IRAN THREAD FOR ANTI-IMPERIALISTS
For a while now, threads related to Iran have been hijacked by an ultroid who bemoans the death of petit-bourgeois wreckers as 'prole deaths', who supports Israeli-American colour revolutions, and who openly cheers the Israeli-American bombing of Iran, without forgetting the obligatory russophobia and sinophobia. That OP is most probably a persian diasporoid faggot who added lefcuckism as his list of misfortunes.
We have been silent for far too long. We will now have this thread for honourable and dignified communists to discuss happenings in Iran.
>>2710936I knew pussying out years ago when israel attacked them would bite them in the ass years down the road.
He’s gonna get replaced with someone who will lift the fatwa on nuclear weapons, every time Iran elects a president on a reformist soft negotiating stance toward the west, the west throws its cock in their face like if you combined the cruelty of a chimp with the language of a bonobo
>>2710936As Lenin wrote "anti imperialism is a sham and a humbug"
>>2711176Did he actually say that?
>>2710936We say cuckmeini but trough his murdering of communists he was for the third worldists the bull who fucked their wives, bozo got his wings 😞
i support the ultra because he has more courage to call out complacency than you cucks
What if..hear me out. The CAPITALIST countries of Iran and Venezuela realized that China is actually communist and therefore they would rather preserve capitalism rather than fight for anti-imperialism. Now Russia has started negotiating as well. WW3 is gonna be China vs 200 countries
Yeah, let's support a tyrannical Islamic theocracy that has stoned women and killed socialists, third worldists are retarded. Same retards who defend Russia when they arrested students who were reading Lenin texts a few months ago.
>>2711343Nobody here supports Iran because of their Islamic retardation. We support Iran here because they are enemies of USA and Israel.
To not support Iran at this moment in time means supporting USA-Israel.
Conclusion: you are CIA-Mossad.
>>2711237Calling out 'iranian complacency' when it is being bombed by USA and Israel = siding with American and Zionist imperialism
>>2711350You want millions of foreigners live under a shitty government just because they happen to oppose the US? And they oppose only in aura farming tweets rather than actual military action?
>>2711354>You want millions of foreigners live under a shitty governmentIf the Israelis and Americans succeed, will they live under a great government?
Did you learn nothing from Libya, Syria and Afghanistan?
After ousting Gaddafi, Bashar and PDPA, who ruled these countries?
>>2711354It is very telling that you belive the victorious American-Israeli axis will establish a government in Iran which is better than the current one.
>2711343
inbred bot baitposting, the only reason Iran is a corrupt theocracy to begin with is because the USA + UK destroyed their developing democracy in 1953. Iran is fucked up in the first place because of imperialism.
no (you) for you
>>2711352that iran let this happen to it should be proof enough, also i don't give a fuck about your nationstate personhood shit, either way they've reaped the harvest they've sown and you'll reap the disappointment you've sown too
>>2711343Support? I believe Iran is a sovereign nation that has a right to self determination. You can disapprove of certain methods but you don't have the right, in your support of unjust aggression, to dictate the terms by imposition. It's their heritage, their business. They weren't a threat and had just finished negotiations they were lured into, where they agreed to dismantle the nuclear program with IAEA inspecting, while the State of Epstein laid in wait to ambush them. Then the orange blob and kegsbreath launched an illegal war (according to the constitution) after running an antiwar campaign, and all to distract from the pedofilia rampant among the ruling class and to protect themselves from prosecution. And everyone faces greater uncertainty as the economy tanks with no real leadership capable of correcting course. You should then understand why people might want to vent their anger at the pedos responsible for Operation Epstein Fury.
Iran Thread #3 Repost:
Relative to revolutionary defeatism, if you are British or American, or any other European who's military in whatever Land, Air or Sea capacity, has been or will be hit - rejoice and celebrate, for it weakens the enemy that is your own nation, your own state.
Revolutionary Defeatism applies to the imperialist powers who are aggressing here, we should not be attacking the nation that is being aggressed upon by the imperialist powers!
Iran has its own interest to self-defence and it will and has done so, if you are for its destruction you are for the creation of a new neo-colony in the middle east whose resources will be extracted by the NATO Empire, whose labour will be exploited becoming a dependent people and dependent economy, and its trade routes secured. After tons of bombs, then the sweet profits from rebuilding and investment.
