UK Government to Investigate Rising Antisemitism in Schools
>With 204 school-related antisemitic cases recorded last year, concerns are mounting over the safety and long-term future of Jewish school pupils and teachers in the UK.
>The British government has launched an independent review into antisemitism in England’s schools and colleges following a sharp rise in classroom-related incidents since the October 7th, 2023 Hamas pogrom in Israel.
Sometimes it takes a century to appreciate a painter’s work.
Is it anti-semitic to want to see Tel Aviv nuked?
>>2720247Oy vey, mate! It absolutely is! You can advocate for Fuckingham Pal-arse to be nuked by the ayyys from Alpha Centauri or le Ruzzians of Vladolf Putler and still be left alone by the state, even if you may encounter stern disapproval in polite society - circles of public school old boy nonces, that is - from that point on. But if you dare invoke anything bad on the absolutely pristine Only Democracy in the Middle East, you are literally on the same level of Adolf Hitler and all of the SS and that meets with no doubt the definition of anti-semitism as established by the Board of Directors of the Epstein-Mileikowski-Witkoff-Dershowitz Foundation.
Ah, and pronouncing Epstein like Ep-Shtain… Well, that's peak anti-semitism and you should be stoned to death according to Old Testament custom.
>>2720193???
>>2720247Starmer will personally prosecute you
>>2720103I'm not teledildonic, I just don't like liars and cheats. Really not my problem if the trotter fits
Fuck jews and their stupid feelings, JEWS ARE BOERS, THEY’RE THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE
>>2720444has anyone in the mainstream dared to bring up the potential for a conflict of interest? I wonder what his wife whispers into his ear at night?
>>2721957gen alpha moment
Here is ex-Labour PM Clement Attlee (c. 1945-51) opposing the UK's admission into the EU. It should be said that it was conservatives like Churchill who in 1946 promoted the idea of a "United States of Europe" (1946), later setting up the "Council of Europe" (1949) and promoting a European army (this was all part of Churchill's post-war paranoia about the USSR, with such declassified absurdities as "Operation Unthinkable", 1945, as the draft of a plan to invade the USSR after defeating Germany - a plan which seems to similarly fuel Western Europe's current metaphysical Russophobia - It should be said that a united Europe was the Aristocratic vision of Friedrich Nietzsche, continued into Julius Evola). The UK only joined the EEC (EU) under the Conservative government of Edward Heath in 1973. Another Labour man, Tony Benn, was a lifelong "Eurosceptic", til his death in 2014. A "Blue Labour" man Maurice Glasman is also a Eurosceptic, who supported Brexit because he thought it could offer Socialism. The old Left then seems to be Eurosceptical, while the newer Left takes an uncritical submission to it.
>>2722136>opposing the UK's admission into the EU*EEC
>>2722160Read a bit further…
>>2722161>Europe's current metaphysical Russophobiacan't be that bad, they are still buying their gas from the buggers
>>2722136Nothing is left of the commonwealth but animosity towards anglos. Maybe the whites in Canada and Australia like it.
>>2722136The EEC and the EU are two separate things. It is the classic 'foot in the door' manipulation
>>2722136- The actually-existing anti-EU movement today is overwhelmingly reactionary, whatever the stance of the old left. Maurice Glasman is a case in point: a reactionary little creep who meets with Steve Bannon and was one of many influences on Morgan McSweeney's quest to destroy the Labour party by having it crib Enoch Powell (also anti-EEC, though arguably still in a less reactionary way than today's Brexiteers)
- The stance of the old left is what it is mostly because they were British nationalists (or, contrary to today's right-wing LARP, nation builders ), old Labour was always more about building a British national economy (with nationalisation as a means to an end) than socialism or even social democracy.
(Read Edgerton's "rise and fall of the British nation" for more)
>>2722177Bollocks, pro-EEC and anti-EEC campaigners both talked of a United States of Europe. If there are any grounds for Yes voters to fairly complain, it is that instead of a US of Europe we got a half-measures. Monetary union but no serious fiscal union. An executive appointed by national governments instead of elected by the bloc as a whole either via parliament or via presidential type elections. A joke.
"We weren't warned!!" Is boomer cope. You can cheer Tony Benn's anti-EEC views or you can say people weren't warned but you can't have both.
Bridget Philipson looks like some bourgeois Maia Sandu larper
>>2722615>pro-EEC and anti-EEC campaigners both talked of a United States of Europeyeah as a trade bloc.
Once the EEC became the EU, it got too big for its boots and started meddling with social affairs, this is what people wanted rid of when they "voted to leave" <spoiler>we never left shit</spoiler>
>>2722720the decision to enter the EEC was not passed by the people via a vote as it was seen as a purely economic decision. That should be your clue.
Leaving the EU became a whole song and dance because of how far they had slipped their greasy little trotters under all of our tables.
>>2722720If you think trade bloc" when someone says "united states of Europe" then you're evidently unfamiliar with the United states of America.
>>2722734It wasn't passed by the people because a national referendum is a relatively alien device to the British constitution, traditionally regarded as a tool of cranks and demagogues in contrast to our own enlightened parliamentary governance.
We are not the USA. "We, the people" means nothing here. This is a kingdom at the leisure of a parliament, and parliament chose to join the EEC. We didn't have a referendum on leaving the empire either!
>>2722746The concept of the EEC was to enable Europe to compete with the U.S
>a national referendum is a relatively alien device to the British constitutionyes very convenient. But if you are going to argue that any modern government would 'take us out of the EU' without putting it to some form of vote, then you are a lying bastard. That is the difference, because it had become intertwined with people's identity. It was no longer just simply a pragmatic decision.
>>2722755The EEC was just one of several institutions designed to bring European unification. Even the coal and steel community was about more than coal and steel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe_DeclarationThat referenda have become an established way to (mostly) fuck around and dodge decisions you don't want to make (AV, Cameron's intention with the EU vote) or to legitimate decisions already taken (EEC, Scottish/Welsh devolution) is not in question. Nevertheless, they remain a European device imported after we joined the EEC, not something traditionally "British"
It became a question of identity because meaningful sources of said identity were destroyed. "Britain" used to mean something, back when it existed as a meaningful economic entity (something destroyed by Thatcher, not Europe.) Now the best definition the worst voters in the country can dig up is "British means not European"
All this to say: go read rise and fall of the British nation.
The Based "Old Left" was only Eurosceptic because a united Europe was the scary diddy hitler project from Evropa: The Last BBC in their eyes not because of anything youre talking about. And they were very stupid.
>"errr actually REAL SOCIALISM cant be done when thing too big n strong, big thing r evil it's like lölbënsräüm lads… real socialism is like… strong virile LOCAL communes with manly LOCAL great leader selling beans n reece pies… mate"
This is litteraly what Georg Galloway believes.
>>2722921The people whose identity was based on being an EU member are the pompous, self-righteous, trendy-self-loathing, soft-handed luvvies who hate England and its people by rote. Does it say that in your book? If it does I'll give it a read. Until then I will form my own ideas based on the things I observe for myself.
>>2723210No European country, no matter how great they used to be pre-WWII will ever matter again on the global scale outside of their aging soft-power relics mate. The EU in it's current itteration is an Amerigolem but the concept of uniting most euro countries eventually is unevitable if we dont want to be turned into dominos or become cold Dubais for parasitic foreign elites.
It's crazy that only nazis and center-left lgbt people realize this.
If you want to see how the UK alone would fare in case an actual great contemporary power wants to loot it's shit just look at Iran or Venezuela.
>>2723214if by those words you actually mean "control over immigration and who is allowed to be expelled" and "constantly remind countries that they need to kill their social services in the name of growth or else they're gonna get fined" (not that the UK need someone to tell them lol) I agree (obviously it's not what you mean)
>>2723215and yet here we are acting as the world police, with enough overseas territories to simply give away at huge expense. Weiirrrrd. Europe is a very special place in terms of history and culture, and it's a fucking tragedy what the EU has done to it in the last 40 years.
>>2723216I mean 'they got too big for their boots'.
>>2723214EU could post agartha: the last bbc edits all day and anti-EU uyghas would still hate it and call it Woke because all they actually want is to turn their countries into "local authentic!!" tax heavens out of nostalgia. They want a simulation not actually be strong.
Anti-EU uyghas want their country to become a fusion of Dubain and Buthan where people dress in traditional costumes and have no hard-power.
if you open your eyes, you'll see the same strategy over and over again. If you want to gain control, without overthrowing government, all you need to do is rule by committee
>>2720247It is McArthur coded
>>2723227They unironically have for uighurs lmao
>>2723227Yes you moron
So did the USSR
>>2723210Most normal people didn't care either way about Europe until old idiots dragged us out of it because they hate the world they built.
If you love
England then you should hate Britain. Like Scotland it lives inside the ruins of a failed postwar nation building project. Unlike Scotland, isn't peripheral to it, and as such arrogantly confabulates the two.
Multiculturalism would be a valid replacement for postwar nationalism, but no politicians have ever believed in it. Blair's great failure as a neolib is that he was too willing to pander to old prejudices to be a multiculturalist and too multiculturalist to be a nationalist. Doing something properly is better than doing two things badly.
Really: read the book. It has no love for Britain joining the EEC and ends prior to Brexit.
>>2723216The EU had no way over non-EU migration and UK governments have proven no better - really, worse - at managing immigration. Why have poles when you can have Indians? (And don't kid yourself, that's the imperial/commonwealth bargain)
As a matter of constitutional law parliament could always have legislated contrary to EU rules. The worst the EU could do would be to impose penalties less severe than the consequences of leaving. (Remember, they tried to punish Austria for electing a far right party in the 1990s and it was a total flop.)
It is the impotence of the EU that makes it such a pathetic foe. America oppresses Britain, the EU just sat there and let itself be blamed for domestic policy failures and the entirely unrelated ECHR.
Which is a lot of words to not say: lexit was irrelevant and the fact the left opposed joining the EEC doesn't mean it should support leaving the EU. The result of doing so is not the
status quo ante c. 1975, it is a pile of new costs and an empowered reactionary right (as they find that Brexit actually changed nothing) for zero practical gain.
If a future left wing government somehow needed to leave the EU it could always have done so. Leaving in 2016 with none of the groundwork laid is submitting to voluntary wallet inspection.
>>2723357>Which is a lot of words to not say: lexit was irrelevant and the fact the left opposed joining the EEC doesn't mean it should support leaving the EU. The result of doing so is not the status quo ante c. 1975, it is a pile of new costs and an empowered reactionary right (as they find that Brexit actually changed nothing) for zero practical gain. >If a future left wing government somehow needed to leave the EU it could always have done so. Leaving in 2016 with none of the groundwork laid is submitting to voluntary wallet inspection.With the Consrvative precident, a left wing government would've had to spend its entire first term in power (5 years) trying to finalise leaving the EU. That's before being able to put new policies into place and seeing their benefit - ripe for getting kicked out at the nearest election.
Leaving the EU was framed as a once in a generation opportunity, it would have been stupid not to take it when it was on offer.
If anything we struck gold in having the Conservatives take the (inevitable) hit from the initial fallout of leaving an economic bloc we were part of for 40 years. The issue was the Left never took power (with the primary reason for this being Jeremy Corbyn capitulating to Starmer and McDonnell and choosing to change his position in 2019 to consider a 2nd referendum) to capitalise on the opportunity.
But the opportunity is still there should a left wing party choose to take advantage of it.
Of course, there are no viable left wing parties - with the Greens being closest, and bizarrely wanting to re-join despite everything the UK has gone through from the build-up to, and result of, the initial referendum.
tl;dr already being out of the EU puts a future left wing government in a position to take advantage of the opportunities offered, without the issue of having to actually spearhead the widely divisive decision to leave and manage its subsequent fallout
>>2723437ah yes here it is.
I'm not talking about Zhuang vs Han Chinese, I mean proper in your face, can't-talk-about-anything-else-part-of-their-identity-to-be-contrarian-tool-of-the-opressor-one-in-every-advert, diversity quotas
>>2723437Sorry chvddie, ussr was a dei empire
And they beat the racial purity empire
>>2723465but putin is a fascist?
gosh my brain hurts from all of this doublespeak
>>2723357>Most normal people didn't care either way about Europe presenting opinion as fact
>If you love England then you should hate Britain.a false dichotomy
>postwar nationalismeverything is post war, wars have happened since we had sharp sticks
>Really: read the book.judging from how fucked up and manipulative your ideas are, it's a thankyou no from me
>parliament could always have legislated contrary to EU rules.yeah like that time parliament made an agreement with the EU that they would taper down North Sea fishing over 5 years and then fck off altogether, but they just didn't do it
>doesn't mean it should support leaving the EUwe never left the EU, nothing has effectively changed, we could slide ourselves back in and it wouldn't take 5+ years to do it.
>>2723474Putin is not a fascist he is a libtard.
>>2723535Possibly the last person in the world who sincirely believes in liberalism
>>2722615As far as I know, anti-EU sentiment only became reactionary after 2004, when Blair allowed for many Eastern European immigrants into the UK, and this all spiralled into Brexit, which over 4 years (2016-2020) reversed net immigration from the EU and spiked non-EU immigration, now leading to open Racism, and the demands to leave the ECHR.
