Belarus and help attack our people and energy infrastructure… Russia used jet-powered drones, but not only through Belarus. They did not just pass through their territory – they operated with technological support from the territory of Belarus… in my opinion, Belarusians must understand all the risks
>Sanctions against Lukashenko are the first step. This will apply not only to Lukashenko, but also to his entourage, his sons, etc.
>We did not raise the issue of Lukashenko with the American side because we saw that the Americans were seeking communication with him and a result through diplomatic means. We will now engage on this track and discuss with the Americans that this cannot continue; that he supports the Russian regime
>I don't think Russian prisons are any different from Belarusian prisons. These are identical regimes with hatred toward people. The only difference is that Belarusians are imprisoned in Belarus, while Ukrainians are imprisoned in Russia.
>The best thing is for Ukraine and Belarus to be members of the European Union. I do not know whether the Belarusian people support this, but from the point of view of the economy, geopolitics, and independence – it is the right thing
>People in Belarus are smart. It is simply anti-European propaganda that has been working there for many years that spreads only one-sided narratives: that there would supposedly be restrictions on their business and development in Belarus, that prices would be high and salaries would be low, that people would be beggars. All this is simply propaganda.
>>2701784they do, in vladivostok
>>2702093Releasing prisoners for sanctions relief is not cucking especially since now the Euros and Americans will have to spend millions of dollars housing and feeding them. Saves Belarus the hassle of keeping them in jail and they get more money to develop the economy. NATO or Ukraine crossing the border, on the other hand, will result in immediate nuclear escalation. This is the only red line the Belarusian government and Luka have ever set out.
They cannot afford a regular defense because their country and military is too small for a prolonged conflict + they gave most of their military stockpile to Russia in 2022.
So if Poland or Ukraine try anything the Belarusians won't even bother with a counter attack it will just be nukes hitting the enemy capitol.
>>2701784>>2701772>>2702166>>2702169and they get paraded like trophies in Moscow
:( :@
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#freethetigersincaptivity
>>2702167 (me)
Oh and btw this is why the Belarusian opposition added de-nuclearization into their list of demands. They know that as long as Belarus has nukes it is impossible to stage or to fight a war on Belarusian soil, so they have to get rid of the nukes first before they try to transform Belarus into another front like Ukraine. The nuclear shield and Lukashenko and the government's willingness to hit the red button is literally what is cucking Ukraine at the moment since they so desperately wish to send their forces over the border to drag Belarus into the fighting to stretch out Russia even further.
>>2702180Why wont cucktin give nukes to iran?
Dugin status?
Hungary vetoes €90 billion EU loan for Ukraine>Hungary placed the double veto on the initiatives on Monday as Kiev and Budapest remain locked in a bitter row over the Soviet-era Druzhba oil pipeline – which carries Russian crude to Hungary and Slovakia and has been out of commission since late January. Kiev claims that it was damaged by Russia, which has denied the allegations.>https://swentr.site/news/632935-hungary-ukraine-loan-veto/No givas?
>>2702364eu always seems to find a way to get this stuff through anyway. hungary vetoes usually amount to just delays.
>>2702346But I heard from NAFO ITT that Russia should be wary of the tens of millions of ukie-warriors wanted to fight for the rest of their hoholite lives to 'save the ukraine' and that's Putin's fault? that Putin is shitting his pant because of that?
mmmm let's see where those posts are, so no one can say I am inventing: >>2700755 >>2701511, >>2699202In Lvov there were two explosions.
>The explosions in Lvov involved an initial blast to draw in first responders and then a second once those responders were within range. with casualties.
the one in Dnepropetrovsk was one explosion, no casualties.
Although..
Blast kills police officer in Moscow>The incident occurred around 12:05am local time, when an unidentified individual approached a police patrol vehicle at Savelovsky Station Square. Shortly thereafter, an unidentified device detonated, according to an official statement from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.<“Preliminarily, it has been established that the perpetrator died at the scene,” according to an updated statement from Russia’s Investigative Committee.https://swentr.site/russia/632947-moscow-savelovsky-blast-police/>>2702410I DID NAWT HIT HER. I DID NAWT. OH HI DRUMPF
>muh sanctions
when will EU clowns learn
>>2702409>the toilets don't even workWhat's the price tag for this fucking thing? 8 billion dollars?
>delivered late and still not finished<ovens don't work so the crew can't be fed>new catapult system doesn't work so planes can't be launchdd<toilets don't work so crew can't even shit>none of this can be fixed because all the components are proprietary and have to be serviced by contractorsWhen I read Atlas Shrugged as a teenager I never would have guessed that one day I'd be living it in.
>>2701689>imperialist ChinaTrots hate real communism, as always
>“Ukraine needs to mobilize another 250,000 troops to turn the war around,” — The Times>Ukraine is inferior to Russia in terms of personnel and weapons in most areas of the front – in the areas of Liman, Seversk, Pokrovsk and Slavyansk.>According to the publication's estimates, Kiev needs approximately 250,000 additional troops to have a realistic chance of victory on the battlefield.>The urban areas of Pokrovsk, Myrnograd, and Huliaipole are partially or almost completely controlled by Russian troops. Advancing deeper into the Zaporizhzhia sector poses the threat of massive deployment of suicide drones.>Ukrainian officers acknowledge a critical shortage of infantry and UAV operators: without cover, drone teams lose their effectiveness.>Former Supreme Allied Commander-in-Chief Philip Breedlove noted that personnel shortages are the key problem facing the Ukrainian Armed Forces, while Russia can compensate for these losses through external reserves.https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/ukraine-russia-military-army-news-latest-8gs2vjwtz >>2702693
>russians with attitude
and no brain?
>>2702289Unironically, Iran does not want to develop nuclear weapons. They have had the capabilities for decades now. The Ayatollah seems to think that having the capability is all that is necessary. Basically the Iranian leadership is retarded and/or compromised by traitors (the reformist faction).
>>2702795
list all the positive outcomes for socialists in the scenario of a ukrainian victory in this war. i'm waiting:
>>2702862Socialists get put face first into shit and be forced to see how supporting fascists doesn't advance socialism. Therefore, the next generation of western socialists wouldn't be as retarded as current one
>>2702863Yeah but every "socialist" and radlib who cheer for AFU victory because of Russian imperialism are fascists in the first place. This war has been a one huge trash takes itself out moment.
any update on those russian commies who got detained on trumped up charges?
>>2702862List all the positive outcomes for socialists in the scenario of a Russian victory in this war. I'm waiting.
>>2702873Is Iron Cuck still mumbling about nukes?
Zelensky demands accession date from EU>Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky has demanded that the EU give Kiev a concrete date for its accession to the bloc, insisting that it should come no later than 2027. EU officials have refused to give an exact timeline, arguing that Ukraine should first meet numerous conditions.https://swentr.site/russia/632973-zelensky-demands-accession-date-eu/Omg u guise why won’t the EU let Ukraine give them commands? They’re getting in the way of Ukraine’s victory and thus a victory for socialism in repelling Russian imperialism! There’s no other choice, the EU and NATO for that matter HAVE to go!
>>2702874A full Russian victory would increase the prospects for independent development for non-aligned country massively, which also opens up the possibilty of socialist forms of development; only further increased by the defeat of the global hegemonic neoliberal order.
>>2702879Russia wants to reintegrate the hegemonic neoliberal order, I don’t understand how you people get the idea otherwise. Everything that was done to "untangle" Russia from the West was done by Western countries. Russia's stake in this war is to get a slightly larger share of the pie. When all this is done, Russia will slowly go back to trading with the West, it will be as if nothing changed except for the millions of dead and maimed proles.
>>2702881>so much support in le world>its just the EU and US client statesWhat did he mean by this?
>>2702884the_international_community.jpg
>>2702870You mean the leftists who were busted for embezzlement?
>>2702890No, the soviet boomers that allegedly plotted an insurrection and got FSB'd
>>2702893If they were plotting a color revolution then they were leftists, not communists. God willing they’ll be given the same treatment as other useful idiots for Azov
>>2702882nah, other anon is right. i'm not sure you get what hegemony means. russia getting a "larger share of the pie" means the west ends up with less power and influence, and russia more, which means countries targeted by the west and aided by russia (cuba, iran, etc) are in a less precarious position and have better chances to develop without being strangled and destroyed by the empire. any diminishment in power of the epstein regime is a positive development. a russian victory is such a diminishment, though the empire is doing a global crime wave to try to find compensation.
>>2702882It’s honestly mental to see how far NATO has expanded in Europe and US hegemony spread across the globe, and think it’s impossible that Russia could be acting in self-defence against that and the only possible reason for the invasion of Ukraine, one of the poorest and unproductive states in Europe, is wanting a “bigger slice” of a “neoliberal” pie that they didn’t have a slice of to begin with.
Perhaps one can naively suggest Russia should have cut itself off from the global energy market just to make a point about how much it dislikes US hegemony, but trading with the EU and the US isn’t participation in that hegemony. Fighting to protect their ability to freely trade around the globe is not neoliberalism.
>>2702919>stay informed<machine translationsLmao, I know they’re only expecting people to read the headline, but come on
Ukraine corruption on par with rest of Europe – Zelensky> “It is a lie that there is more corruption in Ukraine than in any other European state,” he said. “We want to acknowledge our weak points, but without losing our dignity and without saying that we have it and others do not. The fact that we are fighting it, I believe we are doing a great job.”https://swentr.site/russia/632978-ukraine-corruption-europe-zelensky/Dignity status?
>>2702920this isn't even machine translation, it's russian being voice recognized as english so gibberish comes out, high effort stuff
>>2702917>Imperialist Capitalist Russia burning AES cultural artifactsUnited Russia would rather burn Chinese toys than effigies of Trump. Every day they grow more reactionary.
Zelensky claims West could use elections to oust him>“I told the partners, ‘you need to decide one thing: you want to get rid of me or you want to hold elections?’” < Zelensky then insisted that regardless of the answer, the elections should be “honest.” “Hold them in a way that the Ukrainian people will recognize, first of all. And you yourself must recognize that these are legitimate elections.”https://swentr.site/russia/632953-zelensky-west-election-oust/He’s not a dictator, it’s just the west wants to overthrow him. First time in history that has happened, never seen that circumstance before, only actual real dictators pretending that’s the case.
>>2702921>We want to acknowledge our weak points, but without losing our dignity and without saying that we have it and others do not.He doesn't understand that gusanos are meant to shit on their countries and to worship the West uncritically? It's too late to talk about dignity anyway, you've already sold out everything.
>>2702977>>2702409I meant to reply that post.
>>2702977So, it was sabotage by sailors?
Renewed claims that the UK and France aim to smuggle a nuclear weapon into Ukraine, likely a dirty bomb that would be claimed to be a solely Ukrainian innovation.
>>2702984I saw that too. If it's true then the war is lost. Zelensky will not hesitate to nuke his country to kill as many Russians as possible. Cucktin has lost this war due to his incompetence and buffoonery. Thousands of Russian lives wasted just for a cocaine using clown to cap it all off by wiping out the Russian military. And the worst part is Russia has no way to respond because the entire world will sympathize with Ukraine nuking their own territory to deny it to enemy forces.
>>2703003>Woah what happened to the Russian forces in the eastern region of Ukraine? Why is there a mushroom cloud hanging over there?<Nah this is ok because um um um Putin won (spiritually) Champ just admit it. It's ok. We're 4+ years into this. You can let go of your fixation on Russian victory. Let go. I too used to believe in Russian victory. It's over.
>>2703004Au contraire, I don’t understand the fixation on presenting every Ukrainian attempt to avoid defeat via terrorism, meat grinding busified conscripts, trying to trick NATO into believing they’ve been attacked by Russia, trying to convince Russia their nuclear defence is under attack from NATO, attacking nuclear power stations, trying to assassinate Dugin as the supposed mastermind behind Putin, droning 3% of Russia’s oil refinery capacity, droning the Black Sea fleet despite this not being a naval conflict, etc, etc as all signs of Ukraine’s strength and self-confidence that will lead them to “cucking” Russia out of winning the conflict.
I would have to say it’s cucktinists who have to accept that, after four years, Ukraine isn’t succeeding at finding some technical knock out that will overcome the fact they can’t win an attritional war against a country that doesn’t depend on donations and foreign mercenaries.
>>2702982Possibly. They've been at sea for like 13 months or some shit and were supposed to be heading home before Trump sent them to Iran
For the record though, I don’t necessarily believe that the UK and France are actually interested in handing over a nuclear weapon to an incredibly unstable nation that, in the event of a coup, may very well have a bone to pick with Western Europe.
I suspect such a plan has been considered, because every option gets considered at some point. Has the SVR uncovered an “Operation Unthinkable” that is drawn up with the near-certain expectation it will be rejected by military planners? Have the UK and France fabricated such a plan with the intent that the SVR finds it and comes away with the impression of madmen and desperados who will stop at nothing to avoid losing? Either option seems more plausible than them fully embracing Ukraine’s terrorist state as no longer something to be exploited and expended, but instead to be given power so immense that they could no longer control them and likely could end up as the exploited ones themselves.
>>2703051france did give critical help to israel in acquiring nukes and macron is a fucking moron fully on board with euroimperialsm with no respect for france sovereignty, so im still a bit worried
>PHOTO ESSAY: Portraits of Ukrainians on the anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion
>The Associated Press
the western media still hasn't given up
>>2703060>third vidThat is the most annoying and useless watermark ever, what the fuck? There isn't even a name or anything written to ID It, its just a fucking blue smurf soldier covering up 4/5ths of the screen.
>>2703131I am pretty confident to say that one is a hoholite channel.
I don't find it now in my following list, which makes me think i was following a clone channel or a backup channel that got banned or deleted.
helmet camo is ukranian camo, skin is blue, glasses are white.
>>2703151yeah it's @lvivych_news
it'a probably bad that I immediately recognized the channel from "smurf soldier" without even looking the video up lol
>>2703165just imagine - soldiers defending fatherland have to fight off angry civilians from their own side
>>2703165Love how it translates TCC to shopping mall employees kek
>>2702882>>2702906>>2702912What a lot of geopolitics brained people neglect is that foreign policy is ultimately a product of internal contradictions within given societies. My working theory is that there are unresolved internal contradictions in Russia that are being transformed and externalized through the persistent increase of military and police power and aggressive warfare. It's pressure inside the system which increasingly shifts into survival mode as the primary mechanism of its own self movement. It's actually a kind of comfort zone. There are many reasons for this but warfare is very good at getting people to turn off their critical thinking so they don't have to feel confused about anything (the persistence of social injustice), while also making it easier for governments to do things that would be more difficult in normal times (internal repression, suppressing public protest), because war changes the context in which everything is happening.
There is a lot more that can go right with war. But there's a lot of things wrong with war, too. The primary one is that it doesn't resolve the underlying contradictions, just buries them deeper. There are certain advantages that come from operating in wartime conditions that turn into disadvantages the longer the war goes on (movement to the opposites). Actually you see this here where anons who initially admired Putin's ability to keep a cool head when the Russian army was faced with setbacks early on has been replaced by irritation that Russia has so far not been able to defeat Ukraine (although this remains a possibility). Also the frustration is not just coming from anti-war liberals but nationalists who are being denied catharsis. There's also the problem of hundreds of thousands of people for whom violence has become the norm (because they've been corrupted by blood and murder) returning to society which will put more pressure on the government to destroy them for the sake of their own self-preservation (in addition to tightening the screws further, banning Telegram, etc.) because their various rehabilitation programs will turn out to be complete bullshit.
