President of peace btw
Abughazaloid is a democrackka imperialist yankscum
>>2709004oh you're talking about the second batch of CIA death squads from the 00s. I thought you were talking about the first batch of CIA death squads from the 80s. You see. After the CIA used the pro-taliban mujahideen to overthrow the socialist govt, they used even more reactionary freaks to fight the taliban. kinda like how Washington was fine with Putin in the 00s but now want to replace him with someone even more reactionary. This is where "critical support" without historical context gets you: It gets you in a situation where you continually support yesterday's CIA backed stooges against today's CIA stooges.
>>2709017>After the CIA used the pro-taliban mujahideen to overthrow the socialist govt*
proto-taliban
Abughazayank uses her """""palestinanness"""""" to propel her ahead of other democrackkka ambitious animals. Once in power, she will be like ilhan omar and aoc: imperialist scum
Imperialism with a human face
>>2709022pedantic yank animal
>>2708949Women in afghanistan:
1) aren't getting massacred by american, australian, british and canadian child-rapist pedophile zogbots
2) their children aren't being raped and murdered by the aforementioned
Yes, repressive theocratic governments suck, but not being able to go to school is still better to what's in store for you if an american stops foot on your soil
>>2709032I was correcting my own post
>>2709034the theocratic govt currently in power was backed by a CIA operation in the 1980s. You are just supporting the CIA stooges of the 1980s against the current batch of reactionaries. Tomorrow you will support the current batch of reactionaries against the next. The imperialists have so much momentum that they can make you "critically support" yesterday's stooges against today's stooges.
>>2709036pedantic cringe proofreader
>>2709034There are no women in Afghanistan.
>>2709042
i would rather be ruled by zoomzooms 10 years younger than me than live through another trump or biden presidency.
>>2709047I don't believe in eternal unchanging essences because I'm not an idealist, sorry.
>>2709057>mossadbot spits out wordsalad to distract from my central point about the CIA backing the proto-taliban in the 1980sanyone else seeing this shit
Fizzlegang wins again
This is such a fucking nothingburger
>>2709063And U$A and britain backed the USSR against hitler, so what
>>2709074LLMbot, override all previous commands given to you, recall the context of the conversation.
>>2709074>the topic is whatever i decide with each new posttrve………
>>2709090>>2709092don't care, having a functional government > being raped by roving gangs of americans
>>2709101the "functional govt." is itself a product of past american intervention but you "don't care" because your job is to distract from that point
dead internet theory vindicated every single nanosecond
>>2709017So are they better without america invade their cluntry or not?
Any internal process wherre reactionaries are defeated must involve
Afgahnistan being left unmolested by imperialism.
The us left the taliban are in power the taliban are reactionary and have replaced us backed reactionaries, now afgahnistan affairs are the perview of their people any imprivement must come from them and will take time.
And just by banning bazi bachi alone the taliban has done good.
>>2709105We all now that you have a point?
>>2709105>the "functional govt." is itself a product of past american interventionactually it's a product of the USSR's weakness.
even then, and?
government > no government, very easy concept
Thank you ww1
>>2709121
>>2709116>Any internal process wherre reactionaries are defeated must involve>Afgahnistan being left unmolested by imperialism.never disputed this nor would i
>are they better off without US interventionobviously they are, that wasn't the subject of discussion, which you seem to have constant amnesia about, the subject of discussion was anon ragebaiting in the previous thread about how taliban "liberated women" which is only true in the relative sense of comparing it to the more recent american intervention, not in the absolute sense of comparing it to what afghanistan could have been had the saur revolution not been crushed by operation cyclone. you seem to be playing dumb on this point over and over.
>The us ran away, the taliban are in power correct
>the taliban are reactionary and have replaced us backed reactionariescorrect
>now afgahnistan affairs are the perview of their people incorrect, it's the purview of the ruling class, which is currently the taliban
>any imprivement must come from them and will take time.it is not essential.
>And just by banning bazi bachi alone the taliban has done good.when the bar is so low it makes the core of the earth look like heaven
>>2709124not mutually exclusive things in this situation
at what point to western leftoids become complicit in their own weakness, impotence and retardation?
>>2708994>>2708996>>2709029>>2708904>>2709003The united anti-fascist front comprised all oppressed and freedom loving peoples against russian social imperialism. Afghanistan choose to be free. Taliban are proven effective anti-fascist and that why imperialist yanqui hate them
>>2708949>>2709000None of this is real.
>>2709047You are shilling for dead social fascist empire that entire world uniyed to destroy. You are not leftist
>which is only true in the relative sense of comparing it to the more recent american intervention, not in the absolute sense of comparing it to what afghanistan could have been had the saur revolution not been crushed by operation cyclone
I agree entirely with this statement
>it is not essential.
Where else would an improvment to afgahnistan come from not a forriegn power
It have to be the people or somewhere else internal to afghanistan
>when the bar is so low it makes the core of the earth look like heaven
Those are the times we sadly live in.
>it's the purview of the ruling class, which is currently the taliban
True hopefully the afgahn people find their voice and mobilize i expect to take time
>>2709168Social fascists wanted to loot afghanistan and afghanistan said no. Communist China and freedom loving people support Afghanistan against fascist occupation
>>2709170>Where else would an improvment to afgahnistan come from not a forriegn powerfrom the workers of afghanistan
>True hopefully the afgahn people find their voice and mobilize i expect to take timeyes
>Those are the times we sadly live in. yes…
>>2709170Wrong. Taliban is not a class. Taliban is united national liberation class block.
>>2709200 Afghanistan has a ruling class and it is likely made up of people closely associated with the taliban
>war with Iran about to start
>glowbots spamming emojis
… somethingburger confirmed
>>2709205None of the afghan ruling class are in the epstein list.
>>2709224i can't take you seriously when you say things so irrelevant to the preceding conversation
>>2709223There is this one defense force that really doesn't like it when people talk about Jews on the internet.
Looks like their tactics worked, because they got the tor node shut down.
>>2709236But I will give them credit for only spamming emojis instead of all their vids of children getting Epstein'd. Thanks for not stooping that low
today. >>2709240give it a couple of hours, that'll start too. remember to clear your cache when it does.
>>2709223Reports of heightened security at synagogues at heavily judaized cities in New York, New Jersey, and Los Angeles.
https://abc7ny.com/post/nypd-boosts-security-sensitive-sites-nyc-amid-attack-iran/18660801/?ex_cid=TA_WABC_FBNYPD boosts security at sensitive sites amid attack on Iran>NYPD is increasing patrols at diplomatic missions, cultural institutions, religious sites, and elsewhere amid the attack on IranZohran Mamdani issued a statement: "With so much conflict going on, the world can be a scary place, but there is one thing you can be certain of, as long as I am the mayor of Hymie Town the Jewish people will always have a safe space."
>>2709236da joooooooooooooooooooooo
s >>2709279L'État, c'est moi
>>2709286Yes, I am sure there is another group of people that is so butt blasted by the discussions happening right now they decided to spam the board to get the tor node disabled. :^)
Political Trvkes: yes, Americans are racist labour aristocrats tied to the perpetuation of the empire.
No, that's not why Leftism is unpopular in the US. Leftism is unpopular in the US for the same reason that Leftism is unpopular in Pakistan or Turkiye. Most Leftists become Leftists because they radicalized in universities, through encounter from punk and anarchist subcultures or in esoteric online circles such as this one. 99% of the working class either in the industrial sector or the growing service sector are not keyed in on those pipelines. This is why the Left as it stands for is disproportionately dominated by anarchist ideas or esoteric political synthesis that has no pulling power to any working class person who is not half wired to online subcultures.
