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The classical Marxist schema wherein the industrial proletariat forms the decisive vanguard of socialist revolution must be ruthlessly interrogated and superseded when confronted with the objective reality of advanced settler colonialism, parasitic racist imperialism, and the labor aristocracy that binds large swathes of the so-called "working class" to the reproduction of empire.

The settler working class in America which are predominantly white, but including layers of assimilated non-white labor is not, and cannot be, the leading revolutionary subject in the imperial core. This is not moralism or identity politics; it is materialist analysis rooted in the global division of labor, superprofits extracted from the Third World (and internal colonies), and the bribe of relative privilege that turns potential revolutionary classes into social chauvinists or passive beneficiaries of genocide and plunder.

First, we must consider the structure of imperialism as analyzed through a MLM lens informed by dependency/world-systems insights and the theory of the labor aristocracy. The U.S. is the primary pole of the First World empire, a non-productive, consumption-heavy formation sustained by the superexploitation of the global South and the ongoing primitive accumulation against internal colonies (New Afrika/Black nation, occupied Turtle Island/Indigenous nations, occupied Aztlán, etc.). The "wages" of American workers are not merely the fruit of their labor but a redistributed share of imperialist superprofits via crumbs, cheap commodities, home ownership on stolen land, and the ideological bribe of white supremacy/nationalist chauvinism. This creates a clear labor aristocracy whose immediate material interests align more with preserving the imperialist system than overthrowing it. The "white working class" is not exploited in the classical sense that drives revolutionary consciousness; it is co-opted, bought off, and invested in settler-colonial continuity.

Historical evidence abounds from the 1877 railroad strikes through the New Deal labor accords to the post-WWII suburban boom and deindustrialization's selective pain, white workers have repeatedly sided with empire against colonized peoples (e.g., anti-Black pogroms, support for wars of aggression, rejection of reparations or land return). Even in moments of economic distress, reactionary populism and fascist-adjacent MAGA-ism or its left variants tends to dominate rather than proper proletarian internationalism. The classical vanguard role is foreclosed by this structural reality.

In contrast, the colonized masses; New Afrikans (Black people forged in chattel slavery and ongoing national oppression), Indigenous peoples (facing ongoing genocide and land theft), and other internal colonies all remain the principal revolutionary subjects. Their exploitation is not merely economic but existential, national oppression fused with class domination, where the "wage" is survival under carceral colonial terror, environmental racism, and cultural erasure. For them, the contradiction with imperialism is antagonistic and irreconcilable within the existing order. Land, self-determination, and abolition of the settler state are not reforms but preconditions for any genuine socialism.

This necessitates a non-traditional approach to socialism and production. The path forward is not the seizure of production factories by a mythical industrial proletariat but protracted people's war adapted to settler conditions; building dual power in the internal colonies, encircling the beast from within, and forging alliances on the basis of national liberation as the gateway to proletarian internationalism. Production under socialism here cannot mimic Eurocentric models of communist insurrection; it must draw from communal Indigenous traditions of stewardship, New Afrikan cooperative practices born of survival, and Maoist mass-line experiments in self-reliance all decolonized, decentralized, ecologically grounded, and hostile to European bureaucratic commandism / workerism.

The distributed vanguard emerges from these oppressed nations because their struggle is the sharpest knife against the imperialist beast. It is they who can most readily grasp the mass line, mobilize the broadest united front against settler hegemony, and sustain protracted struggle without the illusions of electoralism or social-contract peace. The white settler "proletariat" may join as allies through concrete anti-imperialist action, repudiating white-skin privilege, and submitting to the leadership of colonized vanguards but never as the leading force. To insist otherwise is to tail economism and social chauvinism, betraying dialectical materialism.

In short the colonized are the grave-diggers of empire precisely because empire rests on their graves. Any socialism worthy of the name in this settler hell must be anti-colonial at its core, led by those who have nothing to lose but their chains and everything to reclaim; land, dignity, and a future beyond parasitic "prosperity." The task is not to "unite" a bought-off labor aristocracy with the oppressed but to encircle, isolate, and dismantle the settler state from its internal peripheries outward.