>>2703117Meant for
>>2702391idfk what happened, was almost sure I replied to the correct reply
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/12/11/kremlin-condemns-polands-arrest-of-hermitage-employee-on-ukrainian-warrant-a91408Haven't seen much online coverage of this case but this is pretty crazy. Alexander Butyagin, a Russian archeologist, has been detained in Poland last December (after entering it with no problems in transit from Europe to read a lecture).
His crime? He worked on an archeological site in Crimea without explicit permission of the Ukrainian government, which is terrorism or some shit by Ukrainian law. As far as I know he's apolitical, has never said anything about SMO and has credentials with Western archeological circles, but that single horrific crime was enough for Poland to arrest him on behalf of Ukraine.
He's been in detention for three months now, despite repeated appeals from his family and his european colleagues, with sources saying he has no access to TV, internet, contact with family and very limited access to books, and his lawyers even had to fight to let him keep pictures of his family in his cell.
As always, it's the sheer petty cruelty of beltoids that really gets to you. Perhaps the greatest mistake of Stalin's was being unforgivably kind to polish barbarians.
>>2703303I knew you would post her, but at least she broke a real law and not some retarded nonsense hallucinated by ukrainians. Also all americans must be sent to gulags
>>27033079 years for weed, lmao.
Scumbags defending this as always.
>>2703309btw the law could jail her for something like a year, but thats Putin's Russia…
>>2703310so you agree that Europe = Putin's Russia?
>>2703309>>2703310😱😱😱
the horrors. an european (Euro-Asiatic, European nonetheless) puts people in jail for cannabis possession and consumption?
THE HORRORS.
>>2703324You forgot India, they simp for Israel.
>>2703303what goes down in the penis colony
>>2703559>China and the United States abstainedkek.
(now lets see the GA vote on how many nations want to see Ukraine get or use a nuclear bomb.)
>>2703320>2nd pic 2023In 3 years time BiH (Bosnia), Albania, Ukorpland afaik legalized for medicinal use. Germany legalized wholly. A lot has changed.
Can't go over all the changes, those are the ones I can think of. Point being the map is outdated, whoever made it should make an updated version.
>>2703582As for the first pic its unclear if they mean recreational or medicinal, but its simply wrong. I don't know who made it. Its illegal in Spain, Estonia, Belgium, Luxemburg, Moldova etc. etc.
Someone just sloppily put it together via mapchart. It's just false.
>>2703559>UN General Assembly passes motion for truce and peaceWell that’s precisely the opposite of what Ukraine wants, they want a temporary ceasefire for the purpose of resuming the conflict under more favourable conditions?
Does the image actually contain the specific wording of the motion? Was it a loaded question like “who supports NOT bombing civilian infrastructure?”
>>2703585Like no joke, whoever made the first pic was probably trolling. I don't know how anyone could seriously look at it and repost it seeing Moldova in green.
Its like looking at a map of the legality of same sex marriage with Saudi Arabia colored green. How could anyone believe such a map has any credibility to be reposted?
>>2703589Oh I judged too quick, it says illegal but decriminalized in the green option - not legalized.
Ohhh I get it now, its still bullshit. When did Moldova decriminalize? Hint: never.
Who determines the status of unenforced? Hint: its always been subjective.
Croatia as well? Really?
Are we ignoring Christiania in Denmark? Why?
So many questions, but the answer is obviously that the map is just nonsense.
Ukraine would almost certainly claim that the votes against and abstentions are politically motivated and I would agree with that assessment. I don't think any country that abstained or voted against, for example, the suggestion that kidnapping children is bad. But rather they're disagreeing with Ukraine's framing that's actually what occurred, despite the motion not being about whether Ukraine's assertions are accurate.
Most of the world (and I do mean the actual world, not merely the "international community") don't have much of a horse in this race. So of that 107 that voted in favour of Ukraine's motion that "hey attacking civilian infrastructure is bad!", you have to consider that very few of them have any particular reason to disagree with that statement in isolation.
The apparent bias that this is only being voted on with regards to Ukrainian infrastructure and not when Zelensky was claiming he was going to blackout Moscow, is one entirely of Kiev's manufacture in presenting this resolution conscious of the fact that "Yes, but that applies also for Ukraine" isn't an option.
107 nations are not necessarily saying droning Russian civilian energy infrastructure was okay and supportable, because they "agreed with Ukraine" that droning infrastructure is bad, where the motion neglects to point out Ukraine very proudly was doing that themselves.
No, Ukraine anon and most of the pro-Ukrainian internet are just hungry hungry hippos for any peremogas Kiev will feed them.
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2703623The only reason that vote happened at all was because USA was sure it wouldn't fail. USA doesn't start votes that fail, because it looks bad on their image
mercouris says the nukes to ukraine story is russian propaganda. the uk & france wouldn't be that crazy, and even if they were the americans would block it so in the end it wouldn't happen either way. the russians are putting this out there to lay the ground for coming escalation and regime change, because this shows that leaving the maidan regime in place in any form at the end of this is simply too dangerous, so they have to go all the way.
i wouldn't be so sure about any of this, but that's the line he's taking.
>>2703654I'm pretty certain it's Ukraine who requested the vote, I believe any UN member can request such a vote with approval being given by the President of the General Assembly, that currently being Annalena "Russia better turn 360 degrees or else" Baerbock. If I'm correct, then it happened because at the very least Baerbock is biased enough to not reject the motion on the basis that it's propagandic in nature and quite obviously riddled with hypocrisy on all counts.
It's kind of ironic that the claim is that Russia abhors the international institutions that the West is trying to exclude them from, but at the same time Ukraine actively makes a mockery of every institution they're a member of with the West supporting every attempt, all of it treated as merely a billboard to paint their propaganda on.
>>2703665What are you, 12? USA doesn't start votes themselves, they usually ask their vassal states to initiate the vote to create an illusion of equality, democracy and that USA isn't pulling the strings
Interimperialist war status?
>>2703677Yeah me too. This givi guy made pretty good videos.
>>2703663>the russians are putting this out there to lay the ground for coming escalation and regime change, because this shows that leaving the maidan regime in place in any form at the end of this is simply too dangerous, so they have to go all the way.It's true that the maidan regime has to go, but it's apparent by now that Russia aims for that to materialise internally within Ukraine, rather than via escalation where Russia eventually eliminates the current regime, installs a new one and hopes that will stick.
Russia announces whatever transgressions by NATO states it discovers without that necessarily leading to escalation, because
>The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happeningThe conflict is a drawn out one by the choice of NATO and Ukraine. A narrative of Russia being quagmire'd in Donbass suffering the effects of Ukraine's supposed massive K:D ratio thanks to the FPV drones that Ukraine pioneered and can produce indefinitely in the kitchens and garages of true Banderite patriots (and
>>2703671 that "most" of the world is cheering Slava Ukraini), is necessary to provide the morale to keep people from thinking fighting Russia is a lost cause.
If/when Russia uncovers plots that suggest desperation on NATO and Ukraine's behalf, that adds another crack in the narrative that Ukraine is equipped, manned and prepared for the conflict to remain "stalemated" for a century and we're just waiting for Russia to give up. Of course, handing over nukes to Ukraine can also be spun as a sign of just how much the West supports Ukraine, but it seems that increasingly Ukrainians are less impressed by such vocal and hinted support, increasingly they're disgruntled that after four years of the West shouting Ukrainian slogans, the flags in their graveyards are still exclusively Ukrainian flags.
>>2703684Masturbation is sex
Does Russia face military collapse by 2026? Inside Ukraine’s strategic assessment>As tank reserves deplete and production stalls, intelligence analysis points to a critical deadline for Russia’s war effort. Yet Putin’s ability to sustain low-intensity conflict challenges this timeline<Ukraine may be entering the final stages of its war with Russia, with the war potentially drawing to a close by the end of 2025 and early 2026, at least according to Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine's Directorate of Intelligence.>[low tank and plane production, Russia is running out of existing Soviet stocks to refurbish and upgrade as “new”, the article is basically extrapolated from that]<That being said, it's not all bad news for Russia: its Iskander missile production, particularly the Iskander-M, has ramped up significantly. This is a serious problem for Ukraine, as it cannot currently fully protect itself from these missiles. The limited number of Patriot systems cannot fully safeguard cities and the entire frontline.>While Western technology receives much of the attention in political, diplomatic, and expert circles, the effect of Ukraine’s domestic production, development, and scaling of homegrown technology has been underestimated.<General Budanov explained the importance of Ukraine's long-range drone strikes deep inside Russia, including Moscow. These strikes have shaken the confidence of the Russian people>[hype about FPV drones and attacking the Black Sea fleet as usual]<It’s fair to say that while sanctions haven’t stopped the war, they are slowly strangling Russia, making it increasingly difficult to manage the consequences of the war. These mounting problems create potential grounds for future negotiations, which President Zelensky is aiming to leverage through the Peace Summit scheduled for November 2024, as he seeks a diplomatic resolution.>Following Ukraine’s successful incursion into Kursk, Russian political elites are facing a new problem. [Oof.]<With low-intensity combat and reduced military spending, Putin might be able to drag the war out, balancing between war and economics for much longer while waiting for the best possible terms in negotiations.>Putin is acutely aware of war weariness in the West and operates under the assumption that Western leaders might lack the resolve and incentives to maintain high levels of aid to Ukraine.< Nevertheless, we can all agree that if the war does not come to an end, its intensity will likely decrease. This means Ukraine needs a long-term plan of action, whether that involves preparing for a potential second invasion or sustaining a low-intensity war.https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/10/22/does-russia-face-military-collapse-by-2026-inside-ukraines-strategic-assessment/Posted 22/10/2024. It’s quite interesting that despite the prediction being wrong, the major beats are still in play today. That being Russia will run out of everything eventually, Ukraine will find some kind of bargaining chip that will force Russia to voluntarily restore 1991 borders, the only real threat to the plan to out attrition Russia is the West being unreliable allies.
>>2703765>Yet Putin’s ability to sustain low-intensity conflict challenges this timelinehow can one man be so powerful?
>>2703773Cucktinists have no zen, their fists are closed and so are their minds. that’s why they couldn’t recognise Putin’s timeline changing power via the ancient art of not caring about PR.
…for 1000 days Putin contemplated the history that lead to these circumstances, his smartphone on silent as to be unburdened by the relentless tweets calling him a cuck. On day 1400, he reached nirvana and came to understand a powerful truth that had eluded all prior
>it’d be unpleasant for Ukrainians if their toilets stopped working
and thus, the mighty Iskanders flew.
>>2703778>the ancient art of not caring about PR.heh, that will be his downfall. When Russia completes the Annexation of the Five Oblasts and Ukraine is in Forever Debt performing The Selling of the Natural Resources, the Western media will say that Ukraine actually won and Russia lost and so shall it be.
the ukraine
>>2703168>>2703165Welcome to the TCC!
:D
>>2703853Needed money to buy the dip, then he went to the moon
>>2703665>President of the General Assembly>Annalena BaerbockThe crazy fucking idiot bitch.
Jesus fuck. That almost ruined my day until I went through the list of former Prez and none of them are a known quantity.
Fuck the UN
There are, just at a glance: 1 Luxembourgian, a Fijian, a Maltese and a Maldivian
A Luxembourgian, a Maltese… and a Maldivian walk into a bar
>>2703897Don't worry Ukrainian friends, Cucktin already promised to not kill Zelensky for the entire war and like a good Christian he is honoring that promise
<BudanovThere was no promise for Budanov, but he survived like 100+ assassination attempts anyways so it doesn't matter. the fsb is physically incapable of killing anyone important in Ukraine.
>>2703899I dunno, Budanov’s head looks too big for his body, it might be a transplant.
Hungary to deploy troops against potential ‘Ukrainian attacks’>Budapest has ordered units to guard critical infrastructure sites in areas bordering Ukraine amid the Druzhba oil pipeline standoffhttps://swentr.site/news/633029-hungary-ukrainian-attacks-threat/If only Hungary was a member of a collective defence pact and the perpetrator wasn’t, then this wouldn’t be necessary.
>>2703906This proves that NATO is anti-Russian, not pro-protection of NATO members
>>2703910That is the implication, yes
>>2703897Ah now I understand why Azovs were happy with a 'jew' in power. I think he does, too.
Like it’s also quite funny that at some point the EU saw fit to allow a single country to veto a policy if it’s against their interest, ostensibly to stop the big nations bullying the smol bean nations into self-harm. Now that veto has actually been used by I believe three countries (Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic), the big countries are fucking raging about it and mulling pulling veto rights from them.
Obviously the big countries put that rule in for optics, there’s no reason why they would accept Hungary saying no to them, so presumably the EU was never actually intended to be democratic and it was going to be puppets in every smol state.
>>2703921I think the rule is there from the start, although it obv made more sense when it was only a few big countries and eu scope was quite limited
>>2703923Hopefully the missing billions of Euros (openly given to Ukraine or otherwise), the attempt at removing veto rights from some countries, the attempt to force Belgium to steal Russian assets for Ukraine while leaving them solely responsible for that legally, the idea that going forward future EU members will be inducted as second class members, the law against buying Russian energy even though it seems like the US is set to exploit the shit out of that, rigging elections against “pro-Russian parties”, etc causes a new and more successful wave of euroscepticism.
Although I have an uneducated theory that the EU is racking up debts in Euros with reckless abandon because the plan is to just dissolve the EU and therefore the Euro at the end of the conflict with no one taking responsibility for the debts. Followed by the creation of a new European alliance that will be more military in nature and explicitly make smol bean nations 2nd class members so they don’t get in the way of the *real* European powers again.
>>2703932i can't see that happening. nato is already the military wing of the eu, and they've been more all-in on eu panevropeanism than ever.
>>2703941I preface the theory with it being uneducated since I’m also sure someone more knowledgeable about global economic institutions could give multiple reasons for why scrapping the EU and Euro wouldn’t work in wiping away debts.
And true enough, despite Trump’s demand to “gib me dat Greenland” creating calls for a more militarily independent Europe, they’re unlikely to ditch NATO and the US’s nuclear umbrella to that end.
>>2703906the truth is that there has already been an attack on hungarian energy infrastructure by ukrainian about half a year ago
hungarian authorities denied that it ever happened, but an explosion at the biggest refinery in hungary right after a diplomatic crisis between hungary and ukraine is extremely suspicious
>>2703941>panevropeanismThat's the function of the EU so that's not exactly surprising.
The thing is still way more fragile than a country. Not saying it's breaking down imminently but it should be relatively easy.
>>2703309don't do drugs while travelling dumbass, especially if that country is known to have strict drug laws
>>2703309She was obviously used by Russia as political leverage, which was the appropriate thing to do
>>2703971Yeah I remember that, it should have been a much bigger scandal than it was but ultimately if it was the Ukrainians, then it didn’t seem to achieve their goal of getting the Hungarians to toe the line on Russian energy.
