Going out on a real limb here and being genuine.
I've got a really long history I'm not gonna Dear Diary about, but I've been around a bit.
Even though I was part of various groups that are Alt-Right I have always had various Left-of-Center beliefs. I felt like I was the only one that understood the
>socialist
aspects of various camps for a while.
Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
>and I've been to prison so I have a wide berth of experience with shit people
and I want off the fucking ride.
I can't say I don't believe in some
>"Right-of-Center"
things and I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
I actually have read lots of Leftist literature like Marx and Engels and a few others. Maybe they aren't really
>Leftist
but I guess maybe it goes in that direction, more like, "cLaSsIcAl LiBeRaLiSm" idk.
My life has changed in the last few years. I'm disconnected from everything. I want to just move on from these losers. I hate to say it but if they were the people they LARP'd as I like to think I'd still be one of them.
But they're not; they're all dogshit losers.
I've always had this, "Fly-on-the-Wall," thing where I can float around places and get along. I like sincerity, I like conviction. I don't necessarily care how crazy it is sometimes, just be real - be honest. I've had lots of Leftist friends and eventually many of my beliefs have cost me them. At the same time almost none of my
>"Right-Wing"
friends have stuck around.
I think this has all be a rambling mess
Hopefully I get a good conversation out of this. I guess I'm looking for direction, someone with a similar story.
52 posts and 11 image replies omitted.>>2720579>Southern NationalismAre you a fed? Southern Nationalism is liberal
>>2725462palpatine was a fascist, thoughbeit
>>2724710Doesn't Marx somewhere in Capital say that most of the bourgeoisie are just the by-products of a sytem they didn't choose and were born into, just like the proletariat?
I seem to recall that line somewhere.
>>2725888Why not just be independent? I'm a communist adjacent independent. You don't have to join a club or look for a new label. Nobody on either side these days has read the Federalists or Anti-Federalists or cares about the Constitution. I don't understand what made you want to belong to the right but at least it's good you want to break free, but you're going to have to sort this shit yourself.
Hung around the right and their whole personality is just racism and heil hitler. Only reason why I was drawn to it was because of the memes they make.
>>2720883>>2720891>>2724641Nationalism was born from liberalism itself, with the bourgeoisie forming national markets to destroy local cultures. Nationalist ideology was born by destroying the very local cultures of the internal peoples within a country, constructing an invented abstraction for the bourgeoisie to create the modern state.
Traditionalism offers nothing but being a useful idiot for finance capital, to then be discarded. All the nostalgia you feel is merely a refusal to see the development of current financial capitalism as the inevitable result of the decline in capitalist profit rates, which cannot be prevented. The past you fantasize about or wish to return to does not exist and never existed. You should stop clinging to illusions of seeing other workers as competition, believing in the discourse that Marx debunked in "Value, Price and Profit"—myths such as the struggle for higher workers' wages causing inflation—when the truth depends on the class struggle of workers in solidarity with one another as a class, and not abandoning another group of workers to be exploited more intensively by the capitalist.
Any separatism you fantasize about in the southern United States is not possible because the entire southern economy is integrated with financialized capitalist imperialism, and there is no national or regional bourgeoisie to carry out this type of separation.
All third-position groups were born from gangs and paramilitary groups that attacked workers with the police who organized against the interests of their bosses (hence the emergence of the Red Guard for the self-defense of these workers and their communities against the bourgeoisie and their henchmen). The very concepts of neoliberalism in current states have embryonic origins in privatizations (such as the privatization of German workers' pensions by private entities for speculation), the flexibilization of labor laws, and the purchase of bank dividends, which were carried out by third-position parties as a prototype of neoliberalism.
Everyone should serve only the supremacy of the proletariat to socialize the economy in solidarity with the workers of the world; otherwise, you are merely a lackey of financial capitalism, deluding yourself with fantasies only to be discarded, as is the fate of reactionaries. The only culture that should exist will be that of a socialist economy within an economy of economic sovereignty. Your feelings are irrelevant.
>>2725881Empathy is irrelevant. You must follow the class interest to serve the political domination of the proletariat in solidarity with the workers of the world, to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat, abolish private property, abolish market competition—that is, abolish the anarchy of production—abolish exploitative social classes such as capitalists, speculators, and landowners, and make it impossible for the petty bourgeoisie to exist so that the economy can be collectively planned without following the logic of profit.
>>2720579
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest exampleLeague of the South?
I was too.