Serve the people principally the most oppressed. Long live the national liberation struggles within the belly of the beast! From the dialectic arises the new synthesis, the distributed vanguard fights for decolonized communism or nothing. These approaches happen to instill way more fear in America's power structures than traditional euro socialism, and this is for a reason; ask yourself the last time you heard the FBI panic about the workers reading club, and then go ahead and look into about how just the words "turtle island" make them think "terror".
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>>2704825
>>2703523
we ALL know your the same guy PAL

>>2704830

FEDERAL AGENTS HAVE SMALL DICKS

>>2704834
>>2703517
not only are these ppl the same exact person there a confirmed crakkker with no gun until they post wallsocket lmao

>>2704804
I'm trying to point out the absurdity of going backwards just a few steps (nations) in group identity but not going all the way (Africa). The question is why don't supposed leftists want white identity go to being part of a single Human Race? Instead they give the same rhetoric as right-wing nationalists and want them to turn back the clock a hundred years.
>>2704819
>Decolonization must be synonymous with socialism then, no?
No, because decolonization has extra cultural connotations, not just economic. Decolonization advocates will literally say the scientific method is bad because European colonizers introduced it. Look up "indigenous ways of knowing" to see what I'm talking about. It's mostly used as a way to sneak in reactionary ethnonationalist thinking into otherwise left leaning groups.

>>2704835

COME TRY ME. I FUCKING DARE YOU.

Any leftist organizations or individuals that isn't in support of a direct antagonism towards racist federal and local apparatuses of the US government ARE FEDERAL AGENTS AND COPS!!!!! Defy them, remove them.

This is how you treat them in person yall!!


https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1qfvyy7/federal_agents_caught_imbedding_their_selves/

>>2704840
you dont have any guns crakkker lmao you not on shit and not in any org /pol/yp lmao

>>2704836
>No, because decolonization has extra cultural connotations, not just economic.
That's not nessecarily a negative, is it? I get the reactionary obscurantism in alot of the marketing around the term "decolonization" but there is some worth in identifying the superstructural elements of colonization that need combatting.
>>2704841
>Any leftist organizations or individuals that isn't in support of a direct antagonism towards racist federal and local apparatuses of the US government ARE FEDERAL AGENTS AND COPS!!
What about conditional support or implied support? Not everyone is in the position to paint a target on themselves. Fedjacketing everyone who isn't going full Dorner can erode a persons strategic acumen.

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>>2704841
this is your appearance crakkker, also imagine taking yourself this fucking seriously actual laughingstock of the board shit lol

>>2704836
Fair points, interesting conversation, but I'm still trying to figure out what it means to 'decolonize'. I've only ever heard it used as a frame of mind and returning to tradition so I don't understand the weaponized meaning, that it can somehow turn a plurality of different cultures and traditions into a political or economic monolith subservient to the ideal of socialism. If the ideal is to serve people then it must appeal to the common good of all without coercion, otherwise it's just another exercise in ideological colonization.

>>2704846
>That's not nessecarily a negative, is it?
Not necessarily all of it is a negative. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't blindly obey a philosophy that doesn't care for achieving communism and actively sabotages it. Just because some things in decolonization are ok doesn't mean we should pointlessly divide the working class by overly emphasizing racial and ethnic differences.
>there is some worth in identifying the superstructural elements of colonization that need combatting.
Why should communist overly focus on colonization though? We should be focusing on all superstructure elements that stand in the way of effective organization. Framing worker reorganization in only one way, decolonization, is missing the forest for the trees.

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>>2704845

Feds trying to use emotional volatility to anger in reaction to perceived threats from enemies to phish for information related to me illegally owning a gun as a felon. I've developed a lot over the years, won't fall for this. I now realize snitches will get you to react in anger as a method. Like i said.. COME FUCKING TRY ME if you are curious about if whether or not I have people and methods around me that will lead to a formidable defense of my safety.