>>2723488You reply in this nitpicking style because you have no coherent argument or worldview. When confronted with mine, that's the best you can do. Your desperation and your inability to learn are small flaws compared to how fucking ugly your post is. Contextless greentext nitpicking is bad enough, but fucking
Mir had less space around it than your paragraphs.
I will engage only one point: it is not a false dichotomy to say that England and Britain are in conflict. England cannot even coherently see itself as England so long as it is trapped in the ruins of Britain. Like Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia before it, this multinational state absent a functioning multinational economy is doomed.
>>2723728if you have internalised misogyny and imagine that the height of a woman's value is to be a life-long prostitute, i suppose you would say that capitalism is good for women
>>2723690all of my siblings left for *shudders* England but i was the only one to remain in Latvia. A year after leaving, my older brother had returned. He didn't want to talk about it.
>>2723732>life-long prostitute I'd rather not be a slut. I'm not selling myself to sexualisation and STDs. I'd rather die in the forest, with Laima smiling down at me
>>2723690I remember being glad we didn't switch to Euro money, but I wonder what the reason for it was? Too many assets, and too many angles for the bankers already tied up in the Pound?
>>2723695part of my worldview is that the EEC and EU are different things. I've demonstrated this, so what else is there for me to do?
>>2723968That is of almost no relevance to anything and is, in any case, mostly pendantry. (Are BOAC and British Airways "separate things" and is this at all relevant to questions of aviation policy?)
>>2724009
yeah one of these things is not like the other
one of them people got sick of
the other they didn't
>>2724012>>2724014I mean usually when two things are the same you call them the same thing. Are you a long wiper or something?
Gas prices are up 72%. We are getting fascism.
>>2724023
notice how we understand that liquid petrol is not being referred to? That's useful isn't it?
>>2724020Wouldn't this be good for Scotland because of North Sea oil? I didn't think natural gas was scarce.
>>2723306>>2723555Aww that's lovely, community murals like this are great.
>>2724048
bit racist
>>2723728>sexual freedomdid she just teleport in from the 1800's?
no-one gives a shit any more, congrats, I hope her anal integrity holds out
>>2724050it is very sweet
>>2724019>>2724014People didn't get sick of BOAC, they merged it with another relevant entity (BEA) to better achieve its end goal. However you slice it, it's just Britain's national airline.
To argue people liked the EEC but got mad at the EU is basically incoherent on anything but chronological grounds: the EEC expanded into social and labour policy long before the single European act. Insofar as the EEC was not a natural prototype for the EU, it's only because the EU is a total flop at its purpose.
You should state your basic thesis clearly. Mine is as follows: joining the EEC was a mistake, leaving was also a mistake, and in the middle the nation that joined ceased to meaningfully exist. It has gained nothing from withdrawing and anyone who gets too invested in the question either way (FBPE or Brexiteer) is an imbecile. (My investment, ultimately, is in domestic politics. Polling is clear that the old left Brexiteers all died or emigrated leaving behind cunts. The future lies with remain-sympathetic leftists.)
Rejoining won't happen. Even the EU isn't stupid enough to let a country dumb enough to join and then leave
rejoin.
>>2724183>BOACI don't know what that is, I also don't really care what that is
>To argue people liked the EECNot what I'm saying, again, you are being manipulative
>Polling (political)should be illegal, democracy stands to gain nothing from giving a select few the power to glean and the power to influence voter's intent.
>Rejoining won't happenwe never left
Okay here is my 'thesis': Trusting other people is a mistake, trusting jews is a deathwish.
>>2724215
America starts obnoxiously chanting USA USA USA
What should Europe chant? (Yes it really is that animalistic, that's how it works)
>>2724225
Maybe they should switch to Mandarin?
>>2724231*challenges you to a body popping battle
>>2724230
I think even harfbuzz would collapse
>>2724213If you haven't picked BOAC up via cultural osmosis you're a worked example of the death of the British nation. Very funny.
>>2724451I guess I'm not as smart as you think I am
>>2724451>gatekeepingis a form of manipulation
Corbyn wing takes over Your Party and completely zombifies it:
https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1575/definitely-his-party-now/RIP YP
>>2723728She is correct about point 1, 2 and 4. Which make her more rational and truthful than most of her fellow travellers.
I have a hard time to sparse how point 4 would work with their argument that übertrans CONQUERED NOT STOLE 6 million gold medals from womyn however.
>>2724056Debatable honestly. The anti-sex counter revolution lead by feminists and christians since the AIDS epidemic mostly worked.
It just turned prosocial vitalistic sex havers into antisocial shameful onanistes with their sexual imagination handled to them by porn producers instead of developping organically irt to their environement. Debased from previous generation onanists.
Ironically only gay guys ended up not being affected by sex negativism and theyve become one if the least atomised and most succesfull demographic. They're the only perverts left.
>>2725272>The anti-sex counter revolution lead by feminists and christians since the AIDS epidemic mostly worked.Bruh you can't even say this with a straight face what are you doing.
>>2725288Name 5 people who've had sex in the past year.
>>2725289>>2725291Name 5 times your local church or feminist organization has stopped you from having sex.
>>2725293It's a cultural fight theyve won, not top-down lawfare. Anti-sex feminism and anti-sex christianity won.
>>2725298>It's a cultural fight theyve wonuyghur you can go to a bar every day of the week and there will be people hitting on each other. you turn on the tv and it's all netflix slop encouraging one night stands. you go to a gas station and look at the magazines and half of them are women in provocative poses wearing skimpy outfits. the christians and anti-sex feminists were BTFO so hard that 70% of people wouldn't even know what the word "chastity" means if you asked them in a random street interview.
>>2725314thats true but the victories they have managed are pretty impressive, you can still get fired at work for just trying to hit on someone in a non gross way, you will be called a nonce if you have sex with a 16/17 year old (even though that's totally legal), there were thousands of commenters saying that the guy who recently got murdered by a group of teens because he gave his number to a 16 year old had it coming
the government is now about to ban all porn involving 'step relations' and 'adults trying to look like children' (does that mean all DDLG/ABDL is banned? probably).
>>2725337you'll also get called a nonce if you sleep with a 21 year old if you're 35. oh and in another episode of 'young people are unpersons', the government is soon going to introduce the insane idea of banning everyone who is currently under 18 from EVER buying cigarettes (even though this was already tried in australia and dropped after 2 years because it was unworkable)
not to mention the porn ID shit where we all have to give our data to peter thiel to look at it. soon they'll probably make it so all mainstream websites require you to give ID even if it's nothing to do with adult content, so that you can't be critical of israel anywhere without the police giving you a visit.
tldr fuck evangelicals, fuck terfs, fuck swerfs, fuck soccer moms whose cunts are dry and old men whose dicks dont work anymore writing the laws about sex, and fuck young people trying to reintroduce the hayes code too
>>2725298>>2725272Most delulu thing i read ITT in a while.
I was wrong aboot multiculturalism, yanks out!
>>2726012needed the airbases though didn't you? you fat cunt. It's going to be so fucking funny as this war inevitably descends into a nightmare unwinnable guerilla battle and he is left holding the baby.
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54243-uk-public-opinion-on-the-us-iran-conflictsome fun numbers
main one for "Politics just reflects personality/disposition" being that
reform voters are the least sympathetic towards those stuck in Dubai. this is odd to explain politically (you'd think greens would like tax-dodging expat wankers less than reform types), but trivial to explain if you notice that Reform voters are just
unsympathetic to others in general, no matter who they are, as a matter of disposition.
>>2726062perhaps the phrase "you've made your bed" can explain it?
>>2726062I am like this byt still ended on the left
>>2723728>TERFNo she isn't. She's just a Conservative Girlboss.
TERFs are unanimously opposed to Prostitution, Sex "Work" and Pornography. Most big TERF orgs were born out members of the CPGB as well so not that positive on Capitalism.
>>2726012Shit is pure Kayfabe. Government is already letting the US engage in logistics and terror bomb directly from our bases.
If you believe reports as well, Starmer was also pro-war from the get go.
>Starmer was supported by John Healey, the Defense Secretary, but “Reeves and Miliband made it quite difficult for the Prime Minister.” The discussion came down to the legality and whether “a positive relationship with the United States of America was a good thing right now for the party. And many people concluded that it was not.”>But security sources are clear that Miliband, in particular, took a “petulant, pacifist, legalistic and very political” approach, questioning why the UK should support the US. “He fundamentally doesn’t like Trump, and he doesn’t like this Iran thing,” one says. As Labour leader in 2013, Miliband thwarted attempts by David Cameron to bomb Syria after the Assad regime used chemical weapons; many in Westminster regard this as a shameful episode. “He probably thinks it was a success,” the source adds. >>2726823TERFs defined by transphobia, not any other position you can find TERFs of all creeds from natsocs to labourites - as such a range of positions is a given.
>>2726823you say this because you identify with TERFism and wish to define it prescriptively rather than descriptively.
(i say this descriptively, with no malice.)
>>2726856this isn't strictly true. TERFism is best understood as a specific movement (which would self-identify as "gender critical", but you're under no obligation to show courtesy to those who refuse it to others) of people with a specific set of extremely online brainworms which came to real prominence in the 2010s with only tenuous links to historical trans-exclusionary radfems.
the transphobia of 2000s britain wasn't TERFism, it was just transphobia. many of the people responsible for its pop-cultural manifestations would go on to become TERFs when they got called out on it later, but
at the time it was culturally normal, not its own weird little subculture as it is now.
as a politics, its defining feature is that it is a
dominant political ideology. that is to say: if you have a communist TERF, (s)he will ally with a conservative TERF over a communist transwoman. this isn't unique to TERFism: scottish nationalism used to be like this. the more conservative parts of the SNP were still inclined to ally with the socially progressive Greens because both agreed on independence, rather than conservative parts of the SNP aligning with the conservatives and Greens aligning with the progressive parts of Labour / Lib Dems as you'd expect if things were done on an issue by issue basis.
as we now see, though, TERFism trumps Scottish Nationalism, so that SNP TERFs ally with conservatives/labour/lib dems over progressives in their own party.
like many things, this might be explained by a dispositional theory of politics. pro/anti-trans selects most strongly for the most salient personality differences today. given a person's score for Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism you could predict with remarkable accuracy their views on gender issues, and perhaps even distinguish between a guy who doesn't like transgenderism because he's 85 and still dislikes it the way he'd have disliked it 40 years ago, and a woman who doesn't like transgenderism because she's 40 and fell down an online rabbit hole.
(as an aside: i don't think personality would predict scottish nationalism with anything like the same accuracy, which makes it very odd and perhaps explains why it was briefly unassailable, then immediately crippled by a dispositional split. i would speculate this is because it's really two separate movements. partially the pre-2011 nationalists, who go for scottish nationalism out of a strong sense of being scottish, not british, and partially the post-2007/11 nationalists, who were won over by the SNP/Greens being the most progressive parties in town and independence just happening to be the way they promised that "better things are possible", beating Corbyn to the punch in Scotland.)
>>2726856TERFs are radical feminist. No Radical Feminist worth their salt is pro-sex work or prostitution. TERFs got attacked and forced out of at London Pride for their criticism of Sex Work and Pornography of all things hilariously enough.
>>2726883The reason TERFs will side with Conservative feminists is really just simple, they are Feminists first and foremost and put Womens issues first above everything.
Same reason I've long rallied against the left doing it's nonsense hijacking of other political activist groups because those people will always side with their pet issue above Socialism.
>>2726823>No she isn't. She's just a Conservative Girlboss.That's why her xeet was suspiciously less retarded than one would assume from a radfem.
>>2726893your model doesn't describe why TERFs* regularly side with conservative non-feminists. Adnan Hussein, for example, voted against decriminalizing late abortions (in keeping with his self-described social conservatism) but, because he was also anti-trans (and, helpfully, used the anti-trans language of TERFs rather than talking about god), TERFs went to bat for him. in Scotland, nationalist TERFs supported not-proven, "inappropriate, but not criminal" sex offender Alex Salmond over girlboss feminist Nicola Sturgeon because Salmond was cynically willing to pander to their anti-transgender politics and Sturgeon was not.
TERF behavior is best modeled by assuming "anti-transgender" positions trump "pro cisgender women" positions. (just as, in Scotland, Scottish Labour prefer "anti-SNP" positions to "pro-social democratic" positions.)
unless we model things relatively. e.g. if a policy hurts both cis and trans women, but hurts trans women more, it is relatively speaking a policy to advantage cis women, like in the lee atwater quote.*which we still define differently. i refer to actually-existing TERFism / "gender critical" types. if we go for
true trans-exclusionary radfems, we're talking about ~50 people, maybe 15-20 of whom control their power level to advance feminist ends. since most people use the term more broadly to describe a still-coherent but much larger group of people focused on anti-trans politics, i use the broader definition.
when you're at the beach, sometimes you've got to call a
plastic handheld shovel a spade.
pet issues aren't really a big problem (you either stay quiet and let them pass you by, make your pet issue the main game in town, or adopt a novel organizational structure), the big problems of the left are finding ways of effectively organizing the people that leftism selects for: high openness, middling to low conscientiousness, high agreeableness (no, really), and neurotic as hell.
>>2726893TERFs arent radical feminists though, more nazi-liberal.
maybe radlib lol.
They are a thoroughly right wing liberal-idpol manifestation of the petite-bougie conservative women type.
