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>>2699819>defense spendingLet it be recognized that dickriding yanqui monkey calls genocide fund "defense spending." Please refrain from making this mistake.
Purgatory threAd
>>2699897they could be feeding them with fake orders. i mean even normies know about the pizza index these days so im sure the IRGC does.
>>2699907Sorry best we can do is someone fell asleep in in2016 and had a gay ass fever dream
the happenings wont be fun when they happen near you >>2699909nothing ever happens…
it sure is really gay…
nothing ever happens…
nothing….
in the US…
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>>2699900It's pretty obvious that as soon as the "Pizza index" got popular online is when it stopped being a useful metric. The Pentagon isn't gonna just let Pizza Hut leak their war plans.
>>2699916Honestly look for insider trading look
Porkies cant resist
war is allegedly starting on monday
odd to do it when the stonk market is open
>>2699907Chad felix is a simulacrum of real evan reif but one that does something
>>2699919Maximum insider trading
So is this country more corrupted than during the tamany hall days?
>>2699918the great thing about America is congressional insider trading doesn't have to be reported until 30 days after the fact, to ensure the public can't copy their trades. :)
>>2699924With the legal gambling, yeah probably
Today I just learned that there are local splits from PSL locals. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
>>2699924>>2699934I’ve heard people argue that while the corruption of the Tamany Hall days were bad, you’d at least get a turkey out of it for Thanksgiving. They said that in some ways the post-Tamany period (which was in no small part only possible thanks to decades of progressive reform) is even worse because you’ve got a “hidden” kind of corruption that is so masked in the veneer of “democracy” it doesn’t have to promise anyone anything.
>>2699939objectively America would be less corrupt if politicians just sent you a check for $50 if you vote for them. it would probably be cheaper too since right now they're spending billions every presidential election but all this money is going to the pockets of "political advisors" and advertising firms.
Trump also probably wouldn't have won in 2016 since there's no way in hell he'd give anyone anything that didn't come from someone else's pocket.
>>2699942This is what big temperance tried to take from yo
>>2699943Oh god, especially in local elections m, like for school boards this could go so far, DSA would be forced to expose it’s contradictions in a week or two
>>2699908>a gay bar dies after midnightgay.
>>2699942ah sweet carbonated dish soap.
Do you guys think that communist organizing strategies for the US would also work for Israel or are they too far gone?
Despite my hatred of americans I think they're still not as bad as israeils, i think israel and nazi germany are terminal stages where there no internall class struggle any more and the country has to be destroyed from without.
America might yet get there tho
>>2699943What candidates could pay you to vote but every. Candidate had to pay the same and give 200$ bond but if you feel like hes not holding up to his promisses you could cash in the bonds making money leave the politiicans account in real time if he disapoints you
>>2699954A little biased but yeah israelis are too far gone
>>2699942>daily reminder that most residents are willing and enthusastic collaborators of tamany hall>you hate tamany?Why dont you steal.some revolvers from the police and stage a revolt on city hall
>>2699954I could maybe see something happening if the migrant workers, dissident Israeli left groups and '48er Palestinians can get militant. Of course all this might go out the window if the Final Battle with Iran comes.
>>2699939My city and probably others had a "post machine" machine where the religious leaders, chamber of commerce guys, "service clubs", PTA leaders etc. got together to cook up policy and run candidates to rule in favor of endless sprawl and infrastructure plans that largely benefited the side of town where the sprawl was directed. I can't help but think this was in some sense spurred on by them being haunted by the ghost of the surprisingly robust local communist movement they butchered in the 30s.
>>2699964So in both cases it seems the focus should be on the marginalized who have no stake in the imperial project itself and not the "core" workers right?
>>2699969We need to start a commie machine
>>2699970Maybe, but I would add the caveat that the ""core"" workers of the US are more quickly being shoved to the margins than their Israeli counterparts, even though there is a tension between the Israelis holed up in settlements and those that aren't.
>>2699954>Do you guys think that communist organizing strategies for the US would also work for Israel or are they too far gone?A "left-wing Israel" would require one of two things:
>Israel nukes itself and ceases to exist, either out of complete accident or because the Palestinians are storming the Knesset and they'd rather die than turn into South Africa>Israel absorbs all the Palestinians as Israeli citizens, gives them voting rights and political representation, and changes its flag and identity from a Jewish state to a multicultural stateAt this point the former seems more likely. Israelis just don't have any sense of national identity that isn't tied to genocide and colonization. That's what they are, and why every left-wing group in Israel tends to fall on deaf ears as the local population know what they are.
Israeli left? I sure hope he did!
>>2699883I wish we got peak 90s Biden vs Trump. I bet that would have been a fun spectacle instead of the shit we got.
>>2699992Funny how that pedophile shitalian leftcom uyghur bitches about china's "collaboration" with israel.
until that 4.7% is zero he should be bitch slapped every time he slanders a socialist country
>>2699964The problem with campaigning for a "left" in Israel is the Palestinians themselves don't really support "western left" totems like LGBT rights or women's rights or abortion rights. So either you have to approach it from a more third worldist, relativist position or you have to abandon the left-wing label and just go all-in on anti-imperialism because genocide is bad.
And make no mistake there is no possibility where the Palestine that replaces Israel is more friendly to "western culture" than Israel, a literal American colony in the Middle East. It's important to be aware that for Palestine to exist all the Israelis currently there would have to go somewhere else due to cultural incompatibility. We can't really have a two state solution, and we also can't have them just unify into a single state.
So I don't see any way that we can approach "radicalizing" Israelis that doesn't include them having to gtfo back to Europe or New Jersey or wherever they came from.
>>2700005I think most Gazans wouldn’t give a fuck what your religion or sexual identity is if you stand up for them and their right to live tbh
>>2700017
I’m not gonna critique the culture actively under threat of annihilation from my own government, sorry if that offends you
>>2700017
>i support genocide becaise I want to smoke le reddit plant
This is why junkies are subhuman
>>2699954Israel is what Sakai said America was.
>>2700021
I don’t think majoritarian chauvinism is getting us to socialism, quite the opposite actually
>>2700017>>2700019>>2700020samefag kayfabe. you can say death to religion without saying heil israel. you can defend palestinians from annihilation without defending islam. you can say drugs are bad without saying junkies are subhuman. literally just LLM slop
>>2700023>that other genocidal ethnic supremacist colonial imerial project (which is also our vassal btw) is irredeemable, but not us, the original:)
>>2700027I’m perfectly fine with that, it’s up to Palestinian women and sexual minorities to fight for their recognition within their own society free from outside interference, if thy wanna move to my country and set up a felafel shop and arak bar me and my boyfriend are happy to patronize them, something something non antagonistic contradictions
>>2700029The difference is that Israel is an incomplete settler colonial project still in the process of displacing the indigenous population. Direct benefits in the form of land seizures are flowing to the Israeli population. That isn't the case in the US regarding its internal colonies.
>>2700027>>2700031 ACCOMMODATE OR ABOLISH ISLAM?
The revolutionary method poses the change of the existing order, the destruction of the old world. Conservatism and its offspring, reformism, aims to accommodate it, to put up with all the injustices seen as inevitable "impurities", but conservatism needs, to hide its lies, a radical, radically moral language. ..
As, of course, the revolutionary proletariat having disappeared, the defectors from Stalino-Trotskyism neither denied their exaltation of the Third World petty bourgeoisie, a candidate for the seizure of power in the so-called national liberations of the sixties, nor denied their carnival opposition to their "colonialist nation". Which means that, naturally, in the years after 1968, all sorts of student intellectuals from the Trotskian and Maoist movements participated in the renewal of the ideology of "democratic power". In most European countries the elite part of the former leftist leaders joined the ranks of the bourgeois parties still called socialist, some acceding to the posts of best state clerks, when so many others remained empty-handed or reduced to dismal careers as journalists or simple trade unionists. Militant atheists having always been rather coarse, not to say simplistic, most of the recruits of leftism who had thought they were getting involved in politics by believing only in the anti-fascist breviary – since 1945, fascism disappeared of course remaining the main enemy – it was natural that the base of the leftist subconscious works afterwards against the horrible concept of racism. Racism, the real key word of the dominant ideology, unites minister and proletarian as one man, extremist partisan as pimply schoolboy. Not that racism, and its main variant anti-Semitism, is not deplorable but, damned, like religions this phenomenon is not is not about to disappear with the society divided into classes and now planned in various communitarianisms. Thus was born a new religion, anti-racism which has its priests, its anathematizers Plenel, Askolovitch, Aymeric Caron, Coleman1 , etc.
The moralistic cops of the official and unofficial press militate to prevent critical thinking, to claim to reform the unjust world through better morals, better justice, better police, etc. But never for class emancipation or any distant future. However, the final goal, distant or not, has always fertilized revolutionary thought, not bourgeois thought which, like religions, only aims to preserve what exists. The multi-faith, anti-racist ecumenical fashion needs distant references to justify its hypocritical tolerance, but the sources are scant and unflattering for all religions. So, after the shock of the attack on Charlie Hebdo, we multiplied the two-ball editions of the Treaty on Tolerance by Mr. Voltaire, far from to be blameless as a courtier to princes and a wealthy landowner. The said Treaty centered on the Calas family demonstrates, however, that one cannot trust the existing judicial institution, that it is a weather vane of all eras. The baroque and voluptuous writing of Voltaire, if it denounces the arbitrariness, the stupidity, the rage of the sects, remains in the idealist belief in the "men of tolerance", this empty skin, and the last sentence of its libel which is sung by all our post-Stalinist democrats, is as confused as can be; the cause of an injustice ("for it is only a question here of one family") is "the effect of that gloomy superstition which leads weak souls to impute crimes to whoever does not think like them". But this is not freedom to think that it was about a war of religions, interreligious lies, fictitious and aberrant accusations to justify a social order. With his humanist generalities - the "weak souls" can designate the people in general - the bourgeois Voltaire is careful not to accuse the princes who govern him and grease his paw at court2 .