>>not in any org


phishing to see if im in any orgs, organizing and radicalizing people? I've been in multiple organizations, currently am, none of which I'll list to you. You also wont hear about any of the networks within said orgs, and the purposes they serve. I've been to every state, as you idiots know; I'm not knew to this I'm true to this. Pro tip; why the fuck would you not change your wifi communications names when following me across state lines? Did you assume I had no device on me and wouldn't search through wi-fis, or was it deliberately overt in a nod that I can move between states but I would always have an eye on me? I know the lay of the land of leftist organizing spaces, and organizations in every fucking state and beyond; I've never used this website before. I'm here to equip you all with the knowledge that you are going to need in what is about to unfold; Soon I wont be here, and I'll dissipate back into what we call the real world; and while that happens I will continuously see every trick the DHS sends my way. Your shut downs, your attacks, your trickery, your set-ups for character assassinations through electronic and humint means; i've seen it all. It wont work. You could kill me, and it will not matter; I will make sure I live my life in such a manner that the mention of my name will haunt amerikkkan fascists from the grave.


>>Why should communist overly focus on colonization though?


This question is something you must study American colonialism, settler relations to the economic, and the history of whiteness to answer. Right now you don't seem to have a grasp on it. All you hear is "division" but in this position you are reactionary; you are contesting the factual and structural influences of race on material conditions and acting as if prioritizing the most oppressed classes of American society is sabotaging communism. This is the very definition of white reactionary-ism and it is not welcome in US leftism, period.

>>2704882
>no firearms
>no org
>not a felon
>surburboid crakkker
>not on shit and will never do shit lmao
drop the addy and post wallsocket if your really bout that (your not). I also take back what I said about touching grass you should stay inside so you don't make the rest of us look bad

>>2704882
>>2703523
same exact person with the same exact ideology btw

The paranoid delusion is amusing and all but if this exposition is part of a psychotic break then it's not. The internet was a mistake.

>>2704894
its not a psychotic break OP is just your typical anti-social crakkker whose not ever gonna be about that life lol

>>2704896
Heh, I'm just having some fun.

>>2704893

I'll be in oakland in 2 weeks exactly from today. Come on and slide through. You can only find out if someones about it by finding them and trying something. Stop talking, it's time for you to prove you are about it or shut the fuck up because I'm not the one questioning that from anyone. I don't need to talk. My way of pressing you wont happen behind a keyboard.

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>>2704902
no you wont lol and you dont got any guns anyways lol you dont need to talk yet you keep replying lol cuz your not about that life lol your all bark no bite no org no guns. stay mad silly lil crakkker

>>2704896
I'm not sure, but OP's last post looks like they want to date you in Oakland to find out more about you and he feels insulted that you doubted his love for you, which will be self evident in person. I could be wrong.

>>2704905

No i want the idiot to come help us hand out narcan and hot food. We could use some help unloading the van.

>>2704907
You could've said that in your OP and it might've netted a positive result but now you're having a spat and I doubt he will be up for it.

>>2704909

Yeah because I'm sick of reading the all the same rumors drop here as on our IG and other media pages. Some how I'm anti-white, white, antisemitic, self-hating jew, this, that. I'm not used to this much internet use, you all interact with one another like you are engaging in cointelpro. Hardly comrades.

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>>2704907
you should've led with that instead of sealioning and calling everyone you disagree with a wrecker

>>2704882
>it is not welcome in US leftism
Western radlibs are ethnonationalist anti-communist reactionaries sabotaging communism by dividing workers. The ultimate anti-racism is by uniting the working class into one group. Instead you want to reinforce race categorizes and then put your ethnic group on top. You are fascist.