Likewise I remember there was a spate of oil facilities catching fire in the US that got memory holed pretty sharpish.
>>2703309Entryway drugs should be banned. End of story.
>>2703971>hungarian authorities denied This sort of shows that any kind of defiance they're displaying doesn't extend to an actual break from the Western bloc doesn't it?
>>2703983One, "authorities" are not monolithic. Two, police or other state agencies do not generally engage in gossip so they do a lot of denying. Or not even real denial but things like "at this time the cause of the incident is undetermined".
>>2703985Any government seriously trying to protect is sovereignty or break up the Western coalition wouldn't keep quiet about a genuine attack by Ukraine against them. If Hungary had good reason to believe they had been attacked by Ukraine they could have imploded the whole house of cards by invoking Article 5 against them.
>>2703992I suspect they didn’t because they don’t want to be laughed out of the room where NATO keeps the Article 5 Now! button, as that would certainly demand a break away from NATO and likely the EU.
>>2703992>Any government seriously trying to break up the Western coalitionNever implied they would. Hungary, like a lot of others are to some degree or another, playing both sides. That's for example why Erdogan and Orban are depicted as similar, autocratic etc., in the western mythology. "Necessary evil".
>good reason to believe they had been attacked by Ukraine(the) Ukraine is also not a monolith. They have their own little green men.
That's not an article 5 case. No one is that stupid.
Obvious caveat: Article 5 is wishy-washy bs
on several levels
“such action as it deems necessary”
>>2704005>as that would certainly demand a break away from NATO and likely the EUWhich they don't actually want to do, which is the point I'm making. They're not actually trying to jump ship to the Russian camp, they're just threatening to do so to extract more gibs from Brussels. They're like a spoiled kid threatening to run away because they want ice cream for dinner.
>>2704027Dude, NATO/EU is forcing Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia to become cold and electricity-less in solidarity with Ukraine. Germany has felt the pain of switching to US gas and oil, and now it is seething that Hungary-Slovakia-Szechia aren't feeling the pain too. Hungary is doing a little bit of "sovereign" politics, and suddenly, you call them sitting on both chairs
>>2704042>Hungary is doing a little bit of "sovereign" politics, and suddenly, you call them sitting on both chairsNo I'm saying they're sitting on the NATO chair, and all this talk of sovereignty is a ploy to get a more comfy spot on it.
<Russian communists response to the KKK€ >>2689093
Address of the Communist Parties of Russia to the Communist and Workers’ Parties
Dear Comrades,
We, like many communist parties, have been attentively following the course of the 22nd Congress of the Communist Paty of Greece and the resolutions it has been passing.
We recognize the services of the CPG as a combative party which has a glorious record of anti-fascist struggle. We also remember and value the contribution of the CPG to the organization of the international communist movement during the period of reaction in the wake of the breakup of the Soviet Union. We hoped that the decisions of the Congress would strengthen the ranks of Greek communists and contribute to the cohesion of the international communist movement. But this did not happen.
Acquainting ourselves with the materials of the Greek comrades published on Solidnet site, we do not challenge their right to have their own point of view and their own assessment of the international situation as well as the positions of specific parties. It is not our intention to brush aside right away their assessments and criticize their position although we radically disagree with it. But we categorically reject the remarks and assessments contained in the report of the CC to our common movement, the International Meetings of Communist and Workers’ Parties (IMCWP). The comrades claim that these meetings, initiated by the CPG, have gradually exhausted their potential and lost the initial meaning of their existence, turning into an arena ofacrimonious and fruitless discussions and aggravating the protracted crisis of the communist movement.
To put it briefly and plainly, having what we consider to be a profoundly mistaken position on the current war in Ukraine and other regions, the comrades cannot withstand scientific arguments and leave, almost run away from, the theoretical battlefield. The comrades started by introducing censorship of the materials on Solidnet site, and now maintain that the IMCWP has lost it reason for being. In other words, the CPG comes out for dissolution of the community. We see the already familiar tactic of dodging theoretical struggle. This is how the CPG comrades behaved with regard to the European Communist Initiative and the Communist Review journal. They willfully shut down the project, pushed out all those who disagree with their dubious pyramid theories and denial of the historical practice of the communist movement, including the heritage of the Comintern, and together with the parties who take the cue from them, have set up their own community which distorts the Leninist teaching on imperialism. It has to be noted that the comrades are not only taking advantage of the position of the party running the Solidnet site, but are practically initiating and backing the splitting activities of various anti-party groups within the other parties.
The comrades aver that the CPG, loyal to the principle of proletarian internationalism, and considering the international character of class struggle and the need for a common strategy of the communist movement, is seeking the formation of a Marxist-Leninist pole and revolutionary reorganization of the international communist movement. In reality the actions of the CPG narrow the front of the struggle against imperialism and by their misguided policy wittingly or unwittingly help the main imperialist aggressor to shift part of the responsibility on the rival forces, Russia, China and so on. The comrades stubbornly turn a blind eye to the fact that it is one and the same pack of imperialist predators that organizes the genocide of the Palestinian people, pursues aggression against Russia with the hands of the nazis in Ukraine, exerts pressure on Venezuela and Cuba, Iran and the DPRK and the like. And, downright indecently, the CPG openly shies away from the struggle against living nazis in Ukraine. The war has been going on since 2014, whereas they condemn what they claim to be unjustified interference of Russia in February 2022 even as more than 15,000 people have already died. With absolutely no justification the CPG condemns and besmirches the holding of “anti-fascist forums” and events of the World Anti-Imperialist Forum, primarily because they are critical of the CPG’s position. In their words, “… an anti-CPG mission is being performed.”
Our parties are firmly convinced that the International Meetings of Communist and Workers’ Parties (IMCWP) and the Solidnet site must continue to function. But we maintain that it would be wrong to avoid the discussion of pressing and common root problems of the movement and that it is necessary to secure the opportunity of free exchange of opinions and the pursuit of scientific theoretical struggle. We do not want to see a split over the mistaken views of the Greek comrades. We come out for the preservation of Solidnet and for the parties speaking their minds and for scientific methods of debate. Only those who are unsure of themselves are afraid of theoretical struggle. Our parties are confident in themselves and in the validity of the Marxist-Leninist theory.
The task today is to form a united anti-imperialist, anti-fascist front. We propose this to be the theme of the 24th International Meeting of Communist Parties in Cuba in 2026.
The Russian Communist Workers’ Party
The Communist Party of the Russian Federation
The Communist Party of the Soviet Union
The Union of Communist Parties – the Communist Parties of the Soviet Union
>have been attentively following the course of the 22nd Congress of the Communist Pa[r]ty of Greece
Well, I sure as fuck haven't. Can you just tell me who is trolling who? Who's winning the slapfight?
>>2704027I get that, but it still presumes that if Hungary did try to invoke Article 5, that would actually result in anything happening against Ukraine and their
only motivation in keeping strum is because they want more leverage within NATO rather than protecting their sovereignty.
Whereas I accept that ultimately NATO is going to do nothing against Ukraine in response to Hungary invoking Article 5, and that in all likelihood the result would just be NATO punishing Hungary for revealing the truth of their “defensive pact”.
Yes Ukraine blowing up an oil refinery is a breach of Hungary’s sovereignty, but so is then potentially getting thrown the fuck out of NATO to protect Ukraine from the consequences of their actions against Hungary, a NATO nation.
>>2704066I don't seriously think NATO would take any action in defense of Hungary. I'm just saying that if Hungary wanted a great excuse to leave NATO while also potentially damaging its internal cohesion beyond repair, invoking Article 5 would be a great way to do it. This is precisely because NATO would take no action against Ukraine, thus giving Hungary a great reason to leave while also defeating (from the perspective of many smaller NATO members) the entire purpose of the alliance in the first place, potentially leading to more countries leaving.
>>2704103They don’t really need a reason to leave NATO, I believe they can do that at any time. Invoking Article 5 and having that cause structural damage when that leads nowhere is also not a likely outcome either, since the decision to do nothing is a collective one and a decision that will be taken in full awareness and support of that self-contradiction. I doubt any member is under any illusion of what NATO is actually about, including Hungary. So all I think is happening with Hungary is they want the benefits of NATO, but they don’t want that to cost them their trade relations with Russia.
It’s a circumstance incompatible with NATO membership, thus Hungary has the choice of either obeying and accepting the economic damage, or defy their orders which they can get away with in aid of maintaining an image of unity, but only if Hungary treads lightly elsewhere, including swallowing a likely attack by Ukraine. If they go to far with it, they’ll have given NATO an easy ride in saying they’re a Russian proxy and unity depends on having them pushed out.
>>2704062KKE has been making statements complaining about the state of IMCWP/Solidnet and the need to "reorganize" it because not every party there is onboard with their "everything is imperialism" theories. RCWP specifically has been trying to debate them on this via articles, but KKE has been ignoring them and even blocking them from being published on the Solidnet website.
RCWP itself is a long time ally of KKE, but it split over the SMO into RCWP proper which is critically supportive and the Russian Labor Front who are cultish KKE dickriders.
All this probably signals a greater split between anti-campists and multipolarists since KKE seems to be intent to replace IMCWP with a network of its proxy parties and the rest will have to go elsewhere, probably based on the World Anti-Imperialist Platform.
>>2704149Suppose it was inevitable
>>2704276
>>2704333
dude wat, did you mistake the thread or smth
>tfw Hungary becomes second Belarus because of Ukrainian school of diplomacy
>Asked by Frankel whether he had any recommendations about “hard power” options for the US against Iran, Wilson insisted that his role was not to provide policy advice. He was much more comfortable boasting about NED’s role in shaping anti-Iran media narratives, such as the one blaming the country’s leadership for persistent drought conditions:
>“Part of what we see manifesting is a response that our partners have helped tell the Iranian people the story, that the regime has squandered their own resources on supporting proxies throughout the Middle East, to the point where they cannot manage their own water supplies for Tehran. And these stories have not just emerged, they are ones that have been covered, documented, and shared with the Iranian people consistently through our work.”
>Elsewhere in his testimony, Wilson appeared to take credit for the election of a right-wing government in Bolivia – and that his NED did so to ensure US control over the country’s mineral wealth: “In Bolivia,” he declared, “our partners prevented lithium from falling under Moscow’s control.”
>Wilson also revealed that NED is funding and training media in Nicaragua with an eye on undermining the country’s socialist-oriented Sandinista government. “We have an incredible suite of Nicaraguan journalists with coverage networks inside the country,” he boasted.
>Rep. Frankel closed the session by suggesting that the US government was mirroring many of the repressive tactics the NED condemned abroad: “Political enemies being imprisoned by autocratic leaders. Masked men going into homes and terrorizing people. Certainly can understand why so many people are fleeing their countries. Unfortunately, it sounds very sad, because it sounds like the story that’s going on here.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-strategic-dilemma-at-the-heart
>Many Global South countries are afflicted with similar dilemmas when faced with the Empire’s ceaseless aggression. In the case of Russia, many have long complained about how Putin “cucks out” and “plays it safe” due to his belief that not upsetting the apple cart too much will maintain the status quo and lead to eventual victory, whereas taking far more decisive yet riskier action up front could regain total initiative from the aggressor. The safer choice leads to a kind of perceived slow strangulation of Russia that is game-theoretically deemed a safer play than an explosively decisive action that could potentially win the game outright, but just as quickly invite devastating consequences. The best example being the idea of Russia directly striking US aerial assets—like surveillance drones in the Black Sea, etc.—as a final “red line” delineation. This could lead to the US backing off all its ISR assets, giving Russia a much easier free ride to victory henceforth; or it could lead to a flashpoint where the US chooses to respond kinetically against a weakened, vulnerable Russia with its hands full. The choice to “play it safe” and allow US’s ISR assets to give Ukraine eyes and ears seems cautiously pragmatic, but invites great long-term risks for Russia, which include a gradual ‘mission creep’ of US military brazenness that will grow to test Russian boundaries and limits in increasingly dangerous ways.…
>Most people—particularly anonymous online commentators—are driven by pure knee-jerk emotion and will always loudly favor the immediate risky reaction. But if they were ever put in the position themselves, where everything—including their lives—was on the line, they would likely find themselves hard-pressed to “pull the trigger”. They too would likely become docile in the face of their captors, and allow themselves to be quietly marched toward the gallows without resistance—because for humans it’s always easier to hope for more time rather than face the uncertain consequences of one’s own direct actions.#gotem
>>2704749the west is poison
>>2703982>Entryway drugs should be bannedYeah, like alcohol. Every time I did coke, molly, 2cb, etc. I was drunk. Every time I smoked weed the only drug I did was more weed. The 80s are calling gramps, they want their drug theories back.
>>2704763>SIMPlicius simping for Cucktin yet again<Guys trust me if Cucktin did something BOLD for once in his entire godforsaken life, then NATO/America would instantly decapitate Russia! If I wanted to see someone give Putin a blowjob I would just switch to Vladimir Solovyov or Margarita from RT. If I was in charge I wouldn't hesitate to wipe Kiev off the map.
>>2705090Literally, it’s only NAFOids that care about Margarita Simonyan. RT can be selective about its reporting, but it’s ultimately a news aggregator of Western MSM sources corroborating reports that come from TASS. If there are opinion or analysis articles, they’re labelled as such. It’s actually incredibly milquetoast as a news outlet, especially in comparison to Western MSM and its refusal to simply report on shit without editorialising. It’s honestly quite sad therefore that Simonyan gets presented as Russia’s chief propagandist and a master of lies, when all RT does is just string together “Russian state said X, western states denies it” with the inevitable Reuters article six months later that confirms X happened and here’s the incredible people behind it who tricked Russia whom had no idea.
Margarita Simonyan is a top tier milf
>>2705090hmm, maybe you're right, but i have to assume he's thought this through more than you have because his name.
>>2705189Is that what the article says?
>>2703559The 12 countries in question:
Belarus
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cuba
DPRK
Eritrea
Iran
Mali
Nicaragua
Niger
Russia
Sudan
>>2705189If by some ill conceived miracle Russia would accept a peace deal,it really would be a disaster for Ukraine if the war ended. The gibs would stop, the loan repayment would start, they would have to start paying the families of the dead, a lot of betrayed men with military experience would start to return home in a country with a lot of unaccounted weapons. The people would start asking questions and demanding elections and eventually zelensky's head if he doesn't flee right at the start. The country would collapse into anarchy and civil war in months.
>>2703559>>>2703324>>Only 12 nations actively support Ziggers>lol>and they're still winninglol
>>2705226in addition though, what did the world powers do:
USA, China, Russia are the big 3
then maybe India and Brazil next tier, then maybe Iran.
All voted against or abstained.
The Eurocucks and the Micronesia's of the world outnumber them though, so there's that.
>>2705278>recognition of Ukraine's bordersThanks for agreeing that 100+ nations, a clear majority, want Russia to go away and give back Ukraine's 1990s borders.