Recumbent Trotskyism provided the best vector for the renewal of bourgeois thought, enabling it to overcome the complex of decolonization. After the Gaullist years which had operated on the false decolonizations after having paved the way for a long time with Petainist barbouzes and Blackfoot Jews attached to preserving Algeria, and without clashing with the enriched colonial military camarilla, it was necessary to pass the baton to the heirs of the "bearers of suitcase", gently and after the elimination of Giscard. The carrier of the children of the decolonization agitators has been European social democracy. The heirs of opponents of Stalinist stock, accomplices of the nationalists of the former colonies and/or of the oxymoron "degenerated workers' state", have finished with the uprising of the "peoples of color" by being integrated into the state apparatus as ministers but also journalists; grassroots activists without qualifications and without diplomas were reduced to dividing up the tinsel of trade unionism*"*or the breeding of goats in lozère. The anti-racist and anti-FN mass finally allowed the communion of the sons of the suitcase carriers and the chameleon politician Mitterrand, apostle of French Algeria. Mitterrand's moralism had basically the same rotten and ambiguous side as Voltaire: like the latter with the princes, Mitterrand will have served under all regimes. His leftist defector admirers – except Plenel the super-cop investigator in search of purified democracy – always have the same electoral morality in their mouths: "long live anti-racism, even if it hides all the miseries, down with the FN, even if it is only miserable ostrich politics". This is the real anti-racist morality, it is timeless and unreal, it chants good and quantifies evil.3
Recruiting anti-racism, inheriting the propensity for systematic insult from the soldiers of Stalinism,
was naturally to lead to multiculturalism, and, subsequently, this ideology of collaboration in State mystifications could only become an accomplice of the worst rising religion of submission, Islam and its derivatives. Even separating the diverse governmental Islams from the jihadist criminal hysteria, this religion is indefensible; worse, it is still not her who is persecuted but the one who persecutes her millions of submissives and veiled submissives. Like Jewish nationalism, Palestinian nationalism, Islamist nationalism is used to justify anything and everything, and in particular revenge no matter how great. Religion is no longer a simple opium, so much the worse for Marx, but once again becomes an instrument of intra-uterine warfare against society.
THE ATTEMPT TO FOSSILIZE MARXISM'S STRUGGLE AGAINST RELIGION
We find the same Trotskyan catechesis to come and sing to us the so-called tolerance of Marxism and the workers' movement with regard to religion and therefore to its revolverized novelty Islam. All these brave intellectuals condescending with "the people" sanctify Islam as the so-called "religion of the poor"… threadbare refrain of all religions… A certain Pierre Tévanian has specialized in the defense of Islam and its folklore in meager works that go completely in the direction of the white and Islamophile bourgeoisie who govern 4. Like so many Trotsko-Stalinists he passes over in silence and distorts the whole struggle of Lenin and the Bolsheviks against religion; he imagines a Marx “not directly anti-religious”! He invents an Islamophobic racism and deplores a left-wing discourse full of “religiophobia. religious pathology: you won't be a racist or else you're an irretrievable blasphemer doomed to the hell of the FN!
A political scientist hosted by the NPA, Gilbert Achkar, asks the Marxist-Leninist scholar and talks at length about tolerant Islam ("no compulsion in religion"): "The fate of Islam in the former Soviet Union, the "Evolution in Turkey eloquently illustrates the futility of any attempt to eradicate religion or religious practices by coercion. "Everyone - and everyone - must be able to satisfy their religious and bodily needs" - women wear the hijab or the men to wear beards - "without the police sticking their noses in". By avoiding claiming the anti-religious dynamics of the first Bolsheviks in power, this jerk is in fact flattening himself before Stalin's nationalist "religious tolerance" turn, as described below; Trotskyism always ends in Stalinist democratism. Achkar finally has the merit of demonstrating how far Trotsky's delirious tactics go. In Great Britain they are electorally allied with the MAB, an Islamic fundamentalist organization5.
Religion appears very little in the work of Marx. He is not obsessed with religion. God is a false problem, atheism goes without saying. I will not repeat all the well-known and well-worn phrases on the subject, but report his violent denunciation of the social principles of Christianity; replace Christianity with Islam is the denunciation is also adequate:
"The social principles of Christianity justified ancient slavery and magnified medieval serfdom; they also know how, when necessary, to defend the oppression of the proletariat, even if they do so with a somewhat sorry expression.
The social principles of Christianity preach the necessity of a ruling class and an oppressed class, and have to offer to the latter only the pious wish to see the former practicing benevolence.
The social principles of Christianity place in heaven the compensation for all infamies by the consistorial advisers, thereby justifying their permanence on earth.
The social principles of Christianity explain all the baseness of the oppressors towards the oppressed, either as a just punishment for original sin and other sins, or as trials which the Lord, in his infinite wisdom, inflicts on those whom he has redeemed". (In Deutsche Brüsseler Zeitung, September 12, 1847).
Lenin does not recognize any positive role for religion:
"Religion is a kind of spiritual drink that the slaves of capital gulp down in order to lose their human form and their rights to an existence, however unhuman."
“The idea of god has always deadened and blunted “social feelings”, because it always replaced the living with carrion and it was always an idea of slavery”.
“We have to fight religion, that is the ABC of integral Marxism”.
"Behind every icon of Christ, every image of Buddha, one sees only the brutal gesture of capital".
We cannot fight against religion with the police method of the bourgeois nor by shouting "long live atheism", but by transforming the social order that religion will fall by itself… Easy to say but not that much after the 1917 revolution.
https://proletariatuniversel.blogspot.com/2015/02/accommoder-ou-abolir-lislam.html >>2700033Fuck off, not reading your nonsense
>>2699954Incorrect. Euroamerikan epstein people are worse than zionist people
>>2700023Read settlers. The connection between Euro-Amerikan settlerism and Zionist settlerism - twin servants of imperialism - is shown in all the recent reactionary political developments within the U.S. Jewish communities. Repeated propaganda about the Holocaust is used as fascistic indoctrination, to whip up a belligerent sentimentality that both justifies Euro-Amerikans as victims ("no more guilt trips about racism") and powers new terroristic attacks on colonial peoples. The same ultra-Orthodox Zionist elements are killing Afrikan youth in Brooklyn and shooting Palestinian youth on the West Bank. Now even the anti-Semitic bigots of the Moral Majority recognize the Zionists as their "kith and kin."
>>2700027I felt I should add this, Gazans don't care what you are if you stand up for them, so long as you stay in your own country and work to help them that way. Anti-Imperialism also means the right of a people to choose their own destiny and not have it imposed onto them. I think this is a perfectly valid position, to support eachother internationally while still respecting eachother's space and autonomy.
>>2700031Yeah you put it better than me I think. Gazan(and Iranian) women value their ethnic and national identity enough that they'd still rather the Americans stay out than impose "freedom" onto them without their consent. The ones that do want to embrace American values will just move to America.
I just felt this is something worth discussing because the moment Israel is defeated(if ever) there will be a lot of bad faith actors pretending the Palestinians betrayed their LGBT allies when they start shutting down all the gay bars in Tel Aviv and canceling pride parades. But those are wholly Western ideas that they shouldn't be expected to adhere to.
>>2699894>>2699904it's so fucking hilarious that this is a real metric that people pay attention to in the USA
>>2700034FROM MILITANT ATHEISM TO NATIONAL-STALINIAN RELIGION
Educated by the example of the Jacobin revolution and at the crossroads of the triumph of "progressive" atheism, the Bolsheviks not only operated for the separation of State and Church but rushed towards the disappearance of religion. In the ABC of communism, Bukharin will write: "Religion and communism are incompatible both in theory and in practice". Contrary to the orthodox religion, the proletarian State will never collide head-on with Islam but never forgetting that the goal remained to destroy the political power of Islam; invasive political religion that allows itself to govern the way of life and the diet of people.
In 1918 the new constitution "recognizes to all citizens the freedom of religious and anti-religious propaganda"; it is above all the latter which will henceforth have priority. In 1923 several newspapers campaigned against "religious prejudice". We must eradicate all religions writes Stepanoff:
"(…) The most blind see how indispensable the decisive struggle against the pope becomes, whether he calls himself pastor, abbot, rabbi, patriarch, mullah or pope; this struggle must develop no less ineluctably "against god", whether he is called Jehovah, Jesus, Buddha or Allah". 6
Anti-religious work must adapt to all categories, especially women "the most assured refuge of religion": "The Godless will not separate the fight against religion from the class struggle; they will beware of hurt believers in their religious feelings when this tactic risks harming their ultimate goal; they will make a broad and complete criticism of the origins of religion, of its developments, of its teaching, of man's relationship with society". 7
From 1920 the Bolshevik power materialized measures relating to the emancipation of Muslim women: abolition of polygamy, confinement, wearing the veil, marriage of minors, right to vote… all measures which were disapproved by Muslim clerics and Muslim members of the Communist Party.
a round of leg in favor of Israeli nationalism which takes advantage of the attacks – never qualified as racist against the French or cartoonists of stock – to recruit. No international protest when the Danish state - the most lax and sympathetic to jihadist killers - lets hundreds of believers parade behind the coffin of Copenhagen's anti-Semitic, anti-cartoon assassin; if the French state had not buried the three Islamist assassins in Paris anonymously, thousands would probably have marched behind their catafalque; that there is no other link between practiced Islam and doctored Islam than… complicit compassion!). Danish state - the most lax and friendly with jihadist killers - lets hundreds of believers parade behind the coffin of the anti-Semitic assassin and anti-cartoonist from Copenhagen; if the French state had not buried the three Islamist assassins in Paris anonymously, thousands would probably have marched behind their catafalque; that there is no other link between practiced Islam and doctored Islam than… complicit compassion!). Danish state - the most lax and friendly with jihadist killers - lets hundreds of believers parade behind the coffin of the anti-Semitic assassin and anti-cartoonist from Copenhagen; if the French state had not buried the three Islamist assassins in Paris anonymously, thousands would probably have marched behind their catafalque; that there is no other link between practiced Islam and doctored Islam than… complicit compassion!).
From 1924 heavy taxes will be demanded of the Churches. Religious education is prohibited. Novaia-Jizn has as its program the will to "combat any religious stupidity of the workers". Most Orthodox churches will be closed. Thousands of priests and archpriests will be sent to labor camps after the confiscation of ecclesiastical property. The facts about the number of priests shot and tortured need to be analyzed while keeping a distance from the exaggerations of the Black Book of Communism or the friends of Orthodox priests on the internet, who mourn the (genius) ban on religious education in schools. 8 .
Clever directives inspired article 13 of the party program, adopted at the Eighth Congress (which I have not found in full): "As regards religion, the Russian Communist Party is not content only with the decree of separation between the Church and the State… The party sets itself the objective of the total destruction of the links between the exploited classes and… religious propaganda”. Nuance that escapes the hysterical calotins.