The weaker our enemy gets, being ones own imperialist nation, the more opportunity for agitation for socialists to go amongst the public and show the horror and terror towards others, the military blunder, the waste of resources and funds that could be spent on people and not war! THAT is true revolutionary defeatism and internationalism!
I would also add if you are against Iran, you are for Israel! And the capitulation of the Arabs to reconciling with Israel therefore supporting their OWN genocide and that of the Palestinians in the long run, with Greater Israel, rather than the Gulf states supporting the ideals of Pan-Arabism as outlined by Nasser!
>>2711362refer to
>>2711356>>2711366keep living in the clouds, retard
>>2711362
>What if it does establish a better government?
When has this actually happened? What is the pathway to building a better government? The liberals (and monarchists) have no institutions or power structures or anything. The reason the Islamists were able to take over when the shah fell was that they had dual power structures which were able to take over when the state collapse. today there is nothing. zero. if the government falls then it'll just turn into anarchy.
>>2711423all from middleeasteye btw
>>2711343>Tyrannical Why are ultras so hysterical? Why are they such libs?
>>2711435>not wanting to be oppressed is LE LIBERALis your favorite socialist ante pavelic?
>>2711436>Muh Oppreshion >Muh Tyranny You are a liberal
>>2711439even marx and others? they were liberals too?
Iran is the only democracy in the middle east.
>>2711439>>Muh Oppreshion>You are a liberalTIL Lenin was a liberal
>>2711440Marx was kinda libbed out compared to Lenin imo
>>2711440You are not marx or the others, far from it. You are a liberal whining about the enemies of your own bourgeoisie
>>2711443You are not Lenin, you are a liberal
>>2711435The US is more tyrannical than Iran, therefore I support the US. You're the libbed out cuck who wants to support muh wholesome small brown tyranny over the gigachad BWC tyranny
>>2711453It's truly pathetic how you people false flag as leftcoms to make racist posts like this. Fuck off
Itbah al yahood
>>2711452>No argument That's what I thought
>>2711453>And here's why I support USreal's aggression against Iran and also my undisguised racial fetish Don't care, you are a liberal
>>2711454>No argument That's what I thought
>>2711453>I support the USFINALLY, a proper disciple of Marx!
>>2711358Its very telling that the only two options you can think of are rule by Mullah or rule by Shah. Even the THOUGHT of communist rule doesn't come to you. Absolutely pathetic
>>2711459>muh arguments muh marketplace of ideasholy liberalism
>>2711467>I am a liberal with zero (0) arguments other than crying about tyranny We know anon, you don't have to keep telling us
>>2711465I would if a communist movement strong enough existed in Iran. Sadly, it does not.
I do not live in the clouds.
>>2711471>debate me browhy do libs love debating so much?
>>2711477Keep crying about Iranian tyranny my good liberal friend
Pack watch lmao. Not gonna cry for some politician.
>13:49 GMT
>Former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who held the post between 2005 and 2013, has been killed in the US-Israeli strikes on Tehran, according to the news agency ILNA.
Animals without pronciples. He was the most secular "West-friendly" pres in Iran's history.
>>2711365b… but… muh monarchy…
>democraticdo leftists really?
>>2711505This isn’t about a politician. This is about lived of millions of people being threatened with annihilation by a genocidal ethnostate ruled by a death cult, backed by a superpower that’s also ruled by a death cult.
>>2711343What have you done to fight your own bourgeoisie?
>>2711439>>2711435tbf, all of you people do it.
Islamic Republic supporters are crying muh tyranny
Pahlavi royalists are crying muh tyranny
<Thomas Hobbes: Tyranny and Oligarchy, But Different Names of Monarchy, and Aristocracy>There be other names of Government, in the Histories, and books of Policy; as Tyranny, and Oligarchy: But they are not the names of other Forms of Government, but of the same Forms misliked. For they that are discontented under Monarchy, call it Tyranny; and they that are displeased with Aristocracy, call it Oligarchy: so also, they which find themselves grieved under a Democracy, call it Anarchy, (which signifies want of Government;) and yet I think no man believes, that want of Government, is any new kind of Government: nor by the same reason ought they to believe, that the Government is of one kind, when they like it, and another, when they mislike it, or are oppressed by the Governours.