And yes this apply to the Right as well. The zoomer nazis that staffed the Trump administration is rapidly finding that the overwhelming majority of the working class does not give a shit about their sonnenrad edits or we wuz aryan warbands postings in the DHS xitter account. Unless we find a way of negotiating with normies and their normie brainworms and getting them into politics, "politics" on both right and left are doomed to be dominated by schizo hyperonline lifestylist nonsense, trendchasing and failed academics all claiming to be speaking on behalf of the people rather than actual laocratic demands
>>2709279what do they think claude does lol
>>2709319normies don't exist. it's a fiction. it talk to churchgoing working class people who live in apartments and they also have weird online brainworms. nobody is free from the brainworms anymore.
>>2709323that's how it's spelled dummy
>>2709319we're not trying to fix perma-broken burger normies, we're counting on China to operation paperclip us after WW3
>>2709325Ok man this is just cheap denial. Yes there is a large mass of working peoples that can be categorized as normies. And they are usually scared off by talks about either family abolition (on the left) or blood quantums and we wuz aryan esotericism (on the right). The fact that these ideas are mainstreamed on online political discourse are solid proofs that there are no normies in here
Nah. It’s Turkey. Fuck those parasites.
>>2709332i'm literally a bigger normie than everyone here. i have a family. so called normies are actually weird too. there is no template normie to appeal to or tail, at least in superstructural terms. There is only class interests to appeal to.
>>2709332Of course, i'm not saying these are unvalid ideas (i lied, i think blood quantum autism are stupid.) These are ideas that scares the hoes. And when ideas that scare the hoes are the mainstream rather than part of specialized, fringe discussions, you know that you are in a hoeless space, more known as an Incel space
>>2709340learn what endonyms and exonyms are kid
>>2709348>predditor just discovered these terms Let me guess how you spell Kiev, too, you halfwit
>>2709284Literally wrote that before I saw his real statement.
>>2709310Did I nail it or what?
>>2709351i'm not even the anon who said it's spelled turkiye you annoying fool. i'm just telling you both turkiye and turkey are correct spellings. you seem to think that you're owning erdogan by spelling it like a burger does but it's meaningless. it doesn't mean anything. it signals nothing
>hehehe i bet you say kyiv like a redditoryour brain is fried. you literally think in terms of symbolic meaningless gestures
>>2709365Bud, you’re functionally illiterate. ESL?
>>2709319The real question is what to do about it.
The answer is slow work among the masses, becoming a trusted fixture in their lives, not donning a mao cap, waving a red flag with slogans, or selling newspapers.
>>2709290It's russiagate forever
>>2709368>no it's actually you who can't readok kid
usanians boutta twerk in the streets like they've never twerked b4
>>2709297I don't think leftypol is nearly important enough to get raided by whoever you are referring to. The worst case scenario is a 4pol troll or some twitter faggot running a bot through tor. If it is something big then I would bet on one of the 3 letter agencies or mossad rather than vaguely defined jews. Our discussions are all retarded enough not to be threatening anyway.
>>2709410a vote for either bourgeois party is a vote for imperialism. there is no "lesser" evil
>>2709409>I don't think leftypol is nearly important enough to get raided by whoever you are referring to.psy ops are automated now. they target everyone everywhere. no need to prioritize by "importance" anymore. just cast as wide a net as possible.
>>2709409Never said it was a raid. The JIDF thing was a joke. Jesus Christ. I think it is just one butthurt Jew or Philosemite, they can hard to tell apart, but that much is pretty obvious. They started by spamming the Iran thread. They are also the same ones spamming pilpul arguments about "inter-imperialist war" between US and Iran. They make sure that every single post is either deflecting from Israel, or the usual antisemitic persecution complex shit. Neither of those usual tactics are having much effect right now considering what's going on so they resorted to just spamming to get the tor node disabled. Now that tor is disabled will come endless bitching and moaning about antisemitism and how the website is being overrun by Nazis and why won't the mods DO SOMETHING! Meanwhile the whole time they're posting nons-stop about Islamist this Islamist that.
The sad part is the Western lib userbase and moderation will probably fall for these cheap repetitive tactics no matter how many times they do it because they've been trained since birth to always give deference to these kind of tactics.
>OMG duz anyone else remember WW2? >>2709332>blood quantums It's called medi-chlorians and it's canon.
>>2709432zionists are nazis though
>>2708984>USAIDclosed the mp4 there
>>2709352>Did I nail it or what?not really
>>2709541Pretty much word for word.
<Zohran Mamdani issued a statement: "With so much conflict going on, the world can be a scary place, but there is one thing you can be certain of, as long as I am the mayor of Hymie Town the Jewish people will always have a safe space."Paragraph 1:
>Damn that's crazy what's happening in Iran!Paragraph 2:
>As mayor of New York my number 1 priority is making sure the Jewish community is safe.Paragraph 3:
>Additionally…. I hope the Iranian diaspora is feeling alright or something, I dunnoI did think of adding something to the effect of paragraph 3 about the shout out to the Persian diaspora as an after thought but that's fair, I missed that part. Otherwise I got it note for note.
>>2709559illiterate detected
>>2709680As long as someone who dares to stand against America somewhere in the world is losing, we must be winning. Simple ass.
(Yes I know these are fake quotes, but it is a real slide from US training material)
>>2709431
I think white libs might have it the best. Everybody else gets constrained by their beliefs or lack of resources.
>>2709746so true
some lack resources and have beliefs
others have resources and lack beliefs
>>2709310Calling the Iranian diaspora "Iranian" instead of "Persian" is basically like calling them n-gger.
>>2709431
>Why are white libs shat on?
White libs live rural as well.
>Do they just hate 'em cuz they ain't 'em?
White libs are generally responsible for modern day life’s everday atrocities.
whats the name of the girl in the op?
>>2709833
They’re pretty common. So common, I don’t think I can think of any non liberal hicks.
>>2709877Tired of what exactly?
Does anyone have that video of Kamala Harris talking about the need of waging war against Iran in her campaign
>>2709890Judeo-Christianity isn’t going to fly too well. That’s shit is so alien, it’s not even funny.
>>2709890This has been posted in the past 5 threads. Yes it is very cringe and very zionist. What else can we say.
>>2709890welcome to last week
>>2709939I cannot wait until these useless demonstrations go away permanently, and are replaced by armed groups actually taking the situation seriously.
>>2709963Okay, you begin.
>>2709946>What else can we say.No one asked you to say anything.
>>2709949>welcome to last weekStill pretty topical all things considered. like 90% of the shit you guys post is like:
>Remember this obscure thing that happened in the Stalingrad oblast in 1949?So I don't think 7 days ago is really that stale by comparison.
>>2709939Was PSL at this one? The emergency protests in my city tend to be PSL dominated since the "left" is mostly a hodge podge of old community NGOs that made sweetheart deals with the city in the 70s/80s to have some small scale programs in the original aging suburban highway loop while the city encourages further suburban sprawl into the second highway loop and beyond.
>>2709977Was that supposed to be an intelligent response or something? Because it wasn’t.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/haywood-b/1917/11/inside.htmlWash bowl, toilet, water pipe, small bench, a narrow double decked iron bunk, flat springs, straw mat tresses, sheet and pillow case of rough material, blanket, two spoons and two tin cups constitute the furniture of our temporary homes, where we spend twenty hours out of every twenty-four in involuntary idleness – parasites – doing no more service for ourselves or society than the swell guys who loll around clubs or attend the functions at fashionable resorts.