>>2726961> Azealia Banks reaction to Cardi B fighting Nicki Minaj at Fashion Week NYC “the girls are fighting!”This is what you watch? Embarrassing cunt.
>>2726975Curb your autism.
>>2726961This tbh. Not even an anti-feminist it's just that it acomplished it's goals a decade ago and what remain is a sick gender-zionism parody of the what it was, only invocated when for (((foreign policy reasons))) or when it's to enact sadism on young men/transgenders as well as redistributing well earned male wages into unhearned low-productivity women's welfare.
It's not even as honorable as real zionism because actual zios but get themselves blown up by hamas/iran for the cause while feminists just outsource the work to the moidgolems legal system.
Sensible Feminism only makes sense in the subcontinent and Africa in 2026 because the pagan misoginy in these place is too crazy.
>>2726957they are radical feminists, because radical feminists have always been reactionary, even the ones that didn't hate transgender people are just fucked up in another way
>>2726999Yeah exactly. The idea that radical feminism would be good IF it was pro-trans is about as retarded as terfism. It's a cancerous idea meant to appeal to raped transbians who have troll remorse for saying the word bitch on fortnite when they were 13. It's interpersonnal status issues as politics, it's gay uygha.
>>2727000They have a pagan misoginy mindset where woman is a subhuman instead of something to protect from worldly corruption and their irrationality. That's why they do selective abortions of female fetuses and shit. If they had the tech they would biologically remove females entirely.
>>2727015Taliban or Chabad misoginy is distasteful but it's far from being as moraly degenerate as Hindu/Asiatic misoginy. uyghas were given access to echography and abortion in 1995 and started doing Total Foid Death immediately.
his mind boggles at questions over the legality of his war
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxp780xvrobut you chudcels need to realise that attack is the best form of defence, and surprise is the best form of attack, ipso facto never forget the real victims in all of this.
>>2727025That's because you need to pay the family of the guy that marry your daughter, and on top of that she will live with her husband to take care of their family later in life
A rational decision in an insane society
>>2727364 (me)
Was also the case in china before they absolutely destroyed that nonsense btw
>>2727366yes we know it was you Malala, why don't you give your peace prize to trump as well?
>>2727022You do NOT have permission to post pictures of my wife and child
>>2727399looks like megamind missed the tit
>>2727402He’s got the nipple off to the left side like a cool guy with a cigarette, what you’re seeing at the corner is the areola
>>2727405uhuh, and is that a Badly Drawn Boy CD in your missus' gob?
>>2727438Ask her yourself if you’re not a wimp
>>2727480Why the fuck are you posting this here
>>2727484I would offer the word 'assassinate' but the media avoided it so strongly after Charlie Kirk got done in I thought better of it
>>2727487Fuck off you yankee-brained cunt.
You lot realise that by the definitions you use for 'TERFs', the majority of the population, and indeed the Left, are 'TERFs' right?
>inb4 mangled stats from Stats For Lefties and Novara Media on this that don't show the polling question breakdowns
Its extraordinary the degree to which not being pro trans stuff is the actual red line for so many UK lefty activists, as opposed to anything else. It is more central to their political identity and project than almost anything else (let alone class stuff) and they don't even know it.
>>2728121It’s a pretty good litmus test tbh
If someone crossdressing or doing body modification bothers you to the point where you feel they need to be repressed like criminals that’s on you, that’s YOUR mental illness, not theirs
>>2728121>the majority of the populationA majority of people literally don't care about this issue. It's like 100th on the list of issues people face (unless you're literally trans yourself and face active daily hostility because of state policies / right wing media propaganda)
Anyway, the real point here is that it does not matter what percentage of people believe in a certain position or belief. It has no impact on how correct they are. It means nothing as a point.
The majority of the world's population believe in the Abrahamic god. from roughly 500 CE up to 1821 CE, 99% of Europeans believed in a geocentric model of the universe.
It wouldn't matter if 99% of people wanted trans people violently assaulted just for existing (Glinner and Posie Parker both literally call for this btw), doesn't make it a valid or scientifically grounded position.
>>2728169This tbh. And i wouldve called you an idpozzed libtard for saying this back in 2018 but we have all seen what "im a BASED oldtranshumanist unc leftist who dont like gender ideology!" have turned into and how they wrecked any parties they touched. Pure AIDS.
Gender Critical leftists are all insane turncoats politically and human cancer on a personnal lever. Polchuds are more respectable principled people by a lot.
>>2728121>"the majority of the golems disagrees with you!! also white people being piece of shit n womyn being queen is what being a leftist is REALLY about!"Profound. Actually Existing Oldtranshumanist unc leftism in action.
Oldtranshumanist unc leftism is like: "yeah being a leftist is about giving infinity welfare to single mothers, pensioners and BAME folx and it's GLORIOUS… until gender ideology ruined it… Developement? Reducing work hours? Gene editing? Uhhh you need to have a normal one dude"
To the grnder critical oldtranshumanist unc leftist we must VOTE for the most reactionary Israeli agent availlable so he finally make it illegal for trans women to enter Greggs. Everything else is secondary, therefore this is what gender critical leftism is like.
>>2728121The definition I use for a TERF would not apply to most of society. Most of society has a sort of background transphobia that melts on contact with an actual person, much like homophobia a little while ago, or indeed like most ambient racism. ("they're all like that, aren't they? well, obviously i don't mean
you")
TERFism is a much more active dislike than that, it is the kind of thing that would motivate you to be actually nasty. It is like active white nationalism against the generic prejudices i've just mentioned
Because TERFs have their own ideolect, it's even easy to define them by how they speak. "Tr*nny" is just a transphobic slur and could be said by any member of the public. Someone who says "gender critical", "transhumanist", "AGP", etc, is an extremely online TERF freak. Most of the British public may indulge the former, but not the latter.
It's a red line because it is the best divider between people of certain dispositions. If you are low openness and low agreeableness, you will hate trans people (not open to them breaking social convention, not agreeable enough to just stay quiet) and you will not get on with everyone else. The dispositional problem is a much bigger one than the political issue, because it means you can't handwave it away. The low agreeableness TERF will not control their power level, while the high-openness, high-agreeableness pro-trans person will not accept closed mindedness or violation of their expectation that people behave agreeably. These are not people who would get along even if god himself came down and solved the problem.
p.s. In practice, the wreckers are always TERFs. They are dispositionally suited to actual wrecking (e.g. not just starting drama on twitter) and they've got people who'll fund their wrecking campaigns. They wrecked the SNP, and they're currently trying to wreck the Greens. (They're suing the party because a TERF stall wasn't allowed at the last Green conference. If they win, perhaps they'll set a precedent that parties should have no say whatsoever on their policies and the oil industry should also be allowed a stall, due to their equality act protected belief that oil is ontologically wonderful…)
For all the whining of Twitter users, pro-trans people are regularly willing to compromise in practice. (of course they are, they're
agreeable)
Scotland is, as always, a good test case here: Most trans people in Scotland are tacitly hoping for a SNP government to win the next Scottish election, and will vote SNP in their constituency and Green on the party list knowing it will lead to that end, even though the SNP has quietly thrown them under the bus while overseeing a 200+ year waiting list for the glasgow gender clinic. Meanwhile, TERF nationalists will advocate voting for unionist parties alongside their TERF unionist allies because the SNP hasn't grovelled to them and become a TERF party itself.
The "trans rights" voter can be compromised down to "just don't say total transhumanist death", the "my equality act protected philosophical belief in total transhumanist death" voter is implacable.
>>2728628just say it… feminists ruin everything.
>>2728121most people are not "radical feminists"
>>2728720Stuart Campbell and Graham Linehan are not feminists lol
Aaron Bastani retweeting Nick Fuentes is a W
>>2728724TERF hasn't implied radical feminists for over a decade
Is bongland really as bad as this thread? You guys literally talk about nothing bit terfs, swerfs, nerfs, uyghurs, BAMErs, Asian rape gangs.
Do you guys not have one bright spot in your lives? Anything at least mildly humorous to talk about?
BBC published an article trying to spin China's outlawing of local anti-miscegenation customs which prohibited mixed race marriages as if it's a genocidal evil communist act of cultural erasure.
Whatever issues China may legitimately have, trying to sell anti-race mixing laws as a good thing in 2026 is so far out there I have no clue how the BBC get away with this shit.
Source:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6271gxpdkzo>>2729280I cant speak for others here but my life is a living hell and I no longer have any fear of death.
Genuinely hate how this "Starmer is keeping us out, we're only doing defensive strikes in Iran!" bullshit has actually worked. Australia and Canada are copying it now.
>>2729280Most of the UK is in a pretty fucking miserable state materially and socially.
Honestly most of the UK is basically
>Shithole city that is falling apart, city is filled with antisocial BAMEs and ethnic enclaves, has terrible expensive public transport and no ability to escape people.>Suburbia filled with asocial Gen X'ers and nosy karen boomers.>Village filled with karen boomers and nothing happens ever.There are good places to live in the UK (Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds, Bristol, Brighton) where you can escape to the Mendips, Cotswalds, Peaks pretty easily and they have young, outgoing populations. But people are getting price out of everywhere now because boomers realise they can gouge young people with obnoxious expensive HMOs who have no other choice.
You also have to remember, most people online basically live in London and London is an obnoxious tedious shithole of a city, awash with rampant crime that is so bad there seems to be a genuine blackout of reporting on it in media and statistics. (Train robberies on the tube and underground of carraiges, constant random daily stabbings in public, tube, overground, stations etc).
London violent/antisocial crime is so out of control even the Chinese talk about it.
http://xhslink.com/o/1yDJdBZSqIL>>2730264BBC spearheads all the anti-china bullshit, they came up with the Uyghur Genocide.
>>2730265lmao
I got out of the shower this morning and though, "yeah I've had enough of this lark"
what has wrecking zultana been doing lately?
>>2729280it's miserable but none of those things are why.
the reason britain is miserable is because it has no real economy. not "oh, waah, waah, we're a service economy, waaah, i have to go to the office",
that would be fine. we've even fucked that up. real wages have been stagnant for nearly 20 years. the last thing we had was being the crooked bank of Europe, and we decided to quit that because boomers were nostalgic for 1971 and didn't like immigrants.
most of poland is richer than at least one part of Britain.
moreover, our relative cultural status is in freefall. in 2007 we may have had a war criminal bastard man as a leader, but we could smugly look over at the US (who we were only a little bit poorer than) and laugh because at least our war criminal bastard man wasn't a bible-thumping mentally retarded war criminal bastard man. american liberals used to look wistfully at us for being smart, sophisticated types. now everyone knows we're actually a poor reactionary little shithole willing to kneecap ourselves for no reason and incapable of producing anything of cultural value higher than a podcast.
american libs even got a few months of feeling smug that we were dumb enough to vote Leave before Trump was elected, and even then Trump #1 didn't do any real economic damage.
>>2730328london is nowhere near that bad and crime (even anti social behavior) gives the wrong impression of our problems. if you want our problems, they are a bleak postwar housing estate full of white people and damp with a rusted millennium sculpture somewhere in the middle.
you can move away from an unsafe area, you cannot move away from a dysfunctional national economy. (well, you can move to ireland. nowhere else, though. used to be all of europe, but they've closed that escape valve so now only smart, skilled people get to leave.)
Have any of you (or know anone) gotten A-levels as adults? How is it? How are the providers, etc?
How libbed up are these courses? Will i need to do a lot of gritting my teeth and writing things i don't believe to be true?
Thinking about it, didn't finish school and get qualifications and all that, so thought it'd be nice.
>>2730470I did, it did not go well
you tend to have no time to do all the shit you took for granted the first time round
>>2730771>you tend to have no time to do all the shit you took for granted the first time roundwhat do you mean, sorry?
>>2720103>204 school-related antisemitic cases recorded last yearThe kids are going to be alright.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-uk-military-intelligence-figures-backing-pro-israel-regime-change-in-iran/British military and intelligence officials have worked with an anti-Iranian think tank that Pete Hegseth has membership in.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-is-involved-in-trumps-iran-war/Britain has hosted US jets and bombers on their bases, and also utilised jets, missiles and radar systems to go against Iranian drones, as well as said jets patrolling gulf monarchies.
Britain is practically involved in the war, and from previous threads has an entrenched history with Iran especially relative to electioneering and British Petroleum interests, and 'ex'-colonial regional control.
>>2732010why are evidence-based tests to see whether the medicine works, bad?
>>2731940having time and being hand-held through boring shit like 'coursework' is something you take for granted when you go through school the first time.
>>2732484well, it all depends on what youre passionate about. people show up here every day to produce essays.
>>2732492yeah coursework is just jumping through hoops as far as I remember it, and if you are passionate about something you can make more progress from yt vids than paying 2 grand for a bit of paper
>>2732497in my GCSEs i was having a nervous breakdown trying to properly structure essays. i felt like an east asian child. school can be torture, but everyone agrees that learning is wonderful. we are "educated" in school, but do we learn?
>>2732506it's strange, you can look back with hindsight and pick out only a handful of things that actually stuck with you from school, but I suppose it's part of life trying to find what is right for you, what means something to you
>>2732515well, it can be so bad that people feel suicidal about it
i think we need a complete reform of the system
we need to stop idolising greatness at the cost of emotional stability, while so much of our pop culture has this nietzschean ethic, especially concerning entrepeneurship.