>And because the name of Tyranny, signifies nothing more, nor less, than the name of Sovereignty, be it in one, or many men, saving that they that use the former word, are understood to be angry with them they call Tyrants; I think the toleration of a professed hatred of Tyranny, is a Toleration of hatred to Commonwealth in general, and another evil seed, not differing much from the former.Hobbes' nominalist outlook, but honestly–he's vindicated everyday, especially with the Secularist vs Spiritualist conflict of the Pahlavis royalists versus the Iranian clericalists.
Hobbes:
>Or else there must needs follow Faction, and Civil war in the Common-wealth, between the Church and State; between Spiritualists, and Temporalists; between the Sword Of Justice, and the Shield Of Faith; and (which is more) in every Christian mans own brest, between the Christian, and the Man. The Doctors of the Church, are called Pastors; so also are Civill Soveraignes: But if Pastors be not subordinate one to another, so as that there may bee one chief Pastor, men will be taught contrary Doctrines, whereof both may be, and one must be false. Who that one chief Pastor is, according to the law of Nature, hath been already shewn; namely, that it is the Civill Soveraign;Khamenei before he died said>"Ackchyually, when I say death to America, I just mean the Trump administration"Pahlavi said>You have sworn an oath to protect Iran and the Iranian people—not the Islamic Republic and its leaders. Your duty is to defend the people, not a regimeI have a nuanced take: the regime is the people.
I hate the American sentiment that you can hate the government but not the people.
A regime is the cult of personality for a people and without that unity they are nothing but flocks of goats.
>"One never attacks the body so much as when one attacks the head, though one can seem for a while to flatter the other members."-Bossuet
>>2711716monarchic-communism. DRPK Juche is going to be the only socialist system left.
This is because Juche is like the family business. Each Kim leader passed down the wisdom of fighting imperialism, the tricks of the trade, and prevented reformist cliques from emerging.
This is where Syria failed. when basil al assad who was trained for the role died, we had bashar who had no idea wtf he was doing. or see Hezbollah where the decades of knowledge fighting israel died with hasan nasrallah's death.
>>2711727Meh, this strikes me as naive. Seems the Kim's longevity are a product of the DPRK anti-factional and unity politics more than the cause.
>>2711726>providing cover for imperialist war literally during the aggression>muh wokeyou deserve to be shot
>>2711716Honestly kys w that bourgeois nonsense civil theory, you anti-scientitic troll, lmao
>>2711716fuck off monarshit nobody gives a fuck what you think stop shitting up real threads
>>2711752>providing coverThis is what I mean. No mention of how am I providing cover for whom by posting, or conversely, how supporting the IRGC is supposed to cover Iran against imperialist aggression. Only pure seething.
This is like if the US bombed the vactican and killed the pope
>>2711757I long for the day feudalists finally go fully extinct.
i feel bad for leftoids who are still coping about le anti imperialism. actually embarassing
>>2711726You are an IMF-"Leftist".
>>2711772feel bad for yourself, you will die being ruled by epsteinites, just like everyone else outisde of the club
>>2711778and so will you, motherfucker. what country isnt ruled by a cabal of pedophiles, currently? certainly not yours. anti imperialism isnt real
Cope thread lmao
>>2711781Lab-aristro reply, lmao
NO ULTRA HAS EVER CALLED ME A LUMPEN
>>2711779>anti imperialism isnt realEnjoy the plunder
>>2711787The world order you are benefitting from is crumbling. Enjoy the last few years of your comfortable life, labour aristocrat!
>>2711775My country has been more fucked by the IMF than yours, yank
>>2711796Yet you still shill the IMF narrative, curious! 🧐
>>2711779>and so will you, motherfuckerDid I imply otherwise? lol illiterate retard just waiting for an excuse to chimp out
have sex
>>2711795see this is why i think campism is just cope. you guys wanna feel like youre winning so you pretend like the US is collapsing (its not) and the good guys are winning
meanwhile in reality the US has invaded syria, venezuela and now iran, with total impunity and without needing to even think of an excuse. whats next? canada, greenland, colombia, china?
>>2711800If I were, I would have a lot in common with the IRGC!