I ain't much of anything anymore because, as others have warned, anything you find on the left is every bit as fucked up as anything you'll find among Michael Hill's goons. Suburban kids, sexual deviants, and fentheads sitting around pretending they're black panthers. I was an Occupy Anarchist before I was a Southnat, and the Left has only gotten worse since those days.
I'm not much of anything anymore. At the end of the day, I just don't think most of the problems facing mankind have solutions. I guess I'm sitting with Jackson Hinkel and rooting for the Iranians, but even that's less a matter of conviction and more me hoping to see a System I hate bleed.
I could have been a good Hinklist, I think, but it's been very hard to take him seriously ever since Russia's quagmire and Assad's ouster. And I don't have as much hope as I want to for Iran. MAGA communism/internationism/third-worldism just feels like a cruel scam intended to give ZOG an excuse to kill brown people.
On that point, I don't think I can ever give up the idea that:
- There's a Government, it governs in the manner of a hostile Occupation, and it's largely Zionist. A Government Occupied by Zionists or GOZ, if you will.
- From usury to pornography to war profiteering to (what sure as hell look like) ritual child sacrifice, GOZ is involved in and perpetuates pretty much everything in the world that might have traditionally been defined as "evil."
- The GOZ seems hellbent on controlling practically every aspect of every country in the advanced portions of the world, and is rapidly coming to dominate what little remains outside.
- GOZ longs for a day when most people who think, act, and yes LOOK like me no longer exist. It despises my culture, my worldview, and my bloodline and it wants to destroy it.
Give me a leftist movement that's willing to concede that Jews are fundamentally different from whites (blacknats get this wrong), that they really do pretty much control the world, and that their global control apparatus needs to be dismantled for the good of the white race and indeed the good of all races, including those not-elite Jews whom they so often sacrifice in their power plays (i.e. most of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust or October 7). Give me that and maybe tone down the feminism and gayness and I will HAPPILY accept a union job, free healthcare, and environmentalism.
I wouldn't even care that much about immigration under this condition, since dismantling globalized neoliberal capitalism and the exploitation of the Global South would lead to less economic pressure towards the imperial cores.
As HP Lovecraft realized before he died, a lot of our problems could be at least as easily solved through socialism as they could be through aristocracy.
>>2729311>>Any separatism you fantasize about in the southern United States is not possible because the entire southern economy is integrated with financialized capitalist imperialism, and there is no national or regional bourgeoisie to carry out this type of separation.In my anarcho (and before that, lolbertarian) days, I imagined that as the empire collapsed the South would be abandoned by Yankeedom and becoming a land of hardy Jeffersonian farmer-survivalist types. In hindsight, this seems unlikely. More realistic is that someone after Trump would pull a Constantine and pull an Eastern Roman Empire in Atlanta. Southeastern Roman Empire.
I did eventually grow up an put away childish things. Dixie's never going to fight ZOG. Dixie IS ZOG. Rothschilds funded the Confederacy, and you can't fling a dead cat down here without hitting a Mason's Hall.
I think there might actually be some merit to the idea of anti-Fed Southern seperatism that isn't directly tied to the Old Confederacy.
>>2732816I relate to this, so hard.
Best Wishes, Anon.
>>2720883I mean, you don't gotta disown shit. Just recognize that if you work, you should rightfully own the fruits of that work - and not a penny more.
Remember that you have more in common with a factory worker in India than you do with the rich asshole that lives in a plantation home thirty miles away.
you're weak and we don't want you. stay on the right where you belong, coward
>>2747361>Anti-White or Westernwestern civilization = class society = the state
conservatives use the term "western civilization" to whitewash the exploitation and opppresion of those in the lower levels on class society by the tiny minority on top
being an anarchist is being against the state in all its forms, if you become one and actually do anarchist things you will eventually start being called anti-west or anti-white, if this doesn't happen its because you just kept living in a way that doesnt oppose the state and therfor you were not really an anarchist and just a liberal with radical aesthetics (most anarchists in our times are like this)
so its seems your "leaving the right" path currently is just moving towards becoming a nafoid of some sort so you are not leaving the right at all
i suggest you keep reading the stuff on the sticky
>>2747369I don't think of Western Civilization in that way, though. I see it as more of a historic and cultural shared experience and outlook. Maybe more of a canon of sorts? Maybe that's just me being White. I don't possess any fondness for really for imperialism or animosity towards oppressed people, globally. It just sorta routinely feels like no one cares about me and mine, at all, even though we have been trampled by the same system.