>>2705286I saw her today at the reception, glass of wine in her hand…
>>2705286How many of them would vote for Ukraine
>Shelling civilians>Placing restrictions on Russian language for native speakers>Placing military installations next to or inside civilian buildings like apartment blocks and schools>Avoiding telling their civilians that conflict is about to break out, explicitly to prevent them fleeing>Kidnapping people off the street to be conscripted>Conscripting people with serious health conditions like Tuberculosis and HIV>Denial of Banderite genocideTo suggest that the majority of the world is on Ukraine’s side against Russia, Ukraine would have to present a motion for all of those crimes and have 107 countries vote that they agree Ukraine was justified in all of it. Otherwise, as I said previously, Ukraine is just exploiting the fact that most neutral countries are going to agree “invasion bad”.
>>2705286the only countries that matter don't
>Ukraine is so popular
>We even have Micronesia on our side
>>2705286>100+ nationsand all of them are BOG (burger occupied goverment)
>>2705286who cares what "the majority" wants, you fucking lib? lmao
>>2705425>"We have no majority among the people, and without this condition the uprising is hopeless. . . ." t. Lenin
>>2705425>>2705435i bet the majority of people (not states) are represented by against/abstain
>>2705463picture on the left it's a vote on
the declaration on the rights of peasants and other people working in rural areas.
besides food, as human right, of course, with this picrel ITP, I present another banger.
nafo malding: 2703559
>>2705479I love the excuse provided that there are “deep concerns” that development would be prioritised over human rights. That it favours states over individuals (as if that isn’t the most mask off statement ever made lmao)
Maybe not everyone wants schools and hospitals and industry and energy and modern housing, what about their human right to have everyone else in their country condemned to permanently live in the pre-industrial era?
>>2705435>the majority of people outside of Russia should decide what Russia should doLeninhat with yet another retarded take
>>2705499> what about their human right to have everyone else in their country condemned to permanently live in the pre-industrial era?but not
what about food as a human right of fucking course.
>>2705520another ghost of kiyuyiv
I do wonder if snipers are even a thing anymore, I know some vids from DPR snipers from early on in the war, but at this point you're just a sitting duck for drones and drones do your job and better anyway
>>2705520Materialist explanation for how the entire Ukrainian entertainment industry have turned out to be elite snipers, intelligence operatives, military tacticians, politicians and even national leaders?
Washington warned Kiev after strikes hit US-linked oil infrastructure – envoy>A Ukrainian drone attack which disrupted supplies of crude from Kazakhstan in November prompted censure, according to Ambassador Stefanishina<The demarche followed Ukrainian naval drone strikes on the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk last November, which disrupted the work of the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC), a project partially owned by US oil majors Chevron and ExxonMobil.>It [the demarche] was related to the very fact that American economic interest was affected there, we have taken the note on that.”https://swentr.site/russia/633011-stefanishina-us-protest-kazakhstan/Along side Hungary and Slovakia citing Ukrainian attacks against Russian oil infrastructure that supplies them when vetoing
givas for Ukraine, it’s suffice to say the plan to target Russian oil wasn’t flawless.
Although if the attacks are masterminded by the Trump government, it seems odd they’d target their own interests and then complain about it.
>>2705556the entertainment industry is run by glowies
>>2705520>47 yoobviously a joke, she looks 90
the ukraine
>>2705500>the majority of people outside of Russia should decide what Russia should doAnd? Russia seems to think people outside of Ukraine (Russians) should decide what Ukraine should do.
>>2705286>"communist" cares about le modern nation stateinteresting
>>2705709Lenin certainly did because according to Putin (pbuh), Ukraine was an invention of the Bolsheviks. So logically as Bolsheviks let's support the continued national self determination of Ukraine as set out by Lenin, and which Putin is so relentlessly angry over.
>>2705707>Russia seems to think people outside of Ukraine (Russians) should decide what Ukraine should do.Why do you talk about nation states like they are people?
>>2705712>So logically as Bolsheviks let's support the continued national self determination of Ukraine as set out by Lenin, and which Putin is so relentlessly angry over.Bolsheviks actually fought against Ukrainian nationalists so no. Bad bait.
>>2705712Look up what Lenin and Stalin did to the German puppet government. Shit do be crazy
>>2705723>It's common shorthand in English to refer to a country's population or government by a country's name. Which proves my point.
>country's population or governmentWhy do you use "or"? These arent interchangeable.
>>2705734>Listen to Putin's speeches on how Ukrainians don't really exist in a historical sense and they have always actually been Russians instead. You can take an ultra stance on the war and say no to both sides but you cannot condemn the ukrainian government without also condemning the russian government. And this simple fact makes all Ziggers fume and instantly get mad.What am I supposed to care what he thinks? Rent free tbh.
>but you cannot condemn the ukrainian government without also condemning the russian government. You never condemned the ukrainian government. So, condemn it. I am also that anon that thinks the communists should coup Cucktin since he likes Trumps cock so much (hey, very similar to Zelenskkky), nationalists do have something in common
>grammar nazism again
Who the fuck cares? It’s an imageboard, not the Oxford Union
>>2705751Anglo (racism)
Of course as most everyone else knows, not being anglo makes you statistically more likely to be less of a retard by some margin.
>>2705750>You never condemned the ukrainian governmentNone of them ever do. Like not even to throw us off the scent, do they ever provide some kind of disagreement with Ukraine’s methods or actions, when they’re raving about their successes in cucking Putler.
>>2705750Also before you misunderstand me again: I very much deny nation states and also deny the national makeup of those people that might reside in such. I do not care if you Ukrainian, Russian, Indian, Polish, German, etc… your national history is completely irrelevant and your past suffering does not grant you a right for special treatment.
>>2705762Whats more irritating is the fact that I am the anon that actually disagreed with you on multiple occasions, even noting the repressions happening to communists in Russia but that makes me Zigger apparently. But thats the thing: If Russia suddenly outright banned the communist party, wouldnt they just follow into the footsteps of Ukraine? A government that has already done so? I really dont get it.
They’re also extremely trusting of Ukrainian claims as well. Perhaps the thread remembers the anon who was absolutely incredulous about the phrase “small, smokey fires”? I was denying reality that Ukraine was destroying entire and irreparable oil refineries all over Russia, the drones were flying thousands of kilometres over Russian airspace with impunity, Ukraine is going to succeed in blacking out the country any day now why look at the one report of a line of cars outside one petrol station already, all of Russia’s oil customers were going to jump ship to more safe sources, the US is actually planning all the attacks, etc
In the end
>Oil refining capacity reduced by less than 10%
>No economic or civic break down in Russia over fuel shortages
>It was revealed that Ukrainian drones were often flying largely over the Black Sea or neighbouring countries to avoid Russian AA, putting a limit on how deep the attacks could be
>Trade partners didn’t ditch Russia as an oil supplier and now NATO resorts to unironic piracy to deny customers their oil
>givas significantly delayed because Hungary and Slovakia are pissed off their Russian oil supplies have been affected
>Ukraine “accidentally” droned assets owned by US Big Oil
And now it’s ironically Ukraine that is suffering blackouts from energy infrastructure attacks.
>>2705734>but you cannot condemn the ukrainian government without also condemning the russian governmentWhy not?
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/secrets-of-24222
>That’s why, strana argues, the only way that Russia’s February 2022 invasion plan could have worked was through a pro-Russian mutiny in the Ukrainian army. The removal of Zelensky or any other political leader would have been meaningless, given the size, strength, and motivation of the army, along with the willingness of the west to support it. Besides, Zelensky himself was rather unpopular among military nationalists to begin with.
>Secretary of the national security and defense council Oleksiy Danilov fed this theory in 2023, claiming that ‘people with very big epaulettes’ were chosen by Russia to lead this mutiny. He denied reports by the British government that pro-Russian politicians were meant to take charge of Ukraine.
>There are other signs supporting Danilov’s claim. Putin’s famous speech on February 24 directly addressed the Ukrainian army, calling for them to overthrow the political leadership:
>But of course, nothing close to such a mutiny took place.
>The possibility arises, as strana points out, that the Russians were being lied to. That they had been convinced of an imminent military coup merely to pull them into Ukraine. And in fact, there is a wealth of evidence suggesting this. cant read the rest and see if the theory has some real evidence, if anyone have access plz share
but anyway, interesting theory, I always assumed he was betting on zelensky finally negotiating when facing doom of the country but maybe they were again completely fooled (would be pretty embarrassing tbh)
>>2705955I dunno, if they were counting on a mutiny then why go directly to Kiev and seek negotiations?
Russia is (was/always) winning.
>>2703672Marxist economics 101 status?
>>2706050I like that they even use the Free French flag from WW2. Even Westoids can deploy their national and revolutionary histories when endowed with proper anti-imperialist consciousness.
>>2706013
>Russia controls ~91000km2 of Ukraine
>Total land area of Earth is ~149000000km2
<Russia took 0.061%
Hahhahaha nice win ziggers 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
>>2706847>Total land area of Earth actually, if you take the total area in the universe as reference, no noticeable territory change ever occurred in human history
>>2706879"enemy positions"
uyghur there's nothing there. all the buildings were destroyed even before the incendiaries were launched. cucktin jacking off uselessly over empty land instead of shoving a nuke up kiev's ass and killing all the drone operators already.
>>2706910It's an ukrainian drone recording a russian strike apparently
>>2706910>>2706911logos can easily be faked but even if this were true it just proves my point: there are no ukrainian soldiers there it's just ukrainian drones hovering aimlessly with the operator 70km away super bored waiting for russians to show up. incendaries don't do shit to stop drone operators. nuke kiev.
You heard him, folks. He said there were no soldiers there so that means there were no soldiers there. Even the logo might be a fake! Time to pack it up.
>>2706954>incendaries don't do shit to stop drone operators.ukrainian drone operators are enchanted with +100% fire resistance
>>2705613>the entertainment industry is run by glowiesBut the good kind! They give us Marvel and D.C.
They are not THAT bad!
>>2707095plot twist: she actually has a kill count of 300, but it's all draft dodgers
>>2705712>Ukraine was an invention of the BolsheviksThis is historically accurate, btw.
>>2707099So Lenin did something wrong after all…
>>2706994that fucker really deserve a missile in the teeth
>>2707234ukrainian drone operators magically launch their drones from afar
>>2707265wow, a british colony.
britbongs finally got some of that sweet resources land to colonize fully.
>>2707265Start the countrdown until the Sunak's very own corruption scandal
>>2707293ukraine had already been cut into different future colonies in like the first year of the war
>>2707322lmao, a pro ukraine guy trying to do this shit is already incredibly funny in itself because of the irony, but is he blind or what?
>>2707318at least there was some feigned decorum. but yeah, since 2023, the masks have been slipping fast. like the website where anyone around the world can buy public-owned assets of the ukrainian government.
>>2707322now ukrainians don't know what и means. funny shit.
Why is this war going so slowly?
>>2707487Tactics haven't caught up to technology.
>>2699557May you find peace in your troubled mind.
>>2707559SLAVA ROSSIYA
Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z
DEPORT ALL MIGRANTS
PRAISE PUTIN
RUSSIA STRONK
RUSSIA POWERFUL
RUSSIAN CAPITALISTS DESERVE MORE LAND AND RESOURCES
UKRAINIANS DO NOT DESERVE TO EXIST
TSARS ARE BLESSED BY GOD
TEAR DOWN ALL SOVIET STATUES
LENIN WAS SENT BY THE DEVIL
Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z
Ok but on a serious note can we discuss the growing reactionary trends in Russia? The migrant rage-baiting by the Russian nationalist retards is getting so bad that Russian kids in schools are carrying out school shootings and killing minority groups because they've been brainwashed into becoming fascist retards.
It's so scary that Belarusian police forces are placing their own schoolkids under an increased surveillance program to find and arrest neonazis before they can do anything because they don't want the same stupid shit happening in Belarus.
>>2707893blame the satanic pedophilic TCC 764 o9a twitter discord telegram grooming community. They aren't even fascists they just wanna shoot up schools and get a new "high score".
>>2707651>automatically assume the negotiation was in bad faithonly the westoid imperialists and more precisely the US really do this, the turkey negotiation was pretty clearly genuine from russia
>>2708139
The difference with Assad is the US only needed to destabilise the Syrian government with little interest in the cohesion of the various groups they’re supporting within Syria. Whereas for Russia, they need to keep the Ukrainian government stable in order to exploit in a proxy war, external to what they consider to be Russian territory. If the Ukrainian government dissolves into various factions fighting against each other over creating a new Ukrainian state to replace the residual Kievian state, then Ukraine ends up like Syria, not Russia.
Make no mistake, the US and EU aren’t handing over billions in hard cash to salary the troops and pay compensation to their families, it’s primarily to keep up high salaries for anyone who was invested in the state pre-war and more importantly anyone who might walk if their investments in said state stop paying out.
>>2707893You do realize that said nazis have been in charge of the government and military of Ukraine for 12 years, right?
>>2708238The anti-campist opposition has also weighed in and called the Ayatollah cucked. It’s ogre, no critical support for Iran.
>>2707893that kid was clearly groomed by westoids on discord
>>2708244>No Lives MatterAt the very least it’s a copycat incident inspired by westoid mass shooters
>>2708290This wasn't even real. The channel was run by a scam artist who photoshopped all requests and wasn't part of the military. He got exposed and ran away.
>>2708279Telling you to go back lol
Seems like the US and Israel strikes the Ayatollah’s residence in an assassination attempt, a tactic we’ve been assured ends a conflict instantly as it scares the great men being targeted… and yet there’s explosions still being reported in basically every Middle Eastern country that has a US military base in it.
>>2708299proof? there were video of them loading the shells and firing them iirc
>>2708299>>2708542It was Grishaputin, and not fake lol
I hope that all the newly made millionaire hoholinas in Dubai are all right.
does anyone have the meme of the ukrainian pig screeching with a speech bubble
>>2708659More than alright, think of all the rubble they’ll be able to pose next to for Instagram
>>2707487Ukraine's forces are full of bad shit but they're also experienced and not only relying on their own soviet stockpiles, but soviet stockpiles from former Warsaw Pact countries in NATO sending arms and huge deliveries of American and West-European armaments. Then you have huge numbers of mercenaries and off-the-books Western special forces. By basically exploiting the fuck out of the population and sending everything to the front lines, Ukraine is holding out.
Additionally drone warfare and over a thousand kilometers of mines, as well as heavy air-defenses on alert mean that Russian forces cannot do what they did in the early days of the war and rapidly enter deep into the country through air-lift and mechanized fast tactics, so instead they're going for the classic, bomb the shit out of a firing point, send in small groups to clear it and take the position and hold it for the frontline to move forward and cover them. This is extremely slow and means a couple dozen kilometers of progress per day across the entire frontline.
The reason for this is Russia, contrary to retarded memes and propaganda in the West, is doing its best to minimize casualties.
>>2707170 >Not the original https://files.catbox.moe/urlht0.mp4 >>2708703>>2707488>technologyIt’s a part of it, but the major factor is just Ukraine never retreats and therefore Russia is never forced to chase them. The conflict is therefore slow in terms of territory, but I’ve no doubt we will see the casualty rates exponentially increase for Ukraine from 2022 to whatever year this finally ends.
