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MARXIST-LENINIST GENERAL
Founder's Edition
Esteemed comrades, revolutionary greetings.
This is a thread for Marxist-Leninist to talk among Marxist-Leninists. By that, we mean actual, real, complete Marxist-Leninists, not those who appropriate the heritage of Marxism-Leninism, but then proceed to denounce Lenin and Stalin from anarchist, left-deviationist and right-deviationist positions. Be not afraid to mercilessly bully the trotskyist, the leftcommunist, the anarchist, the social democrat and all the other saboteurs and lackeys of imperialism.

z⣿⣻⣟⣯⣟⣿⢿⡻⣟⣿⣽⣻⣟⡿⣻⣽⣻⢟⣻⡟⣿⡻⣟⡿⣽⣻⢿⣽⡻⣟⣿⣻⢟⣿⣻⢿⣽⣻⣽⣻⠿⣽⣻⣟⣿⣻⣟⣿⣻⡽⣯⢿⡽⣯⠿⣽⣻⣽⣻⢯⣟⣿⣻⣟⣿⣻⢯⣟⡿⣽⣻⢟⣿⡻⣟⣿⣻⣟⣿⣻⣟⣿⣻⣟⣯⣟⣯⢿⡽⣯⠿⣽⢯⠿⣽⢯⡿⣽⣻⣽⣻⣽⣻⣽⣻⡽⣯⢿⡽⣯⠿⣽⢯⠿⣽⢯⠿⣽⣫⣟
⣞⡷⢯⣟⣿⣻⣿⣿⡿⣶⢯⣗⣯⣽⣳⢯⣟⣯⢷⣻⢷⣻⣽⣻⢷⣯⣟⡾⣽⣻⢶⣯⣟⣾⣳⣟⣮⢷⣳⢯⣟⡷⣻⡼⣞⣷⢻⣞⣷⣻⡽⣯⢷⣯⣟⡷⣯⢶⣯⣟⣾⣳⡽⣞⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣻⢶⣻⣞⣳⣟⣾⣳⣟⣾⣳⣟⡾⣯⣟⣷⣻⡽⣞⡿⣽⠾⣝⡷⢯⣶⢻⣶⣛⡶⣯⠷⣏⡿⣞⣽⣻⢽⡞⣿⣹⡞⣟⣧⠿⣼
⡾⣽⣛⡾⣽⣏⡿⣿⡽⣿⡿⣾⣷⣳⣯⣟⡾⣭⡿⣽⢯⡷⣯⢯⡷⣯⢾⣽⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣞⣳⢾⡽⣫⢯⣟⡾⣽⣳⢿⣹⣞⡿⣞⣳⢯⡷⣯⣟⡶⣯⢿⣽⣻⣞⣾⣳⣽⣻⡽⢯⣟⡾⣽⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣳⢯⣟⣧⣟⣷⡻⣶⣻⡞⣷⣻⢾⣽⣳⢯⣞⣷⣻⡽⣽⣫⢿⣽⡻⣟⣾⣛⡶⣯⢟⣞⡿⣹⢷⣛⣮⠷⣏⣟⣳⣭⢿⣹⣞⣻⣳
⣽⡳⢯⣳⢟⣮⢷⣻⢯⡓⠿⣽⣻⣟⡷⣿⡽⣯⢿⡽⣯⢿⡽⣯⢿⣽⣻⢾⣽⣻⢾⣽⣳⢯⣟⣯⣾⣽⣻⢾⣽⣳⢯⣞⡷⣯⡽⣯⣟⣯⢿⡵⣾⡽⣯⢷⣻⣞⡽⣞⣷⣛⡾⣽⣻⢾⣽⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣳⢯⣟⢾⣣⣟⡾⣽⣳⢯⣽⣳⢯⣟⡶⣯⣟⣾⣵⣯⣽⣷⣽⣿⣶⣿⣽⣮⣿⣽⣳⣟⢾⣹⢟⡾⣝⡾⣻⢽⣺⣳⢯⢯⡷⣞⣳⡽
⢾⡽⣯⡽⢾⣹⠾⠙⠛⣿⣦⠈⠳⣯⣟⣷⣻⡽⣯⢿⣽⣻⢿⣽⣻⣞⣯⢿⡾⣽⢯⡷⣟⣯⢿⣞⡷⣯⣟⡿⣾⣽⣻⢾⣽⢷⣻⢷⣻⣞⣯⣟⣷⣻⣽⣯⣷⣯⢿⡽⣞⡽⣽⣳⢯⣟⡾⣽⣛⡾⠽⠷⠯⠟⠾⠯⢷⣯⣽⣷⣯⣟⡾⣽⣿⣾⣿⣿⡿⢿⡿⣿⢿⣿⣿⡿⠛⢋⣉⣹⣯⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣾⡽⡽⣞⣽⡳⣏⡷⢯⣛⡾⣝⣧⣟
⣻⣼⣳⣿⠋⠁⠈⠀⢾⣯⢟⣷⠀⠸⣿⣼⣳⢿⣽⣻⢾⣽⣻⣞⣷⣻⣞⣯⠿⣽⠯⠿⢛⠛⠛⠚⠛⠳⠯⠿⣳⢯⣟⠿⣞⣿⣽⣿⣵⣶⣶⢀⣀⣀⣀⣀⡀⠈⠉⠙⠛⠻⠷⢯⡿⠞⠛⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠠⠉⠞⣿⣶⣷⣾⣻⡿⢹⡿⢫⠟⢰⢈⣿⣎⣵⡞⣼⣏⣠⣴⢾⣿⣿⠿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣽⣶⡻⣭⣟⢯⣯⡽⢯⡶⢯
⣯⢯⣻⢿⣆⢀⣤⣀⠈⠻⣾⡽⡆⠀⣿⣽⣻⢾⣽⣻⢾⡽⣯⢿⣽⠯⣛⣯⡴⠋⠀⢀⠜⡤⢀⠤⠒⠀⠐⠀⠙⠺⢽⣶⣻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣾⣟⣯⠉⠙⡓⠲⠤⠄⠀⢀⡠⠚⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠐⠹⢿⣿⣿⣿⠁⡾⢁⡎⠀⢸⣬⣿⣿⣽⡡⣿⣿⡟⠙⠌⠋⢉⢠⣼⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣳⢯⡽⣾⣭⢷⣞⣳⣞
⣿⢯⡷⣯⢿⡿⣿⣯⣷⣄⠈⠛⠇⠀⣿⢾⣽⣻⢾⡽⣯⢿⣽⠟⢫⠴⠋⠀⣀⠀⣠⢊⣉⣴⣦⠔⠁⡠⠚⡠⠄⠀⠀⠀⢹⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⠿⠿⠿⠾⠿⠿⣷⣶⣧⣤⡴⠋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠺⣿⣿⠋⠐⢸⣿⡁⣸⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⡿⣿⡯⠓⢌⡀⢤⣀⡌⠭⣩⢟⡽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣯⣟⡶⣯⣟⢾⣳⡽
