/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2758609
if a movement seeks to separate from an empire to gain national self-determination, it is a nationalist movement. im sorry that you are afraid of the "n-word" in question, but thats what it is. marx even wanted the irish to put tariffs against the english.

>>2758632
No. You speak generically of supporting Irish nationalism when it's quite possible that nationalists collaborate with the English bourgeoisie and aristocracy. If there's no interest whatsoever in economic sovereignty, then there's no reason to support it as an alternative. Radical Irish republicanism that attacks private property relations is useful for communists; not having this is reactionary. Separatism isn't accepted in Marxism without questioning economic relations, and the goal of communists is the end of nationalities in a socialist union that plans the economy. Any nationalism will receive hostility from communists, both from Marx and Engels, much more so than from Lenin, who still wouldn't tolerate it, but would have more nuance in the relationship of dependence on imperialism to see if a movement is progressive. However, communists are obliged to organize only for the supremacy of the proletariat independent of the bourgeoisie. Being co-opted by nationalism, reactionism, liberalism, or any fantasy of bourgeois class conciliation is not acceptable. Therefore, bourgeois nationalism is not acceptable.

You don't understand the anti-imperialist position on something; it's different from what a revolutionary socialist movement should do.

You can only impose tariffs if you are using state-owned enterprises in a poor, deindustrialized, peripheral country to develop your own national industry; otherwise, you are acting like a fool.

>>2758697
>Therefore, bourgeois nationalism is not acceptable.
I never said "bourgeois nationalism", did i?
you are quite exhausting.

>>2758741
Even any type of nationalism will be suppressed by implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat and socializing the economy by punishing counter-revolutionaries, liberals and reactionaries, proletarian internationalism follows what Marx wrote criticizing Lassalle in the "Critique of the Gotha Programme". Let's see what Marx wrote in 1875:

<5. "The working class strives for its emancipation first of all within the framework of the present-day national states, conscious that the necessary result of its efforts, which are common to the workers of all civilized countries, will be the international brotherhood of peoples."

<Lassalle, in opposition to the Communist Manifesto and to all earlier socialism, conceived the workers' movement from the narrowest national standpoint. He is being followed in this – and that after the work of the International!

<It is altogether self-evident that, to be able to fight at all, the working class must organize itself at home as a class and that its own country is the immediate arena of its struggle – insofar as its class struggle is national, not in substance, but, as the Communist Manifesto says, "in form". But the "framework of the present-day national state", for instance, the German Empire, is itself, in its turn, economically "within the framework" of the world market, politically "within the framework" of the system of states. Every businessman knows that German trade is at the same time foreign trade, and the greatness of Herr Bismarck consists, to be sure, precisely in his pursuing a kind of international policy.

<And to what does the German Workers' party reduce its internationalism? To the consciousness that the result of its efforts will be "the international brotherhood of peoples" – a phrase borrowed from the bourgeois League of Peace and Freedom, which is intended to pass as equivalent to the international brotherhood of working classes in the joint struggle against the ruling classes and their governments. Not a word, therefore, about the international functions of the German working class! And it is thus that it is to challenge its own bourgeoisie – which is already linked up in brotherhood against it with the bourgeois of all other countries – and Herr Bismarck's international policy of conspiracy.

<In fact, the internationalism of the program stands even infinitely below that of the Free Trade party. The latter also asserts that the result of its efforts will be "the international brotherhood of peoples". But it also does something to make trade international and by no means contents itself with the consciousness that all people are carrying on trade at home.

<The international activity of the working classes does not in any way depend on the existence of the International Working Men's Association. This was only the first attempt to create a central organ for the activity; an attempt which was a lasting success on account of the impulse which it gave but which was no longer realizable in its historical form after the fall of the Paris Commune.

<Bismarck's Norddeutsche was absolutely right when it announced, to the satisfaction of its master, that the German Workers' party had sworn off internationalism in the new program.