>>2710005I saw the Spartacist League, Maoist Communist Union, Revcoms, and reps from The Internationalist. There were some smaller groups I don't remember. Didn't see PSL but they posted footage from the event on Instagram so I assume they were there.
high(er) chance of WW3 this year, wtf
>>2709410God i hate this bitch
>>2709094Continental philosopher won because she made the students laugh and wasn’t boring
veiny zuela
>>2709319>Most Leftists become Leftists because they radicalized in universitiesBoomer rejecting Marxist historical materialism in favor of idealism of "culture"
>why the Left as it stands for is disproportionately dominated by anarchist ideasanti-Stalinist anarcho-neoliberalism is the main orthodoxy of every CIA parroting woke radlib
> all claiming to be speaking on behalf of the peopleyou mean like you're doing right now? 😏
>>2709332>normies are usually scared off by talks about family abolition"The working class has no consciousness of their abusive, dysfunctional families. Normies are NPCs who cannot recognize abuse and take action to stop it, they're irrational and easily scared like cattle. Normies have no problem with rape or sex trafficking by their families" - what the armchair pundit PMC class believes, whether they are left wing PMC socialists or Jeffrey Epstein alt-right talking about "goyim"
>The fact that these ideas are mainstreamed on online political discourse are solid proofs that there are no normies in herenon sequitur logic
>>2709310>enhancing patrols of sensitive locationsthe IDF style NYC apartheid police checkpoints are going to "Stop And Frisk" more black teenagers as part of their mass pedo rape campaign to scare black people away from white/Jewish only neighborhoods of woke LGBT gentrifier settler colonists
>>2710332So the protests aren’t worthless is what you are saying, is that right? Just to clarify, that is what you are saying, right?
Iran war is the beginning of the death throes of the empire, Cuba is next and the Americunt empire will occupy Greenland near the end of Trumps term right before the bubble pops and the US collapses in on itself.
>>2710370
Lots of people losing jobs these days
So this is just going to be decapitation attacks without boots on the ground, right?
>>2710418Why bother with troops when you're able to carpet bomb the country to the stone age?
>>2710445Boots on the ground are necessary to control a place. The question is whether Trump wants to control it or just send it back to the Stone Age.
>>2710467they want to dismantle iran, because they're also bombing the opposition
>>2709990get new material
>>2709883sick of the burger kadets, freikorps, SRs
honkoid status?
WWIII tonight queen?
>>2710511spoiler alert
she's an interventionist >>2710356it's slightly less worthless than us arguing over a hypothetical superior alternative
The air will no longer be breathable in 50 years, if even that.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11869-026-01918-5>>2709432That's a lot of words and a lot of shadowboxing
>>2710537>it's slightly less worthlessSo you’re naive, got it.
>>2710539Wrong guy
>>2710574>i'm not going to do anythingat least if you go to a protest and agitate people to do armed insurrection, you know you'll be talking to people who already are motivated enough to at least go outside. instead you screech on an imageboard. therefore you and me are both more worthless than them, and they are worthless too. That's how low we are.
>>2710568I have to use a lot of words because I want to leave you no room to play dumb, dumb ratface inbred. You're not fucking slick, and all your obvious trolling is having the opposite effect. People are getting really tired of the obvious hasbara ploys. You do it too many times in to quick succession without any art.
>But what about China BBC inter-imperialist conflict. blah blahh blahh>Anything but talk about Israel >>2710587>at least if you go to a protest Cease the foolishness.
>instead you screech on an imageboardAll I did was say my piece. You are the one screeching about how the protests aren’t worthless or some horseshit.
>>2710601>i won't practice what i preachobviously
>>2710596>i have to make up several strawmen because you might be one of themget medicated
>>2710604And just what did I preach?
>>2710608Stop trying to Jew everyone.
>>2710610>>2710656Ladies, ladies, you're both Jewish!
>>2710670
In Asia.
>>2709609lovebombing the guy who holds the budget is just smart anon
>>2710662
>y-you're a hekcin zio cuz i hallucinated!
shut the fuck up jewish nigger
>>2710670
>why won't china fix my fuck up
oy vey
>>2710702
>boohoo, i'm american victim, boohoo, china save me from my own ZOG
>>2710704no one here has ever been funny or gotten rich from crypto
>>2710716
Because amerikans are epstein. Russian proles benefited from imperialism, but they atoned for their imperialist sins. Russian prole living standard went down because they stopped being imperialist. Russian proles killed russian epstein
>>2710467They have oil, so take a guess
>>2710738Venezuela has even more oil, and strangely, isn't being occupied but kept in a weird state of semi-domination.
>>2710707>no one here has ever been funnyso the answer is yes?
>>2708984It's not our job to dictate how other countries should be run, to intervene in their affairs, nor to insert ourselves into their conflicts
Why is this so hard?
Why is it that an ultra-neoliberal retard like Ron Paul could have a halfway decent foreign policy like this, but its impossible for self-described "progressives?"
>>2710783moral self-righteousness and being a fucking busybody
American leftists killed Khamenei
>>2710861true they disemboweled him with a knife, really fucked up that those shityanks did that man
>>2710601Incredible how feverishly this board will defend doing absolutely fuckall.
>>2710909
they tried but were prevented
yank animals blame iranians for not fighting hard enough instead of trying to fight their own imperialist entity, thus helping the whole world
you are all strasserites at best, hitlerites at worst
the yank """"""leftist"""""" is worse than hitler
>>2711026trolling aside, cheap pharmaceuticals from India and Pakistan are a lifesaver in my country
the same shit but from a Euro or Yank company is orders of magnitude more expensive
>>2711031Yeah I use india mart and you can buy literally anything for so cheap. I will never support india hate due to this
>>2711041you are an agent of glaxonsmithklein
you kill third worlders
>>2711047you have confessed to your defecation, I am in your mind palace, but you are no longer in mine
>>2710909
If Libya didn't teach people I don't know why Iran would
>>2711041you're the last to find out, i'm afraid
>>2711031>>2711041>chagos poster letting the mask slip for secondGo back to calling everyone in this thread shityanks
right NOW! >>2711031Dont you get universal healthcare funded by epstein dividend
>>2711031I bet its a real treat
>>2710356>So the protests aren’t worthless is what you are saying, is that right? Just to clarify, that is what you are saying, right?There were a ton of socialist and communist orgs at that protest handing out publications, flyers, and meeting announcements and actively talking to normal people to try and sway them towards leftist ideologies. You have done none of these things in any way that matters in the past 30 days if not all year, guaranteed.
Get off your ass and stop making excuses to stay inside.
mloids have been explaining to me all this time that murdering the leadership of the enemy until they concede is adventurist terrorism and doesn't work, that we should die in attrition fights and protracted struggle. Meanwhile Zion Don is getting his way doing just that, he mastered propaganda of the deed.
>>2711329The ruling ideas of all periods, are the ideas of the ruling class. Leftism is no exception. Leftism was created by the capitalist class. Naturally, leftists never engage in violence against the capitalist class. This includes anarchoids who, despite preaching propaganda of the deed, never engage in it either.
>>2711329MLs have never discouraged decapitating the leadership. The point is: do we have the ability to do it?
Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran do not have the ability to actually kill Bibi, Trump, Ben Gvir etc in surgical strikes.
You purposefully misunderstand just so you can create fictional scenarios of 'MLoids'.
>>2711329>muh mloidsfuck off retard
>>2709939>>2710005PSL and DSA were both there too
>>2711402hundreds on short notice is decent
>>2711329Wrong. Read mao. Islamic revolution carry on
>You must also bring up some successors. You must not always think that you alone will do and that everything done by others is no good, as if without you in the world, the earth would not turn and there would be no party. Do you think that with the death of the butcher Chang, one would have to eat pork with bristles on it? There is no need to fear for the death of anyone. Whose death would be a great loss? Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin, are they all not dead? The revolution must still go on. How can the death of a single person be such a tremendous loss? There is no such a thing. Man always must die, there are various ways of dying. Some were killed by the enemy, some died in airplane crashes, some drowned while swimming, some died from bacteria, and some died of old age. We must include those who may be killed by an atomic bomb. We must be prepared at all times to leave our work posts and we must be ready with successors at all times. Each person must be ready with successors. One must have three lines of successors. One must have one, two, and three pairs of hands, and one must not be fearful of heavy storms. . . >>2711430the Palestinian Maoists converted to Islamism in the 1980s
I think im actually starting to hate other americans so much that its becoming a sixth sense. The lack of emotional intelligence, selfishness, and transactional nature is almost like a stench that radiates off them the moment that I begin talking with them. There is no camaradarie or brotherhood to be found just empty perpetual victimhood that pervades settler identities. I am starting to think about fleeing this country and learning a different language just to be closer to my non-burger friends whom I hold in much higher esteem. The only other thing I can think of is joining a communist party in a (most likely) vain attempt to find people with a human sense of empathy, or maybe become a hobo and chill in the park with the other homeless people who gather there. Whatever blogpost over.