It’s often the case that the last few months of a conflict are the bloodiest, even up to resulting in a significant proportion of the final death count for the entire conflict. But we often see that as part of a “last stand” at a place far too close to home for the losing side after the “big arrow” offensives and everyone can reason that at that point the situation is obviously dire and naturally are tired, under supplied, wounded or unfit to fight and that results in massive casualties. Ukraine and NAFO are currently boasting that their busified conscripts for whom rotations are an impossibility once deployed have stalemated Russia in Donbass. That might be the truth, or perhaps the “Battle of Berlin” for this conflict ends up being the Battle of Slovyansk and/or Kramatorsk. We only end up fighting the terminal battle in Berlin because German high command decided again and again to retreat in the face of defeats, but only because that’s the common consensus to retreat to some natural fortification that shortens the route for logistics and is easier defend with less men while reinforcements arrive. If they wanted to, they could have lost in 1945 or probably even earlier, bussing the Volkssturm to Stalingrad.
>>2708649First pic is Timofey Kulyamov, kid who recently carried out a knife attack at a school. Tying him to some kind of reactionary undecurrent in Russia is questionable, as he was clearly radicalized by Westoid online brainrot. Like his gear was decked out in english language /pol/ memes and references. Just a mentally ill person who was groomed by o9a fags on discord.
The other pic is from a 2012 Russian March, which have been banned since.
>>2708811>pic 1Yeah I thought as much, there's been some similar shit in Kazakhstan right now. Reminds me of that retard with the Martha Speaks dog from a few years back, who has the same logos and symbols.
>2012 march <over a decade ago and bannedHAHAHAHA I fucking knew it. The photos looked vaguely familiar.
>>2708817Sure, also surely no one in Ukraine at this point believes the war is going well for them, but they’re also convinced by the front still being in Donbass that it must be going just as badly or even worse for Russia and there’s still hope that their resolve will outlast Russia’s or at least keeping the conflict going “punishes” Russia.
If they’d retreated at all (like unmistakably so, none of this “the slag heap Russia captured was symbolic and served its purpose of killing a million Russians to minimal Ukrainian casualties”) I don’t think Ukrainians would be quite as tolerant about the conflict.
>>2708847It's American Exceptionalism at its most typical; assuming a narrative that fits their world-view.
>>2708851>surely no one in Ukraine at this point believes the war is going well for themThere's always someone deluded enough to believe that, but yeah the general population is so tired of it they're outright killing recruitment officers in the streets on a weekly basis.
>I don’t think Ukrainians would be quite as tolerant about the conflict. I agree. It's the primary reason they're pulling the Nazi shit of having blocking detachments specifically to catch and kill people attempting to retreat or desert, because a retreat like Bakhmut would create a huge fallout socially.
I wonder how many tabs anti-campists will have to have open and keep up their cuckposting for by the end of 2026?
>>2709225>Iran falls>Russia falls because we now control most of the world's oil+took out their drone production from Iran >China falls since they have no more allies left and are too busy building civilian stuff to improve lives rather than investing in their military>We can destroy Cuba and Nicaragua whenever we want afterwards >Complete NATO victorycry about it
>>2709257The pretence that all of that is equal to whatever Russia/China/Iran does is admittedly more bothering to me than any of those coming true
>>2709257>iran fallslay off the peremogium
Poor Zelenskyy. He can feel the givas drying up by the hour.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2027742862977200307
>Events in the Middle East and the Gulf region are unfolding extremely rapidly. Unfortunately, Ukraine knows all too well what this is about. Although Ukrainians never threatened Iran, the Iranian regime chose to become Putin’s accomplice and supplied him with “shahed” drones, and not only the drones themselves, but also the technologies to produce them. Iran also provided other weapons to Russia.
>Over the course of this full-scale war, Russia has used more than 57,000 shahed-type attack drones against the Ukrainian people, cities, and energy infrastructure. Other nations have also suffered from Iranian-backed terror. Therefore, it is fair to give the Iranian people a chance to rid themselves of a terrorist regime and to guarantee security for all nations that have suffered from terror originating in Iran.
>Our position is well known, and Ukraine has stated it repeatedly, including recently. It is important to preserve as many lives as possible. It is important to prevent the war from expanding. It is important that the United States is acting decisively. Whenever there is American resolve, global criminals weaken. This understanding must also come to the Russians.
>People cannot know the day or the hour, yet every act of evil, terror, and aggression against neighbors ultimately meets a just response. We expect that, in the end, the Middle East region will become safer and more stable. Much has already changed toward that goal.
>Ukraine is ready to help every nation so that security and justice increase, and terrorist regimes decrease.>>2709389>It is important to preserve as many lives as possible.KEK
>>2709456How spectacle-brained do you have to be to think that Khamenei's #1 priority right now is to prove Israeli hasbaraperemogas wrong?
>>2709466>Polymarket | The World's Largest Prediction Market™There's no doubt money on this. But Iran has called переводной on the US/Israel strikes
>>2709257what if, hear me out here, the opposite were true?
When will this fucking war end? I want the killings and bombings to stop. Fuck this retarded shit.
>>2709661When you do revolutionary defeatism in the imperial core
>>2709661>this fucking warThe bombing never ends.
>>2708279Not complete without r/VolunteersforUkraine, r/atheism, r/antinatalism, r/childfree,r/petfree, r/dogfree, r/catfree, r/cuckoldry, r/BNWO, r/antiwork and r/fuckcars.
>>2709868Don’t forget r/marvel
>>2710685
>>2710694
>great man brainrot
Le interimperialist conflict guys
Oh my god I just realized that the purpose of the Telegram ban is to be able to be able to capitulate to Ukraine without patriotic opposition having a platform to point out the betrayal.
Putin has agreed to accept US security guarantees for Ukraine, Zelensky’s office chief Budanov said.
Budanov added that the Russian army is not preparing to advance on Kyiv at this time. He also expressed confidence in the prospects of peace talks, noting that the issue of demilitarized zones has already been resolved.
What does this mean? Please I'm just a dumb hot girl, explain to me like I'm a baby
>>2711240ukraine lies about everything. await separate confirmation to determine if it means anything.
>>2711287
>The west are prolific liars
<LOL U GOT FOOLED AGAIN!
Certainly an interpretation.
>>2711301
That being Russia using this western lie among many others as cause to not give Ukraine the temporary ceasefire it wants, on the basis the west can’t be trusted to not use that to reinforce Ukraine who will then continue the conflict unilaterally.
>>2711298>>2711302Russia is literally agreeing to a US ceasefire. Stop the cope. You got mindbroken.
>No demilitarization
>No denazification
>Not all 4 oblasts
>Full security gurantees for Ukraine
Zisters…it's over…
>>2711323lmao, its truly fucking over. Girkin was right all along.
If only sources could be posted, then we wouldn’t had to pontificate about what “US security guarantees for Ukraine” actually means
>>2711325
>They'll instead agree to something that sounds reasonable on paper and then proceed to ignore all the little gimmicks by which the US makes a mockery of the agreement.
I'm ready for all the videos of Cucktin and his friends complaining that "they were simply fooled" 3 years from now as Amerikkka finishes moving nuclear weapons into Kiev.
>“I think security guarantees will be activated alongside the end of the war, if we reach that point,” Budanov said
*if*
>>2711342all this text and theorizing itt above based solely on something fucking budanov said. smh
>>2711347No way Starmer is lasting until July
>>2711348This happens once a month on average where the thread gets raided by people completely confident that Russian capitulation is imminent, based on internet shit. Whether that’s coming from Ukrainian Xitter, Russian doomer telegram, one of three internet commentators, all of it taken as proof the NAFO hype train is still rolling and it’s definitely everyone else getting fooled, not them waiting to pull into the “Russia Lost” station for over four years.
>>2711376https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/kyiv-says-russia-accepted-us-plan-ukraine-security-guarantees-2026-02-28/Russia hasn't denied it
>b-but they don't careIt takes 5 seconds to tweet and shut out disinfo. The morale of hundreds of thousands of soldiers depends on it. Not that Russians care too much about their own soldiers.
>Ukraine is lyingSuch a bold faced and easily countered lie would hurt Ukraines reputation and also hurt the morale of their troops and citizens.
>>2711396>ukraine wouldn't lie it would hurt their imagehahaha
>>2711396>Such a bold faced and easily countered lie would hurt Ukraines reputationThis was said word-for-word when a Ukrainian S-300 crashed in Poland and claimed it was a Russian attack.
>>2711401Yes Ukraine lies, but they won't make such an easily countered lie that takes literally 5 seconds to counter. What is Russia waiting for?
>>2711410>based on internet shit<It takes 5 seconds to tweet and shut out disinfo.Imagine doubling down on that, back to /isg/ with you
>>2711413
Yeah see you next month when you say exactly this again about "uncomfortable concessions" already being made.
>>2711419
Based. Cucktinposters win again.
>>2711419
I don't understand the offence, all I've ever do is just attempt to interpret whatever has or hasn't happened as logical.
Perhaps that's flawed in that not everything happens for a logical reason, but I'm fairly sure there's logic behind the decisions that the Kremlin makes and that's what I aim to figure out.
On the basis that I've been called a "trickster" and "smarter than other ziggers", I'd assume that to more open minds I'd be considered successful at that goal and therefore convincing that not every action can, nay, MUST be chalked up as a preference for cuckoldry.
>>2711431
I don't like chauvinists.
>>2711433I've criticised Russia before, its just not taken the form of obsessively posting the word "cuck".
Like, if asking a chauvinist what their native language was and what other languages they speak as they mock anons for not being native English speakers 80 times is a meltdown, what is cuckposting for years?
>>2711419Tbh it's kind of a British national trait to deliberately pretend to be ignorant when it suits your position, and to maliciously misinterpret every counter-argument when you can't get away with just playing dumb.
>>2711434Cucktinposters are the Cassandras of this thread. Iron Felix would have died from laughter by now if he hadn't been perma-banned first.
>>2711437lead fred still walks amongst us
>>2711437You know, for the charge of "dumb takes", it seems like all anyone can say is ancillary stuff about my nationality or my grammar or my geography skills.
I'm afraid to say though, being irrevocably prideful about one's nationality is uniquely an American trait. The only reason why cucktinposting is a thing is because Yanks can't handle their state being the originator of most conflicts in the globe today, it's not that Americans are
passive at all as the millions of bodies pile up and that's like consent or anything, no the rest of the world are cucks who won't stand up for themselves so it's their fault stop calling me treatler.
>>2711450
But I was criticising language snootiness. The anon didn't respond because they were obviously an American, "ESL" is an American term or at least I've never seen it used here.
>>2711446>It's not that Americans are passive at all as the millions of bodies pile up and that's like consent or anything, no the rest of the world are cucks who won't stand up for themselves so it's their fault I'm going to expand the horizons of your mind. Watch this:
Both statements are true. Also the grammar angle actually came out of someone getting incredibly angry about a Cambridge Five joke they didn't get, thinking I was waving some education credentials at the thread and they aimed to prove to me that without going to such a fancy school, their grammar is better than mine.
>>2711456Not good enough in my opinion, I think too much time is spent arguing the latter and not enough confronting the former.
>>2711463
The only reason why it was spammed is because someone was very happy to throw the term "ESL" about, but not so happy about admitting the chauvinism of that.
Flags were a mistake. Abolish flags. Death to all microcelebrities.
I'll just round this conversation off by point out that, whatever can be claimed to be "anti-campism" , spending years in multiple threads covering US aggression and imperialism trying to force consent for said aggression and imperialism by calling the targets "cucks", with the caveat that if Venezuela/Iran/Cuba/Russia hypothetically nuked Washington DC you'd hypothetically be supportive of that, ain't it.
>>2711479
It was obvious to everyone with a brain that the US and Zionists took out the entire Iranian air defense grid in the last conflict and were free to bomb whatever they wanted to, but Trump got a bit scared of the potential fallout and backed off.
That should have been an immediate signal to the Iranians to expedite construction of an actual nuke, but they did jack shit and pretended like they won something knowing full well that the next time the Americans came the same thing would happen. Moronic.
I do not exaggerate when I state that 95% of the people ITT (with the sole exception of Champ and his friends/sockpuppets) who have posted here over the years, would be able to do a better job managing the national defense of the imperialized states in question, than the actual security apparatus of those states themselves. Hell I bet even the leftcom posters wouldn't be stupid enough to avoid developing nukes.
>>2711419>>2711422>>2711429>>2711431>>2711433>>2711437>>2711438>>2711450>>2711479>>2711494What is the mother tongue of each one of you?
>>2711495>Friends/sockpuppets Lmao that’s just sad
>>2711517
>I was told that decap strikes aren't the way to impress BRICS allies,
i remember in the Hezbollah 2024 war that it was said that they don't work at all.
>>2711517
BRICs is not a thing and never will be.
>>2711517
Yeah why aren’t countries openly making enemies of the global hegemon as it illegally bombs anyone who makes enemies of them?
No one is this stupid, it takes effort to convince oneself that the US’ lawlessness isn’t unique to them and their position of global authority.
>>2711530>States and organizations being attacked by Americans and their allies should also conduct decapitation strikes against their enemies <Um but attacking the US and their allies is stupid actually so they shouldn't do thatnotice champ constantly moving the goalposts lol
>>2711517
hindutvoids have been fellating israel for decades now, no-one sincerely expected them to stop doing that over this war or the last
>>2711534I’m not moving any goalposts. The goalposts were that if Russia did a decap strike against Zelensky that would end the war, now we’ve had Israel decap Hamas and the US decap the Ayatollah and neither ended the conflict.
So now the narrative changes to where okay decaps wouldn’t end the conflict in Ukraine but the only reason why Russia haven’t is to impress BRICS who apparently are unmoved by decap strikes. Subtly flipping from “why” to “why not” wrt to killing Zelensky.
>>2711557
Okay treatler, it’s easier for US imperialism to be collapsed by conflict with isolated states in a globe full of surrender and compliance, than count on Americans gaining awareness and revolting against their bourgeoisie.
I think there’s a certain honesty in that, that I’m inadvertently pro-US Imperialism because I want Americans to do something and that’s like asking for grass to turn blue. I’m not holding out for some big showdown conflict that destroys America as we know it on their behalf, and why wouldn’t I be unless I want US imperialism to succeed? Because it’s a truism that you can’t count on yanks to do anything but make excuses for themselves online and I’m exploiting that.
>>2711479
That's just terminal case of great man idealism. Iran won't fall on the death of Khamenei just like Trump wouldn't end the US-empire or death of Putin would topple Russia. There are institutions and backups for a reason. iran and Khamenei himself was prepared for his death.
For the same reason there will not be a nuclear response. Death of a leader isn't an existential threat to any semi-well build government structure, nor the country as a whole. It's a humiliation and that's what I think this mostly is. People get upset because nafoids do the whole asinine and ghoulish celebration ritual at them on Xitter and they take it personally and want a big happenening to make up for it. In this case nukes. same with Russia and Ukraine's "lol, gottem" strikes at russian targets and want big arrows or nukes at worst.
>>2711527>BRICs is not a thing and never will be.Good. Multipolarists don't believe in economic superblocks. BRICS is just a term given to countries who have seen it fit to cooperate because it benefits all of them. Unlike the EU which is pretty much neocolonialism complete with a labour aristocracy, perifery and resource extraction, capital export, and so on. EU is the fascist wet dream.