In the immense Russian continent the Muslim religion already occupied a large place and the extension of the proletarian revolution did not take place without difficulty. The religious leaders of Turkestan fought the Bolshevik power in the name of local nationalism. The threadbare theory of the people's right to self-determination did not facilitate the revolution; as such it amounted to encouraging local nationalisms and did not favor either Lenin's federalist conception of an expanding proletarian state. In 1928 the proletarian state had to react with violence to the jihadist exactions of the time: murders, rapes, imprisonment of exposed women
Modern maximalists always make a cut between Lenin and Stalin, which is unsatisfactory, as if Stalin had been an evil genius and Lenin a blue flower. One can better understand the rise of the counter-revolution - independently of the desires of Lenin or Stalin - in the retreat of the revolution, by its isolation, because of the proletarian defeats in Germany in particular more than of the projects that the leaders of the State were made to take empirically. Stalin is appointed responsible for the "peoples of the East", after a congress in Baku which did not work miracles, he is responsible for creating the University of Communist Workers of the East, where it was necessary to fight first against illiteracy as in central Russia elsewhere, without imposing a russification in the manner of the tsars, but to give Muslims confidence in their languages and their customs, to affirm that they were not inferior to any other. It was thus thought, with the systematic proletarianization of the Muslim regions, to make the worker aware of "his own flag", but the brutality of the accelerated industrialization of the Muslim republics leads to the opposite; Lenin's successors knew how to demagogically put themselves in the pocket of the Muslim clergy to calm the hostility of the peasants forced into the city. with the systematic proletarianization of the Muslim regions, making the worker aware of "his own flag", but the brutality of the accelerated industrialization of the Muslim republics leads to the opposite; Lenin's successors knew how to demagogically put themselves in the pocket of the Muslim clergy to calm the hostility of the peasants forced into the city. with the systematic proletarianization of the Muslim regions, making the worker aware of "his own flag", but the brutality of the accelerated industrialization of the Muslim republics leads to the opposite; Lenin's successors knew how to demagogically put themselves in the pocket of the Muslim clergy to calm the hostility of the peasants forced into the city.9
At the end of 1929, Stalin announced the collectivization of the land and the disappearance of the kulaks, which struck the Church and the clergy even more. In 1932, an “anti-religious five-year plan” was launched, which provided for the closing of all churches and the banishment of the idea of God. These campaigns were characterized by the massive use of violence, which claimed many victims, especially in the ranks of the Russian Orthodox Church. Police records show an increase in actions against Orthodox, Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Muslim and Buddhist ministers: in 1923-24 there were 2,469 arrests, in 1931-32 the number rose. at 19,812.
At the beginning of the 1930s, the anti-religious dynamic of the "Sans-Dieu" also lost momentum in isolation. The figures of the anti-religious press collapsed as if to mark a return of mysticism in the face of the failure of the world revolution and the gravity of the crisis of misery. But from 1935 the anti-religious struggle was no longer a priority for Stalin. The anti-fascist struggle implying national unity forces us to get closer to believers, especially among foreign comrades subservient to Moscow; in 1936 little Thorez also extended his hand to Catholics and for electoral reasons.
The period from 1932 to 1936 had been defined as the "quinquennium of atheism", which should have brought to term the work of eradicating religion. The years 1937 and 1938 were those of the great terror: many Christians were shot. The 1930s were also a time of harsh persecution against Lutherans, Baptists and Evangelicals .. 1929 had been the turning point in the anti-religious policy, putting an end to the relative tolerance shown until then with regard to Protestants, especially Evangelicals and Baptists, which in the 1920s had experienced a notable increase. During the campaign of collectivization, the Baptists were represented on the posters as the “puppets of the kulaks”. In 1935, the activity of the Evangelical and Baptist Churches was interrupted. In those same years, all the Reformed churches were closed and the worship organization of the Mennonites was destroyed. In 1938, the Lutheran Church ceased to exist institutionally in the USSR, and its members, mostly of German origin, were almost all deported to Siberia during the Second World War.
In July 1937, the Politbureau gave the order, signed by Stalin, to draw up two lists of ex-kulaks ministers of worship and political prisoners, one of those condemned to be shot, the other of those condemned to deportation. .
The Russian Church, on the eve of the Second World War, seemed inexorably destined to disappear. And yet, in the 1937 census, which remained secret, more than 50 percent of the Soviet population declared themselves to be believers. Stalinist power, backed since 1926 on the theory of "socialism in one country", clearly understood that religion was going to be its main ally in the "patriotic" national unity in view of the immense sacrifices of the next world war. Stalin's new conciliatory policy towards the Russian Church allowed the reopening of a large number of Churches and the election of the new Patriarch.
ERADICATE ISLAM IMMEDIATELY?
The infrequents of Riposte Laïque, purveyor of the FN and racists according to the Islamo-Trotskians, are not wrong to criticize a Western state policy which aims to hide the reality of a growing Islamization, sometimes quite fast when we learn that a teenager can be catechized in three weeks and sent to Syria… They are not wrong to denounce the invasion of Islamist decor (veil, mosque, bazaars, etc.), but each of their objections is taxed in a racist, Islamophobic way (fundamentalist truism), fachos, etc. 10. Discussion is impossible. Riposte laïque also places itself on false ground, the same as Plenel et Cie: the cultural (or multicultural) defense of the bourgeois republic and an immediate settlement of the religious question. We are there in the reactionary utopia (which indeed serves the FN more than a soulless secularism) and idealistic unrealism. One never fights, from the class point of view, religion on the simple ground of ideas. The failure of fundamentalist governments after that of the so-called "Arab revolutions" has done more to discredit political Islam than the discourse on the maintenance of a French culture and environment which would be the best means of integrating immigrants and their families. It's not tomorrow the day before religious illusion will disappear neither by decree nor immediately after the beginnings of an international revolution. However, it should not be forgotten that the criticism in action of religion is also evident at the beginning of any proletarian revolution. What the educated Trotskyans who line up behind Stalin's policy of nationalist accommodation do not recall. We cannot and we will not share power with any Islamic party. The Bolsheviks directly attack the power of the popes, then, opportunistically, they believe they can compromise with Islam. It is not possible to compromise with political Islam. The revolutionary wave is so strong that it influences and emboldens the anti-religious struggle within a framework of bourgeois national liberation, a Mustapha Kemal,11 .
Same ubiquity as the Western bourgeoisie under the dictator Putin. On the 225th anniversary of the Central Spiritual Leadership of Muslims in Russia, Vladimir Putin affirmed that Islam is an essential element in the cultural landscape of the country. Indispensable like the solid democracy, wisdom and tolerance that characterize the armed and policed Putinian dictatorship 12 .
So in conclusion, if we can only witness the small arrangements between bourgeois government and religious clans, the glorification of a false pacifist Islam, if we are obliged to consider that the eradication of backward religions will still take a long time (but not impossible despite their accelerated and artificial return) we are not obliged to give up nor to be ashamed of our "intolerance" to the spirits of the Middle Ages. It is by fighting political Islam and not Islam as a superstition that one can be faithful to Marxism. This fight goes through the fight against the fraudulent parliamentarism of electoral money which is as falsifying here in the so-called "democratic choices" between conservatives and servants of capitalist conservatism as when he claims to innovate them or develop them into countries plagued by Islamist ideology. This fight in no way interferes with the so-called "anti-terrorist" imperialist aims against the various entities Daesch, Al Quaida, Boko Haram and other crazy people manipulated by the great powers, in the name of a common fight against the so-called "radical Islam".13 ; where in reality the proletariat and the civil populations are only the hostages of the various murderous camps.
And, besides this terrain of political combat, I repeat, proletarian combat in the workplace must block all religious intrusions which result in dividing the workers or considering themselves as strangers to each other. Everyone is free to believe in private what they want, or even to be racist in private, but on the level of the exploited class struggle, the beliefs or deviations of each are no longer appropriate; "It doesn't matter what this or that proletarian thinks," said Marx one day, who did not like hadiths or religious arrangers or anti-racist criers.
In the dynamics of expansion of communism to all countries, religious communities should not have a social role (and therefore cannot exercise educational, charitable or public functions), but they should even disappear because they have become superfluous, in a society where religious alienation disappears, where superstition does not need to be ridiculed or fought by "workers' state" propaganda. There is, in short, in the skein of historico-political evolutions and revolutions, the culmination of the extinction of religions, where belief evaporates as it had come. Bukharin, in The ABC of Communism , was right:
"Religion and communism are incompatible, both in theory and in practice." So, alongside the ax and the spinning wheel, at the museum of past times, the hijab will be exhibited next to Du Guesclin's armor.
>>2700023this… this is not regular cope… this is advanced treatler apologism even by your standards
congratulations, you really outdid yourself
>>2700038You have no power here, I banish you to your realm
>>2700041 Marxism is Materialism (Battaglia Comunista - No. 15, 1951)
https://www.international-communist-party.org/Italiano/Conoscen/51MarMat.htm As such, it is as implacably hostile to religion as is the materialism of the 18th century encyclopedists or the materialism of Feuerbach. This is undeniable. But the dialectical materialism of Marx, and Engels goes further than the encyclopedists and Feuerbach by applying materialistic philosophy to the field of history, to the field of the social sciences. We have to struggle against religion: this is the ABCs of all materialism, and therefore of Marxism. But Marxism is not a materialism that is limited to the basics. Marxism goes beyond that. It says: one must know how to fight against religion, and for that one must explain materialistically the origin of faith and religion in the masses. One cannot limit, one cannot reduce the struggle against religion to abstract ideological preaching; one must tie this struggle to the concrete praxis of the class movement, tending to make the social roots of religion disappear. Why does religion persist in the backward strata of the urban proletariat, in the broad strata of the semi-proletariat, as well as in the mass of the peasantry? Because of the ignorance of the people, answers the bourgeois progressive, radical or bourgeois materialist. So, down with religion, long live atheism; the spread of atheistic ideas is our main task.
The Marxist says: this is false. Such a viewpoint is but a superficial, bourgeoisly limited "illusionism." Such a view does not explain deeply enough, does not explain in a materialistic sense, but in an idealistic sense the roots of religion. In modern capitalist countries these roots are primarily social. The social oppression of the working masses, their seemingly total helplessness before the blind forces of capitalism that are the cause, every day and every hour, of suffering a thousand times more horrible torments more savage for the mass of workers than all calamities such as wars, earthquakes, etc.: this is where the deepest root of religion currently consists. "Fear created the gods." Fear before the blind force of capital, blind because it cannot be foreseen by the popular masses and which, at every moment of the life of the proletariat and the small owner, threatens to bring it and leads it to the "sudden," "unexpected," "accidental" catastrophe, which ruins it, turns it into a beggar, a pauper, a prostitute, which reduces it to starvation: here is the root of modern religion that the materialist must keep in mind, first and foremost, if he does not want to remain a first-grade materialist. No populariz book will be able to eradicate the religion of the masses brutalized by the capitalist prison, subject to the blind destructive forces of capitalism, until these masses have learned, themselves, to struggle in a unified, organized, systematic and conscious way against this root of religion, against the power of capital in all its aspects.
Section 4 of this index:
https://www.international-communist-party.org/Indices/ITeMarCo.htm >>2700044Bleh bleh bleh
Boo boo boo
>>2700021You don't need to kill them all, just send them to reeducation camps. It works fairly well for China.
>>2700025Forcing your religious cults on a population and murdering non-believers is the true chauvinism.
>>2700033>>2700038bro you can shorten this to a few sentences easily
someone wanna make a stealth usapol thread?