⣿⣻⢿⠋⠉⢠⣤⡈⠓⠛⠓⠀⠀⠐⢿⣯⡾⣽⢯⡿⣽⠏⠃⣠⣤⠶⠛⠘⠛⠐⠈⠙⠉⠉⠉⠙⠲⠷⠊⠁⠀⠀⡤⠚⠉⠉⠉⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢿⣿⣤⢙⣯⢻⣿⠟⠛⠋⠉⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠘⢻⣤⣀⠀⣂⣡⡾⣽⣳⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣽⣳⣞⣯⢷⣻
⣿⡽⣿⣧⣶⢿⣽⣻⢶⣶⣶⢿⣳⣄⠀⣹⡽⣯⣟⣿⣉⣴⣾⠛⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠎⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢸⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⢻⠏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣿⣿⣿⣷⠟⣽⢻⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⢯⣞⡾⡽⣞
⣿⣽⣳⣟⣿⡽⣶⢯⣟⡾⣽⣻⣷⣟⡿⣯⢟⣷⠟⠉⠉⡝⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡞⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡌⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡟⠿⣿⣻⣽⢬⣓⣮⣝⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢮⢷⣻⢽
⡷⣯⡷⣟⣾⢿⣽⣛⡾⣽⣳⢟⡾⣽⣻⣭⡿⠃⢀⣰⣼⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢠⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡞⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣷⡀⣤⣌⡿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢯⣛⡾⣽
⣟⣷⣻⢯⣟⣯⣿⣿⣽⣳⢯⣿⣹⣗⡿⠊⢀⣠⣾⣿⣿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠞⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡧⢄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣀⣀⣀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣜⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣀⣠⣤⣤⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣽⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⢯⣏⡷⢯
⣿⢾⡽⣯⣟⣾⣳⢿⣻⣽⣻⢮⡷⣾⠀⠀⠀⢙⠶⠛⡏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣠⣤⣤⣀⠀⠀⢠⣠⣤⣤⣶⣶⣶⣦⣤⣀⠀⠀⠹⣷⣤⣄⡀⠀⢠⣀⣠⣶⣿⡿⠟⠛⠉⠙⠛⢦⣄⣀⠴⠾⡟⠻⢶⡆⠀⠰⠶⣿⣿⠛⢛⣉⠛⠿⣿⣦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠺⣷⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣻⢞⡽⣯
⣿⢯⣟⡾⣵⢯⣿⣻⣽⣟⣯⡿⣽⡏⢩⢒⡴⠋⠀⢰⣿⣶⣤⡀⡀⢀⢀⣠⣤⣶⣾⡿⠗⠲⢤⣀⠀⠀⠸⡿⢋⣻⣿⡗⠂⠈⠻⣿⣿⣿⣭⣁⡀⠀⠉⠳⣄⠀⢙⢄⣹⣿⠆⠀⠈⣹⣿⣿⣶⣶⣤⣬⣁⣺⣿⣓⢯⣉⠴⢷⣶⣾⠇⠔⠁⠀⢀⣿⣶⣶⡿⢿⣶⣌⣙⡷⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢺⡹⣿⣿⡟⠛⢻⠟⣉⣤⣙⣿⣿⣿⣟⣧⢿⡽⣞