It’s also kind of sad when they’re so close in saying
>erm ackshually imperialism doesn’t benefit me, the capital exported means I can’t appropriate it and I neither receive personally a dividend of the resulting profits, ackshually wages are therefore really low but the external economic activity causes my rent to skyrocket
but the take away is that leftypol should therefore stop picking on Westoids as in anyway responsible for toppling western imperialism, why aren’t Iranians tasked with overthrowing radical Islamism or Russians tasked with overthrowing a government that literally replaced the CPSU? “Them first, then *I’ll* start working against US imperialism”, despite already acknowledging it’d be to their own benefit, not in support of Islamists or Anti-Communists abroad.
>>2711602
This timeline is getting so cucked it's unreal.
I'm starting to think Qtards were right that this is all just actors. Nothing makes sense. Cucktin has true brainrot.
So is cucktin going to continue playing by the rules whilst his foes take out his allies one by one.
>>2711644
>Cucktin offers a unilateral guarantee to Ukrainians to not target any of the leaders, but Ukraine still gets to assassinate a Russian general once every few months
Let's hear how Champ is going to try to spin this:
>>2711646What do I need to say about it? Putin just gave the reason, they want a diplomatic solution to the conflict. The Ukrainians can take the American path of saying “diplomacy” but committing acts of war, but it doesn’t seem like that’s working for them.
Who’d have thought that’s only practical when you’re not neighbours with the target of your sneaky cheap shots?
>>2711675
It doesn’t really matter at this point, I’ve rather surpassed Putin as the “great man” in this conflict. It seems that the conflict ends as soon as anyone is able to one up me.
deyankify the ukraine
Strategic partnership status nazissies?
>>2711724Denazify the moskals
>>2711654>defend yourself>"committing acts of war"Nazigger champ is so fucking delusional lmfao this is too funny
>>2711824If you agree to peace deals with the intent to use it as cover for militarisation against people’s right to self-determination, that doesn’t become self-defence retroactively because your big push against the separatists was thwarted via an invasion by the indemnifying state in that deal.
But unironically, when this this thread stop being about anything other than some anons seething at me? About inventing takes on the conflict not based on a desire to understand it, but to win an internet argument with me?
looks like kacaps are going to mobilize again
>>2711609my favorite is the iranian who truly believes that posts on leftypol are holding back an imminent revolution
>>2712440I assume anon's definition of "defend yourself" here doesn't originate from any of Lenin's texts but rather the UN, so does therefore the definition of right to self-determination in this context.
https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2028190375488213080Zelensky went on the twitters to express Ukraine's full-throated support to the unprovoked full-scale war of aggression launched by the USA and Israel against Iran, heralding Ukraine's partnership with the aggressors, calling on the world to join in the aggression, and to spread imperialist lies in support (Iran his murdered tens of thousands of innocent protesterinos!).
in an hour he'll be back to playing the victim and pretending to oppose aggression
Helmer is right about one thing: if the negotiations between Russia and the US really must continue, it's diplomatic malpractice and tremendously disrespectful to Iran to keep conducting them according to the Dmitriev formula seen so far with effusive flattery of Trump.
As I predicted 4 years ago, the narrative about Ukrainian goals has shifted from "return to 1991 borders!" to "survival of the Ukrainian state and people". Ukraine will have lost 5 oblasts and they'll still declare victory. 🤦♀️
<DMITRY PESKOV: “We are guided by our own interests, and it is those interests which we must safeguard. Continuing these talks is in our interest, so we’ll stay open to them. We value the diplomatic efforts being made by the United States, but above all we rely on ourselves. We defend our own interests, and that’s what will guide our actions going forward.
<"As for the economic side of the talks, that work is continuing as normal. It’s being handled by our colleague [Kirill] Dmitriev, and he’s carrying on with it. As always, we’re guided by our own interests.”
boo
>>2714131Ukraine will lose at most two oblasts, and that's only if Putin can finally manage to persuade Trump to give them to him. If Putin had the capability to get them without Trump assistance, the Putin-Dmitriev flattery campaign wouldn't be necessary.
>>2714131This has been the case for years now.
I hope the decapitation we're seeing in Iran lights a fire under Putin's ass and finally makes him pursue decapitation as well. It is completely UNACCEPTABLE that thousands of Russian soldiers have died while Zelly boy keeps doing lines in his mansion. How the FUCK do you Ziggers still support what's going on?
What a disgrace to be a Russian nowadays
FUCKING KEK, the clues are snowballing that a large part of the Israel/US defense strategy in the Middle East was based on believing Zelensky's interception-rate claims for Iranian drones and their Russian offshoots.
>>2715492Our resident Cucktin poster is the one who made you so mindbroken that you stole his flag. Being this obsessed/butthurt about Spurdo is on the same level of pathetic as the trolls who occasionally steal TankAnon and ChampSoc flags.
>>2715919 (me)
…which would be alarming, because I always assumed that American military intel knew the truth but was indulging Zelensky's PR warfare.
>>2715174>What a disgrace to be a Russian nowadaysIranian Chads putting Ziggas to shame. Turns out you can shoot down surveillance drones and retaliate against British bases (not to mention American bases) without having to worry about muh omnipotent American exceptionalists and their WW3 boogeyman.
Hehe, Iranian warriors killed /ukr/ :-/
I too have to try extra hard to find the motivation to post about the fifth year of advance-retreat cycles in Donbass and the second year of dropping compliments on Trump.
Grim. So grim. Anyway, back to where all the TRV anti-imperialist action is…
>>2716312Delete this, you're hurting ziggas feeling ;_;
>>2716312Iran was “decapped” and it didn’t end the conflict. The foundational claim behind cucktinism that the conflict is
just that easy to win has been disproven. For years I and other posters have pushed back against the claim that victory is just that easy, to the retarded assertion that if you (or indeed “95%” of the thread) were in charge then you’d have won this already. But your plan was
>decap Kiev -> Winand it has now for the second time been proven that assumption was incorrect.
Le interimperialist conflict
>>2716476Logical fallacy. Decapping is not an instant-win button, we know. But it's an effective tactics that demoralizes the enemy and weaken it.
You know you can just do things right? You're behaving like a centrist Democrat who says "noooo we can't just tax billionaires" or "noooo we cant just have free healthcare.
No, you can, actually. You. Can. Just. Do. Things.
>>2716492>Decapping is not an instant-win button, we knowLmao
>>2716476>t. fails to understand that conflicts can be different and that Iran isn't jacked up entirely on a mythos of memes and invulnerability like Ukraine isyikes
>>2716492He's just salty that Iran has put to shame all his bedwetting about hitting British and US assets. Gonna make that glowie shilling more difficult :)
>>2716476By that "logic" of every war being an identical blob, Iran has disproven your claim that taking down British/American recon drones or retaliating proportionately against British/American assets for their attacks on the Russian homeland is incorrect.
>>2716506Apart from being religious fundamentalists?
>>2716507What are you talking about? Another the claim from cucktinists was that attacking the US military directly was de-escalatory as the US would back down and that hasn’t happened either.
>>2716514Iran has proven you can take down US/British recon drones or hit US/British bases without causing WWIII. Why can't Cucktin do it, again?
As I mentioned earlier, in about 48 hours Cucktists have re-invented their claims around “why not?” rather than “why?”. No longer is the conflict so easy to win if Russia just did X, now it’s welp why not do X it didn’t change anything elsewhere? Don’t be such a democratic centrist!
Just take the L guys, you’re not master tacticians and frankly neither are your idols in the US DoD.
Shut up, glowie. Nobody buys your American omnipotence shit and "WW3" fear-mongering anymore. Iran has shit all over it, and you're SEETHING.
>>2716518see
>>2716522>still seething >>2716492People who seemingly don't understand what killing Zelensky would do to the Ukrainian war effort (Art of Twitter War) are (1) very dumb, (2) spitefully argumentative because they don't like who's pushing for the action, (3) NATO shills.
There's a reason Budanov was in Geneva begging for a truce against decapitation strikes.
>>2716533Based on polling within Ukraine and Zelensky’s refusal to hold elections (eh, unusual to do during a time of conflict anyway), they could replace Zelensky with a bag of peanuts and that would do wonders for Ukrainian morale on the basis that at the very least, the bag of peanuts isn’t doing anything to
damage Ukraine’s military capabilities.
It’s just disingenuous to claim that Zelensky is revered as some kind of god that if killed everyone would fall to their knees and announce that all is lost.
>>2716538And now you're trying to pretend that Z boy is the only target. You have oligarchs, you have politicians, you have cultural elites. Many of them are hated by the Ukrainian population. Would Americans cry if China murked Bezos, Soros, Schumer and Tucker?
>>2716548Well, I was talking about only Zel there, but you're right – much harder for the Cucktinists to explain why not a single terrorist leader has been touched. It gets even sadder: They're literally negotiation with Budanov now. Budanov.
>>2716557 (moi)
negotiating*
Tbh I actually feel like a killjoy when I do come to this thread. Like at this point you’ve got an anon, maybe two, claiming that 95% of the thread agrees with them with the 5% presumably being myself, my friends and my sock puppets.
But despite being agreed with by 95% of the thread, it seems to be of cosmic importance that’s 100% and when I’m not in the thread for five minutes, assumptions are that I’ve permanently left in defeat and the euphoria is palpable.
Then I unfortunately come back, poke a load of holes in their celebrations and the resulting immediate anger is likewise palpable. I’m pretty sure this is ultimately why IntBrig left, in understanding this isn’t a thread about the conflict any more, it’s about a handful of autists who want to claim the thread as theirs.
kek, someone repost the images of Dmitriev (Putin's #1 or #2 negotiator) posting literal screenshots of Q and saying "WWG1WGA!"
lmao
>trust us, Christcucktin has this all under control
>>2716557Well Budanov is basically responsible for Ukraine’s energy infrastructure being collapsed, it’s just as well that he should be tasked with cleaning up his own mess.
>>2716559IntBrig left because all his favorite alt-media stars (Mercouris, other Duran bro, Helmer, Levan, Diesen, etc.) turned on Putin for his softness. Why he was so attracted to some of those chud boomers in the first place is something I never figured out, and he'd get all testy when I asked, pointing out the superiority of their analysis. Well, I take him at his word, lol
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This is literally the last bastion of uncritical Cucktin support. Things took a sharp turn around August of last year for no discernible reason (or at least no reason I can discern), and now the Kremlin needs to ban Telegram to tamp down on the outrage of ultras and normiecels alike.
Cucktin mental gymnasts are never escaping the Putin-has-become-too-soft-in-his-old-age allegations, are they?
Grim.
>>2716565He’s been gone for like 6 months at this point, he was definitely out of here before those alt-media personalities seem to start disagreeing with him, but certainly every post that would appear to agree with cucktinists is reposted in this thread directly in aim at IntBrig who isn’t here to see it.
So nah, I still think it’s more down to anons making it their goal to “claim” the thread. And I get it, it’s like not giving a baby its bottle, it’s so easy to allow cucktinists to be as happy as they demonstrably are when I’m not in the thread.
Contrary to what people probably assume, I don’t get a particular kick out of back and forths like
>Killing Zelensky would irreparably damage Ukrainian morale<He’s unpopular in Ukraine>Oh don’t pretend Zelensky is the only targetIt just reveals what a waste of time refusing to give the baby its bottle is. I’m also currently trying to learn Emacs Lisp and frankly if I spent more time on that and less time in this thread arguing solely with anons whose only motivation in so blatantly willing to move goalposts just to keep arguing are thread politics and a personal dislike of me, then yeah, that’d presumably make everyone happy.
I unironically think it's some kind of blood-pressure medication (and not the nanobot conspiracy theory LOL). I've seen the same thing happen with relatives when they started taking - I think they were beta blockers but could be wrong…
If cucktin wasn't so cucktin, we might all have been under mushroom clouds by now.
>>2716582 (me)
What I mean is those relatives suddenly became apathetic to genuine dangers… way too suddenly to be a natural effect of age…
>>2716583Falsified by Soviet history.
US wasn't hitting the Russian homeland back then or being this confident about Cuba.
>>2716575Again Russia isn’t the US, Budanov is a retard who bit off more than he can chew, if he’s now been put into the position of trying to resolve that mistake then fair enough. The US considers all of its enemies to be terrorists regardless of actual positions in state structures because it never intends to negotiate with
anyone.
If Russia was making negotiations with, what was it? “ISIS-K”, then you’d have a point. Budanov just thought he was clever in performing “asymmetrical warfare” but wasn’t.
>>2716492>muh decappingUSA shows by example how decapping results in your middle eastern hegemony erased
>>2716588>Budanov is wanted in Russia on terrorism charges for allegedly masterminding over 100 attacks on Russian soil, including the 2022 Crimean Bridge explosion which killed four people.New cope needed.
>>2716591>decapping sucks when it's not the right move for the circumstancesthanks for that observation, einstein
>>2716590>>2716592Fair enough then, I was unaware that Russia had officially charged him as a terrorist. All I can say is that these negotiations are happening at the US’ demand and neither side are engaging in them wholeheartedly. Ukraine has sent Budanov despite Russian policy and Russia just reiterates the exact same demands every time.
The juxtaposition makes it funnier……………
>Budanov is wanted in Russia on terrorism charges for allegedly masterminding over 100 attacks on Russian soil, including the 2022 Crimean Bridge explosion which killed four people.
>Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, it destroys them, Mr Putin stressed, noting that one of the international community’s basic principles is not to enter into dialogue with terrorists, for such contacts only encourage them to commit new and even more serious crimes.
>negotiates with Budanov
Always thought cuckposters were in general much more versed on the facts of the conflict and Russian statements throughout the decades than the geographylets like Champy who are still learning what's in Donbass……. :-P
>>2716596kek, of course you're unaware. You don't actually follow the details of the conflict. You follow what your Cucktin poster archrivals are saying, and that's it, your only concern.
>>2716597I’m a big picture kinda guy and my primary focus is on NATO failing to live up to its own hype as some demon organisation that only allows Russia to exist out of charity or something.
I’m not particularly interested in the specific politics of Russia or Ukraine for that matter. I haven’t felt the need to mine them for takes that are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Duh.
Not all NAFO shills get paid to follow the news.
Some of the less capable ones get assigned to obscure imageboards to obsess over what people are saying who want Putin to grow a spine.
>>2716599I’m completely comfortable with not knowing the geography of Ukraine and Novorossiya or the day-to-day of Russian politics. I’m not the one leading the troops nor charged with satisfying Trump’s desires for negotiations.
Is it being argumentative to point out that for years the accusation was that I worked for the FSB?
>>2716604Not knowing that Budanov has been charged with terrorism in Russia seems like a pretty huge gap in knowledge for someone going around shooting down suggestions of eliminating him.
>>2716606Not really because the claim was that killing him was suppose to achieve something, that now seems unlikely based on recent events where the Iranian leader and his defence minister were “decapped” and that didn’t stop the conflict or de-escalate it.
Again, it’s cucktinists who have to suddenly flip to “why not?” and that’s basically asking one to prove a negative. Ultimately the debate is over whether you believe in the great men theory.
