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Going out on a real limb here and being genuine.
I've got a really long history I'm not gonna Dear Diary about, but I've been around a bit.
Even though I was part of various groups that are Alt-Right I have always had various Left-of-Center beliefs. I felt like I was the only one that understood the
>socialist
aspects of various camps for a while.
Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
>and I've been to prison so I have a wide berth of experience with shit people
and I want off the fucking ride.
I can't say I don't believe in some
>"Right-of-Center"
things and I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
I actually have read lots of Leftist literature like Marx and Engels and a few others. Maybe they aren't really
>Leftist
but I guess maybe it goes in that direction, more like, "cLaSsIcAl LiBeRaLiSm" idk.
My life has changed in the last few years. I'm disconnected from everything. I want to just move on from these losers. I hate to say it but if they were the people they LARP'd as I like to think I'd still be one of them.
But they're not; they're all dogshit losers.
I've always had this, "Fly-on-the-Wall," thing where I can float around places and get along. I like sincerity, I like conviction. I don't necessarily care how crazy it is sometimes, just be real - be honest. I've had lots of Leftist friends and eventually many of my beliefs have cost me them. At the same time almost none of my
>"Right-Wing"
friends have stuck around.
I think this has all be a rambling mess
Hopefully I get a good conversation out of this. I guess I'm looking for direction, someone with a similar story.

Very happy to help you on your journey but gonna warn you
>Just generally after 18-something years, I'm tired of this crap. These are some of the most useless, in-fighting, bought-out, dogshit people I have ever dealt with
We have plenty of those too. They mostly self-select by hjoining Trotskyist parties but still.

>>2720579
>I feel like they're hard-coded and baked into me. Some aspects I don't fully buy into, but I don't feel like walking away from because I don't necessarily feel like they are not incompatible to me with various aspects of Leftism.
I think that's pretty common. Your cultural background also shapes you, and that's there, and at the same time you can also make up your own mind and think for yourself. Also, in reality, the left is a relative term. It's actually rare in history for organized political movements to be left in every aspect. You can't divide society that clearly into a left and right either, insofar that many people can have a leftist attitude towards one thing while having a rightist attitude towards another thing and those things can even be linked in contradictory ways. It all seems hopelessly confused but people treating each other with mutual respect (basis of solidarity) couldn't hurt.

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>>2720591
Believe me, I know. Like I said I've floated a fair amount. I've heard all the smears about
>Rainbow Communism
>Trotskyites
>Third-Worldists
>Soviets Aren't REAL Commies
>Leninists aren't REAL Commies
on and on and on and on, dude.
But I had a sticking conversation as an older guy I was more receptive to. At the same time I don't feel like getting fucking books thrown at me; I've read enough.
Lemme tell you: having a background in Reactionary TradCat Monarchism and reading Kapital and seeing Marx go
>"Yeah it's the Protestants who ruined everything, Catholic Christendom had a Based economic system"
caused me to put the book down and just stare at a wall for a while while I contemplated how many lies I'd been told.
Hate to say it to y'all but I had the same reaction when I read, "Mein Kampf," the first time.
Like I said I know I am pushing against some hard boundaries here but I got shit-else to do today and I didn't even know this was a real site. So I figured I'd ask what they thought.
I think my biggest thing is it seems like Leftists are serious about what they believe more generally than Rightoids. Rightoids have been All Hat, No Cattle my whole life. I'm sick of being hurt, risking jail and isolating myself and feeling like no one actually believes in it as much as I do.
Blame the Autism ig, I don't know how to be fake.
lmao

>>2720579
Welcome to this psychiatric hospital.
If you are worried about sectarianism, I'm afraid there's no other political movement - or any kind of movement in the whole history of the world, for what matters - more plagued by sectarianism than socialism/communism/whatever you want to call it.
That said, there's a huge supply of dogshit people. I guess I could tell you about a few national leaders of a construction workers' trade union I worked with and especially one of them was such an unhinged malignant narcissists - and everyone run cover for him - that I had to quit that fucking job at the hq after just a month. Aside from the fact they suck money from workers and sell them out, yet you see many functionaries having portraits of Marx in their offices. I must confess that for a time after the experience I thought I would have abandoned any leftist idea, but after a while I felt even more radicalised. In fact I got what someone meant when they said "social democracy is the left wing of fascism".