<Karl Marx, 1875, Critique of the Gotha Programme

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm

>>2720579
lame ass uygha

>>2758468
So what do you do when members of the proletariat hold dear certain views and cultural practices that run against Communism? You expect them to choose between what makes them who they are and survival - helluva decision. You basically want people to sell their souls to gain the world for some hollow bugman existence is what I am hearing.
This, "fraternity of all nations," thing sounds like a Borg Collective Dystopian Nightmare and if how all strict Communist nations played out is any indication I really think I'd pass on that, tyvm.
No matter how Communists try to sell their utopia to me it really just sounds like a sprawling, grey nightmare.
>It was formerly the "accepted" idea that the world has been divided from time immemorial into inferior and superior races, into blacks and whites, of whom the former are unfit for civilization and are doomed to be objects of exploitation, while the latter are the only bearers of civilization, whose mission is to exploit the former.
The historic problem the American Working Class has faced is it's hetereogeneous nature. All efforts to override the racial differences have failed; there is too much bad blood. Nobody is willing to put down their guns and, in fact, in recent American history it is non-Whites who are the ones holding onto a racial consciousness. Re-emerging White racial consciousness happened because of this fact of life. The American Worker is genuinely in a rock and a hard place, according to you: he must surrender everything about himself, his nation and his heritage under the speculation he might get a better standard of living or continue down what is clearly a dead-end path of attempted Racial Awakening that Team White clearly doesn't have the gas to carry out.
Also, I really don't see how Stalin's view of the Soviet Union ever really actually worked or survived. It was the haughtiness of Russians in relation to the Chinese that caused the Russian-Sino Split and the refusal of the Chinese to become stepbrother to any civilization when they had fully-developed metropolises before Russians even had two story buildings.
In my understanding of history
>which may be wrong
I fail to see where this vision a lot of fans of the USSR have of it is true, some kind of Imperium of Man Worker's Rights Paradise where all of Humanity was truly united.
I'm not trying to say, "You're wrong," I'm simply saying, "I don't see the evidence for your thesis."

>>2720579
racist

>>2758476
Yeah that's something back when I was involved in the Alt-Right I kept trying to address to people; there's no putting the genie back in this bottle without extreme levels of cold and ruthless violence I just don't see them willing to carry out in the first place. Even if they were successful, that sort of resentment is impossible to remove. Human beings inherently chafe against all forms of restraint against their self-determination. If someone is determined to be gay, they're gonna be gay. You're damn sure not getting African Americans to give up a free society or return to segregation; it's just not happening. Society has evolved and it's leaving Straight White Men to die but they don't seem willing to do anything but shitpost about it.

>>2758480
So even Marxists have a racial hierarchy - which always seems to conveniently default to anyone who's not my people.
I really wanna hear the plan for getting us to accept slave status or death.

>>2761574
> I was involved in the Alt-Right
>If someone is determined to be gay, they're gonna be gay.

makes sense

>>2761576
>racial hierarchy
if thats what you got from the post you are replying to you are truly braindead

>>2761579
Nah, you guys really do that shit. I've seen you all gather around and circle jerk about it on here too.

>>2758591
Because maybe I've been alone or an outcast most of my life and I'm in a particularly vulnerable place in life witnessing the collapse of civilization.
I don't have much of fucking anything except scrolling various boards now. I can't even bring myself to play video games; everything feels like a pointless and sispyhean existence now.
I'm not gonna "Dear Diary," this shit nor expect Leftists to feel bad for anything I've experienced, but, you asked.

>>2761578
I could tell a million stories about scandals that don't even involve gays.
Mixed-race kids, marital infidelity, financial corruption that would make even the black-hat tribe caricatures blush, leaving comrades out to dry for the dumbest and pettiest reasons imaginable.
My opinion is just one I have arrived at from a decade of activism and an even longer time affiliating.
The only way the Alt-Right gets what it wants is with Right-Wing Death Squads and a committment to doing what the Taliban did for decades to finally get what they want.
But they won't do it. I don't know why, but they won't. I've never been at street action where Right-Wingers threw the first punch even when it was obvious the smoke was about to pop.
They, genuinely, have a level of capability and organization that they could really Boogaloo if they wanted to - but they don't, ever. I don't care which movement on the spectrum we're talking about; Oath-Keepers, Proud Boys to Patriot Front to any number of laughably small actual NatSoc orgs. They have the resources, means and people. But they never do anything.
I don't remember where on here but I was lurking a thread about Leftist Street Action where everyone was complaining about how incompetent they seem to be.
That may be the case but at least they'll swing.
They have that in common with Skinheads I used to know, but they're too busy going to prison for decades to matter.