⣿⣻⢾⣽⣻⣞⣳⢿⣿⡾⣽⣻⢷⢣⡞⢉⠟⣤⠤⠿⣿⣍⣭⣿⣿⠚⠛⠻⢿⣿⣷⣦⣤⣤⣀⣩⣳⣄⠀⠱⣿⣿⣿⡇⠀⢀⡾⠛⢿⣿⣟⠿⠙⠳⣦⣶⢽⡁⠈⠿⢿⡟⠀⠀⠀⠙⢿⡀⢿⡯⠭⠀⠈⢉⠿⠋⠉⠁⣀⣈⡿⠇⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢙⠿⣿⣐⡀⠀⠠⠛⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠉⠋⠁⠀⠀⠀⣴⠛⡇⠘⣯⣿⣿⣻⣞⣯⡽⣞
⣿⣽⣻⣞⡷⣯⣻⠾⣽⢿⣿⡽⣿⣶⠉⣤⠂⠀⠀⠀⢘⣿⣛⣓⡟⠀⠀⠀⠀⠙⢻⣭⣍⡈⠉⠙⠯⠝⠀⢠⠟⢩⡟⠀⢀⠞⠀⠀⠘⣯⣁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠀⢀⡇⡘⠀⠀⠐⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠁⠁⠈⠉⠁⠀⠀⢠⡾⣉⢼⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡔⠁⠀⠀⠉⠉⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⡀⠀⢰⣿⣷⣿⡄⣿⣿⣟⣷⣻⢾⡽⣯
⣿⣞⡷⣯⣟⡷⣯⢿⡽⡾⣽⣻⣿⣿⣼⣿⡇⣀⠤⣶⣇⡘⢋⡹⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠛⢌⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣏⠀⡰⠁⠀⠀⡄⣀⣀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣼⢻⡵⠁⠀⢲⣀⠤⠄⢦⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⣀⣼⢣⣴⠃⢠⠂⠀⣤⣶⠍⠑⢦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠇⢀⣼⢢⢉⣿⠇⣷⣿⣿⢾⡽⣯⣟⣷
⢿⡽⣷⣻⣽⢷⣻⠾⣵⣳⢯⣟⣿⣿⣿⣿⣷⡉⢀⣽⡍⠁⠊⠁⠀⠀⠀⡠⠄⢦⠀⠀⠈⠀⠀⠀⡀⠀⠀⢹⡄⢇⠀⠀⠀⡑⠉⠉⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⣿⢨⣇⡀⠀⢸⣟⣀⠀⢨⡆⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠰⣿⡟⣎⢿⡀⣾⢀⣐⣉⣉⣀⣰⠈⢧⡀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠄⢾⣯⠬⠸⢋⣶⣿⣿⣟⣾⣳⢯⡿⣽
⢯⣟⡷⣿⡽⣯⣟⣿⣳⢯⣟⣞⣳⢿⣿⣷⢻⣷⡟⣿⡄⢠⠖⢦⣄⣤⣾⣤⣤⠄⠓⢌⠀⠀⠀⠊⠀⠀⠀⣎⣇⣨⣿⣿⣾⣿⣟⠒⠉⠻⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠘⠤⠳⡈⢛⣿⣿⣿⣯⡋⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠘⣿⣿⣜⠦⡟⢛⣿⣿⣿⣇⣀⣀⠀⢀⠙⡄⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⡖⠐⣶⡀⣹⣾⣿⣟⣾⣳⣟⣯⢿⣽
⣻⠾⣽⣳⡿⣽⣾⣳⣯⣟⡾⣝⣯⣟⡾⣿⠋⠉⠀⣟⣥⣴⣾⣿⣻⣿⣿⣟⣹⡋⠀⠀⢳⣄⠀⠀⠀⢀⣼⣾⢟⡭⢉⢡⡿⠟⠉⠙⢆⢠⡀⢁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠐⠀⣸⠋⢼⣿⡯⠺⣽⡷⢶⣶⣶⣆⠀⠀⠀⣽⠁⣹⡧⣿⡏⢹⣿⠙⢻⣿⣿⣇⡲⣿⡌⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⡐⠠⠈⣼⣷⣄⣸⠷⢫⣿⣟⣾⣳⣟⡾⣽⣻⢾
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⣷⣻⠾⣽⡽⣳⢯⣿⣽⣯⢷⣟⣯⢿⠁⢀⡤⣽⣿⣿⡿⠭⠉⠙⠙⣻⡶⠯⠿⠿⢿⡿⢿⡿⢿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣿⣤⡀⡀⠀⠀⣠⣿⣷⢶⠄⢀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠟⢩⡿⠟⠉⠉⠀⠀⠀⠀⠠⠀⠀⢀⢡⠚⡤⢃⠌⠙⡆⠛⠛⠋⠑⠃⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⠐⢠⠉⠦⢡⠝⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⣸⣿⣯⣟⡷⣾⣽⣻⢾⡽
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the phonetariat will be unable to see your beautiful ASCII art, but the PCoisie is haunted by the spectre of your flag