>>2720614
Last Lefty friend I lost kinda ran me against a wall textually over me being a Southern Nationalist. At the end of the day I'm kind of Anarchistic, maybe in the Paine sort of way? Maybe that makes sense. I think Anti-Federalism always had this sort of thing in it.
At the same time like Rousseau I accept nations create governments, not the other way around. Strong hands are needed and other times people really can be left alone to manage themselves. I have always felt like the latter.
Although granted I was in very Authoritarian movements, the thing I noticed as an American is that
>gee it seems like nobody in this movement would ever follow Fuhrerprinzip because they always assume they will be the one in charge
sorta like how all Tankies think they'll be a Commissar.
Anyway, I'd just rather have conversations and dialogue and figure shit out that way. I've lurked for about 2 days, gonna keep on besides this here thread. Hope maybe I'll bump into people who wanna talk or someone who has a similar backstory.

>>2720638
As I said above, yeah I've seen it all. At least the Left is honest about division. The Right acts monolithic, inside and outside of clubhouses.
>Aside from the fact they suck money from workers and sell them out, yet you see many functionaries having portraits of Marx in their offices
Dude, the stories I could tell that would get me banned on similar shit in the Far Right. It's one reason I left. I got tired of fakes, phonies, degens and imposters. Just serial fucking grifters all the way around. In years of Street Action I think behind closed doors I have fought more of my own team than anyone on the opposing side because that's just how it goes.
Sick of being this outlier. Sick of feeling like it's all just a scam.

>>2720579
>I want to leave the right
honest question, what's stopping you?

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>>2720654
Maybe I already have. Maybe it's a lack of anywhere else to go. Maybe it's not wanting to betray things I still believe. Maybe it's just been a part of me so long I'm not sure what lies beyond. Maybe I've kind of accepted being adrift, but I can still remember the optimism of being a young Alt-Righter and really thinking we were about to do something and good things were coming for my people.
Maybe it was watching people all run behind Trump that was the real beginning. Maybe it was only now that I've truly realized I don't belong here anymore. Maybe it's being disillusioned by the lifestyle and value-sets they all offer turning out to be worthless - mostly because of how Capitalism has completely fucking destroyed moral human society and no amount of running off innawoods with your internet-acquired TradWife is gonna solve anything.
Call it an attention-grabber title, but it's my feeling.

>>2720579
>Southern Nationalism probably being the biggest example
>A few religious beliefs
Latter is fine. Former is a question are you a culturalist (A respect for the traditional [white] culture of the American South) or are you gonna Lost Cause us? Lost Causerism (and a general rejection of the righteous fight to end slavery) is just not gonna fly. For the former of these two, would be worth reading into groups like the Young Patriots, Redneck Revolt, and even just generally into the Southern Traditional Culture revitalisation movement. I mean Pete Seeger et al. are well known but you have the likes of the Windborne Singers today keeping the flame alive.

>>2720660
if you understand that capitalism is the root of most problems, you're already further left than 90% of western "leftists", who prioritize idpol over class. I think you just need to find leftist friends who are OK with being edgy sometimes. maybe look into what the ACP is up to? they have chapters across the states and are unapologetically pro american.

>>2720617
>I think my biggest thing is it seems like Leftists are serious about what they believe more generally than Rightoids. Rightoids have been All Hat, No Cattle my whole life.
I think the left is defined by its ideas more than the right, which is mainly after power, and is defined more by their tactics and whatever they have on hand to dominate the immediate situation. This in a way their strength. There are communists, leftists etc. who I don't think are really leftists, or they might be and then mutate into a new kind of right as a result of some kind of historical transformation, but the left as a "normal" social phenomenon which exists (as normal as the right) really isn't afraid of being in the minority like the right is, or admitting its not strong enough (which might just be a fact) to assume leadership of a mass movement or seize power or whatever it is.

At least it seems that way to me. The left has a lot of problems but they are more tactical problems, like doing something stupid which backfires, but I think for the left to be the left really comes down to its underlying ideas more than for the right. The left also has to make tactical adjustments but needs to be self-aware that it's being tactical rather than upholding those tactical maneuverings as a matter of principle, because then it will find itself abandoning those ideas, and then it would cease to be the left. But the right can abandon whatever ideas it's using in the moment and it doesn't have a problem with this provided they're in power and can put a boot up your ass.

One skill of the left can also be to have the mental tools and skills on hand to force the right to reveal itself for what it is. That's often the case in international politics, like wars of aggression. Like rightists talking about peace, but the right loves to talk about peace because it's much easier to go and conquer somebody's ass if they're not willing to fight back.