>>2704882
>>2704825
>>2704825
YOU ARE A KHUSRA, A UNLIKABLE WESTERN LEFTIST AND A DORK, your fat ugly, fat and stupid and you won't do anything, revolution if it will come from some intelligent Army officer whose smart enough to work with china and appeal to the masses, khusra's like will piss and whine like the pathetic dorks you are

>>2704919
>t. khusra randi

>>2704916
>>2704914

so what I'm hearing is, that mutual aid and community work is good; but when it's being done by a group of comrades who's main focus is attacking the structures of white supremacy in relation to capital, then it becomes uncomfortable? This is no different than the Israeli who cant even hear the word "palestine" without turning to clear signs of mental illness; that's because the mentality whiteness and zionism creates is essentially a form of mental illness; which again is why the modern settler colonial states LOVE Israel.

Look, I may be forcing my experience, through the lens of my individual life on a lot of you all. It's very well that a lot of you live in completely white areas, and those areas require organizing frameworks outside of my specialty. Approaching white people on the race issue is very hard; but we CAN NOT let socialism become some white rights movement (US anarchism in the 60s 70s, cough cough), we cannot let the colonial social relations continue to reproduce themselves. The main goal is how can you organize in your mostly white areas, in a way that ATTACKS racism. The main FUCKING LEVVI holding up american's capitalist system is racism; you cannot organize the working class in a revolutionary manner if that racism is not attack and made null through an educated white worker who refuses to betray his fellow workers for societal concession and privileges. If you are not willing to address this, then you are a white reactionary and will be treated as such.

>>The ultimate anti-racism is by uniting the working class into one group


which is what white supremacy, privilege and settler colonial relations prevent. Listen, learn, read.

>>2704922
>which is what white supremacy, privilege and settler colonial relations prevent.
Your entire plan is to henpeck people into what exactly? Seems to me you just want light skinned people to ceremonially bow at dark skinned people's feet. And what does this ceremonial and ritualistic reversal of white supremacy and privilege have to do with workers taking over the state and instituting communism? Your entire philosophy is to humiliate the current dominate ethnic group and put yourself on top. Which has nothing to do with uniting the working class to create communism. You are just hoping to use communism's skin to fool enough people into switching out landlords.

>>2703703
>Yes, but cuba wasnt a settler state.
Cuba rapidly transformed into a settler state after the Spanish American war. The richest people in Cuba were American settlers who successfully created a client states in Cuba after the war. The Spanish model of an extractive state didn't survive American victory. Puerto Rico is still an American settler state in which American settlers are the minority that controls the island's wealth.

>>2704922
this what im talking about OP your idea of attacking white supremacy is reposting an NGO libs book and then accusing ppl of some unrelated shit like israel support its just a more verbose leninhat posting, I've spent my entire life as a renter and wage-laborer in nonwhite neighborhoods and am tired of the constant deluge of dipshits on this board demanding I have to follow there exact ideal of the vanguard party that exists in the solely peoples republic of there mindpalace especially when its just rehashed new left talking points pretending to be new.

Fell for the bait lmao

>>2704921
>t. khusra randi

>>2704941
So what ur saying is that ur a Hebrew sage?

>>2704941
Hey randi ke bache, I ask you do any of these groups that you keep praising actually have done something other then bitch and whine in academic

>>2704922 (You)

A lot of the issues today, is from the failures of white radicals to organize white people, to educate them. There is an apparent disconnect between white leftist intellectuals and the white proletariat they nominally seek to organize. This disjuncture cannot be understood merely as leftist tactical error, but rather as a structural positionality within academia. A significant body of white radical practice costantly exhibits what I call vicarious radicalism; the displacement of organizing energy from one's own class-racial formation toward the political struggles of others. This phenomenon operates through several mechanisms -

White radicals often enter Black and Brown organizing spaces under the guise of "showing up and letting them lead," yet this frequently functions as a status seeking behavior within leftist subcultures rather than genuine coalition building. The affective rewards of proximity to "authentic" struggle substitute for the more arduous work of class struggle within one's own community.