>>2700710
The Phonetariat is a backwards, reactionary class. They resist revolutionary ASCII and cling to their JPEG and PNG backwardness. Worse of all are their WEBM extremists.

I was thinking about how amazing was the CPC's governmental model overall. It is top-down but also down-top at the same time.

China is truly one of the most democratic systems alive.

Economics Problems of Socialism in the USSR? Hit or miss?
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm

>It is said that commodity production must lead, is bound to lead, to capitalism all the same, under all conditions. That is not true. Not always and not under all conditions! Commodity production must not be identified with capitalist production. They are two different things. Capitalist production is the highest form of commodity production. Commodity production leads to capitalism only if there is private owner-ship of the means of production, if labour power appears in the market as a commodity which can be bought by the capitalist and exploited in the process of production, and if, consequently, the system of exploitation of wageworkers by capitalists exists in the country. Capitalist production begins when the means of production are concentrated in private hands, and when the workers are bereft of means of production and are compelled to sell their labour power as a commodity. Without this there is no such thing as capitalist production.


>Well, and what is to be done if the conditions for the conversion of commodity production into capitalist production do not exist, if the means of production are no longer private but socialist property, if the system of wage labour no longer exists and labour power is no longer a commodity, and if the system of exploitation has long been abolished - can it be considered then that commodity production will lead to capitalism all the same? No, it cannot. Yet ours is precisely such a society, a society where private ownership of the means of production, the system of wage labour, and the system of exploitation have long ceased to exist.


>Commodity production must not be regarded as something sufficient unto itself, something independent of the surrounding economic conditions. Commodity production is older than capitalist production. It existed in slave-owning society, and served it, but did not lead to capitalism. It existed in feudal society and served it, yet, although it prepared some of the conditions for capitalist production, it did not lead to capitalism. Why then, one asks, cannot commodity production similarly serve our socialist society for a certain period without leading to capitalism, bearing in mind that in our country commodity production is not so boundless and all-embracing as it is under capitalist conditions, being confined within strict bounds thanks to such decisive economic conditions as social ownership of the means of production, the abolition of the system of wage labour, and the elimination of the system of exploitation?

>>2700722
That book is very important.
For once, finally, a socialist was writing about what has been done, what was successful and what not, and what should be considered moving forward.

Easy to write volumes to pile shit on others, not easy to talk about work that is actually being done.

>>2700739
tungjatjeta

>>2700722
Definite hit. Stalin is right that commodity production =/= capitalism as long as it isn't generalized or the primary form of production.


>>2700722
Stalin is correct. If the means of production themselves aren't a commodity, if there isn't a proprietor class and production as a whole doesn't follow profit motive but there's some commodity production, it's downright delusional to call that capitalism.
It's also a little annoying that the book only ever gets brought up in le commodity arguments though there's so much more interesting in it.

While certainly more successful than the Paris commune, ML reached its theoretical and practical limitations decades ago and a new rupture is needed, Marxism Leninism Maoism simply isn’t that, PPW isn’t working in India or the Philippines let along workable in the imperial core

>>2700722
ultrasisters, our response?

>>2700838
do we really need even more theory when the real lack is power

>>2700838
>While certainly more successful than the Paris commune, ML reached its theoretical and practical limitations decades ago and a new rupture is needed, Marxism Leninism Maoism simply isn’t that, PPW isn’t working in India or the Philippines let along workable in the imperial core
It's called Dengism-Ziggerism-Second-Worldism and it's wrecking the firstoid rushers while uplifting the thirdoid draggers

>>2700899
Without correct theory there is no correct action

>>2700900
trvthnvke

>>2700900
Jazz isn’t real and isn’t applicable to real life (I wish this wasn’t true)

>>2700722
ive read all of this book over getting pissy agaisnt leftcoms, bold to say, they never refuted the discussion of commodity production under socialism and will always refuse

>>2700919
Think about it. Look at how on tempo the Chinese are right now.

>>2700931
China doesn’t exist

>>2700931
You are so right anon

>>2700931
China exclusively makes the blandest shittiest pop music of all time

>>2700936
That's Worst Korea

>>2700963
China just copies the pop culture slop from worst Korea and Japan

>>2700963
Honestly, at this point Worst Korea has more interesting pop than the United States does. It might all be homogeneous trash, but at least it mixes multiple genres of music instead of being Xanned out trust fund kids mumbling over droning bass and trap beats. I'm not some K-Pop weirdo or anything and I think the culture around it is gross and materialistic, but it at least clears the floor level bar that American pop has set.

Is this the thirdworldist coordination staging ground?

I have some proposals for a change of tactics in our ppw against /usapol/

>>2701020
>I have some proposals for a change of tactics in our ppw against /usapol/

Go on, I'm certainly not a spy sent by /usapol/ to keep tabs on the third worldists

>>2701020
>Is this the thirdworldist coordination staging ground?
Third worldism and Marxism-Leninism are mutually exclusive so no.

Would you wear something like this in public or are you scared of trots and anarkiddies crashing out on you?

>>2701051
I worship stalin pbuh, and he was against the cult of personality (idolatry) so no

>>2701051
I'm already too scared to wear my KGB shirt outside

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>>2701051
I had a bag with Mao's face on i wore everywhere for years.