>>2720641
>At the end of the day I'm kind of Anarchistic, maybe in the Paine sort of way?
There was a whole trend of American individualist anarchism in the 19th century that is pretty interesting. Thoreau. Lysander Spooner. Josiah Warren (video about him). Very American and anti-statist.

>sorta like how all Tankies think they'll be a Commissar.

Yeah like the hangman.

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>>2720661
Oh boy, here comes the tough part for us all.
>Latter is fine
In what way? I have never in my life met a Leftist who wasn't an ironic 13 year-old that somehow made anything Marxist-rooted jive with Traditional Catholicism for example. Fuck I even think the religion now is kind of a bad joke - it doesn't serve the function of a religion, not in public life. It's a scattered mess and I no longer care enough to drive multiple hours to attend one community once a week. Been burned too much, but I can't deny what works for me spiritually.
>are you a culturalist
I mean I think racial biology is kinda undeniable. I've lived it. I've watched how our declining place and a loss of our traditional values has not only opened us to Capitalists (carpetbaggers) but also the general degeneration of our quality of life.
I know the ugly sides of Labor history in the US, how Freedmen and immigrants have been used to totally cripple White Labor Movements especially in the South. Not once am I aware of any of them not deciding maybe we'd both be fine together if we learned to cooperate. Whites seem capable of that, but not Nons.
I do genuinely believe my people had as much right as anyone else to take up arms for a cause - that means losing is always on the table. I also don't see how we can preserve our Traditional Culture when Capitalists want to force alien cultures or hostile interpretations of our identity onto us - but that's me.
Which is another thing, BTW. I've never fully bought into strict Racial Nationalism. Every Redneck no matter how bigoted has a Black person or family they would try to keep in the Ethnostate. It's schizophrenic but it's true - if you live here you know that. I think we could work everything out for everyone, but outside agitators and Carpetbaggers thrive on exploiting divides.

>>2720670
See, I don't think you can separate idpol from class. They do intersect but there's always elements of both influencing how people act. Being born in a barn doesn't make one a horse, but you know what I mean.
>ACP
No idea who that is. Also as for the last guy I replied to who said
>Redneck Revolt
>Young Patriots
I watched what amounted to these groups die horrible, screaming deaths thanks to Rainbow Communists deciding they weren't real because they flew the Stars and Bars or dared to like themselves for being White Southerners. I'm honestly unaware of them still existing besides some people who drink together in the Everglades.

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>>2720674
>the Right is mainly after power
Lma-the fuck-o where ??? They have had so many golden chances and talented people come and go and they do fucking absolutely nothing. If they are all about gaining power, goddamn me I've never seen them do it.
>Spooner
I want to like Spooner but I will never, ever, ever understand how someone looks at the Union and says they're Based. Not gonna get it. Centralization and the resulting Federal Government is how we got here. A decentralized confederation is actually by default unable to become this fucking haemonculus we are stuck in.
Say what you want about him, Lee's predictions about what the US would become was right.

>>2720698
>Lma-the fuck-o where ??? They have had so many golden chances and talented people come and go and they do fucking absolutely nothing. If they are all about gaining power, goddamn me I've never seen them do it.
It's an inherently conservative force, man. The point isn't to change conditions, it's just to take what currently exists and make it based or whatever. Or they try to revert to a set of conditions which were once an accomplished fact (but can't realize it). My point is that the right is essentially fraudulent.

just start listening to socialism for all audiobooks

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>>2720709
Then I need someone to explain to me why Revolutionary Right-Wing Movements that don't agree with Bourgeioisie Conservatism never, ever, ever fucking act on that and somehow always end up telling me to vote GOP and I just look at them like this.

no offense but if it took you this long you might be cooked lol good luck hope you leave rightards for good
also ignore the gay nazi flag he is a liberal (reactionary) retard

>>2720687
you can't seperate them, but class should be recognized as more important than identity.
>No idea who that is
american communist party
they're the only american communists who are actually recognized by foreign communist parties

>>2720731
they are dengoids (liberals)