>>2747391
>third worldists are going to take my shit

Yes thats exactly it. You understand that you and your classes continued existence is parasitic on the rest of humanity. You either accept this and move forward or theres nothing else to discuss.

>>2761654

When the moment comes, their choice will be to hand over their property, or be removed with it.

>>2761654
>>2761674
Yep. This is why my people are always going to be opposed to you until the end.
Come and get it.

>>2761576
>always seems to conveniently default to anyone who's not my people.
Its almost like your "people" are globalists who have colonized the entire planet for the Jeffrey Epstein class, but you're totally not a degenerate NPC I'm sure
>I really wanna hear the plan for getting us to accept slave status or death.
you sound more of a whiny little bitch than any Zion-nazi who seethes at the thought of being in the same class as their goy slaves

>>2761687
How are my people globalists? I'm really curious.
If we're going off some kind of collective blood-guilt thing, then basically nobody in the West can ever be a Communist. Because somewhere, somehow, we benefitted from some act of imperialism and colonialism somewhere.
What a very persuasive ideology: one of total submission to people who hate us. No wonder the Left is growing. Ten out of ten.
>>2761654
What a persuasive argument for membership. Nah, I don't think I will be joining a humiliation ritual. I could get into the Normie Left if I wanted that. Or, I could just go back to the Alt-Right where anyone who's not sufficiently German isn't White or can't be a real Nazi.

>>2761706
We dont need you. You came here for whatever reason and when confronted with your own privilege and status you chose to lash out and post shitty memes to hide behind irony. Like i said, theres nothing to discuss. Theres no reason for you to be a communist. Go away

>>2761717
Then enjoy opposition from me I suppose.
I can't think of a single time in my life where I felt, "privileged," or had, "status." In fact we have evidence of Federal policies that leave Whites out to dry while giving millions to immigrants for some reason. Yeah, what a recipe for Working Class solidarity in America! But hey - good news, the same (((people))) that are benefitting from this are going to throw you all under the bus, too, because you are ALSO a threat to Capitalism.
Have a nice day.

>>2761724

southerners sure are insecure when they dont have all that free labor yt prosperity. you will not rise again, unless it is to be executed.

>>2761738
Any time you wanna try. Space and opportunity.

>>2761747

I don't think my comrade meant you personally, more so the southern reactionary as a political force. If they try to extend themselves for the powerful, and elite, the way they did during 2018-2020, it wont end well is all. Hopefully they wake up and that is avoided, yet historically, this is not something to depend on. Not to mention a lot of them have a history of trying to enter cities they view as being lost by "american whiteness", and start stuff with the local populations / leftists. This too, will end very badly for them. That's all ;)

>>2761834
Southern Nationalism unlike many other nationalisms evolved over time post-WW2. Blame that on us being stuck inside the, "winning," side of the Great Patriotic War but here we are - here I am.
The latter half of your post I don't know how to deal with, it sounds like a lot of ridiculousness to me. But maybe I'm just out of the loop on internal Leftist politics.
Let me be clear: I know my people are the most untapped well of potential in the entire world. We have been exploited repeatedly and we have had enough - many of us have been awake to this longer, but it's becoming more prominent as a trend in the last 6 years or so.
There is a real ability here for something that is class conscious down here but everyone wants to judge us for our past history instead. They want to read our historic struggle in the worst light possible. They want to look at things only from the racial angle, not reality - Republican Abolitionists exploited Blacks far worse than we ever could have. There's something to be said for a cage you know exists and the one that is invisible until you run into it face-first.
But a long time ago even the most recalcitrat Unreconstructed also became proponents of racial equality within the South. You can't tell me shit; I was there, I saw it. I lived through it. Then I saw in real time once again how outsider bourgeioisie
>I always spell this word wrong, whatever
sentiments made us all hate each other again.
Helter Skelter isn't some random hype phrase to us; we lived through it. We saw the damage it did to all Southerners, White and Black, and how Carpetbaggers used us for their own gains.
You can acknowledge that or try to talk past, over and around it.
But just remember: no one who ever fought a war against us outside of our own cousins ever did very well.
So you can either take the offer or you can suffer for it later.
Me? I am sick of my own people being exploited by others for their own gain. I am ready for all of us to be together against our real, common enemy: Capitalists.
You can keep making this some petty racialist issue or you can understand that, in that dichotomy, you are asking us to give up the best part of ourselves: the part that will fight to the bitter end for our survival, our independence, and our freedom.
It's the Left's choice. The American "Right" made their's when they let the Reconciliation monument get torn down.
I don't fancy us being further devastated and destroyed than we are. Maybe - just maybe - the Left can do different now.