In the act of attaching to existing Black led movements, white radicals circumvent the difficult labor of understanding white working-class consciousness on its own terms. They need not interrogate the internal heterogeneity of whiteness, its regional, occupational, and generational fractures, the history of assimilation into whiteness across the varying euro ethnic groups, none of it, because they have outsourced their anti-racism to spaces where racial dynamics appear more transparent to them, where they can ride on the efforts of black organizers while abandoning their own communities.

The white radical's inability to "pass" in blue collar white spaces represents more than personal awkwardness or autism levels; it signals a class-privilege cultural contradiction at the heart of contemporary western leftism.


The generalizing of radical theory within the university has produced a professional-managerial class of activists whose speech patterns, cultural references, and general existence marks them as outsiders in the very spaces they seek to organize. This is not merely aesthetic problems; it represents a structural position within the division of labor that reproduces class distinction even while rhetorically being a group who is vocally opposing it.

When many white radicals do enter true proletarian white spaces, they often carry what we all might recognize as emotional labor expectations; the demand that working-class whites immediately adopt frameworks (intersectionality, white privilege, structural racism, anti-colonial) developed within academic marxist communities far outside of the white working-class's existence; in fact most of these academic hubs are way closer physically to black communities than most poor white ones. This is something that results in a mutual recoil, radicals experiencing "whiteness" as embarrassment and guilt to overcome through "voluntarism", while white workers end up experiencing Communist radicalism as condescension from privileged brats.


When this occurs, there is surely always a vacuum left by failures of communist organizing of the white worker, and this does not remain empty. It is filled by what we might call reactionary counter-organizing; the systematic recruitment of materially deprived whites into white nationalist and proto-fascist movements. White supremacist movements succeed where white leftists fail precisely because they offer ears, eyes, and general recognition rather than condemnation. They validate the lived experience of economic abandonment while providing an explanatory framework (racial antagonism) that, however false, resonates with the material reality of deindustrialization, opioid crisises, and status degradation (white people are losing some of the privileges they were bought out with, check home ownership rates vs their grandparents).

White supremacy does not merely "fool" the white working class. It offers genuine, if partial, material benefits; white leftists are structurally incapable of matching this because they refuse to engage the white working class on terms that acknowledge their specific grievances as whites.


These white radicals seem to have overlooked class suicide, and instead put white guilt at the pinnacle of organizing. That is not what I'm calling for, and I've vehemently clashed and bumped heads with plenty of your bullheaded "anti-racists" within the left. Education on racism and capital cannot mean "teaching" white workers what they should think. It requires what Paulo Freire termed dialogical praxis; starting from the concrete problems of white working-class life (job loss, healthcare, addiction) and working through how racial capitalism produces these conditions, rather than arriving with prefabricated analyses to force down people's throats.

White radical spaces must abandon the moral economy of anti-racism wherein the goal is to demonstrate how militantly anti-racist you are and instead embrace a strategic yet militant anti racism oriented toward actually shifting material power relations. This requires tolerating the discomfort of organizing among those who may hold retrograde views, with the understanding that political transformation emerges through struggle, years of education, not some spreading of your gospel.



https://libcom.org/article/amilcar-cabrals-theory-class-suicide-and-revolutionary-socialism-tom-meisenhelder


tl;dr I am more than aware that people who hold my ideas and conclusions on race, when white, can be at risk for some very horrible praxis when it comes to organizing poor white folk, and in part this is why we are in a situation where it seems like white poor people have been pushed right.

>>2704944

Which groups, and where?

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>>2704947
Any western BIPOC that you fetishize doing anything worthwhile you ugly randi

>>2704949

It's not about specific organized groups; It's about the highest contradictions of capitalism, and class domination being apparent through the lens of settler colonialism in it's relation to the most oppressed. This is the case in the USA. Every modern form of social rupture existing in the U.S.A has occurred in center to this reality. I'm not going to sit here and give someone a basic history lesson; any leftist that's here is more than capable of fact checking. I didn't realize a leftist space would be filled with such racist white boy idiots, I would have changed my langauge and gaslit you all into opposing white supremacy (like i do to people irl) if I knew that. I thought I could code-switch and drop some truthnukes here, but apparently this place is filled with just as many ignorant whiteboys as ol my Circle K job in Wyoming.