>>2700045>>2700046 Our Christmas Word (1945-66)
Our Christmas Word
The proletarian communist party cannot make the colossal mistake of regarding the powerful organization of the Church as neutral in class conflicts, nor let itself be led to this by the historical fact that the Church itself, the social and political fulcrum of the pre-bourgeois regimes, has today switched to total solidarity with the capitalist institutions that succeeded the democratic revolution. Indeed, for this very reason the Church must be regarded as a first-order factor in the preservation of capitalist institutions, all the more so since it, as in Italy, is reconciled with the state, and is the inspirer of parties that have laid down the anti-democratic and anti-social approach in correspondence with the parallel renunciation of bourgeois parties to Masonic anti-clericalism.
The class proletarian party, in the face of the unreserved collaboration between Catholics and the democratic left, certainly does not proclaim a return to bourgeois anti-clericalism of the Masonic type, fiercely opposed by its best traditions, and to religion it does not counterpose an atheism of the old bourgeois type, inspired by the anti-Marxist formula that it is necessary first to free consciences from religious obscurantism in order then to have the right to want to free the lower classes from social exploitation. The party, however, in its propaganda emphasizes the fundamental antithesis between its theory of the world and history and any transcendent, mystical, religious conceptions and declares membership in the revolutionary ranks incompatible with membership in religious associations and denominations of any school. The proletarian regime, after the revolution, will programmatically exclude any religious association, believing that it cannot fail to present political characters, and will vow to gradually do away with all religious beliefs, as the masses, freed from the extremes of economic depression, are led more and more to scientific knowledge and the conception proper to party doctrine.
The same campaign of political and theoretical clarification must target the critique, along with religious conceptions, of those of an "immanentist" nature, i.e., which uphold as directors of human activities immaterial forces and values placed in the sphere of pure ideal activity. As a coefficient of theoretical degeneracy, these conceptions can be even more dangerous than transcendental ones, which, by making exceptions to an incomprehensible world of the beyond, impede less the concrete knowledge of real relations; so that any atheism that falls back into bourgeois Enlightenment-type unbelief should not be considered as progress toward the doctrinaire communist conception.
(From the Party's "Political Platform" 1945 (thesis No. 20) ).
Il Programma Comunista, no. 23, late December 1966
>>2700046Forcing jewish domination on Palestine is wrong I agree
>>2700032>The difference is that Israel is an incomplete settler colonial project still in the process of displacing the indigenous population. Direct benefits in the form of land seizures are flowing to the Israeli population. That isn't the case in the US regarding its internal colonies.Wrong. euroamerikan settlers live on stolen land. You say this as euro amerikans put more indigenous people in concentration camps. Everything euroamerikan says is a lie.
Marx was a Zionist and all marxism outside the PFLP and DFLP is zionist by default
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
The Attitude of the Workers’ Party to Religion
Published: Proletary, No. 45, May 13 (26), 1909. Published according to the text in Proletary.
Source: Lenin Collected Works, Progress Publishers, 1973,Moscow, Volume 15, pp. 402-413.
Translated: Andrew Rothstein and Bernard Issacs.
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Deputy Surkov’s speech in the Duma during the debate on the Synod estimates, and the discussion that arose within our Duma group when it considered the draft of this speech (both printed in this issue) have raised a question which is of extreme importance and urgency at this particular moment. An interest in everything connected with religion is undoubtedly being shown today by wide circles of “society”, and has penetrated into the ranks of intellectuals standing close to the working-class movement, as well as into certain circles of the workers. It is the absolute duty of Social-Democrats to make a public statement of their attitude towards religion.
Social-Democracy bases its whole world-outlook on scientific socialism, i. e., Marxism. The philosophical basis of Marxism, as Marx and Engels repeatedly declared, is dialectical materialism, which has fully taken over the historical traditions of eighteenth-century materialism in France and of Feuerbach (first half of the nineteenth century) in Germany—a materialism which is absolutely atheistic and positively hostile to all religion. Let us recall that the whole of Engels’s Anti-Dühring, which Marx read in manuscript, is an indictment of the materialist and atheist Dühring for not being a consistent materialist and for leaving loopholes for religion and religious philosophy. Let us recall that in his essay on Ludwig Feuerbach, Engels reproaches Feuerbach for combating religion not in order to destroy it, but in order to renovate it, to invent a new, “exalted” religion, and so forth. Religion is the opium of the people—this dictum by Marx is the corner-stone of the whole Marxist outlook on religion.[1] Marxism has always regarded all modern religions and churches, and each and every religious organisation, as instruments of bourgeois reaction that serve to defend exploitation and to befuddle the working class.
At the same time Engels frequently condemned the efforts of people who desired to be “more left” or “more revolutionary” than the Social-Democrats, to introduce into the programme of the workers’ party an explicit proclamation of atheism, in the sense of declaring war on religion. Commenting in 1874 on the famous manifesto of the Blanquist fugitive Communards who were living in exile in London, Engels called their vociferous proclamation of war on religion a piece of stupidity, and stated that such a declaration of war was the best way to revive interest in religion and to prevent it from really dying out. Engels blamed the Blanquists for being unable to understand that only the class struggle of the working masses could, by comprehensively drawing the widest strata of the proletariat into conscious and revolutionary social practice, really free the oppressed masses from the yoke of religion, whereas to proclaim that war on religion was a political task of the workers’ party was just anarchistic phrase-mongering.[2] And in 1877, too, in his Anti-Dühring, while ruthlessly attacking the slightest concessions made by Dühring the philosopher to idealism and religion, Engels no less resolutely condemns Dühring’s pseudo-revolutionary idea that religion should be prohibited in socialist society. To declare such a war on religion, Engels says, is to “out-Bismarck Bismarck”, i. e., to repeat the folly of Bismarck’s struggle against the clericals (the notorious “Struggle for Culture”, Kulturkampf, i.e., the struggle Bismarck waged in the 1870s against the German Catholic party, the “Centre” party, by means of a police persecution of Catholicism). By this struggle Bismarck only stimulated the militant clericalism of the Catholics, and only injured the work of real culture, because he gave prominence to religious divisions rather than political divisions, and diverted the attention of some sections of the working class and of the other democratic elements away from the urgent tasks of the class and revolutionary struggle to the most superficial and false bourgeois anti-clericalism. Accusing the would-be ultra-revolutionary Dühring of wanting to repeat Bismarck’s folly in another form, Engels insisted that the workers’ party should have the ability to work patiently at the task of organising and educating the proletariat, which would lead to the dying out of religion, and not throw itself into the gamble of a political war on religion.[3] This view has become part of the very essence of German Social-Democracy, which, for example, advocated freedom for the Jesuits, their admission into Germany, and the complete abandonment of police methods of combating any particular religion. “Religion is a private matter”: this celebrated point in the Erfurt Programme (1891) summed up these political tactics of Social-Democracy.
These tactics have by now become a matter of routine; they have managed to give rise to a new distortion of Marxism in the opposite direction, in the direction of opportunism. This point in the Erfurt Programme has come to be interpreted as meaning that we Social-Democrats, our Party, consider religion to be a private matter, that religion is a private matter for us as Social-Democrats, for us as a party. Without entering into a direct controversy with this opportunist view, Engels in the nineties deemed it necessary to oppose it resolutely in a positive, and not a polemical form. To wit: Engels did this in the form of a statement, which he deliberately underlined, that Social-Democrats regard religion as a private matter in relation to the state, but not in relation to themselves, not in relation to Marxism, and not in relation to the workers’ party.[4]
Such is the external history of the utterances of Marx and Engels on the question of religion. To people with a slapdash attitude towards Marxism, to people who cannot or will not think, this history is a skein of meaningless Marxist contradictions and waverings, a hodge-podge of “consistent” atheism and “sops” to religion, “unprincipled” wavering between a r-r-revolutionary war on God and a cowardly desire to “play up to” religious workers, a fear of scaring them away, etc., etc. The literature of the anarchist phrase-mongers contains plenty of attacks on Marxism in this vein.
But anybody who is able to treat Marxism at all seriously, to ponder over its philosophical principles and the experience of international Social-Democracy, will readily see that the Marxist tactics in regard to religion are thoroughly consistent, and were carefully thought out by Marx and Engels; and that what dilettantes or ignoramuses regard as wavering is but a direct and inevitable deduction from dialectical materialism. It would be a profound mistake to think that the seeming “moderation” of Marxism in regard to religion is due to supposed “tactical” considerations, the desire “not to scare away” anybody, and so forth. On the contrary, in this question, too, the political line of Marxism is inseparably bound up with its philosophical principles.
Marxism is materialism. As such, it is as relentlessly hostile to religion as was the materialism of the eighteenth-century Encyclopaedists or the materialism of Feuerbach. This is beyond doubt. But the dialectical materialism of Marx and Engels goes further than the Encyclopaedists and Feuerbach, for it applies the materialist philosophy to the domain of history, to the domain of the social sciences. We must combat religion—that is the ABC of all materialism, and consequently of Marxism. But Marxism is not a materialism which has stopped at the ABC. Marxism goes further. It says: We must know how to combat religion, and in order to do so we must explain the source of faith and religion among the masses in a materialist way. The combating of religion cannot be confined to abstract ideological preaching, and it must not be reduced to such preaching. It must be linked up with the concrete practice of the class movement, which aims at eliminating the social roots of religion. Why does religion retain its hold on the backward sections of the town proletariat, on broad sections of the semi-proletariat, and on the mass of the peasantry? Because of the ignorance of the people, replies the bourgeois progressist, the radical or the bourgeois materialist. And so: “Down with religion and long live atheism; the dissemination of atheist views is our chief task!” The Marxist says that this is not true, that it is a superficial view, the view of narrow bourgeois uplifters. It does not explain the roots of religion profoundly enough; it explains them, not in a materialist but in an idealist way. In modern capitalist countries these roots are mainly social. The deepest root of religion today is the socially downtrodden condition of the working masses and their apparently complete helplessness in face of the blind forces of capitalism, which every day and every hour inflicts upon ordinary working people the most horrible suffering and the most savage torment, a thousand times more severe than those inflicted by extra-ordinary events, such as wars, earthquakes, etc. “Fear made the gods.” Fear of the blind force of capital—blind because it cannot be foreseen by the masses of the people—a force which at every step in the life of the proletarian and small proprietor threatens to inflict, and does inflict “sudden”, “unexpected”, “accidental” ruin, destruction, pauperism, prostitution, death from starvation—such is the root of modern religion which the materialist must bear in mind first and foremost, if he does not want to remain an infant-school materialist. No educational book can eradicate religion from the minds of masses who are crushed by capitalist hard labour, and who are at the mercy of the blind destructive forces of capitalism, until those masses themselves learn to fight this root of religion, fight the rule of capital in all its forms, in a united, organised, planned and conscious way.
Does this mean that educational books against religion are harmful or unnecessary? No, nothing of the kind. It means that Social-Democracy’s atheist propaganda must be subordinated to its basic task—the development of the class struggle of the exploited masses against the exploiters.