>>2761574
>Society has evolved and it's leaving Straight White Men to die but they don't seem willing to do anything but shitpost about it.
My advice is to "ride the tiger" as Julius Evola puts it, or to be "The Man above Time" as Savitri Devi writes. Trying to stop the flow of a river is futile, but when a tide turns, you can be ahead of the curve. History is circular, as Plato, Aristotle and Polybius understood it. Or even as Hesiod writes, there is a time when Chronos rules the heavens and a time when Zeus rules the heavens. If Fortuna has no part in our desire, we are utterly resigned to Fate.

why is everyone on this site more interested in converting rightoids than libs

>>2762095
Exercise in Futility

>>2761565
Wrong again. All peoples and nations will lose their prejudices through class struggle, seeing their interests shared with the workers of the world. Illusions of prejudice will fade as antisocial behaviors are corrected to better act together. As the dictatorship of the proletariat forms with the overthrow of the bourgeois state, the militias of workers' self-defense committees (the Red Guard, for example) will punish counter-revolutionaries, liberals, reformists, and reactionaries who deny the supremacy of the proletariat. Mass expropriations will abolish private property, abolish the anarchy of production, and abolish social classes through the collective organization of the economy to meet the needs of the population without the logic of profit and the education of the population. With all this, there will be changes in the culture of this socialist society, forming a socialist culture in all ethnicities and peoples of the workers. This will prevent co-optation by capitalists, aristocrats, and the clergy who served the dominant classes of the past.

You have to understand that in a socialist society, all workers will have guaranteed jobs, education, and healthcare. Furthermore, raising children will be guaranteed by the entire society without shifting the costs to women, giving workers both paternity and maternity rights. Community, leisure, and cultural activities will be guaranteed, allowing them to develop without the interests of profit or submission to capitalists, clergy, aristocrats, or any puppets of the owning classes. With a socialist economy, the population's behavior will improve, providing access to free time, sovereign and healthy food as a collective responsibility, and re-educating reactionaries and antisocial behaviors to work collectively with other workers in solidarity with the workers of the world.

With all that I have written, there is no reason to cling to prejudices or resentments based on illusions that have nothing to do with class struggle. From what you wrote, you haven't read the texts I posted below for you to read instead of clinging to sentimentality or nostalgia. Workers should act together in solidarity to prepare for the revolutionary situation, sabotage the bourgeois state, and prevent, by opposing, interventions of finance capital abroad that intensify the exploitation of workers.

Here is my post again for you to read and begin to learn:
>>2720793

>>2762095

Because they are chronically white and situated in mostly white small suburbs, small towns, and regions entirely assimilated into Americanism, the kind of places that breed a deep fear of the very different urban culture of the United States. There are also whites, conservative Blacks, Latinos, and others who view themselves as beacons of an “old world” standing against these hostile cities from small pockets and social formations from within, but they are openly conservative or reactionary. The “communists” in question come from that same world, that same sphere. They are isolated from the actual left, passing their days in Midwestern cul‑de‑sacs, chronically online. They live in places where the white American settler dream was once within reach, and they simply want it back.

These are not the left that was physically assaulted and killed by the state or reactionary forces, nor the left that fought back against reactionary slime and pigs. They wear communist aesthetics while denouncing national liberation struggle theory and ironically, sometimes quietly cherishing American civilization. They decry anyone who would expose the illusion of that civilization, because they were part of it and enjoyed its benefits for a time. They denounce the energies that have a taste for resistance, energies that often arise from places far more economically destitute, from people who hold no favorable opinion of American civilization. What these self‑styled communists yearn for is a shimmering Midwestern industrial economy, a dream no different from the spook MAGA invokes. A good chunk of American Marxist‑Leninists are simply the Amerikkkan version of NazBols.

>>Being White is now a pathology

You people genuinely think “white” is an ethnic group or a race, rather than a social construct forged by the class system of Western capitalism. Read something written outside Europe. Read something by someone who isn’t an old, dead European Marxist or anarchist. It might help you see beyond the limits of your euro-central orthodoxy.