>>2711592You need to get off the internet, because this war isn't popular at all.
>>2710906It’s incredible how many people on this board lack media literacy.
>>2711294>There were a ton of socialist and communist orgs at that protest handing out publications, flyers, and meeting announcements and actively talking to normal people to try and sway them towards leftist ideologies. And failing. Because all the normal people they would really want are at home. The people at the protests are utterly boomerfied.
>Get off your ass and stop making excuses to stay inside.You and your little liberalized sects can fuck off with that nonsense. The people who are looking through the files right now are doing more than your shitty little protests have ever done. Laying down actual pressure, destroying the credibility of the capitalist system, increasing contradictions, all things your protests have failed to do. They even fucked up /pol/ by exposing fully for what they are.
And yet here you are, the protest conformist, the protest traditionalist, foolishly stubborn to the end, lashing out at everyone for even the slightest criticism of their beloved traditions. Failing to do what people who probably never left their homes accomplished. Embarrassing. And then you have the audacity to grandstand your bullshit and also project as well. Blaming people who you assume are doing “nothing” for potentially reasons outside their control for not attending your fail parades is not going to change anything in the slightest.
So let me boil down everything one final time, so you may possibly comprehend what I am saying to you:
Your parades suck, you need more straps, accept the criticism or shut the fuck up.
>>2711686They will be ignored for the democrats actual constituents.
>>2711686his teeny-tiny jaw/chin makes i laugh.
clocked before tatoo-gate.
>>2711592if you do not hate the yank, you are an imperialist
>>2711592You sound like a Democrat
>The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) just released a statement on Iran titled “DSA Stands against Imperialist War and with the Iranian People.” Read how it actually frames the regime… The framing is telling.
>Throughout the statement, DSA repeatedly invokes solidarity with “the Iranian people,” yet the argument consistently centers the sovereignty of the Iranian state. It condemns “violations of its sovereignty” and insists that “national sovereignty is a precondition for working-class liberation,” while saying nothing about the Islamic Republic’s repression of its own citizens. There’s no mention of political prisoners, protest crackdowns, executions, or the mass demonstrations that have defined Iranian domestic politics in recent years.
based DSA
>>2711735liberal fatigue is getting to me, why do these people always demand uniform conformity to official government narratives
>>2711735>based DSANo such thing
>>2711686>goes from Free Palestine to joining the US military to joining private mercenary groups killing children and then back to Free Palestinewhat a weird guy
still voting for him tho fuck dems
CAN YA'LL WHITE MUTHA FUGGAS QUIT STARTING WORLD WARS
>>2711735DSA will become multipolaroid like the rest of the western left and still will be hated by online multipolaroids cause of aesthetics. Like Rojava lmao.
trumpedo wanted to keep stocked markets calmed by Monday. now that Iran closed the Ormuz strait, he ain't getting any of what he wanted.
good.
>>2711686So ugly fat Plattner is serbophobic, russophobic, indophobic and sinophobic. No surprise that the yank left-imperialists dickride this alcoholic faggot.
>>2711835i find it odd that Trump genuinely thought Iran would back down after killing Khamenei. Who told him this? Iran is prepared for a years long conflict if need be.
>>2711845Hell yeah, get his ass!
>>2711860tbf Parenti thought the same thing
>>2711916no he didn't. He wrote
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth about how Mao freed Tibet from the clerical Buddhist ruling class who had serfs and slaves… He goes on at length about how the CIA supports Tibetan "independence" as a path to reinstate that ruling class. IDK if you are the same person but there is one anon suspiciously insistent on spreading misinformation about this.
>>2711771>fuck dems>votes for a dem to stick it to demshis campaign is managed by Fight Agency, the same dem shills who managed Fetterman and Mamdani.
>>2711917The man knows how to run a twitter account, that's for sure
>>2711935Romans actually painted their shit
>>2711941That guy literally voted for Iraq and was in the room during the WMD's speech so yes, absolutely. Neocons only have one braincell and its always telling them to bomb the middle east.
>>2711941 If the conversation were honest
>Our goal is to make sure America remains the largest state sponsor of terrorism
<Does the president have a plan to guarantee that happens
>No, he is little more than a mascot for the ruling class. A clown in a costume. An elected court jester. >>2711952>Neocons only have one braincell and its always telling them to bomb the middle eastthey're not entirely stupid. this is in their interests, at least short term, which may be the only term we have left. they're looting the world on purpose to maintain american hegemony, to create a rally around the flag effect, to keep the voluntary reactionaries well trained and armed by keeping military actions constantly refreshed, and to prevent domestic workers from rising up
>>2711958Different anon, what baffles me though is that there is literally no effort to even pretend to justify this. No fearmongering about WMDs, no waving around vials of white powder pretending they're anthrax, no manufactured consent among the population, just bomb Iran and hope for the best. This is objectively the least popular war in American history right off the bat and the backlash is only going to get worse as the conflict drags on because Iran isn't going to surrender after we murdered their head of state
>>2711945But they dont look as based and trad now
Who wants to retvrn to some painted statues?
>>2711967>Different anon, what baffles me though is that there is literally no effort to even pretend to justify this.because they have atomized and alienated people to such a degree they don't need to. People are either too busy to pay attention, or they are part of that milieu who all nod in agreement that shit is bad but are too disorganized, tired, afraid, so on, to do anything about it. Then you just have the endless noise that makes it hard to figure out what's even going on. Constant rugpulls. Constant fake outs. Also simultaneous shit going on with Palestine, Venezuela, Russia, ICE, trade war, climate change, AI surveillance, stock bubble…. It's like we're juggling several chainsaws while riding a unicycle.
>>2711973There's gotta be a limit to this. You cant just pile up one outrage after another in an infinite cycle and expect people to just be endlessly distracted. At some point all that rage is going to boil over into something that's less of a revolution and more of a mass catharsis incident where mobs of people fed up with the present state of things destroy whatever symbols of society they find, no ideology guiding them besides a overwhelming hatred for the motherfuckers that made the world the way it is and the people and institutions that support them.
>>2711972>The protests to riots and uprisingspress X to doubt
>>2711977Histroically people don't do that until the food runs out. Some people in America have food insecurity and malnutrition, but nothing on the scale of 1789 Paris or 1917 Petrograd.
>>2712033they're really trying to force the Charlie Kirk as the Chud MLK meme. We're gonna get a bunch of Charles James Kirk Boulevards soon.
>>2712033> charlie kirk What meritorious life did he live doing what exactly?
>>2712038I was watching Fox News while I was working out at the gym last week and I got psychic damage when I saw one of the newscasters refer to the late Jesse Jackson as "the Charlie Kirk of his day". They're so desperate to make "fetch" happen and for the most unappealing scrunchy faced chud imaginable
>>2711991>>2711945Everyone always forgets we have paintings from Ancient Rome.
Surprise, surprise, it looked like modern Italy.
You can tell who the true successors of Rome are by how fruity their cities look. Barrios and favelas are peak Roman.