>>2747381>I don't think of Western Civilization in that way, thoughregardless of all the "good" things it has created, at its base there has always been the oppresion and exploitation of the many by the few by the means of the state, thats the material base of it
thats why I'm telling you being an anarchist is antithetical to any feelings of needing to protect this
what you call "western civilization" is currently just producing genocide and ecocide, its past its expiration date, it needs to be overcome
>It just sorta routinely feels like no one cares about me and mineyou have a roof, internet, most likely food and water, meanwhile palestinians are getting genocided by the "western civilization" you care about so fondly, if you think no one cares about you imagine how they must feel
stop being so short sighted
>>2747385>using an actual Nativist Gangster as an own to someone like me with my political historyIs this an example of, "Left Can't Meme?"
>>2747388>regardless of all the "good" things it has created, at its base there has always been the oppression and exploitation of the many by the few by the means of the state, thats the material base of itDo show me one large, centralized civilization of any kind that is on the scale of the West that wasn't exactly the same.
>"Man is born free, but everywhere he is placed in chains.">thats why I'm telling you being an anarchist is antithetical to any feelings of needing to protect thisI don't really care to try because I'm not personally going to stick my neck out for a romantic idea not shared by people with the same heritage as me which only serves to keep us distracted by D&C culture wars.
But that being said I don't see how being some sort of rootless vagabond makes me less exploitable by Capitalism, vis-a-vis my own identity.
>laying palestinian genocide at my feetI've been Anti-Zionist since I was old enough to have a political opinion and leave the Jewvangelical Plantation, so I don't get putting this at my feet. I don't oppose their struggle like at all but I'm not gonna pretend Third Worldists wanna do anything but fucking kill me and take my shit.
>>2747389The quote applies. If a "nativist gangster" says 1+1=2 I won't disagree. Be less emotional and more scientific. your individual desires and moral conundrums about theoretically "wanting" to do something don't matter. Class society produces undisciplined class struggle. Undisciplined class struggle produces failure after failure. These failures create revolutionary theory which results in organized class struggle. Organized class struggle also results in failure but continues to refine theory and practice until success results. These are collective, historical, material forces. Your moral conundrums literally couldn't be less relevant. Rightoids come here expecting a program of conversion and forgiveness tailored to their individual brainworms.
It's impossible to take any "alt-right" person seriously. Especially since the whole ideology was created part and parcel by Jeffry Epstein.
Anyone who was Q is a liability considering how easily they fall for propaganda
>>2747392I'm sorry, who are any of you to me that I need your absolution?
Frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by the information and dialogue I've received.
Unlike most Rightoids I actually fucking read. I have a decent political science background already - or am I asking too much to speak to someone who is also reasonably literate and experienced? Thankfully, it doesn't seem like aside from the odd troll I was asking that much.
>>2747391>Do show me one large, centralized civilization of any kind that is on the scale of the West that wasn't exactly the same.there isn't, thats why marxists and anarchists don't give a damn about this clash of civilizations drivel, its you guys that pretend western civilization is the wholesome chungus one and that everything else is le bad
>I don't really care to try Try what? I don't understand what you are saying
>Third WorldistsWho are these guys? Show me one "third worldist" political party.
>>2747395None of you I think actually now the history of 4chan if you actually believe the Alt-Right or /pol/ was created by Epstein. I was literally there watching Moot sperg at Stormfront edgelords on /news/. /pol/ was going to happen and odds are he met Epstein to get him to finance Canvas.
Also the Alt-Right was about as broad as the Alt-Left, if I may call it that. So to suggest that I was into Qanon is just a bit of a rough assumption on your part.
>>2720579Have you considered leaving /leftypol/ and fucking off back to reddit? This could be a solution for all your problems.
>>2747398I care about my own culture and heritage. Is that some kind of a problem if it motivates me to do the right thing? I have never believed or acted like Western Civilization was a spotless lamb, but since I just came from a place full of them I'm not gonna LARP as something I'm not either and try to transplant myself into an identity about as alien to me as Uranus.
>>2747405>I care about my own culture and heritage.You can care about whatever you want, but the world changes no matter how much you try to hold to the past.
>Is that some kind of a problem if it motivates me to do the right thing?Whats the right thing?
>LARP as something I'm not either and try to transplant myself into an identity about as alien to me as Uranus.And who is asking you to do this? No one cares about your identity, there are bigger issues (capitalism).
>>2747409but you actually would fit pretty well in r/NAFO
>>2747361>Just leave me and mine alone and let us figure out what we want for ourselvesthe fact you still dont understand you cant just say "fuck you I got mine" and live in autarky means your rightoid brainworms might have done permanent damage. You cry about a lack of community and empathy while being an egocentric narcissistic asshole.