>>2762850
>>Is monoculture not a goal of leftism? or is it only when White people do it?

What?

>>2762087
Been on the Evola Pill for a minute in more ways than one - but very Based analysis.

>>2762819
>All peoples and nations will lose their prejudices through class struggle, seeing their interests shared with the workers of the world.
This hasn't ever been achieved anymore than any White Power movement in the United States has succeeding in getting closer to a Fourth Reich. Every single Communist country has been almost entirely homogenous in every way - it was Russian imperialism upon Eastern European countries that made them hate Communism far more than anything Communism itself did or whether or not it was being practiced correctly.
>there will be changes in the culture of this socialist society, forming a socialist culture in all ethnicities and peoples of the workers.
Yeah that's not gonna happen for people with a healthy relationship with their own identity - nobody wants to be a Kalergite Bugman in the Global Communist Crusade.
>raising children will be guaranteed by the entire society
>giving workers paternity and maternity rights
>Community, lesire and cultural activities will be guaranteed, allowing them to develop without the interests of profit or submission to capitalists, clergy, aristocrats or any puppets of the owning classes.
What culture? You're gonna end up destroying it and replacing it with something artificial in it's place by the bayonet. Somehow this was also not OK when the British Empire or any other Western European Empire did it… but now it's really swag for Commies to?
>the population's behavior will improve, providing access to free time,
To do what? You are removing anything that gives life a higher meaning and imposing a vulgar materialistic outlook.

>muh identity muh culture muh fee fees
just ban this jewish nigger already im tired his whining

>>2762851
This may come to shock you but in the real world where politics aren't abstracts with a few exceptions
>like the kind of people who are usually in these corners of the internet
most people pick the team that gives them the best slice of the pie.
In the real world that's how people make political determinations, not usually based on some lofty ideals or deep personal convictions. Those people are very rare who in a choice between one banana or two pick the one banana out of some moral compunction that taking two of them is wrong.
So, yeah; people who have no reason to hate the United States of America or wish to destroy their entire cultural history in the favor of becoming Commie Borg Collective probably won't be for that when they have no negative attitudes towards it or history.

>>2762859
This might shock you but a good many Founding Fathers would not be in favor of Capitalism.

>>2764329
For what? Love to know what rule I broke.

>>2764341
the implicit rule of not being a dumb frogposter

>>2764351
Pepe & Pepo make me laugh and that's not liable to change any time soon.

>>2764326
>This hasn't ever been achieved anymore than any White Power movement in the United States has succeeding in getting closer to a Fourth Reich. Every single Communist country has been almost entirely homogenous in every way - it was Russian imperialism upon Eastern European countries that made them hate Communism far more than anything Communism itself did or whether or not it was being practiced correctly.

Big joke, all communist revolutions were not homogeneous with communists of various races, contrary to the fantasy you have in your head. You don't understand what imperialist capitalism is; read "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism" about the dominance of finance capital as inevitable in the competition and accumulation of capital. All bourgeois states will be overthrown, the supremacy of the proletariat will be established, and any counter-revolutionary, reformist, liberal, and reactionary will be re-educated and punished for denying the new ruling class. Your opinion, apologists of the bourgeoisie and tradition, means nothing to me and will be crushed. I don't value sentimentality and nostalgia from lackeys of finance capital who will eventually be discarded by the bourgeoisie.

>Yeah that's not gonna happen for people with a healthy relationship with their own identity - nobody wants to be a Kalergite Bugman in the Global Communist Crusade.

Wrong, workers will form socialist culture without chauvinism or reactionary influence, without private property and social classes to feed false consciousness. This will be done in a socialist economy without profit.

>What culture? You're gonna end up destroying it and replacing it with something artificial in it's place by the bayonet. Somehow this was also not OK when the British Empire or any other Western European Empire did it… but now it's really swag for Commies to?

The socialist culture that will exist in socialist society and will form within it without the exploitation of man by man, acting and organizing collectively according to the economic plan to meet the needs of the workers. The British Empire initially served the interests of its ruling class, the aristocracy, and eventually the bourgeoisie, to accumulate capital. If you had read the text "The State and Revolution," you would understand that the state is an instrument for one class to oppress another, arising from the irreconcilability of social classes in a class society. I have no reason to value the whining of reactionaries fantasizing about a past that has already been destroyed and that does not serve the supremacy of the proletariat.
>To do what? You are removing anything that gives life a higher meaning and imposing a vulgar materialistic outlook.