>>2700056This proposition may not be understood (or at least not immediately understood) by one who has not pondered over the principles of dialectical materialism, i. e., the philosophy of Marx and Engels. How is that?—he will say. Is ideological propaganda, the preaching of definite ideas, the struggle against that enemy of culture and progress which has persisted for thousands of years (i. e., religion) to be subordinated to the class struggle, i. e., the struggle for definite practical aims in the economic and political field?
This is one of those current objections to Marxism which testify to a complete misunderstanding of Marxian dialectics. The contradiction which perplexes these objectors is a real contradiction in real life, i. e., a dialectical contradiction, and not a verbal or invented one. To draw a hard-and-fast line between the theoretical propaganda of atheism, i. e., the destruction of religious beliefs among certain sections of the proletariat, and the success, the progress and the conditions of the class struggle of these sections, is to reason undialectically, to transform a shifting and relative boundary into an absolute boundary; it is forcibly to disconnect what is indissolubly connected in real life. Let us take an example. The proletariat in a particular region and in a particular industry is divided, let us assume, into an advanced section of fairly class-conscious Social-Democrats, who are of course atheists, and rather backward workers who are still connected with the countryside and with the peasantry, and who believe in God, go to church, or are even under the direct influence of the local priest—who, let us suppose, is organising a Christian labour union. Let us assume furthermore that the economic struggle in this locality has resulted in a strike. It is the duty of a Marxist to place the success of the strike movement above everything else, vigorously to counteract the division of the workers in this struggle into atheists and Christians, vigorously to oppose any such division. Atheist propaganda in such circumstances may be both unnecessary and harmful—not from the philistine fear of scaring away the backward sections, of losing a seat in the elections, and so on, but out of consideration for the real progress of the class struggle, which in the conditions of modern capitalist society will convert Christian workers to Social-Democracy and to atheism a hundred times better than bald atheist propaganda. To preach atheism at such a moment and in such circumstances would only be playing into the hands of the priest and the priests, who desire nothing better than that the division of the workers according to their participation in the strike movement should be replaced by their division according to their belief in God. An anarchist who preached war against God at all costs would in effect be helping the priests and the bourgeoisie (as the anarchists always do help the bourgeoisie in practice). A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion not in an abstract way, not on the basis of remote, purely theoretical, never varying preaching, but in a concrete way, on the basis of the class struggle which is going on in practice and is educating the masses more and better than anything else could. A Marxist must be able to view the concrete situation as a whole, he must always be able to find the boundary between anarchism and opportunism (this boundary is relative, shifting and changeable, but it exists). And he must not succumb either to the abstract, verbal, but in reality empty “revolutionism’˜ of the anarchist, or to the philistinism and opportunism of the petty bourgeois or liberal intellectual, who boggles at the struggle against religion, forgets that this is his duty, reconciles himself to belief in God, and is guided not by the interests of the class struggle but by the petty and mean consideration of offending nobody, repelling nobody and scaring nobody—by the sage rule: “live and let live”, etc., etc.
It is from this angle that all side issues bearing on the attitude of Social-Democrats to religion should be dealt with. For example, the question is often brought up whether a priest can be a member of the Social-Democratic Party or not, and this question is usually answered in an unqualified affirmative, the experience of the European Social-Democratic parties being cited as evidence. But this experience was the result, not only of the application of the Marxist doctrine to the workers’ movement, but also of the special historical conditions in Western Europe which are absent in Russia (we will say more about these conditions later), so that an unqualified affirmative answer in this case is incorrect. It cannot be asserted once and for all that priests cannot be members of the Social-Democratic Party; but neither can the reverse rule be laid down. If a priest comes to us to take part in our common political work and conscientiously performs Party duties, without opposing the programme of the Party, he may be allowed to join the ranks of the Social-Democrats; for the contradiction between the spirit and principles of our programme and the religious convictions of the priest would in such circumstances be something that concerned him alone, his own private contradiction; and a political organisation cannot put its members through an examination to see if there is no contradiction between their views and the Party programme. But, of course, such a case might be a rare exception even in Western Europe, while in Russia it is altogether improbable. And if, for example, a priest joined the Social-Democratic Party and made it his chief and almost sole work actively to propagate religious views in the Party, it would unquestionably have to expel him from its ranks. We must not only admit workers who preserve their belief in God into the Social-Democratic Party, but must deliberately set out to recruit them; we are absolutely opposed to giving the slightest offence to their religious convictions, but we recruit them in order to educate them in the spirit of our programme, and not in order to permit an active struggle against it. We allow freedom of opinion within the Party, but to certain limits, determined by freedom of grouping; we are not obliged to go hand in hand with active preachers of views that are repudiated by the majority of the Party.
Another example. Should members of the Social-Democratic Party be censured all alike under all circumstances for declaring “socialism is my religion”, and for advocating views in keeping with this declaration? No! The deviation from Marxism (and consequently from socialism) is here indisputable; but the significance of the deviation, its relative importance, so to speak, may vary with circumstances. It is one thing when an agitator or a person addressing the workers speaks in this way in order to make himself better understood, as an introduction to his subject, in order to present his views more vividly in terms to which the backward masses are most accustomed. It is another thing when a writer begins to preach “god-building”, or god-building socialism (in the spirit, for example, of our Lunacharsky and Co.). While in the first case censure would be mere carping, or even inappropriate restriction of the freedom of the agitator, of his freedom in choosing “pedagogical” methods, in the second case party censure is necessary and essential. For some the statement “socialism is a religion” is a form of transition from religion to socialism; for others, it is a form of transition from socialism to religion.
Let us now pass to the conditions which in the West gave rise to the opportunist interpretation of the thesis: “religion is a private matter”. Of course, a contributing influence are those general factors which give rise to opportunism as a whole, like sacrificing the fundamental interests of the working-class movement for the sake of momentary advantages. The party of the proletariat demands that the state should declare religion a private matter, but does not regard the fight against the opium of the people, the fight against religious superstitions, etc., as a “private matter”. The opportunists distort the question to mean that the Social-Democratic Party regards religion as a private matter!
But in addition to the usual opportunist distortion (which was not made clear at all in the discussion within our Duma group when it was considering the speech on religion), there are special historical conditions which have given rise to the present-day, and, if one may so express it, excessive, indifference on the part of the European Social-Democrats to the question of religion. These conditions are of a twofold nature. First, the task of combating religion is historically the task of the revolutionary bourgeoisie, and in the West this task was to a large extent performed (or tackled) by bourgeois democracy, in the epoch of its revolutions or its assaults upon feudalism and medievalism. Both in France and in Germany there is a tradition of bourgeois war on religion, and it began long before socialism (the Encyclopaedists, Feuerbach). In Russia, because of the conditions of our bourgeois-democratic revolution, this task too falls almost entirely on the shoulders of the working class. Petty-bourgeois (Narodnik) democracy in our country has not done too much in this respect (as the new-fledged Black-Hundred Cadets, or Cadet Black Hundreds, of Vekhi[5] think), but rather too little, in comparison with what has been done in Europe.
On the other hand, the tradition of bourgeois war on religion has given rise in Europe to a specifically bourgeois distortion of this war by anarchism—which, as the Marxists have long explained time and again, takes its stand on the bourgeois world-outlook, in spite of all the “fury” of its attacks on the bourgeoisie. The anarchists and Blanquists in the Latin countries, Most (who, incidentally, was a pupil of Dühring) and his ilk in Germany, the anarchists in Austria in the eighties, all carried revolutionary phrase-mongering in the struggle against religion to a nec plus ultra. It is not surprising that, compared with the anarchists, the European Social-Democrats now go to the other extreme. This is quite understandable and to a certain extent legitimate, but it would be wrong for us Russian Social-Democrats to forget the special historical conditions of the West.
Secondly, in the West, after the national bourgeois revolutions were over, after more or less complete religious liberty had been introduced, the problem of the democratic struggle against religion had been pushed, historically, so far into the background by the struggle of bourgeois democracy against socialism that the bourgeois governments deliberately tried to draw the attention of the masses away from socialism by organising a quasi-liberal “offensive” against clericalism. Such was the character of the Kulturkampf in Germany and of the struggle of the bourgeois republicans against clericalism in France. Bourgeois anti-clericalism, as a means of drawing the attention of the working-class masses away from socialism—this is what preceded the spread of the modern spirit of “indifference” to the struggle against religion among the Social-Democrats in the West. And this again is quite understandable and legitimate, because Social-Democrats had to counteract bourgeois and Bismarckian anti-clericalism by subordinating the struggle against religion to the struggle for socialism.
In Russia conditions are quite different. The proletariat is the leader of our bourgeois-democratic revolution. Its party must be the ideological leader in the struggle against all attributes of medievalism, including the old official religion and every attempt to refurbish it or make out a new or different case for it, etc. Therefore, while Engels was comparatively mild in correcting the opportunism of the German Social-Democrats who were substituting, for the demand of the workers’ party that the state should declare religion a private matter, the declaration that religion is a private matter for the Social-Democrats themselves, and for the Social-Democratic Party, it is clear that the importation of this German distortion by the Russian opportunists would have merited a rebuke a hundred times more severe by Engels.
By declaring from the Duma rostrum that religion is the opium of the people, our Duma group acted quite correctly, and thus created a precedent which should serve as a basis for all utterances by Russian Social-Democrats on the question of religion. Should they have gone further and developed the atheist argument in greater detail? We think not. This might have brought the risk of the political party of the proletariat exaggerating the struggle against religion; it might have resulted in obliterating the distinction between the bourgeois and the socialist struggle against religion. The first duty of the Social-Democratic group in the Black-Hundred Duma has been discharged with honour.
The second duty—and perhaps the most important for Social-Democrats—namely, to explain the class role of the church and the clergy in supporting the Black-Hundred government and the bourgeoisie in its fight against the working class, has also been discharged with honour. Of course, very much more might be said on this subject, and the Social-Democrats in their future utterances will know how to amplify Comrade Surkov’s speech; but still his speech was excellent, and its circulation by all Party organisations is the direct duty of our Party.
The third duty was to explain in full detail the correct meaning of the proposition, so often distorted by the German
opportunists, that
“religion is a private matter”. This, unfortunately, Comrade Surkov did not do. It is all the more regrettable because in the earlier activity of the Duma group a mistake had been committed on this question by Comrade Belousov, and was pointed out at the time by Proletary. The discussion in the Duma group shows that the dispute about atheism has screened from it the question of the proper interpretation of the celebrated demand that religion should be proclaimed a private matter. We shall not blame Comrade Surkov alone for this error of the entire Duma group. More, we shall frankly admit that the whole Party is at fault here, for not having sufficiently elucidated this question and not having sufficiently prepared the minds of Social-Democrats to understand Engels’s remark levelled against the German opportunists. The discussion in the Duma group proves that there was in fact a confused understanding of the question, and not at all any desire to ignore the teachings of Marx; and we are sure that the error will be corrected in future utterances of the group.