>>2732513she should have said she felt that 'all eyes were on her' or that winning the case felt like a 'jack-pot' and so on and such forth
>>2732523winning the case probably felt like a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow…
>>2732010Terfs spent years advocating that the ability to transition to be stopped, while simultaneously calling all trans people hysterical extremists for suggesting it would happen.
Now look, here we are, and the TERFs are celebrating that trans adults are losing the right to essential life saving healthcare.
Keep in mind this new horsecrap also rejects even the governments own Cass study in addition to literally every reputable published piece of research on trans medicine without giving any rationale for doing so.
This blatant ideological and anti-scientific war wouldn't be tolerated in regards to any other group.
>>2732397because they're going to select the evidence based on it proving it doesn't work, just like with Cass, just like with the supreme court legislating from the bench to bugger the EA2010.
every other country has looked at the evidence and found it works. when britain concludes it doesn't*, do you think it's more likely that britain is correct and everyone else has been wrong for decades, or that britain is the vanguard of reactionary nonsense?
*most likely it won't even conclude that it doesn't work, it'll just conclude that the risk of blood clots etc is too high (making use of a half truth, since a transwoman has a higher blood clot risk than a cis man… something that's also true of cis women), a trade off that should be a decision for the patient in any civilized country, and so the NHS shouldn't provide it.
>>2733609
fuck off wasteman, theres hundreds of trans kids that have killed themselves since the cass bullshit, how about terf creeps leave the kids alone
>>2733609
we are not talking about kids, we are talking about the NHS arbitrarily discontinuing healthcare offered to consenting adults in most normal countries. (even the Islamic Republic of Iran will prescribe HRT!) you are trying to move the discussion to an irrelevant topic because you don't like transhumanists and don't want to argue the case against allowing adults to autonomously do things that they do the world over.
p.s. messing with nature is something we do lightly all the time, you processed food guzzling artificial fiber wearing vehicle riding constantly-sitting indoor dwelling electricity using bad-post-making retard.
>>2733627
explain to me why, in reply to a post about the NHS removing care from trans adults, it is justified to talk about kids
you're regular enough that i'm going to hound your every post for an answer to this since our cowardly friend seems disinclined to do so. what is the rationale? why is it acceptable to completely ignore the point of the post and reply with something like that?
and no, don't try to uno-reverse-card me. the reason it is justified for me to do this to you is because you are endorsing his behavior. for you to endorse it, you must have a rationale. provide it.
>>2733647
none of this provides a justification for the specific behavior described. you are just ranting about transhumanists. (or should i draw the obvious inference that the reason to reply to a post about adult healthcare with irrelevant rambling about muh kids is "because i just don't like transhumanists and have a compulsive need to whine about them"?)
p.s. all identity is manufactured and, yes, "we live in a culture" - so what? i don't see you getting really worked up about the culturally bound elements of PTSD. breaking news: money and the police are social constructs, but you still get beat up if you annoy the cops and you still go hungry if you can't get cash. wow.
so far as we take the argument in the post (which i don't hate tbh) as given, it doesn't actually change anything practical. if an adult doesn't have gender dysphoria, but wants female fat distribution, why shouldn't they be allowed to choose to take estrogen? you can move the cultural stuff around, but you're still left with questions of practical physical action and choice.
>>2733630
Y’know what I think you should do? Kill yourself. Now. Do it.
>>2733647
Kill thyself
Reminder that political alignment is fundamentally decided by personality and disposition.
When you find someone who gets really mad about transgender people, it is highly probable that they have low openness to experience, low agreeableness, and low neuroticism. That is to say: unimaginative, argumentative, and disinclined to self doubt.
Which is to say: highly likely to be uninteresting and unpleasant to talk to, particularly if (like most lefties) you're high openness, high agreeableness, high neuroticism.
>>2733660low yield trvke, sir
>>2733671
most trans people are deeply neurotic and, almost definitionally, high openness for transitioning.
>>2733686No you don't understand, the Labour government is captured by TRAs. Even when it ultimately bans transitioning entirely by outlawing prescribing HRT to trans adults, it'll be captured by TRAs.
In a way radfems did what the centuries of Tory rule could never do: kill Labour.
I kneel.
>>2733694
"Why are you (defending a guy) talking about children in a discussion about adult healthcare?"
"Because it's a psycho-religious cult…"
Do you appreciate how schizophrenic this sounds? Normal conversations do not flow this way.
>>2733714There's nothing liberal about TERFism, it's deeply illiberal. At the end of the day they are all for restrictions on bodily autonomy. They would not, at the end of the day, accept "I am a man taking estrogen because I want to" even if they currently insist that's all that they want. Very few political/cultural demands are final: "we just want gay marriage" was a lie from liberals, "I used to be left wing too, we just want to go back to 2010/1995/1982/1950/1933/1832/1788 when things were normal…" is a lie from conservatives and reactionaries.
>>2733717TERFism is a liberal manifestation and it props up liberal values in support of liberal parties.
JK Rowling - Labour donor
Lineman - Rowling stan
Liberals have always been about restricting body automony, the thing you're missing is that liberalism requires an 'other' to function as it requires constant scapegoating in order to explain the contraidctions of it requiring a reserve army of labour or underclass.
Transphobia is just a modern day vector of this, in the past it was homophobia, racism and sexism but in the past it was happy to restrict the body automony of the other - look at the chemical castration of gay men in the 50s, the same to immigrants between 60s-90s and the clawing back of womens civil rights between 1950-1990s in the sense they couldnt drink in bars, have abortions and could be raped legally by there husbands.
>>2732484>having time and being hand-held through boring shit like 'coursework' is something you take for granted when you go through school the first time.idk, i never really did a piece of coursework in school, anything i was expected to do in at home was a non-starter. Wasn't the helping kind of school either.
Think i'm going to do it, might go to uni after if i get on with it.
>>2733733TERFism is a misnomer that white washes British liberal feminism’s historical alliance with nationalism and fascism. It is unfortunate that we have settled on this term when ‘Traditional Feminism’ or the like would be more appropriate for the ideological heiresses of the white feather movement and feminist eugenics.
>>2733745No sorry you guys will have to stop with this TERF are ackshually wignat bullshit tamking point this isnt true at all. Most terfs are schyzophrenic idpozzed libtards (like the one itt) and thirdworldist maoist. Both hates "white patriarchy" and want to fuck up young men as much as possible, they see trans people as a representation of that young (white coded) male will and want to destroy it.
I hate terfs and they are a degenerated product of the left, they're not any kind of race identitarian. It's the oldfag left coming home to roost.
Like JK Rowling is absolutely fine with every populated city in the UK being turned into Lahore-meet-Lagos. She is not fine with with (white) boys not being mollested by Stephen Graham's Adolescence or transgender adolescents not being socially ostraciced through top-down measures.
And that is true of evevery radfem. You can removed the trans part for the 3 trans inclusive radfems (all mindbroken transbians) that exist but the worldview is still as repulsive and worth destroying.
>>2733756JK Rowling has never been of the left. She superficially supported Blair's Labour (a government that specifically reformed welfare to stop you doing what she did and dossing about writing a book in the dole), that doesn't make her left wing or feminist. It's a specific form of British small-c conservatism utterly alien to left liberalism.
>>2733763She's a Zionist and i'd lay a bet she's indulging the Iranian revolution comparison r.e. gorton and Denton.
>>2733756Unfortunately you being unread are afflicted with the biases of the present, but no, it was very much the libfash suffrogates who were at the helm and the progenitors of the ideology that presently goes under the misnomer ‘TERF.’
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes To make TERFism part of radical feminism you'd have to explain their eagerness to ally with anti-transgender males. Glinner, Stuart Campbell, Singal, whatever.
>>2733770and with mental christians for that matter, who believe gender is a characteristic imbued by the soul or whatever schizo nonsense.
>>2733780In my book every christian’s mental
>>2733788
About 42 give or take
>>2733745I agree that it is a liberal feminism. TERFism is just its newest vector but in the 90s it would have been women who where against gay marriage (think of the children was that generations protect womens sex based rights dogwhistles)
>>2733788My answer is Betteridge's law of headlines
>>2733630
Soyjaks will always be funny.
>muh labour party
Opportunists
Materialist explanation for why britbongers still seethe about transwahmen while burgers moved on? There is going to be a TTD trans genocide. We won. Stop seething.
>>2733840
Whats a staniland question?
>>2733844
>Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no
>This story is a great demonstration of my maxim that any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word "no". The reason why journalists use that style of headline is that they know the story is probably bullshit, and don't actually have the sources and facts to back it up, but still want to run it
>If the headline asks a question, try answering 'no'. Is This the True Face of Britain's Young? (Sensible reader: No.) Have We Found the Cure for AIDS? (No; or you wouldn't have put the question mark in.) Does This Map Provide the Key for Peace? (Probably not.) A headline with a question mark at the end means, in the vast majority of cases, that the story is tendentious or over-sold. It is often a scare story, or an attempt to elevate some run-of-the-mill piece of reporting into a national controversy and, preferably, a national panic. To a busy journalist hunting for real information a question mark means 'don't bother reading this bi
>>2733844
Why does she believe that female-bodied people should be allowed to do so? Nonce behaviour
>>2733844
Question is too general. Make it specific so that i can just say yes or no.
>>2733851Stop puppeting Lenin's dead corpse.
>>2733852
A woman getting naked in front of a young girl is a bit weird mate, why are you in favour of noncing so long as it's the nun instead of the priest?
>>2733857The guy who decriminalized homosexuality in the USSR?
Nah.
>>2733844
Nah. Now give me a materialist explanation for why britbongers are still stuck in this trans thing while burgers moved on?
>>2733844
oh… oh the horror!
>>2733899Do you see why normal people find the left so deranged when it’s filled with cunts like you
>>2733868Because Britain is a caste society and, as such, people deeply resent any infringement on their specific points of difference. It's the same reason we'll seize on any reason to argue a landlord with a comedy accent is working class but anyone with a degree is middle class. We understand sex/gender as we understand class, as a caste distinction.
>>2733936He's not the one saying women should strip in front of kids, that's stanisland.
>>2733943What the fuck are you on about
>>2733852
>Because women aren’t at risk of being molested and raped by other women
Big, if true
>>2733852 did you forget your own post
>>2733966Why are adults and children in the same changing rooms at all?
>>2733988The real question is why are transhumanistS in society???
>>2734025
whos having a meltdown and appealing to higher authorities pal, are they in the room with us right now or perhaps, are they in the mirror?
>>2733936I am engaging you in civil discourse— and you insult me.
>>2734025
Even Norm Finkelstein, a more restrained and circumspect character there never was,
>>2734022They also have to read Hatchet
>>2733936Homeboy, you're retarded.
>>2734050
You are a terf and you should absolutely kill yourself.
>>2734050
>British politics like Iran
There’s another thread for that; here’s the sex change debate.
>>2734047That’s more of a middle school book because it has a happy ending
>>2734058
For the record I’m likely more on your side than that of the ‘gender cultists’ and am delivering snark from some kind of henpecking instinct, Oh Sensitive One.
>>2734065
I already answered it, its moral panic nonsense. Prove it isnt.
>>2734073
>Baking bread with human blood is le moral panicks
Well,
>>2734068
You're a worthless person and your parents should be punished for burdening the world with you.
>>2734065
>This is because they know that grown men undressing in front of little girls and masturbating to them peeing is an objectively horrifying prospect to anyone who’s not a dysgenic freak themselves no matter how many euphemisms you use, so they bitch and cry and derail
There is something actually, legitimately wrong with you.
>do you think it's okay for an adult to be seen naked?
<okay, now let me describe my elaborate fetish fantasy to you
<still think it's okay???
>>2734074The TERF meltdown in this thread is reminding me of another time where someone in the UK used to weaponize imagined claims of rape in order to further attempt to legitimize themselves.
You wont ever become a dancer - keep punching at shadows.
>>2734091
I hope you get raped to death by the transreich
>>2734093
you should show your trans friends your posts
>>2734093
Give it a rest you dumb cunt.
>>2734093
are these "trans frieinds" in the room with us right now?
This is genuinely the worst thread for typifying western leftism
>>2733844
>Do you believe that male-bodied people with a penis should have the right to undress in front of women and young girls?
Anyone should have the right to undress anywhere they want. Being naked is natural and not a crime.
Imo this is exposing some weird christoid brain damage in these so-called "feminists."
>>2734104
Maybe consider doing everyone a favor and putting the barrel of a gun in your mouth
>>2734106The trauma isn't caused by seeing a penis. It's a response instilled by these lunatics that think seeing a naked person is inherently evil, like being exposed to evil XY-rays emitted by the dongus radically alters vulnerable female brain chemistry.
This neo-victorianism is tiresome.
>>2734110
The voices in your head telling you life isn't worth living are right and you should listen
>>2733773That is not our Gay Nazi. This is your Gay Nazi. I'm pretty sure he is a Bong.
>>2734113
That's a really dumb thing to say anon. You should really be embarrassed that you said something so stupid out loud in front of everyone. Maybe take a break from posting and reconsider your life choices.
>>2734122
Your meds obviously aren't working and you should talk to your prescriber about it.
everyone in this thread is retarded (except for me)
>>2734127
How do you manage the bathroom situation while dating and being around trans people without getting raped constantly?