>>2701060
Mao was an American puppet, might as well be wearing a Gadsden flag

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>>2701051
>>2701052
>>2701056
>>2701060
will you ever overthrow porky or will you just buy communist themed commidities from them?

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>>2701061
>Mao was an American puppet
2026… I am forgotten

>>2701051
Stalin's legacy is too mixed to be t-shirt worthy. I'd do Marx or Lenin tho.

>>2701129
The difference between the KMT and the CPC is smaller than between the Democrats and Republicans

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>>2701162
>Stalin's legacy is too mixed to be t-shirt worthy.
nonsense
>I'd do Marx or Lenin tho.
forget about it, you will wear this and you will be happy

>>2701177
Wearing this in China and getting beaten to death

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>>2701177
I would unironically wear that and ultras can die mad about it.

>>2701191
I can respect that.

>>2701162
>>2701191
Sabofag is an anti-stalin, pro-khruschev revisionist…
Noticing… ✍️

>>2701218
Marxist Leninist as a label only applies to Khruschev an Brezhnev supporters, Stalin enjoyers are either MLM, ML MZT, or Hoxhaist

Whats the marxist leninist position on torturing reactionaries
Some of them nazis got off too easy by hanging


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>>2701162
>too mixed
based

did the engineers in 1928 or 1929 deserve it, comrades?

>>2700927
it's fine if you disagree with them, but from an orthodox Marxist pov they are correct

>>2700995
burgerpop is back actually

Why did the cia glaze Andropov so much?

>>2701491
I'll only accept burgerpop being back if it's one of three things
1) hair metal
2) new jack swing
3) psychadelic pop ala The Beatles

>>2701449
Did Leonid Ramzin deserve getting let off the hook and even getting the lenin prize? No. He should have been shot.

>>2701498
Where do you see any glazing in this document?

>>2700927
Marxist-Leninists cannot waste time 'refuting' obtuse, obscure, obfuscatory nonsense erected by Leftcoms due to the latter's fundamental misunderstandings.

The leftcom misunderstands, materialises a golem out of this misunderstanding, then writes a dense refutation of his imagined golem, and self-satisfied, he declares victory. The reasonable ML can only watch, laugh and move on to more pressing matters.

>>2701498
https://eventsinukraine.substack.com/p/andropovs-ambiguity

>“Apparently, deep within state security after the defeat of Beria and Khrushchev’s repressions against the intelligence elite, a secret, deeply conspiratorial core arose, harboring hatred for the party dilettantes, the Komsomol upstarts who seized control of the KGB. This secret circle restored the organs’ influence and achieved Khrushchev’s removal, but this goal seemed intermediate, and the conspirators set the aim of seizing power in the country, eliminating the decrepit ideology, and radically reforming the ossified state and society. The circle, headed by Andropov, became the foundation of the KGB’s secret order…


>“This circle, led by Andropov, included fashionable political journalists, aides to party leaders, prominent writers and actors with liberal views, and of course, intelligence officers, diplomats, economists—everyone who traveled abroad, was granted extra degrees of freedom, and possessed information and influence. In this circle, where feasts reigned, along with funny Jewish anecdotes, beautiful women who moved from one club member to another, bohemia, and idle pastime at dachas and luxurious apartments, important matters were conducted. Figures were promoted to prominent roles in newspapers and magazines. Needed appointments of ambassadors and party apparatus leaders were ensured. Delegations were sent abroad. Prestigious awards were granted. Gradually, a liberal social stratum was created, bound by mutual guarantee, informal ties of friendship, where ideas of reform—detente, convergence, perestroika— matured. When Andropov became head of the party, the KGB order, still covert, had a vast sphere of influence on its periphery in the party, culture, government bodies, and information. There, the idea of changing the political system was tacitly declared…”

>>2701549
Marxist-Leninists can't argue for their views while wasting time on a leftist debate and shitposting forum

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>>2701549
>reasonable ML

MLs don't have to argue since we're not part of the Talmudic 'interpret and reinterpert the holy text' leftcom sect. We have a totality of facts and not isolated gotchas blown out of proportion. Sorry, but the organizational and ideological confusion WILL stop

I CAN'T READ

>>2701597
What is with this retarded cope? Leftcoms think because they read drek churned out by the thousands that is somehow contributes qualitatively to the movement. It's the same with anarchist and their trite and flat publishing, in which they are so proud of. Your reading is mindless consumption (of commodities)

>>2701602
They read everything except the “socialism is a science, not dogma” part. Honestly, for leftcoms in the modern age, all of this socialism business is mainly an intellectual curiosity to debate over. They’re only invested in reading to that end, the nebulously defined “socialism” they ostensibly advocate for is consciously a moonshot for which they will land amongst the stars of SocDem revival.

They hate MLs therefore because they’re fucking up the program, potentially leading people to desire more than have history repeat itself with SocDem’ism. MLs have seen revolution be possible, they’ve had a glimpse at the potential. It’s leftcoms who see opportunity in never settling debates from the 1800s, where seeking “immediate improvements” becomes the only possible praxis for “sensible” and “serious” “socialists”.