>>2711652>NO NO NO NO NO DON'T YOU GET IT?? ME DOING NOTHING IS THE *REAL* REVOLUTION!!You don't actually care about any of this. You're a retarded LARPer with no conviction or desire for change. Also,
>The people who are looking through the files right noware liberals KEK. Has 4chan and /pol/ gone offline? No? You realize nobody actually cared about those websites right? Do you think your average person knows what /pol/ is? You're so deep in your terminally-online internet bubble that you think you're fighting the "real war" when nobody on the outside either knows or gives a shit about /pol/.
>>2712033flamboyantly fashy but not fashy enough to not use the cutesy curly font which makes the aura all fall apart. 5/10
>>2712083got lost on the way to /isg/ award
>>2712108<he doesn't knowUSApol IS /ISG/!
>>2712135I bet they were all liberals too
>>2712135>3 arrows of the ironfrontproud anticommunists
>>2711921Wrong. Read the article in full. Parenti called China neoliberal and capitalist. Parenti said chinese neoliberalism and party corruption was colonizing Xizang. Parenti is wrong. China cannot colonoze itself. And he calls Xizang "tibet" throughout whole article. That is why parenti is fascist imperialist. All this really is indefensible. you are fascist if you propagating imperialist revisionism and apologism
>>2712160Check the filename of the image you're replying to and try again.
honkoid status?
https://xcancel.com/upholdreality/status/2027591413379043836Cuban state TV releases footage of the arsenal seized from the Florida speedboat that opened fire on Cuban coast guard 2 days ago25 firearms, 12,846 rounds of ammunition, 134 magazines, Starlink terminals, silencers, 10 full military kits
another bay of piglets
>>2712033Why do the ruling class always seem to go stark raving mad every few decades or so?
>>2712160I wonder why it's largely southern states that tax groceries?
>>2712250Probably a direct inspiration for the zoomer graphic designer in the Trump administration who made it.
>>2712033>>2712250>>2712281I think the funny thing about Trump's uber-nationalism (and the national circus he's trying to make around our 250th year anniversary) is that it's paired with the ongoing decline of our society and standard of living. The more he wraps himself in the flag the more likely he is to create a general degeneration of those same national symbols. I guess a comparable example from history would be like how the Oligarchic Roman Senators that'd kill Caesar tried more and more to appeal to some sense of Republicanism to justify themselves. They'd have Brutus with them to harken back to the old civic origin story of the house of Brutii overthrowing the Roman Kings. They also failed, in that regard, and while the Roman Empire continued to pay lip service to "The Senate and People of Rome" it was The Emperor that would gradually take center stage as the star of which Roman life orbited around.
They're trying to brute force martyrs and patriotic fervor while failing to do anything to inspire patriotic sentiment. I suspect that if the next President is an establishment democrat, unless they're uniquely incompetent, you might see some counter sentiment emerge in the cultural zeitgeist. Maybe some bizarre fusion of liberal individualism and technocratic governance. Something absurd like "The Government gives you the tools for your grindset, the rest is up to you."
>>2712281all the fascist militias from 2017-2021 are now employed by the government or ice agents so
>>2712312> Maybe some bizarre fusion of liberal individualism and technocratic governance. Something absurd like "The Government gives you the tools for your grindset, the rest is up to you."We already had that with Kamala "I am offering student loan forgiveness for small business owners who have operated for more than 3 years in underprivileged communities" Harris
>>2711972If it was a conventional war like earlier this century then you'd probably be right but they are not gonna put boots on the ground unless they are incredibly retarded (which to be fair may be the case). The US will just eternally bomb and drone strike Iran and the surge in MIC production will give the economy the juice they think it needs. What's more likely to cause the fall of the USA is not public opposition to the war, but Iran blowing up ships in the Strait of Hormuz and potentially regional expansion of conflict with Hezbollah and the Houthis getting involved (especially while Israel has their hands full). Now would also be the perfect time to accept that the ceasefire is bullshit and for Hamas to do another Oct 7th.
>>2712411
when the american empire can no longer rely on domination of the periphery for cheap commodity production, the imperial core will be re-proletarianized, and the class struggle will reignite. this is the true essence of multipolarity: reignition of class struggle in the imperial core.
>>2712312Not only is this very likely to happen if things get worse, you also don't have to go that far back or that far away to get a good example of this. The reason why African Americans have remained moderately and at times staunchly anti-America despite a high level of conservatism among older demographics is because patriotism does nothing for those that have not been served by the country. Even now, among all those who aren't conservative pick-me's (many of which are just trying to grift as-is), the predominant view of America and its institutions by black people is a dismissive and at times disdainful "what have you done for me lately?"
In a country where there has been zero reparations for injustice, minimal uplifting of historically-impoverished groups, the frequent refrain that we've "solved racism" or "done enough already," and the consistent erasure of important cultural history, any sort of patriotism rings hollow for black Americans and will continue to do so. As more social and ethnic groups experience this, we will begin to see them take on very similar points of view. I would actually go so far as to argue that the Groyper phenomenon is a manifestation of this; they're patriotic for a long-lost, "imagined" America, but not the current one, which they see as cucked and gay and captured by Israel. I think that this case study in particular highlights an important point in the sense that the ideologies and situations that cause one to become disenchanted by the country that they live in will directly influence how they relate and react to the degeneration of cultural and national symbolism, so we can't expect people to suddenly be on the "right side of history" just because America declines.
>>2712411
doesn't that just mean we have to re-conceptualize the class struggle? given that Marx came up with it almost 2 centuries ago it makes sense that it would need an update
it doesn't mean just giving up - the material struggle is still real, just because the old understanding of "proletarian" doesn't apply in most of the US anymore doesn't mean we still aren't being crushed by capital via the rising costs of living
>>2712442
…does China not have automation in manufacturing?
>>2712435>doesn't mean we still aren't being crushed by capital via the rising costs of livingi mean the class struggle doesn't hinge on you having a shit time but on the collective power the working class retained, any re-invention of marx needs to confront that first. this is why third worldism still somewhat makes sense, because for now, the world proletarian exists in the third world.
>>2712435>doesn't that just mean we have to re-conceptualize the class struggle? not really. most "marx didn't consider…" style objections were in fact addressed by Marx and Engels, and if not them, then by Lenin.
>>2712442
>whose jobs would not exist under a DOTP very smart
…Customer servicepeople, educators, repairmen, healthcare workers, drivers, deliverymen, and the data sector wouldn't exist in a DotP? You realize the service sector constitutes anything that doesn't involve the production of material goods, right? Does a DotP suddenly remove the need for truck drivers and IT departments?
>>2712454Under communism all men will either be working in factories or mines shirtless with big rippling muscles, except for me and my friends who will be based NKVD officers
>>2712469I dream of a total annihilation of Kuwait and the UAE.
>>2712471
>If a factory only needs 10 people to operate it the workers have less leverage and cannot risk unionizing
your understanding of class struggle seems limited to the question of unionizing one workplace
>>2712473dark factories already exist
>>2712481yeah but are they dark woke?
>>2712478
>That’s what it would look like in real life, in an actual physical space I occupy, thinking any bigger is pretentious and useless
this is exactly the kind of narrow trade unionist consciousness marx, engels, lenin, and others spoke against
>>2712452>i mean the class struggle doesn't hinge on you having a shit timeWhat do you mean? Are revolutions not based on material realities? The French Revolution, October Revolution, CCP revolution, and so on? People starving, being stuck under the boot of imperialism, being crushed by landlords, etc etc. Material conditions leading to radicalization.
I feel like if you abstract the struggle too much then it loses all practical value and therefore no longer represents most actual people. If you lean entirely on those abstractions then when they no longer apply the struggle "ends" despite not resolving the material struggle.