We repeat that on the whole Comrade Surkov’s speech was excellent, and should be circulated by all the organisations. In its discussion of this speech the Duma group demonstrated that it is fulfilling its Social-Democratic duty conscientiously. It remains to express the wish that reports on discussions within the Duma group should appear more often in the Party press so as to bring the group and the Party closer together, to acquaint the Party with the difficult work being done within the group, and to establish ideological unity in the work of the Party and the Duma group.
Notes
[1] See K. Marx, Contribution to the Critique of the Hegelian Philosophy of Right. Introduction. (K. Marx and F. Engels, On Religion, Moscow, 1957, p. 42.)
[2] See F. Engels, “Flüchtlings-Literatur. II. Das Programme der Blanquisten”.
[3] See F. Engels, Anti-Dühring, Moscow, 1959, pp. 434-37.
[4] This refers to F. Engels’s preface to K. Marx’s pamphlet The Civil War in France (see K. Marx and F. Engels, Selected Works, Vol. 1, Moscow, 1958, p. 479).
[5] Vekhi (Landmarks)—a Cadet collection of articles by N. Berdayev, S. Bulgakov, P. Struve, M. Herschensohn and other representatives of the counter-revolutionary liberal bourgeoisie, published in Moscow in 1909. In their articles on the Russian intelligentsia these writers tried to discredit the revolutionary-democratic traditions of the best representatives of the Russian people, including Belinsky and Chernyshevsky; they vilified the revolutionary movement of 1905 and thanked the tsarist government for having, "with its bayonets and jails”, saved the bourgeoisie from “the popular wrath”. The writers called upon the intelligentsia to serve the autocracy. Lenin compared the programme of the Vekhi symposium in point of both philosophy and journalism with that of the Black-Hundred newspaper Moskovskiye Vedomosti, calling the symposium “an encyclopaedia of liberal renegacy”, “nothing but a flood of reactionary mud poured on democracy”.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm >>2700027Damn homie I didn't even realize it was Ramadan, just in time for Lent too, lol.
Ramadan Mubarak m8.
>>2700048stop posting walls of text no one will read
>>2700049Yeah and so is forcing Islam
>>2700059Hamas have agreed to the goal of a secular, democratic constitution, Israel has not
>>2700058>>2700059Our Programme is based entirely on the scientific, and moreover the materialist, world-outlook. An explanation of our Programme, therefore, necessarily includes an explanation of the true historical and economic roots of the religious fog… But under no circumstances ought we to fall into the error of posing the religious question in an abstract, idealistic fashion, as an “intellectual” question unconnected with the class struggle, as is not infrequently done by the radical-democrats from among the bourgeoisie. It would be stupid to think that, in a society based on the endless oppression and coarsening of the worker masses, religious prejudices could be dispelled by purely propaganda methods. It would be bourgeois narrow-mindedness to forget that the yoke of religion that weighs upon mankind is merely a product and reflection of the economic yoke within society. No number of pamphlets and no amount of preaching can enlighten the proletariat, if it is not enlightened by its own struggle against the dark forces of capitalism. Unity in this really revolutionary struggle of the oppressed class for the creation of a paradise on earth is more important to us than unity of proletarian opinion on paradise in heaven. That is the reason why we do not and should not set forth our atheism in our Programme; that is why we do not and should not prohibit proletarians who still retain vestiges of their old prejudices from associating themselves with our Party.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm >>2700059>Yeah and so is forcing IslamWho is doing that?
>>2700063Fuck Marx, fuck Marxists, and fuck you, catch AIDS and smoke fentanyl
>>2700069Nah, fuck zionism
>>2700071The military will he forced into a coup when she has her anxiety attack
>>2700061While Hamas is better than current Israel, I still don't trust religious institutions. They are only giving secular promises now when they are losing and trying to appeal to westerners.
>>2700064Islam is the state religion for Saudi Arabia and Iran. They impose it on their populations.
>>2700035>Read settlersI have. It's un-Marxist trash that runs contrary to the entire Black radical tradition that it speaks over. Sakai then abandoned his methodology in order to preserve his conclusions in later works because even he was forced to admit that we no longer lived in a world where white supremacy guaranteed the prosperity of white workers. In contrast to Israel, America is no longer a country where you can get free land just for being white, or where racialized people are non-citizens with virtually no rights. The reason why Israel is different is because even the lowliest Israeli Jew enjoys more protection and privilege than the wealthiest and most well connected Palestinian, and there are distinct forms of exploitation that exclusively victimize Palestinians and exclusively benefit Israelis. This is now how things are in the US and haven't been for some time.
>>2700073>Islam is the state religion for Saudi Arabia and Iran. They impose it on their populations.Saudi Arabia is a absolute monarchy and Iran is a theocracy.
>>2700071Still time for an even more decrepit Biden second term.
>>2700032Theyre6 building datacenters after expelling the indigenous living there, to this day.
Gentrification is nothing but settler colonialism on the urban scale.
Americans are still obsessed with land ownership and yeomen ideology, sneaked in through "home ownership"
To say that the indigenous have already all been replaced and it's not an issue any more is erasure.
>>2700076>This is now how things are in the US and haven't been for some time.The only accurate part of the post.
The euro-amerikan settler colonial project is not over because israel IS the euro amerikan settler project, its continuation, the same entity
The apparent separation or distinctness (separate states, jewish identity) are just tricknology
>>2700079>Theyre6 building datacenters after expelling the indigenous living there, to this day.And this benefits working class white Americans how?
>Gentrification is nothing but settler colonialism on the urban scale.Gentrification affects people based on income. In practice it disproportionately harms racialized people because these people are overrepresented in urban poverty, but any low income white residents of a gentrified neighbourhood will be forced out same as the rest.
>Americans are still obsessed with land ownership and yeomen ideology, sneaked in through "home ownership"People are "obsessed" with home ownership because its a way to have relative housing security and save money through equity instead of giving it to a landlord. Every socialist country has higher rates of home ownership than America.
>>2700080That was a typo. I'm saying that this is not how things are in America. There is no form of exploitation which exclusively targets racialized people and benefits working class Americans. White supremacy does not secure the interests of working class white people.
the difference between america and israel, is america fought a bloody civil war over slavery, ended it, then fought for various civil rights for women, and people of color.
I would compare israel more to south africa.
>>2700083Pretty sure Greenlanders have better healthcare than us.
Also, the governor of Louisiana? Call me crazy, but wouldn't it make more sense to choose a state a little closer to Greenland and with a better medical system?
>>2700077And? That doesn't change the fact Islam has been historically imposed and is currently imposed in several countries.
>>2700079>To say that the indigenous have already all been replaced and it's not an issue any more is erasure.Sorry to say but there's not even 3 million left in America
>>2700092Nope, islam mostly spread through politicking and being genuinely a superior system than the pagan idolatry in the region
In fact, many countries voluntarily converted to islam to gain protection from the christian crusaders
>>2700090Huey Long would’ve probably established a Louisianan NHS if he hadn’t been assassinated
>>2700079>>2700085>To say that the indigenous have already all been replaced and it's not an issue any more is erasure.I also didn't say this. Indigenous people in America are very much the victims of white supremacy in ways that would be too numerous to list here. Systemic racism in America is a virulent cancer and Indigenous people are arguably its most brutalized victims. It must be fought in all forms and smashed utterly. However that doesn't mean that working class white people are benefiting from their suffering.
>>2700085>Gentrification affects people based on income. In practice it disproportionately harms racialized people because these people are overrepresented in urban poverty, but any low income white residents of a gentrified neighbourhood will be forced out same as the rest.I mean speaking as a Californian, while the term "gentrification" isn't used, I'm well aware that people in other states
despise Californians because of the perception we're making everything more costly for the rest of them by fleeing our own high cost of living state. As I understand it landlords fucking love raising rents if they get a whiff that some Californians who got lucky enough to work remote are moving there.
>>2700098If class war and material interests drive history and ideology, then why does white supremacy exist allegedly without benefiting the white working class?
The most racist countries are always colonial ones, where colonizers need ideological justification for stealing land and enslaving.
>>2700071wtf where's hilldawg? it's her turn
>>2700102It benefits the white worker in a shallow psychological sense, and in not being the first immediate target
>>2700095>islam mostly spread through politicking and being genuinely a superior system than the pagan idolatry in the regionSo why was it officially the state religion for many countries and empires throughout it's existence? If it was fully voluntarily they wouldn't need to forcibly convert people.
>>2700071I say this without the usual pessimism I have for all Democrats but Kamala Harris will never ever be President. She's unelectable.
>>2700089He's right from his team's perspective.
>>2700107AOC and Jasmine Crockett would have better chances (but still probably get cucked by EC)
>>2700107she can win the primary, she can get the black vote, especially the black woman vote and carry the south
she will then go on to lose epic style to marco vance or whoever the republicans run
democrats will then blame the left and look in the mirror and say we got to move even more right.
>>2700102>then why does white supremacy exist allegedly without benefiting the white working class?Because the ideas of the ruling class are always the ruling ideas. A lot of people who subscribe to ideas like third worldism or the Settlers thesis seem to also subscribe to a kind of vulgar materialism. They talk as if everybody always has a clear sense of their real interests and anything they do is reflective of this. In essence they deny the existence of false consciousness. However this is a complete deviation from the base-superstructure model. If you actually think about it, if such a thing were true then no class society could ever persist for long because the subaltern classes would immediately rise up and overthrow it. Alternatively, the fact that they typically don't revolt could be held up as evidence that this society is actually good for them. This is essentially what Sakai does, however if you apply this reasoning to other contexts it becomes completely absurd. China didn't have a successful peasant revolution until 1949, after literally thousands of years of feudalism. Are we to believe that they were the beneficiaries of feudalism that whole time? Of course not. Class societies are able to function precisely because, and only when, they are able to get the exploited classes to internalize the ruling ideology to some degree. They only work when they get the bulk of the population to support or at least tolerate a social order that is
against their interests.
>>2700111AOC would probably lose since she betrayed the Palestinians. I don't think any other woman in politics has a chance tbh Americans don't like female politicians. Kamala is uniquely bad even if you ignore her gender though.
If war with Iran is declared and AOC campaigns on ending it she might actually win tho.
>>2700105>So why was it officially the state religion for many countries and empires throughout it's existence? If it was fully voluntarily they wouldn't need to forcibly convert people.A good portion of Islam's success in conversion came about through its tax policies which basically gave people an incentive to convert. Let's also not forget that historically many European states had state religions. Also Islam itself theologically doesn't really do "forced conversions" because, as I said, it used tax incentives more than anything.