>>2720744
you are glowing

>>2720649
Just to clarify, I have never taken part in organised politics of any kind. Outside shitposting here - and on previous incarnations on 8chan back in 2018 if I recall correctly - as an anon and talking with family about politics, I really never did anything like activism, going to demonstrations, joining groups. I only contemplated joining the labour party when I lived in England and Jeremy Corbyn was elected leader, but I was in a rural area pretty much far from the real action and local politics was dominated by the conservatives there. I was also busy with many different things and in a year or so I left the country for good.
Basically, I got the job at the union just because someone knowing one of their functionaries made my name to him - I wasn't asked beforehand, btw, but I got this call from this relative telling me I had to go and meet this faggot a week later. I couldn't say no and after all I was out of work, so let's try that.
Long story short, their office secretary was about to go in maternity leave a few months later and they were looking for a temporary sub but the idea was to keep the sub as permament if things went good even after the titular got back. But they also had another secretary already on sick leave because she had cancer. Fast forward a couple of months. I start working there. I was told for the first month I would have shadowed the titular secretary. In truth she was there only half of the days, she was an ADHD freak, completely schizo and chaotic in everything she did, everything hated her and basically, as soon as she wasn't around, 99% of people there immediately confided in me "thank god you look so organised! she's such a mess, but you'll surely sort everything out soon!". Unfortunately, she was in the graces of the big boss and basically she survived there for years because she was - let's say - nice with the big boss, who was obviously the only one talking good about her - in fact, he idolised her. The boss was a genuine narcissist, toxic, unhinged and that bitch indulged him systematically for years. They even joked she was her carer. I disliked that because it was clear there was an expectation to indulge the bastard, while I kept to doing my job clinically, professionally, and that's it. Obviously I had to cover for the other sick secretary too, but unfortunately I only got a single pay… Basically I had like fifteen or twenty people in my face every day, from start to finish, demanding me to do every kind of shit, from making coffee, to sort out their travels, payments, having to pretend to listen to their stupid personal gossip when they wanted me to listen, having to take external calls without having been instructed on what to say, organising meeting and events, and everyone had their fucking preferences and way they did things, so I had to go bespoke for every single bullshit. Plus the boss and a couple of other cunts dared to call me and send me messages outside of hours and a couple of times even on a Sunday. And basically I had to improvise everything because no one was capable to explain me even the most basic things, but than I did something and someone had their pet peeves because somewhat there was a correct way to do it and yada yada yada…
One morning, the big cunt - who that day was even off and he was opening his new home out of town, after he bragged he had spent 20000 euros in new furniture - called me and started picking on me for some of his bullshit. He was disrespectful once too much. I felt a nuclear detonation in my mind. I resigned with immediate effect on the morning. The "hr" guy and this other bigwig in the org basically bullied me into changing my resignation letter because I wrote clearly I was leaving because of the cunt's unacceptable and unhinged behaviour. I just had to say I was leaving for 'personal reasons'. I just wanted out then and there. Fuck them. I'm glad I left them for more than another month without a 'carer' in the middle of a scorching summer. I hope they all get lung cancer and die painfully because they keep smoking expensive cigars pretending they're Fidel, even if labour laws clearly states that workplaces must be smoke free. Btw, the big cunt was smoking 24/7 even in the face of her pregnant secretary.

>>2720747
Stop projecting money man

>>2720765
I have no money, I am a proper commie

>Believe me, I know. Like I said I've floated a fair amount. I've heard all the smears about
>Rainbow Communism
>Trotskyites
>Third-Worldists
>Soviets Aren't REAL Commies
>Leninists aren't REAL Commies
>on and on and on and on, dude.

Of course you would say this

>>2720766
You are a proper liberal tool

Look man, just read "marx for beginners" by Rius and play a full gameplay of Cookie clicker.

Sounds like a joke but its the shortest and absolutely least mentally intensive path to becoming a commie.

>>2720778
The shortest and least mentally taxing way to become a commie is to read the goddamn manifesto. Don’t know why everyone treats it like the plague.

>>2720747
>implying hinkle doesn't turboglow
kek
OP do NOT look up what the ACP president thinks about landlords and then compare it to what Adam Smith said about them

>>2720579
i think its great that you want to improve and grow as a person, honestly i think the left could do a better job with accepting people who actually want to change for the better. that being said its not an overnight process, and these things take time. the things you may think are "hard coded" in to you, are not. it may take a while to unlearn these things but trust me, you can get there. we are not born with the beliefs we hold, we adopt them from the conditions around us. basically, you are not broken.

