IRAN THREAD FOR ANTI-IMPERIALISTS
For a while now, threads related to Iran have been hijacked by an ultroid who bemoans the death of petit-bourgeois wreckers as 'prole deaths', who supports Israeli-American colour revolutions, and who openly cheers the Israeli-American bombing of Iran, without forgetting the obligatory russophobia and sinophobia. That OP is most probably a persian diasporoid faggot who added lefcuckism as his list of misfortunes.
We have been silent for far too long. We will now have this thread for honourable and dignified communists to discuss happenings in Iran.
>>2710936I knew pussying out years ago when israel attacked them would bite them in the ass years down the road.
>>2710936As Lenin wrote "anti imperialism is a sham and a humbug"
>>2711176Did he actually say that?
>>2710936We say cuckmeini but trough his murdering of communists he was for the third worldists the bull who fucked their wives, bozo got his wings 😞
i support the ultra because he has more courage to call out complacency than you cucks
What if..hear me out. The CAPITALIST countries of Iran and Venezuela realized that China is actually communist and therefore they would rather preserve capitalism rather than fight for anti-imperialism. Now Russia has started negotiating as well. WW3 is gonna be China vs 200 countries
Yeah, let's support a tyrannical Islamic theocracy that has stoned women and killed socialists, third worldists are retarded. Same retards who defend Russia when they arrested students who were reading Lenin texts a few months ago.
>>2711343Nobody here supports Iran because of their Islamic retardation. We support Iran here because they are enemies of USA and Israel.
To not support Iran at this moment in time means supporting USA-Israel.
Conclusion: you are CIA-Mossad.
>>2711237Calling out 'iranian complacency' when it is being bombed by USA and Israel = siding with American and Zionist imperialism
>>2711350You want millions of foreigners live under a shitty government just because they happen to oppose the US? And they oppose only in aura farming tweets rather than actual military action?
>>2711354>You want millions of foreigners live under a shitty governmentIf the Israelis and Americans succeed, will they live under a great government?
Did you learn nothing from Libya, Syria and Afghanistan?
After ousting Gaddafi, Bashar and PDPA, who ruled these countries?
>>2711354It is very telling that you belive the victorious American-Israeli axis will establish a government in Iran which is better than the current one.
>2711343
inbred bot baitposting, the only reason Iran is a corrupt theocracy to begin with is because the USA + UK destroyed their developing democracy in 1953. Iran is fucked up in the first place because of imperialism.
no (you) for you
>>2711352that iran let this happen to it should be proof enough, also i don't give a fuck about your nationstate personhood shit, either way they've reaped the harvest they've sown and you'll reap the disappointment you've sown too
>>2711343Support? I believe Iran is a sovereign nation that has a right to self determination. You can disapprove of certain methods but you don't have the right, in your support of unjust aggression, to dictate the terms by imposition. It's their heritage, their business. They weren't a threat and had just finished negotiations they were lured into, where they agreed to dismantle the nuclear program with IAEA inspecting, while the State of Epstein laid in wait to ambush them. Then the orange blob and kegsbreath launched an illegal war (according to the constitution) after running an antiwar campaign, and all to distract from the pedofilia rampant among the ruling class and to protect themselves from prosecution. And everyone faces greater uncertainty as the economy tanks with no real leadership capable of correcting course. You should then understand why people might want to vent their anger at the pedos responsible for Operation Epstein Fury.
Iran Thread #3 Repost:
Relative to revolutionary defeatism, if you are British or American, or any other European who's military in whatever Land, Air or Sea capacity, has been or will be hit - rejoice and celebrate, for it weakens the enemy that is your own nation, your own state.
Revolutionary Defeatism applies to the imperialist powers who are aggressing here, we should not be attacking the nation that is being aggressed upon by the imperialist powers!
Iran has its own interest to self-defence and it will and has done so, if you are for its destruction you are for the creation of a new neo-colony in the middle east whose resources will be extracted by the NATO Empire, whose labour will be exploited becoming a dependent people and dependent economy, and its trade routes secured. After tons of bombs, then the sweet profits from rebuilding and investment.
The weaker our enemy gets, being ones own imperialist nation, the more opportunity for agitation for socialists to go amongst the public and show the horror and terror towards others, the military blunder, the waste of resources and funds that could be spent on people and not war! THAT is true revolutionary defeatism and internationalism!