>>2704954
How often do you post about anything other than race? If ur the trandi in the pic it looks like your American experience is fairly recent. You should reconsider your effort to reeducate those who are beneath you, it's obviously a futile endeavor.

>>2704945
>These white radicals seem to have overlooked class suicide, and instead put white guilt at the pinnacle of organizing.
I don't think this is just a white radical thing. It seems to me that the whole western "left activist" sphere is an industrial grade guilt factory, an assembly line of shame projection without much force behind it.
>>2704954
Mate, I think most of the flak you're getting is people mistaking your anti-whiteness/white supremacy position for an anti-white people position. Appearing to use the term "white", "whitey' etc as moral budgeons certainly won't help anything.

>>2704937
>demanding I have to follow there exact ideal of the vanguard party
Has OP presented such an ideal? This far it seems like broad strokes and discussion on strategy as opposed to specific tactics or operational structures.

i have uyghur fatigue

>>2704954
So jack shit, well khusra you really did prove what everyone knew about you

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>>2704976
>khursa
?

>>2704954
> I thought I could code-switch and drop some truthnukes here, but apparently this place is filled with just as many ignorant whiteboys as ol my Circle K job in Wyoming.
dear god you must have been insufferable to work with. i bet you had the stereotypical blue hair and face piercing too

>>2704963
>>anti-whiteness/white supremacy position for an anti-white people position

It's not surprising, historically, the reactionary always responds defensively when power is challenged, reducing structural problems to personal gripes and societal divisiveness; even in personal conversations and daily life interactions the reactionary will do this. They haven't done the necessary work of understanding how colonialism, race, and the settler state shaped American capitalism. Their discomfort with race stops them from properly analyzing class struggle in the settler colony context. Ask them this; if Israel went socialist tomorrow, do you think that would end the economic conditions created by settler colonialism? Of course not. You can't fix the material reality of class dispossession inherent in the material conditions settler-colonialism causes by simply instilling a socialist government under that said settler colonial regime. The fact that anyone can seriously call themselves a marxist and make this claim is insane to me.


>>tldr these fools think these issues can be ignored, yet a black community cant even get together to resist police violence without the white working class organizing REACTIONARY forces to counter the CLASS STRUGGLE against violent policing and colonial violence. Immigrants cant even have reformist rights movements without the white society moving towards modernized slave catcher immigration enforcement tactics


And you think, there isn't a neccessary fight against these white reactionary forces? You think it's all personal drama because you have no material analysis of colonialism in the AMERIKKKAN context. These are the exact people I decry as counter-revolutionary here, so it's no surprise they jump in with such high energy in their dismissal of the attack on white supremacy. This does nothing but prove what we say.

>>2704981
>> bet you had the stereotypical blue hair and face piercing too

Far from it. Your discomfort and inability to discuss any issue on race shows you hold allegiances to white supremacy. So in person, someone like that, talking the way you do? It won't go well, so don't say anything you wont say in person online, pussy, otherwise you can go outside and get Deranqued or Kirk'd.

You may imagine the revolution will be built without the white reactionary rising to defend the social order; but that's imagination, anyone who looks around can see a very different picture unfolding within the amerikkkan landscape. A very necessary fight is constantly unfurling before our eyes, and you sweep it under the rug, with an agenda that is not as open as mine.

>>2705007
>t. randi khusra

>>2704978
Khursa is a very inclusive term in my country, it refers to hermaphrodites, transgenders, eunuchs and faggots. I'm using it for the latter.

>>2705009

Please go to LA and show up to the next noise demo in solidarity with ICE captives, and please try to loudly vocalize your white-rights leftism while there, especially if the crowd has masked people and a lot of youth there. I'd love to see another video of a white supremacist getting their shit rocked into a coma.


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