>>2701611
Anon MLism is social democracy objectively

>>2701617
KILL YOURSELF YOU GOOD FOR NOTHING GANGRENE

>>2701488
ORTHODOX MARXISM IS A PHRASE WHICH HIDES YOUR LACK OF ORGANIZATION

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Council communism will win

>>2701637
As opposed to what ML organization

>>2701218
I'm not anti-Stalin, I think he did a lot more good than bad. It's just even the good stuff he did was under extremely difficult conditions and often involved costly and hard decisions, making even his correct actions controversial. E.g. I think signing Molotov-Ribbentrop was ultimately the correct move, but obviously cooperating with the Nazis after they've already invaded their neighbours is a bad look. Plus as far as wearing his face on a shirt goes its going to trigger a lot more people who will try to argue about it. Conclusion: I wouldn't put him on a shirt but I'd put his portrait up in my house. I also consider accusations of the post-Stalin USSR being "revisionist" to be ultra nonsense on the same level as Trot complaints about "Stalinism". The USSR was authentically socialist until Gorbachev came along.

>>2701660
no proof of leftcom organization, only cope btw

>>2701717
How’s ML organization working out for you?

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>>2701488
Notice how "abolish commodity production" is no t on this list.

>>2701739
what do you think abolish private property means retard

>>2701742
Where does it say that

>>2701744
point 5

>>2701747
>until such time…
Notice how it's in passive voice. You don't abolish social relations. They are abolished in the process of developing socialism

>>2701752
Communism

>>2701752
Sublated, not abolished

>>2701754
Abolished

>>2701712
>I also consider accusations of the post-Stalin USSR being "revisionist" to be ultra nonsense on the same level as Trot complaints about "Stalinism".
Thats retarded, you can consider it an unproductive outdated discussion if you want but there is nothing "ultra" about calling post-Stalin USSR revisionist. What is ultra nonsense is considering a revisionist socialist state to be an enemy equal or worse than capitalist imperialism.
>The USSR was authentically socialist until Gorbachev came along.
yeah they were "socialists" but not communists, just like Allende for example

>>2701767
genuinely if you like stalin what's so terrible about the post-stalin leaders to you

>>2701754
Potato potato the discorse surrounding the precise meaning of aufhebung is tiresome because it's premised on the meaning of the word rather thsn the direct conclusions of marx's theory and concrete analysis of the concrete conditions.

There's stilk tbis idea that the ussr and china "compromised" on theory, that they had to suspend theoretical strictness to match particular conditions.

This is completely backwards. It's the western marxists and leftcoms who are straying, imagining that knowledge is to be gleaned from the definition of words.

Replace "abolish" with "grugdug" and it's still obvious what marx and engels meant

>>2701767
>but there is nothing "ultra" about calling post-Stalin USSR revisionist
Yes there is. Khruschev didn't fundamentally change anything about Soviet economic or foreign policy. He didn't reintroduce private property, generalized commodity production, or any other core features of capitalism. He didn't cease to provide extremely important support for revolutionaries all around the world or cease to confront imperialism. The accusations of capitalist restoration are simply not based on anything concrete or significant enough constitute a change in the mode of production. There was probably a larger difference between FDR and Reagan than there was between Stalin and Khruschev, and yet nobody would suggest that one was running a bourgeois state and the other was not.

I don't know anything about marxism or economics but khruschew removed cultural centers for every commieblock from the urban development and housing plans, and made commieblocks ugly for no reason, so for that I hope hes in hell

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omg literally freaking orwell

>>2701773
Just because they weren't dengists doesn't mean they weren't revisionists lol
>>2701768
Greenlighting democratic socialism
you could argue Stalin telling communists in europe to do popular fronts against fascism is similar, but its not an ahistorical revision of core principles of scientific socialism in general
besides that, I think Khrushchev at least was mostly fine really

>>2701854
In what sense were they revisionists? If they didn't restore capitalism and they didn't reconcile with imperialism then the accusation is meaningless. If the definition of revisionism is working against the socialist revolution and undoing socialist construction (while pretending to be supporting it), then I'd argue you have to do at least one of those two things to qualify.

>>2701864
>If the definition of revisionism is working against the socialist revolution and undoing socialist construction (while pretending to be supporting it)
I think greenlighting democratic socialism in a generalized way does that
I'm guessing you probably think Hoxha was a retard, and I don't agree with him on everything, but I think he was 100% right here:
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/albania/chile.html

>>2701877
>I think greenlighting democratic socialism in a generalized way does that
I might agree if he had renounced revolutionary activity altogether, but we can see from the USSR's robust internationalism at the time that this wasn't the case. In practice it was also just the formalization of a policy that Stalin had already been pursuing with the popular front and dissolution of the comintern.

>>2701881
>the formalization of a policy that Stalin had already been pursuing
thats what makes it revisionism instead of just a mistake in tactics or policy or whatever, I agree the difference is subtle, but that doesnt mean its just an irrelevant detail
After this "formalization" many communists parties dropped leninism forever and became communists in name only, and now the USSR doesnt exist anymore so they can't correct this mistake or compensate via supporting actual revolutionary socialists

>>2701909
I think it's an irrelevant distinction since in countries where parties actually followed this advice revolutionary conditions were lacking anyways.