I would also add if you are against Iran, you are for Israel! And the capitulation of the Arabs to reconciling with Israel therefore supporting their OWN genocide and that of the Palestinians in the long run, with Greater Israel, rather than the Gulf states supporting the ideals of Pan-Arabism as outlined by Nasser!
>>2711362refer to
>>2711356>>2711366keep living in the clouds, retard
>>2711362
>What if it does establish a better government?
When has this actually happened? What is the pathway to building a better government? The liberals (and monarchists) have no institutions or power structures or anything. The reason the Islamists were able to take over when the shah fell was that they had dual power structures which were able to take over when the state collapse. today there is nothing. zero. if the government falls then it'll just turn into anarchy.
>>2711423all from middleeasteye btw
>>2711343>Tyrannical Why are ultras so hysterical? Why are they such libs?
>>2711435>not wanting to be oppressed is LE LIBERALis your favorite socialist ante pavelic?
>>2711436>Muh Oppreshion >Muh Tyranny You are a liberal
>>2711439even marx and others? they were liberals too?
Iran is the only democracy in the middle east.
>>2711439>>Muh Oppreshion>You are a liberalTIL Lenin was a liberal
>>2711440Marx was kinda libbed out compared to Lenin imo
>>2711440You are not marx or the others, far from it. You are a liberal whining about the enemies of your own bourgeoisie
>>2711443You are not Lenin, you are a liberal
>>2711435The US is more tyrannical than Iran, therefore I support the US. You're the libbed out cuck who wants to support muh wholesome small brown tyranny over the gigachad BWC tyranny
>>2711453It's truly pathetic how you people false flag as leftcoms to make racist posts like this. Fuck off
Itbah al yahood
>>2711452>No argument That's what I thought
>>2711453>And here's why I support USreal's aggression against Iran and also my undisguised racial fetish Don't care, you are a liberal
>>2711454>No argument That's what I thought
>>2711453>I support the USFINALLY, a proper disciple of Marx!
>>2711358Its very telling that the only two options you can think of are rule by Mullah or rule by Shah. Even the THOUGHT of communist rule doesn't come to you. Absolutely pathetic
>>2711459>muh arguments muh marketplace of ideasholy liberalism
>>2711467>I am a liberal with zero (0) arguments other than crying about tyranny We know anon, you don't have to keep telling us
>>2711465I would if a communist movement strong enough existed in Iran. Sadly, it does not.
I do not live in the clouds.
>>2711471>debate me browhy do libs love debating so much?
>>2711477Keep crying about Iranian tyranny my good liberal friend
Pack watch lmao. Not gonna cry for some politician.
>13:49 GMT
>Former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who held the post between 2005 and 2013, has been killed in the US-Israeli strikes on Tehran, according to the news agency ILNA.
Animals without pronciples. He was the most secular "West-friendly" pres in Iran's history.
>>2711365b… but… muh monarchy…
>democraticdo leftists really?
>>2711505This isn’t about a politician. This is about lived of millions of people being threatened with annihilation by a genocidal ethnostate ruled by a death cult, backed by a superpower that’s also ruled by a death cult.
>>2711343What have you done to fight your own bourgeoisie?
>>2711439>>2711435tbf, all of you people do it.
Islamic Republic supporters are crying muh tyranny
Pahlavi royalists are crying muh tyranny
<Thomas Hobbes: Tyranny and Oligarchy, But Different Names of Monarchy, and Aristocracy>There be other names of Government, in the Histories, and books of Policy; as Tyranny, and Oligarchy: But they are not the names of other Forms of Government, but of the same Forms misliked. For they that are discontented under Monarchy, call it Tyranny; and they that are displeased with Aristocracy, call it Oligarchy: so also, they which find themselves grieved under a Democracy, call it Anarchy, (which signifies want of Government;) and yet I think no man believes, that want of Government, is any new kind of Government: nor by the same reason ought they to believe, that the Government is of one kind, when they like it, and another, when they mislike it, or are oppressed by the Governours.
>And because the name of Tyranny, signifies nothing more, nor less, than the name of Sovereignty, be it in one, or many men, saving that they that use the former word, are understood to be angry with them they call Tyrants; I think the toleration of a professed hatred of Tyranny, is a Toleration of hatred to Commonwealth in general, and another evil seed, not differing much from the former.Hobbes' nominalist outlook, but honestly–he's vindicated everyday, especially with the Secularist vs Spiritualist conflict of the Pahlavis royalists versus the Iranian clericalists.