Wrong. Art, leisure, and human creativity will develop better without the logic of profit, through the use of popular workers' councils offering theater, entertainment, and community in solidarity with the workers of the world, and without chauvinism.

>>2764326
If you're too lazy to read, then I'll leave you with a quote from Lenin about what imperialist capitalism is:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, 1916, VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

Proletarian internationalism is a duty, no matter what you complain about, and all bourgeois states will be overthrown for the supremacy of the proletariat, no matter your opinion or your outrage.

>>2765362
I am actually starting to see some of your points about socialist culture et al. A lot of what passes for culture is actually foisted on us by Pedophilic Capitalists as PsyOps. It's inorganic and forced brain-washing, it's not actual real folk culture. Sort've what this person above >>2720829
if that makes sense. I am starting to see the light on some of these issues through reading and thought. But a lot of what I see is that especially for American Whites there's no pleasing Lefties. They just have this intrinsic Hate-Boner for us that is impossible to get around.
It reminds me of the very, very early days of the Alt-Right where everyone who wasn't significantly German enough in attitude couldn't be on their team. The Alt-Right eventually beat these people in the head and told them to shut the fuck up, because nursing a historionic revenge-fantasy was getting in the way of actually putting ideology into practice and accomplishing a goal.
The Left really doesn't seem to have that figured out and it is honestly one Hell of a fucking hill to get over for me.
Frankly I don't think no matter what I do I'm ever going to be decent enough for anyone in any of these circles and I'm not exactly trying to jump into direct association with anything, anyway.
Honestly I don't think I all-the-way agree with everything in Leftism anymore than I did with everything in the Right-wing. I think many people in the Left, just certain real-life issues fly right the fuck over their heads.
These people probably think Zhukov should've been never allowed to be in authority within the Red Army because one time at some point in his life he fought for the White Russians and the Tsars before that. Utter brain-dead wing-cuck thinking that's never going to create anything.

>>2770061
if you want to know about the abolition of the volk, i would suggest alain de benoist's "beyond human rights" (2011) which explores the legal creation of the abstract "individual". The universal reign of human rights comes in 1789 with the revolutionary "Declaration…" which is concurrent with nationalism, an absolutist construct. Volkdom and nationalism are thus also at odds, as I explain here:
>>2761062
"National Anarchism" as a reactionary movement also sees that the concept of individuality is harmful to the order of communities, and thus, a community's collective rights should have primacy (in modern jurisprudence, there is no such thing as "collective" rights of peoples, but only of individuals). So in each case, we see how law is the instrument of political action. Marx also sees that the individual is a construction of social, not natural relations; namely, the division of labour. Marx further attributes individuality to the modern wage worker, since their economic relations are based upon voluntary contraction. So then, individualism progresses as capitalism progresses, which by 1848, Marx had claimed, had already destroyed traditional custom and the institution of the family (with original reference to Thomas Carlyle's "cash nexus"). Thus, it is sufficient to claim that money as a universal abstraction, is the source of destabilisation - Aristotle calls barter "natural" and money "unnatural". The Bible calls money the "mark of the beast", and the love of money "the root of all evil".

>>2770136
Thanks for the book reccommendation. What's that flag you've got there?
I am something of a voluntaryist probably still. I'm no against collectives, but they have to be built I believe on something tangible and not forced from the top-down.
But either way, I like your takes. Thanks!

>>2770191
its the national anarchist flag:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National-anarchism
alain de benoist is also known as one of the pioneers of the "european new right" starting in the 70s, and he is the basic teacher of alexander dugin, as dugin writes in the introduction to the "fourth political theory" (2009). benoist is also known for defending a traditional and occidental form of direct democracy against "representative" government or monarchy. what is "liberal" to him is therefore confused between the democratic, since liberalism presupposes representation, and thus oligarchic guardianship over the popular democracy. theories of "true" democracy are always contentious, of course (we must also remember that universal suffrage is a 20th century concept and never existed before this, since not all citizens were enfranchised as part of the "demos").