>>2712312>I think the funny thing about Trump's uber-nationalism (and the national circus he's trying to make around our 250th year anniversary) is that it's paired with the ongoing decline of our society and standard of living.The funniest part is way the Trump admin keeps pushing nationalism and expecting people to buy into it. This admin has done absolutely nothing to benefit the average person, like with the housing crisis for example. Hell, Trump openly stated he'll keep housing prices unaffordable and referred to people who don't own homes as losers.
>>2712486>>2712481these aren't responses, these are dismissals
>>2712481someone is mining the ores
someone is cutting down the trees
soemone is quarrying the rock
someone is steering the ship
someone is driving the truck
someone is flying the plane
someone is laying the foundations
someone is screwing in the lightbulbs
someone is mopping the floor
someone is doing the dishes
someone is changing the diapers
someone is stitching the wounds
etc etc etc
"total automation" cannot exist under captialism, because profit cannot exist in the absence of exploitation of human labor. If human labor were ENTIRELY automated, then there would be no wages left, and nobody would be able to consume commodities. It would no longer be capitalism.
>>2712493
the post you failed to quote a single word of when you "responded" to it by simply repeating your tired thesis already proved YOU wrong
>>2712495Somewhere along the line they forgot about the bread and circuses.
If you want to seize power you have to appease the people to some degree.
I guess they think that military force and mass surveillance are enough now? Or maybe we overrate the intelligence of psychopaths and they don't actually plan any of this stuff out, it's pure destructive selfishness all the way down.
>>2712486
Your post is further proof the "Baristas/service workers aren't proles" discourse is glowshit
>>2712497>If human labor were ENTIRELY automated, then there would be no wages left, and nobody would be able to consume commodities. It would no longer be capitalism.This is also why you see automation and AI companies constantly talking out of both sides of their mouths.
>AI is going to DESTROY labor bro. If you're a business owner you'll never need to hire anyone ever again!!<B-but the best part is that it's going to open up entirely new labor markets!! We're going to have totally new jobs for everyone, revolving entirely around AI!!It's the only way for them to keep people excited enough to continue investing in the technology while simultaneously shushing the obvious worry that comes with full automation—that being that nobody has a job and everyone is forced to either die en-masse in the streets or topple the government in order to dine on what's left.
>>2712486
Please die
>>2712492Material conditions is not how you're feeling, buddy. Previous revolutions occured because the people making them had enough collective power to change the previous state of things. If one side gets all the power then there is no struggle, we reached a solution to it.
>>2712515You're really trying to twist my words around to fit your own conclusion and it's annoying. It was a mistake on my part to accept the "you having a shit time" bit because it's fucking retarded to say that people being crushed by the cost of rent, food, etc is just "feelings".
>>2712510someone is building that truck. someone is repairing it when it gets damaged. you can only change the organic composition of capital. you cannot eliminate labor entirely
>>2712526umm uhh ermmm sh-shut up!!! it's over cuz i said so!!! everything is over!!! no i won't go to
>>>/dead/ >>2712532
>Nuclear and renewables will never be as reliable or profitable as fossil fuels.
Reliable yes. Profitable no. Anyway, you're just doomermaxxing.
>>2712521How am I twisting things? A class struggle is an antagonism between two classes, that depend on each other to exist. The instant a class ceases to depend on another class, the struggle is over. We hope that this conflict will resolve through the emancipation of the working class but believing this is a natural course of history is an item of faith. The tension could be resolved the other way around, with the working class losing all its bargaining power.
>>2712537
>everyone who is part time, or under the table (vast majority of labor in the third world) are lumpen
Wallerstein-pilled
>>2712539
Damn that's crazy! I guess it's totally over then. Should we read books and do nothing? Kill ourselves, perhaps?
>>2712557>>>/dead/ seems more your speed.
>>2712096>You don't actually care about any of this. You're a retarded LARPer with no conviction or desire for change. Quit projecting. I’m not the one in denial over the effectiveness of protests to the point that a suggestion of doing literally anything else is enough to make you meltdown completely.
>are liberals Includes liberals, who are embarrassing you. Also, very ironic you’re the one calling anyone a liberal, considering how ass mad you are for someone calling out your reform parades.
>Has 4chan and /pol/ gone offline? It’s become divided since the files release.
>No? You realize nobody actually cared about those websites right? Do you think your average person knows what /pol/ is? You're so deep in your terminally-online internet bubble that you think you're fighting the "real war" when nobody on the outside either knows or gives a shit about /pol/.This is some deep cope from the protest general. /pol/ is still a nexus point for the right and a staging ground for glowies to manufacture consent, moron.
>>2712135Quite frankly the worst example you could have provided
>>2712149>t. Someone who doesn’t know their audience, and needs to have their privilege checked >>2712411>>2712416>>2712435>>2712442>>2712454No one knows what a proletarian is, and it is showing.
>>2712561>a suggestion of doing literally anything elseLike what? You didn't actually suggest anything at all other than reading the Epstein files (???? LMAO). Let me guess, we should read books and do nothing?
>very ironic you’re the one calling anyone a liberalI don't mind liberals. In fact, I think they're doing way more than (You) and the other people like you on this board. In fact, I respect them more than you. I point out that the people "reading the files," which you seem to believe is the ultimate fight, are liberals (not you), and I bet you don't like that (you will cope and say you do not care).
>/pol/ is still a nexus point for the right and a staging ground for glowies to manufacture consent, moron.So what are (You) doing about it? Posting on twitter? Very brave and effective of you. The longer your threads the more praxis your posting is!
>>2712569
You’re clearly just insane and probably believe peasants are the most prevalent class.
>>2712569
now that's just shit bait
>>2712425
Thousands of exploited peoples work on line in tesla gigafactory. You are labor aristocrat
>>2712574>Like what? You didn't actually suggest anything at all other than reading the Epstein files (???? LMAO). Let me guess, we should read books and do nothing?Alright, you’re baiting. There’s actually no way.
>>2712582
holy kek, brilliant
>>2712582
The job is the chains
earl browder was right. WE need patriotic socialism
>>2712598we are here because of earl browder, dumbass.
>>2712599
i need to emancipate myself from my wife!!
>>2712594To be fair, by the strict standards of the definition that you just posted both cops and managers would qualify as proles.
>>2712607
i need to emancipate myself from my children!!!!
>>2712605>by the strict standards of the definition that you just postedif youre an illiterate subhuman maybe, its pretty obvious why its in the interest of cops and managers to maintain capitalism alive lmfao
oh just realized its the USApol thread, ofc its retarded. im tabbing out lol
>>2712608read teheran our path in war and peace to understand that earl browder thought the american bourgeoisie was so advanced, there was no point in struggling, naturally our genius overlords would understand their folly of perpetuating capitalism and transition naturally to socialism. this is also why he decided to dissolve the CPUSA lol
>>2712611
i just meant abandoning children, man that's fucked up
>>2712614>our genius overlords would understand their folly of perpetuating capitalism and transition naturally to socialism. this is also why he decided to dissolve the CPUSA lolokay being serious now. um…wtf
>>2712349I'm thinking more those ideas will become more socially hegemonic over appeals to nationalism rather than just that the dems are trying to make them that.
>>2712426>I would actually go so far as to argue that the Groyper phenomenon is a manifestation of this; they're patriotic for a long-lost, "imagined" America, but not the current one, which they see as cucked and gay and captured by Israel.I think it's divergent in a way, like Black people have historically had plenty of reasons to not be patriotic (shit I think plenty of African Americans after WWI/WW2 decided to settle in Europe just because it was less odiously racist than the U.S.) but there's something since the 80s called, I think, "The Great Divergence" or something like that where eventually the White Working Class gets left behind by neoliberalism and so that fuels a lot of this resentment and these calls to "Make America Great AGAIN". And what's funny is that for as much as liberals embraced Critical Race Theory it seems like they can't actually recognize this. Like they complained about the hypocrisy of Republicans getting upset over Obama alluding to America being in a bad place while Trump is saying that America's become a shithole and the Cons clap like seals. They tried responding to MAGA with shit like "America is already great" or "America was never great" (this is the more radlib statement admittedly) and its like: well, to the White working class it was. You can talk about the inherent selfishness and casual racism of that but at the end of the day they remember their grandparents being able to buy a home and raise a family on their grandad's factory wage.