Total sex segregation NOW. Send men back to the Isle of Mann where they BELONG.
>>2734143Send all the lesbians back to the Isle of Lesbos.
>>2734127
Suicide is painless and I think would really improve things for you.
>>2734145Ship all dogs BACK to the Canaries.
>>2734127
> I will reiterate I support trans people, I've dated a MTF person before
Lol
If seeing a penis isn't traumatic then why did my cat hiss at my penis when she saw me getting dressed
>>2734155
Everyone will be a lot happier without you coming back
>>2734022Maybe they should fare badly as punishment for breaking social norms that I hold dear
>>2734025
>Most first world countries have universal healthcare
>Only Britain is deranged by trans people
>Must be the NHS!!
Retarded
I dont get it, why dont they just give testosterone to all the red squirrels so they kill all the greys.
Check the thread for the first time in 3 days and there are approximately 100 deleted posts by anti-trans schizos.
Than you for your work mods :)
The NHS and government is literally right now considering removing access to basic healthcare from trans adults.
And they're refusing to consider even the evidence in support of trans rights from their own previous Cass study (which was in itself labelled as unscientific and transphobic by the Dutch, NZ, Aus and Canadian health services).
Needless to say all actual peer reviewed studies and evidence on the matter are being flatly rejected by the state / NHS because they already have their ideological conclusions (kill trans people), so they keep shifting the goal posts arbitrarily.
And yes for the TERFs who should be celebrating this, apparently it isn't enough. They have to come here and complain how they are still somehow oppressed by this and how it's hysterical to want access to healthcare the same as any cis person.
>>2734083It's funny how she talk about "dysgenics" given the average physique and mental health status of the average gender critical activist. Even Rowling looked pretty dysgenic herself before she paid a trillion £ in plastic surgery.
>>2734202It is actually a big indictment of the NHS when a clique of clerics can just subvert it in a few year to go against any scientific conclusions in order to enact maximum sadism on a demographic they hate. And have the NHS people just shrug it off because as long as almost dead boomers very expensive healthcare and gay guys prep is covered then everythings fine.
This is some shit that happen in countries ran by islamists like Pakistan, seriously. Even Hungary dont do this.
>>2734828>They have to come here and complain how they are still somehow oppressed by thisIt's another thing that confuse me about them, and one of the reason i believe they are acting on mental illness and not because of a different worldview. They cannot take any W even after they got exactly what they wanted, MAGA is simular too.
And no fascism/hitlerism wasnt like this at all before anyone try to invoke the "terf are wignat" meme.
They are actually just like the peak woke POC narcissists activists who would always find white supremacy and "oppression" in everything from the concept of breakfast to tv shows aimed at toddlers.
>>2734911reminder that cockshott is also a political TERF
>>2733733what is it with people on this site calling everything they dont like, "liberal"?
>>2735288Never forget that he joined the Alba party lol. Not a socialist org, not a communist org, a random socdem vehicle for rehabilitating Alex Salmond's reputation by cynically pandering to TERFs and all the other assorted detritus of Scottish politics.
Worse, still, a
useless vehicle for both of those ends. It spent as much money as the Greens in 2021, but while the Greens got a bunch of seats and briefly entered government
where it must be said they showed that they were naive to the point of uselessness while Alba has never had a single representative elected under their name, not even a councillor.
Hit moments include including a candidate claiming that LGBT orgs in Scotland were trying to lower the age of consent to 10 and then the party doubling down and backed her when it was challenged on that, and their finance guy currently being accused of embezzling money from the party. (just like the SNP lol)
>>2735288Boomers are highly sensible to this mental degradation yes.
People who spent half their lives being decadent hedonists or social burdens likes to jump on the trans hatred train i remarked. Tons of ex-prostitutes, ex-homeless, really mentally ill lesbians, boomers with golden pension, state funded activists, chronic welfare recipient, POC immigrants, e-beggars and now walled gay men on the gender critical community.
This is another reason reason why TERF arent RW like i said above. They are way too freaky, chaotic and heterogenous for that and obsessed with being the victims in any situation. They're wokesters.
>>2735311You are not entirely wrong, but what has actually happened is that the right wing has also become weird. The mirror image is that a chunk of the left wing has become more normal. The Trump fandom in the US is also a gaggle of freaks and weirdos, even including a few self-hating transgender people and still-on-HRT ""detransitioners"", but they're undoubtedly right wing.
This is only to be expected given all the ways that economic and technological change have undermined the old normie base of conservatism both by literally eliminating the path to it for most people, and by reducing its relative social status.
I would go so far as to say that, with very few exceptions, political alignment has bifurcated into good and evil. The left, it's true, is not immune to enjoying indulging in cruelty, but the right is all but defined by it. >>2734828>the same as any cis personI could be looksmaxxing on the dole?
>>2735316>the right wing has also become weirdThar far right has always been weird. But what i described was OUR weird.
Weird Far Right is Otto Weininger: a gay jew who believes jew are evil and that women are jews too and that gender is a social construct. It's not a 50yo black lesbian single mother with an alcohol problem that do slam poetry who calls transgenders privileged white men, you feel me?
Partially true for MAGA though, but i would also argue they have a leftist DNA to them. Half of the far-left suck(ed) Trumps cock until Iran.
>>2735309I think you have been taking too much of the greens.
>>2735309>while Alba has never had a single representative elected under their name, not even a councillor.Didn't she marry a house dictator in 1991 or so?
>>2735321I'd take the black woman's move (if manifested in voting right) as a move to the right, rather than a sign she's really left wing despite it all. Particularly because from the other direction it's common for minorities who were always right wing to adopt woke talking points (didn't Badenoch once chide Starmer for talking over a woman of colour)
>>2735300are you asking why a leftist site complains about liberals when the current status quo, is liberalism?
>>2735435I think they're more getting at the way illiberal movements (which are worse than liberals) are tarred as liberal because leftists are used to fighting liberals because both are (unlike illberal types) at least nominally committed to making things better.
>>2730265>my life is a living hellLiving in Birmingham?
>>2735494Anyone who supports the status quo (neo-liberalism) is a liberal in my eyes, that means greens, conseravtive, labour, whatever flavor it really doesnt matter.
>>2735523How do greens support the status-quo
>>2735594The greens make it no secret that the range of ideology within is just left-liberalism, they arent a socialist party.
Just putting on a band aid to the current system is going to work. They are regulators in support of capital, dont get it twisted because they have better PR.
>>2735660
Do you really think they could do worse than the people in charge now?
>>2735691The greens have sway in my local area and have MPs and councilors, my rents up by several hundred pounds while they block every housing development.
Feels like liberal NIMBYs to me, they might do some short term feel good things but mark my words you will be disappointed if you think they represent any real change.
>>2735523What you miss in this analysis is that we're on the cusp of a step change away from neoliberalism towards something much worse. You're like the people railing against Keynesianism in 1976. Not wrong, strictly speaking, but counter-intuitively
optimistic in thinking that this, or this steady rate of decline compounded over another half century, is anything like as bad as it can get. In the most probable scenarios, things will get so bad that even hardened leftists will look back at the neoliberal era wistfully.
If we're lucky, there are enough capitalists who'll realize allying with the left to forestall that future is better than the murderous nightmares that await. If. They don't have a good track record… >>2735704Tell it to the cuban and russian serfs
>>2735706Yeah the left in the west is hopeless I think it's like trying to be a reformist while rome gets pillaged - the cities on fire and im here saying we should build more houses.
>>2735601What makes a socialist party? From what I gather they want to nationalise key industry and put in heavy taxation for the ultra wealthy. This is literally the first steps to communism, yeah they are reformist but that doesn’t make them any less socialist than YP
>>2736246Its the adherence to elections that is one of the key factors in why this wont work. Its the same reason that Corbyn also didnt work.
Breaking the masters house with the masters tools. As soon as you try to work in the system, the ideological and repressive apparatus does its magic and dismantles your movement and makes it unpopular to the wider masses.
Dont get me wrong, I voted green as well - its a nothing gesture that would at least marginally improve things in the short term. I just am under no illusion the greens will be the party to fix things.
Apparently Your Party Scotland are considering "splitting" because Your Party is basically ignoring them as they go "you know there's a Scottish election this year, right? You know we voted to stand in that election, right??"
Even the nice leftists in England don't really care about Scotland except instrumentally. You can't leave! We're one British nation!! Don't give in to nationalism, which is always reactionary! btw we don't actually give a fuck about the funding and administration of Scottish schools, hospitals, public transport, local government, policing, fire services, fisheries policy, disability payments, additional child payments, income tax, etc. Those are problems for a UK Lab– Your Party government. Let's focus on the real issues like the Greens mismanaging an English council please. :)
>>2737524I get that you Scots hate us English people, but I have never met a single English leftist who opposed Scottish independence. We overwhelmingly do not care or hope you get to leave this shithole regime. It's your choice.
And yet, when you had that choice, you chose to bottle it. You voted no. Pathetic.
You Scots act so oppressed by us, when the truth is Scots were arguably more involved in imperialism than the English.
Proportionally, Scottish men were massively, massively, overrepresented in colonisation and imperialist wars compared to the English.
Look at lists of British officials in India and Africa and you'll find roughly as many Scottish surnames as English ones, which is feat given how much smaller your population is.
Not to add, that while England may have invaded Ireland, it was Scottish men who migrated to the north as settler colonialists and who oppose Irish unification.
English settlers moved primarily to Dublin and the Pale as it was known, in the south of Ireland.
And the English settlers were pretty much evenly split on the issue of Irish independence and overwhelmingly supported home rule at a bare minimum. Some of the key supporters of Irish independence were Anglo-Irish protestants.
The clearances were a brutal fucking disaster but then again that was overwhelmingly violence against the Gaelic peasantry of the Highlands by Lowland Scots lords. It was not the English to blame.
The English government were responsible for the potato famine in Ireland, and the English government prohibited use of the Irish, Welsh and Cornish languages. We English have done more fucked up evil shit than I could recount in a day.
But Scotland, no. That wasn't us. That one's on the Scots.
You need a hobby mate,
Regards GCHQ
>>2736271>why corbyn didnt workhe was never PM
Fools Gold
*cuts you down with my six shooter"
Law's the law…
Interesting thing about that mate is that, if you've done it, you're about as up shit creek as it goes
So,
>>2737847>>2720247Corbyn era showed that it's quite literally "Antisemitic" to even state basic fact about Jewish biases or Jewish historical figures or anything.
Labour Counciller was literally found guilty of Antisemitism in the EHRC report for simply defending herself against a spurious antisemitism allegation for simply naming the Rothschilds (among several others) as a influential family in finance and politics. Because she defended herself, she was "Downplaying Jewish concerns" thus was guilty of antisemitism. That is literally how Labour was found guilty of Antisemitism in the EHRC report, a literal Kafka trap.
You had Livingstone kicked out of Labour for literally stating the exact same thing that Zionist theorists do about Hitler and Zionism. You had that professor literally fired from Bristol University for simply explaining what Zionism actually believes, then calling out the bad faith crybullying from a University Zionist group as that.
It's gone on and on and on and on. The UK and Germany are genuinely more ZOG'ed in the Establishment and media than the US.
Like I said in the other thread, I wish you still had a strong New Atheism movement here, because there is a serious legal challenge in the waiting about the censorship of Atheist speech and Atheist protected rights with how much Judaism is used to essentially censor and fire people that go against the Jewish/Zionist agenda.
>>2737977Also just to add, the counciller thing is even more ridiculous, as a Rothschilds influence (Lynn) is the reason Mandelson, Andrew and Fergie all knew Epstein and Maxwell.
>>2737977all the new atheists either became raging zionists or bleeding-heart islamophiles, so its a double-bind (since religion, and its absence, is politicised, like how marx and lenin give exception to "anti-imperialist" nationalism). even dawkins calls himself a "cultural christian", so pledges loyalty to hegemony.
>>2737672In a post about contemporary English mismanagement of a British party's affairs in Scotland you start talking about ancient history. Why? What insecurity drives this?
As it happens, I entirely agree that the primary historical oppressors of Scotland are Scots (albeit Scots who considered themselves British at a time when the English still regarded themselves as English, e.g. before Britain as a nation state c. 1945) but this is irrelevant to the fact that the primary mismanagers of British affairs are English, because Britain is run from England for a particular part of England. (Northern England undoubtedly has it worse than Scotland, but while Britain exists it will never overcome the temptation to see itself as English first, part of some common entity with a south that has always despised it)
What drove you to make cliché presumptions about my views and rail against some nonsense that nobody ITT believes?
Nobody cares who you've met: Jeremy Corbyn spoke against independence. He mightn't have meant it, but he read the doggrel that Scottish Labour vote. The (dogshit useless) Communist Party of Britain's policy line is independence, the CPGB-ML are against, the AWL, the SEP, Respect (yeah, Galloway is Scottish but his parties mostly thrive down south), a chunk of Edinburgh/Glasgow/St. Andrews uni intake, and of course plenty of posters ITT, to whom the post was obviously directed, are all fond of arrogantly pontificating on the constitutional status of a country they don't live in. If that doesn't apply to you, there's no reason to feel hurt and no reason to appeal to the number of Mac surnames in Jamaica to try to whatabout colonial guilt as though the option isn't just to put all the guilt into a "bad bank" called Britain and then sink it into the sea while Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland leave with what's left.