Hobbes:
>Or else there must needs follow Faction, and Civil war in the Common-wealth, between the Church and State; between Spiritualists, and Temporalists; between the Sword Of Justice, and the Shield Of Faith; and (which is more) in every Christian mans own brest, between the Christian, and the Man. The Doctors of the Church, are called Pastors; so also are Civill Soveraignes: But if Pastors be not subordinate one to another, so as that there may bee one chief Pastor, men will be taught contrary Doctrines, whereof both may be, and one must be false. Who that one chief Pastor is, according to the law of Nature, hath been already shewn; namely, that it is the Civill Soveraign;Khamenei before he died said>"Ackchyually, when I say death to America, I just mean the Trump administration"Pahlavi said>You have sworn an oath to protect Iran and the Iranian people—not the Islamic Republic and its leaders. Your duty is to defend the people, not a regimeI have a nuanced take: the regime is the people.
I hate the American sentiment that you can hate the government but not the people.
A regime is the cult of personality for a people and without that unity they are nothing but flocks of goats.
>"One never attacks the body so much as when one attacks the head, though one can seem for a while to flatter the other members."-Bossuet
>>2711716monarchic-communism. DRPK Juche is going to be the only socialist system left.
This is because Juche is like the family business. Each Kim leader passed down the wisdom of fighting imperialism, the tricks of the trade, and prevented reformist cliques from emerging.
This is where Syria failed. when basil al assad who was trained for the role died, we had bashar who had no idea wtf he was doing. or see Hezbollah where the decades of knowledge fighting israel died with hasan nasrallah's death.
>>2711727Meh, this strikes me as naive. Seems the Kim's longevity are a product of the DPRK anti-factional and unity politics more than the cause.
>>2711726>providing cover for imperialist war literally during the aggression>muh wokeyou deserve to be shot
>>2711716Honestly kys w that bourgeois nonsense civil theory, you anti-scientitic troll, lmao
>>2711716fuck off monarshit nobody gives a fuck what you think stop shitting up real threads
>>2711752>providing coverThis is what I mean. No mention of how am I providing cover for whom by posting, or conversely, how supporting the IRGC is supposed to cover Iran against imperialist aggression. Only pure seething.
This is like if the US bombed the vactican and killed the pope
>>2711757I long for the day feudalists finally go fully extinct.
i feel bad for leftoids who are still coping about le anti imperialism. actually embarassing
>>2711726You are an IMF-"Leftist".
>>2711772feel bad for yourself, you will die being ruled by epsteinites, just like everyone else outisde of the club
>>2711778and so will you, motherfucker. what country isnt ruled by a cabal of pedophiles, currently? certainly not yours. anti imperialism isnt real
Cope thread lmao
>>2711781Lab-aristro reply, lmao
NO ULTRA HAS EVER CALLED ME A LUMPEN
>>2711779>anti imperialism isnt realEnjoy the plunder
>>2711787The world order you are benefitting from is crumbling. Enjoy the last few years of your comfortable life, labour aristocrat!
>>2711775My country has been more fucked by the IMF than yours, yank
>>2711796Yet you still shill the IMF narrative, curious! 🧐
>>2711779>and so will you, motherfuckerDid I imply otherwise? lol illiterate retard just waiting for an excuse to chimp out
have sex
>>2711795see this is why i think campism is just cope. you guys wanna feel like youre winning so you pretend like the US is collapsing (its not) and the good guys are winning
meanwhile in reality the US has invaded syria, venezuela and now iran, with total impunity and without needing to even think of an excuse. whats next? canada, greenland, colombia, china?
>>2711800If I were, I would have a lot in common with the IRGC!
>>2711809>you pretend like the US is collapsing (its not)Look at the economy
>>2711817they are falling behind, yet they are still miles ahead of china, not just in economic terms but also in military tems.
china can surpass the US but thats not a given yet, and the US is doing everything in their power to prevent that currently
>>2711809>see this is why i think campism is just copethen what the fuck are you doing in this thread? go make an anti-campist one
'Campism' is a retarded word and concept. It was invented by ugly life-haters to insult people who are brave enough to dirty themselves and pick a side in a sea of blood, sweat and shit.