>>2711809>you pretend like the US is collapsing (its not)Look at the economy
>>2711817they are falling behind, yet they are still miles ahead of china, not just in economic terms but also in military tems.
china can surpass the US but thats not a given yet, and the US is doing everything in their power to prevent that currently
>>2711809>see this is why i think campism is just copethen what the fuck are you doing in this thread? go make an anti-campist one
'Campism' is a retarded word and concept. It was invented by ugly life-haters to insult people who are brave enough to dirty themselves and pick a side in a sea of blood, sweat and shit.
Since the near-extinction of the world communist movement, a Marxist is obligated to be a 'campist'.
Anything else is just pro-imperialism.
>>2711825>yet they are still miles ahead of chinaare you sure its not you who is coping?
>>2711825>not just in economic terms Industry is now dying off in full after years of self culling, economists are talking about a k shaped economy now, the infrastructure is literally crumbling, and the consequences of enshittification are quickly catching up.
>but also in military termsMilitary was already dealing with crap like moldy barracks and recruitment issues before orange man showed up. With him in charge, it’s only downhill from here.
>china can surpass the USThey already have at least domestically. The only question now is if the can keep up momentum and prepare accordingly.
Unfortunately, the USA is still the top dog by a comfortable (but ever decreasing) margin. I can only hope that as China starts breathing down the yank's neck, and America's usual chimpanzeeness starts to get aggressive with China, the Chinese do not eternally cave as the Iranians and Russians.
Are you on the side of the mullahs or the side of the proletariat? Choose carefully.
>>2711841>I can only hope that as China starts breathing down the yank's neckChina has its own issues to deal with. They won’t dealing with the overseas mess when they have their own security to take care of.
>>2711844Das not what I meant.
>>2711843The only existing sides currently are that of the mullahs and that of the zionist-americans. There is no communist movement of significance in Iran.
>USA numba 1!!!
*yawn*
>>2711848America is in no position to lay even a single tip of a finger on China. It has grown lazier, become ever more incompetent, and has developed a strong hatred for itself. America will attempt to surround China first, and it will fail miserably.
>>2711862>It has grown lazier, become ever more incompetent,They've knocked off two anti-imperialist states in as many years (Syria and Venezuela). You're delusional to not see them as an existential threat that's becoming even more aggressive.
>>2711841>the USA is still the top dogtop dog of getting executed in the streets by the personal army of an orange pedofile
anyways why are we even talking about that shithole? everyone knows american defense contractors are turbo grifters, its no surprise they spend more than anyone else on that, there is already another thread for shit nobody cares about (/USApol/)
>>2711870It’s the truth. America is under the full control of total mad men desperate for relevance. Public support for the state is in the gutter. The new administration’s destruction of scientific institutions and research, and their pathetic attempts at mass opioid poisoning show how much they have lost the plot. Their priorities have become palace building and crude displays of power rather than anything effective.
>>2711876They are attempting to, not necessarily successful just yet. If they overcome Iran, then they should become significantly more concerned. Until then, it is not so.
>>2711883>They've knocked off two anti-imperialist states in as many years (Syria and Venezuela)We have yet to see the full consequences of their actions. It is concerning, but I wouldn’t panic until they take Iran. And even then, things on the domestic side remain strong.
>>2711761if you dont see how denouncing iran while they get bombed by imperialists benefit the latter, you're simply retarded
>>2711843your framing is on the side of the imperialists
i genuinely dont understand why leftists try to downplay american imperialism. just to feel like youre winning? so its all feels over reals?
>>2711976>i genuinely dont understand why leftists try to downplay american imperialismshadowboxing champion
are you baking your anti-campist thread yet?
>>2711984schizo, 'campists' are the ones opposing US imperialist interventions like the current actions against Iran
Bump
>>2711796Yet u remain an IMF shill, curious
>>2711726>who, among others, include communists and proletarians Communists who you would be calling leftist falsifiers if they were in the west
>>2710936His only sin, besides systematizing the massacre of communists, was being so fucking passive to the Great Satan
>>2711343This is how I know I am doing the right thing choosing to follow the path of communism. Look at my enemies. Utter fucking morons incapable of nuance. I am more sure I am right than I have ever been in my life
Human life doesn’t matter
>>2712078I would call anyone brave enough to organize a soviet or a strike my comrade.
>>2712417especially yours
>>2711840Alot of that is spent just on bases and upkeep. They need to spend alot because it is wholly inefficient
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>>2712474They could spend twice what China spends in total on upkeep alone and they'd still be outspending them
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