I think it was precisely negotiating with Budanov that caused the sudden shift in Russian Telegrammer mood toward the Kremlin (I dispute that it started last year - I noticed it starting this year) and what kicked off the Telegram-crackdown emergency. I can't prove it, of course, and I don't need the resident fallacy spergs to point out that my assumption is obviously along the lines of "happened right after X, therefore because of X."
>>2716611Telegram is getting banned because Russia cannot make Telegram give up information on terrorists.
Again, make no mistake, holding on to my deficiencies with geography or my disinterest in Russian politics (or more likely, the peremogas that Ukraine devises and NAFO propagates) is not on-topic for the conflict, it’s thread politics.
>>2716613That's been the case for years, though. I suspect it's more than Telegrammers gave too much information on terrorists: "you're negotiating with one."
Cuckler be like: "give me all the names of terrorists in Ukraine so I can put them on do-not-kill lists and send negotiating teams to legitimize them."
>>2716615Russia is as stupid as Iran on this freedom of press nonsense. Bourgeois government refuses to protect itself from harm
>The Kremlin’s decision to engage directly with Kyrylo Budanov, wanted on terrorism charges in Russia, humiliated the Russian army, says military expert Valery Shiryaev.
>Valery Shiryaev: “independent” military analyst
>reported on social media by “Russia Direct” last week
So yeah, very independent takes going on here. Cucktinists do have a head for Russian politics and aren’t just regurgitating whatever they’ve seen elsewhere.
>>2716625Blocking tens of millions of Russians from communicating on a messaging app to stop five or six year each year being able to be groomed by Ukrainian terrorists is what you do when you're too timid to confront the problem at the head end and eliminate the terrorist masterminds.
>>2716638What are you even trying to say? It has indeed been a prominent criticism from the Russian side. All the more reason to have known about it.
>>2716640You cannot get rid of terrorist masterminds because there are 10 people vying for the place. You need to censor and persecute like USSR or China instead of letting this rot fester
>>2716643>Kyrylo>the Russian sideI’m just saying that I accept that Cucktinists are very well versed in the politics of Russia, it’s a pleasant surprise for them that independent social media had confirmed as much as recently as last week.
>>2716648I dunno, you seem to be spiraling over not knowing that Russia had charged Budanov with terrorism, and now you're suggesting (are you?) it's some NATO talking point to criticize Putin for doing what he himself was a dumb idea: engaging in dialogue with terrorists. I can't decipher your point.
>>2716649Do you see any agreements being made with Ukraine? So, what's the issue? Russia's not signing anything
>>2716650From that post earlier:
Putin: "Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, it destroys them, Mr Putin stressed, noting that one of the international community’s basic principles is
not to enter into dialogue with terrorists, for such contacts only encourage them to commit new and even more serious crimes."
>>2716649Hey I think you’re going a bit wild with the fantasies there. I’m simply stating that independent social media has serendipitously confirmed last week what you’re saying. The negotiations have been ongoing for over a month now and this is the first I’ve heard anyone ITT make that connection between Budanov’s terrorism charges, but I’m glad that got raised today only week after such a connection was raised in social media, it’s good they’ve backed you up that this is common knowledge
>>2716658RT posted about Budanov's terrorism charges.
Putin's statements came from the Kremlin website.
>if you read Russian sources and make connections others are making, that's NAFO shill behaviorWeird. You're not handling the demonstration of your ignorance very well.
ChampSoc about to have another spamming meltdown, methinks.
Imagine not knowing that Russia has designated Budanov as a terrorist.
Yikes, couldn't be me, I read stuff.
>>2716581>>Killing Zelensky would irreparably damage Ukrainian moraleI said killing zelensky would boost Russian morale, not damage Ukr morale. You can ctrl+f and see it yourself.
I think I understand what's happening here. You have reached a state of psychosis and are basically imagining what your opponents are saying instead of actually reading what they are saying.
>>2716596>Fair enough then, I was unaware that Russia had officially charged him as a terrorist.Everybody relax. It's still more useful to talk about Russian policy with The Champagne than a lobotomy patient who drinks through a straw. Get some perspective!
>>2716662>I said killing zelensky would boost Russian morale, not damage Ukr morale. You can ctrl+f and see it yourself. Can you link to your post saying this? I'm someone who's been arguing for a Zelensky elimination, and ctrl+f on "morale" isn't giving me anything. In one of my posts, I talked about eliminating Zelensky would do to the Ukrainian meme-war effort, and I suspect that is what Champy was talking about.
>>2716667 (me)
The only post I can find that has any connection to Russian morale is
>>2711396, but this was from days ago and has nothing to do with decap strikes.
>>2716660I’m just agreeing with you that it’s odd that I nor indeed anyone made the connection ITT earlier, but now that it has, we can see that is definitely a connection being made elsewhere.
>>2716668See
>>2715120, here I say that thousands of Russian soldiers die while Zel has orgies in his mansion. Which is a bummer for Russian morale.
Here,
>>2716492, I talk about decap of Ukr elites (not just Zel) hurting THEIR morale.
It's really the end of the last bastion of uncritical Cucktin support after Iran's bravery, isn't it? The articulate and well-read heavyweight Int Brig Anon left and wouldn't be the same if he returned with all his fav pundits ragging on Cucktin, and all that's left are the B-grade MAGAcom imitations who clap like seals in their rooms what Putin's negotiator Kirill Dmitriev is saying about BASED Trump.
>>2716686>It's really the end of the last bastion of uncritical Cucktin supportAgain, I don’t understand the autism in requiring every talking space on the internet to 100% agree with you.
>>2716682Okay, thanks. I had a schizo moment and thought someone was trying to misrepresent what I said just to make Champy blow his lid again. I think a Zel decap would be a massive blow to the Ukraine war effort because of the singularly bizarre nature of that war effort, and for the record, I think it would be a great morale boost for Russians too, though yeah, that wasn't my focus this time.
>>2716692This general would be boring af without the Yeltsinite deadenders and Dmitriev cheerleaders. That's not reverse psychology - that's a fact!!!
>>2716702It’s only cucktinists who mention either of those figures, you literally would have as much fun talking to a mirror
>>2716701Not unpopular enough for mass protests over the war, apparently. I saw more protesters when he tried to kill NABU, and it's doubtful they were anything more than Westoid-driven agitators.
Zelenksy still gives Ukrainians their sense of invulnerability. He and they are bragging all the time about how Putin tried to kill him four gazillion times but failed.
>>2716703Don't diminish the importance of Putin's #1 or #2 negotiator like that, sir. That's heresy.
>>2716704I thought Putin promised that he’d never attack Zelensky? Isn’t that why he is cucked?
>>2716709He did promise and has never attempted to kill Zelensky once, to my knowledge. That doesn't stop Zelensky and his supporters bragging about the four gazillion failed attempts. He (and Budanov, for that matter) are treated like invincible demigods in the Ukrainian war effort who are always foiling Putin's crafty plans.
>>2716706I don’t follow the negotiations that closely since Russia repeatedly states it will achieve its goals either diplomatically or militarily and I don’t have a personal preference for one over the other. But based on what Cucktinists post, they seem to be confused that the negotiator in the US presents an open and friendly attitude to the US as part of negotiations, rather than I guess doing what Ukraine would do in sending a wanted terrorist to take a shit on the negotiating table?
Like the latter is extremely unlikely to achieve anything, but the PR online is good because that’s not cucked but fucking ballsy, very based.
>>2716711Perhaps my ability to care about state comms has failed me again, but I’ve only seen Cucktinists in this thread claim Putin is a cuck because he
never makes an attempt against Zelensky’s life backed up by the claim that Putin promised not to.
>>2716715Why is it confusing?
Cucktin posters know that Putin has never tried to eliminate Zelensky.
Ukros are under the delusion that Putin has tried dozens of times but has failed, and this contributes to their sense of invulnerability.
>>2716713>I don’t follow the negotiations that closely What would you say… you DO here?
>>2716720So then they’re deluded that Zelensky has just gone into hiding after the sole attempt they’ve not been able to thwart, IIRC this happened when Budanov or Zaluzhny (can’t remember which) was probably injured and was out of sight for a bit.
>>2716727Remind cucktinists that NATO are the ones trying to catch up with Russia crossing their, not even redline, but their reason for existence, in moving westwards and as of yet not being forced to reverse course by anything NATO does as it tries to pathetically avoid WW3 despite implying that would be the result of a Russian invasion of its protectorates.
I’m therefore completely unconcerned about Putin’s PR, outside of it being cope for NATO’s PR.
>>2716727He sits in this thread waiting for anyone to point out something retarded Putin does, and then he types out replies trying to argue that it's actually 5D Chess and to Trust The Plan. He's the Zigger version of QAnon.
>>2716740>Putin's cunning asiatic soulWe disavow Putin's asian-ness he's 100% white. The white boys can have their cuck leaders we don't need him.
>>2716738The sum total of what is considered retarded, is simply that Russia doesn’t act like the US.
>>2716738Gotta respect the hustle for how he's turned Putin's own warning against engaging in dialoguing with terrorists… only to engage in dialogue with a Russian-designated terrorist… into bravely defying US norms.
>>2716740Trump has been saying that for ages. Let us know when NATO is demilitarized to the point that Putin can
stop being stalled in Ukraine,
stop negotiating with terrorists,
stop waiting for Trump to hand him the Donbass, and
stop kissing Trump's ass such as lamenting on TV that he didn't receive a Nobel Peace Prize.
This. The proof is in the pudding. Less talking, more proofs.
>>27167525 more years until you can come into Europe and just take cities without a fight
>>2716755Just focus on Donbass for now. Baby steps.
>fast forward to 2035
>Putin still wondering why he's stuck in Donbass and all those NATO stockpiles that the US said were depleting aren't manifesting in gains
>hardliners pressing him to escalate
>Putin: "No, just the other day they said their stockpiles were in a critical state. We keep doing it this way."
>>2716745Actually on this, I do suspect that Russia not acting like the US is quite annoying for Ukrainian/NATO propagandists because early on in the conflict they definitely wanted to set up a narrative that Russia is “even worse” than the US.
Just stuff like choosing to scrap a peace that was already negotiated, but telling Ukrainian civilians that there’s nothing to worry about and they should stay in their homes, with Zelensky then explicitly saying that was to prevent people from fleeing Ukraine en masse. Amnesty reporting on Ukraine stationing military assets within or next to residential buildings and public spaces and pointing out the risk to civilian lives that poses. Choosing to station the bussified conscripts in fortified towns they don’t evacuate. Setting up a narrative about the genocidal orcs good and early with Bucha. I think it’s obvious they anticipated US style “shock and awe” and basically wanted the resulting statistics to match or even surpass US statistics when they’ve been bombing the Middle East, but worse because Russia is doing it to Europeans.
Okay so they’ve been able to flip that expectation on its head and claim that Russia is actually cucked for
not acting like the US, but you still see glimmers of that desired narrative whenever a hundred strong drone and missile attack kills *a* civilian and it’s presented as evidence of genocide.
>>2716767You forgot to turn off your flag before sockpuppeting.
We need a new thread, and I'm too lazy.
Image suggestion: there are a lot of NAFOs baffled that Ukraine is able to shoot down 101% of drones but Israel/US are struggling in the Middle East, and baffled that Israel/US isn't asking for Ukrainian expertise.
Example:
https://nitter.net/NeilPHauer/status/2028452668293763431They're… so close… to a realization.
>Lavrov:
<The United States will not stop at Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran
Depletion needs to hurry up, eh….
The Russian ultras are pointing out that not only energy strikes but also mass drone waves have suddenly stopped in Ukraine, speculating that the Kremlin has given Trump another pause.
LOL
>>2716773I think my writing style is pretty distinct anyway, based on the autism displayed about grammar
>>2716782Cucker shows his hand again. Hes an excellent poker player
>>2716784It does look like there's been an abrupt halt since the Iran attacks, but the reason is up for debate. In such a volatile situation, Russia might be temporarily reassigning intel assets, not necessarily appeasing Trump again.
Notice how suddenly they all disappear once the thread hits its bump limit without baking? They’re just shitposting the thread up to its bump limit and hoping no one bakes another.
>>2716808Not true. They start lots of threads themselves. I've seen a dozen Cuckler-themed threads.
>>2716812A dozen is comparatively rare now were nearing the 300 threads mark, it’s not a coincidence that they’re on it like a scotch bonnet with cuck this and champ that for hours or even days, but once the bump limit is hit they’re suddenly gone.
>>2716814Schizo take. I see the same thing happen in innocuous threads without factional infighting. The VERY point of baking a new thread is because this happens.
>>2716817Are people invested in a topic actually that needing of constant bumping to retain their attention? Because I think if a few people absolutely abhor a thread’s existence because it disagrees with them, spending days astroturfing the thread with the “correct” takes and thread politics in the hopes that authentic posters simply get bored of trying to have a discussion is pretty standard. Like, that’s precisely why 4chan is trash today, if you’re not relating your topic to the relevant rightoid talking point, they’ll just spam it in your thread anyway until either the thread dies or hits its bump limit.
When I see a thread limit reached, I typically (not always) find posting from that point to be a drag and prefer to wait for the next one. The problem gets compounded because I know that other people also consider it a drag, reinforcing my decision to wait.
>>2716693>Remember guys, killing leaders actually has zero effect. You should never kill the members of the ruling class.>Instead you should defend your own government sending thousands of ordinary Joes to the meat grinder to secure 12 nanometers of land. kek, it's been observed a thousand times that hardcore Cucktinists have a problem with certain based actions until the precise moment that Cucktin actually starts doing it.
>>2716843>No u NAFO>No u CucktinistsYep, working with professionals here lmao anything to muddy the waters
>>2716847Oh, this gibberish meds clown again?
Where's that flag filter. Ah, there we go…
>>2716853Just saying, every trolling tactic I’ve seen in my two decades of being online eventually makes an appearance in this thread including
>Where's that flag filter. Ah, there we go…I dunno what that’s called, but cringe miming, it was a lot more common in the 2000s
>>2716847Earliest record of "Cucktinist" being used on the board is as an insult for Putin supporters:
https://leftypol.org/search.php?search=cucktinist&board=leftypol_archive>no uStop projecting.
The Champagne is taking hit after hit today :(
ChampSoc has tried to repurpose an insult that made him seethe, eh? Color me surprised!
The energy directed toward trying to appropriate old Felix (?) insults is a marvel to behold.
CTRL+F "cucktinist"
>>2716863The archive includes only two entries from, 2023 is it? Threads a bit older than that and it’s pretty well established by now that a cucktinist is someone who can’t post without including the term “cucktin” in it.
A Marxist is someone who _.
A Maoist is someone who _.
A Darwinist is someone who _.
Even the appropriation attempt is a language fail.
>>2716887>it's just unfortunate that the only two entries in the old archive support the use of 'Cucktinist' as an insult for supporters of Cucktin…stay mad, 2023
panik tourist :-P
>>2716893It’s inconclusive
>Iran utterly humiliating the Brits, Yanks, and Israelis by targeting their assets
>WW3 didn't start
>NATO shills scare-mongering about WW3 and hoping Putin stays docile toward NATO utterly devastated rn
But look I tell you what, you bake a new thread and I’ll promise not to post in it until at least the next one. If the thread is 100% cucktin posters, then I’ll concede the thread belongs to them and leave F O R E V E R and it presumably won’t be a thread about personalities any more.
