IRAN THREAD FOR ANTI-IMPERIALISTS
For a while now, threads related to Iran have been hijacked by an ultroid who bemoans the death of petit-bourgeois wreckers as 'prole deaths', who supports Israeli-American colour revolutions, and who openly cheers the Israeli-American bombing of Iran, without forgetting the obligatory russophobia and sinophobia. That OP is most probably a persian diasporoid faggot who added lefcuckism as his list of misfortunes.
We have been silent for far too long. We will now have this thread for honourable and dignified communists to discuss happenings in Iran.
171 posts and 36 image replies omitted.>>2712677> if it was okay to say that it's no big deal or even based because Iraq isn't communist or some shitSomething like the NATO bombings in Yugoslavia and Kosovo were much more similar to what your talking about i think. Tankies supported Milosevic and Serbia even though he wasnt communist, while the rest of the non-ML left was much more sympathetic to intervention.
1) All countries are capitalist, no exceptions.
2) All countries have imperialist ambitions. Only some are strong and competent enough to act upon them.
3) Communists fight against CAPITALISM (the disease), imperialism is a symptom of capitalism.
4) Therefore the duty of communists is to fight against the CAPITALISTS of their home country, not to SAPPOT the capitalists of this or that country.
>>2714271all correct, now let's see someone go mad over this
>>2714271How can you " fight" a mode of production?
>>2714284The same way liberals did with feudalism
>>2714315That's not fighting, thats theorizing, it doesn't do anything to change global relations
>>2714306They lead industrialization? What will communists lead to change the means of production?
>>2714317>>2714319First of all, let's see if you're arguing in good faith. Answer me this : should the working class of capitalist countries like Iran or Venezuela fight against their bourgeoisie, or should they support their bourgeoisie in a war?
>>2714319The answers to those questions are found in the ICP texts. After really reading them and understanding them, you get a clear idea of what communism is, and what should be done. You need to put effort and read.
>>2711696>maybeDo not lib here 🚫
Mandatory Lenin, yes? 💯
>>2711766p much, tho Vatican have found no oil on its territory… yet
Only spaghetti
>>2712417
True, pnly proletarian life does.
>>2712677I started channing back then. I was an anarchist (ancom). The "left" was completely united against the war on afghan/iraq, because the evidence of it being a farce was everywhere plus, and this is a big plus, even the democrats opposed it. Bush Jr years were different.
If you were a dem and said "ok, but I support stomping le terrorists" you were given 2 Wikileaks videos of the USA bombing weddings in iraq, 3 videos of bombing sheepherders in afghanistan, irrefutable evidence that the "wapponz of mass destructo" was a fabricationy and you were converted.
Oh yeah, Wikileaks was BIG back then.
I remember the last months of Bush Jr presidency and how jaded even the biggest republicans were. Everyone knew the dems are gonna win. Not even they defended the wars anymore.
It was a NATO shitshow, and even imperial-core countries had anti-US embassy protests, for example.
Anti-war protests in the USA reached tens of thousands participants per cities.
People had hope™ and then Obama raped it.
>>2712678Lemme guess
>Soup kitchans>Student "org">rentier "unions">etc.Completely meaningless pseudo-praxis.
>>2712699Have you considered that doing an illegal war is bad BUT them reactionary iraqis/afghans/syrians/iranians/REGIMES are bad too???????
gonna kms over OldBO not modding this site anymore, tbh.
lmao leftcoms are such a fucking joke
>>2714024In said vid zios were unironically saying "napalm palestine".
That vid goes hard
>>2714164>like Me, my brother, we thought about joining even in the wars…on which side?
>>2712837"Professor" Mamndani can suck a kokk
>>2714016>I'm also old enough to very very vaguely remember Clinton's fun wars One of my earliest memories. It was early in the night, I was a wee child then (somewhere between 4 and 5), and we were walking in the center park of Szeged, Hungary (Széchenyi square) with my dad, my 1-2yrs old little sis in the stroller, and then just suddenly incredibly loud noises came from the sky, and literally hundreds of fucking US bombers flew over us in 10 minutes, we watched them agape.
I asked my dad: 'the fuck is those' (or the 4 yrs old equivalent of that) and he said something like 'fucking Americans going to bonb our neighbour country, including fellow Hungarians living there.'
Looking back, anti-imperialism was instilled into me from a very young agey even tho my dad is and was a retarded conservatard.
In my teens I watched Pink Floyd's The Wall movie, and there's a scene in there w bombers littering the sky, and it immediately made me have a memory flashback to my earliest memory.
(I think the music track had this lyrics: "what shall.. we do… With empty… Spaces" or sg like that)
>>2714271>1) All countries are capitalist, no exceptions.Already empirically wrong, lmao.