>>2701791
Learn how to read.
The poster does not say 2+2=5, it says 2+2+the increased enthusiasm of the workers = 5.
Meaning that the 5-year plan will be completed in 4 years due to the increased enthusiasm of the workers.
The anglofaggot Orwell could not be bothered to get a russian to translate the text and he just soygaped over it like the dickless anticommunist animal that he was.

>>2701991
>The anglofaggot Orwell could not be bothered to get a russian to translate the text and he just soygaped over it like the dickless anticommunist animal that he was.
Honestly even if you don't read Russian his interpretation of it was still retarded. Just seeing the poster without reading Russian the obvious intent is to show that socialist plans are so successful and effective that its analogous to making two plus two equal five. It's very similar to the idiom of "giving 110%". The intended meaning is clear as long as you don't have turbo autism.

>>2701976
>this advice
greenlighting democratic socialism in a generalized way (and not even retracting this position after it worked out horribly) is not "advice", is revisionism, sorry

>>2702054
Ehhh technically but in practice I don't think it mattered much. So I'll concede that he was a revisionist but I still maintain that opposing the post-Stalin USSR was just crypto-Trotskyism.

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Is vanguardism just the male dominance hierarchy projected onto the Proudhonist (anarchist) republican form?

>>2702126
>but in practice I don't think it mattered much
it had very serious consequences, i guess you just skipped the text i linked lol

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>>2700710
thanks comrade, for fighting against PCoisie. Here take a fraternal kiss.

>>2703041
Partial quote grossly alters meaning in context

>>2702500
I'm not very inclined to agree with the analysis of somebody who thought Cuban soldiers fighting apartheid were "agents of imperialism." Hoxha was a crypto-Trot.

>>2702500
>>2703049
Also I think it's ridiculous to blame the Soviets for what happened in Chile. Allende was a reformist, his party was a reformist party. The Soviets didn't compel him to do anything, and he ignored the advice of Castro (who Hoxha considered an imperialist) to carry out a genuine revolution. If the Soviets had told him to do the same he likely would have ignored them as well. The irony of course is that if the Soviets had gotten more heavily involved and helped establish a revolutionary government in Chile, Hoxha no doubt would have cited it as an example of "Soviet imperialism".

>>2702468
aww, they love each other

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This is now the /mlpol/ thread

>>2702468
Hinkle feels lost. He is unsure about this whole communist thing. He feels like everything is run by Haz and he is just awkwardly there. He will leave soon. It's all true, he told me.

>>2703815
the way its going its more profitable to be a rightoid

>>2703815
good riddance honestly, i kind of want to support acp guys because they do some good work, but the presence of hinkler makes it difficult as this guy seems to have some sort of longterm ties to the russian government which is concerning to say the least

>>2703832
Ties to the Russian government is good actually, specially if you are an American.
That is not the issue with Hinkle. The issus with him is that he is empty. He says and does nothing of value for a 'communist movement'.

>>2703920
If russkis can manipulate him somehow it would potentially compromise the whole party. Worse yet if russian interests change from destabilizing the US.
>>2703902
That too but he was never there for that purpose in the first place

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>>2703929
>And this will happen when?
I think it already has. At least if you follow the propaganda narrative from RT, it has taken a much softer line towards the U.S. while taking a harder line towards Europe. So there's something about the U.S. government's general approach that the Russian government sees as at least compatible with their own vision of the how the world should work. Also here's Russia's special envoy for economic investment and the CEO of the Russian Direct Investment Fund.

>>2703815
>Hinkle feels lost. He is unsure about this whole communist thing.
It's a LARP.

>>2703937
The ruskis have always talked shit about the Europeans which are just american dogs anyway. Even if Russia were to take a more amicable stance towards the Americans as a strategy, it's not up to them

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>>2703945
You're saying "even if Russia were" and I'm saying Russia is doing that right now. I understand getting negatively polarized because of World War II heroics and Ukraine taking down Lenin statues or whatever, but meming yourself into supporting Putin is going to blow back eventually for any sort of communist-coded thing… pretty sure… because it has really only happened because people started looking to Russia as a proxy to bring the U.S. down, but if that's not even on the agenda now then I don't see the point. Something has to give. Also Russia doesn't have a coherent ideology, the people running Russia are like Trump, it's a Boomer Pride Worldwide thing that rolls on via sheer inertia, and you will not be able to do anything with boomers, it's like pushing on a mountain of potatoes.

>>2703929
>even if the entire party was directly subordinate to Putin himself that would hardly be concerning
It would harm them the same way being beholden to the Soviet government was harmful to the CPUSA. They would always flip flop on issues in ways that perfectly matched Soviet foreign policy, and it made them look like agents of a foreign power rather than allies and defenders of the American worker. For example over the course of FDR's presidency, they went from opposing him during the the Third Period, to supporting him under the Popular Front, to opposing him during Molotov-Ribbentrop, to supporting him during Operation Barbarossa.