>>2716899'Cucktinist' was unironically an insult Felix used.
The insult against people writing 'Cucktin' has been 'Cucktin poster', 'doomer', and this really funny sounding Russian one that Kampuchea introduced.
>>2716907Very well, I’ll concede on that point but certainly calling me a NATO shill is a reversal attempt?
>>2716910I know for a fact that TankAnon as early as 2022 was calling Cucktin posters NATO shills, so possibly.
I baked one of the /ukr/ threads a year(s?) ago and it got flooded with spam by Cucktin apologists mad that I replaced all the reactionary telegram links with communist telegrams instead. Never bothered to bake again after that.
>>2716922Huh, fair enough. I don’t recall that far back so still gonna have to concede to being a tourist.
>>2716904Being able to pull off a thread that's 100% Cucktin posters is an almost impossible task and could be done by only a mod/admin. That would immediately validate one of Tank Anon's paranoiac episodes in which he accused some Cucktin posters of being mods/admins just because there was laziness about his post reports.
>>2716925We really DO need to remove at least intelslava. He's turned into a Trump slop account. Like, just replace him with rybar or someone.
>>2716938No doubt, but honestly it would be interesting to see a thread where the majority of it isn’t just myself and my detractors quizzing me on thread lore, grammar, Russian politics and other ancillary topics.
Like perhaps extracting myself from the thread will ironically result in less cucktin posters on the basis they’re no longer imagining it’s getting to me, when I’ve repeatedly established I’m critical of NATO rather than supportive of Putin, which somehow gets forgotten in the lore of this thread.
>>2716938 (me)
Though I will concede that there are some Cucktin posters in other generals who are just a little TOO good at "remembering" details about posters.
>>2716927I fluctuate a dozen times a thread between insulting you viciously and being civil to you because I try to treat all flag celebrity posters as ahistorical flagless posters. I think it would be a total mindfuck to you if you saw me pounding on you in a series of borderline spammy posts and then writing something tame in the next, but that is what happens as I blank-slate your posts.
>>2716969And do you ever step back and think about what you are doing or nah?
>>2717003Yes. I started this approach to flags about a year ago. I pat myself on the back for being such a fair dude. Granted, it's difficult at times to maintain with someone like King Lear, but I try my best.
>>2716969Honestly I don’t really mind the insults because I don’t believe anyone actually holds a grudge or that I do live rent free in their heads, but it’s ruining the thread making every post about milking the lolcow, especially when they don’t seem to actually be lol’ing and the image of me they present as a zealous Putin fanatic is false. So what’s the motivation? Who’s benefiting? If they’re not unironically NAFOids and desperately fixated on killing the thread, then what is it?
>>2717123I don't believe you're a Putin fanatic. I assume you're not into all that religious nuttery and traditional-values shit, and I also assume you're not a fan of the Trump flattery campaign. So far, so good.
Where it starts to get a bit, eh, fanatical is, well, just to pick an instance out of this thread, I don't believe for a second that you genuinely believe having dialogue with a guy like Budanov is a politically sound idea. So why would you defend it? I believe for the same reason your foes stubbornly refuse to give ground when Putin does something based: more about a personality clash than anything about Putin at all.
>>2717168Well I’m sure in any given case there’s some logic driving the Kremlin’s actions and decisions (or the lack thereof). So I’m never actually defending anything as though it’s a decision I would personally take, so if it’s not that Budanov is rhetorically called a terrorist but is actually legally considered that by the Russian government, okay fine then there has to be another reason, my second guess being that for both sides they’re just satisfying Trump’s demand for negotiations and neither considers it to be negotiation in earnest. Therefore the Ukrainians sent Budanov whom the Russians said they wouldn’t negotiate, good PR points while Russia isn’t launching over the negotiating table to nick him, because they’re there to satisfy Trump and his rather sad attempts at being a dealmaker in a situation where his role is solely to give money to Ukraine and nothing more.
I don’t understand what anons find so disagreeable about trying to find the logic behind a situation, like if we were having a clash in opinions on what that logic is then fine, but calling someone a cuck or a bitch or a cunt isn’t an understanding of a situation or a political discussion. It’s the comments on a YouTube video or a single line post on a circlejerk subreddit.
Okay maybe anons want me to prepend everything by stating “it’s not what I would do”, but what I’d do is an irrelevancy and presenting alt history and what ifs where I and my mighty intellect were in charge isn’t really my thing.
If they’re dead fucking serious in believing they’d win this war already and their actual frustration is believing my attempts at ascertaining the logic behind the Russian state is a challenge to that belief and the only reason I’d be challenging it is because I’m merely gay for Putin and thus now the thread has to be about getting me to “admit” that and accept they really could win the conflict..
Then fuck man, the arrogance.
Repost from cyberspec:
🇷🇺The leader of "A Just Russia", Sergei Mironov, gave an exclusive comment to the channel "Military Observer" regarding the current situation around Iran:
The US aggression against Iran seriously undermines their credibility as participants in negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine and once again convinces Russia of the need to continue the Special Military Operation (SMO).
Practically until the beginning of the bombings, the Americans continued contacts with the Iranians. Now it's obvious that they were just buying time to gather additional forces in the region. And then they presented Iran with an ultimatum and thus brought the negotiations to a deadlock.
Such is the strategy of "peaceful" negotiations.
The US initially set a goal to overthrow the government in Iran, as they did before in Venezuela, in order to install a regime loyal to them and extract economic benefits.
We have seen the same thing to varying degrees in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. These are typical wars of aggression for resources, which the US traditionally justifies with considerations of national security.
What is happening once again convinces us that the goals of the Special Military Operation in Ukraine must be achieved, in practice, not on paper. The West cannot be trusted - there are no moral and democratic principles there, international law has been destroyed. They have only one principle - their own benefit and profit. This is what we need to remember every time we are offered negotiations and called for peace.
Excuse the formatting since im on phone. Interesting how he doesnt directly mention putin or other advisors but its pretty clear that the criticism is towards them. This has now slowly become a regular occurence.
So what does victory mean for Russia now? Is it still the same objectives as ever?
I'm asking to take receipts in case Russia cucks out but then the usual suspects say "no this is what they wanted all along!"
So tell me, what is victory to Russia, and what is defeat to Russia? Be clear and concise.
>>2717276They’ve, perhaps wisely, chosen to leave victory more open-ended. But defeat is definitely an end of hostilities without securing all the oblasts they held referendums in and accepted them as parts of Russia officially. IMO if Zelensky or anyone reasonably considered part of the current Banderite state is the leader by the end of hostilities, that’s a bit more ambiguous and entirely depends on how that leadership is received in peacetime. If they’re all arrested or exiled or killed then based, else if they able continue to run their fascist state with endless EU funding and Ukrainians continuing to be tolerant or even supportive of their continued leadership then Russia will have made a miscalculation in ending hostilities.
Ideally the outcome, irregardless of territories, is that Ukrainians (if any still exist after mobilisation and post-war flight) go right off of Banderism as traitorous and return to a distrust of NATO after having been quite obviously exploited by them, to a genocidal degree.
>>2717231Lavrov and Medvedev are the closest you're going to get to someone who 'matters' saying something similar, but Putin is hellbent on ouija boarding the spirit of Anchorage and having his envoy tweet out Miami surfing pics and Q drops in between trying to bribe American oligarchs with business deals they're not interested in, so good luck with that. The Russians will continue to express alarm about the situation with Venezuela, Cuba, India, Serbia, Syria, Iran, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, maybe even Belarus by the end of the year (which has joined Trump's stupid Piss Board) - and fail to connect the dots between that and Putin's cocksucking diplomacy and passive military policy outside little Donbass.
>Financial Times
>EU urges Ukraine to allow access to pipeline carrying Russian oil
Holy fuck, Iranian Chads have got the EU begging for mercy, tho unfortunately it's a moot point because Cuckler will send them that oil without imposing any harsh conditions at all.
>>2716785>It does look like there's been an abrupt halt since the Iran attacks, but the reason is up for debate.News dropping that Zelensky requested a 30-day drone ceasefire in Ukraine so that he could send his drone defense 'experts' to the Middle East. Russia's Middle Eastern allies may have persuaded Putin to accept.
Treacherous against Iran if true, but at least it's a change from Wait For Trump, eh?
>>2719237The mass drone waves suddenly stopped for an unknown reason. We now have a Bloomberg piece about Zelensky trying to pressure states in the Middle East to get Putin to agree to a 30-day drone ceasefire so he can send his 250%-of-drones-intercepted experts (lol) to the Middle East to help defend against Iranian drones. It presents a timely and plausible explanation for the sudden stop, but no real proof yet. I hope someone asks Peskov. His mealy-mouthed response will be the tell like it was last time when he first feigned ignorance of the 7-day energy ceasefire.
No WW3 yet. Iranian gigachads putting Kremlin restraint cucks to shame. Bruh, turns out you really can just take down surveillance drones, bomb bases of countries bombing or helping other countries to bomb yours, etc.
>>2719260The difference is that Iran isn’t a nuclear armed state, there’s little reason therefore for either Israel or the US
panik that conventional attacks will be followed up by nuclear ones.
But you know what? Whatever, we’ve already seen ITT cucktin posters flip flop between
>The conflict for Iran is completely different, it doesn’t prove us wrong about decap strikesAnd
>The conflict for Iran is basically the same, it proves us correct about striking US bases within NATO Also
>Bruh, turns out you really can just take down surveillance droneshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Black_Sea_drone_incidentAlso, stop seething about Putin in other threads, you’ve got this one for that.
>>2719264Yes, I'm sureeee the US that cucks out over a non-nuclear-armed state isn't going to cuck out over a nuclear-armed-state.
Stop wetting the bed. You guys are tiresome at best with your fearmongering about the almighty America - and NATOid narrative controllers at worst.
>>2716596>Fair enough then, I was unaware that Russia had officially charged him as a terrorist. post saved to remind newcomers not to bother with this uninformed and mentally ill imbecile
>>2719278Hypothetical WW3 scenarios all revolve around mutually nuclear armed states attacking each other, just get over yourself already.
>>2719282How many posts have you saved by now in your champsoc folder?
I use a filter on all flags except the based Spurdo flag, but I made the mistake of announcing that, because the obsessed Cuckler protection squad decided to bypass the filter by using the Spurdo flag. Why they didn't just turn off the flag and bypass it that way, I don't know, but I guess the micro celebrities refuse to post without some permanence to their identities.
>>2719286Stop being afraid of the US boogeyman, you manchild. The US walks away with its tail between its legs whenever it faces real resistance. It's not suicidal.
>>2719287Thanks for the blog, you’re very different from flagfags
>>2719291>Stop being afraid of the US boogeymanOnly NAFOids downplay the US like this, they blew up a school full of small kids over Iranian resistance.
>>2719294NAFOids, like you, have an overinflated sense of US capabilities against Russia, which is why they're always whining that the US isn't doing anything.
I'm not afraid of your cowardly pedophile country hiding behind a proxy country, you fear-mongerer.
>>2719270ChampSoc is never escaping the tails-Spurdo-around-leftypol-like-a-creep allegations, is he? Could ChampSoc very well be the Spurdo flag hijacker? The mystery deepens!
>>2719300And I got called schizo
I think he might sit around doing F5 refresh on board searches for 'cucktin' because I've seen that flag pop up in one or two random lowbrow threads in /siberia/ to have a meltdown about someone calling Putin Cucktin he he
>>2719303>I think champsoc is everywhereAnd I think you have issues lol
>>2719309>there are actually multiple champagne posters chimping out about one hurtful insultBig if true. Lost twins? he he
>he he
>>2719311Twin-themed he he
What would be the necessary conditions for Ukraine to capitulate?
First, the people could choose to end if they want it so. They have already tried to end the conflict by electing Zelensky, and it failed. He turned against much of his base. Elections have been postponed, Zelensky has a weak mandate and any form anti-war political expression, be it protests, parties, whatever, are explicitly outlawed. Ukraine has become a full-on dictatorship. A popular uprising is impossible when all the people who are opposed to the regime oppose it because they don't want to die.
Second, Ukraine could run out of armaments. This is impossible because Russia has chosen to not punish the countries which produce armaments for Ukraine. This was slowly forgotten during the Cold War because of all the proxy wars, but when one army supplies arms to another countries which is fighting a war, both of them become participants. Under international law Russia has the right to declare war on NATO. Of course it's understandable that Russia doesn't want to risk a nuclear war or if it's scared of taking on all of NATO, but if the other side is doing it… Russia could explore certain types of limited action. Attacking naval trade routes, overseas military bases, symbolic strikes, etc.
So is there anyone who could choose to end the war from the Ukrainian/NATO side other than the Ukrainian people, assuming that there is no general collapse in the fighting capabilities of the AFU? The Ukrainian political and business elite of course as there is no one else left. But when those people can still make money from legal and illegal activities, send it to a Western-aligned tax havens and quickly escape the country if Russia somehow wins in the future, there is no incentive for them at all to make peace. Decapitation strikes could make them feel the weight of the war the same way ordinary workers experience it. It would force them to either flee or finally put pressure on the government to adjust policy to the realities on the battlefield, hopefully leading to capitulation.
What we have instead is a slow extermination of the Ukrainian adult male population, sanctioned by all parties involved. If this process is completed, the Ukrainian army would collapse. This is the only way which will definitely lead to a Russian victory and isn't just a promise by a politician who clearly has other interests. The most ironic part is that the Ukrainian leaders with far-right nationalist backgrounds are the ones who are softer towards Russia. People like Budanov are hinting at an eventual ceasefire, while it's the NGOid Sorosites who are saying that Ukraine should continue fighting for several years and more, and refuse to even say the word "ceasefire". Therefore if Russia wants to achieve anything under its current strategy and with the mythical pro-Russian uprising nowhere in sight, they will be forced to make a deal with the nationalists and basically further nazify Ukraine. After all, why is it forbidden for a Ukrainian patriot to love Russia when both nations descend from the Rus? And maybe it was the Jews all along who orchestrated the Ukraine War on both sides to exterminate Slavs…
The most important thing is that Putin will go to heaven. He was respectful, kind, generous and honest to everyone around him, whether it be an oligarch wishing for trade channels with the West or his Ukrainian and NATO "colleagues".
Ever since The Champagne got added to the inferior Discoid lolcow list, it's not fun spectating anymore because too many rookies trying to tip the cow. Don't tip the fucking cow.
>>2719317You’re all tryhards.
>im gonna save this post>I see you on other boards>youre sockpuppeting I know it>I remember every irrelevant mistake you made and remind you of them every week>im gonna tell newcomers not to talk to youAt the risk of saying something cliche, your priorities are bizarre for grown adults. Touch grass or better yet touch ass lmao
You're one of my favorite posters. I love your work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfTaE0RgHNokek, he is totally stalking Spurdo Anon around other generals. This is like the third or fourth time I've noticed neither of them posting in a general at all but then suddenly popping up one after the other with with Spurdo Anon first. That's some weirdass shit!
>>2719237Looks like you've got a fan who's even crazier than you lmao. Careful of any dark vans you see from now on.
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