Since the near-extinction of the world communist movement, a Marxist is obligated to be a 'campist'.
Anything else is just pro-imperialism.
>>2711825>yet they are still miles ahead of chinaare you sure its not you who is coping?
>>2711825>not just in economic terms Industry is now dying off in full after years of self culling, economists are talking about a k shaped economy now, the infrastructure is literally crumbling, and the consequences of enshittification are quickly catching up.
>but also in military termsMilitary was already dealing with crap like moldy barracks and recruitment issues before orange man showed up. With him in charge, it’s only downhill from here.
>china can surpass the USThey already have at least domestically. The only question now is if the can keep up momentum and prepare accordingly.
Unfortunately, the USA is still the top dog by a comfortable (but ever decreasing) margin. I can only hope that as China starts breathing down the yank's neck, and America's usual chimpanzeeness starts to get aggressive with China, the Chinese do not eternally cave as the Iranians and Russians.
Are you on the side of the mullahs or the side of the proletariat? Choose carefully.
>>2711841>I can only hope that as China starts breathing down the yank's neckChina has its own issues to deal with. They won’t dealing with the overseas mess when they have their own security to take care of.
>>2711844Das not what I meant.
>>2711843The only existing sides currently are that of the mullahs and that of the zionist-americans. There is no communist movement of significance in Iran.
>USA numba 1!!!
*yawn*
>>2711848America is in no position to lay even a single tip of a finger on China. It has grown lazier, become ever more incompetent, and has developed a strong hatred for itself. America will attempt to surround China first, and it will fail miserably.
>>2711862>It has grown lazier, become ever more incompetent,They've knocked off two anti-imperialist states in as many years (Syria and Venezuela). You're delusional to not see them as an existential threat that's becoming even more aggressive.
>>2711841>the USA is still the top dogtop dog of getting executed in the streets by the personal army of an orange pedofile
anyways why are we even talking about that shithole? everyone knows american defense contractors are turbo grifters, its no surprise they spend more than anyone else on that, there is already another thread for shit nobody cares about (/USApol/)
>>2711870It’s the truth. America is under the full control of total mad men desperate for relevance. Public support for the state is in the gutter. The new administration’s destruction of scientific institutions and research, and their pathetic attempts at mass opioid poisoning show how much they have lost the plot. Their priorities have become palace building and crude displays of power rather than anything effective.
>>2711876They are attempting to, not necessarily successful just yet. If they overcome Iran, then they should become significantly more concerned. Until then, it is not so.
>>2711883>They've knocked off two anti-imperialist states in as many years (Syria and Venezuela)We have yet to see the full consequences of their actions. It is concerning, but I wouldn’t panic until they take Iran. And even then, things on the domestic side remain strong.
>>2711761if you dont see how denouncing iran while they get bombed by imperialists benefit the latter, you're simply retarded
>>2711843your framing is on the side of the imperialists
i genuinely dont understand why leftists try to downplay american imperialism. just to feel like youre winning? so its all feels over reals?
>>2711976>i genuinely dont understand why leftists try to downplay american imperialismshadowboxing champion
are you baking your anti-campist thread yet?
>>2711984schizo, 'campists' are the ones opposing US imperialist interventions like the current actions against Iran
Bump
>>2711796Yet u remain an IMF shill, curious
>>2711726>who, among others, include communists and proletarians Communists who you would be calling leftist falsifiers if they were in the west
>>2710936His only sin, besides systematizing the massacre of communists, was being so fucking passive to the Great Satan
>>2711343This is how I know I am doing the right thing choosing to follow the path of communism. Look at my enemies. Utter fucking morons incapable of nuance. I am more sure I am right than I have ever been in my life
>>2712078I would call anyone brave enough to organize a soviet or a strike my comrade.
>>2712417
especially yours
>>2711840Alot of that is spent just on bases and upkeep. They need to spend alot because it is wholly inefficient
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>>2712474They could spend twice what China spends in total on upkeep alone and they'd still be outspending them
>>2710936>>2710932If multipolaroids don't shed a single tear for the thousands of communists murdered by Iranian Islamists why should I be upset over this pussy old fag getting blown to pieces?
Hopefully someone with actual balls can take over the Iranian state and actually fight AmeriKKKa/piSSrahell.