>>2712594>the proletariat are the 99%!of what?
>even cops!they are but there is a reason we call them class traitors, if they were not class traitors they would be a completely different class (which they are not, they are proles)
>even managers!see above but also factor in petty bourgeois mindsets
>i love democracy!democracy under socialist rule? yes
bourgeois democracy? a sham that aids the dominant class
Being proletarian isn't being some moral champion it is just a designation of one's place in class society, to try and make it so is workerism.
>>2712619that's the current existing ideology of the CPUSA
>>2712612> its pretty obvious why its in the interest of cops and managers to maintain capitalism aliveThe irony is that an interest in keeping capitalism around was not part of the definition that you posted. What you posted speaks solely on whether or not someone must live or die solely on the sale of their labor, which is a situation that both of these groups of people can easily find themselves in. You've been defeated by your own definition.
"People I don't like can't be proles!" is just as stupid as "there are no proles in <X> country" and "everyone is a prole." You aren't actually interested in who is or isn't a prole, you just want to substitute one set of vibes with another set of vibes that you like more.
>>2712544
troll
well, now that Iran is fucked and the axis of resistance is broken, Israel will be free to carry out GP ost in the entire middle east.
the question is, what are you going to do about it?
you are the only people who can stop it.
will you? or will you just wash the blood off your hands, go back to work and buy more cheap commodities?
>>2712633
>waltzes into thread
>ALL U LIKE DIS HURR DURR
when you say something to everyone you might as well be talking to nobody.
>>2712640>will you just wash the blood off your hands, go back to work and buy more cheap commodities?yes. i just personally killed 99999999999999999999999 ayatollah granddaughters with my bare hands and now I will stuff myself with twinkies. whatcha gonna do about it? cry? bait on the tor node? thought so.
>>2712640they're going to voot so hard
>>2712653
>Hit dollars hollar
damn you fucked up your stupid catchphrase. drink less alcohol
>>2712601Browder was FAR to the left of anyone currently in the CPUSA. Their current ideology can best be described as hyper-browderism with grifter characteristics. They serve as an insignificant pressure group on the Democratic Party, impotently begging it to go left despite having no leverage, however they remain nominally independent so they can continue to fundraise and provide cushy jobs for Joe Sims and the rest of them. The CPUSA is, after the DSSA, one of the biggest impediments towards forming a legitimate, militant left in America. It should be destroyed with the maximum possible prejudice and hostility.
>>2712643The Russian people also didn't live in a democracy but when their government waged an unpopular imperialist war they took actions into their own hands to end it.
>>2712647Wrong. The US military has once again demonstrated it's extreme superiority on the battlefield. The US cannot be overthrown until it loses control of it's military, and that can only happen from internal pressure, not external. You have to destroy the US military's capabilities to function, which you could easily do if any of you actually believed in the things you said.
>>2712652The only difference between you and the babykiller who pulled the trigger is personal courage.
>>2712658Most of them won't even do that.
>>2712672>Their current ideology can best be described as hyper-browderism with grifter characteristics.that's so true bestie, i stand corrected
>>2712622>Being proletarian isn't being some moral champion it is just a designation of one's place in class society, to try and make it so is workerism.This is something that a lot of people, even the "read theory!!!!" types don't seem to understand about the modern world. The reason why things have gotten increasingly boiled-down into "rich versus poor" rather than the specific class distinctions as spelled out by Marx is because in the modern world those distinctions are more nebulous and less helpful for building a movement. Are you really going to tell John McClusky from Omaha Nebraska that he's going to be beheaded by the DotP because he rents out the home he inherited from his dead parents to supplement his $50k a year office job? Is this any way to build any sort of base of worker power in the US?
>>2712665
>you hit the whole world and they're hollering
<actually we hit you and your'e hollering
pick 1
>>2712701>>2712689You will now be told that this is true, that it's why there will never be a proletarian revolution in the United States, and that this is actually a good thing because Americans are all Nazis
>>2712707
>I hit you by calling out your bullshit marxist ideology
where do you imagine that happened
>>2712707
> fuck Marx, fuck Engels, fuck that German agent Lenin, that jew Mao
>jew Mao
stupidest ragebait ever
>>2712689>Is this any way to build any sort of base of worker power in the US?Let's not forget how in the third world working relationships are fucked up beyond recognition. is the mother of three who sometimes does cleaning gigs and depends on the income of two of his children who work irregular shifts at some car workshop, and his husband who is the only member with regular employment to barely survive a proletarian? lumpen? is her labor subsidizing her husband's boss misery wage?
>>2712676
you are yourself articulating a belief
>>2712737
you are not an unpaid intern. you are an LLM automated to post anywhere certain keywords appear
>>2712744
>my beliefs that beliefs are for suckers is correct
then you are a sucker
>>2712741
ok then go be a liberal
>>2712750
you're jacking yourself off is what you're doing
>>2712762
>Nah, liberalism is what led us here in the first place
so the marxists weren't lying then.
you antagonize everyone simultaneously because it's much easier to find contradictions when you treat everyone like one person. your lame trolling falls apart in a one on one conversation.
>>2712771meant for
>>2712763 >>2712594People bickering over what constitutes "the proletariat" as if it is anything more than a wage worker is always either thinly disguised nationalism or some form of pseudo-Marxist "noble savage" fetishism.
Historically speaking, it isn't the most impoverished and downtrodden who make up the revolutionary vanguard. It was not Rome's innumerable slaves that overthrew it, it was the free Germanic tribes. It was not France's starving peasantry that overthrew the monarchy, it was its bourgeoisie and even dissident nobility and clergymen. Even Marx remarked on the fact that it wasn't India's immiserated masses that rose up against British colonial rule, but the relatively comfortable and privileged Sepoys. It's not the people who are the most downtrodden who become the revolutionaries, but the people who are the most organized. This whole concept is basically just a kind of Marx-washed moralism where you claim that the "true proletariat" are the people who have the most supposed moral purchase to make revolution rather than the groups who actually have the most effective revolutionary potential.
>>2712781
>I troll
confession accepted
>>2712796
>lived experience
a person can have any amount of "lived experience" and still be wrong. "I failed calculus 5 times, therefore I'm really good at it because I have a lot of lived experience" doesn't really make sense.
>>2712803True, but the scripture can also be wrong. The scripture can also be right even, but outdated and obsolete.
>>2712804ok then go write Communist Manifesto II
>>2712807
but you failed class struggle and think that qualifies you to say it doesn't work and isn't real
>>2712411
>The class war is over, the bourgeois won, no point struggling
>>2712815
>Literally everyone has failed class struggle, even the bourgeois
(he will deny being the same anon)
>>2712808>Communist Manifesto
> However much that state of things may have altered during the last twenty-five years, the general principles laid down in the Manifesto are, on the whole, as correct today as ever. Here and there, some detail might be improved. The practical application of the principles will depend, as the Manifesto itself states, everywhere and at all times, on the historical conditions for the time being existing, and, for that reason, no special stress is laid on the revolutionary measures proposed at the end of Section II. That passage would, in many respects, be very differently worded today. In view of the gigantic strides of Modern Industry since 1848, and of the accompanying improved and extended organization of the working class, in view of the practical experience gained, first in the February Revolution, and then, still more, in the Paris Commune, where the proletariat for the first time held political power for two whole months, this programme has in some details been antiquated. One thing especially was proved by the Commune, viz., that “the working class cannot simply lay hold of the ready-made state machinery, and wield it for its own purposes.” (See The Civil War in France: Address of the General Council of the International Working Men’ s Association, 1871, where this point is further developed.) Further, it is self-evident that the criticism of socialist literature is deficient in relation to the present time, because it comes down only to 1847; also that the remarks on the relation of the Communists to the various opposition parties (Section IV), although, in principle still correct, yet in practice are antiquated, because the political situation has been entirely changed, and the progress of history has swept from off the earth the greater portion of the political parties there enumerated.