I must also be pendantic and point out that ethnic Scots actually narrowly voted Yes, it was English citizens of Scotland who tipped the balance. >>2737999Yeah, one of the biggest shames is how New Atheism was hijacked into basically being a new cover for Neo-Conservatism, and then all the Atheist figures becoming "TRAD" Zionist types.
We're genuinely at a point where you have a religious group, literally bearing their fangs, getting innocent people blackbagged by authorities, engaging in mass doxxing and cancel culture, dragging us into illegal wars, engaging in genocide, legitimately stripping us of our rights and speech, and there is nobody really willing to call this bullshit out because Jewish feels are more important than anything else, despite Judaism being a fucking RELIGION.
This is why I wish the left dropped the Zionist bullshit cover. There needs to be a massive pushback against Judaism directly, because these people need to actually finally give a fucking answer what makes Judaism so fucking unique and special and justify their bullshit double standards where the entire media can fucking spew whatever at Muslims and Arabs (often deserving honestly) and how we can absolutely shit on and mock Christians, but Jewish feelings are apparently more important than the rights and speech and frankly safety of actual British people and country. I seriously want to see all these media and political zionist cucks actually fucking face up to their absolute hypocritical cucked bullshit.
>>2738033well, judaism has been racialised, and the same has now happened to islam, so criticising religion has become a seemingly racist act.
>>2738058I've never bought ethno-religion bullshit. It falls apart under the lightest of scrutiny.
Judaism is not and never has been a Ethno-religion. Yes, Jew is a word that is interchangable with Ashkenazi, but that does not mean the religion itself is linked to ethnicity. There are Ethiopian Jews, Kaifeng Jews, Shepardi Jews, Mizrahi Jews. Most Jewish people in Israel aren't even ethnically "jewish" but are Iraqi Arabs.
When I shittalk Jews, I'm not shittalking Ashkenazi people, or Mizrahi people as an ethnic group, I'm shittalking followers of a Religion.
If they're going to seriously claim that Judaism is a Ethno-religion because of share culture as well (also falls apart but just to go along with it) then Christianity is also a Ethno religion because most whites celebrate Christmas and Easter and have Christian values.
Also even if it is "racist" to criticise shitty Jewish behaviours and beliefs, why should I give a shit? The entire media has no problem shitting on Arabs and Muslims relentlessly, they have no problem shitting on white men, so why in fuck should I hold my tongue on Judaism?
"But but white men are privileged"
Unlike, Jews, who are the wealthiest ethnic group in the UK with double the average wealth of the next wealthiest group Brahmin Indians, overrepresented massively in all elite positions and have the entire elite mollycoddle everyone of their narcissistic thin skinned views. People pretending Jews are still in the Warsaw Ghetto need to get a fucking grip.
>>2738033New Atheism is best understood as failing because politics is determined by disposition. The high openness types all became SJWs because they like showing off how caring and compassionate they are while the low openness low agreeableness types all became reactionaries because they like having a justification for being nasty to others, and found the SJWs a juicer and more relevant target than the culturally irrelevant god botherers.
You cannot reformulate the left on an anti religious basis like this because it will not draw in those of a leftist disposition.
has anyone seen or heard from queef stoma? Isn't the PM meant to do stuff in dire times? Go on the telly and talk shit etc?
sultana status?
>>2738273Hasn't she been frozen out by the do nothing wing
>>2738084For me it's not about reformulating the left over this. It's about protecting rights we have here and now materially.
The Jewish community have led the largest assault on British rights and the Left that we've arguably seen in this country. We had a fucking Opposition leader literally purged from his own party, based on just a command from the Jewish community, the left purged from Labour, protesting against Jewish biases is was considered a TERRORISM charge until the courts struck it down, we're going to have an energy crisis because of Jewish feels, they conducted a genocide and then dox, abuse, lawfare, send police to harass people who criticize it.
Jews are basically playing out the wet dream of what Evangelicals want to do in the US here. In Germany it's even worse, people are being black bagged and deported, stripped of citizenship etc.
This needs to be challenged. People can cry about Zionism all they want, but all these assaults on our rights, safety etc were done on behalf of JUDAISM at the best of all the major JEWISH community orgs. Not fucking Zionism.
I see no difference from this and the shit Evangelical Christians were trying to pull in the 2000s in the rest of the Anglosphere like Canada, US, Australia.
>You cannot reformulate the left on an anti religious basis like this because it will not draw in those of a leftist disposition.I realize this, I'm the one in this thread that consantly points out that the British left literally covered for, and still largely covers for, Grooming gangs, out of some fucked up misguided attempt to not be "racist".
>>2739330I think you're taking people too literally when they say they care about 'x'. The government doesn't ban protests because it loves Judaism, it proclaims a love of Judaism because it wants to ban protests. Jews who go against what the government wants get no special treatment. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that Judaism as a religion gets no love at all - it's judaism as nationalism that's beloved.
Evangelicals are a different kettle of fish, but even then it's 90% about personality: god loves you and wants you to be a massive cunt and kick off the apocalypse.
Similarly you're wrong on grooming gangs. The left did not primarily run cover for them (how could it, the left is impotent, it's like saying leftypol did it) but did accurately apprehend that the people going on about it really are 90% into doing so because they're racists uninterested in an answer like "institutional corruption and useless police because ACAB" when they can have "too many darkies and woke Liberals". As an issue to care about, it strongly selects for wronguns. You must always distrust people for how they choose to use the 24 hours in their day. (Even me, after all, apparently it entertains me to post here instead of doing something useful. I'm clearly some kind of intellectual masturbator.)
By analogy: there is not much wrong with YIMBYism in principle, but nearly everyone who self identifies as a YIMBY is a centrist wanker, so it's something best left alone even if a future communist government could well repeal the town and country planning act 1948. People make much more sense when you look at their maps (and whether they've bought them from Hitler, Blair, Lenin, or some chic performance artist) instead of the actual territory.
Being right wing makes me so miserable but I can't see myself being a leftist. I've been right leaning my whole life
sorry if this is against the rules
>>2739601Why does it make you unhappy and why don't you think you can be a leftist?
(I ask in the interest of giving practical advice. The best advice is to not care too much about politics, but obviously that's difficult.)
>>2738380i dont know im asking you
>>2739603I have a hard time putting my feelings into words, but it's just the constant negativity from the right that burns me out. I just sit inside all day and doomscroll on X or watch videos about how non-white people are genetically inferior or the grooming gangs and how they all hate us but muslims are the most kind to me in the real world. As for being a leftist, I just can't see it; I'd feel like a traitor to my family, who wants to vote for reform. Very self-centred, I'm aware. You're probably right; I shouldn't care too much about this stuff.
>>2739601Why are you right wing?
>>2739675well, to speak scientifically, there is no such thing as inferior or superior genes, there are only different organic adaptations (think of it as a division of labour). even if we measure intelligence, it is relative, individually and per sample. high general intelligence may also mean a narrower I.Q. band, like women, who are generally more intelligent than men, but are also less likely to be creative or genius (genius can only exist in proportion to stupidity, which is also personally accounted for, as we read in Aristotle, that Thales, the first philosopher, was so distracted by astrology that he fell into a hole on the earth, acting as an analogy that which much intelligence comes a lack of common sense - so imagine how dysfunctional a society full of high I.Q. people would be. nobody would volunteer to clean up the streets, which is why we need different types of people, so that we have common virtue by private self-interest - this was described as early as mandeville in 1714). the same for women is also true of nordics, who have high general I.Q.s yet they are equally uncreative (no major share of scientists, artists or inventors compare them to other races). the race scientist robert dutton also showed how mongolians have higher I.Q.s to US "caucasions", higher neoteny, etc. yet also lack rates of creativity. so then, the right often favours a model of "high I.Q.", "high trust" societies, but fail to see that this is just the borg. so that would be my primary criticism; that we need different types of people in society (and yes, different races are different, but we can benefit from these, while also possessing a civic universality - in being "British", while also being white-british or black-british). I think the contradiction can be easily mediated. of course, you dont have to agree with me, but i am fond of opening these sorts of discussions in a respectful way.
>>2739788(nta)
political orientation is overwhelmingly about disposition and personality, not ideas, per se. these traits are mostly involuntary.
>>2739675and the primary question of race is different from immigration also. you can be anti-racist while also being anti-mass immigration, especially for the least sake that mass immigration inspires racism.
>>2739998does one's social existence comprise their inherited traits?
>>2740028Within the context of those definite social relations within and beneath which they appear, yes
Any other zingers?
*ahem*
GCHQ possess physical technology capable of deflecting broad spectrum wavelengths for the purposes of directly manipulating electrical currents across a host of applications ranging from mechanical hardware to the human brain.
I have been a patient of this process as I have had an undiagnosed mental illness treated using an application of this technology ranging from the direct instrumentation of fantasy personas to intervention at the cellular level for graphing and calculating thought patterns.
This technology will be made public over the next year as it is slowly disclosed to the public in the interest of state security.
I have not been the first patient treated but I am the first to be allowed to come forward regarding the issue. You are always safe as we do not use this apparatus of technology for civil ends but instead use it solely for intelligence gathering and occasionally helping people with dysfunctional or errant psychologies.
Please please please, bear this in mind when talking to me in future: I am aware of something you are not at the level of a general truth. I am not there to watch you, but to be helped
The Metropolitan Police says it is investigating chants of "death to the IDF [Israel Defense Forces]" led by Bobby Vylan, of the punk duo Bob Vylan, at an Al Quds Day protest in central London.
Hundreds attended static protests on Sunday after Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood agreed to a police request to ban the annual march over fears of public disorder.
Twelve arrests were made during a protest and counter-protest, the Met said.
Videos on social media appeared to show Vylan, whose real name is Pascal Robinson-Foster, making a speech at the demonstration before chanting "death, death to the IDF" as the crowd joined in.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93jz4gykwkoNeat
>>2739675You should find a(nother) hobby. Don't be snobbish about it. Politics doomscrolling is one of the lowest tier hobbies there is, so you can really only go up. Make Fascist Britain join the Axis and win WW2 for the right in Hearts of Iron and you're still up on twitter. Argue about videogames on /vr/ or /vg/ (stay off /v/ or you'll just argue about politics), watch films or old TV or torrented anime instead of doomscrolling, read books about history or economics or trucks or whatever takes your fancy, or maybe even get into making something: program, draw, write, 3d model, whatever. In the last resort (worse than videogames),
take a more high-level approach to politics. Read substack essays, academic papers, yougov survey data, etc, and come up with your own theories. At least then you're doomscrolling at a slightly higher, more thoughtful level, which should better equip you to drop the habit later or turn it into something less awfulSince you're probably obliged to maintain some kind of political identity even after finding a better hobby, there are a bunch of options if you can't come left: obviously there's being apolitical, which is the best option. Whenever you see something just go: nope, don't care about politics. Failing that, you can always reorganize your existing beliefs. Find a foreign party that aligns very closely with what you believe, and get really invested in them while ignoring British politics except passive sympathy to whatever British party is somehow officially aligned with the foreign party. (like the old European parliament group they used to sit in) ideally, pick a country where things are on the up so there's more good news than bad news. If you're stuck with Reform, you can always choose to be a libertarian/neoliberal tax cuts kind of reform voter rather than a racist protectionist kind of reform voter.
If your family are really into Reform and you can't stand betraying them, that might be your second best play. If you're wedded to the right, but not Reform, you can still polish the rough edges. If your family are committed racists, for example, you can square your circle by going: well, libertarianism's emphasis on freedom of association can please both racists (by letting you exclude people from your property) and non-racists (because the market will, ideally, give you more money if you don't do that), that way you're not rejecting their view, but you aren't agreeing with it either.
If your family only sort of passively lean towards Reform, though, you shouldn't get too worked up about how they're going to vote and should pick a party based on which party's supporters are the kind of person you'd like to be, or what's got the best balance between what your family will tolerate and what you believe. (e.g. you may want to be a Green type, but that's too woke, so you can be a Lib Dem, which is moving in a liberal direction but more likely to get you marked as chronically indecisive than woke. The Lib Dems are currently trying to court Tory voters and playing the anti-American card, if that's helpful.)
But remember, the main aim is to cultivate a hobby outside politics, either by abstracting upwards, or by tuning out.
Really, you shouldn't get too worked up about ideological betrayal at all. Your vote probably doesn't matter, and it's the most meaningful ideological action you're likely to take. Everything else is just harmless ideas floating around in your head. You could become really, really, really into the Lincolnshire Independents for all it matters. I mean, I'm a leftist and I'm here advising you to consider right-libertarianism on a left-wing website. That's how little the idea of betrayal without power matters: it's more important to me that you're happy, or at least not wasting your time miserably, than it is that you change the harmless ideas in your head into harmless ideas that agree with mine.
>>2741752>You should find a(nother) hobby. Don't be snobbish about it. Politics doomscrolling is one of the lowest tier hobbies there isThat's just not true. It is the best one.
>>2741755It produces nothing, introduces you to nobody worth knowing, encourages you to blame resolvable personal problems on grand historical forces even when they are within your power to resolve, adds no interest or mystique to your character, cultivates an unpleasant disposition of one kind of another, AND does nothing whatsoever to affect real world political change because the real world doesn't turn on the ideas in your head and on your thumbs.