>>2711976Anti-americanism is necessary but not enough. The failure of Assad, Maduro and CUCKmenei in the past few months is proof of that.
>>2712562>If multipolaroids don't shed a single tear for the thousands of communists murdered by Iranian Islamists why should I be upset over this pussy old fag getting blown to pieces?<For the Socialist of another country cannot expose the government and bourgeoisie of a country at war with “his own” nation, and not only because he does not know that country’s language, history, specific features, etc., but also because such exposure is part of imperialist intrigue, and not an internationalist duty.<He is not an internationalist who vows and swears by internationalism. Only he is an internationalist who in a really internationalist way combats his own bourgeoisie, his own social-chauvinists, his own Kautskyites.t. Lenin
>>2712591
they weren't proles yet
>>2712587You're right that I don't know the full history and language of Iran but if Iranian communists have historically opposed the Islamists and thousands have died in their fight against them is it really "imperialist intrigue" to not support the Ayatollah and their pussy ass efforts against AmeriKKKan imperialism?
Is "Just stick to criticizing your own country (of which I already do plenty) while ignoring everyone else" really what you got out of Lenin's internationalism?
>>2712616>Is "Just stick to criticizing your own country (of which I already do plenty) while ignoring everyone else" really what you got out of Lenin's internationalism?Yes, that's a huge part of it. The whole point of revolutionary defeatism is to turn the imperialist war into a civil war. How can you do that if you're just going on about how evil the targets of the imperialist war are? Even if you ignore the fact that America is an imperialist country and Iran is not, your goal is to turn people against your own government, and trust comrades in the "enemy" country to do the same to their government.
>>2712627Ok then I'll trust Iranian communists to behead and skin Islamists alive while I'll try to do the same to my country's porkies. Happy now?
>>2712641That's fine, I honestly have no issue with anti-campists as long as they are consistently committed to revolutionary defeatism (assuming you live in an imperialist country).
>>2712649Man, it's like pulling teeth, isn't it.
You can feel the seethe and the lemon sucking when they're reminded they have to act locally.
I wonder what the leftist discourse was in the West during the Iraq war and if it was okay to say that it's no big deal or even based because Iraq isn't communist or some shit. To mind that back in the day the imperialist bloc was less consolidated and even France defected from participating in the invasion, compared to today when it's one Epstein International hammering down everyone it doesn't like.
>>2712664I have done more locally than any one of y'all 3rd world strongmen bootlickers have done in your entire lives.
>>2712660
Same for Venezuela and Italy.
>>2712678That's based comrade, I'm just saying we need to get our priorities straight and not muddy the waters here. Our chief obligation as communists in this situation is to pull out all the stops and do everything we can to mobilize opposition to this war against Iran. Iranian communists can't ever establish a socialist state with the US waiting in the bushes to reinstall the Shah at the first sign of instability.
>>2712677Campists were still trying to gaslight communists that not dick riding Saddam was literally being in favor of AmeriKKKa raping and murdering thousands of people.
>>2712697Ah yes, both sides bad. Haven't heard that one before.
>>2712699There's only two sides, tankoid. The proletariat and the bourgeoisie and certainly one of them isn't bad.
Ah, the ol' reliable.
Bringing up the fact the origin of "third campism" refused to condemn Bay of Pigs and opposed US pulling out of Vietnam silences anti-campists immediately.
They'll be back, completely ignoring this fact. Maybe they feel entitled not to explain how they are different.
Wait really?
Schachtman got expelled from the Fourth International by Trotsky himself.
>In 1961 Hal Draper criticized Shachtman's refusal to condemn the Bay of Pigs Invasion, and in 1964 Draper helped to form the Independent Socialist Club. Shachtman favored a negotiated peace settlement rather than a unilateral US withdrawal from the Vietnam War.
>Over time, Shachtman's aggressive calls for the defeat of official communist nations' expansionism (the second camp) drifted rightward into support for the capitalist nations (the first camp).
You know it's bad, when Wikipedia is clowning on you. It's not real Trotskyism and it's not real Marxism. They got expelled from the first, and renounced the second.
>>2712693They ain't gonna put the Shah in power, stop being paranoid and taking he LARP of Iranian diaspora seriously. Remember when mfs on this site were swearing the US was gonna impose Juan Guaido or the Nobel Peace Prize bitch as the Venezuelan head of state together with turbo shock doctrine after taking out Maduro, only for the end result being that the PSUV still remains in power but is now slightly more friendly towards AmeriKKKa?