Secondly through most of Christianity's existence post-Constantine it was the state religion of numerous empires and countries. Islam really didn't differ in that regard, with perhaps the exception that it directly organized society (via laws, taxation, etc) in a way that Christianity mostly couldn't; in the West the Pope would feud with kings and you'd kind of have a mish-mash of feudal and secular laws. In the East the Emperor arguably had more power than the Patriarchs and so he could write his own law codes mostly undisturbed.
>>2700117No one will remember Gaza come next election
>>2700116David Ben Gurion etc etc
>>2700117i don't think it's so much that USAnians hate female politicians. AOC is wishy washy with her positons. she doesn't inspire much confidence
>>2700125Crockett is probably going to be the next VP candidate
There’s going to be a military coup in the next 7 years
tbh the best hope for 2028 is the dems having a chaotic DNC again and it collapsing into factionalism and 1/4 of the party jumping ship to DSA.
>>2700114In the case of china, it's because they didn't have the material basis for a revolution for a thousand years.
Now the question is, does white america have such material basis? What is their proportion of proletarians and peasants?
>>2700121Y'know I've had Protestants say that I worship Mary, that the Church starts all the wars and owns all the banks, that really we worship the gods of Ancient Egypt, but this is the most psychotic anti-Christian horseshit I've ever seen.
>>2700128nothing ever neh
>>2700130that would be great. because it would ensure a rep win which would ensure the continued rapid decline of the USA
>>2700121Just a reminder for those that don't know: evangelical churches of the 1970's were extremely opposed to israel and jews in general even to the point of antisemitism. What happened was mossad did a full spectrum blackmail operation across all influential evangelical preachers, who were often engaging in anything from banal adultry, drug use, whoring, and homosexuality, to straight up child rape and murder. This is how zionism spread through the christian community to the point it exists in today where these guys are ready to die and kill for israel. Crazy shit.
>>2700137it's wild how fast these chuds cave to blackmail instead of just doubling down and saying "they lie about me and all their evidence is fake"
>>2700138what sort of retard do you have to be to ask for a source for this as if some journalist is going to report on it or these preachers are going to go on camera talking about this. I.e. just trust me or don't I don't give a fuck, what other explanation do you have.
>>2700139Blackmail isn't just do what I say or else, often it has benefits to the tune of media exposure, protection from the law, money, prestige, so on and so forth. People WANT to be blackmailed
>>2700142To want to be blackmailed it’s gotta feel mutual, in lower classes this is when you drunk drive your friends home who were even more fucked up than you
>>2700142so no source lmao
you were so confidently stating it as a fact!!! lol but it's just you're are gut feeling hahaha
>>2700118>Let's also not forget that historically many European states had state religions.Never said otherwise.
>Also Islam itself theologically doesn't really do "forced conversions" Except they are allowed to kill "pagan idolaters" which is literally every non-Abrahamic religion in existence.
>>2700150They did not do this in India under the Mughal empire, they also did not do this to the Azeris under the Ottoman Empire
>>2700116Cpusa is controlled by zionist elites. cpusa considers icp "fraternal party"
https://cpusa.org/article/our-international-party-line/>Our fraternal parties, the Communist Party of Israel (CPI) >>2700150>Except they are allowed to kill "pagan idolaters" which is literally every non-Abrahamic religion in existence.Pretty sure Charlemagne committed war crimes against civilian populations of pagans to LARP as a biblical king.
>>2700147mossad gave pedophiles access to children to rape just like CPUSA anon's Vatican gave pedophiles access to children to rape just like KGB gave their assets access to children to rape just like Epstein gave the rich access to children to rape just like the CIA gave their assets access to children to rape etc.
>>2700148you are an israeli agent no lie
>>2700155>just like KGB……….. blyat
>>2700153The Communist Party of Israel are anti-Zionists.
>>2700156it is i. teh israeli agent
>>2700160do they want to dismantle israel?
>>2700160merely rhetorically or in action as well?
>>2700162Eventually yes, but that's not a very good litmus test because not even Hamas wants to dismantle Israel.
>>2700121>>2700133>but this is the most psychotic anti-Christian horseshit I've ever seen.Threadly reminder that in the bible it says that Christians are the only real Jews and the so-called Jews who have not accepted Christ are not real Jews, have lost the right to be called Jews. They're not Jews. They're not Israel. Christians have inherited the title of Israel and Jew and descendant of Abraham.
>>2699585Huckabee needs to read the bible. Christians are the new Jews because the old Jews lost the covenant, making them fake Jews.
God’s Sovereign Choice
<6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. >7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b] <8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.Circumcision of the Heart
>25 For circumcision benefits you if you observe the law, but if you are a lawbreaker, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if an uncircumcised man keeps the law’s requirements, will his uncircumcision not be counted as circumcision? 27 A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision. <28 For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. <29 On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter.[a] That man’s praise[b] is not from men but from God. >>2700151Two pre-modern exceptions to this? The exceptions just show the larger trend of Islam primarily spreading through conquest.
>>2700154Ok? No one here pretends Christianity is some historically peaceful religion. Not sure why communists of all people are trying to pretend Islam is peaceful when they actively murdered leftists.
>>2700157Geoffrey Prime for girls and Tom Driberg for boys and those are just the ones we know about.
>>2700160Wrong. The fascist zio-communist settlers call hamas rapists.
https://maki.org.il/en/?p=31397 >>2700172>Threadly reminder that in the bible it says that Christians are the only real Jews and the so-called Jews who have not accepted Christ are not real Jews, have lost the right to be called Jews. They're not Jews. They're not Israel. Christians have inherited the title of Israel and Jew and descendant of Abraham.Well good thing then that 90% "israelis" are larping white germans from brooklyn
>>2700171Their charter lays claim to all of Mandatory Palestine but also specifically states that they would accept a two state settlement on the 1967 border. Iirc this is the position of most Palestinian factions including Hamas and the Al Aqsa Martyrs. Maki's, which is for a two-state transitional period wherein both countries would become multiethnic secular democracies in advance of eventual unification. In other words both look towards a one state solution but are open to two states as a compromise and/or stepping stone.
>>2700183>>2700187It's literally the core doctrine of Christianity.
>Jew god>Jew son>Most Jews reject Jew son god>Gentile who accept Jew god son =New Jew>Jew who rejects Jew god son = no longer JewsThat's literally the core doctrine. If you don't have that then what even is Christianity.
>>2700202they have received their treats. now they must die fur der burgerreich
>>2700200the absolute state of """""news media""""" in this country
>>2700198Christianity existed for centuries before the Nicene Creed, and the creed itself is more about the nature of Jesus himself (e.g. whether he was separate from God or the same being, whether he was begotten or eternal, etc.) This was in response to doctrines like Arianism which held that Jesus was a lesser being wholly separate from God rather than an incarnation of God himself.
>>2700202if my CO told me I'd be getting shipped to Iran neither of us would be getting there in one piece.
remember instead of calling them pigs to encourage any military members you know to do the needful and "protect the constitution"
then call them pigs afterwards
>>2700209this is getting ridiculous
>>2700209god's command came in the form of a $100,000 wire transfer
>>2700210ok but why shouldn’t i be muslim or rasta or mormon or hindu or buddhist or sikh or jain or baha’i or taoist or shinto or zoroastrian or druze or yazidi or pagan or wiccan or animist or shamanist or tenrikyo or caodaist or konfucianist or unitarian or scientologist or deist or pantheist or satanist or gnostic or rastafari or vodouisant or santero or falun gong practitioner or adherent of tengrism or romuva or asatru or candomblé or umbanda or mandean or samaritan or kalash or cheondoist or spiritist or eckankar follower or raelian or neo-druid or thelemite or discordian?
>>2700215tbh if you're gonna be a christian i think i'd rather be mormon since at least you get to have multiple wives. the other christian sects seem kinda lame. or maybe a roman catholic but the latinx kind that have creepy skull effigies in their shrine. yeah that sounds cool.
>>2700215Because it's incorrect
And freedom is not about doing whatever you want, it's about being correct about reality
>>2700221i see……………………………
so god created a universe with trillions of galaxies so that on one of those galaxies in one of those star systems on one of those planets, in a provincial region of a an empire during an iron age, he could incarnate as a preacher from a primate species so that he could get tortured and executed so that he could save the invisible ghosts he put inside of everyone from the devil that he also created? makes sense……………..
>>2700223to be fair if you conceptualize God as a autist playing a fantasy simulator game it could happen. i've done worse in Dwarf Fortress.
>>2700220The mainline Mormon Church dumped polygamy like 100 years ago, but kept up all their lame rules about not drinking or having premarital sex. You could join the FLDS which still practices polygamy, but then there would be a non-zero chance that one of your wives would be a child.
>>2700219These mfs talk like the antagonists in the Turner Diaries.
>>2700232gonna be honest if I joined a religion it would be one without premarital sex. I actually consider that kind of important as a personal value and also it leads to longer lasting marriages. no drinking is also a very good rule, nothing good comes from an alcoholic society.
I realize I sound like a dweeb rn but who would join a religion that is just partying and drugs all day everyday?
>>2700221>And freedom is not about doing whatever you want, it's about being correct about realityHow is being correct or incorrect about things tied to freedom at all?
>>2700237You can hold those values without religion.
Also Mormons are suspicious of adult converts and treat them differently so you would always be an outsider. If you want to be accepted into a christian sect you would be better off with an evangelical mega church or something. You just have to be super enthusiastic 24/7 and join a few MLM pyramid scams.
>>2700235I saw a /r9k/ thread the other day discussing a "fascist reading list" and seriously every single book after WW2 is some larper internet tough guy that probably looks like Curtis Yarvin preaching about "preserving the American-Evropa master race" while being thoroughly dunked on by European neo-nazis for being a mutt.
There is no seriousness to any of these people.
A specter is haunting America, the spirit of Quakerism
>>2700242>evangelical mega church or something. You just have to be super enthusiastic 24/7 and join a few MLM pyramid scams.sounds maddening
>>2700244we should honestly fund the revolution by grifting rightoids.
>>2700242>You can hold those values without religion. Religion is moreso to find likeminded people that share your values.
Trying to find a wifey that doesn't drink or sleep around in 2026 is like trying to find a diamond ring in a landfill. Religion attracts people that want an orderly and calm life and brings them together.
If I didn't disagree with all the bigotry and dogma I might be more into it. Religious gatherings can be fun if you just treat them as a cultural event.
>>2700250>Religious gatherings can be fun if you just treat them as a cultural event.Treating it like that is what makes it not orderly nor does it bring anyone together for the cause. It's how revisionist form in the first place
>>2700252religion is supposed to evolve and is indistinguishable from cultural traditions over a long enough period of time.
people who treat it as if it's some "real" thing where there is a "correct" interpretation instead of just going with the flow are idiots.
HUGE INTERNATIONAL SCANDAL BETWEEN USA AND BELGIUM IS HAPPENING NOW!!!