>>2720579
I'll leave you with a quote from the Communist Manifesto to dispel some confusion and superstitions about the bourgeois state, so you don't cling stubbornly to reactionary or petty-bourgeois socialism instead of scientific socialism (Marxism):

<1. Reactionary Socialism

<A. Feudal Socialism
<Owing to their historical position, it became the vocation of the aristocracies of France and England to write pamphlets against modern bourgeois society. In the French Revolution of July 1830, and in the English reform agitation[A], these aristocracies again succumbed to the hateful upstart. Thenceforth, a serious political struggle was altogether out of the question. A literary battle alone remained possible. But even in the domain of literature the old cries of the restoration period had become impossible.(1)

<In order to arouse sympathy, the aristocracy was obliged to lose sight, apparently, of its own interests, and to formulate their indictment against the bourgeoisie in the interest of the exploited working class alone. Thus, the aristocracy took their revenge by singing lampoons on their new masters and whispering in his ears sinister prophesies of coming catastrophe.


<In this way arose feudal Socialism: half lamentation, half lampoon; half an echo of the past, half menace of the future; at times, by its bitter, witty and incisive criticism, striking the bourgeoisie to the very heart’s core; but always ludicrous in its effect, through total incapacity to comprehend the march of modern history.


<The aristocracy, in order to rally the people to them, waved the proletarian alms-bag in front for a banner. But the people, so often as it joined them, saw on their hindquarters the old feudal coats of arms, and deserted with loud and irreverent laughter.


<One section of the French Legitimists and “Young England” exhibited this spectacle.


<In pointing out that their mode of exploitation was different to that of the bourgeoisie, the feudalists forget that they exploited under circumstances and conditions that were quite different and that are now antiquated. In showing that, under their rule, the modern proletariat never existed, they forget that the modern bourgeoisie is the necessary offspring of their own form of society.


<For the rest, so little do they conceal the reactionary character of their criticism that their chief accusation against the bourgeois amounts to this, that under the bourgeois régime a class is being developed which is destined to cut up root and branch the old order of society.


<What they upbraid the bourgeoisie with is not so much that it creates a proletariat as that it creates a revolutionary proletariat.


<In political practice, therefore, they join in all coercive measures against the working class; and in ordinary life, despite their high-falutin phrases, they stoop to pick up the golden apples dropped from the tree of industry, and to barter truth, love, and honour, for traffic in wool, beetroot-sugar, and potato spirits.(2)


<As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism.


<Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat.


<B. Petty-Bourgeois Socialism

<The feudal aristocracy was not the only class that was ruined by the bourgeoisie, not the only class whose conditions of existence pined and perished in the atmosphere of modern bourgeois society. The medieval burgesses and the small peasant proprietors were the precursors of the modern bourgeoisie. In those countries which are but little developed, industrially and commercially, these two classes still vegetate side by side with the rising bourgeoisie.

<In countries where modern civilisation has become fully developed, a new class of petty bourgeois has been formed, fluctuating between proletariat and bourgeoisie, and ever renewing itself as a supplementary part of bourgeois society. The individual members of this class, however, are being constantly hurled down into the proletariat by the action of competition, and, as modern industry develops, they even see the moment approaching when they will completely disappear as an independent section of modern society, to be replaced in manufactures, agriculture and commerce, by overlookers, bailiffs and shopmen.


<In countries like France, where the peasants constitute far more than half of the population, it was natural that writers who sided with the proletariat against the bourgeoisie should use, in their criticism of the bourgeois régime, the standard of the peasant and petty bourgeois, and from the standpoint of these intermediate classes, should take up the cudgels for the working class. Thus arose petty-bourgeois Socialism. Sismondi was the head of this school, not only in France but also in England.


<This school of Socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects of machinery and division of labour; the concentration of capital and land in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.


<In its positive aims, however, this form of Socialism aspires either to restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of production and of exchange within the framework of the old property relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.


<Its last words are: corporate guilds for manufacture; patriarchal relations in agriculture.


<Ultimately, when stubborn historical facts had dispersed all intoxicating effects of self-deception, this form of Socialism ended in a miserable fit of the blues.


<Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, February 1848, Manifesto of the Communist Party, Chapter III. Socialist and Communist Literature


https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch03.htm

If you're serious about actually understanding Marxism, not the liberalized, toothless version that treats worker co-ops as the end goal, you need to ground yourself in foundational theory, not vague market-friendly nonsense.