Same shit's gonna happen in Iran, the current islamists will be replaced by newer Islamists that will accept more bribes. This will obviously benefit the WeSSt while multipolaroids will claim victory cuz their guys are still in power and their campist kayfabe got validated.
The only ones who are going to be fucked (as always) is the Iranian proletariat but who gives a shit about them? We only care about flags and geopolitiKKKal intrigue on Chudtypol.org
>>2713163you're welcome to fuck off back to reddit ultra retard (calling you ultra is too generous actually, true ultra arent running cover for imperialism in the midst of their aggression war)
>>2713206Arguments detected: ZERO
>>2713163Whether they put the Shah in power or MEK or fucking Mickey Mouse it makes no difference. The point is that there won't be a communist revolution in Iran if the US deploys its massive resources to steer any crisis and unrest towards their interests.
>>2713311US invasion of any country is the last thing I want but the present state of things cannot be maintained for much longer. Regardless of what you or I believe it looks like things are going to sadly change for the worse in Iran and historically speaking, worsening conditions have been a huge boost for class struggle and the resolve of contradictions.
>>2711399unfortunately me and the other treatlerites are firmly anchored to earth by our girthy weight and it is the ayatollah and several innocent schoolchildren who are now "living in the clouds". It would seem that the yank menace will not kill itself. You and the other real communists have to do us in. We will cry and lie and pretend like we aren't guilty but alas that is just deception. Act swiftly and without mercy.
Might makes right, there are no rules, and if you die, it’s your own fault and moral failing
>>2713410wuddabout da babies doe
>>2713418Moral failures, the lot of them, humans shouldn’t even be babies in the first place
>>2712677it was exactly the same just swap saddam for assad (someone literally does this itt a few posts later lmao)
>>2712637Ollahooakbaring retards are only good burning flags and proooootesting in front of embassies.
Ollahoooakbaring retards are no different to libtard proooootesters in the USA.
>>2712837Mohamed Marandi was very confident about Iran’s ability to fight and defeat UsA-Israel.
Why is he begging for peace now?
Too many of the ollahooakbaring retards, they beat their chests and talk big until the war actually starts. Then they become cute wholesome kitties who appeal to the ‘international community’s’ ‘insaaaniyat’.
>>2712677>I wonder what the leftist discourse was in the West during the Iraq war and if it was okay to say that it's no big deal or even based because Iraq isn't communist or some shit.idk about "the west" but back then in america there was very few leftoids calling themselves socialist or communist. that sort of reawakening didn't start until the occupy wall street period, and even then it was still considered edgy. those who opposed the iraq war in america did it from various standpoints:
>it was unprovoked>they didnt do 9/11>bush just wants the oil>osama isnt in iraq wtf>bush just wants to finish his daddy's war>our troops will be sent back in boxes>it costs a lot of money while those who justified it said it was okay because "saddam is a dictator" who has "WMDs" and "our ally israel is threatened by them"
>>2712677>no big deal or even based because Iraq isn't communistexcept nobody said that. the point of contention is not whether the war is based or not (controversial take, it's bad) it is whether the iranian state possesses some progressive character from a socialist perspective (it never did) and whether it is worth arguing for as a "multipolar alternative to imperialism" (i don't think so).
>>2712637Maduro was Trotskyist, thoughbeit
>>2712677I know fellow millenials who killed people and did crazy shot up in those wars. Do you know any Russians from ypur SMO? I don't like to play that gane of why ain't you join, but like Me, my brother, we thought about joining even in the wars. I'm glad I didn't because I don't want to kill innocents or further the US's agenda. I guess it is easy to say because the risk is less with US military vs Iraqis vs Russians vs. Ukes, but you can still get fucked up by Hajis.
>>2712677> if it was okay to say that it's no big deal or even based because Iraq isn't communist or some shitSomething like the NATO bombings in Yugoslavia and Kosovo were much more similar to what your talking about i think. Tankies supported Milosevic and Serbia even though he wasnt communist, while the rest of the non-ML left was much more sympathetic to intervention.
1) All countries are capitalist, no exceptions.
2) All countries have imperialist ambitions. Only some are strong and competent enough to act upon them.
3) Communists fight against CAPITALISM (the disease), imperialism is a symptom of capitalism.