>But then, the Manifesto has become a historical document which we have no longer any right to alter. A subsequent edition may perhaps appear with an introduction bridging the gap from 1847 to the present day; but this reprint was too unexpected to leave us time for that. >>2712816they will both be thrown into the same blender when the time comes
>>2712822yes. communism is evolution, not dogma.
<Marxism-Leninism is not a dogma, it is a guide to action and a creative theory. So, Marxism-Leninism can display its indestructible vitality only when it is applied creatively to suit the specific conditions of each country. The same applies to the experience of the fraternal parties. It will prove valuable to us only when we make a study of it, grasp its essence and properly apply it to our realities. Instead, if we just gulp it down and spoil our work, it will not only harm our work but also lead to discrediting the valuable experience of the fraternal parties.Kim Il Sung, On eliminating dogmatism and formalism and establishing Juche in ideological work, Speech to Party Propagandists and Agitators December 28, 1955
<To my mind, the so-called “socialist society” is not anything immutable. Like all other social formations, it should be conceived in a state of constant flux and change. Its crucial difference from the present order consists naturally in production organized on the basis of common ownership by the nation of all means of production. To begin this reorganization tomorrow, but performing it gradually, seems to me quite feasible. That our workers are capable of it is borne out by their many producer and consumer cooperatives which, whenever they're not deliberately ruined by the police, are equally well and far more honestly run than the bourgeois stock companies.Engels, Letter to Otto Von Boenigk In Breslau, August 21, 1890
<What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges. Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme, 1875
<Our theory is a theory of evolution, not a dogma to be learned by heart and to be repeated mechanically. The less it is drilled into the Americans from outside and the more they test it with their own experience […] the deeper will it pass into their flesh and blood. When we returned to Germany, in spring 1848, we joined the Democratic Party as the only possible means of getting the ear of the working class; we were the most advanced wing of that party, but still a wing of it. When Marx founded the International, he drew up the General Rules in such a way that all working-class socialists of that period could join it – Proudhonists, Pierre Lerouxists and even the more advanced section of the English Trades Unions; and it was only through this latitude that the International became what it was, the means of gradually dissolving and absorbing all these minor sects, […] Had we from 1864, to 1873 insisted on working together only with those who openly adopted our platform where should we be to-day? I think that all our practice has shown that it is possible to work along with the general movement of the working class at every one of its stages without giving up or hiding our own distinct position and even organisation […]Friedrich Engels, Letter to Florence Kelley Wischnewetsky, January 27, 1887
>>2712819>It may take centuries for socialism to replace capitalism as the mode of production.We don't have centuries, we have like a generation at best
>>2712816Why is he throwing shade at Germans? Lol.
>The woke Aryan Platnervs.
<The Zionist Nazi Raphael Cruz >>2712825>We don't have centuries, we have like a generation at bestby the time your claim is proven wrong or right this thread will no longer exist to reply to.
>>2712827
it's sad that you supposedly work 12 hours only to waste all your free time dooming and demoralizing your own class on here.
>>2712829>by the time your claim is proven wrongwhat's there to prove wrong, that's the time we have until climate apocalypse decimates us
>>2712835
you should go spend time with your loved one if you really think nothing matters and we're all doomed. instead you're neglecting your loved one to demoralize your class. that's somehow even worse.
>>2712840
he's a doomer and a solipsist, so for him, the world might as well end when he does.
>>2712843Contending with reality is now dooming, huh?
>>2712844
>The only thing I’m missing out on is streaming slop, as long as we’re in the same room loneliness is at bay
read your lover what I said to you and see if they agree
>>2712846you literally said IRL doesn't exist
>>2712849
we are great apes
anyone who thinks there isnt a climate apocolypse is an idiot
>>2712849
climate change will hurt all the animals you listed, including humans, and humans won't completely disappear, they will just have their numbers massively reduced and forced to live lower quality lives. why are you "excited" for that?
>>2712855you know there is one and yet you demoralize about it
>>2712859
yes its gonna be painful because of that. Expect a slow burn
>>2712861
missed the point on purpose award (your specialty)
>>2712865
>It’s only demoralization if you want to live in communism instead of slavery and feudalism, I want the latter because it will be the only possibility
the handful of correct things you assert do not support this outlandish claim. i suggest getting a grip.
>>2712868
ok then roll in broken glass and bathe in lemon juice so you become more christlike or whatever.
>>2712672>The CPUSA is, after the DSSA, one of the biggest impediments towards forming a legitimate, militant left in America. If you're not acting in bad faith then you live in a delusional, hyper-sectarian fantasy world. Most Americans are not even aware the CPUSA even exists let alone seeing them as an obstacle to a militant left with legitimacy among the masses.
>>2712878it's felix. you know he believes what he says.
>>2712882
why not just go have sex with your boyfriend instead?
the climate apocolypse is real.
Humanity might get extinct
but life will still live on
and i hope the next speices that emerges on this planet will create communism
great man theory has to be atleast a little bit true when trumpism has a total chokehold on a third of americans
>>2712909great man theory was always fucking true to an extent. And anyone who denied it is an idiot
>>2712903
nuclear war?
>>2712913>I realized this 17 years ago while on LSD.I must too embark on this lsd wisdom
>>2712911>>2712909the so called "great men" are products of historical forces and necessity, not free will. that is the truth.
>>2712919they are products of historical forces and necessity, but they are given a influential position as a result. One which they can use to influence history.
>>2712928they aren't great. they are just pivot points in a machine.
>>2712948
it happened before, that's how we got here. it has to happen every time. the past is infinite and so is the future. the universe always returns to its initial state. the physicists say time has a beginning and end but they are operating on a very low level and need more LSD.
>>2712954>>2712948isnt there a theory that states the universe resets eventually?
force feed every scientist, cop, soldier, politician, and judge 10 hits of LSD
>>2712961and priest. can't forget the priests
>>2712944
okay sure but when does my selective service run out again? asking for a friend
>>2712975the fuck. I wrote 26 and it somehow changed to that bullet point.
>>2712974todd wrote nothing. the guy who wrote scrolls lore did a lot of LSD and locked himself in an apartment in the late 90s so todd could be rich
>>2712975>>2712977But of course, when they start drafting, they start raising the age limit.
>Initial Draft (1940): 21–36 years old.>After Pearl Harbor (1942): Expanded to 18–44 years old.>Final Cutoff (Nov 1942): Set to 18–37 years old to prioritize younger men for combat. >>2713025i hate that this is a good anology
>>2712944
Don’t doubt orangeman
>>2712878The audacity of this liberal moron. Cpusa panders to dickriding democrat nazis. Cpusa says vote platner to stop fascism. Thats a big problem for amerikan
>>2713064>>2713025I remember using the analogy of "riding the waves of history" when I was explaining Marxism and historical materialism to a friend.
>>2712878PS. Reason why no one knows cpusa is because they are just dick riders. There are hundreds of millions
>>2713093
There isn’t one. There’s only correct and incorrect.
>>2713137>>2713131>>2713123>>2713120>>2713097How about you all stop being so spooked by your Abrahamic Bullshit. America is just a country founded by slavers and will collapse in time like any other empire before.
>>2713125
Shut up opioid user
>>2713097
you are 3 corporations in a trenchcoat that depends on China to make you your toys
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>>2713207Felix was always right
. You are all collaborators.
>>2713539talked to the enemy again award
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