(And that applies to the higher tiers of hobby politics too!)
Hours spent scrolling furry porn and wanking your room white are hours better spent. Wherever the above descriptions apply to that, the furry is nevertheless the lesser evil.
Even if, yes, I would find it easier to talk to the politics wanker than the chronic wanking addict >>2741851FINISHED DOING WHAT
Not gonna lie anons, I'm kinda of a incoherent schizophrenic and when times go badly my brain defaults to idealist and spiritual thinking, no matter how much theory I read or how true I no materialism to be in my head.
I think years of violent / psychological abuse and religious indoctrination growing up has irrepairably damaged my mind.
I still try my best, whatever that may mean. You got any advice, on literally anything?
>UJS put out massively biased, loaded question report claiming other students don't want Jewish housemates.
>The point of the report is to smear fellow students as all antisemities
>Can't understand why people might not be comfortable around fellow Jewish students who are literally smearing them with fake wrongthink.
The sheer complete lack of ability to engage in any sort of basic self reflection by the Jewish community these days is honestly staggering. Truly unreal.
today I am irish
>>2742169What does scotland have to offer anyone?
>>2743231an upcoming election with a proportional representation voting system and a series of unpopular mainstream parties providing a golden opportunity for any half-coherent left-wing vehicle that can grab a high profile by being lead by a former candidate for Prime Minister and then take left and centre-left voters from people disillusioned by the SNP's blunders, unwilling to vote for the red-Tories, and burned by the Greens showing they were underprepared for joining a student council let alone a cabinet meeting.
>>2740430>zingersWhat? I am being scientific in the understanding that humans have inherited traits in their personality. If your parents have a mental condition, you are likely to have it as well, for example.
>>2723214> a move towards 'diversity' and 'multiculturalism', instead of purely economic unionDifferentiated branding of the multitude of Euro cultures like French food and Italian motor vehicles are major economic drivers under neoliberal globalized economics. Like Japan whose economy is heavily invested in "cuteness". Pokemon being multicultural is literally essential for their existence
>that's what gradually pissed people off to the point of wanting out<"Trump voters aren't just sheep brainwashed by Zionist psyops about 'Where's Obama's birth certificate' because Israel seethed at Obama's lack of support for an Iran war to create Greater Israel. Trump voters had reasonable critiques"LOL NO YOU WERE JUST A SUCKER FOR ZIO-NAZIS TO DESTROY YOUR OWN STATE FOR JEFFREY EPSTEIN CLASS DICTATORSHIP LMAO
The anti-Corbyn conspiracy and the anti-Bernie conspiracy are just two parts of the same coin of abuse tactics: separating someone from their friends and allies and gaslighting them. That's how abusers operate
>>2735523>whatever flavor it really doesnt matterliberalism in the imperial core is reactionary, liberalism in the undeveloped, feudal remnants of the periphery is progressive. Read Lenin radlib
>>2739601>sorry if this is against the rulesyou are required to learn about Marxist critique of liebral political economy. Learn about the history of capitalism, or perish
>>2743781No, you don't understand, a hypothetical socialist union of britain might have to leave the EU because they forgot to include a token separation of track and train into two different public sector entities and so violated EU rules and got a strongly worded IN01O0A11 letter from Scott Robson, therefore the actually existing gaggle of Thatcherite pedophiles, bald bond-villain looking insane zionists, unconcealed racists, "working class landlords" and other general cunts who took us out of the EU were actually-existing socialists. Not like those
actually-existing socialists, who're all middle class liberal freaks. (except Jeremy "I voted Remain because I thought the best option was to remain." Corbyn, because he didn't
really mean it.)
>>2743844Gallowaygolems and the oldfag left unironically believes this.
>>2743844Fuck Mertz, Fuck Macron, Fuck VdL, Fuck Kallas (dumb blonde bird).
Luv England, Luv sovereignty, Luv nationalisation of the commanding heights.
Simple as.
nationalization is nothing more than a dumb fetish in the current context. this is a feudal country with a few brushes of post-soviet oligarchy. it doesn't really matter whether some future-lord is being paid a million a year as CEO of a ""private"" company in a market that the state basically controls to protect them from competition, leaving them unresponsive to public needs, or paid a million a year as chief civil servant of a ""nationalized"" company which just doesn't give a fuck about public needs. you're just changing the label, and that's a best case scenario because most nationalizations nowadays would follow an SOE model (e.g. the guy'd still be a CEO, just the state would hold all the shares)
this is worth keeping in mind because more and more things are going to be nationalized in the coming era and in the early phases a lot of left-wingers are going to embarrass themselves by giving a pavlovian positive response to nationalizations that exist to screw the public rather than to serve them. the only real countervailing force, as it is, is just that our brainwormed columnist class don't like nationalization because they associate it with the old left. our ruling class aren't going to let a little thing like market pressures get in the way of them being on top and us being on the bottom.
>>2744993Would be interesting to see the voter breakdown by income bracket for 'worker' as per the median's regional PPP and unemployment rate
>>2745180but that would reveal immanent class antagonism, and thats not allowed!
>>2745180unfortunately (a) not surveyed (i'd also be interested specifically for G&D) and (b) not particularly useful when recorded at a household level (a pensioner who owns their house outright on £20k a year is better off than a renter on £30k a year)
British actor Simon Pegg (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, etc), has cancelled the latest film he was producing - Angels in the Asylum - and then ran off without paying any of the staff or film crew for any of there work.
Rather than taking him to court for failure to pay workers, instead the British government has decided to bail him out.
The UK government has decided £600,000 of taxpayers money will be split between the film industry workers as compensation and to shut them up.
Now £600,000 may seem like a small figure compared to the national budget but on principle isn't this downright wrong?
Why can't a highly successful celebrity actor pay out of his own pocket? Why would the government choose to step in over this rather than letting legal action take its course?
>>2745858so far as i can tell he's not the producer, he's just an actor in it. the producers are Heather Greenwood and Rob Sorrenti.
the reason the government is stepping in because the producers, too, are not the ones failing to make the payment. the company that was making the film is, and the reason the company can't do it is because the company has run out of money. the reason the government has stepped in is because the government has a scheme for covering some of the debts left by companies that become insolvent because it's not fair for people to be left out of pocket and, even when everyone's doing the best they can, that sometimes happens.
the higher-order reason for allowing limited liability companies is because (a) it encourages people to try things. unlimited liability massively discourages you from investing in anything because it's entirely possible you bankrupt yourself, and (b) because we allow joint-stock companies, this unlimited liability could be spread over hundreds of people, which would be a massive disincentive to investing at all.
in theory, the whole thing should work like a big insurance scheme anyway: rich people are the most likely to have made successful investments, and thereby pay more tax (either through higher VAT in aggregate or higher income tax rates, though income tax is usually strategically avoided), which can then be put towards bailing out the innocent when some of those investment ideas flop.
>>2745958these "greens" sound kinda based ngl
>>2745958>police and crime themed leaflet>only 2/6 of the policies of the other parties are even tenuously crime related (reform on "protections for kids online" and greens "legalise heroin and crack">final message is that they're a risk to your health, not to national security or public orderthis annoys me more than it should.
>>2745959Today is the 377th anniversary of Oliver Cromwell's Act of Abolition against the House of Lords, with the Act to abolish the monarchy proclaimed two days earlier. These Acts were never formally repealed de jure in the restoration, but only declared void de facto. So then, the institutions of the Monarchy and House of Lords are illegal, according to the British Commonwealth:
<Be it Declared and Enacted by this present Parliament and by the Authority of the same, That the People of England, and of all the Dominions and Territories thereunto belonging, are and shall be, and are hereby Constituted, Made, Established, and Confirmed to be a Commonwealth and Free-State: And shall from henceforth be Governed as a Commonwealth and Free-State, by the Supreme Authority of this Nation, The Representatives of the People in Parliament, and by such as they shall appoint and constitute as Officers and Ministers under them for the good of the People, and that without any King or House of Lords.https://www.british-history.ac.uk/no-series/acts-ordinances-interregnum/p122 Ocean man, the crust is elusive when it casts forth
To the childlike man
Ocean man, the sequence of a life form braised in the sand
Soaking up the thirst of the land
>>2745958>cocaine>leave NATO >death to landlordsdamn, at this rate they'll get my vote
>>2746019Loyalists songs are so fucking sauceless man.
>>2746040Apparently they stole the melody of this one from an irish republican song
>>2746045It's a jig originally, Lankum have a version of it but I can't find it for the life of me.
Still Loyalist songwriting and instrumentation is just dire. I seriously don't understand why, are they just bad at songwriting? Or is it because they do it one-handed?
is the UK the only place on earth worse than the US?
>>2747032
The Greens will glass Rupert with renewable energy
>>2746962the case for britain giving up and joining the US is underrated.
it's not the best possible outcome, but it's the best outcome our politicians could actually deliver. (in theory. in practice they'd quickly realize they're charmless duds and that we'd rather elect carpetbagging yank democrats than put up with them.)
>someone FOIs sandyford gender clinic and finds out their waiting list is 200+ years long
>It comes up at a Glasgow council meeting
>The health convenor goes "nuh-uh their website (which they don't update because they've basically collapsed) says it's only 7!!!"
You cannot hate the state enough. Public choice theorists, neoliberals, and Yes Minister (but I repeat myself) were all overly optimistic about the state of the state and how little it cares about the people it serves. Even if you hate transgender people you should remember that the state has the same utter indifference and Kafkaesque attitude towards your needs.
>>2747718What's going on with clinics/hospitals/doctor apointment in the UK? Many euro countries have increasingly disfunctional state ran health sector but none of them are slow and messed up as the UK.
Actually lots of your public infrastructures in general seems terrible.
>>2747727Big picture: health demand rising faster than budgets, aggressive use of rationing through GPs to control costs in a way that has become unhelpful (e.g. small problems are ignored until they become emergencies), shortage of qualified staff due to asinine government cuts to educating them locally or to letting them immigrate, (in England and Wales only) a series of asinine reforms that were supposed to introduce market discipline but actually just wasted a lot of money and are now being rolled back, and (in areas like trans health and ADHD type conditions) a love of pointlessly gatekeeping cheap medication.
Plus because the NHS is our last remaining national institution we have a culture of loving it dearly that undermines the obvious market case for anyone who can afford to go private to do so (and for the government to facilitate that. Part privatising bits of the NHS, sure, but actually letting people abandon it? No.)
Our private healthcare sector is a joke at the moment that just uses NHS staff on their off days.
Britain in general is a mismanaged country with a culture of needing permission (official or merely social) to do anything. State capacity has been progressively gutted since the 1980s but state control hasn't really been rolled back in the same way, so you have everything going through the dysfunctional state. It's enough to make a committed communist into a half friedmanite.
Starmer has decided the US can launch attacks on Iran from UK military bases. It's so fucking over.
>>2747937Good, hopefully it tanks his ministership and the Labour party forever
BBC, more like the ZPC (zionist propaganda corporation)
>>2747937for a second, i thought he had a bit if balls
kid starver disappoints yet again
Keir Starmer sexually assaulted me in 2021.
>>2748604are you still a twink?
saw a recent address by the government, citing roblox as a means to recruit children into extremist ideologies. what is it with boomers and their terror of video games? they just want them banned.
>>2748604me too he bummed me in a spoons disabled toilet
>>2748708Personally speaking I was groomed into being a Marxist terrorist by Fortnite
>>2748749Least you were in the right space
>>2748766it was a womans disabled toilet and im a man in a dress
>>2748767no such thing as a womans disabled toilet…
So some police officer who raped a child claimed to be trans literally just before he was sentenced for his crimes.
The courts didn't buy it as legitimate and claimed he was a cis man doing it as a last ditch attempt to avoid prison.
The Telegraph decides to use the case to publish online/in their paper today that trans people are child rapists and how they're a threat to women and shouldn't be allowed in women's spaces because all trans people just want to rape.
Just another day in Britain…
>>2748774There is, just look for the wheelchair symbol but with a skirt.
>>2748775if you look at prison stats for transgender inmates, it also fails to elaborate on who possesses a GRC or not (by intentional policy), so if a rapist "identified" as a woman in a male prison, that would count toward total stats, inflating results.
>>2748782ive only seen that toilets inside my local gp branch
i always thought it designated women as inferior
>>2748782i would read this as women-and-disabled
(but that's because i remember some japanese women complaining that's how a lot of places in japan do it: able-bodied-men and everyone else.)
>>2748910its "women OR disabled"
theres no male counterpart
which is why the "man in a dress" bit irked me
>>2748913in saying "and" i meant it in the sense where "or" also applied. so "would you like tea or a biscuit?" but not "would you like tea or coffee?"
>>2748952who cares I just say shit and so long as its understood mission accomplished
>>2748785trvkue
>village parish council by-election
>only 3 candidates standing
>For Reform, a hitlerian boomer who posts about Muslims and trans people ruining the country on Facebook
>For Labour, some boy who's barely turned 18 years old and is a starmerite
>Also the local fishing club is standing a candidate
Right, what do I do anons? think ill spoil my ballot but no idea what with.
>>2749231vote fishing club
>>2749265He look better than the real Thatcher for some reasons
>>2749265Must be the world's biggest gerontophile.