>2) All countries have imperialist ambitions. Only some are strong and competent enough to act upon them.Liberal understanding of imperialism.
>3) Communists fight against CAPITALISM (the disease), imperialism is a symptom of capitalism.Highest stage, etc. (Read the book, fagLORD).
>4) Therefore the duty of communists is to fight against the CAPITALISTS of their home country, not to SAPPOT the capitalists of this or that country.Yadda yadda, RTFM or KYS (but preferably the latter).
>>2714356Lemme replicate leftcom posting RE:current imperialism
>BOTH SIDES BAD (CAPITALISM)>ONLY WORKERS CAN INTO ANTI-CAPITALISM>"theory" dump<gets crit>VALUE FORM!!! VALUE FORM!!!… how did I do?
Hate them. Tovthe wall they go, all of them. >>2714322The working class should support the revolutionary political leadership of those countries that are attempting to lead them out of capitalism (Chavistas in Venezuela and the Iranian Revolutinary Guard in Iran).
Iran has done more damage to Capital in the last 48 hours than leftcoms in their entire "history" lmfao
ziggas dont wanna hear this but burgers are about to experience en masse the frustrations that ziggas have been experiencing for the past 4 years and i think that's a really beautiful thing. ziggas and MAGA were always destined for each other like a yin-yang thing.
>>2714462>muh ziggersbrave and stunning
>>2714401A pink floyd classic, such a good song/music video. Remains ever relevant unfortunately
<did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath the clear blue sky? >>2714425you forgot the racism and smugness
>>2714481okay fine i'll call you Anglo-Z, does that make it better? does that make you feel better and feel like the hoho - I MEAN the dirty mudslimes are on their last ropes?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2714493but he didn't
>2714560Life is timing.
I mean if it's a joke it's actually funny.
But generally they are beyond parody.
>>2714560what? I can't even understand what you are saying, anti-campists are starting to lose it fr fr
>>2714585i'm saying that burgers and russians are blood brothers now in flailing conflicts and both are dogs of the Zionists. if russians could've they would've sold out the CHinese and Iranians by now but MAGA is unable to get the Based Christian Alliance going for real
>>2714401pink floyd is based. iirc roger waters blame nato for ukraine
>>2714762This is stealth zigga cope. There is no comparison between Cucktin and Zion Don. If Cucktin was POTUS, there would have already been 200,000 US casualties in Venezuela and instead of dozens of top IR assassinations, he would be meeting the Ayatollah and talk about the "Spirit of Tehran" or something.
Actually you just gave me an idea. The solution to US imperialism is to find the American version of Cucktin and make him President.
>>2715065That might unironically be JB Pritzker
recent happenings in iran?
>>2715065>If Cucktin was POTUS, there would have already been 200,000 US casualties in Venezuela and instead of dozens of top IR assassinations, he would be meeting the Ayatollah and talk about the "Spirit of Tehran" or something.trvthnvke…
I wonder how those libs that thought the world was getting better feel now.
Looking at you steven pinker
>>2710932>muh nation *sharts*
>>2712677The only leftists to support the Iraq war are the ML party of Iraq and Iran's Islamists
The Iraqi Communist Party was actually expelled from many international orgs but they're back to being wholesome 100 campists now
>>2714455>CapitalYou mean "Capital" as in Marx's book, or capital as in financial assets?
>>2711779>anti imperialism isnt realare you ready to apologize to Iran or are you still in denial?
>>2711840lmao anti-campists were really posting graphics about how military contractors grift the federal goverment as proof the US was going to steamroll this shit or something
>>2714455>fighting capital is when you bomb gulf nationis this true socdemxisters?
Unequal Exchange: The Engine of Modern Imperialism
<Torkil Lauesen joins us to discuss his book Unequal Exchange: Past, Present, and Future and the hidden mechanics of modern imperialism. Lauesen returns to the tradition of Arghiri Emmanuel to argue that while the world market tends to equalize prices, wages remain radically unequal across borders – driving a structural transfer of value from low-wage production zones to high-wage consumer economies.
<We walk through Lauesen’s reconstruction of unequal exchange through Marx’s value theory, the leading approaches to measuring global value transfer, and what contemporary estimates imply about the scale of the drain. From there, we explore the political consequences inside the Global North: why reformism and social democracy have often been stabilized by imperial arrangements, what that means for internationalism, and why the “imperial mode of living” is increasingly unstable.
<Finally, we turn to the shifting world order – especially Lauesen’s argument that a new mode of production may be emerging, best exemplified by China – and what that implies for the future of capitalism, multipolarity, and socialist transition. We also discuss the ongoing war/conflict involving Iran and what it reveals about crisis, hegemony, and the changing methods of imperial power.
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