Start with Engels for a solid orientation:

"Principles of Communism" lays out the basics in Q&A format: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

"Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" helps contrast real scientific socialism with moralistic daydreams: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf

Before diving into Capital, it's worth getting a grip on Marx’s political economy:

"Value, Price and Profit", dissects surplus value and wages under capitalism: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/value-price-profit.pdf

"Wage Labor and Capital", earlier and simpler, good to pair with the above: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/wage-labour-capital.pdf

To clarify the transition from capitalism to socialism and the current stages of communism (hint: socialism is not “co-ops in a free market in competition”), Marx’s “Critique of the Gotha Programme” is essential: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Critque_of_the_Gotha_Programme.pdf

If Engels' intro texts speak to you, level up with "Anti-Dühring", it covers philosophy, political economy, and socialism in a comprehensive Marxist framework: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/anti_duhring.pdf

A text that is important to read and understand the dictatorship of the proletariat and the Paris Commune, which had its errors that Marx criticized and which served as a lesson for carrying out a successful communist revolution, as was done by the Bolsheviks, based on what was learned in the text called "The Civil War in France." The lesson is the opposite of decentralization, fear of acting, or fear of appropriating banks and controlling them for the sake of the domination of the proletariat for fear of causing chaos:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1871/civil-war-france/

Another text that analyzes the class struggle in France with the 1848 revolution also helps to understand the dictatorship of the proletariat and what happens to the petty bourgeoisie when it considers itself superior to the proletarians, betraying them, not seeing their common interest, and what its reward is for wanting to identify with the bourgeoisie, which is to be discarded by the bourgeoisie. The text is called "The Class Struggles in France, 1848 to 1850" with the link below:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1850/class-struggles-france/

Then there’s Lenin, essential for anyone who doesn’t want to be co-opted by reformists afraid of revolution:

"The State and Revolution", the real Marxist theory of the state and dictatorship of the proletariat: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/

"Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism", explains monopoly capital and financial domination: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

"What Is To Be Done?", revolutionary organization and building a vanguard party: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/

"Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder", a guide to dealing with pseudo-left idealists and opportunists: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/

>>2720793
>>2720579
>Then there’s Lenin, essential for anyone who
wants to be vulnerable to reformists and ultimately fail at a creating a workers party.

Anything from Anton Pannekoek will service you much better, starting with worker councils:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/pannekoe/1947/workers-councils.htm

>>2720772
>>2720785
another day, another group of DSAers upset

>>2720819
>DSSA
miss me with that shit

>>2720683
Fuck I had an effortpost to respond to it but it died.
In short; capitalism has a passive way of degrading traditional culture (enclosing on public space and individual time) and an active one (the culture industry promoting its own commodified culture at the expense of uncommodifyable social culture).
Beyond that you have a lot of despooking to do but I would read into things like the Greenback Party (a multiracial coalition of the working class that was broken by Bourbon Democrats post-reconstruction through the use of racebaiting and segregationism). You will find burgher Marxists who hate traditional culture (usually their own ethnic backgrounds more than others) but the resuscitation of social culture is what will help us liberate ourselves. The South Africans understood this, the Palestinians and Kurds understand this. It's time we learnt it too.

>>2720819
The audacity to say that to someone who suggests worker councils. I have more hatred for them than any sort of hate you can muster in your entire lifespan.

>>2720832
>The audacity
get over yourself infantile

>>2720783
Idk if youve tried to get third world wagies to read that stuff, but I have and they all find the manifesto too difficult. Marx for beginners + just play cookie clicker is where I've found most success.

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>>2720790
I can't unlearn my race or the realities of how that causes me to be perceived. I can't unlearn how I feel about my homeland and my people. I can't unlearn real actual experiences I have had with a spirituality that actually helped me.
Anyone who expects me to just disown my entire ancestry
>which forms all of us, whether we like it or not
is actually deranged and doesn't have a healthy relationship with themselves.

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>>2720829
Yes, I agree with this sentiment.
Democrats could literally get every White Southern vote right now. All it would take is a bit of Dixiecrat and actually doing something for the Working Class instead of people who hate us because we exist and live a certain way.
But that implies I suppose Democrats are really left or want a solution
>nobody does
This is why I'm a Secessionist. It's totally pointless to expect real change in the current Federal system. It can't exist without the MIC and Capitalism and it knows it.

why the fuck are people seriously engaging with this spooked polyp that obviously have some form of brain damage and is just lost in his stupid fucking life because instead of building on empathy and understanding of the world he got high on spiritualism and alt right looser shit


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