4) Therefore the duty of communists is to fight against the CAPITALISTS of their home country, not to SAPPOT the capitalists of this or that country.
>>2714271all correct, now let's see someone go mad over this
>>2714271How can you " fight" a mode of production?
>>2714284The same way liberals did with feudalism
>>2714315That's not fighting, thats theorizing, it doesn't do anything to change global relations
>>2714306They lead industrialization? What will communists lead to change the means of production?
>>2714317>>2714319First of all, let's see if you're arguing in good faith. Answer me this : should the working class of capitalist countries like Iran or Venezuela fight against their bourgeoisie, or should they support their bourgeoisie in a war?
>>2714319The answers to those questions are found in the ICP texts. After really reading them and understanding them, you get a clear idea of what communism is, and what should be done. You need to put effort and read.
>>2711696>maybeDo not lib here 🚫
Mandatory Lenin, yes? 💯
>>2711766p much, tho Vatican have found no oil on its territory… yet
Only spaghetti
>>2712417
True, pnly proletarian life does.
>>2712677I started channing back then. I was an anarchist (ancom). The "left" was completely united against the war on afghan/iraq, because the evidence of it being a farce was everywhere plus, and this is a big plus, even the democrats opposed it. Bush Jr years were different.
If you were a dem and said "ok, but I support stomping le terrorists" you were given 2 Wikileaks videos of the USA bombing weddings in iraq, 3 videos of bombing sheepherders in afghanistan, irrefutable evidence that the "wapponz of mass destructo" was a fabricationy and you were converted.
Oh yeah, Wikileaks was BIG back then.
I remember the last months of Bush Jr presidency and how jaded even the biggest republicans were. Everyone knew the dems are gonna win. Not even they defended the wars anymore.
It was a NATO shitshow, and even imperial-core countries had anti-US embassy protests, for example.
Anti-war protests in the USA reached tens of thousands participants per cities.
People had hope™ and then Obama raped it.
>>2712678Lemme guess
>Soup kitchans>Student "org">rentier "unions">etc.Completely meaningless pseudo-praxis.
>>2712699Have you considered that doing an illegal war is bad BUT them reactionary iraqis/afghans/syrians/iranians/REGIMES are bad too???????
gonna kms over OldBO not modding this site anymore, tbh.
lmao leftcoms are such a fucking joke
>>2714024In said vid zios were unironically saying "napalm palestine".
That vid goes hard
>>2714164>like Me, my brother, we thought about joining even in the wars…on which side?
>>2712837"Professor" Mamndani can suck a kokk
>>2714016>I'm also old enough to very very vaguely remember Clinton's fun wars One of my earliest memories. It was early in the night, I was a wee child then (somewhere between 4 and 5), and we were walking in the center park of Szeged, Hungary (Széchenyi square) with my dad, my 1-2yrs old little sis in the stroller, and then just suddenly incredibly loud noises came from the sky, and literally hundreds of fucking US bombers flew over us in 10 minutes, we watched them agape.
I asked my dad: 'the fuck is those' (or the 4 yrs old equivalent of that) and he said something like 'fucking Americans going to bonb our neighbour country, including fellow Hungarians living there.'
Looking back, anti-imperialism was instilled into me from a very young agey even tho my dad is and was a retarded conservatard.
In my teens I watched Pink Floyd's The Wall movie, and there's a scene in there w bombers littering the sky, and it immediately made me have a memory flashback to my earliest memory.
(I think the music track had this lyrics: "what shall.. we do… With empty… Spaces" or sg like that)
>>2714271>1) All countries are capitalist, no exceptions.Already empirically wrong, lmao.
>2) All countries have imperialist ambitions. Only some are strong and competent enough to act upon them.Liberal understanding of imperialism.
>3) Communists fight against CAPITALISM (the disease), imperialism is a symptom of capitalism.Highest stage, etc. (Read the book, fagLORD).
>4) Therefore the duty of communists is to fight against the CAPITALISTS of their home country, not to SAPPOT the capitalists of this or that country.Yadda yadda, RTFM or KYS (but preferably the latter).
>>2714356Lemme replicate leftcom posting RE:current imperialism
>BOTH SIDES BAD (CAPITALISM)>ONLY WORKERS CAN INTO ANTI-CAPITALISM>"theory" dump<gets crit>VALUE FORM!!! VALUE FORM!!!… how did I do?