Grifter Galloway has apparently decided to become a Scottish nationalist, possibly because there's an opening in the market for conning the crank side of the 'yes' movement since Alba died.
>>2750065would let him suck me off
>>2750127hes done more than your sad ass ever will
>>2750139yeah but when that something is "grifting" i'm glad to be a layabout
>>2750125from what i can see, he's got a blog about female royalty, so he's more about the camp-ness of the girlboss more than anything, although, tories are prone to call their matriarchs "mummy", like tim stanley:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/02/mummy-won-kick-backside-kemi-badenoch/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/10/08/mummy-moving-where-voters-are-badenoch-conference-tory/of course, being a tory is coded for being a homosexual, regardless.
>>2750177his early work was fun (if often slightly unhinged) but everything after respect 1.0 imploded has been grift. glory chasing explains his trajectory much better than any coherent set of beliefs.
>>2750271I dont think hes a grifter honestly, hes politically homeless as a reactionary socialist of the 1960s dem-soc I hate my wife and gay people but im going to build lots of houses and keep land dirt cheap type figure.
>>2750384
if israelis are starting fights with brits, sounds like a civil war 🤷♂️
>>2750379he worked for RT so he was a putinist agent repeating kremlin talking points
>>2750433No, I unironically mean it when I say leftism is reality describing itself. The one undying thing about right wing politics is that they are somehow wrong about literally everything.
the balfour declaration (1917) was also signed by arthur balfour, who served as a tory PM from 1902-05. tories have been on the wrong side of history since 1642, when they were the cavaliers, simping for the papist idolater, king charles i - who was gladly executed by lord protector oliver cromwell. as i have previously shown, the EU was a tory plot in the UK:
>>2722136with brexit being equally disastrous by its right wing appropriation, leading to current woes. what have the tories to offer anybody? the british post-war legacy rests squarely with clement attlee, and thatcher's legacy since 1979 is simply to deconstruct the state itself, emptying out and selling off our greatness.
>>2750446from the time of edmund burke, we see an open appeal to irrationality by the "conservatives", who cannot ground their rhetoric in reality, but only in sentiment. the great philosopher of this "aristocratic" ethos is nietzsche, who in the end, denies truth itself and goes mad. what else is fascism besides this sort of stylish but substanceless aesthetic? it defies theorisation, and only impresses violence upon the canvas of public discourse. the supply-side economists of the neoliberal right proposed an empirically false model of economic development. thatcher's "modernisation" led to inflation and unemployment. major's privatisation of the railways led to even more inefficiency. we even saw in argentina, the president begging for foreign loans, and setting fire to his own country, after literally selling off his state. this is not how normal people behave.
Tory is actually a girls name
>>2750462
they apparently formed around 1679 following the "exclusion crisis", where they basically promoted the divine right of kings by hereditary birth, later supporting king james' absolutism, while the whigs valiantly fought the king and sponsored william of orange to succeed the throne, and establish a constitutuonal monarchy with a bill of rights (1688). you can otherwise see it as a battle of protestants versus catholics and all the baggage which comes from that (with the puritans and quakers being the "progressives" of their day). the whigs are of course our national literati, such as daniel defoe and jonathan swift (the term "vox populi, vox dei" was popularised by whigs from an anonymous 1709 pamphlet which stressed that the right of kings begins in the people) they were precursors to the later "liberals" that dominated western europe after the napoleonic war, but especially after robert peel's repealment of the corn laws, which split the tories, and led to the creation of the "conservative party". i have spoken extensively on robert peel in other places; his father was associates with the socialist robert owen, and his creation of the metropolitan police force (1829-) as a "crime prevention" service seems emblematic of that canon, so as the last "tory", he seems to progress politics to its newer conception, betweem the "conservatives" and "liberals". in the 20th century we see a rise in the "labour party" (c. 1900) which really has one great victory in clement attlee, but is a victory which reconstructs the soul of the nation around the welfare state, and especially the NHS.
Conservatism made a devil's bargain when it decided to wed the defense of privilege and the dregs of liberalism (both, in their way, socially useful) to the embrace of man's worst and most cruel instincts to boost their mass appeal.
Thatcher is the ideal example here. She was shit at neoliberalism, shit at preserving the better half of the bourgeoise, but she hurt the miners, killed foreigners in war, and the hurt feelings of social liberals, so she's their hero.
>>2750529>>2750579i would say that some precedent cases exist previously in the "new" conservatism of william f. buckley, who associates with people like enoch powell and milton friedman. friedman as early as 1968 is speaking for capitalism and against egalitarianism. murray rothbard in 1972 does the same. between enoch powell and oswald mosely is also this contention between economic policy, which is primary, not secondary. mosely as an ex-labour man sees that the fascist ideal of autarky brings national stability (at once, praising keynes), while powell holds the contradictory view of supporting the freedom of capital while restricting the freedom of movement (and in a treble nonsense, promoting the sanctity of a gold standard). the types of racism also differ, where mosely is moreso antisemitic, while powell appears to put political agency in the hands of black and brown people, hence them holding "the whip hand" against whites, bringing a "river of blood". of course, as previously discussed, this anglo-jewish hysteria against the dark-skinned barbarians is continuous of today's zionist agitation, which has its geopolitical considerations around the same time (the late 60s and early 70s). by 1979, the right have become completely occupied by neoliberal actors. the west financialises and exports its industry to foreigners. the "national" interest is made void, as thatcher declares that there is no "society" (1987). the question then arises, what do conservatives "conserve"? nothing - which is why peter hitchens calls the conservatives a "liberal" party, which is accurate. from "one nation" toryism under d'israeli to "no society" under thatcher. a dwindled legacy of a century.
so then, it is as you say:
conservatives are nothing but inefficient liberals.
while i would claim of the nationalist right that they also fail to support the national interest, hence why "nationalists" are equally cornered between the freedom of capital and its inevitable result of creating a freedom of movement, contradicting their aims - as we see with trump, who has repeatedly assisted the cheap labour of illegal immigrants to allow farmers to yield greater profits (capital in this country is equally shameless in its promotion of illegal labour to cheapen the commodities for citizens, effectively creating a slave caste). apart from this are additional geopolitical errors, such as zionism, which clearly substitutes the national interest of one's own country for another; left-wing commentator, aaron bastani, demonstrated this against matt goodwin, who was left defeated against the purist national arguments against israel. the zone of hypocrisy thus displays the contradiction of the right in all conceptual spheres, and why in a sense, being right wing is equivalent with simply being incorrect. i then sincerely enquire into the possibility that the right wing have never been on the correct side of history.
Enoch Powell sexually assaulted my grandfather in boarding school back in the days. It was the roaring 20s, they didnt know any better.
They're building a Minecraft theme park in Chessington. Mental. Apparently it'll open in 2027.
Open borders would be a good thing and the biggest indictment of neoliberals is that they threw all their energy at tax cuts instead of state interference with individuals of all sorts
Six million JEWISH ambulances burned to ashes in a single night.
Its all your faults that 4 Jewish ambulances got shoah'd
>>2749265honestly pretty baller, he must be draining so much old man balls and wallets as
>>2750125 says
>>2750065I mean he's 19 so that helps
>>2750768"open borders" is a fallacious idea, since if we are materialist in our analysis, the migration of bodies must be caused by incentives (e.g. there's a reason why the french migrants come to the UK instead of settling for slums). The primary metric of immigration in the UK is students, who are either sponsored, or apply abroad. The secondary metric is jobs, which are applied for by visas. The third metric is illegal immigration, which we might say is a part of the overall incentive of welfare benefits. The fourth is legal entry and asylum. To have "open borders" thus is impossible without adjusting conditions, such as creating more job shortages, which can only be facilitated by lowering minimum wage. We may also lower interest on student loans. We may also supply greater benefits to non-citizens. In every case, there is a hard limit. Reversely then, we can see what can limit the flow of immigration into the UK, such as regulating visas and denying access to welfare.
Literally Jews on X today
"The UK has become literally exactly the same as Nazi Germany, it's time for us to leave to Israel and be safe" When lets be real, while it's a bad attack, it's just petty vandalism at the end of the day, it's not like Mosques don't regularly have molotovs thrown at them. I lived near to a Muslim library and that place was torched every couple years.
Also just looked up stats out of interest
Average crime rate in UK cities 107:1000
Average crime rate in Jewish areas 90:1000
Average hate incidents against Jewish property/Synagogues: 217
Average hate incidents against Muslim community/synagogues: 3100
Average hate incidents against Christian Community property/Churches: 2000
Average median wealth
White: £221,000
Indian: £206,000
Muslim: £42,000
Jewish: £422,000
Average Death rate for Jewish people in UK 10:1000
Average Death rate for Jewish people in Nazi Germany 700:1000
So yes, as we can see, the UK is truly in the midst of basically being Nazi Germany 2.0 and there is no hysteria at all.
>>2751680The incentives will balance on their own. Jobs are not inherently applied for by visa. This isn't true for NZers in Australia or for any EU member in any other EU member, not for Americans between states or indeed from one town to another here in the UK. There was, long ago, such constraint on movement but it has mercifully passed. It is asinine on the face of it that the same principle applies entirely arbitrarily. You can work in Ireland, but not France.
If there really is a flood of welfare eating immigrants then all the taxpayers will leave, as they should, and that'll self resolve in short order. Everyone should go to where he wishes to be.
UK’s King Charles will be patron for major Jewish security organizationhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/uks-king-charles-will-be-patron-for-major-jewish-security-organization/
<You just found out about Hatzola and Shomrim. Now meet CST.
<The Mossad-linked lobby that takes £80 million of British taxpayer money.
<They train our police. Lobby our government for 'israel'. Push hate speech laws. And terrorise citizens who oppose genocide.
<More below:
>Convicted fraudster and zionist jew 'Sir' Gerald Ronson is the founder of the UK's flagship 'anti-Semitism' watchdog, the Community Security Trust (CST).
>Ronson appears in the Epstein files. He is listed among individuals a potential cooperating witness believes had 'some involvement or contact with GM and JE.'
>He is also named in leaked documents as a funder of war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu's political campaigns—alongside Leslie Wexner, co-conspirator of convicted paedophile and child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.
>Ronson's business empire (Heron International) spans property, petrol stations, and finance. He has family in 'israel'.
>Timeline:>1990: Ronson is convicted for his role in the Guinness scandal, one of Britain's most high-profile white-collar crime cases. He serves 6 of 12 months and pays a £5 million fine.
>2012: Ronson is awarded CBE.
>2024: Ronson is knighted. He is now 'Sir' Gerald Ronson.
>Between his conviction and knighthood, in 1994, Ronson founded CST—ostensibly to 'protect UK jewish communities' from 'Anti-Semitism'.
>The reality: CST is a Mossad-linked lobby group with deep government and police ties. It has over 2,000 trained volunteers/personnel and works closely with police nationally/regional/local levels (including joint patrols and data sharing). It also collaborates with Shomrim—the UK jewish police.
>CST's chief executive has referred to Shomrim as 'friends' alongside groups like Hatzola (jewish ambulance).
>In February 2024, the British government announced a £72 million funding package for 'protective security' for the jewish community, administered through CST. Emergency top-ups have followed, including £10 million in October 2025—the largest dedicated allocation for any UK community group facing 'hate crime threats'.
>Two days ago, CST published its 'antisemitic incidents' report for 2025. Over 50% of the incidents recorded were related to Palestine and the genocide. This is the 'hate crime' they receive funding for.
>Let that sink in.
>A pro-'israel' British jew convicted fraudster turned knight, with documented links to Epstein and Netanyahu, receives millions in British taxpayer money—via an organisation he founded—to police British citizens and attack civil liberties and free speech for opposing a foreign entity. An entity committing genocide.
>This is institutional capture.>This is occupied Britain. Jewish. Ambulances.
Nazis tried to burn down a mosque in Manchester. Weird how that isn't news with rolling BBC coverage.
some weird people out there.
went to the local supermarket and some 20 yo guy working there looked like he hadnt washed in several weeks, and was covered head to toe is satanist tattoos + was wearing a giant ass church of satan style pentagram necklace.
no idea what makes a person like that but now im wondering how many complaints they get…
>>2754026Careful lad, even sharing posts questioning the ambulance holocaust can get your arrested.
Former Conservative MP and justice minister Crispin Blunt has plead guilty in court this morning to possession of cannabis, GBL, and two forms of methamphetamine.
Our MPs are smoking crystal while we go to prison for saying we oppose genocide.
Everyone who is in a Party or org, it is time to state your case. Answer these questions:
1) is your org growing ?
2) Do you truly believe your org will develop to become a party of the working class, providing revolutionary leadership?
3) Why do you believe it is doing this, as opposed to other organizations? What are you doing differently which means yours is the one, as opposed to the others?
4) do you believe the people within your org believe this? Do you believe they are dedicated, and ready to sacrifice everything in order to overthrow the British State and its institutions?
5) Who are those people? Are they normal working people? Students? Mostly boomers? Mostly youths? Are they mostly highly read, highly ideological? Or are they mostly vibes based? Are they serious people? Do they take what they are doing seriously?
lmfao Your Party aren't running in the Scottish elections even though the Scottish branch voted to do so
They really have just reinvented Labour.
Unique IPs: 172