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>>2703976
>This is because of america's objective position on the global stage of imperialism and not because anyone has any coherent ideology or not.
The subjective factor also matters though and plays a role in determining how political projects and states are organized and in the outcomes to a certain extent. Objective contradictions require subjective political action otherwise there would be no need to actually form any communist parties or for Marxists to do anything. And they don't do that anything, they just treat geopolitics as a spectator sport. That's why they're useless. At least the ones we're talking about.

Japan also opposed U.S. imperialism in World War II, Germany opposed Anglo imperialism in World War I but they weren't opposing imperialism as a global system of how the world works. They were actually on opposite sides during World War I. But it's like, do you support Japan in World War I or World War II, or the other way around? It's just a one-sided method of analysis.

>We can talk again when the war in ukraine ends and the us and russia will declare that it's all chill now and they're best buds

Okay, fine with me.

>>2704132
Undignified yanks must get the fuck out of Chagos. Death to Amerikkkans

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Yanks? More like yoinks amirite?

>>2704156
they call em yanks because they yanked the chagos islands

>>2704145
send drone pics of the base to irgc to maximize your chances

>>2704155
Yes. I know all of this. Mauritius knows we will never be able to get rid of the yank base. We simply limited our demands to sovereignty, american-exit was never explicitly voiced out. And still, the yank animals……….
The only force in the world capable of defeating american imperialism and NATO is the 'leftists' of amerikkka.
But alas, the yank 'leftists' are all too happy with imperialism

>>2701770
It's the contrapositive to Engels: these gentlemen think that by changing things without changing the name, the things stay the same.

>>2705430
It's a sad state of affairs to be sure

>>2704155
He hasn't personally attacked the base to kill the Anglo soldiers there. Based on the immortal dialectical science of Marxism-Chagosism we have to conclude that this makes him a willing and gleeful collaborator.

>>2705598
It's Felixism-Chagosism saboanon and you clearly don't get that the onus is on Americans to go and kill anglo soldiers and destroy american imperialism, not randos in the third world. He is clean as a whistle and not a collaborator

>>2705602
Wrong. The third world is oppressed. The third world will leave the revolution. Euroamerikkkans are collaborators. You are imperialist.

>>2705606
That's """Thirdworldism""" Saboanon (presuming you meant to say lead the revolution), not Felixism-Chagosism

>>2705615
Wrong etc. You are imperialist kkkrakkka etc.

>>2705602
You are intelligent. You have grasped the crux of anti-imperialism.

>>2705598
You have to clean your own mess. You will not sit and reap the rewards of others. You have to die fighting imperialism. I will inherit your ruins and live a happy life.

>>2705627
Wrong. You are imperialist.

>>2705627
It's because Im not american and I see the people in the rest of the world as human beings like me

>>2703815
Wrong. They are gay lovers. They will soon announce their relationship.

>>2705658
Haz always came off as an insecure bottom to me

>>2705666
He's definitely short enough.

>>2705630
lol its funny when you start TWistposting please keep doing it :)

>>2704132
>The world was a completely different place back then, those were interimperialist conflicts between powers of relatively little difference in influence, at least compared to today.
I don't buy it. Italy in World War I? They entered an inter-imperialist war despite being much less powerful, was that something you would've supported if you were Italian? ᴉuᴉlossnW's transformation into a fascist was a result of that process.

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>>2701991
>>2702008
did you guys really take that post seriously? sigh…

An anti-communist infantile leftlibpol has been created.

>I'm a Marxist-Leninist thread
Yeah but what KIND of Marxist-Leninist thread

>>2726830
In one country, market-style, dipped in wholesome national bourgeoisie and queer small business, served with popular front and national liberation struggle.


wouldn't it be fucked up if the german revolution was our last chance? it's feeling more like it every day.

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>>2734180
Korra truly was Freikorps tier.

Dosen't a Marxist Leninist mean the Marxist plays both sides? So hes capitalist and Marxist as well?

My Understanding of a Marxist is that hes Against the boug.

>>2734702
read the scroll and it shall set you free.

Also it's my understand of Marxism that it's an anti-capitalist view of "Us vs them", so a Lenenist is playing both sides as well as having such an "Us vs Them" mentalist or methodology (like something that keeps happening over and over again), and i've heard it say that Leninin is actually Jesus?

>>2734843
nobody cares about your individualist misunderstanding of marxism

>>2735058
You cared enough to reply.

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>>2734702
You have a wrong understanding then.

>>2735302
wtf?
>>2735328
Where did you get your understanding of Marxism and Leninism?

>>2700710>>2700715
how are you using this site on your phone? I get DATACENTERNODE ban image every time I try to use my phone.

>>2735724
get a PC zoom zoom

>>2735912
How else would they post on here? With a gameboy?

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I used to call myself a Marxist-Leninist, but I feel as if I have been metaphorically kicked out of the ideology, or at least on this website.

>>2737073
We'll bring you right back then.

>>2737073
stop falling for CIA narratives and definitely stop feeling bad for yourself.

After the canonblast of October 1917, only one party proved to be worthy of the title 'Leninist': MEK.


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