Hate them. Tovthe wall they go, all of them. >>2714322The working class should support the revolutionary political leadership of those countries that are attempting to lead them out of capitalism (Chavistas in Venezuela and the Iranian Revolutinary Guard in Iran).
Iran has done more damage to Capital in the last 48 hours than leftcoms in their entire "history" lmfao
ziggas dont wanna hear this but burgers are about to experience en masse the frustrations that ziggas have been experiencing for the past 4 years and i think that's a really beautiful thing. ziggas and MAGA were always destined for each other like a yin-yang thing.
>>2714462>muh ziggersbrave and stunning
>>2714401A pink floyd classic, such a good song/music video. Remains ever relevant unfortunately
<did you ever wonder why we had to run for shelter when the promise of a brave new world unfurled beneath the clear blue sky? >>2714425you forgot the racism and smugness
>>2714481okay fine i'll call you Anglo-Z, does that make it better? does that make you feel better and feel like the hoho - I MEAN the dirty mudslimes are on their last ropes?
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2714493but he didn't
>2714560Life is timing.
I mean if it's a joke it's actually funny.
But generally they are beyond parody.
>>2714560what? I can't even understand what you are saying, anti-campists are starting to lose it fr fr
>>2714585i'm saying that burgers and russians are blood brothers now in flailing conflicts and both are dogs of the Zionists. if russians could've they would've sold out the CHinese and Iranians by now but MAGA is unable to get the Based Christian Alliance going for real
>>2714401pink floyd is based. iirc roger waters blame nato for ukraine
>>2714762This is stealth zigga cope. There is no comparison between Cucktin and Zion Don. If Cucktin was POTUS, there would have already been 200,000 US casualties in Venezuela and instead of dozens of top IR assassinations, he would be meeting the Ayatollah and talk about the "Spirit of Tehran" or something.
Actually you just gave me an idea. The solution to US imperialism is to find the American version of Cucktin and make him President.
>>2715065That might unironically be JB Pritzker
recent happenings in iran?
>>2715065>If Cucktin was POTUS, there would have already been 200,000 US casualties in Venezuela and instead of dozens of top IR assassinations, he would be meeting the Ayatollah and talk about the "Spirit of Tehran" or something.trvthnvke…
I wonder how those libs that thought the world was getting better feel now.
Looking at you steven pinker
>>2710932>muh nation *sharts*
>>2712677The only leftists to support the Iraq war are the ML party of Iraq and Iran's Islamists
The Iraqi Communist Party was actually expelled from many international orgs but they're back to being wholesome 100 campists now
>>2714455>CapitalYou mean "Capital" as in Marx's book, or capital as in financial assets?
>>2711779>anti imperialism isnt realare you ready to apologize to Iran or are you still in denial?
>>2711840lmao anti-campists were really posting graphics about how military contractors grift the federal goverment as proof the US was going to steamroll this shit or something
>>2714455>fighting capital is when you bomb gulf nationis this true socdemxisters?
Unequal Exchange: The Engine of Modern Imperialism
<Torkil Lauesen joins us to discuss his book Unequal Exchange: Past, Present, and Future and the hidden mechanics of modern imperialism. Lauesen returns to the tradition of Arghiri Emmanuel to argue that while the world market tends to equalize prices, wages remain radically unequal across borders – driving a structural transfer of value from low-wage production zones to high-wage consumer economies.
<We walk through Lauesen’s reconstruction of unequal exchange through Marx’s value theory, the leading approaches to measuring global value transfer, and what contemporary estimates imply about the scale of the drain. From there, we explore the political consequences inside the Global North: why reformism and social democracy have often been stabilized by imperial arrangements, what that means for internationalism, and why the “imperial mode of living” is increasingly unstable.
<Finally, we turn to the shifting world order – especially Lauesen’s argument that a new mode of production may be emerging, best exemplified by China – and what that implies for the future of capitalism, multipolarity, and socialist transition. We also discuss the ongoing war/conflict involving Iran and what it reveals about crisis, hegemony, and the changing methods of imperial power.
>>2710932>russophobia>sinophobiaImagine being scared of a chink or a rooskie, lol
Oriental despotism will be squashed by energetic Jews who will bring captialism
>>2750501Correct, read Engels on the Mexican American war
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