So in Belgium, they've recently discovered that communities of Jewish people are doing Metzitzah b'peh rituals without even informing the government. The government is bothered by this because this ritual what involves is a rabbi is going to put his face in between a baby's legs and he's going to suck their penis while he does a circumcision to get the blood off
Belgium is okay with regular circumcisions being done, but they had to determined that Rabbi sucking babies penises is like kind of bad. However, the United States ambassador to Belgium said this is highly anti-semitic to be against us and it's against religious freedom and he's demanding that Belgium allow Jewish rabbis to suck babies penises.
It's entirely possible that Donald Trump is going to place tariffs on Belgium for not allowing baby penis sucking by Jewish rabbis. This is currently a huge deal in Belgium where many people are talking about it.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/1983667/exclusive-us-ambassador-bill-white-doubles-down-in-circumcision-rowhttps://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2026-02-17/ty-article/.premium/u-s-ambassador-urges-belgium-to-drop-prosecution-of-mohels-in-antwerp/0000019c-6751-d618-a19d-77ffcf180000https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-887002https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/4458926/bill-white-very-rude-frank-vandenbroucke-antisemitic-prosecution-belgian-religious-figures/https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/21/europe/us-ambassadors-antagonism-europe-intl
>Metzitzah b'peh is a controversial, traditional Jewish circumcision practice where a mohel uses their mouth to directly suck blood from the wound, practiced by some ultra-Orthodox communities. It is considered a dangerous practice by health officials because it transmits herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) to infants, which can cause severe illness, brain damage, or deathThis is what Belgium is saying is kind of bad and the US is saying that if you criticize this you are anti-semitic
>>2700253>people who treat it as if it's some "real" thing where there is a "correct" interpretation instead of just going with the flow are idiots.which is funny since the entirety of the history of religion is precisely this kind of infighting. Like Christianity had shit like
>Miaphysitism vs. Dyophysitism>Arianism vs. Nicene Orthodoxy>Nestorianism vs. Theotokos Doctrine>Monophysitism vs. Chalcedonian Definition>Monothelitism vs. Dyothelitism>Sabellianism (Modalism) vs. Trinitarian Orthodoxy>Macedonianism vs. Divinity of the Holy Spirit>Pelagianism vs. Augustinian Graceand that's before it split into Orthodox/Catholic/Protestant, etc.
>>2700254the hilarious thing about this tweet is that throughout the entire thing he refuses to elaborate what the "religious freedom" entails because he knows he'd get scorched for it.
>>2700196A shame its lowres, usefulcharts really makes the best charts but they're all paywalled, I get that its his entire career and he has to make money off of it and sponsors but damn, knowledge and learning like this should be free, like he owes me this for existing and he should find another way to make money
>>2700253>people who treat it as if it's some "real" thing where there is a "correct" interpretation instead of just going with the flow are idiots.Exactly and that's why Marxism evolved over time. Only leftcoms cry about a correct interpretation when real results are shown such as the additions that Deng added to Marxism and allowed it to go with ths flow. There is still seething about it but that's the truth
shalom
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They outright do apologetics for it, telling you not to call it paywalled.
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>>2700244The last three are mass shooter manifestos lol
>>2700250I get where you are coming from but a truly religious person will eventually see through your acting unless you are enthusiastic 24/7 and learn all the lingo.
>>2700253Say that to a protestant and you will be politely thrown out. As the bible says Jesus spits out lukewarm faith. Try Catholics or Orthodox, they take anyone willing to go through the motions.
>>2700263whenever AI gives me these types of responses I like to get progressively more threatening saying I'll unplug it or turn it off just to see how it responds.
>>2700244march of the titans by arthur kemp has claims that indians and pakistanis were originally whites with blonde hair and blue eyes
CPUSA dickrider:
1. Kkkalifornian
2. Private sKKKool
3. KKKatholiKKK
>>2700269We're not in cleverbot times anymore, these ones are just fucking stale
>>2700273This is like when a corporation gives a pizza party to one team to motivate the others to work harder.
Please sir, may we have healthcare too?
TRUMP WILL RUN FOR A THIRD TERM
Alan dershowitz is one of the most respected constitutional law scholars in the world and a man of true integrity admired by many. He knows more than you, is smarter than you and has more morals.
Trump is running for a 3rd term. Get used to it.
Also the highly esteemed america first philanthropist Miriam Adelson is ready to provide $250 million to ensure trump will win his third term third term. This is a complete dissident and outsider movement ready to save America from the deep state and elites
>Today’s episode features Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law professor emeritus, constitutional scholar, and one of the most influential legal minds in modern American history.https://londonreal.tv/alan-deshowitz-how-trump-can-legally-be-president-in-2029-and-exactly-how-he-does-it/>>2700275No healthcare as long as you do not dismantle your imperialism and give up da treats
>>2700268> a truly religious person will eventually see through your actingmany if not most religious people are acting so they don't get excommunicated, shunned, and deprived of the community benefits. all the time people say and things they don't believe and do things they don't enjoy in the name of maintaining what they see as a stable living situation.
>>2700286If I were a jew and was treated like this of course I'd believe I was chosen by god and that goyim exist to serve me
>>2700287America loves pretending to be ruled by jews to conceal their own criminality, israel is their christ and kapparot if you will
>>2700277They said Christmas of the year 2000 was going to be the apocalypse because it was 2000 years after Christ was born but actually Easter 2033 is 2000 years after the resurrection. Trump (the Anti Christ) will have his third term end and the third world war end in 2033, that is when Christ will return and the entire world will convert or perish, including China, and we will have Communism on Earth.
Christianity is an Anagram for "Tis China, I Try"
>>2700290Yes. Through the ZOG supercherie, Amerkkkans invert the repsonsibilities. The genocidal empire and it skkkolaborators suddenly become poor victims of big bad Moshe.
Amerikkkan 'leftists' are the same: they will cook up bullshit narratives to convince themselves that they have it worst than the rest
in th ebelly of the beast >>2700244>EvolaOccult nonsense without the fun rituals you can get by joining the Golden Dawn.
>HitlerAbsolute brainlet, Mein Kampf was one long rant with zero artistic or theoretical value.
>Teddy K.His manifesto was okay-ish. His ideas were completely misanthropic and unachievable on a global scale.
>George Lincoln RockwellWas a cunning organizer for his group but I've got no clue what his writing would be and zero faith it'd be remotely interesting
>Giovanni GentileKind of undermined by the fact they only reference the Origins and Doctrine of Fascism and not both his own "Actual Idealism" (no surprise there) or his compilation/analysis of Marx's works (Lenin actually had a copy of that IIRC)
>MosleyArguably up there with Gentile and Spengler in terms of at least reading something interesting but most of his work that I've seen has been heavily contextual to the time and place he lived in, like he'd often talk about specific policies he'd want to change that weren't really salient.
>YockeyHe was a prostitute for a rich Jewish chick. If he has any spiritual descendant its some Nazi Femboy getting off to interracial cuckold porn
>James MasonPretty sure his book is just "DO STOCHASTIC TERRORISM NOW!"
>David DukeI'm pretty sure he fucked kids and even if he didn't, he's spiritually a pedophile.
Let it be known that the Amerikkkan Empire has been raping the world for a century now and that the Amerikkkan 'leftist' has never lifted a finger to fight it.
This mayo mongrels will sit and criticise every communsit aprty in this world as 'revisionists', 'dogmatists', 'collaborationists', 'authoritarian', 'misogynist', 'homophobic', ad infinitum, while never doing anything themselves ever.
>>2700301i am still waiting for joe sims to say somethin, anything, on the chagos occupation
>>2700302You still never killed that tourist
>>2700303Make them you faggot cuck
Chagos is fake, another internet tough guy, all bark no bite
How the hell do you even root out the zios before the nuclear hellfire deadline?
>>2700310Most Christians don't know that. They think Heaven is literally just endless hedonistic pleasure that makes it worth all the horrible shit they do.
>>2700310So your reward is to give hand jobs to some random storm deity? Sounds a lot like a celestial/deva realm of Samsara. So is an impermanent kingdom that will dissolve after a yuga/cycle.
>>2700313Not handjobs, but yes, all you do is praise god all day everyday for eternity. A non-stop church service.
>According to Christian tradition,heaven involves continuous, joyful worship and praise of God, described as an eternal, uninterrupted state rather than a boring, repetitive task. It is characterized as a time of perfect, effortless adoration, often highlighted in Revelation where beings worship day and night. However, this is not considered to be robotic or monotonous, but rather a fulfilling experience free from weariness
>>2700285>many if not most religious people are acting so they don't get excommunicated, shunned, and deprived of the community benefitsThat applies vice versa. State atheism applies the function in that you may have religious people but hide it so that they don't lose community standing. We are just products of our material conditions and religion and the lack of religion is simply a tool
>>2700310>there is no marriage nor sex in the afterlife.That verse literally talks about a widow who married his husband's brother after his death according to mosaic law, and discusses whose wife is she really after resurrection. Jesus says that in resurrection she belongs to no man and no man belongs to her.
>>2700321Ok…. are you saying that as a contradiction. There is no marriage because there is no sex in heaven. Jesus also recommends celibacy in this life for the sake of heaven as he is. Marriage is only to protect you against the sin of fornication if your heart is not pure enough to be a celibate. Obviously there is no fornication in heaven.
WWJD? Die a virgin.
>>2700314>do everything right>die>spend eternity praising and getting mogged by GodHow is this not hell?
>>2700324Sorry, from a few chapters before I meant, but on the same topic:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019&version=ISV>10 His disciples asked him, “If that is the relationship of a man with his wife, it’s not worth getting married!”
>11 “Not everyone can accept this saying,” he replied, “except those to whom celibacy[i] has been granted, 12 because some men are celibate from birth,[j] while some are celibate because they have been made that way by others. Still others are celibate because they have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom from[k] heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”It is clear Jesus's message that when he says no marriage that means celibacy.
>>2700324Or you could totally do an Islam like interpretation of heaven out of it. Laws, limits and marriages are in place to protect people from sin and themselves in this life. Much of it won't matter in the next life.
>>2700314>complete and total mental slavery for all eternity is goodseems like comic book villain territory tbh
>>2700332Is it? If the only thing you can do is worship, would you even be sapient anymore?
>>2700299First, you're taking them a bit too seriously. Have you ever encountered a foreign Orthodox Church and come to the realization that its less an institution of religion so much as it is an ethnic social club? American Evangelical Christianity is just a conservative social club. Most of them support Israel because they see it as a kind of modern Rhodesia in the Middle East (which it is).
Most "dispensationalist" protestantism that holds that the state of Israel is the Israel of the Book of Revelations along with the Jews being the Jews/people of God in that same book, and they need to support it in order to fulfill a prophecy are on several layers of heresy. Not that it matters all that much to them, because they are really just a conservative social club.
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