>>2747405>I care about my own culture and heritagecommunists are infinitely better at preserving whats valuable in these things (cool cultural clothes, holidays, music, good food, language) than the retarded conservatives who fetishize a nonexistent past while selling off everything and importing the globalized mercantilist culture
>>2747414>the world changesProgress is not always synonymous with improvement.
>Whats the right thing?IDK, as a SouthNat I'm kind of tired of watching Southerners
>of both races of the traditional make-up of the Southall be treated like shit and divided. It has been really unsettling in my life in my general political journey to watch us, "grow out," of the past conflicts and then see them all come back. Meanwhile Capitalists continue to plunder us, poison our natural resources and treat us all like slaves all while cheapening and commercializing our identity and culture.
>>2747495It's more like I've been burned in my life enough relying on other people to not be foolish enough to keep doing so or signing on for something that just exploits me in the end and doesn't actually give a fuck about me.
>You cry about a lack of community and empathyBecause there isn't one? What am I supposed to do about that? You say I'm the narcissistic egocentric asshole, you been outside lately? I've seen plenty of Leftist frustrations with organizing, don't act like I'm the first person to discover this problem. I'm just dealing with it. I'm one person. Maybe I'll get proven wrong one day about the general state of things but I don't see any unity to be found much of anywhere. Late Stage Capitalism has done an absolute motherfucker on our collaborative capabilities - I can't deprogram everyone.
>>2747501Frankly I'm starting to feel this way about Communists.
>fetishize a nonexistent pastCommunist countries also often rewrite their own history to fit with a Marxist interpretation, so I'm really not sure how people choose to relate to and interpret their heritage in odd ways is uniquely a conservative thing.
>selling off everything and importing the globalized mercantilist cultureAs someone with Jeffersonian, Agrarian and Anti-Federalist sentiments I really have seen and experienced this a lot and noticed it from a young age.
>>2747401What is the alt-left? As in communists, the actual left, and not democrats?
Also, yeah. The ideas were created for you and you were propagandized to believe them. The only ideology is ruling class ideology and Epstein was a mover and shaker in that class, and created the alt-right movement wholecloth. He probably made sure it would be antisemitic to double down on the cognitive dissonance of the deplorable chud base of the alt-right.
>>2747674>communists, the actual left, and not democrats?Yes. But it sure seems like you guys are always ready to act for Democrats. To be fair, the Alt-Right has had the same problematic relationship with Republicans.
If you really actually think Epstein created the Alt-Right, wholecloth, you are a fool who wasn't there on the inside. But I have no interest in defending these people - it's not the purpose of my thread - but I will say the assertion is patently false.
>>2747626>Progress is not always synonymous with improvement.I never mentioned progress, I just said things change, this is inevitable, and between us I don't really believe there is such a thing as "progress" in the sense most leftists use it, but this doesn't mean holding to stuff from the old world that will inevitably stop existing makes sense, reactionaries think change is something thats being imposed to them from the outside when is actually just a consequences of our existence being inseparable from what we call time
>>2756096something something useful idiots
>>2756129But they're not useful. They're the reason over half of working class White Americans who overwhelmingly value their way of life and their religion want nothing to do with you. At minimum, these people want our total extermination and our wealth and property to be distributed at our expense. At bare minimum they want our total political disenfranchisement and our entire lives to be turned into a daily humiliation ritual.
Why would they ever consider anyone Left-of-Center when these are the people they tolerate and endorse?
>>2756096>>2756313You're still internalizing a lot of bullshit ideas. If you want to actually leave the right you have to let go of them.
>>2756332Let go of what - my grasp on reality? Let go of a lived experience in politics?
The Woke Left is nothing short of trying to create South Africa II or Global Zimbabwe, no matter how destructive it will be - even for them.
Anti-White and inorganic LGBT+ Radicalism must be distanced entirely from the Modern Left. The Left also needs to remember, again, that being a patriot for your actual blood-and-soil and not some abstract bourgeoisie(SP?) identity isn't antithetical to communism.
But the good news is you'll probably successfully exterminate White people in America at this point before the Left does something about this. So hey, I guess Epstein's PsyOps are gonna work after all.
It was also by-the-by a lived experience I had to reflect on that made me give up my own racist and/or intrinsically anti-LGBT+ ideas that made me eventually decide I wasn't gonna stay with the Right anyway. But hey, just keep feeding the D&C because it feels good I guess. There would be no Alt-Right without the SJWs, just remember that.
>>2756484uygha you need to touch grass. Unironically. Stop being hysterical
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